Basic center-fire gun with brass casings

[rugged phoenix]

Functions entirely like a real basic firearm not out of a wish to replicate reality but out of in-game necessity and efficiency. Truly a testament to VS:Clockwork's realism.

Yes I know creative motors are not survival attainable. You can link it up to a power source or even just replace the sequenced shift with a valve handle for a cheap, compact, and maybe portable alternative.

experimental drop-mortar design using powdered gunpowder (that is, each gunpowder block is a separate ship) and ship sizing to pack a lot of power into a single block wide cartridge

[low jackal]

we making vs guns w this one

[rugged phoenix]

I'll probably make a revolver tomorrow

it's a pretty simple improvement, all I got to do is add a revolving set of barrels and link it to the trigger and I have a single-action revolver

all these things of course could be scaled down by any degree

meaning a revolver that could fit in one's hand is theoretically possible

although you would have no way to hold it

[idle pebble]

Ehhh, considering minecraft is cubes, the amount of chambers should be divisible by either 2 or 4 (depends on how many ships you're willing to use for the drum)

idk it's just a bit of a limitation

Not that it stops you from making one

[rugged phoenix]

I can make it with any amount

Also all numbers divisible by 2 are divisible by 4 as well

Ok yeah it does depend

[idle pebble]

I mean like in the sense that a number like 6 takes 3 ships but smh like 8 takes just 2

[rugged phoenix]

Idk how you would do that

[idle pebble]

So it's either ships of 2 chambers, or ships of 4 chambers if you want to be efficient with the number of ships

[rugged phoenix]

My plan would have n+1 ships total for n chambers (each chamber gets a ship and also the cylinder itself) so they can align themselves with the barrel, with a few exceptions such as 4 barrels that could be made with far fewer than n+1 ships

[idle pebble]

Ah

[rugged phoenix]

Where are your numbers coming from

[idle pebble]

That's a way I guess

[rugged phoenix]

What's your way

[idle pebble]

if you fuse the 2 slots of the cylinder into a single ship, you can use that as a sort of cylinder
Add more of those slot pairs together and you get a bigger cylinder

[rugged phoenix]

Can you make a diagram for that

I have no idea what that means

[idle pebble]

smth like this

there's 3 ships

6 chambers

[rugged phoenix]

ok yeah that actually makes a lot of sense

yes

you can split it into subcylinders that use the 2 or 4 trick

[idle pebble]

ye

but this way also requires a lot of phys bearings in the centre

[rugged phoenix]

yeah but only one needs to be powered

[idle pebble]

yeah

[rugged phoenix]

besides, there's probably a way to mechanically link them so that only one needs a bearing and the rest are free ships

cause that shape looks pretty stable regardless

all it needs is some joinery and a backplate

[idle pebble]

this actually looks kinda cool lol

[rugged phoenix]

also it wouldn't create regular polygon cylinders, but you can still use combinations of 4,2, and 1 that aren't just multiples, so for instance a 4 and a 2 could make a janky 6 with less ships

but it would take up more space and blocks so

[rugged phoenix]

damn thats cool

if you use the 3rd dimension a little you can definitely get 2 of those to rest on the 3rd

[idle pebble]

I think I did it

shi forgot a few slabs

[rugged phoenix]

that's a very simple work of joinery, if it works I'll be very impressed

this is why you pay attention in DT class lmao

so you can make guns in minecraft

[idle pebble]

I'm in grade 10 lol idk what DT is

[rugged phoenix]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_and_Technology

[rugged phoenix]

Nice

[idle pebble]

cool

[rugged phoenix]

When I figure out more reliable caseless ammo I can use this to have a very compact sixshooter

[idle pebble]

honestly I just guessed this would work based on the previous shape and it did

[rugged phoenix]

Combined with mini ships and I can make a gravitron-portable handgun

[idle pebble]

you can't even twist them out

[idle pebble]

mini ship hitboxes can be slightly different from big ship ones in minor ways, so it might fall apart

needs testing

[rugged phoenix]

Of course

but the general principle is the same

[idle pebble]

by the way small tip, you can rotate the phys bearing with a wrench even if there is a ship assembled on it

