BALLS

[merry ruin]

• each made of 4 ships per ring, 8 rings per sphere (32 ships per ball)
• I tried to disable as many collisions as I could but its definitely not all of them and probably not even all of the ones that should be disabled
• as you can see they arent too heavy on the physics(unless they come into contact with one another)

[strong bear]

32 ships??

goddamn

my pc stops on 10 max

[merry ruin]

the smooth variant is the one in the video, the spiky one has shafts on ships which makes disabling collisions slightly easier in case someone wanted to try and optimize the balls even more

[merry ruin]

well, my pc tends to crash too

it actually happened twice as I was bilding the ball

quite a lot of ships

[fleet sun]

nice balls

[merry ruin]

thanks

[summer ruin]

never do this again plis im traumatized

[merry ruin]

wdym?

[reef trellis]

I like your balls

[summer ruin]

this was never meant for minecraft and it has given me brain damage

[summer ruin]

oh

[reef trellis]

[merry ruin]

I think Ill build a bigger one tomorrow

6 ships per ring, 12 rings per sphere, 9 blocks in diameter...

[reef trellis]

Make one of these jp gyrospheres

[merry ruin]

whats that?

I was planning to build a vehicle that would work like the star wars droid

BB8

oh, Jurassic Park gyrosphere

Ig I could but the visibility would be shit

[reef trellis]

Prob

Or you could just make a normal sized sphere and resize the physics bearing

Iykwim

[merry ruin]

I dont think so, If the player is supposed to fit inside Id need to scale the sphere instead of the insides

[reef trellis]

3 ships

[merry ruin]

wdym?

[reef trellis]

One for the ball steering and movement

One ball

And one for the interior

With seats and shit

[merry ruin]

wdym one ship for the ball? how?

[reef trellis]

You build the balls like a solid thing

With copycats

And then you use bearings to move it around

[merry ruin]

oh, yeah thats also possible but nkt as smooth

[stoic nymph]

Love the 4D looking hitboxes

[merry ruin]

"Valkyrien art"

[reef trellis]

Bibilically accurate vs

[merry ruin]

thats more like it

[merry ruin]

btw, I think having a lot of ships with overlapping hitbox outlines(the purple cubes) also impacts physics performance even if the ships are not colliding - I used to have ~30 phys TPS with that thing loaded before I disabled a lot of its collisions(the shafts dont touch)

[merry ruin]

Holy shit, I think I found a way to save N/2 ships where N is a even number of rings in the sphere without any visual compromises, simply better allocation of ships

for reference: in a sphere that uses 8 rings, 4 ships per ring(32 total) this method would save 4 ships(12.5% of total)

It may not seem like much but if I were to disable all collisions between all ships in a sphere of 32 ships its 496 constraints but for a sphere of 28 ships its 378 constraints (almost 24% less)

🤯

though the difference in how many constraints Id have to place manually is 342 vs 294 (only 14% less)

[merry ruin]

Damn, I think there is a even better way to make a sphere out of cubes... this is a much deeper problem than I thought

[merry ruin]

Nvm, I can make it 266 (22% less)

[dark thicket]

biblically accurate angel

[merry ruin]

highly optimized balls:

the naming is as follows:

• radius
• angle offset between ships
• number of ships
• ACD - all collisions disabled (yes I took the time to disable all 105, 276 and 378 collisions)

now they only drop a few phys tps when all 3 are in contact

[stoic nymph]

That's the exact reason why I asked spaceeye for group collision disabling

If it was a thing, I would finish my smooth ball

For now it's just 1/10 of the ball and it already causes 1 ship tps

[merry ruin]

damn, how many ships is that?

and how big is it?

