Ze Clockenworken Poll

[mellow panther]

read discord TOS again

[fleet panther]

never do that

[grand rain]

okay

[dusky scaffold]

thankfully, underage people are usually dumb enough to say they're underage

[winged plume]

javalava2 was kicked. | comeback in 2025

[mellow panther]

too bad they can't read TOS or even search up about thing like minimum age for Discord

[dusky scaffold]

allen second best mod

[coarse lodge]

W allen

[primal shell]

🙏

[coarse lodge]

whos the first

[mellow panther]

allen is efficient

[primal shell]

my alt

[coarse lodge]

🙏

[dusky scaffold]

Haz ofc

[coarse lodge]

guh

[dusky scaffold]

@primal shell can you ban @burnt oyster, they're @primal shell's alt

[primal shell]

I can't do that sadly

😈

[dusky scaffold]

womp womp :C

[dusky scaffold]

if spaceeye was a mod, they'd be the #1 mod

[primal shell]

fact ^

but he's busy working on vmod™️ so you guys have to deal with me for now

[mellow panther]

this is fine, you a re a good moderator

no 1984 in sight

[arctic geyser]

does not work

[digital dew]

Mf I'm kidding

[mellow panther]

too late he was kicked (and he might get terminated)

[arctic geyser]

it is possible

but

it is not that easy

[hazy flame]

I retract my argument you may or may not have been correct 😭

meant to reply to sukuna

[drifting hinge]

cucked

[mellow panther]

you need to make it more round

[arctic geyser]

?

[drifting hinge]

you heard me

[arctic geyser]

[arctic geyser]

but I didn't understand you

[drifting hinge]

you’ll learn when you’re older

[mellow panther]

minecraft let you do things as round as this

[arctic geyser]

it is too not minecrafty

[drifting hinge]

does block shape even allow rotated cubes?

i think they have to be axis aligned

[arctic geyser]

block shape yes

hitbox no

[mellow panther]

they are, you can rotate only on one axis to 22.5, 45 and 67.5 degrees

[mellow panther]

yes and no, if you consider the fact that we have fucking physics in the game with create by itself having many not cubic things

[drifting hinge]

isn’t block collision decided by block shape

[mellow panther]

not really, its made by the code which specify a set of hitboxes

and theses ones can't be rotated

[hazy flame]

[mellow panther]

look at the lectern model and hitbox

[digital dew]

Sorry lil bro😭

[mellow panther]

its not because of you, 12 years old are not allowed to be on discord that's why he was kicked

[drifting hinge]

voxel shapes can be directly converted to AABBs

there's no way they have orientation

[mellow panther]

yes that's what I said, or at least meant to say by that

[drifting hinge]

wait

i replied to the wrong message

[mellow panther]

you have to code the block hitbox within the java class

[drifting hinge]

voxel shapes can be directly converted to AABBs

there's no way they have orientation

[drifting hinge]

yeah

using voxelshapes

which don't have orientation

which i accidentally called blockshapes

[mellow panther]

Yes, and earlier I was giving an example for the visual block model, not the hitbox

the hitbox can't be rotated, the model can

[mellow panther]

hence this

the lectern has a rotated part for its model, but the hitbox is a bunch of AABBs that more or less follow the rotated part

giving it a "stair" effect on the top

[drifting hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[mellow panther]

we were saying the same thing from the beginning but we didn't understand each other

[digital dew]

Hitbox can be made circular using cubes (extremely difficult to do)

There are some furniture and decoration mods with extremely detailed and accurate hitboxes

[signal verge]

that lag you out

VoxelShapes are very poorly optimized

Like the old Clockwork Infuser used to use every part of itself as the VoxelShape so even looking at the bastard was laggy as hell

I optimized to be a more basic VoxelShape and suddenly I wasn't dropping frames sacrificed to the Rendering gods

[drifting hinge]

why not just

make it's voxel shape

a cube (singular)

[signal verge]

you could and i think e did? kinda forgot, think its either a single cube or 5 cubes now

[hazy flame]

[obtuse dagger]

Add a fricking jet engine

[hazy flame]

On skibidi

[hazy flame]

The jet engine is being reworked its coming in next update

[obtuse dagger]

For Clockwork Melting Point right?

[hazy flame]

yeah

😔

They said they will update us on the news with the update a few weeks ago but still nothing

most of them got school so you can't blame them

[obtuse dagger]

Good

[obtuse dagger]

No problem, i can wait until clockwork gets updated

Zen i got school too

[hazy flame]

Same, I got AP Exams this week

We need to patiently wait 🙏 and let them cook

[dusky scaffold]

thank you for the original suggestion

[agile sun]

🤓 but that’s not the direction clockwork is going

[cerulean knot]

I think they said somewhere that jets will not be added to clockwork because tbh jets don't really fit with steampunk/dieselpunk
If you mean the afterblazer, those will be sorta added back with melting point (exhausts)

[stone marsh]

yea thats what i meant

[cerulean knot]

Btw has anyone tried steam powered planes?

[obtuse dagger]

I tried diesel powered car

[cerulean knot]

That is not what I asked

[obtuse dagger]

Jk, i tried zat

[dusky scaffold]

yes

[cerulean knot]

Also me too

It worked but the suspension wasn't doing it's job well

[cerulean knot]

Was it a success?

[obtuse dagger]

Using mod Create: Diesel Generators or Create: TFMG?

[cerulean knot]

Diesel Gens

TFMG didn't work with a gun mod I had once so I kinda chose Diesel Gens, but I don't have that mod anymore so I guess it's preference?

