Terrain-Robust Agile Control Kinematic System

[tribal ginkgo]

[obtuse dragon]

what the devils ?!

[tough fox]

that's my boy 🥹

(i had zero role in this)

[noble meteor]

bro dropped a mind boggling create video and refused to elaborate further

[earnest wraith]

...Is it finally time for ground vehicles?

that aren't ridiculusly large, that is

[ivory furnace]

how

[white quarry]

It's probably its own mod.

[onyx tusk]

ok, this is gaming

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mc-mahon-falling-in-chair-surprised-wwe-gif-7810711

[floral sequoia]

it is going

[white quarry]

HOW

[earnest wraith]

It looks a little jank but hopefully some things can be smoothed out so this thing can release/be possible at some point relatively soon.

[elder kraken]

wtf?!

[grim stream]

[CBC release] we have peaked

[tough fox]

tank tussle rebirth 🙏

battle of mid ii

[quasi maple]

🥶

[tough fox]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-moly-gif-2379897567703251318

[grim stream]

@tough fox

[tough fox]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-my-kingdom-cum-cumming-nutting-fail-bursting-gif-23625735

[grim stream]

fuck it map of unbekanntland is in order

[quasi maple]

🥶

[tough fox]

full tt worldbuilding goes hard

[quasi maple]

.25 losses

[grim stream]

we already have half a crewmember

[quasi maple]

3.5 crew members

now its 3.25

[grim stream]

fuck it. ship battle spinoff will be called "The Not-So-Happy Time"

[tough fox]

a war map with those tank figures and pusher sticks but each figure actually does just represent one tank

[quasi maple]

how does it work

[elder kraken]

That one crewmember got sewed in half

💀💀💀

[tribal ginkgo]

damn

[floral sequoia]

it going

it went

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-moly-gif-2379897567703251318

[grim stream]

wait whose creation is this

if this is actually your stuff in VS then grats

[noble meteor]

sick

[tough fox]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-my-kingdom-cum-cumming-nutting-fail-bursting-gif-23625735

[grim stream]

also, how does track motion work here?

[vivid nebula]

Oh my god

[ivory furnace]

where find blocks?

[white quarry]

What's the block name of the tracks?

[prime lagoon]

Oh whoops,
suspension_track
phys_track

[prime lagoon]

Power it like a chaindrive

[ivory furnace]

how to make it work?

[prime lagoon]

Oh whoops, i forgot to fix rendering on flywheel

/flywheel backend off

[white quarry]

How do I assemble a ship with it without the game freezing?

[prime lagoon]

🤔 logs?

[tribal ginkgo]

damn

finally

tracks

[ivory furnace]

it's awesome

[tribal ginkgo]

huh

it even has that uuh

jiggle

smh who even needs belts as tracks now

put it on curseforge or smth

[prime lagoon]

My guy the items don't even have textures

[tribal ginkgo]

doesn't matter

[ivory furnace]

вообще похую

[quasi maple]

Cool asf 😎

[earnest wraith]

I need to check this out for myself, this is great so far and I can only see it getting better

[obtuse dragon]

Oh my hosh

[earnest wraith]

Either I want this as it's own new addon, a feature in clockwork, or for you to become a dev of Traction/Buggy. As I could be wrong but idk if there's anyone else working on it or not.

I think I was half asleep and confusing multiple different things as I wrote this. My sincere apologies, especially to the buggy/traction devs who do, in fact, exist and have been working, that I somewhat insulted by insinuating they had nothing. When in fact I just didn't look hard enough prior.

[tribal ginkgo]

bruh

[obtuse dragon]

Lead dev 😭

[quasi maple]

💀

[ionic sundial]

__**I'm want to be a clock**__

Why I should be on the CIockwork team

• I have a good understanding of java.
• I know how to write minecraft mods
• I have some great features I want to add.
• Development has been extremely slow
• I have a lot of time to work on the mod
• I know kotlin
  Those are my reasons of why I should be on the cIockwork Development team.

[quasi maple]

💀 💀 💀 💀

[uncut hawk]

🤤 thanks

[elder kraken]

Dont mind if i do

https://tenor.com/view/wildfireuv-gif-26390378

[floral sequoia]

have you ever had a good take on anything, ever

[foggy ferry]

u better polish this up cus dayum shits cool

me likey

[quasi maple]

what is the diffrence between physics and suspension tracks

[hoary girder]

endal you are FUCKING INSANE

i didnt even see this until now

[quasi maple]

@prime lagoon how do i add the belts

[prime lagoon]

/flywheel backend off

I fucked up the renderer I'l fix it in a moment

[hoary girder]

so you put a phys tread on either side of suspension treads in a single horizontal line?

[hoary girder]

and then it becomes like this?

[prime lagoon]

Yes

[quasi maple]

they are now invisible for some reaosn

[quasi maple]

uhh that made the tracks invisible lol

[prime lagoon]

HUHH fml what rendering/optimisation mods are u running

[quasi maple]

ohh i think its the performace mods nevermind yeah

[prime lagoon]

do tell me which one isit

[quasi maple]

rubidium extras

and its max entity distance

which is entity culling

[prime lagoon]

oh, that one that is sorta incompat with VS2

[quasi maple]

yeah i turned it off

[dry pelican]

my computer doesnt like downloading this

[tough fox]

endal how could you

[foggy ferry]

Based

[tepid kelp]

me when

[prime lagoon]

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/7242193377bc05629157474dc3594d70b9b5cd49f25aefddc35a35d0caf21b75?nocache=1

[dry pelican]

👍

[prime lagoon]

bro didn't even bother to double check

you should still check your downloaded file just incase

[prime lagoon]

~snip~

[ivory furnace]

Fix the tracks colisions on the ships with smaller or bigger scale

[prime lagoon]

can you give an example with illustration/video?

[ebon crescent]

Whoa

[ivory furnace]

one sec

[ivory furnace]

scales: 0.5 and 2

[prime lagoon]

yeah nuh uh not gonna support ship scaling

[ivory furnace]

you will

[ebon crescent]

How did you put text on jt

It

What mod is that

[ivory furnace]

in this mod https://legacy.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/steel-armor-blocks/files/all

[ebon crescent]

Ohh

[ivory furnace]

@prime lagoon after re-entering to the world, phys_track on the ship disappears

[winged jacinth]

hey, I don't understand what I did wrong, can you help please?