[rugged phoenix]

yup

[idle pebble]

can be useful

[rugged phoenix]

i know

[idle pebble]

ah

[rugged phoenix]

despite my recently ended hiatus from this mod I've been here since the early days

posting mostly explosive related devices

[idle pebble]

(also the vertical slabs are from copycats+ just in case)

[rugged phoenix]

like my neverending project for a combustion engine

[rugged phoenix]

that mod is a godsend with clockwork ngl

[idle pebble]

engine femboy likes to build that stuff a lot

[idle pebble]

ye can be useful sometimes

I just use it as intended, for deco lol

[rugged phoenix]

seems like they've done a lot of the things I used to do

nice to see my field recieving new minds

even now

[idle pebble]

by the way this connection is redundant enough to work without one of the links which is kinda cool

(the motor is at 256 in the pic)

[rugged phoenix]

that's less revolver and more single-use rotary cannon

[rugged phoenix]

cool

you should try it with from scratch ships, bearing ships behave weirdly with physics, even when the bearing is broken

[idle pebble]

yeah you're never going to need something that fast lol

[idle pebble]

I always create my ships with the bearing

it's a habit

[idle pebble]

damn, car sized snowflakes

[idle pebble]

turns out it can even hold itself together like this

but it will probably fall apart when I remove even 1 block

2 blocks*

the hell

[idle pebble]

you were right, phys bearings are weird

[rugged phoenix]

Yeah

Try it without

[idle pebble]

because it holds itself together even with just 3 blocks total remaining

[idle pebble]

still works

[rugged phoenix]

How would it not hold

It's on the ground not moving

[rugged phoenix]

Ok damn

[idle pebble]

I was shaking it pretty violently

[rugged phoenix]

How does it work

What's keeping it together

Oh wait I get it

It's like the way they fold those cardboard boxes

[idle pebble]

1 piece holds the other 2
and it's true for all of the pieces

[rugged phoenix]

Yeah I got it now

[idle pebble]

this should probably also mean it's scalable

[rugged phoenix]

True

[idle pebble]

like, beyond 6

[rugged phoenix]

Ignoring VS physics jank

[idle pebble]

but it might flex more

[rugged phoenix]

Not a bad thing necessarily

[idle pebble]

alr tested it, does work

(10 slot)

[rugged phoenix]

Nice

[idle pebble]

I added more slabs because it seemsed a bit flimsy

[idle pebble]

oh btw have you heard of our lord and saviour VMod?

[rugged phoenix]

Only yesterday

So I'm still figuring it out

[rugged phoenix]

Logical next step

[idle pebble]

basically there's a weld tool that makes all this cylinder tech useless, because you can just weld stuff together

[idle pebble]

lmao

[rugged phoenix]

I'm not going to use that

Sounds boring

But I've heard it also adds ropes so that's cool

[rugged phoenix]

And of course then comes

[idle pebble]

oh no

the fact it's removable honestly kinda scares me too

like who the hell needs more than one of those with a revolver 😭

[idle pebble]

yeah, ropes you can use as springs

[rugged phoenix]

Nice

[rugged phoenix]

And then finally the ultimate evolution

[idle pebble]

you forgot helicals

this shit

[rugged phoenix]

True

[idle pebble]

altho actually

that is a helical feed

[rugged phoenix]

But there is one thing greater

[idle pebble]

lol

[idle pebble]

wut is it

[idle pebble]

is that like a paintgun hopper but for ammunition

[rugged phoenix]

It has a bloody tank of bullets like the one from before but way taller

[idle pebble]

ah

[rugged phoenix]

All in a spiral arranged inwards

400 rounds

[idle pebble]

yeah spiral probably makes those mags helical feeds

cause like

it's a spiral that is also stretched in 3d or smth?..

[rugged phoenix]

Yeah it's like helical but instead of bullets pointing forward (cringe) the bullets point inwards (based)

Anyway it's 6AM I got to get some sleep

[idle pebble]

forward prob works better for a pistol caliber

[idle pebble]

good night

[idle pebble]

the amount of ships for that tho...