[stoic nymph]

I don't remember it rn

Wait I'll find it

#minecraft message

I'm not sure if I ever shared the number of ships it would contain

I would have to calculate it again

Oh wait

I don't remember the angle

Well

I won't tell you know then

[merry ruin]

I see that you were building it one ship per surface, very unoptimal

btw it helps a lot when the number of rings or double rings in my case is a power of 2

this way when you build 1 you can schem it and connect them together

since disable collision constraints save in Vschems you save yourself from disabling half of them by hand each time you schem and connect them

[merry ruin]

btw, was the 6% an approximation? if not than the exact number of ships would be 400

[stoic nymph]

That is probably an approximation, but I think it should be divided by 2

Because you can use 1 ship for 1 and the opposite side

[stoic nymph]

The ship count, not percentage

[merry ruin]

depending on the construction it could be divided by up to 6

but my method is only at ~3,5

[stoic nymph]

No it couldn't

I know what you mean but I use a different technique

Only 1 middle ring can be made using + looking structures

The rest is more complicated

[merry ruin]

so how do you construct it?

do you build it without poles and equator?

[stoic nymph]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xi2K_52XS8Y&pp=ygUTQnVpbGQgYSBib2F0IHNwaGVyZQ%3D%3D

Go to 8:32

Sth like that

[merry ruin]

ooh, so thats how you get it so smooth

but how do you make the narrowing slices? slope blocks on the sides of the surfaces?

I limited myself to full blocks because they have 1 lod per surface and I can use the high friction blocks this way

[merry ruin]

anyways, I think you could build it smooth like that but use 4 surfaces per ship for most of the ships

unless the angles change the closer you get to the poles or something

🤔

[stoic nymph]

More ships

One trapezoid is made of 3 ships

[merry ruin]

like 3 surfaces from seperate ships aligned in 1 plane to make the trapezoid shaped surface?

[stoic nymph]

Yes

I use ships because I need dimensions to be perfect

[merry ruin]

makes sense

now I know where all the phys tps went

[stoic nymph]

Literally copycat boards are 8x to thick

(Boards are 1 pixel thick)

[merry ruin]

btw, do you only use full blocks? how do you make the triangle shape at the poles?

[stoic nymph]

I mean, the poles are flat

So it will be just n-gon

[merry ruin]

you mean 1 texture pixel? 1/16 of a full block

[stoic nymph]

Yes

[merry ruin]

ooh, thats interesting

I didnt think about that at all

I see, my balls may be more practical but making a smooth one is a different form of art...

[stoic nymph]

That sentence would sound quite funny without the context...

Anyway

[stoic nymph]

Yea I just wanted do do sth new

Sth that probably no vs player made ever

Or at least I haven't made

[merry ruin]

btw how did you choose the size? I mean, Id probably go with something smaller first...

[stoic nymph]

I checked at which radius I can make copycat layers align almost perfectly

Iirc I went for 13 blocks

Radius

Yk, I made 2 rods rotated by some angle and tried to connect their ends

[stoic nymph]

Nah smaller would be harder

The smaller the radius, the bigger the angle must be

So it's less smooth

If I had to keep the angle, getting right trapezoids would be pain

[merry ruin]

yeah, thats true

anyways, we will talk tomorrow, now I should go to sleep

good night

[stoic nymph]

Yea, me too

[stoic nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/good-night-sweet-dreams-night-sleep-bedtime-gif-7832485094464547003

[merry ruin]

@stoic nymph I thought about it some more today and I realized that squares cant be arranged into a trapezoid shape where the bases have different lengths without some part sticking out, how do you account for that?

[stoic nymph]

I know, but the parts sticking out are less than ¼ pixel

I can live with that

I could techically use e.g. copycat slopes for that, but I would have to change the design entirely

[merry ruin]

ahh, so there is a margin of error

btw, @stoic nymph Ive been trying to come up with a configuration of bearings or constraints that would allow me to spin the sphere around pitch axis(driving forwards) and offsetting the pitch axis around yaw(turning) but without rotating the sphere with it, only the pitch axis, do you have any ideas?

[stoic nymph]

uhh

you like sync rotating stuff with ground do you?

[stoic nymph]

is a flywheel an answer that satisfies you?

you could put sth in a sphere rotating freely (or sync rotated to the ground) around the pitch axis and put a flywheel on it

it could be either the clockwork one or phys one

[merry ruin]

wdym? how would it work?