@ivory furnace покажешь свой модлист пожалуйста?

[torn smelt]

my tracks r not visible

and im using

rubidium and iris

is it because of those mods?

[torn smelt]

it was from rubidium

[winged jacinth]

Vs 1.5.2? Valkirien skies?

[ivory furnace]

всм

[winged jacinth]

Чего-то в этой жизни я не понял. У меня не заходит в мир, при этом моды какие есть у меня, есть и у тебя

Хрень какая-то

[ivory furnace]

из за trackwork наверное

ты в старый или новый заходишь?

[winged jacinth]

Я вот который в этом чате скачал

[ebon frigate]

how to get the items

[ivory furnace]

ну trackwork

[winged jacinth]

Да

[ivory furnace]

write to the inventory search 'track'

[ebon frigate]

kk

[ivory furnace]

в старый или новый мир не заходит?

[winged jacinth]

Новый

[ebon frigate]

man i have been waiting for tracks for so long now

[ivory furnace]

хз тогда

[winged jacinth]

[ivory furnace]

тебе ошибку выдаёт?

[ebon frigate]

trackwork go brr

[pliant smelt]

My goodness, this is absolutely amazing :D
Awesome work Endal!

[winged jacinth]

Логи скинул. При заходе в мир игра крашится

[ivory furnace]

Из предоставленного лога ошибок можно выделить несколько важных моментов:

Отсутствующие файлы mods.toml:

Есть предупреждения (WARN) о том, что некоторые моды (например, fmlcore-1.18.2-40.2.13.jar, javafmllanguage-1.18.2-40.2.13.jar, lowcodelanguage-1.18.2-40.2.13.jar, mclanguage-1.18.2-40.2.13.jar) отсутствуют файлы mods.toml. Это может привести к проблемам с загрузкой и взаимодействием модов.
Отсутствующий класс:

Есть предупреждения (WARN) о том, что не удается найти некоторые классы (например, dev/ftb/mods/ftbchunks/data/ClaimedChunkManager, com/sonicether/soundphysics/SoundPhysics и другие). Это может указывать на проблемы с загрузкой или зависимостями модов.
Ошибки загрузки модов:

Наблюдаются ошибки при загрузке некоторых модов. Например, "Error loading class" указывает на проблемы с классами, что может быть связано с неправильной установкой или версиями модов.
Ошибки в адресе ресурсов (Assets URL):

Наблюдаются предупреждения (WARN) о неожиданной схеме в URL ресурсов (Assets URL). Это может быть проблемой с определением путей к ресурсам модов.
Прочие предупреждения:

Некоторые предупреждения, связанные с отсутствующими классами или файлами, могут быть причиной проблем при запуске.
Для устранения проблем рекомендуется:

Убедиться, что все моды сопоставлены с правильными версиями Forge и Minecraft.
Проверить, что все необходимые файлы mods.toml присутствуют и правильно настроены для соответствующих модов.
Обновить или удалить моды, вызывающие предупреждения и ошибки загрузки классов.
Проверить, что все ресурсы и зависимости корректны и находятся в ожидаемых местах.
Также полезно обратить внимание на официальные форумы или страницы сообщества модов, чтобы узнать о возможных проблемах совместимости или решениях для конкретных модов.

[winged jacinth]

ChatGPT, bruh

[ivory furnace]

пох

[prime lagoon]

Update your VS2 version from modrinth

[pliant smelt]

Sweet!

[torn smelt]

I love this trackwork

it runs on diesel

[ancient path]

This is insane

[ebon frigate]

W mod addon!

[ancient path]

Facts

Wait

@prime lagoon

Did u make this

[uncut hawk]

yes

[ancient path]

U did?

[uncut hawk]

no

endal did

[ancient path]

Hmmmm

I was gonna ask if he was going to port to 5.0

[uncut hawk]

😭 @prime lagoon u did me dirty this aint on 5.0?

[ancient path]

It could work

But it’s veeeeeeery unlikely

And I’m outside rn

So can’t test

Any brave soul willing to test this

For the greater good

Aaaaaanyways

Petition for vs to add this as a feature

Like rn

[ancient path]

U also lose ability to use interactive

Soooo

https://discord.com/channels/244934352092397568/1189933075006759075

Help me out here

[ebon frigate]

tracks go brr

it would be good if fans can work too

[uncut hawk]

they do

they always did

they are just shit at carrying anything more than a wood block

[ebon frigate]

WHAT

simple wasd controller

[ancient path]

Do u have a side view

[ebon frigate]

yes

[ancient path]

I would raise the idler one more block

[ebon frigate]

hmm ok

but thats just the design

i basically wanted to make one with flat tracks

[ancient path]

I mean do what you want

But if ur going to use this for functionality

It I’ll be better

[tough fox]

how the fuck does endal not have a post under

45 likes

or something

maybe none under 50 after this one gets up

[elder kraken]

hes based

[prime lagoon]

You don't understand how fucked up the transition from 5.0 to 5.1 was so no, its not on 5.0

[uncut hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/862040631710318642.gif?size=96

[prime lagoon]

VS2 has also moved from 5.0 so I can't choose anyway

[uncut hawk]

fair

sucks that clockwork rn is shit on 0.5.0

[elder kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[ancient path]

There is nothing we can do

[tepid kelp]

how do you make the tracks connect

i may be stupid

[hoary girder]

put them all horizontally

and then assemble

[hoary girder]

mad bc jet builder

[prime lagoon]

Put it on a ship...

I gotta fix that though

[tepid kelp]

ah

[tepid kelp]

game crashes whenever i place a phys track on an assembled ship

The game crashed whilst ticking block entity
Error: java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: 'void org.valkyrienskies.core.apigame.physics.VSWheelCollisionShapeData.<init>(double, double, int)'

this is my mod folder

[prime lagoon]

thats incredibly convenient that your names are truncated just shy of the important number for the vs2 file so

[prime lagoon]

update your VS2 version

[tepid kelp]

2.1.1 beta 3 is outdated?

