My attempt to mod contraptions and bogeys

[zinc hawk]

hopefully we can stop flying through the blocks while in motion now

if i find an error text in here ill post a patch below it

[charred crow]

You should explain what this does and upload screenshots

[zinc hawk]

Sounds good I'll do that after I get dont dropping gf off back home

Screenshot idk how im gonna show moving behavior

But description for sure

[zinc hawk]

What It Does
The mod provides comprehensive performance optimizations through several key areas:

Core Optimizations
Spatial Partitioning: Improves collision detection using grid-based spatial indexing
Level of Detail (LOD): Reduces detail for distant objects to improve rendering performance
Async Physics: Moves physics calculations to background threads
Batched Updates: Groups frequent updates together to reduce processing overhead
Object Pooling: Reduces garbage collection pressure by reusing objects
Mod-Specific Optimizations

Valkyrien Skies: Optimizes physics updates and collision precision for airship physics

Trackwork: Enhances train system performance with optimized update frequencies

Create: Improves contraption and machine performance

Train Collision: Advanced collision detection and player correction systems

How It Works

The mod uses a modular optimization system with these main components:

Architecture:
OptimizationManager: Central coordinator managing per-dimension optimization contexts
PerformancePatcher: Applies runtime patches to detected mods (so i can fix crashes from other mods easier)
Integration Layer: Hooks into mod APIs for targeted optimizations
Metrics & Debugging: Performance monitoring and adaptive quality management (still expanding it)

Implementation Strategy:
Detection-based: Automatically detects installed mods and applies appropriate patches
Configurable: All optimizations can be enabled/disabled and tuned via configuration
Non-intrusive: Works without modifying original mod. just applies its own values over the top of whats there.
Adaptive: Includes runtime performance monitoring and quality adjustment

Key Features:
Memory Management: Garbage collection optimization and memory pooling
Runtime Configuration: Settings can be adjusted without restart
Performance Metrics: Detailed performance tracking and debugging tools
Multi-threading: Background processing for physics and updates
Spatial Optimization: Grid-based collision detection and culling

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I need to make a patch for a friend that DMd me about empty schematics on an engine to change the mode causing a crash

does that work?

[charred crow]

How does this part work?
Valkyrien Skies: Optimizes physics updates and collision precision for airship physics
And how does it do that while satisfying this?
Works without modifying original mod. just applies its own values over the top of whats there.

[zinc hawk]

The patcher uses ObfuscationReflectionHelper.findField() to access VS internals at runtime, meaning:

No VS source code is changed
VS can be updated independently
Optimizations are applied dynamically

Instead of changing VS code, it overrides configuration values:

java
// Original VS: private static final double COLLISION_MARGIN = 0.01;
// After patching: private static final double COLLISION_MARGIN = 0.05;
Event Integration
The optimizer hooks into VS events through reflection:

java
Class<?> vsEventRegistry = Class.forName("org.valkyrienskies.mod.common.VSEventRegistry");
// Registers event listeners without modifying VS event system

I hope anything im saying is useful

[charred crow]

Bro, org.valkyrienskies.mod.common.VSEventRegistry does not exist

[zinc hawk]

then what did it actualy call?.. let me look

[cosmic onyx]

@zinc hawk okay yeah ur no longer allowed to post these 😭 you have absolutely no clue what this stuff does

[zinc hawk]

okay np

all i care about is it fixed a problem someone was having and im going to continue finding and fixing problems even if it doesnt go here

The org.valkyrienskies.mod.common.VSEventRegistry is referenced in the Performance Patcher code at line 51 of ValkyrienSkiesOptimizer.java. This is part of the Valkyrien Skies integration system.

[cosmic onyx]

what?

