Corroding and damage for sunken ships

[umbral elbow]

Example of a ship that has been more than 80 blocks underwater for more than 4 ingame minecraft months:

as they corrode, they should drop their material, polluting the water around

[umbral elbow]

and any parts that are not connected to the actual ship should seperate and become their own entity, allowing this to be recreated in minecraft

Me recovering a big chunk off of my ship, M.H.S. Melotania.

and finally

most obviously:

With my idea of any parts not connected becoming their own entities, this recreation of the break-up scene from the 1997 film "Titanic" should be much easier than completely rebuilding the stern of the ship.

Followed up by the fact that any ice block should be able to break the part of the ship that it touches, however doing so like a pickaxe and using the block breaking animation/texture as well in the process.

and also

something that has annoyed me since the beginning of time

if you make a large structure, it immedietly sinks, even without any openings.

If you didn't know why the ships sink and how they float,

watch Oceanliner Designs' video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJWdg9pp0O4

[sterile pendant]

But the reality is that this would be really annoying for most players, since your submarine or whatever would start dissolving over time. Its a cool idea, but also probably should be its own optional addon

[orchid stream]

yeah, or maybe some specific thing for corrosion, maybe without some block (eureka helm?)

[untold current]

Well, certain materials should have different corrosion rates (and may also have different corrosion states). Waxed copper blocks (and hardened planks from Create: The Factory Must Grow) for example, should barely corrode at all, compared to their unwaxed versions, which corrode easily.

[fallen dragon]

maybe make it a mechanic to need a sacrificial anode

to prevent stuff from corroding

[umbral elbow]

I'm saying that maybe we add an AI that detects the ship's angle and list position tyo determine if it is sinking, and they only dissolve if there are openings (Closed trapdoors dont count but open trapdoors do) but if you are in a submarine, then if you're 12,500 feet below water then you'll implode (Just like Titan, a Titanic viewing sub) but yes if it has openings and a very far ahead or astern lean or a far Port or Starboard list, then once it hits a surface, it corrodes

[ancient saddle]

Meanwhile, ships out of wool:

[umbral elbow]

I built summa those

but they actually floated

[ancient saddle]

That is weird

[umbral elbow]

I built Olympic class

[ancient saddle]

Because yes, wool is light, but when it's NOT wet!

[umbral elbow]

m i n e c r a f t

i t 's f # c k i n g s t u p i d

[ancient saddle]

Feature request:
make a wool soaking system

[umbral elbow]

nooooooooo Southblockton Harbour map.....

[ancient saddle]

P̶l̶e̶a̶s̶e̶ d̶o̶n̶'̶t̶

[umbral elbow]

i sold it on planetminecraft now itll die

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sea-dog-gif-10539169426521065658

me sitting while shipless

also if we do wool boats start sinking....

what purpose do these S.S. Titanic Lifeboats serve

[outer nest]

ok so

you want an ai

smart enough to decide if a ship is sinking or not

and you want said ai to constantly run

[boreal bluff]

imagine trying to get rocm or cuda to run in a minecraft mod efficeintly💀

[rotund valve]

MAKE YOUR OWN MOD

oops

sorry for caps

this is way big

[chrome marlin]

Ai is such an overused thing now, like it's not very easy to make one that sophisticated lol let alone run simultaneously in mc

[rain forum]

just use conway

[orchid stream]

Maybe adding a new durable block that does this? could be interesting for design stuff

[umbral elbow]

yes precisely

[sterile pendant]

thats... not feasable and would lag minecraft so much more than vs physics already does

[umbral elbow]

Only checks when a ship is present near a danger that can possibly sink the ship

When ship is in safe spot

AI chills

[outer nest]

define “a danger that can possibly sink the ship”

[umbral elbow]

1. Iceberg
2. TNT
3. Whirlpool (Realistic Water Mod)
4. Bows, Crossbows, & Skeletons
5. Torpedo
6. Piston (Could be part of a vanilla torpedo-like redstone contraption device)
7. Another Ship
8. A Plane

[outer nest]

define a torpedo, plane and ship

the algorithm needs to detect if something is one of those

how would that work?

[umbral elbow]

Another Ship= Another VS type Entity
A Plane= A Flying VS Entity
A Torpedo= Flying Machine (Redstone Device)

[outer nest]

oh?

so the algorithm has to constantly run

any time a ship is close to another ship

which is

most of the time

[umbral elbow]

Within close enough range to strike the ship (10 blocks)

Within close enough range to follow= no

but yes when it is close enough to strike

[outer nest]

if i shoot a ship with a cbc cannon from 20 blocks away

and it sinks

then does that mean the sinking ai shouldn’t kick in?

[umbral elbow]

Should detect all harmful entities within certain range

[outer nest]

if i board a ship

and break it with a pickaxe

and it sinks

should the sinking ai not kick in?