In any case ik TFMG engines are slightly harder to make work

[burnt oyster]

🗣️

[obtuse dagger]

But for me i like tfmg because it has exhausts

I like the smoke

[naive geyser]

why ... just why

[cobalt wren]

The best: stufe
worst:Gyro,lags

[dusky scaffold]

what's the gyro issue

[cobalt wren]

The problem with it is that it does not centralize your vehicle enough (there is too much hemorrhage in survival)

[dusky scaffold]

well

it provides stabilizing forces

it does not stop rotation

you just need to either use the eureka helm or balance ur vehicles better

[cobalt wren]

I understand, but the slopes are still there, even though they are very small

[cobalt wren]

which ruins your concept a bit in some cases, because you won't be able to centralize it.

[woeful yacht]

I personally wish there was an easier way to create propellers of different angles so there is more flexibility in props

[violet matrix]

I wish there was some torque mechanism with the phys bearing because I've run into situations where I just don't have enough torque even with max rpm

[heavy folio]

Best feature: phys bearing
Worst feature: lack of dedicated block for suspension/universal joint

[arctic geyser]

It HAS circular hitbox

But vs still think it is cube

[digital dew]

Idk why it does happen
Vs fucks up a lot of hitboxes
Some of them even noclip to ground

[winged swift]

It does 5 blocks

Wrong link

#general message

@iron path

Also just realised yes it is 1984 SU, perfectly

Literal best car

[green cosmos]

Uhhhh probably favorite feature is the Gravitron, jsut so satisfying to use, and worst is probably just the current jankiness of prop bearings

[muted raft]

just add jet engines back 🙏

[cerulean knot]

IT'S FCKING PLANNED

#clockwork-🕛 message

[muted raft]

Oops 🤭

[queen moat]

well I think that my favorite feature would have to be the physical bearing, without which I'll unable to build wheels or other spinning physical things

but the least favorite feature is that as soon as you accidentally break the block that connect the structure and the bearing, the whole structure just falls off and unable to get it back on the bearing.

hope we could just keep it on bearing though we break the connect block, and use a special tool to remove the structure off the bearing instead.

[jagged sail]

kill the gyro

[vocal salmon]

Clockwork is such a brilliant idea, but it would be good if it was actually stable enough to play in a long term world because at the moment it breaks worlds soonr or later.

I guess it will get to that stage eventually

[rapid lake]

im pretty sure that's most of the point of the next update

[vocal salmon]

Is it?

[rapid lake]

considering it's going to be the release

actually that's kinda the point of this thread

to talk about things that could do with some work to make the mod more stable

[vocal salmon]

I often find that after a bit of time, physics objects start to move in a specific direction for no reason

also wings seem to act in a specific direction, making tails destablise aircraft and cause them to turn

[cerulean knot]

You don't make tails out of wings...

Use flaps

Flaps are literally meant to be used for fins and control surfaces

[wind token]

wool balloons

[vocal salmon]

oh my bad

lol

that explains a few things

[spare pike]

Would be great to have stable multiplayer! Good luck with your work

[stone marsh]

Wdym by stable multiplayer? Me and pals run it on our little server just fine

Larger populations have a bit of an issue tho

[rapid lake]

It’s fine but a little fucky sometimes

[mellow panther]

Let's say that making regular backups is a good idea

[lusty trail]

8

[granite locust]

Worst part is that stuff flies really fast and when you have some terrain mods your pc will be the thing that actually flies

[dark bobcat]

So damn true

[north finch]

is this shit still going?

[obtuse belfry]

The poll or the update

The poll is long over

People don’t use this thread for the right thing anyways

[outer fiber]

Best:I can make a fucking helicopter or airship and this can move
Bad:Bugs like when you have sodium buildings can disappear (for alpha thats ok)

[cerulean knot]

My pc doesn't like fast stuff even without terrain mods
I built a cruise missile once and it flew fast enough to go into unloaded chunks, stop for like a second or a few, and then start flying again when the chunks loaded in which took like a half of a second

[delicate bane]

baloon

[cloud vale]

I'm late, but TBH I wish the propellers could be scaled to be way stronger or some kind of jet engine could be added. Trying to build a helicarrier but it's just not possible.

We could also really use hyper-buoyant blocks for floating vehicles. Possibly a processing chain for rubber that could be used for grippy and aesthetically pleasing tires, as well as envelopes for rafts and boats?

Also a far-future addition but jet/rocket engines would be fantastic. I want to build a spaceplane with RCS quads and engines strong enough to make you black out.

Possibly composite wings that are thicker and more aerodynamic (but much more expensive)?

[thorn barn]

fellow space realism fan

still waiting for that patched-conic approximation addon

[cloud vale]

I'd also love wings/flaps/sails being integrated into one block, but that's one, impossible from a game design aspect, and two, probably a nightmare to add lol

Yeah I'm stoked for minecraft becoming Bad Kerbal Space Engineer Piggies Program

[thorn barn]

lmao

[unkempt river]

"What's your most favorite Clockwork feature?"
Honestly, despite how limited, making cars/tanks is pretty neat, I hope we get more support for land vehicles in the future. Proper wheels, tank treads, etc- And maybe some way to get bearings to have some kinda suspension physic, just to ease bumpy rides.

"What's your least favorite feature?"
The Entirety of all features being real expensive to get into.
I get it, some parts of the mod are really powerful.
But I'd like cheaper alternatives / the ability to at least make a boat early game, possibly even right at the start, even if it has to be small or risk moving way too slowly if too big.
Sure, I could use Eureka for this, but then the problem is how easy Eureka makes it to get an airship, and that you need next to no power to make a vessel move.