[prime lagoon]

get the latest beta 3...

[tepid kelp]

mk

[prime lagoon]

istg I need to put that on the reqs so the game vibe checks you and not me

[tepid kelp]

this one right

[prime lagoon]

yes

[tepid kelp]

alr

[ebon frigate]

5.1 ruined my hardcore world

[pliant smelt]

Good thing you have backups when working with experimental mods right :P

[ebon frigate]

well abt that...

i did not make backups

1 year of progress and headaches gone

reduced to atoms

[pliant smelt]

:( rest in peace that world then
lesson learned

[ebon frigate]

yes

the unloaded cunks got corrupted

and its void

rip villages

[pliant smelt]

could maybe use some tools to delete the chunks you dont want, i've heard such things exist...
GL

[shy elm]

dont work, error "1"

[prime lagoon]

get out

[shy elm]

me? but why?

[ebon frigate]

unknown error

thats why u need to get out, cuz modpack incompatibility

[shy elm]

no, my launcher says error 1

[ebon frigate]

error 1 is unknown modpack incompat

[shy elm]

secnd

[prime lagoon]

#1166488016936763524 message
#1019674227579813910

[shy elm]

maybe I need to reinstall VS2 from curseforge

[earnest wraith]

You need kotlin for forge, as you'd know if you read the linked support thing

Please do so

[shy elm]

oh i forgot

thanks

[foggy ferry]

@prime lagoon how do i do this (the structure is not assembled rn)

[tribal ginkgo]

assemble it

[foggy ferry]

and is this configuration possible?

[tribal ginkgo]

[prime lagoon]

No the blocks have to be in a line (like chaindrive blocks), but I'll be adding bigger wheels next update

[ebon frigate]

thank you

[foggy ferry]

so like this and then i assemble it?

[ebon frigate]

i assembled it beforehand

[foggy ferry]

shit u cant even glue it, it says selected blocks must be connected

[foggy ferry]

yea seems like imma have to assemble first

[prime lagoon]

wait wuh, create glue doesn't connect them?

fml

[foggy ferry]

bruh

i assembled, placed the tracks and got this

[prime lagoon]

.

[foggy ferry]

oh ic

[prime lagoon]

Anyone wanna make ponders for this and save me every other day please feel free

[foggy ferry]

les goo

[foggy ferry]

and now i just power one of the sprockets?

[prime lagoon]

you can also power the suspension blocks, but idk if I'll keep that

[foggy ferry]

nah just keep it to the sprockets in the next update

[ebon frigate]

endal, make a discord for this

i wanna get announcements for this its amazing

shalz needs to know abt this, its such a great addon

[prime lagoon]

atleast let me add bigger wheels first...

[ebon frigate]

okay

i will make miniature tanks that are steerable

[foggy ferry]

@prime lagoon my tank can pivot in either direction just fine, but it cant move forward or back even when the tracks are moving

[prime lagoon]

F3+B?

[obtuse dragon]

lmk when i should pin another build

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1173620656030621747/1186730189586190487/ezgif.com-resize11.gif?ex=65944f9d&is=6581da9d&hm=df7a5656fb739eee66bd16d7cbf9e578adcd3266a0b3b53430e3d82b74eb87ed&

[ebon frigate]

[earnest wraith]

Gonna have to try this out, see if I can break it. (probably yes)

[ebon frigate]

lol

[prime lagoon]

uh... I can't tell what's the problem here, could you dm me a video or smth

[ebon frigate]

trying to create mini tanks using pekuhi and mini ship assembler

[foggy ferry]

k

[prime lagoon]

I should probably open a channel inb4 this thread has 300000 comments which is just support

[tribal ginkgo]

btw when code? 👀

[prime lagoon]

when I feel like it

[earnest wraith]

Is there a particular reason we shouldn't use this in an existing world? Just curious, I have enough worlds for testing various pre-alpha stuff.

[tribal ginkgo]

[prime lagoon]

its super ugly and you'll regret looking at it, trust me

[tribal ginkgo]

smh

just don't be like potato pls

[prime lagoon]

its more of an idiot-proof warning for those who have no clue whats an alpha

[earnest wraith]

Ah ok

[prime lagoon]

but I do not and will not regret breaking existing worlds inbetween updates in these iterations

[native carbon]

to be fair, that is more than in your right to not feel anything for breaking little timmy's 1 month world because he can't read

alternatively, little timmy wouldn't even know that this server exists

[prime lagoon]

you clearly haven't seen the sheer quantity of little timmies posting "why crash" anywhere they please in this server

[quasi maple]

can we have encased suspension blocks or somthin of the sort case rn its just a line of shafts sittin there

[prime lagoon]

line of what

[grim stream]

when do we get british WW1 tanks

[quasi maple]

landship ah tracks

or for french heavy tracks

[uncut hawk]

🤔

[uncut hawk]

goes crazy in bf1

[grim stream]

basically what we already have, that's easy

[quasi maple]

its angled and has to be small

[prime lagoon]

ah there we go, the questions that I knew would come back to haunt me

The answer is 42, because that's not the right question

[quasi maple]

i mean is basicly the same as the landship tracks just longer

[green thorn]

A prototipe ....

[winged jacinth]

Please keep it. With it we could build BT tank series

[grim stream]

will we get smoother suspension blocks 🗿

[obtuse dragon]

god i love this

[tough fox]

will we get different types of suspension

torsion bar, coil, etc.