[queen wagon]

this would be better as an addon than an actual feature in the base mod imo

[umbral elbow]

Okay I can't really do that but the AI should always work when the ship is sitting lower than usual in the water and/or has a forward/backward/port/starboard list

[outer nest]

which is

still a large chunk of ships

either way

running an ML model or some shit

on even a single ship

[umbral elbow]

you should have a GUI pop up when the ship is merged putting you in a limbo between spectator and creative/survival called "Freecam". And it should let you select how low the ship is meant to sit by drawing a line of where it should be sitting, however, this does not change the ship's position.

[outer nest]

would still eat up performance

let alone multiple ships

[outer nest]

why not just set it at the bottom so that it never sinks?

[umbral elbow]

I JUST SAID THAT IT DOESN'T CHANGE POSITIONS!!!!

IF YOU DRAW A LINE AT THE BOTTOM IT THINKS THE SHIP IS ALWAYS TOO LOW!!!!

[outer nest]

also having to enter a gui every time you make a ship

to set a waterline

is mad annoying

and it would also fuck over automated ship assembly

[umbral elbow]

Never, not for nerds

[outer nest]

absolutely for nerds

there are ships

which have shit tons of individual vs2 ships

in order to make the whole thing work

imagine having to enter a gui for that

every time you assemble a ship

[umbral elbow]

If I'm a nerd (I am) I can make a autoclicker type thing to automatically set the waterline on ships😎

[outer nest]

no?

you can’t make a macro

automatically somehow determine water level

either way

this feature request requires 20 different hard to code elements

an entire ml algorithm trained to detect sunk ships

and itself doesn’t serve any practical use

despite the massive cost to performance and massive dev time

my final rating:

https://tenor.com/view/kickedoutofsuggesstions-gif-569061571572124483

[umbral elbow]

Dude, I was thinking....

If a ship is low enough underwater for darkness to render for more than 40 minutes ONLY THEN it rusts depending on its matierial

[outer nest]

so fuck submarines?

[umbral elbow]

No

[outer nest]

also define “low enough”

[umbral elbow]

Low enough to where the human eye cannot see the ship

[outer nest]

also most sunken ships wouldn’t even rust then

since they don’t rust in unloaded chunks

which is where there’ll be

most of the time

[umbral elbow]

Reeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaly?

Remember this boy?

[outer nest]

loaded chunks don’t exist irl

[umbral elbow]

Yes, I'm not dumb

Here is my idea

let me use MS Paint, gimme some time

[outer nest]

also the “depending on material” thing

doesn’t matter

since everything else inside the sunken ship

will rust anyway

[umbral elbow]

THAT'S SO SUBMARINES WORK YOU ARE BEING ANNOYING AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH JESUS HELP ME

[outer nest]

uhh homie

amigo

you might have noticed

that submarines are completely inside water

including all the individual blocks of a submarine

[umbral elbow]

WELL LET ME TALK AND THEN CONSIDER THIS:

ADD A SUBMARINE BLOCK FOR BUILDING THE SUBMARINES, IT WILL NOT RUST

[outer nest]

what about

literally every other part of the submarine

including the controls

and redstone

and propellers

[umbral elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-on-gif-27524073

I'm getting old here.

[outer nest]

genuinely

what part of

“submarines have insides that aren’t made out of rust proof blocks, that will rust”

do you not get

[umbral elbow]

Have you ever heard of physics? If there's no opening interiors survive

[outer nest]

ok so

i want you to describe

the algorithm

[umbral elbow]

If an opening happens the sub starts dying

[outer nest]

that will somehow detect if a block is the outside of a submarine

[umbral elbow]

WELL IM DRAWING IT WITH MS PAINT BRO

MS PAINT ISNT INSTANT

[outer nest]

oh?

you have a revolutionary new algorithm

which can somehow detect the outer part of a ship

in a way that doesn’t kill the game due to the massive performance cost

[umbral elbow]

Here is my idea:

Now take time to read, and leave me alone, damn it

I need peace after this bullcrap

[outer nest]

homie

amigo

pal

i’m not seeing the algorithm

[umbral elbow]

FINE

[outer nest]

which detects which blocks of the ship are the outside ones

[umbral elbow]

LEMME DRAW AGAIN, AND LEAVE ME ALONE!

[outer nest]

homie

that’s not an algorithm

[umbral elbow]

You think I know what one looks like? IVE NEVER TOUCHED CODING IN MY ENTIRE LIFE

ASK ACTUAL CODERS, NOT SOME IDIOT WHO CANT EVEN DRAW SOMETHING DECENT, NOW BUZZ OFF MAN

[outer nest]

well i am a coder

and what i can tell you

[umbral elbow]

THEN DO IT YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!

[outer nest]

is that an algorithm that does that well

doesn’t exist

[umbral elbow]

OH, SO I'M STUPID

[outer nest]

I’m not the one asking for that feature

[umbral elbow]

Yeah fine!

Call the entire f@%$ing thing off!

[outer nest]

you can delete the post yourself

also you don’t have to censor swears

this isn’t a roblox server or some shit