All in all, to lock it behind a rare material and a lot of end-game-y materials just doesn't sit right with me. I know I can use CraftTweaker to address this, but That's a lot of effort for devices that're gonna look weird because their design won't match what recipes I could give them.. And honestly, having a cheap, weak alternative to most devices would just be nice.

[drifting hinge]

tank treads
...those are already a thing???

#about-trackwork

[unkempt river]

Meant something moreso apart of Clockwork..
Hard to put in words. 3rd party thing that hasn't been updated in months?
Granted, the guy could be holding off until Clockwork's next update, but.. Still-

[arctic geyser]

#1220814495551590430 message tank treads

[obtuse belfry]

We don’t stand for Endal slander

The man is trying to wheel

[covert wraith]

1: Make flap bearings work with Physics bearing to make easy and smooth rotations for cars (Currently they just lose all torque and colision)
2: Make flap bearings rotation customizable from 11.25 Degrees to 45 degrees
3: Replace flaps with windmill sails
4: MAYBE add a Friction metter and Weight meter to know the friction and weight of every block
5: Make the small ship assembler a real thing for survival or as a Clockwork feature

[fleet panther]

wdym under 1st?

[covert wraith]

If you try to rotate a Physics bearng with a Flap bearing, it looses all torque and collisions

Is an annoying bug when trying to make a car that steers like... a Car.

And forces to use a bigger and clunkier way

[fleet panther]

not a bug

and it probably won't be "fixed"

because there isn't much reason to fix it

[covert wraith]

Cool.

[mellow panther]

1. and 2. would probably be better as having some kind of servomotor, since flap bearings are not meant to be used like that AFAIK

[covert wraith]

Afaik???

[mellow panther]

As Far As I know

[covert wraith]

Ah yes

[obtuse belfry]

Why are you using a flap bearing

That which it’s sole purpose is to be for rotating flaps

As steering

[fleet panther]

well, it would be pretty useful if it worked like that

[obtuse belfry]

[covert wraith]

Then what else can i use for easy rotation with only 2 redstone signals and is compact???????????????/

Theres literally no other option that does good rotation, intuitive or small

[rapid lake]

I mean

Something other than a flap bearing but for steering would be neat

Something just locked at 2 angles (preferably some that you can set) that can turn with 2 redstone signals

[obtuse belfry]

…so a sequenced gearshift?

The flap bearing is just a two-in-one gearshift and bearing

On redstone impulse turn left on redstone impulse turn right 💀

[winged swift]

cars are complicated

toy car are simple

clockwork car has so many moving parts it isn't even reccomended for anyone letalone beginners

[drifting hinge]

i mean

suspension-less cars are pretty easy

[winged swift]

though if you are interested then here's a design

it doubles as an iq test too <3, as Thea put it

[drifting hinge]

it’s pretty easy to make a non efficient steering mechanism with some pistons and a bearing

shoving it into a small space is hard

but that’s for weirdos

[winged swift]

😟

b..but car-sized car

[drifting hinge]

normal car size is 4.5 meters x 1.8 meters

meanwhile the chassis takes up 8x3 meters

so

all is lost

normal cars are unattainable

[winged swift]

:[

[obtuse belfry]

Clockwork will have an update focused on cars and wheels eventually

Endal is also making wheels for trackwork I think

So

Melting point is scope creeped enough

[wind kettle]

If they're going to function the same as trackworks tracks, then I don't care.

[cerulean knot]

Except for half tracks
Which are in fact
Not as cool as phys wheels

Objectively

[hazy flame]

Clockwork adds a lot of creativity

The new update is going to be fire fr

[digital dew]

Half-assed cars are cooler

[digital dew]

Yippee

[cerulean knot]

They might be easier
But they are nowhere as cool!

[digital dew]

#1238227033755095040 message

[cerulean knot]

Phys can drift too yk

If it's built for drifting

[digital dew]

Not me idiot 😭

[rapid lake]

it backfired

[wind kettle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1220784204636356770/1220784274257743953/ezgif-4-cd60dd9545_V4.gif

[digital dew]

Noo not me again 😭

[kind crane]

https://tenor.com/view/fich-drehender-fich-certified-fich-bunnyran56-bunnyran56-fich-gif-2494747943682487771

[winged swift]

Seeing this being spread around warms my heart

Especially cause that took way too long to make, way way too long

[kind crane]

The gif broke

[robust nebula]

Balloons from old versions, so you could build airships more easily.

[rapid lake]

me when #clockwork-🕛 message

balloons are already being added back lol

asking doesnt achieve anything

[gentle halo]

Don't know if this is already addressed, but...
It would be cool for a propeller bearing to be capable of changing rotation axis, like helicopters are. So it would be easier to to build one

[cerulean knot]

You will not believe it

But

The gyro will get that function in the new update

Like it will change the pitch of the whole thing

That's not really what you originally requested, I know

But what you requested isn't how irl helicopters work either, so shush

[gentle halo]

Nice.

[dusky scaffold]

not how helicopters work, but you can just place a propeller bearing on a physics bearing

[vocal mica]

huj

[arctic geyser]

do not swear

[ripe warren]

Make it so if you fan through a blaze burner it makes a jet

Probably a better way of implementing jets, especially since if you give it a blaze cake it goes from mild jet to rockets

[fleet panther]

they won't do that

[coarse lodge]

lame

that idea sounds very cool too

[fleet panther]

[coarse lodge]

what?

[fleet panther]

not really

imo

[coarse lodge]

it also locks jets into the nether

[arctic geyser]

It doesn't work like that

If you blow a candle, does it become flamethrower?

