#GUYS I NEED YOUR HELP...

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abstract gate
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create aero šŸ¤®

rich shadow
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create aero šŸ¤®

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LMAO

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this is my first time seeing it irl

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no fucking way

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"guys i just need someone to help me code this very niche and specific thing for minecraft, for free, on my whim please guys"

abstract gate
rich shadow
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yeah that's the other thing

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payment in exposure

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god i love payment in exposure

abstract gate
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ur 10 years old lmfao?????

rich shadow
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now we're fucking talking

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abstract gate
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damn

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so much money

rich shadow
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i'd take that deal if i knew how to code

abstract gate
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same

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also can we talk about how ur 10

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isn't that against discord tos

spiral vortex
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off topic why the hell on create aero

abstract gate
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exactly

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aero is disgusting

spiral vortex
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don't blame you it looks cool

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im just confused why the hate on create aero

abstract gate
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aero is just goofy aah

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better than what

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i saw you put better

spiral vortex
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aero shown off cooler stuff than VS

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like working subs

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and that big mecha

abstract gate
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i have seen submarines with vs lol

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wdym they get sink

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lmfao

oblique adder
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@stone rose@abstract gate@rich shadow@spiral vortex

the drama between us is cuz CA stole VS2 Flywheel code earlier on when CA was public, it spiralled into big Drama

I agree the video is cool

Sadly, even with Gizmo, there isnt any programming, its command blocks iirc

VS2 has no similar VR interface rn

rich shadow
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oh shit

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i didn't know that

abstract gate
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damn

wispy bluff
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wym?

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aero is better than vs?

rich shadow
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i just assumed it was normal vs elitist bullshit

spiral vortex
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umm silly reason for drama

abstract gate
spiral vortex
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for drama yes

oblique adder
wispy bluff
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let me hear good arguments

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and I will reconsider

oblique adder
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@spiral vortex not if they broke VS2's license at the time, doubled down about it not being stole, and being smug enough to say "even if we did, you are open source"

The License at the time was Apache 2.0, so yes Open Source BUT with the caveat that the original code/dev be credited when its taken and used elsewhere

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they not only didnt credit VS2, bjut doubled down when called out

spiral vortex
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again its silly cause if i lets say

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steal your wallet, and after you handle that w me to fix the situation

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wouldn't it be wack to have ppl who werent involved w that gossip like school girls

oblique adder
spiral vortex
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the drama is wack and should have been kept private

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that's just what happened to my man tesla

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not that big of a deal

oblique adder
wispy bluff
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eh

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I still think aero is cooler, the arguments presented do not change my mind due to it being just drama

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from my perspective, valkyrien skies has less to offer compared to aeronautics, based on what I have read

spiral vortex
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umm thor man heres my argument

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is aero even playable yet

wispy bluff
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wait so, is that your argument

abstract gate
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how is stolen code "just drama"
it's like having somebody break into your house and your neighbour says they still like the robber cause it's "just drama"

wispy bluff
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because I dont really see why people cant just wait a couple more months for aero to release

wispy bluff
spiral vortex
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last i heard they said its coming 2023

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and well half a year passed and i didnt hear jackshit about it coming out

wispy bluff
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I can wait, its gonna be epic when it comes out

spiral vortex
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not even a hey boys expect it probably before christmas

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umm if it comes out

wispy bluff
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cool thing about aero is that they offer compatibility with other mods

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like create big cannons

wispy bluff
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like content

oblique adder
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@wispy bluff i havent even started to argument

CA is a content mod in and of itself, VS2 is more versitile not bieng tied to Create and its wackiness

VS2 has CBC compat via Clockwork (which will be moved to base VS2 when the compat mixins are more polished)

VS2 itself is not a content mod, but provides the physics that ANY addon can use

VS2's code is open source (minus the actual C++ physics engine running in the background)

VS2 compat is open for Pull Requests so got a mod you want compat with? make a #1019676352464551946 or you can get an IDE, grab VS2, and make the compat yourself

And about content, theresa more than just Clockwork, theres Eureka, Tournament, Horizons, Stardust, Universal, Industria, MekAPI, Create R&D, Valkyrien Computers, Unnamed Military Addon thats a Flans-type mod, Valkyrien Isles, VS Buggy, etc

wispy bluff
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interesting

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no

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in the base mod no, but maybe someone will make an addon

oblique adder
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it cannot currently be made as like Gizmo, but that doesnt meaqn someone cant just say "Fuck It" and make such as addon themselves

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in fact, there was a player attempting such a feat till thier own life got in the way

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Haz

wispy bluff
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whats the difference between clockwork, eureka, tournament

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well actually a better question would be:

could you summarise the addons?

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what does it add?