[prime lagoon]

that's... not how it works but a good point

[quasi maple]

yo i can try and make the ft-17

[prime lagoon]

GUYS ONE QUESTION PER DAY PLEASE

[quasi maple]

💀

[grim stream]

@tough fox TT2 will be real in 5

[tough fox]

today is my turn guys

[prime lagoon]

wdym

[tough fox]

i'll host another one and nobody will join again

[prime lagoon]

I might add visual models, its kinda easy but I'm lazy

[grim stream]

uh when the tanks go up a block the suspension kinda just jumps up

i mean then again it's MC soo...

albeit again smoothing would be interesting, but otherwise the suspension works fine for now

[prime lagoon]

that's an unresolvable point unless you want tanks that take 5s to climb everytime it hits a block

[quasi maple]

if you want tracks that are more than 1 wide you get left with alot of emtpy space

[prime lagoon]

once I add suspension models that'll be fixed

[quasi maple]

ok ok

[grim stream]

how did you make the tank treads work is my question - how do the treads move when contacting the ground

because every time I think of wheel and tread physics I always wonder what's stopping you from making the thing faster by adding more treads

[prime lagoon]

raycasts (this.level.clip) my beloved

[prime lagoon]

the key to track physics in games is all smoke and mirrors

[prime lagoon]

nothing is real

only the player's enjoyment

[tepid kelp]

e

[grim stream]

so It Just Works (TM), good to know regardless

[prime lagoon]

oh you mean power distribution, for this mod I assume all tracks are to be used, so if you have extra track blocks just sitting on your tank that saps your power

[quasi maple]

if it works it works

[grim stream]

does the tank become any faster tho?

[tepid kelp]

it just gets faster with rpm i think

or slower

[prime lagoon]

right now I don't have power implemented, so 256 RPM would give you 256 RPM no matter what you put it on (if all tracks touch the ground)

[grim stream]

no, like, if your tank was sitting on multiple treads, would it go any faster if you added more

assuming you used the same RPM

[tepid kelp]

so is 1rpm equal to 1 block per minute

[prime lagoon]

no 1 rpm = 0.525m/s for small wheels

[tepid kelp]

got it

[prime lagoon]

that gives a max speed of about 40km/h at 256 RPM

trust me you don't want to go faster

[tepid kelp]

yeah its kind of a pain controlling it past like 150 rpm

[prime lagoon]

nope, tracks on the same ship are distributed together, whether they're connected or not

but if you have weird shit like articulation then all bets are off the table idk what would happen (I don't want to know)

[tepid kelp]

welp time to bring on cbc and make a tank

[grim stream]

ok, thanks for the answer

This doesn't require CW btw no?

[prime lagoon]

other than the teeny tiny detail that 50% of my code is clockwork but renamed, no

[quasi maple]

trackwork🥶

[prime lagoon]

latest VS2 has all the create mixins built-in anyway

[ebon frigate]

how is it so fast

[prime lagoon]

I was thinking of putting this on the tooltip but then I realised, how are you gonna see the tooltip when the thing is going 30km/h

[tepid kelp]

i put the motor on 256 rpm

[ebon frigate]

its much slower for me

oh my design is wonky thats why

[tepid kelp]

figuring out how to do neutral steering took an alarming amount of time

[ebon frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-wrench-tools-gif-15755257

[tepid kelp]

me at my computer

[prime lagoon]

I might add a differential to help with this, but I have doubts if people can figure out how to use it for this

[ebon frigate]

uhh what

https://tenor.com/view/bcfd-monkey-confused-gif-5786043144724365138

[tepid kelp]

i may sound stupid but whats a differential

[floral sequoia]

google is ur best friend

[tepid kelp]

ah

[ebon frigate]

alr how do i make it stay up

[foggy ferry]

I think rifty already said something abt this, and im sure you'll have this fixed for the next update, but you cant have 3 block high tracks as of now, they just sag back down to the 2 block height

[prime lagoon]

uhm

yes, yes lets go with that

[ivory furnace]

@prime lagoon can you add the ability to change the height of the tracks?

[prime lagoon]

yes* that is planned

[ebon frigate]

will you also add variable height? because i got a cool idea

[tough fox]

STRIDSVAGEN 103

RAHHHHHHHHHHHH

[prime lagoon]

how the fuck do I even- create doesn't have hydraulics people

[noble meteor]

lol

[ebon frigate]

well with redstone signal

[tough fox]

create doesn't have hydraulics people
that's where you come in

[ebon frigate]

like that the phys tracks can be powered

[prime lagoon]

no, I'm not gonna add another redstone block that you need to build around so driving forward doesn't make your gun elevate and turret turn right

[ebon frigate]

ok

[prime lagoon]

but I will consider it in the future if some gospel of god reaches and blesses me with an entirely new mechanic

[earnest wraith]

Well, it works. I think the only issue with the thing I built is that I don't know how to effeciently set up a redstone control system.

Also, in the process I found a base vs2 bug, that being snow accumulating on ships. When the ships are in a not snowy area. Probably, the part of the shipyard the ship is in is a snow biome according to game logic.

[prime lagoon]

free snow

[earnest wraith]

I could just settle in a snow biome if I wanted that...

[prime lagoon]

I just thought of a cursed idea that could make it work but I'll add it much later

[obtuse dragon]

this is cock and it lacks everything

[obtuse dragon]

@prime lagoon teeny tiny itty bitty issue with the schems

[prime lagoon]

issue closed: fixed by #696969

[obtuse dragon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1173620656030621747/1186730189586190487/ezgif.com-resize11.gif?ex=65944f9d&is=6581da9d&hm=df7a5656fb739eee66bd16d7cbf9e578adcd3266a0b3b53430e3d82b74eb87ed&

[tribal ginkgo]

💀

[quasi maple]

@prime lagoon maybe make tracks stronger than 0.70 lol

theres a bug with the sprocket where the shaft can be placed verticly

[prime lagoon]

FUCK

[tepid kelp]

damn thats weaker tahn a mechanical belt

[quasi maple]

yeah and it powers it verticly lol

and the suspension wheels dont have a break particle

sprocket does

[earnest wraith]

I have discovered interestingly that "suspension wheels" can recieve input rotation

Which looks wack tbh

[quasi maple]

gonna be fixed

[prime lagoon]

finally the bug reports coming in geez

[earnest wraith]

Wait was what I said a bug?

[prime lagoon]

technically, depends on how I wanna do it

any input on the mod at all really

[tepid kelp]

making the tracks have a stress thingy might help bc rn you can move a tank with a hand crank

[quasi maple]

just make it not connect like cogs ig

[earnest wraith]

Just the front and back ones seem like they should get input rotation tbh

[prime lagoon]

planned...