(Example)

Btw, to make thrusters you need fuel and oxidant

So idfk how frosting was able to run afterblazer

Lmao

[cerulean knot]

To be fair, blaze burners are superheated entities confined in a cage
A base for a scramjet

[arctic geyser]

I told you it is example

Flamethrower ≠ jet engine

[cerulean knot]

Air is an oxidant
There were no intakes tho

[cerulean knot]

Maybe the oxidizer is premixed
Which irl would make a REAL fire hazard

[arctic geyser]

No it's not

[fleet panther]

frosting was mixed with oxidizer

[cerulean knot]

So I was correct?

[fleet panther]

maybe

[dusky scaffold]

well

there was

[fleet panther]

or maybe it just works on magic

[arctic geyser]

Air is one of the worst oxidant ever

[cerulean knot]

Yes but it didn't do anything

[arctic geyser]

100%

[cerulean knot]

What, you suggest LOX tanks?

That's rockets

Jets have air intakes

[arctic geyser]

But I mean thrusters

Not jets

[cerulean knot]

Then yes you need a dedicated oxidiser

But

Not because air is bad at oxidizing

Because there's no air in space

[arctic geyser]

Ok

But I don't mean rocket thrusters

[cerulean knot]

Then what kinda thrusters

[cerulean knot]

Aren't rockets the only ones that have on board oxidiser storage?

[cerulean knot]

That's a jet

They're air breathing

Because they fly through air, a free oxidiser

Yes it does have a lot of unneeded other gasses other than oxygen

But it's just better to use air than have a separate tank for oxidiser on a jet

Damn am I so dumb that I'm not worth talking to

(

[arctic geyser]

Ok nvm

I thought it just NEEDS it

Thank you for disabusing me of my mistake

[cerulean knot]

idk what you mean but you're welcome

[cerulean knot]

What needs what

[ripe warren]

Well my bad I meant use a fan to blow a fluid into the blaze burner, or you could have the fluid hooked up to either the fan or blaze burned

[arctic geyser]

Thruster need oxidant

I thought

[sweet temple]

Improve the gyroscopes please

they are both my favorite and my least favorite addition

they are super useful but the issue is whenever one is balancing your aircraft with a slightly off center center of mass it just starts gliding in some direction

in the case of ships you lose steering left/right by turning off a rotor

[fleet panther]

that's just physics

[sweet temple]

Which is broken

[fleet panther]

no?

how is it broken

[sweet temple]

Ah yes a gyroscope that makes a propeller stand on a 0 degree axis makes it propel itself forward

[fleet panther]

make a video or smth

[sweet temple]

imagine a 3x3 block with a propeller in the center

one stone block on the front to offset balance

and a gyro at max rpm to balance it

despite the top propeller facing perfectly upwards with no tilt due to the gyroscopes influence, the ship will drag in a direction

[fleet panther]

it's pretty much impossible for it to face perfectly upwards

[sweet temple]

which defeats the purpose of a gyroscope no?

[fleet panther]

no

why would it

nobody said that it's perfectly precise

[sweet temple]

irl you have flight control systems that makes your aircrafts stabilize and hover over a chosen point

in a videogame you don't have this so you'd expect a gyroscope to second for it

[fleet panther]

and gyroscope is not that system

[sweet temple]

yeah it should be

[fleet panther]

that's your opinion

[sweet temple]

it should not drag when you give it enough juice

[sweet temple]

Yeah I'm convinced asking the playerbase to program flight controllers is a very accessible and acceptable method of stabilizing

[fleet panther]

gyroscope is also only stabilizes rotation, not drift

and it shouldn't do it

[sweet temple]

A gyroscope shouldn't do that either by your logic

Because a gyroscope reads tilt

Doesn't make things sit upright

Realism has already been thrown out of the window in the first place

[fleet panther]

that's just because sterner named it that way 🥱

in any case, some other block should prevent drift, not gyro

[sweet temple]

As long as there is a solution I don't care honestly

But having drift makes the gyro useless since you need to make the center of weight appropriate regardless if you have it or not since otherwise you can't control your ship

[fleet panther]

it's not useless

🤦

[sweet temple]

How so?

You still need to center the center of mass to make the ship controllable, how is this different than not having a gyro?

[fleet panther]

it's made to stabilize rotation, not whatever you want it to do, and it does it perfectly

ok, not perfectly but well enough

[sweet temple]

Chief

Do you read what I am saying

If you still need to center the weight without the use of a gyroscope to have control over your ship

Then you don't need a gyroscope on that ship in the first place

[drifting hinge]

physics mod players met with their hardest challenge yet

basic physics

[drifting hinge]

no?

[sweet temple]

Me omw to explain to casual users that they should just program a flight control unit in lua to have basic quality of life functions

Thank you this has been very constructive

[drifting hinge]

a ship with a perfect center of mass can still change it's pitch and roll

the point of the gyro is to resist said rotation

[sweet temple]

So its for adding functionality to a ship with a good center of weight

How useful.

[drifting hinge]

have you ever... made a vs2 ship?

[sweet temple]

Yeah

[drifting hinge]

center of weight is not that hard to do

[sweet temple]

Yeah if you want a static piece of unmodular ship

placed a crafting table? Oops forward drift

[drifting hinge]

when i was making a waterwheel powered helicopter

i just made a gold weight in the middle

and it fixed all my center of mass problems

had to increase rpm, but that's about it

[sweet temple]

Maybe rename the addon to "create: valkyrien computers; propellers" since you need that to use any ship with an off center of mass anyways

[drifting hinge]

i mean

if you really hate physics that badly

#eureka is that way

[sweet temple]

For a community that continuously makes fun of aeronautics you guys really hate quality of life features

[sweet temple]

No I hate programming

I'm not going to implement a pid library in a scuffed cc interface to have fun with an airship for god knows how long

[drifting hinge]

so then just put a gold/iron/stone/whatever cube in the middle of your ship

so that you don't have a scuffed center of mass?