[cosmic onyx]

VSEventRegistry quite literally does not exist

i don't know how to tell you this

[static rune]

was mf restricted because of posting ai slop? insane 1984

[zinc hawk]

yes i am

im trying to post the picture to show it also

[swift umbra]

@zinc hawk was unrestricted

[cosmic onyx]

post it

[zinc hawk]

right there

[cosmic onyx]

it

does

not

exist

ur ai is hallucinating

wait what the fuck

[zinc hawk]

okay

[static rune]

i see that you want to do something cool, but AI is writing a bunch of nonsense

[cosmic onyx]

core.game.physicsengine 😭

[static rune]

if you don't know programming to actually know if what it writes makes sense, you will not have anything working

[zinc hawk]

i am working on removing and replacing nonsense with something that works but i need the people with the actual functioning knowledge to help me get the stuff correct so i can actually do it

so if its the wrong thing its easier for me to just understand hey this doesnt do anything use this instead

ranther than blocking me

[static rune]

fixing AI hallucinations is not fun, so I really doubt that you will find anyone

[zinc hawk]

understood

[static rune]

you should learn some actual programming to use AI effectively

[zinc hawk]

This is me learning but i want to do productive stuff while im learning

even if this is making junk to fix

[cosmic onyx]

okay i'm gonna keep it 100, please get some basic java and modding knowledge. ai does not know how vs works unless you tell it, and you can't do that unless you know basic mod structure and an overview of how vs works

[cosmic onyx]

i would instead recommend breaking vs and fixing it instead, or whatever other mods ur trying to fix

[static rune]

what you're doing is like trying to learn university level math without knowing what 2+2 is

it's not going to work

do something simpler first

[untold coral]

4

[wheat mural]

we got actual clanker lover here

why do you rely on this thing

not just for coding

but also for making up answers

[zinc hawk]

wah..

[wheat mural]

like if you want to vibe code something vs related at least study the codebase either by yourself or ask ai for explanation what is what

[zinc hawk]

mate you can give me all the same arguments people have been making for the last 3 years on AI its not going to change that im not the only one thats going to start doing this

[wheat mural]

even the basic structure of anything in the mod tbh

[cosmic onyx]

oh god they are an actual ai bro

😭

[zinc hawk]

thats rude

[wheat mural]

It’s a powerful tool but it takes quite some skill to actually use it with an existing codebase

[untold coral]

Bru
If people try to make a tool do everything for them while not knowing what it even makes
We're doomed

[wheat mural]

You don’t have that skill or at least applying 0% of it here

[cosmic onyx]

^ to an extent, ai is only as good as the user

esp when it comes to undocumented, complex code

[wheat mural]

Wouldn’t be so strict with that

[wheat mural]

But yes

[zinc hawk]

The point is to make something that does work and then i want to annotate it to explain the stuff to me like a textbook (IF IT WORKS)

[wheat mural]

The problem is

It can’t just make stuff that works here

[zinc hawk]

IT COULD BE HALLUSINATION IK

[wheat mural]

Minecraft modding is one of the less documented fields

Like yes AI can code webslop javascript stuff all over the day

[cosmic onyx]

okay, if ur gonna do that, feed the ai the actual mod classes you want to modify

[zinc hawk]

you dont think im taking this between multiple different places googling this stuff asking mod devs and reading the github notes on how im supposed to do this? im not taking raw outputs and shitting it out in a jar

[wheat mural]

But here a lot of knowledge is hidden in discords or whatever not in ai datasets

[zinc hawk]

i have errors yes

[untold coral]

Wait does he know what classes are and what they do

[zinc hawk]

i fix them also

[wheat mural]

You’re doing some optimization thing right

What do you even want to optimize

[static rune]

it still produces absolute nonsense so idk how effective it is

[zinc hawk]

the person i made this for said it fixed his issue

[wheat mural]

Just ask AI why the code is bullshit and it will kindly explain it indeed is

(Because you’re absolutely right)

[zinc hawk]

now i need to find the needle in the haystack of shit to figure out what actually made it do this

[untold coral]

"You're absolutely right!"

[cosmic onyx]

you're asking an ai who doesn't have a single clue on how create or vs works to fix them my guy

[zinc hawk]

well then annotate the source code better so it can understand whats going on

[keen pelican]

No

[cosmic onyx]

wha

[wheat mural]

Why would we annotate source code just for you

[keen pelican]

Absolutly fucking no

[cosmic onyx]

the source code is just fine, if you know how java works 😭

[zinc hawk]

right

[wheat mural]

We know how to deal with it

It’s for devs

[keen pelican]

Why should we embrace ai slop

[zinc hawk]

Its not going away

[wheat mural]

Just wait until it becomes good enough to read the code man

[zinc hawk]

dont embrace it improve it to make less slop

[wheat mural]

Probably half a year

[zinc hawk]

okay

can do

[wheat mural]

Until then

[untold coral]