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I see

oblique adder
wispy bluff
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I see?

oblique adder
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Clockwork is not VS2, its an addon to VS2

wispy bluff
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ok

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wut about stardustr

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and the others

oblique adder
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Stardust is a now abandoned addon made by a Chinese dev who we hav since lost contact with

it was a space age addon which has a shit ton of cool assets in #fate-of-war-showcase

wispy bluff
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I had a joke in mind but it would be best to not say it

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he must of said something about the government

oblique adder
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In any case, he sparked an interest in space so 4 other devs who wanted to make space addons have joined forces to create Universal API

Basically, so we each don't reinvent the space age wheel, we put all our common code in Universal, this'll also help with compat between our addons

Namely air systems, space itself, planets, orbital mechanics, etc

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All we are waiting on is LOD, VS Bodies/Addon API, and the low res fluid sim

spiral vortex
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?????????????????? space addon

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like warpdrive space quality?

oblique adder
spiral vortex
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my loyalty is with VS

oblique adder
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XD

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The only thing really stopping me rn is the ability to teleport the ships to other dimensions, thats legit all I need

Minus low res fluid sim which I can re-purpose for an air pressure and air quality system so you have to keep your stuff actually pressurized and shit

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But for the sake of Universal working, I will wait for VS Bodies as well so my planets and Universal API planets dont overlap and do weird stuff

spiral vortex
oblique adder
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No

near ember
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really nice

violet otter
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create aero šŸ¤®

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is aero going to come out AT ALL?

fresh thistle
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they're useful for their own two things

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they're two seperate things

fresh thistle
violet otter
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when
and when was the last progress announcement

fresh thistle
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febuary,

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this does not mean laziness/unfinishedness

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just that they're working on a fuckin physics engine in minecraft?

violet otter
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aero doesnt desercer that much trust in my opinion

fresh thistle
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i like aero, whether you do or not isnt my buisness

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so lets shut up

violet otter
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they were insulting VS which has a respectful history

abstract gate
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why is aero taking so long when they stole code from VS

violet otter
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more or less EXACTLY

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welcome aboard

oblique adder
abstract gate
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yeah it was kind of a joke

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still very cringe that they stole tho

oblique adder
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@fresh thistle @stone rose

Aero is cool, just some devs are not

As said, Gizmo is a cool system

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And about their delays being that they are working on a physics engine, so is VS2

Its called Krunch, its written in C++, its closed source and the only person who can work on it is Triode

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Rn he's finishing an update to expand LOD so we can do a lot more crazy shit, ships will be more optimized, and collision will no longer be full block for non-full blocks

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Next is VS Bodies/Addon API update, then reworking constraints

zenith ruin
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That sucks

weary musk
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Nah bro create aeronautics made me ragequit their server after they posted their mod but with just a plunger

strong idol
weary musk
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Quite

weary musk
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Some time ago they posted a update on their aeronautics, saying the full version is delayed. The only things that were added was a plunger and a plunger gun (I think) and something else I canā€™t remember

violet otter
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wasnt it that bell-like thing for assembly?

pure rampart
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you can send a video?

oblique adder
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@stone rose really the only tihng you lack for rewcreating Gizmo is a VR interface for VS2, but you can still make that into a mech via CC:Tweaked/Restitched and CC:C Bridge to manipulate Create stuff with computers

runic violet
oblique adder
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bad idea, Ship Helm will not let them rotate at all, Eureka Ship Helm is made to keep the ship upright

oblique adder
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no, it will not, it will just keep your ship FROM rotating

your arm will be straight, still as a board, and unable to rotate

crude dirge
weary musk
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I knew something was up

wet cedar
# abstract gate aero is just goofy aah

Bro and they said they were fonna make physics on A FEW YEARS and right now they are just gonna give us plungers. and clockwork is already out so why not use clockwork instead

strong idol
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theres no way you are all so retarded

crude dirge
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^^

runic violet
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Blame the mods

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Those mfs are just dictators

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Constantly tilted about something

slow agate
runic violet
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Thereā€™s like 1-2 good mods

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But yea

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Ryan is an ass

slow agate
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Second, I have an idea

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The time will come to employ it

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Sure they have 10000 people while we only have 5000

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But there won't be 10000 people when aero releases

runic violet
slow agate
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Rephrase please?