[sweet temple]

works if your ship is light enough

[drifting hinge]

aero doesn't even have the equivelent to a clockwork gyro

[sweet temple]

creates different engineering problems like thrust

[fleet panther]

well, they have uuh

[sweet temple]

cool if you use a creative motor but otherwise not very nice

[fleet panther]

endstone thing

[sweet temple]

They do

[drifting hinge]

it only resists vertical movement according to their ponder

[sweet temple]

They have propellers that automatically balance structures from top and bottom

Its been in their ponder library for years

[drifting hinge]

that's worse though

[fleet panther]

it was all movement, no?

[drifting hinge]

since it only works if you're using propellers

[sweet temple]

Its really not lol

Its for balancing

[drifting hinge]

if i wanted to make an ornithopter

the gyro propellers would be useless

but clockwork gyro would be extremely useful

[fleet panther]

it also breaks some laws of physics iirc

[sweet temple]

Dont care

Its a videogame

[drifting hinge]

aero has a wiki???

[sweet temple]

I play it to have fun not program PIDs

[fleet panther]

huh

[fleet panther]

kinda stupid that it's only up/down

[sweet temple]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1024749476776267788/1102700694181527683/gyro_propeller_ponder.mp4?ex=664b10cc&is=6649bf4c&hm=99588ab0c7bab56adad58143f46038bcda6dddbccc043721fcea72cf8800a1ed&

[fleet panther]

you can also just make an anchor or smth

[sweet temple]

Yeah with the uhh

Stickers?

That exist?

[fleet panther]

you don't need stickers for anchors

[sweet temple]

Great now think of all the other things you can't use for it lmao

[drifting hinge]

what?

[fleet panther]

you know how anchors work?

do that

[sweet temple]

How do you propose to make an anchor without ropes

40 block pole piston?

[fleet panther]

well, you can make a scuffed rope with phys bearings or just use vmod lmao

anyways 🥱

[sweet temple]

So another feature clockwork doesn't have

[drifting hinge]

what point are you genuinely trying to make

[sweet temple]

Are you seeing a pattern yet

[fleet panther]

well, it probably will

[drifting hinge]

shit

[fleet panther]

eventually

[drifting hinge]

i didn't respond to the right message

[ripe warren]

Damn

[sweet temple]

That the mod locks basic quality of life features

[drifting hinge]

aero doesn't have a gyro

so

🤷‍♂️

[sweet temple]

And developers being wholeheartedly against adding them

[fleet panther]

and also i forgot that i'm in clockworks poll

[fleet panther]

no

who said that

where did you read it

[sweet temple]

Okay then why have you been arguing against me instead of saying "we know that's an issue we will implement it"

[drifting hinge]

what

wdym we

mf

we're just random vs2 members

[sweet temple]

What addon is space eye developing

I presumed it was clockwork

[drifting hinge]

#about-vmod

[fleet panther]

you've asked to improve gyroscopes

i've replied that there is no reason to

not that other QOL improvements won't be implemented

[drifting hinge]

least clockwork brain rotted vs2 member

[sweet temple]

The guy has a developer role so I jumped to conclusions

In any case if you aren't a clockwork dev then you should place your input elsewhere since they are the final judges

but no lets instead argue in poll chat

[drifting hinge]

potato hasn't touched this channel in like a week

i don't think it matters

[sweet temple]

Strawman

[drifting hinge]

https://tenor.com/MLUz.gif

[sweet temple]

Arguing on the presupposition I propose that potato checks the chat or you supposing potato will not check it

That's what a strawman is

[drifting hinge]

i was trying to argue that caring about talking in poll chat is kind of pointless

but aight

[dusky scaffold]

has someone suggested cc-vs yet

you want a flight control system, make a flight control system

[sweet temple]

I'm sure that will be a great user drawing campaign

imagine an ad banner
"Valkyrien Skies Clockwork"
"Disclaimer: any ships without a centered mass of center requires the following; lua programming skills, high-school mathematics skills and coding prowess"

[dusky scaffold]

i mean, or you can just use the eureka ship helm

[sweet temple]

Imagine a scale from 0-100

0 represents ease, 100 represents difficulty

now imagine that you don't have to make a mod thats either 0 or 100

[fleet panther]

or balloons when they return

[sweet temple]

but something in between

crazy i know

[dusky scaffold]

the gyro is in between lol

[sweet temple]

The entire argument above is complaining about gyro

It adds drift

you can't anchor with the current clockwork either

[dusky scaffold]

yes, so balance ur ship under the gyro-

[sweet temple]

oh so make a center the mass

[dusky scaffold]

never intended to be a feature that ik of

[sweet temple]

the exact thing I complained about like 3 minutes ago

[sweet temple]

stickers existed

[fleet panther]

it doesn't add anything, that's just physics

[sweet temple]

It's an imperfect gyroscope

so it adds drift

[fleet panther]

it doesn't add drift

your propellers add drift

[dusky scaffold]

the center of mass can be offset, as long as the gyro is over it-

[fleet panther]

[sweet temple]

grammar (ww2 german word)

thank you for arguing semantics this is very constructive input

[fleet panther]

indeed

[fleet panther]

also, ^

[sweet temple]

so you need a centered mass to not make it add drift

[dusky scaffold]

also for corrective input and altitude maintaining, that's middle school math

[dusky scaffold]

rq

[sweet temple]

rq?

