Dassault Croissant F1

[steady lake]

Really maneuvrable plane made with warium
And before any stupid warium hater come in, I use it on a serv so not made to be as beautiful as possible

[calm shore]

“Are you gonna finish the cwosauuint”- Carl Wheezer

[steady lake]

yea forgot to finish the bottom lol

was quite a paint to balance it with this wing shape

[exotic imp]

[any stupid warium hater comes in]
Bro, warium is not cool, clockwork makes you think, this THING not

||Just joking||

[steady lake]

sometimes you just wanna have fun and dont spend 30 hours on a thing

[obtuse moat]

and you wanna be able to build it on a survival server

And not build it just for the purpose of posting it in showcase

[digital lava]

I only have a problem when only warium is used in a build that's going for realism, this however i am all for

Really nice build, well done 👍

[tough sable]

[any stupid warium hater comes in]
😊

[leaden juniper]

[brittle zephyr]

What the fuck 😭

[glacial shell]

vpex does not know what strawman means 😭 (tt discord)

[gloomy crane]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[glacial shell]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-neutron-carl-wheezer-are-you-going-to-finish-that-croissant-croissant-cwasont-gif-21829791

[haughty forge]

Yup, clockwork builds gave me litteral migraines just to be roasted the second I posted them

Only for those planes to go unused because wtf do i use them for???

[autumn lava]

do you genuinely not know what strawman means?

i havent heard anyone make a point like this in weeks

[haughty forge]

Is that mj

[haughty forge]

I think that may be because your arguement isnt very clear

You kinda switch points throughout an arugement

Like one moment you talk about textures, then the next about nukes

[autumn lava]

thats how arguing work

you argue over more than one topic

[autumn lava]

ok thats not true

its usually about textures

and then moves on to other things

we already argued over nukes

if you cant remember that

thats on you

[haughty forge]

I can?

Aka why I mentioned it

[autumn lava]

clearly you cant remember that we already ENDED the argument

I literally said there are no good nuke mods

and neither alex' caves or warium are good for it

[haughty forge]

Which btw, thermonuclear bombs are stars being detonated so how is it too dramatic, I digress tho

[autumn lava]

neither nukes look very good

[haughty forge]

Yes, but you kept going back to that point with other people

[autumn lava]

i literally havent

you are the only one who's brought it up since

[haughty forge]

No, you brought it up

Not in this show case

[autumn lava]

alex caves' are too small for the explosion size
warium's textures look bad

[haughty forge]

Textures are your opinion

[haughty forge]

Personally, I dont mind them

[autumn lava]

yea

which was the last time I said it

during the last argument

[obtuse moat]

HOW

IS

THIS

STILL

GOING

[autumn lava]

novum fuck off

hes attacking me personally

not even warium

this is what its about

not warium

so go away

[obtuse moat]

Maybe you should consider doing that, I mean every time somebody posts a build you go through the exact same routine and go and start stuff

[haughty forge]

You're saying that warium is a group of 7 yesr olds

[obtuse moat]

This isnt your creation posit

Im sorry it offends you so much taht other people enjoy building stuff with another mod

[autumn lava]

notice how i didnt start stuff in this post?

[obtuse moat]

But that shouldnt be our problem

Yeah but you sure did in the past 15 or so

You set up the expectation

[haughty forge]

"You change your arguement all the time, maybe thats why everything seems like straw man to you!" "STOP PERSONALLY ATTACKING ME"

🤦‍♂️

[obtuse moat]

And you did the same thing, you just did it in another channel where people cant defend themselves

[autumn lava]

what happened to "ignore it" that yall have been saying

I sent that in a place where it would affect anyone or hurt anyones feelings

or start any arguments

[obtuse moat]

nobody likes it when other people talk trash

[haughty forge]

Ok vpex

[haughty forge]

Legit no one likes you when you do this

EVERYONE but one person is against you

[haughty forge]

Legit what it is like

I cannot fathom how someone can see a dozen people, maybe more, and still continue to engage

Are you seeking attention or smth?

[obtuse moat]

I dont see the object worse noob builds receive this much negative attention yall

so it clearly isnt appearance

[haughty forge]

Yeah

Idk

I feel like if litterally everyone else who doesnt like warium, still respects it and doesnt shit on warium builds, then the issue is the person not the mod

Just saying

[autumn lava]

*tells me to stop critiquing builds
"i dont see critique on these even worse builds"

[obtuse moat]

You arent critiquing builds

Thats the thing

[haughty forge]

You dont critique

You just shit on them

[autumn lava]

cause I keep getting looped into arguments

[obtuse moat]

You are telling them to make something completely different

[haughty forge]

THEN TURN YOUR PHONE OFF😭 😭

[obtuse moat]

You arent telling them how to make it better

[spring anchor]

"Warium is a cult of 7 year olds" is such constructive criticism

[haughty forge]

Vpex, legit if you dont like arguing, then stop being the catalyst

[autumn lava]

wasnt even said in this server

[haughty forge]

And??

