updated t-80

[devout monolith]

Internals done by @nimble lagoon

another picture

Balanced against the #1196309075844149309

[thorny idol]

There is a distinct lack od red eyes

[devout monolith]

that is the t-90 iirc

[thorny idol]

Does the T-90 not have the red eyes / E-war shit on the front of the turret?

I forgot what they were called.

[devout monolith]

this is the t-80

Has like 1

eye thing

idk I forgot too

t-90 does have them red eyes

[balmy harness]

blud didn't read the 80

[balmy harness]

lil bit back heavy but it shouldnt be a problem right?

[devout monolith]

Yuh

I think it can be fixed

imma let diehard do that😂

[balmy harness]

prolly a heavy block in the front but a heavy back could be an advantage for hill climbing

[thorny idol]

Ah, i didn't memorize my russian mbts

lmfao

[devout monolith]

yea

I think its the engine

big ass steam engine

[balmy harness]

https://tenor.com/view/steam-tank-total-war-warhammer-the-empire-warhammer-total-war-warhammer-fantasy-gif-19312094

steam engine tank be like:

[nimble lagoon]

Yea ill try readjusting the powerpack

[astral bobcat]

Whys it look like a t90m lol

[nimble lagoon]

Dude

Almost every russian/soviet tank is similar

On the outside at least

[full raven]

Because Corruptovich sold the real T-90m parts for Vodka then slapped some cope cages around a T-80 and called it a day.

[nimble lagoon]

Bro what 💀

[full raven]

Why do you think all Russian equipment looks like the previous generation and is also slightly worse somehow?

because the guy in charge at the factories took Putin's money and bought vodka instead of tank parts

[astral bobcat]

Their using t62s 💀

[devout monolith]

only for like mobile arty iirc cause they have a lot of ammo for them

🥶 at the end of the day a big gun is a big gun

[astral bobcat]

They addong era to them

Same with t64s 💀

[devout monolith]

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[nimble lagoon]

well i definetly wouldnt say the T90M is worse than a T72 B

or a T62

though corruption in the russian defense industry is prominent

[full raven]

theoretically better

it takes a pretty big debuff from the corruption

probably not quite water in rocket fuel tank level of debuff

[nimble lagoon]

not theoretically, there are numerous videos of T90M's being attacked by bradleys and actually surviving with its whole crew intact, its clear while it could be better, the T90M has improvements where it was advertised

[full raven]

but it's a pretty big debuff

[nimble lagoon]

I can send the video if you want

[full raven]

You know what, that is fair. I by default just meme on Russian hardware since Russian hardware never quite get close to the performance they advertized

which may not be totally fair to them

[nimble lagoon]

sadly true

a lot of actually good soviet designs were cancelled in the cold war because of the cheapo generals

[astral bobcat]

found one where in 10 mins two brandlys knock out a t90m

[nimble lagoon]

yup that one

i was actually surprised they survived and the tank didnt pop, and it still remained mobile

they suspect the bradleys knocked its optics out

[astral bobcat]

still a technical kill

but better none the less

[astral bobcat]

damm

just found one that popped from a atgm

and a seccond later

[nimble lagoon]

not that one

thats a completely diff fight

[astral bobcat]

yeah

[nimble lagoon]

from the footage, the atgm hit the T90's unprotected side and directly hit the carousel

no relikt 💀

[astral bobcat]

and its suppsoed to be the most advanced

[nimble lagoon]

kinda weird they dont use bustle autoloaders like the T84 BM Oplot

[full raven]

good thing the create mod version can't turn into jack in the box

right?

[astral bobcat]

i meann

doo doo egg cartons for era

[nimble lagoon]

russian corruption at its finest 🤷

[full raven]

cardboard armor, the greatest armor technology

[astral bobcat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UW7qaF4vOI

[full raven]

Komrad Korrptovich, this is not what I meant when I said komposite armor panels

[astral bobcat]

they hit the t90m with a kornet atgm then finish it off with molotovs

[nimble lagoon]

the T90 didnt pop from the kornet?

tf

yea when in doubt molotov it

[astral bobcat]

crew fled anyway

[nimble lagoon]

i would too

[astral bobcat]

fr

[full raven]

autoloaders on tanks is a design trap, outright.

[nimble lagoon]

carousel autoloaders are

not bustle

[astral bobcat]

well the one on the type 10 is pretty good

[full raven]

yeah, that

[astral bobcat]

dosnt the leclerc have one too

[nimble lagoon]

yea

[full raven]

aren't there other disadvantages to the other autoloader designs as well?

[nimble lagoon]

well there are disadvantages to manual loading as well

every design has its downsides

in the end a tank is a compromise between many factors

[astral bobcat]

yeah

[full raven]

maybe drone warfare is the future

[astral bobcat]

a tank is a tank

[astral bobcat]

i mean their working on anti drone systems

like using aps systems to use the kill projectile to counter drones

[nimble lagoon]

a drone cant capture points and protect infantry the way armoured fighting vehicles can, thats why we continue to use AFVs

[full raven]

I know that they are also reinvestigating direct energy weapons for dealing with drones and other munitions and small aircrafts

[nimble lagoon]

yea small lasers can defeat drones pretty eassily as well

[full raven]

but what about larger automated platforms?

[nimble lagoon]

theyd do it better?

the thing is, drone warefare is so prevalent in the russo-ukraininan war because neither side has air superiority over one another

so essentially drones can run free

if this was the US say for example, theyd have already set up area denial zones before an assualt

[full raven]

yeah, that checks out.

what about stuff like Northrop Grumman X-47B UCAS? I know that DARPA is looking into flying the F-35 with unmanned consort units like the X-47B

[nimble lagoon]

well unmanned F35's arent exactly going too great so far

still a lot of issues to iron out before theyd even be considered in a real war

[full raven]

not unmanned F35, consort units, like this boi

[nimble lagoon]

didnt you say that was unmanned?

[full raven]

afar, the only case of unmanned F35 was when the poor sod ejected while the plane is on autopilot and they couldn't find it for a while

unmanned consort units

they were investigating having a regular f-35, directing a series of fighter UAVs

[nimble lagoon]

i guess it could work? It'd be very expensive and would be quite vulnerable to jamming

somtimes even just a few SPAA's can be incredibly effective against drones, ukraine has been using its Gepards to great effect

[full raven]

the US definitely have countermeasures against jamming, especially with how long the US has been flying UAVs at this point, especially the MQ-x drones like the Predator and Reaper

[astral bobcat]

i mean there the xq58 valkerie

[full raven]

the expensive part is a given

[nimble lagoon]

In all fairness those are against men in flip flops

Not sure if they have advanced jamming capabilities

[full raven]

they did managed to spoof the GPS signal once to trick a UAV into landing in the middle of the desert once.

and you know how the US military is, once something happens once, they'll throw a budget the size of the moon at the problem so that it never happens again.

[balmy harness]

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