[dusky scaffold]

have you ever used a gyro or a gyro top irl

[sweet temple]

a gyro irl doesn't provide counter force

it reads

motors do

so don't quote irl for something that doesn't exist irl

[fleet panther]

🤦

[dusky scaffold]

they try to keep the thing up bc momentum and all that, but if it's offset, they drift-

[sweet temple]

Thea

I am not arguing this is not how it should be according to the laws of physics

I am arguing that it shouldn't be this way because its inconvenient as fuck

You must understand by now that people willing to code shit on computercraft is already an incredibly niche part of the minecraft community

[dusky scaffold]

so you just want something that'll hold the ship in one place and not move?

[sweet temple]

I want something or somethings that can make a ship that doesn't have a centered center of mass be functionally equivalent to another that does

make it one block, multi block, difficult stress requirements, I don't care

[dusky scaffold]

[sweet temple]

just whatever makes it possible

[dusky scaffold]

eureka helm

[sweet temple]

eureka helm is braindead

[dusky scaffold]

so is anyone that can't figure out how to center mass on a gyro, or do middle school math with lua

[sweet temple]

middle math school is below that 80% of the population of united states is capable of mind you lmao

[dusky scaffold]

bruh

[sweet temple]

adding quality of life doesn't deteriorate a mod's quality

you don't need to make a mod 1 block solution

base create is a good example of that

everything is a 1 block solution in itself but it needs to be put together to work

you don't need a god gyroscope that gives your ship creative flight or some bs

[dusky scaffold]

I look forward to that not being added

[sweet temple]

don't make 0, don't make 100 go make 60 or something

[sweet temple]

It will

lol

[fleet panther]

well, it probably will be though

[sweet temple]

unlike you guys the authors aren't self centered elitists

they want to appeal to mainstream audience

[fleet panther]

🥱

[dusky scaffold]

oh

[fleet panther]

you don't know them

[dusky scaffold]

kontraption gyro

[sweet temple]

I do know potato

[fleet panther]

nor their goals

[sweet temple]

I have spoken to him before personally

he has previously also said he wouldn't add a gyroscope

but here we are

[fleet panther]

them

[sweet temple]

oh no anyways

they/them/ze/xim/zer/xdsöfsd said that he wont add a gyroscope before

but still did in the end

[dusky scaffold]

why are you like this

[sweet temple]

I am trying to be constructive in an environment where all of the criticism is complaining about tone, semantics and berating the substance of the argument itself

As much as I'd like to have a better quality argument the chance isn't provided

[dusky scaffold]

you are making fun of someone's identity, that is constructive??

anyway imma go ask alex to make a tournament gyro

[sweet temple]

I am making fun of space not potato

[fleet panther]

[sweet temple]

Also don't victimize people who aren't here

Potato can correct me

[fleet panther]

well fuck you then

[sweet temple]

@dusky scaffold then you ask why I am like this

[dusky scaffold]

uh huh

[dusky scaffold]

spaceeye corrected you on something and you were a twat abt it

why

[sweet temple]

Man is just a contrarian picking at things

He makes fun of me I make fun of him

Equivalent exchange

[fleet panther]

where though

[sweet temple]

You've been picking at semantics for half of the duration of the argument

[fleet panther]

🥱

[sweet temple]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-breaking-bad-falling-pain-sad-gif-20448687

my reaction when: 🥱

[thorn barn]

My argument when 🤓

[vast leaf]

Phys bearings are my favorite, since I have to use them as tracks aren't 1.20 compatible. However I have a problem with bearings slipping too much. I don't even have to torque to drive over an incline greater than 1 block every 9 (with a run up) over my 13 block wheelbase. For now though, I can add a propeller inside the hull. It gives the slight nudge needed for the wheels to rotate, and makes slight terrain (almost) traversable. For reference, it was then able to climb a 1 block every 4-5 blocks (with weight reduction) after the change

Not to mention, if wheels already have physics, then they fall off when I infuse physics to the hull. Or sometimes if the hull is already phys infused, I can't glue my wheels before activating the bearing (no idea why this happens as I failed to replicate just now)

[glass gulch]

Gravitron is my favorite because I like building cubes and flying them around while standing on them. I am a simple man.

[dark bobcat]

Phys bearing because i can make propellers that dont lose their power with height. Fuck propeller bearing.

[austere acorn]

but thats how propellors work,,, thats why prop planes couldnt fly very high…

[opaque topaz]

my Best would be the proppeler bearing because funny flane go nyoom

[polar roost]

waiting for trackwork to come on 1.20.1

https://tenor.com/view/sad-pablo-lonely-alone-gif-12928789

[vast leaf]

Honestly

[dusky scaffold]

not clockwork related

[winged swift]

So is this thread now honestly

[obtuse dagger]

Me waiting the melting point is released be like : https://tenor.com/view/luluwpp-gif-25648350

[cerulean knot]

They said late June so uh

Late June I guess

[obtuse dagger]

Hm okay

[keen valley]

Possibly early July
202X

[cerulean knot]

lol

More like 20XX

Still sooner than Aero tho

[vast lodge]

Melting point > shitaero

[keen valley]

I am thrilled to visit this discord at least fifteen times daily for the next year looking for updates
In case a dev sees this:
I love you please continue doing this, take all the time you need 😘

[obtuse dagger]

forget aero

it never released

[cloud vale]

Is aero actually dead? Because a ragtag dev team (no offense you guys are great) have made a mod of similar if not greater quality in a fraction of the time

Did they give up or are they still trying to polish their mod into oblivion

[fleet panther]

dead? probably not

[fleet panther]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ check their discord

[cerulean knot]

To be fair, the clockwork team already had a physics engine for them, all they really needed to do was add the blocks to the mod

[gloomy cargo]

I just want clockwork airships again.