[rugged phoenix]

Probably, because rifle caliber is long and narrow and necks down

[rugged phoenix]

Probably not actually as many as you'd think

A single helical rotor could do it

[idle pebble]

maybe

but I meant with the bullets

[rugged phoenix]

Oh right

[idle pebble]

also imagine this drum around an even bigger gun in the centre

[rugged phoenix]

That ain't no Tommy gun anymore it's a whole Thomas firearm

[idle pebble]

lmao

[rugged phoenix]

That's not a colt python it's a colt anaconda

It doesn't revolve, the world revolves around it

[idle pebble]

I think I just found how to make the center wider for whatever purpose

[rugged phoenix]

Nice

Now we can double-stack

[idle pebble]

ehhhh

could only fit 4 chambers inside

[rugged phoenix]

Good enough for extremely impractical revolver design

Also you could always make another cylinder and fit it in the widened middle

[idle pebble]

nah, probably only a 4 rounder

[rugged phoenix]

Fair

[rugged phoenix]

First test revolving shotgun

it blew up in my face

experimenting with different powder types

wide ass spread lmao

[idle pebble]

Nice

[burnt rock]

how the hell does this work

like is the bullet a seperate ship or

[ancient dew]

ah yes good old physics gun, good luck with the hitboxes
to be honest idea is pretty solid... for idk nuclear mortars
if someday vs will have kinetic energy then fuck yeah go go 139013994 wide bullet

we are blasting tanks with apfsds 🔥

[rugged phoenix]

Yws

Lots of ships involved

The revolver was shooting buckshot as well

So lots of ships for the pellets

[rugged phoenix]

Good idea actually, I could make a slightly larger cannon that can shoot all sorts of different rounds

Oh wait I think I just reinvented the shotgun

[burnt rock]

Does the ship actually like… deal damage or just fling?

[idle pebble]

I mean it can cause suffocation for like a second if it lands on you, but otherwise nah VS doesn't have such a thing yet

[burnt rock]

Fair

[idle pebble]

Which honestly kinda sucks

But you can stuff it with explosives

Which would deal damage

[burnt rock]

Why not used a high resist material, a vs tourney sensor and a rapid tnt?

Anyway i gtg

[rugged phoenix]

you can put explosives in it

it also of course can knock airships into a deathspin and capsize ship ships

but regardless it unfortunately cannot meaningfully damage much

without an explosive or other harmful payload to carry

[idle pebble]

ehhh, if it has a eureka helm it's just not gonna care

[rugged phoenix]

yeah so basically it's about carrying explosives, gas, or maybe a drill

acturally yeah that could work

drill ammo

so it can penetrate armor like real bullets

[idle pebble]

anyway I wish ships had like a sim based on their material strength when hitting stuff

probably resource intensive and hard to code lol

[idle pebble]

drills aren't fast enough unfortunately(

[rugged phoenix]

I have a solution

[idle pebble]

double layer + a contraption with drills?

Create stickers to stick to it?

[rugged phoenix]

just run it above 256 lmao

besides, momentum should be enough that it can stick

if not I can put fans on the back

[idle pebble]

right... configs...

[ancient dew]

yeah basically railgun, but if some magician will add kinetic energy and breaking of blocks then fuck yeah, long live phys cannons
but for now its more of a giggly thing like look nuclear mortar without cbc:nuclear

[idle pebble]

bruh railguns use electromagnetism

[ancient dew]

yap yap yap fancy mortar
yes i do know how they work, but the most prominent example of kinetic warhead is either apds, apfsds or railgun/coilgun

https://tenor.com/view/railgun-railgun-projectile-railgun-test-railgun-demonstration-railgun-ballistics-gif-19417087

[idle pebble]

railguns are fancy promising future tech that ain't even used in actual warfare
Sabots are proven tech that's been around for more than half a century now
Railguns are a far worse example especially considering the fundamental differences

[burnt rock]

can you send me a list of the mods i'd need for this?

like the whole modpack

[rugged phoenix]

Railgun? A railgun is, in the strictest sense, a weapon that propels by the electromagnetic field generated by a simple rail circuit, but more loosely (which is a use I disagree with) can mean any electromagnetic propulsion of a projectile. Regardless, has nothing to do with the concept at hand.

[rugged phoenix]

The most prominent example of a device that fires a kinetic warhead is a handgun

[ancient dew]

lol indeed