You still said it

Doesn't change that fact

Why does every arguement about warium involve you or dont do schem (he less so now)

I mean im also in a lot of them

[obtuse moat]

Because qarsan told them to be mad whenever somebody posts something made with warium

or something

[haughty forge]

Maybe

That would make sense

[autumn lava]

ive literally been banned from tt 3 times

[obtuse moat]

How

[haughty forge]

I can see why

[autumn lava]

thats just rude

[haughty forge]

Just truthful

[autumn lava]

no

its not

cause thats not why I was banned

any time

[haughty forge]

You get into every arguement you can dude

[spring anchor]

calling someone's project "a cult of 7 year olds" is also rude

[autumn lava]

*their community

and im sorry but when I read

[haughty forge]

Dude, just stop at this point 😭

[autumn lava]

I dont see anyone over 7 writing that

[haughty forge]

And he represents the entire warium community?

[spring anchor]

Pattern seeking brain:

"The last 10 warium builds have had five hour long arguments from the same 2 people and got locked by mods, I wonder if this one will."

[haughty forge]

Everyone who downloaded the mod is represented by that one person?

Yup

Now this post will have to be locked

[autumn lava]

i specifically didnt start an argument here

they couldve just ignored that

[obtuse moat]

Yeah you did at the previous 15 places

Already set up

You still havent proven anybody wrong

They are just starting to notice

[haughty forge]

Not the same

[obtuse moat]

You havent genuinely critiqued anything

[haughty forge]

Attacking a community vs shitting on a build

[obtuse moat]

There were plenty of clockwork builds that could use improvements

that you didnt critique

The closest I get to criticism is "the textures are bad"

and everybody has a different reason for not liking the textures

many contradictory

[haughty forge]

As I said, everyone who didnt like warium didnt go around starting arguments, and shitting on warium builds, they respected the mod and the builds made in it (except for dontdoschem)

[haughty forge]

Yeah, that is whatever

[haughty forge]

You dont like the textures. I respect that. I wont argue against that

Nukes are too dramatic

See now that

That is just false

[obtuse moat]

kinda offtopic

But yeah media never appreciates how intense a nuclear explosion actually is

[haughty forge]

What even js the topic

[spring anchor]

Bruh the person left

[haughty forge]

Dw they'll be back

Idk, it seems to be just them

I used to be such a diehard clockwork fan it was insane, then I became a fan of warium

[spring anchor]

Do not continue this

[obtuse moat]

Create is an amazing mod

It just doesnt work for what I want to use it for

Ironfall wouldnt be playable if it was based on create and clockwork

[haughty forge]

Yup

[obtuse moat]

People wouldnt be making fighter jets in survival and shooting each other down when wars start

[gloomy crane]

All that bc you never knew about drive-by-wire 🙀

[autumn lava]

4 times

I have started arguments

[haughty forge]

Dbw changed my life a little bit

[autumn lava]

the rest were responses

[obtuse moat]

Ok the other times were the other guy

[gloomy crane]

And wait until you discover Control Craft

[obtuse moat]

That looks almost identical

[haughty forge]

Ok life, teach me how. I legit need to know. I want to redo my f35, or maybe make a new one, and my planes are alright but not great

[autumn lava]

not something ive said

[haughty forge]

It is

[gloomy crane]

https://discord.com/channels/244934352092397568/1428807425208750080

[autumn lava]

i said that about terf actually iirc

[haughty forge]

Very much what younsaid

[gloomy crane]

use compact flaps

[haughty forge]

That applies for all planes?

[gloomy crane]

I made my F-4 phantom with compact flaps

Literally, it doesn't need setup

I just place the schematicsnd flies; it does have diesel engines but just to activate the landing gear

[haughty forge]

You did in the post locked and deleted

[autumn lava]

no

[haughty forge]

The terf was something sperate that you barely said anything about

[autumn lava]

maybe chicken did

[haughty forge]

Maybe

Actually probably

OK you are right there

[autumn lava]

i think that might be what hes reffering to here

even though I have no proof of this ever being an argument

[haughty forge]

Shit that was chicken the whole time I am sorry😭 😭

[autumn lava]

which is what we call a ✨strawman✨

[autumn lava]

this is a strawman because

• this was never brought up in the discussion
• this was never brought up beforehand (from what I can find)

anyways im going to bed

im not dealing with ts

[haughty forge]

I cant say anything about that because I prolly wasn't in that arguement

[autumn lava]

since novum seemed butthurt that I listened to yall and was somewhat keeping to myself

I well spend as much time as possible tomorrow critiquing all builds

[haughty forge]

But disregard the nuke stuff I got you and chicken mixed up, mb

[spring anchor]