[prime lagoon]

next update I'll disable powering the suspension wheels and that'll be the status quo for now

[quasi maple]

aight

maybe tho fix the particles for the suspesnion wheels

[prime lagoon]

aha, found the function

[quasi maple]

nice

[prime lagoon]

that's kinda hard

well, maybe, depends on how I do the suspension model

[quasi maple]

set it to some other block

idk

could always set it to like andesite casings

[prime lagoon]

no I'm gonna add the stupid arms

[quasi maple]

ohhhh

[quasi maple]

the supension things

[turbid vault]

holy fuck

I genuinely didn't believe this was possible in VS

[white quarry]

also my game crashes when I assemble a ship with treads on it instead of putting the treads on after assembling it.

[devout haven]

daymn

first time seeing this

kinda insane

[elder kraken]

i would join

tt looks so fun

[lavish umbra]

is the alpha the latest file?

[hoary girder]

hey @prime lagoon, any chance you can make the treads have more resistance? it's easier to have them not be armored that much on a tank, and if it's really easy to shoot them with cannons, that would make things difficult

[earnest wraith]

Also, could just be that I'm using heavy blocks, but the treads dont seem to have great traction ironically.

[white quarry]

They have no hitbox to entities 😳

[hoary girder]

rn they are easily broken by autocannon fire

[hoary girder]

?? they have great traction

you have to use them right

[earnest wraith]

I saw someone commenting on the tracks being able to accept input from the top. It's not working like that, and I'm trying to have that happen before it's patched for... reasons. Any ideas?

Ok so it didn't like something I tried to do

might or might not be track-related but the game crashed, I accidentally disassembled a cannon contraption on a ship with treads and the thing hard crashed, says "exception executing server tick" or something like that I don't remember exactly

[prime lagoon]

Logs my guy give me the LOGS

[prime lagoon]

Yeah I've already changed the number its simple

[prime lagoon]

...they get hit by autocannon what now what the fuck

[prime lagoon]

NO LOGS???

[winged jacinth]

same issue

@prime lagoon

[prime lagoon]

Oh this issue

Fixed

[winged jacinth]

If it's fixed then where can I download a new mod version?

[prime lagoon]

Not yet

[winged jacinth]

Ok

[earnest wraith]

Again, idk if it's even an issue with this specifically. If I can recreate it in the same exact way, I'll send logs, but rn it's a bit late here and I'm tired

Also I was doing something I was probably not supposed to be doing at all, that being trying to put a whole ship on a single tread

Idk if anyone else knows what I'm talking about, but I once saw some form of meme image thing. Idk if it was a photoshop, some weird modern art sculpture, or what, but the caption was simply "tonk" and the image itself was just a tank turret on a single tread. I wanted to remake that because I thought, if treads could be powered from the top like someone reported it would be funny. That might only happen in specific instances though...

[prime lagoon]

That shouldn't matter I've thought of that alr

[earnest wraith]

You have? tf?

In what normal circumstance would someone be doing that

oh wait snowmobiles nvm

or similar designs to that

oh well

[prime lagoon]

Ppl might build shorter or longer tracks I've thought of that, having one block is just an extremity of that

[quasi maple]

What about suspension wheels 🤔

And are larger than a sprocket

[prime lagoon]

What

[quasi maple]

Like car wheels

[quasi maple]

To make stuff like wheeled vehicles

[prime lagoon]

VS Buggy

[quasi maple]

Are the wheels on suspension?

[prime lagoon]

There is literally a suspension block, I think

[quasi maple]

I wanted to make a half track and nothing sits right 😔

[earnest wraith]

Wait where?

[prime lagoon]

VS Buggy is still in development and unreleased but the thing is there

[earnest wraith]

Where's "there", I previously thought it had a name and nothing else but is there currently any sort of functional prototype for it?

[prime lagoon]

well since there's screenshots obviously there is a prototype

just unreleased

[earnest wraith]

I had not seen any screenshots of it before today, huh

Though that is... an unfortunate amount of create/clockwork parts present. Oh well, even just round wheels is fantastic to know about.

[hoary girder]

i think it hit somewhere else and the explosion damaged it

[prime lagoon]

ah, that's a autocannon-more-OP-than-draconic problem

[foggy ferry]

For a short period of time (a few seconds), the vehicle speeds up dramatically, to a speed that seems normal, every other time its slower than it should be (the tank is running at 256 rpm)

also the tank tips quite a bit when accelerating, maybe tone that down

[prime lagoon]

no I'm not gonna make tanks go 0-60 in one nanosecond

[earnest wraith]

I mean, ideally the motion of the tread matches the velocity of the vehicle such that the tread touching the ground doesn't move relative to the ground until it stops touching the ground. Treads should be capable of going fairly fast, just taking some time to "get up to speed" depending on the vehicle.

[prime lagoon]

the current acceleration is already pretty fast considering it takes a few seconds to hit 30km/h

any faster and people will flip their tanks

[torn smelt]

Endal u should make a server about this mod

[tough fox]

wait do the tracks not have friction

or rather, do they have infinite friction

[earnest wraith]

One idea, make it so that the initial "startup" has more kinetic stress than when it has momentum, and making the rotational input and tread speed a 1-1 ratio to one another. Then, have Create kinetic sources and networks as a whole slow down the more stress they have, instead of just being a black and white "too much stress, no work"... however this would be a complete rework of create systems as a whole, and frankly very unreasonable to expect. But... hmm.

[tough fox]

idea
"actually this is ridiculous"
"but maybe"

come on

[ancient path]

Ye prop planes kinda poop

@prime lagoon what u should do is have a separate block for idlers, road wheels, and sprocket

[foggy ferry]

Not gonna lie my tiny tank was hella slow, and i mean i could probably sprint faster, and that shit was at 256 rpm

[earnest wraith]

It's absolutely a ridiculously complicated concept, especially for a small scope mod like this. But it's got me thinking about if such a system could be made completely unrelated to this specific project.

[prime lagoon]

the tracks slip beyond a 3m/s difference, so no.

[ancient path]

Sad

[earnest wraith]

Aha, that explains that

[prime lagoon]

create tally system would ruin any attempt to make acceleration lower

[earnest wraith]

cough cough

[earnest wraith]

Tally system?

[prime lagoon]

its still alot of grip.