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Oh

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Because they don't know about vs or they think vs is unpolished

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Also a decent amount of them are in the vs server

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A lot of them came from aero, but watched YouTubers who said that vs is Knockoff aero

slow agate
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The issue is we need enough people

oblique adder
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Yea, like Clockwork is obviously unfinished but what do you expect from a mod with only like a few months of development

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By primarily a SINGLE dev

runic violet
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Yea aero devs ainā€™t shit

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I keep forgetting potato is goated with the sauce

wicked arrow
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Iā€™m just excited for areo I donā€™t care about stolen code or bs like that i just want to build cool stuff and Iā€™m using clockwork right now and someone helped me build a plane and itā€™s really cool

slow agate
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Just so I can use it for vs

oblique adder
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Then Aero would denounce it

They have said they won't make compat and do not want compat to be made between Aero and VS2

slow agate
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Fair

zenith ruin
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Btw how do we know that aero stole code

oblique adder
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it has been taken down by Triode to keep drama from spreading farther

zenith ruin
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ooohhhhh

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Okay

balmy trellis
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i would if i could but FUCKING FUCKITY FUCKING MAC FOR SOME REASON CANT CONNECT TO MA FUCKIN OCULUS

rich shadow
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automod when the ecosystem with bad gaming compatibility has bad gaming compatibility

balmy trellis
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or maybe its the games with bad mac compatability

rich shadow
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yes, that's what i said

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compatibility is not one-way

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mac has low compatibility with games

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games have low compatibility with mac

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the question of whose fault it is, is more difficult

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i'm not gonna get into it though šŸ’€

lean marsh
lean marsh
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if you can do it without a eureka helm then you'll have me beat

lean marsh
zenith ruin
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Iā€™m confused abt how making it suddenly accelerate to the side if it falls over keeps it upright

heady nest
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Why? It's objectively better. While it's not out yet, the beta version that will be coming out this year will almost certainly be of high quality based on teasers, while this mod is still in alpha and doesn't even have full textures. Aero doesn't require advanced coding knowledge just to stabilize a contraption. Aero has substantially more content than Clockwork will ever have. Aero's content better fits with the Create mod's theme and vision.

drowsy hull
heady nest
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Exactly.

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Idk why people in this discord are so intent on hating on Aero. Like, have you really gone so far in on this mod that would rather jump through mental hoops in order to enjoy a comforting lie rather than admit you were wrong?

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I asked how to stabilize my airship because I was sure there was something I was missing and I was basically told "lol learn lua if you want stabilization"

drowsy hull
heady nest
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Plus all the components for the mod are hard-coded mechanics. It's very bad design practice to implement blocks that are super specific, such as the wing bearing which is only used for wings. It's why there's no 'moving door' block in vanilla Minecraft. Instead, you're given basic components such as pistons to move blocks, redstone wire to send signals, repeaters to create delays. This allows you to create a piston door, and so much more. Create and Create Aero follow this design principle, which is partly why they're so successful. Create adds mechanical bearings to rotate blocks. Any blocks, in any configuration. Aero adds the torsion spring and analog transmission. They do simple, broad ranging functions which can be applied in many different ways.

zenith ruin
zenith ruin
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You realise this community legit does everything it can not to use the available self stabilisation, that being eureka

zenith ruin
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Itā€™s not like we donā€™t have an object to do the work for you, we do, itā€™s just that nobody likes it

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Also the flap bearings exists cos itā€™s a strong method of rotating flaps to turn a plane

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You can use it for other stuff itā€™s just that there isnt another way of doing it

heady nest
heady nest
zenith ruin
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like, didnā€™t change from any physical input other than rotating via shaft

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I mean if it does work, then by all means, do it

heady nest
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Yea, you just hook up a source of rotation power to the torsion spring, set it to say, 15 degrees, attach that to a mechanical bearing with sail blocks, and provide a redstone signal. Accomplishes the same thing, but provides a multitude of other uses as well.

zenith ruin
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Like a screenshot of you doing it

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or are you saying we need it

heady nest
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Aeros not out yet, but I can see if I can find a specific example from their teasers

zenith ruin
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Oh

heady nest
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Nah Aeros already got it

zenith ruin
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Oh btw we have a loose bearing now

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Btw has anybody actually USED aero yet?

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Cos I keep hearing shit that its a buggy mess or smth but idk if people actually have proof

heady nest
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Nah its not out for beta yet, planned for sometime this year. Heres a video of the thing im talking about, look for the 40 sec mark and watch as he looks back to the rudder

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Keep in mind

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This is from a year an a half ago so it looks buggy

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They've gotten way smoother since then

drowsy hull
zenith ruin
heady nest
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If you want to see their up to date video heres this

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Tell me if THAT is doable in clockwork

zenith ruin
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Lemme see it rq

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Vid loading

drowsy hull
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Whoever says that Aero is buggy mess is just making the conclusion out of thin air

heady nest
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Mhm

zenith ruin
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I canā€™t load the vid wtf lmao

heady nest
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You... cant load a YT video?

zenith ruin
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So a big ass airship?

heady nest
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So you just.. dont watch YT ever?

zenith ruin
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Dw

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Internets been being weird lately

heady nest
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Well watch it when you get home and tell me what you think

zenith ruin
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No I seen it now

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So uh

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Just a big ass airship?