[rapid lake]

aero isnt even related to clockwork lol

people keep comparing them while not accepting that they arent really made to be compared

this is part of the issue of why there's so much discourse between the 2 communities

people genuinely come to this server because they just dont want to wait for aero to release

(the laughing stock of both communities)

[gloomy cargo]

I don’t understand what you mean, genuinely. I see videos of old Valkerian skies-Clockwork airships. Clockwork is on Curseforge and described as adding airship functionality. Am I missing something?

[fleet panther]

no

clockwork is currently being reworked

so no balloons

[gloomy cargo]

Right. That’s all I was saying, was that “man I just want airships back”

[rapid lake]

huh

were you replying to me or something?

[polar roost]

tournament exists for a reason tho

[lone oar]

which dev team?

[drifting hinge]

i wouldn’t exactly call vs2 devs “a ragtag team”

diode is a professional software dev

and also the guy who made the c++ physics engine this mod uses

as well as a large chunk of vs2 and vs-core

[drifting hinge]

also wdym fraction of the time

[ripe warren]

i came cause i wanted to mess with physics, but im also hyped for aero

[drifting hinge]

if you count valkyrien warfare (the original vs) they’ve been working on vs2 since 2017

[dark bobcat]

No

[night jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-rizz-rizz-gif-11157824601050747846

[winged swift]

why is that HD

[night jackal]

:3

[winged swift]

thanks for the gif I guess

[obtuse dagger]

and by the way, when is the Clockwork Melting Point rekeased

[raven marten]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-tm-soon-space-gif-23401891

[obtuse dagger]

-_-

[cerulean knot]

This perfectly describes it lol

[fickle adder]

don't look up ||the letter R and the sqrt of 1156 in gifs|| folks, there's a specific minecraft gif that will psychic attack you

[dusky scaffold]

thank you for the free gif

[raven marten]

np

[cerulean knot]

Nice gif

I like it

👍

[thorn barn]

https://tenor.com/view/skyline-gtr-r34-gif-24757045

Found it

[obtuse belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/r34funny-gif-26042996

this was the first gif for me

[cerulean knot]

Nah what are those

[arctic geyser]

Why are you looking for it

[austere acorn]

weird necroposting but they said they are purposefully leaving people in the dark rn as to not generate any hype and would rather people forgot about the project until it releases

[dusky scaffold]

💀

[fleet panther]

actually yeah, i saw it lmao

though doctor4t videos kinda contradict that no?*

[dusky scaffold]

yeah-

[mellow panther]

Completely, given all the views they get too 💀

[austere acorn]

no its so ofd

odd

cuz like

they said theyre not releasing any public announcements but if u want to know that its still being worked on u have to ask

and if u ask their community dogpiles u

its so funny

[old dome]

For what?, their mod not releasing In like 8 years?

Funny

[austere acorn]

its because everyone asks abt the status of the mod

so they all get really rude

i tried saying like, if everyone keeps asking ab the status maybe update people…????

[rapid lake]

they're under no requirement to update people on it

the same logic applies to asking about a release date
if everyone keeps asking about it then why not say one?
multiple reasons
mainly because they just dont want to lol

[dark bobcat]

Wdym? If you ask for the date of release, they just use a /trick on you and move on.

I've never seen someone shit on others just because they asked where is the new content

[rapid lake]

oh yeah
that too, they just have a bot to tell you a copypasta

[old dome]

https://tenor.com/view/face-change-reaction-gif-26159977

aero devs when you ask them about updates

[rapid lake]

using skills of object permanence (like humans naturally have) you can deduce that lack of progress reports does not 100% correlate with a lack of progress
-# if you dont see it, then it doesnt mean it doesnt exist

the only times that people have been "rude" about it is because of others making the assumption that no progress updates is equal to no progress at all, which you'll usually see people either talking about how ignorant that assumption is or just simply say that there is progress and they havent found anything to post about

after all, package delivery services dont inform you of every single step they take
they just say the important stuff (or the stuff that you'd want to hear)

in fact a lack of progress reports could mean they're even closer to finishing the mod then you'd initially assume
if they dont talk about new stuff that they've added then maybe there just isnt anything new that they want to add and they're just working on fixing a ton of bugs or tweaking a few random things

they wouldn't say every bug they've fixed, it would be completely useless for the community to know as nobody has used the mod yet

it is a reasonable question on its own and sometimes the devs do give some progress reports
but it's usually just a better look at something that they've talked about before

[dark bobcat]

[rapid lake]

they do quite a few reports of random shit they've done when people ask
but they dont ever post a list of stuff

[rapid lake]

this however is the type of stuff that people say in the aero server that gets them figuratively dogpiled

it's just straight up rude and creates the assumption that just because another completely different and differently sized dev team going at a different approach for a different mod with completely different interactions with the game released a similar mod quicker than another completely different and differently sized dev team going at a different approach for a different mod with completely different interactions with the game then they're better in some way and that the slower working devs are doing something wrong despite the fact that they are in fact different mods and thus comparing them in such a way is extremely rude and comes off as if you're choosing sides

or just comes off as being impatient, which neither communities like very much

also just straight up the logical fallacy of faulty comparison

(not trying to be rude, this argument that usually devolves into comparing VS and Aero is just insanely irritating to watch play out whenever someone in either communities brings it up and most people are just really tired of it)

[austere acorn]

woah bro

whole essay

📮

[rapid lake]

[rapid lake]

talks about people being rude with responses
talks about the amount of words in a response rather than the actual response implying that you didnt read it, and being rude yourself

[austere acorn]

dude i literally just woke up i was expecting a like 3 sentence response my fauly

fault*

[rapid lake]

fair enough

[austere acorn]