I wouldn't consider that to be keeping to yourself but ok

[spring anchor]

I wouldn't consider this to be critiquing builds either

[haughty forge]

He hopefully will actually critique them

[autumn lava]

I literally havent dont it yet

[haughty forge]

And that isnwhat he meant

[obtuse moat]

"give up and build something else" is not constructive criticism

[haughty forge]

I think he is meaning that he will try to actually criticize them not shit on them tormorrow

[obtuse moat]

That would be genuinely nice

[haughty forge]

Which if true, I will respect that and not hold a grudge

I honestly think I just argued against someone who was innocent from some of the stuff I thought they did

Uhhhh

Everything except for the shitting on builds was probably all for chicken

Yeah im sorry vpex

I got you two completely mixed up

[spring anchor]

lore accurate internet

Vpex was trashing on Warium a lot, but Dontdoschem was doing it significantly more iirc

[haughty forge]

Yup

And i got the two confused

Not even

I just basically thought the two were the same

I completely forgot I ever argued much with dontdoschem

[spring anchor]

they have very similar pfps

[haughty forge]

And some similar things

Like overly hating on warium

[little panther]

is every warium post going to have a midwit argument

[haughty forge]

I mean, the fact that it was just them hating on every warium build and everyone else being against them still stands

[obtuse moat]

Yes

For some reason

[haughty forge]

Probably

I mean, if they stop hating on warium builds, then it will stop

[obtuse moat]

stahp

You stop

[haughty forge]

I wont try to change an opinion about textures

[exotic imp]

Clockwork is very survival friendly

[obtuse moat]

Wording it like that doesnt help

[obtuse moat]

CLOCKWORK is survival friendly indeed, the recipes and such

however

[haughty forge]

The arugements wont happen if they stop hating on every warium build

[obtuse moat]

If you have a server like ironfall but with create and clockwork people wont be fighting with fighter jets i assure you

[haughty forge]

Depends which mods

I mean technically yes

[little panther]

recipes can be changed for any mod they dont matter

[obtuse moat]

Yeah this isnt about recipes

[exotic imp]

They may, but crying in same time

[obtuse moat]

but this shouldnt be an argument

[haughty forge]

I mean, if I want survival I'll go for warium, if I want replicas of irl planes I'll go clockwork

[obtuse moat]

No, only 1 mod can stand apparently

Because that is how minecraft mods work, definately

[little panther]

u can use copycats and warium...

[haughty forge]

They have different purposes I feel, and while one can be used for the other, they each are best at their own things

[haughty forge]

But not vmod, etc

[exotic imp]

True

[exotic imp]

.

[little panther]

ye?

i have a pack

[haughty forge]

I mean you wont whip out a tool gun in survival

[little panther]

with vmod clockwork eureka warium space war

[exotic imp]

Well, vmod is open source

You can delete some features and make it survival friendly

[haughty forge]

I dont like that idea

Scalling, clipping egc

Etc

How can you balance that

I dont really see a reason to use warium over clockwork for replicas

[exotic imp]

Don't see anything bad in scaling (with configured limits)

[haughty forge]

Vmod is just god powers meant for a creative sandbox

You cant really make some tweaks and have it be survival friendly

And besides, I feel warium is more up to creativity

With warium, I am more inclined to build my own design

[exotic imp]

Its survival friendly as soon as no dupe from schematics exist

[little panther]

its vs

the whole mod is a dupe

[haughty forge]

It's complicated and cant be implemented in a reasonable manner for survival

People will find loopholes for it

[exotic imp]

I mean just delete the whole feature

In toolgun options

Open source thing

[haughty forge]

You can still abuse it

[little panther]

i mean vmod isnt a survival mod

its a toolgun

[haughty forge]

Yes

[exotic imp]

But the one true is, people wont fight with tanks they spend 4 hours just for schem

[haughty forge]

And on ironfall

The most maneuverable planes arent going to be replicas

Excpet for the f16

[gloomy crane]

Nuhuh, wrong answer, you're too limited

[haughty forge]

It's an interesting idea, but i feel lile a whole new mod is needed

[haughty forge]

By what?