[earnest wraith]

Ig but, slipping constantly at 3 meters per second... eh.

[prime lagoon]

I've power limited tiny tanks (< 8 track blocks in total) so they don't fly into space.

[earnest wraith]

Ah, I see

[ancient path]

How long did it take u to make this

[earnest wraith]

That actually clarifies the problem I was having, though I wonder if 8 blocks min is too much.

[ancient path]

If it is done by track blocks it’s too little

[prime lagoon]

...my guy that's a 6m long track including the ends

[earnest wraith]

Actually wait no it doesn't. 8 in total, right? Including doubled-up tracks and the other side of the ship? I had way more than enough, so idk why my ship was so slow.

[ancient path]

Wait

My brain wasn’t working

Mb

I thought that over 8 blocks was power limited not under

Stupid

[prime lagoon]

like I said, 256 RPM is 256 RPM no matter how you build

[earnest wraith]

I think the vehicle I was working on had treads 7 meters long or so, on each side, 2 meters wide (double treads)

[prime lagoon]

unless its too small to be doing that

[earnest wraith]

Wait, so weight doesn't affect speed at all?

[ancient path]

Lmao what?

[prime lagoon]

I'll balance that out with SU power, stop jumping the gun

[earnest wraith]

I'm saying right now, in the current version

[prime lagoon]

no it does not

[ancient path]

Let’s gooo

[prime lagoon]

or rather, it should not

[earnest wraith]

Hmm then idk why I was having trouble. Maybe it was gear ratios or something idk

[prime lagoon]

dm me a video or smth I'll take a look at it

[earnest wraith]

I'll get that tomorrow probably. After seeing if I can crash the game with cannons and treads or not.

[prime lagoon]

please do crash I'd rather fix them now than later

[earnest wraith]

Again though, I don't even know if it's related to tracks or not. But if I can reproduce it I'll get you logs

[ancient path]

Is this survival friendly

Mostly

I should add

[ancient path]

Hmmm

[torn smelt]

and its working somehow

[ancient path]

I don’t see anything wrong here

Just a completely normal tank

But seriously

How

[torn smelt]

i just wanted to build a tank...

[ancient path]

What was the idea here

[torn smelt]

I missplased the phys track with the suspencion

and then i placed the suspencion

and this happened

[ancient path]

I mean

It’s a cool look

Does it drive well

[torn smelt]

It does

But it looks strange idk

[ancient path]

That sometimes does happen when substances start breaking the rules of physics

[torn smelt]

I agree

[real lava]

@steady root holy flip

https://tenor.com/view/flying-car-little-tykes-gif-15348148

[prime lagoon]

should be fixed... hopefully...

[real lava]

sorry i pinged you mb

[prime lagoon]

sorry guys, all the bug fixes are gonna come along with the larger wheels, I'm getting vibe checked by my own spaghetti code

[ivory furnace]

larger wheels?

[dawn pecan]

everytime that i place it minecraft go boom(crashes) it is any way to fix it?
(when i join to world back it seems normal)

oh.. oohh. it crashes if place it on object, not block

[ancient path]

Endal a really easy way to add suspension model is just add a rod like this

[prime lagoon]

Planned...

[ancient path]

Noice

[earnest wraith]

Ok so, my crash issue cannot be replicated it seems, at least not in a way I can figure out

Cannons dissasemble fine

[earnest wraith]

Found a new, probably unrelated issue though. Mounting an autocannon on a vehicle (with treads?) teleports the player view to the shipyard

Physically, the player is in the same place, and coordinates remain the same. Dismounting causes no issues. However, it kinda defeats the purpose if you can't actually see your surroundings.

[grim stream]

Known issue, I've mentioned it to Triode

[earnest wraith]

Ah ok

I just verified that it has nothing to do with treads, but it was on the vehicle that crashed the game before(?) that I first saw the issue so idk

Btw, does anyone have any tips for making an easily controllable WASD system via tank treads? I basically want it so that pressing A and D rotates you on the spot, W and S go forward and back, and combinations of keys basically combine their inputs (for example, W and A would make the right tread go, but the left tread would go slower or not at all, meaning the vehicle turns while still going forward)

I've got the "forward, backward, and turning on the spot" down, but idk how to have multiple inputs at once without breaking something. Sure, it functions as is, but I'm wondering if it's possible to polish it up a bit.

Ok so the Clockwork command seat works wonders if you configure it correctly

However, with that you can't have multiple inputs. Which is kinda BS tbh...

[quick edge]

i get error code 1 i have followed all instuctions any help??

[prime lagoon]

#1166488016936763524 message

[vocal cosmos]

wtf

this is sick

[acoustic crater]

tutorial psl

[earnest wraith]

It's pretty straightforward though

Also, two mod-related things I have on my mind

1: It could be interesting to have there be "gaps" between suspension wheels. Maybe. Just an idea.

2: Endal's cat is an author? lol

[foggy ferry]

Yea itd be nice so that not every track block has a roadwheel

[ancient path]

No Kotlin or wrong create version

[open spire]

I have hella movecraft tanks, cant wait to make them more proper with this :D

[languid ivy]

OH MY GOD

why I didn't know about this

that's so cool

[open spire]

it works well too :D

[open spire]

fr. I suggested this ages ago to the aero AND Vs devs. I wouldnt have expected a solo guy to make his own thing :D

[ancient path]

Ye endal is built different

[open spire]

(I say this cuz im testing it out rn @prime lagoon )

[ocean elbow]

my- god- is so beautiful

[open spire]

the tracks are a wee bit rubbery kek

though I am also loading it with an enormous load, without any counterweights, so honestly thats not fair to say

Once my half-track transport is finished, itll have counterweights so this doesnt happen kekers

[open spire]

I just sent my flatbed to fucking orbit

uh

Turns out, if you overload the track suspension very quickly, they EXTEND, instead of compressing... and doing it quickly (loading 3=4 copper blocks on at once) literally sent it to the fucking moon

it came down and it bounced straight back up oh christ

I fucking stack overflowed the suspension

[turbid vault]

you've just discovered the VS: Space addon

[prime lagoon]

...thats one hell of an edge case but I'll see to it

[ancient path]

Lmao

This is the stuff we’re here for

[onyx tusk]

ok, this is epic!