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is that what ur asking about

heady nest
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It's not about the airship, its about the fact that everything works on the airship in a smooth manor

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You can create train, contraptions work, entities stay attached

drowsy hull
heady nest
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It's proof that Aero has already FAR surpassed Clockwork. Clockwork is still EXTREMELY buggy.

zenith ruin
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Iā€™m tryna uh

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Wait

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Lemme find the post

zenith ruin
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TETRODE

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hey I saw you type

heady nest
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They've also got magnets

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Check out this video

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#937444280908283925 message

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You can pick up contraptions with magnets

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You can even create railguns

drowsy hull
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You can do whatever you want with the use of physics

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and the provided blocks

heady nest
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And most importantly, its user friendly. The mechanics aren't overly complicated to the point where you have to know a coding language to use it

zenith ruin
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I couldnā€™t find it

heady nest
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You couldn't find it? It's right there.

zenith ruin
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no

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Mf

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The video I was trying to find

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Not that

zenith ruin
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Thatā€™s not even part of clockwork

drowsy hull
zenith ruin
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Without it you can do all the same stuff except you have to balance it properly

oblique adder
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@heady nest@drowsy hull@zenith ruin

OK so, let me inform you on why there was beef and why, while i think Aero itself is cool, im sticking with VS2

Awhile back, when CA was actually open as in code-wise to the public or atleast to other devs, VS2 devs found multiple snippets of code from their own old Flywheel compat code within Aero, when confronted, Ryan doubled down on it and started spreading misinformation, forcing VS2 devs to make a whole ass video comparing the code side-by-side from the stolen segments

This, followed by 2 response docs, was then quenched for the good of the modding community

Aero is cool and will be very good, but some of the devs are sus and ignore licenses even when cvonfronted

heady nest
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I tried for an hour to build a flying drone platform. Every time I started it up, it spin around randomly

zenith ruin
oblique adder
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ik

zenith ruin
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U gotta make the blades rotate in different directions

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To counter the torque

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Thatā€™s basic physics

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Top left and bottom right go one way and the others go the other way

oblique adder
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now as for yall bashing Clockwork, Rule 2

@heady nest @drowsy hull

zenith ruin
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how did bro not know what counter torque is šŸ˜­

heady nest
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So... were not allowed to talk about valid criticism? Ever?

zenith ruin
oblique adder
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the Clockwork devs, namely Potato, chose to go a more realistic route with flight controls

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and I made it easier by adding integration with COmputerCraft to let you more easily design cool control systems

zenith ruin
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Oh yeah the whole ā€œadvanced coding skills thingā€ is completely untrue btw angel, lua is one of the easiest and simplest languages to use

heady nest
oblique adder
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if you prefer Aero's more lax control scheme, its not skin off our backs

zenith ruin
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As a person who receives criticism for what I create, people complaining without saying how to do better are a nuisance

heady nest
zenith ruin
oblique adder
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@heady nest if you wanna critique Clockwork's choices, why did you come to #1068077922654625812 instead of #1019676352464551946 ?

and why on such an old post as well?

heady nest
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I was just responding to what someone posted earlier, and then it all spiraled from there

zenith ruin
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^^ cos of this

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Because a child said they didnā€™t want to use the mod

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he did all this because of a ten year old

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A very talented one

heady nest
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I provided a counter argument to his claim, his age is completely irrelevant.

zenith ruin
heady nest
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I thought he was a very talented 10 year old

zenith ruin
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Either way you didnā€™t need to do all this cos he said 5 words

heady nest
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I didn't need to my friend, I chose to.

oblique adder
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now, I will reiterate, Aero will be cool, but Clockwork is not Aero and any valid comparison should be made when both mods are out

I am sticking with VS2 as they are more open about bugs and critic of their systems

I wish Aero would show something outside a dressed up showcase made to not show bugs, but I know that is unlikely to happen

Clockwork is in pre-alpha btw, this next update will. be full of bug fixes, adding missing features, and 0.5.1

heady nest
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Fair enough.

zenith ruin
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Yeah that first part is a really good point, aero is for the people that want to do stuff, as you said, more generically

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Clockwork is a mod with a different method by pure intention

oblique adder
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similar mods, different goals

zenith ruin
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itā€™s not that itā€™s worse itā€™s that itā€™s for a different community

zenith ruin
heady nest
zenith ruin
oblique adder
heady nest
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Aero

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#bloopers

oblique adder
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nice

heady nest
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Theres some really funny ones in there

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One video shows them forgetting to change the block model of a dyed balloon block, and when he dyes it yellow it turns into a yellow sail

oblique adder
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btw, did you see what i ddi with Clockwork wings/flaps?

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#1119039339809218660

slow agate
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Also I don't recommend starting with a drone

slow agate