That depends on the politics around gen AI but you're right it probably isn't

[cosmic onyx]

bro 😭

[wheat mural]

Please don’t attempt to do this bullshit

Like there’s erroneous vibe code that looks ok but isn’t that sustainable

[cosmic onyx]

it can read the code, if you give it the code

but unless you know where the code is, you can't do that

[wheat mural]

And then there’s unsalvageable meaningless bullshit

Whatever you posted is the latter

[zinc hawk]

Well anyways im going to keep asking it to explain itself thanks for the feedback

[wheat mural]

Yeah ask the clanker not us

[keen pelican]

Actual developers with real insight on how the code works, and why bugs occur already know how to read vs2's codespace

[zinc hawk]

I need real info to improve so at some point i got to ask someone

[cosmic onyx]

it gave you a horrible answer for the vs events registry that it hallucinated lad

[charred crow]

If you insist on using ai to code, clone the VS2 repo into a local repository and open it with Cursor or something

[cosmic onyx]

start with kaupenjoe's series on minecraft and java

[keen pelican]

Annotating the code more to help AI is like opening the monkey enclosure in a zoo

[cosmic onyx]

these have the java basics you need, the mod structures, how registries work, a lot of good stuff you need

[keen pelican]

It leads to absolute chaos

[zinc hawk]

Okay i have one more request can we get an AI slop wannabe dev room lol

[static rune]

no

[zinc hawk]

XD

[wheat mural]

No

[untold coral]

Nuh-uh

[cosmic onyx]

for the love of god build some actual dev skills 😭

[wheat mural]

Optimization specifically is hell of a task even for people already familiar with the mod

[zinc hawk]

mmm. no i have too much to do ranching already

[wheat mural]

Those who aren’t start with very basics

[zinc hawk]

but ill keep going

[wheat mural]

Like maybe implementing compatibility for some very simple mod

[charred crow]

Start with a content mod, optimization requires a lot of experience, especially for a mod like VS

[zinc hawk]

I dont like making content mods

[wheat mural]

Or tracking down the reason of a simple bug

[wheat mural]

Just ask AI to make up the content and code the rest, easy

[charred crow]

Ai is actually really good at content mods

[zinc hawk]

I made a stupid firetruck mod and it was dissapointing how little i cared about it

[cosmic onyx]

they're the entry into modding, adding blocks, items, basic networking, loottables, etc

they're just good experience

[zinc hawk]

Yeah but my only intrest is in the stuff under the hood

[charred crow]

Ok then learn about it properly

[zinc hawk]

ok

[wheat mural]

Then actually express that interest

[cosmic onyx]

that doesn't matter, you have work on the little stuff before getting to the bigger projects

[zinc hawk]

im still going to use AI though because i dont have days and days to sit at a desk

[cosmic onyx]

its just a necessity of pretty much everything in life

[charred crow]

At least follow some sort of intro to java course or something if you don’t want to make content mods

[wheat mural]

If you don’t have time that severely should mc modding even be a priority

[cosmic onyx]

you don't need days and days my guy, just an hour or less a day will get you there in no time

[zinc hawk]

yes my free time i want my world to work how i intend it to

[cosmic onyx]

your ai mod isn't doing that

[wheat mural]

it isn’t doing anything nor it will any soon 💔

[zinc hawk]

I get 2 hours of freetime a day after i deal with the animals before i go to work so im trying to maximize how much i can do

not yet

[cosmic onyx]

that's enough time to work through some kaupenjoe java videos

[wheat mural]

Again learn some shit and halfway through the course you’ll see how this product of generation is just not useful, none of it is

And maybe you’ll reconsider how and where AI should be applied

[zinc hawk]

probably not, As it turns out it didnt read the source code folder i gave it of VS2 (explains why it tried to use a name it thought would be used..) This is the one im currently working on

[wheat mural]

Probably yes

It’s good to fill in some blanks

[crisp fractal]

I garuntee you that you will spend the same amount of time fighting with AI as you will fighting with Java, except that fighting with java will actually improve over time

[wheat mural]

But not whatever this is

The results speak for themselves…

[charred crow]

Your time is your own, but our recommendations are the fastest path to success with modding

[meager wolf]

You are just approaching it wrong. There's nothing wrong with using AI, but you need to

1. Tell it what you're trying to accomplish and to come up with a plan to do it. Make sure you understand the plan as much as possible, including specifically what code in VS you need to look for. It will also be useful to use something like Gemini or ChatGPT that you can attach a GitHub repository to.