[ebon crescent]

Nooooo the jar file is gone

I should of downloaded it when I had the chance

[earnest wraith]

Why is it gone huh

I can send my download if need be but, why is the actual download just... gone?

[tribal ginkgo]

??????????????????

wdym gone

#1188941648806285362 message

@ebon crescent

is it not the correct one or smth?

[ebon crescent]

Huh

Weird I couldn't find it

[earnest wraith]

Discords screwed up then because pins vanished

[tribal ginkgo]

still have the pin

[ebon crescent]

I did look back at the beginning but missed it

I don't have the pin either

[earnest wraith]

I'm on mobile rn maybe that's part of the issue

[ebon crescent]

Same

[tribal ginkgo]

huh

[ebon crescent]

Gotta love how an update that was supposedly to fix mobile just broke it more

[tribal ginkgo]

damn, mobile ui is shit

bruh

[ebon crescent]

?

[tribal ginkgo]

you can't even view pins from mobile

🤦

[ebon crescent]

U can

U have to click on the name

It's not very obvious

[tribal ginkgo]

huh

no pins here tho

[ebon crescent]

Tf

[tribal ginkgo]

but there are pins

on pc

[ebon crescent]

I had to reload discord to see the right reaction

Was showing 3 blobs and a think emoji

I'm not even kidding

[tribal ginkgo]

💀

[fiery rapids]

em

when i assemble it my game crashes

can somebody help

[tribal ginkgo]

https://discord.com/channels/244934352092397568/1166488016936763524

[fiery rapids]

ok wait

and let me crash the game really quick

[ebon crescent]

This is a post in showcase

[fiery rapids]

and

[ebon crescent]

Make a support post??

Oh wait

Is this for the track work mod

Nvm then

[fiery rapids]

yes

can somebody help

when i assemble it the game crashes

[tribal ginkgo]

my man

read the point 5

in https://discord.com/channels/244934352092397568/1166488016936763524

[fiery rapids]

The game crashed whilst ticking block entity
Error: java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: 'void org.valkyrienskies.core.apigame.physics.VSWheelCollisionShapeData.<init>(double, double, int)'

error

[tribal ginkgo]

i do not care

read the point 5

do as it says

then return

to #1019674227579813910

(if it still doesn't work, that is)

[cerulean canyon]

is it possible to make like a much larger scale set of tracks?

would you just use more of those 1x1 block wheels?

this looks super cool, block wheels still seem janky as hell trying to climb terrain

[ancient path]

Speaking of which I just lost the shortcut to this

[ebon crescent]

?

[ancient path]

Literally after I saw this

I can’t access from main channel list anymore

[ebon crescent]

oof

[ancient path]

Have search it manually every time

There we go got it back

Idk what I did

Mr endal

If one were to say edit the blocks in clockwork would you find the source for the blocks on the GitHub vs2 source code

[ionic sundial]

__**It looks like you're trying to download Clockwork! <:GODSAVEUS:1100326395906891919><:GODSAVEUS:1100326395906891919><:GODSAVEUS:1100326395906891919><:GODSAVEUS:1100326395906891919><:GODSAVEUS:1100326395906891919>**__

You can download the Clockwork Pre-Alpha from here:

https://discord.com/channels/244934352092397568/1100497495450210384.

Remember that Clockwork requires the latest version of Kotlin, which can be separately downloaded from the Kotlin website, and Valkyrien Skies 2, which can usually be found in the nightlies channel. It also requires the latest version of the Create mod If you can't find the download for VS2 or any of the addons, links to them can be found in their respective channels.

Also note that Clockwork is currently exclusively for Minecraft 1.18.2, and is available on both Forge and Fabric.

[ancient path]

Stupid bot

[prime lagoon]

What is this asking

No, clockwork is not open source, and no. VS2 is just the physics library

[ancient path]

F$$$

Sooo uh

If one were to try and code in the afterblazer back into 5.1

How would one do that

Like the track add on u did

But afterblazer

[prime lagoon]

Well, its probably not that hard, provided you already have modding experience

But that's redundant because clockwork is being worked on, anyway

[ancient path]

I know

But

I’m very impatient

And I have time to kill

[ionic sundial]

__**I'm want to be a clock**__

Why I should be on the CIockwork team

• I have a good understanding of java.
• I know how to write minecraft mods
• I have some great features I want to add.
• Development has been extremely slow
• I have a lot of time to work on the mod
• I know kotlin
  Those are my reasons of why I should be on the cIockwork Development team.

[ancient path]

Nah

[ebon frigate]

how long will it take until next upload?

[green thorn]

A bit offtopic but... What do you think about this setup?

[earnest wraith]

I mean you could have just used a creative motor

[prime lagoon]

I'm taking a break for new years... And the new wheels are such a pain (of my own volition)

[green thorn]

The idea is to be survival friendly!

[earnest wraith]

You're using a creative tank.

[green thorn]

Now?

[ivory furnace]

you won't ride for a long time

I would use accumulators and electric motor from Create Craft&Aditions

at 256 rpm the car would run for an hour

[green thorn]

17000 mb + turbine is ok?

[ivory furnace]

Engine will work only 7 minutes

1 accumulator block will give you an hour of operation at 256 rpm

Use accumulator

You know about Craft&Aditions, right?

[green thorn]

ok.

yes

[ivory furnace]

Ok

[green thorn]

this use it

[ivory furnace]

Nice

[ancient path]

Tonk

[uncut hawk]

🤓 *45 mins

[ancient path]

Now add a cannon

[earnest wraith]

I made this

Doesn't really work great, but... it's a drillship of some kind. You can drive it fine, and tilt it back and forth (angling in order to drill) and the drills on the mechanical bearing will drill as expected. However... not not that well. As in, the tunnel it makes isn't wide enough for the treads really.

[earnest wraith]

After some minor (pun not intended) adjustments, I have made it work. Still not great but ig it's acceptibly functional.

[ancient path]

Then use a big stationary one

[ancient path]

That tilts

Like a drill wall

[ebon frigate]

one thing, add diagonal lines and another line then it should be better at mining

[vagrant warren]

no fabric?