[exotic imp]

By mod

[haughty forge]

If i go out with clockwork, I just spam wings and flaps and I have an ultra maneuverable plane

[exotic imp]

In Clockwork you can do any configuration in Create mostly

[gloomy crane]

That's not the point

[obtuse moat]

Warium is limited that kinda is the point

[gloomy crane]

I'm talking about the design

[obtuse moat]

It forces you to make something that is reasonable within physics

[little panther]

nah

[haughty forge]

Yes

[gloomy crane]

That's what I'm talking about

[obtuse moat]

Aluminum palting is the only few blocks because of mass and armor

[gloomy crane]

I mean, it's fine

[obtuse moat]

I agree about the texture thing

[little panther]

just change mass in config

[haughty forge]

Im not saying that with warium I can make the wildest planes imaginable

[obtuse moat]

Which is the only valid criticism ive actually seen

[haughty forge]

It's repetitive mainly

[exotic imp]

I don't see anything bad in warium, just like style of Create's VS

[gloomy crane]

You can't* do my F-4 with warium

[little panther]

clockwork just propellers

[exotic imp]

And how they work

[obtuse moat]

Yeah, the one issue is the fact that it forces you to use the light armor

which my intent was

[gloomy crane]

What's that react buddy

[obtuse moat]

so that people dont make their vehicles flying bricks that take cannon shells

[exotic imp]

Not just clockwork, many create-vs addons

Propulsion

[little panther]

i use multiple addons

[haughty forge]

I dont see a big problem with that, maybe add titanium so things like the a10 cockpit can be possible, idk how you can make it so you dont spam it everywhere though

[little panther]

warium clockwork eureka vmod spacewar cbc

[obtuse moat]

I plan to add titanium to my addon eventually (which would be stronger than aluminum and a lot lighter than steel)

But still weaker than steel

23mm shells would pierce it easily

[haughty forge]

Yeah. And missiles?

[obtuse moat]

8x50mm bullets would not go through it

neither would heavy fragments

from explosives

[little panther]

you need connected textures for armor

[haughty forge]

That way if someone makes a plane out of titanium entirely, it would only protect against small arms fire and decrease maneuverability

[obtuse moat]

Im thinking of that

[obtuse moat]

Yeah

[haughty forge]

Connected textures would be awesome

[little panther]

could be good for heli

so dont get shot

[haughty forge]

Yes

[steady lake]

Thanks ! Finally a respectful person

[tough sable]

You got 19 hearts, i think there were more nice people

[leaden juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-discord-mod-moderator-moderation-clash-of-clans-gif-24080525

[glacial shell]

That’s exactly what y’all sound like. And yes I know what straw man means and I want you to go and look up the definition

[nimble oracle]

Warium

Cool plane though

[glacial shell]

Yes

Correct

[autumn lava]

Its like if I said all warium players hate clockwork and want to rid vs of it

Its misrepresenting the argument

Which is exactly what I pointed out

[glacial shell]

This is funny because atleast 2 times (that I have seen) somebody has basically said exactly this lmao

[autumn lava]

Not in the past few months bud

[glacial shell]

I really don’t wanna go scrolling so I won’t prove it but it has happened

And that’s why that guy said it

[autumn lava]

Thats my bad actually

This was an argument warium players have used

[glacial shell]

Yeah Ik some people don’t really think before talking. Clockwork will always be cool but I think what he is trying to say is that there are going to be more options other than clockwork

[autumn lava]

That is not what they meant no

i just read through the convo

Novum added smth to warium and that was the response

[glacial shell]

He is still saying that having clockwork will not be needed if warium has a replacement for the stuff. So if you want a tank and the bearings and stuff you aren’t forced to use clockwork

Not really sure how to word that better sorry

[haughty forge]

Yup

I physically cannot see how clockwork has potential in war/survival servers

And dont get me wrong i love clockwork

I am not hating on it

Clockwork isnt bad, nor worse

[glacial shell]

It can be used in survival. Clockwork is the bearings and stuff. Some of it is not very balanced but most people are using a bunch of other stuff from other mods that make it even more unbalanced

[haughty forge]

They just have their own reasons

And yes, I do take back that statement that there will be no reason to use clockwork

From my pov, I just discovered warium

That screenshot is out of context

I just found warium, and was told about all it does

[haughty forge]

Yeah pretty much h

It is more like

Warium is a mod made for survival

Clockwork is a mod made more creative focused (only with vmod and such)

It can be used for survival ofc

[obtuse moat]

Is this still going?

[little panther]

its slowing down

[glacial shell]

It’s a Monday

[autumn lava]

They’re infighting

[haughty forge]

I dont think so

Vpex has started doing the right thing, so props to them

[autumn lava]

Yeah and as soon as I do that they restricted me

So i cant even post things

Or talk in gen

[tough jetty]

why is this still going?

[haughty forge]

Wtf

[autumn lava]

I can only argue in showcase posts

[haughty forge]

Weird

I think you should be allowed access again, now that there is proper criticism

[unkempt flume]

disrespecting dassault like that

[obtuse moat]

Who is "they"

[autumn lava]

The 3 people still talking ??

Who else?

[steady lake]

kind of crazy to see how some people come to argue on every single build

You dont have to use vmod to prove youre an aviation fan, and this build isnt even made to be realistic, just messing around with a goofy plane

403 is crazy ☠️

[autumn lava]

Wjere did you get vmod from 😭

That literally wasnt even brought up

[dry viper]

Im supprised this hasnt gotten locked

[tacit cargo]