2. Begin on step one of the plan, whatever that is. There will be an enormous amount of things that you don't understand, many of them just generally programming related. Make sure to ask questions all the time, whenever there is something you don't understand. Put it on "Study" mode if you have the option. It will probably take you hours, days or even weeks to get anything done, but that's intentional. If this is going too slowly for your liking, return to step 1 and try an easier task.

3. Once you've accomplished the task with the help of AI, throw it out and try again on your own. You should have learned enough that you understand how to redo your work without the assistance of AI and you will understand where improvements can be made the second time around.

Using AI like you are now, trying to get it to one shot a program without understanding what it's outputting, is a recipe for failure.

Take it from a professional software developer who uses plenty of AI

[crisp fractal]

Oh no Ruby coming over with the vibing tips

[meager wolf]

More like "using the AI to learn" tips

[crisp fractal]

Ruby you learned Java way before AI was a thing (atleast I think)

[meager wolf]

over 10 years ago so definitely yes lol

But in my very early learning stages, I was taught by my dad

I think self teaching is pretty hard, and I can see how AI can help a lot with that

The problem is that it's really hard to avoid being lazy and using as a crutch

[spiral current]

oh my god

what in the actual fuck is this

the vibecoded attempt at an optimisaiton mod, and now this???

[fluid arch]

isn’t this also a vibecoded attempt at an optimisation mod?

[spiral current]

How bad does it have to be for it to have even ruby say that there is something wrong 😭

[cosmic onyx]

look at the actual code too

i sent sm of it in vscreators

but its all hallucinations

[fluid arch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1131007950023053484/1449533856075223111/image.png?ex=693f3f1a&is=693ded9a&hm=c49e7e7bf9e7186560b4eba5673054229fba8cf96724157cbf1a327ea8c14650&

[spiral current]

Even the messages bro sent are AI

the long ones

I cannot fight this

[fluid arch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1131007950023053484/1449542031407055070/Screenshot_2025-12-13_at_3.22.26_PM.png?ex=693f46b7&is=693df537&hm=dbd44166f52eb5904589821f4faba727b08dd6f99891e51c32c43c5495206311&

[crisp fractal]

did bro leave the server?

or was banned?

[spiral current]

I literally don't have enough energy to be fighting against people who use AI to answer

[fluid arch]

this one might be my favorite lmao

[cosmic onyx]

well

at least they'll never read bad tps

[fluid arch]

ultimate optimisation

[fluid arch]

wait, did you ban him?

[spiral current]

no

I would not

I didn't do anything 😭

[fluid arch]

oh my b

[spiral current]

they are still here as far as I know

[fluid arch]

I thought you were implying you did with this lol

[spiral current]

I would not ban them for that

[cosmic onyx]

they left, yeah

[spiral current]

I don't feel hate or something like that, I think I am just desesperate

[fluid arch]

he’s gone

https://tenor.com/view/out-disappear-bye-vanished-gif-4932063

[spiral current]

like actual despair

[fluid arch]

ikr

[abstract star]

9/10 thread

[fluid arch]

yeah, this is one for the VScord history books for sure 😭

[untold coral]

I mean
I learned lua mostly by myself, if I had issues I consulted people, but most of it was reusing my knowledge of python
But I learned python from being taught by others, including a high school coding teacher
So learning by yourself is pretty possible, you just gotta have a solid foundation first

As for java

I'm just lazy

So I kinda don't

[untold coral]

What's F?

[wheat mural]

It signifies it’s a floating point number

[untold coral]

Ah it's just for floats

[wheat mural]

Because a double would be specified as 20.0

[untold coral]

So the function just returns 20 always

💀

[wheat mural]

Why on earth would (double)20.0F be necessary…

Though we’ll never know nothing of that makes sense

[wheat mural]

Yea

[untold coral]

On an unrelated note

I'm brainrotted

[abstract star]

Would be higher if he didnt leave

[wheat mural]

We in vscreators can only wish we had such gemeralds

[untold coral]

Btw is that the server that has the other half of a troll emoji

[wheat mural]

No

[untold coral]

huh

[wary rover]

Using ai to code anything is crazy

Well, using ai for anything important is crazy