[green thorn]

Is this one good?

[prime lagoon]

I don't knew how to sew

[ancient path]

A thicc cannon

[ancient path]

That is the perfect reply lmao

[hard flare]

@onyx tusk Give this man his own channel, he deserves it XD

[gilded carbon]

you're using the wrong version of valkyrien skies, get the latest one from modrinth

[gilded carbon]

which Endel literally says to do in the pinned post in here

[languid ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/physique-jujutsu-kaisen-finger-bearer-gif-25317820

[ancient path]

Yes

[vagrant warren]

:(

[foggy ferry]

imagine using fabric 💀

[vagrant warren]

i don't have to imagine that ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vocal cosmos]

is there a lore reason why theres a lag spike when above a track

nvm its when i cross a chunk border

[languid ivy]

KONTRAPTION MENTIONED

[vocal cosmos]

once you kontraption you just kant stop

[languid ivy]

I feel that

[languid ivy]

do the same thing but use 3x3x3 multiblock thruster preetty plws :3

[vocal cosmos]

initially i had more ion thrusters but the thrust was pushing the suspension down too much and it could barely climb blocks

[languid ivy]

I totally forgot about suspensions

[earnest wraith]

The drill as is. I have essentially made it so that it can angle up and down, and drill forward in such a way that it can proceed. With one issue... It can't do that. The gap it creates is too small. It drill fast enough, sure, but if I made the drill wall larger it would not have enough clearance to avoid affecting the tracks. Basically, it can't drill enough unless it's touching the ground, and it can't touch the ground. Also, if it touched the ground and was the exact size to create a large enough gap, it would not be able to turn at all inside a tunnel as there would be no "wiggle room"

If drills dug a 3x3 area instead of just 1x1, or were able to do that somehow without causing issues, that'd solve all issues. But idk how to do that exactly.

[languid ivy]

I should make a trackwork tutorial/showcase video

more people should know about this addon

[vocal cosmos]

if the tunnel were 1 block above ground wouldnt the tracks just climb on

actually you could make it touch the ground but shift the weight to the back so that it slightly points up

or have it 1 block above the ground and shift the weight forward

[earnest wraith]

I don't want it to go up, I want it to go down.

Also it literally won't fit still, there's not enough clearance. Even if the drills encompass the whole ship front, there would still only be exactly enough room, and if it's not aligned perfectly with the world it won't go through.

[vocal cosmos]

add drills facing sideways maybe?

[elder kraken]

Just add drill facing downwards

Before you get to the tracks

Use gearbox

[earnest wraith]

Then the thing gets front-heavy

[foggy ferry]

Yea the suspension seems a bit weak for heavier vehicles

Would be nice to have a wrench-config option to adjust suspension strength

[willow arch]

oh well

that appears to be a tank

AAAAA

[tepid kelp]

uuuuhhhh what

[gilded carbon]

I used pistons from Interactive to push a tank up into the air and it just disappeared once the suspension would have gone to three blocks

Happened like 3 times, I'll see if I can post a clip later

[vagrant warren]

Endal, is this gonna be open source?

[green thorn]

What if Vanity

[prime lagoon]

I do not take responsibility for any mishaps or damage to property caused by usage of Trackwork™️ track blocks as wheel substitutes

[dry pelican]

are you gonna be absorbed by clockwork

you were producing a response

but then

[green thorn]

lol

ok

[languid ivy]

I have a VERY important question... Do you know any different usage of trackwork? like instead of making tanks how can I use it differently, what can I create something not a tank?

[prime lagoon]

uhm tbh, do whatever you want

I just designed with tracked vehicles in mind so using it otherwise might have weird behaviour

idk how else to use them though, that remains to be seen

[languid ivy]

I will find something interesting

hopefully

[languid ivy]

record a video I wanna see this thing climb mountains

😊

[willow arch]

my internet can't

it can't

it just can't

build it yourself

[languid ivy]

good advice

[willow arch]

also something I noticed about the wheels is how they clip to the ground

would look a lot smoother if the wheels applied some kind of force to each other, like averaging their vertical offset

that'd probably break everything but it would look smoother

for when it's colliding snapping down makes sense

but it just off the ground it might make more sense for it to move smoothly

idk

[prime lagoon]

Nah that's not the issue, its cause of the way I'm simulating it

No practical way to fix it for now, but when there is I'll do it

[prime lagoon]

Actually I could do smoother wheel sag, but the render code is enough of a disaster as is

[knotty flower]

is the terrai nrobust fr

[willow arch]

yeah that sounds like a nightmare

[ebon frigate]

How

[ebon frigate]

you can make the drill as big as you want!

[willow arch]

unfinished mod isn't finished

[ebon frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-20743240

[prime lagoon]

That's why I'll never say the re***** word

[ebon frigate]

and i want a schematic please so i can cause mass mountain destruction

[gilded carbon]

I made a small tank with wings but it could not get off the ground without a ramp, and even then it only went like 6 blocks up

[languid ivy]

yeah I saw that, I even thought of making that too

[earnest wraith]

It hardly works as intended but it's very much an example of things other than tanks

In fact I haven't really made a single tank, they've all been industrial vehicles of some kind.

[prime lagoon]

well, if you want to expand in that direction you can make any industrial/utility vehicle but tracked

bridge-layers, harvesters, tree cutters

[earnest wraith]

One worked on the ocean floor also, I just had to weigh it down with netherite

[earnest wraith]

I do wish those create things worked on VS ships

I don't remember what they're called

The thing that isn't a drill but does the same sort of thing

[prime lagoon]

sawblade...?

[earnest wraith]

Paving wheel maybe?

It's new

[prime lagoon]

oh, isn't that for train tracks exclusively?

[earnest wraith]

It works on other contraptions

But nothing "stationary"

Which, VS ships are technically stationary

Actually hmm. If I made a spinny drill head, with those on the ends, maybe...

[prime lagoon]

new thread chanel thing here #trackwork for ppl who're very late to the party

@onyx tusk you may lock this thread before it hits 1000 comments

[earnest wraith]

Hell yeah, a channel