Thats the problem

[austere acorn]

Not true, they tell me anytime my package moved

[rapid lake]

they tell you the package moved
but not how many inches

[austere acorn]

people check the progress reports channel not to see if theres any new stuff coming to the mod but to make sure its still being worked on

[austere acorn]

it literally tells me whenever my package moves from a sorting facility onto a truck and where the truck went

[rapid lake]

yeah
important stuff
not how far the truck was from the facility

condensing it to the stuff you'd actually reasonably need to know

[austere acorn]

yes it updates me daily on whether or not its on a truck or not

i will get a message telling me where my package is every day at like 12

and when i dont get a message its reasonable to assume there is something wrong

my problem is not that they arent writing progress updates constantly, but that they set a precedent of writing progress updates every 3 months or at least updating the community on the status of the mod no matter how small

then fell off the face of the earth for 8 months being rude with anyone who assumes that they stopped working on it because this was the first time that they had broken that pattern

i mean the whole mod is run by a bunch of teenagers

[rapid lake]

i strongly doubt that

considering that most of them have full time jobs

[austere acorn]

COMPLETELY NOT APPLICABLE. they complain about how people keep asking about the status while saying that they purposefully didnt say anything for 8 months

release date and working status are 2 different things

hey we’re still working on it, everythings going pretty good!

vs

its coming out so and so

[rapid lake]

did they really say that they intentionally said nothing for 8 months or did they just not have anything to talk about

[austere acorn]

they literally told me they intentionally said nothing for 8 months

its a really shitty move

like i understand why because they explained it to me but it still doesnt make much sense

[austere acorn]

they said they want to intentionally keep people in the dark as to not generate hype

and then they told me that if u want to know the status of the mod u have to ask

but if u ask out of concern that the mod isnt being developed anymore they have their community dogpile u in a super rude way

i think its a super retarded decision and could have been handled differently so people dont keep asking about it

and then they dont have to complain about people asking about it

because like thats the only reason theyre being rude is the fact people keep asking about it and i proposed that they leave a little message to let people know that its still being worked on although no progress reports have been written

because progress reports do not correlate to a strict release date, and even more so with a message reassuring the community that doesnt live in the server but still care about the project that it is still being worked on

the solution they gave me if i wanted to know if its still beign worked on is that they leave messages in general and dev sometimes

which i think is absolutely unreasonable to expect peopel to sift through thousands of messages for reassurance

[rapid lake]

well, the response of a community is not directly a result of the creators
so phrasing it as if it is a purposeful decision to have the entire community be rude to you about it seems a bit bad faith towards the devs
and talking about actually doing work on the mod in general or dev pretty much undoubtedly confirms that they are in fact working on the mod, but yeah it is a little annoying to need to search to see that they are working on it

[austere acorn]

the devs were super passive aggressive towards me about this subject and did not reprimand people for insulting me for asking these questions, the devs apologized for it though.

the people that live in that server r so rude to people that care about the project its annoying

its like they form these parasocial relationships with the devs and feel the need to valiantly defend their honor or some odd shit like that

[rapid lake]

as you've explained that they've broken a set pattern by not posting in 8 months, the solution you've said would also break a set pattern that they had for what is and isnt in a progress report
but another solution would be for them to use the blog that they created for exactly this purpose
they havent updated it in a really long time

[austere acorn]

not really, before they started writing actual progress reports it was little messages about how the teams doing and that the mod is still being worked on

full on progress reports were super recent

OH

i didnt read it allo

but yeah like i 100% agree idfk why they havent update it

its super retarded what theyre doing and it seems like its moreso coming out of laziness to respond for the community theyve built than an actual plan

it seems like the whole “oh we’re keeping everyone in the dark” was more an afterthought

at least with how theyre handling it

they could have let people know that that would have been the last update for a while instead of just dropping off the face of the earth

[rapid lake]

i feel like a more reasonable thing (not to say asking for progress isnt) to ask would be if they could use the blog more as that would be generally considered a proper criticism instead of a question that can sometimes be mistaken as impatience

[austere acorn]

definitely

thanks for having a nice civil discusion with me i appreciate it

much better than passive aggressive remarks about finding something else to do

speaking about no progress updates, at least what aeronautics has done is better htan the actual create team... idfk when that shit is updating or whats even coming

the only leaks or sneaks we get for that is from the artist

which hasnt posted create stuff since like early last year

[rapid lake]

yeah, there are quite a few responses ive seen to other questions that are pretty rude
this community isnt really innocent of it either

[vast lodge]

Air resistance for sails

[rapid lake]

that would be neat
too bad they dont check this thread anymore

[vast lodge]

Yeah, sad

[woeful yacht]

I mean with the shit show it turned into I don't blame them lol

[obtuse belfry]

Actually

There is air resistance in general

There was a showcase of it a bit ago

[old dome]

Myth busted

[obtuse dagger]

add a nuclear bomb

[vast lodge]

Add grimace shakes with dabolyeew rizzinating aura

[obtuse dagger]

add a mob named "kai cenat"

[dusky scaffold]

can we kill this guy

[old dome]

you have my vote

[rapid lake]

You have my vote too

[silent notch]

i

https://tenor.com/view/kill-killer-gif-25518110

[obtuse dagger]

-_-

[gilded oasis]

hello thread that no one sees

[green cosmos]

i see it

[kind crane]

I see you. I see the sins you have committed. I see the pain you have suffered. I see your beginning and your end.

I see your browser history.

[cerulean knot]

lmao

[mellow panther]

As a wise man said once, “A clean browser history reveals more than a full one.”

[kind crane]

• Sun Tsu probably