[stoic nymph]

uhh

give me a moment

[stoic nymph]

uhh

the video in too large

wait

[merry ruin]

is it still compressing?

[stoic nymph]

no, I thought I might aswell use phys bearing

but...

either the snap bearing or phys bearing is broken

or both, no idea

yep, definitely phys bearing

[merry ruin]

huh, you are on Vs 2.4, right?

[stoic nymph]

ye

but I found the solution

change from follow angle to locked

[merry ruin]

wait, so it works in the video?

I dont get it

[stoic nymph]

no it does not

im compressing

ok

it does not have to be that wide btw

[merry ruin]

🤔

I think you built something different than what I have in mind

Ill build an example of what I mean later

but incomplete

because I dont know how to get that one feature

[stoic nymph]

other way would be just splitting the sphere into 2 half spheres

and if you rotate them in opposite directions, they turn the sphere

[merry ruin]

this is what I want to build but as you can see the sphere rotates with the pitch axis and I want the sphere to stay still when I rotate the axis

[stoic nymph]

So you just want it to roll the other way without turning left or right?

[merry ruin]

yeah

[stoic nymph]

Hmm

So if you had a seat inside, you would like it not to rotate

And point always 1 direction?

[merry ruin]

maybe... idk if thats the right analogy

I dont want the ship which spins the sphere to transfer its yaw rotation to it, only pitch

but honestly it may be just a theoretical puzzle because this system is already falling apart
#controlcraft message

I imagine that adding more complexity to it isnt going to help...

[stoic nymph]

What if

You just use my old design...

#1255853663306514494 message

And make the tilt of weight in both ways?

That would probably work?

My design was quite bad ngl

I think you could make it roll better

[merry ruin]

wdym by tilt of weight?

[stoic nymph]

Basically just use either a ball bearing or 2 bearings in the opposite direction in the same place

[merry ruin]

but where exactly?

[stoic nymph]

You would need to somehow make a gyroscope which would keep a block inside always face 1 direction and then you could put a weight under the block and tilt it in different directions to make it roll

Actually, you just need a ball, build the "radius" and use vmod constraint to get free connection

This way you can connect a block in the middle of the ball without it being limited to ball's orientation

Then just place a gyro on the block, put gold block on the side of the block and see the ball roll in this direction

Actually

If you have the free block

You can easily just make the whole system of propulsion / power on it

The ball will be touching the ground, but the ship inside will be completely unattached

(Unless you tell it to interact with the ball, which is great for steering)

[merry ruin]

wait, what is the free block and how is it connected to the sphere?

[stoic nymph]

^

[stoic nymph]

Or build a gyroscope ^

[merry ruin]

so its connected by a connection conatraint in free orientation?

[stoic nymph]

Ye

[merry ruin]

and the free block has its rotation synced to world?

[stoic nymph]

Can be

Depends on the type of steering you choose

[merry ruin]

but its supposed to work as the rotation anchor?

[stoic nymph]

Wdym?

[merry ruin]

basically its the ship relative to which all other ships rotate

but it keeps its orientation

[stoic nymph]

Oh yes

That would be the main ship

I think

[merry ruin]

ok, but if its connected with a connection in free orientation than it doesnt do anything

there is no way to transfer rotation through a free connection

[stoic nymph]

Well

That is

Not true

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bOqQIfqfens

You could either use some kind of sync rotation or try to do some weird stuff with sth also rotating in the center and pistons which would probably make conntact with the ball

||or you could just put thrusters on the free ship and use them to move the ball||

But I don't think you would like this idea

[merry ruin]

damn, thats cool

[stoic nymph]

Indeed

[merry ruin]

but I think using friction to roll the ball isnt really viable in Vs

[stoic nymph]

True

But you still have sync rotation

[merry ruin]

Hell Nah

[stoic nymph]

The challenge is to figure out a way to use it

[merry ruin]

huh, sync rotation instead of friction?

🤔