Cogfight

[minor kelp]

not your ship\

[lavish meteor]

A theoretical CC redstone link functioning ting

Where it’s basically just a redstlink but using CC channels

With the benefit of being tiny and light

[minor kelp]

you'd have a protocol to differentiate between link channels, but i may have a basic idea
you'd have 2billion channels, at a cost of easily jammable

also can be directional link too

redstone in all face is sent over

[gray sonnet]

It would be so much easier if jamming wasn't aloud

But no

I have to make anti jamming protocols

[fickle saffron]

Hanger

Each team fets one

[minor kelp]

great

[fickle saffron]

Thats the cost of using cc

So cope

[minor kelp]

if you dont use cc, you are unaffected

consider this

idea: in game chat tablet

[gray sonnet]

Idea

I can only accept messages that come from a certain range meaning i would know its on my ship

[minor kelp]

idea
i plant a jamming on your ship

[gray sonnet]

Yeah i am still gonna use encryption and all that

[ruby silo]

Idea, use computers to track players rather than ships, it would be a little imprecise but it’s a good starting point if ship tracking is too annoying

[minor kelp]

oh.....

well damn

[gray sonnet]

You can't

[ruby silo]

You can’t?

[minor kelp]

you cannot.........

there is no way of doing that..........

[shy grove]

Unfortunately for you all I'm analog

[minor kelp]

good thing for you

[gray sonnet]

Rip

[shy grove]

And also not in cogfight

[minor kelp]

lmao

[gray sonnet]

Cyber warfare

[shy grove]

Unfortunately its finals week for me so I haven't been able to refine my aircraft for cogfight

[minor kelp]

cogfight devolved to electronic warfare

[shy grove]

That and I'm waiting for a canon with auto reload to be uploaded as a schematic

[ruby silo]

I feel like computers should not be allowed in cogfight because of the fact that it takes away from the actual plane combat and makes people focus on cyber combat

[gray sonnet]

One poor guy gonna use cc for his controls is gonna be destroyed

[minor kelp]

hmm

axol WILL complain tho

[gray sonnet]

I have autoloading prob no upload tho

[ruby silo]

For sure

[minor kelp]

the reason its here is axol

[gray sonnet]

Mabye after this cogfight

I just wanted to stabilize my ship with computers

Then it evolved to this

[ruby silo]

What you’re talking about is far beyond stabilization

[minor kelp]

yes it devolved to ew

[pseudo wharf]

Yeah it's looking more like a cc fight then a cogfight

I don't use cc at all

[shy grove]

I mean my aircraft is technically a helicopter at the moment, and it works pretty well it just crashes the game every time I fire the main guns

[pseudo wharf]

Just pure cogs an cannons

[minor kelp]

my plane uses cc, a lot

[gray sonnet]

Your unaffected then

[gray sonnet]

Wireless?

[minor kelp]

no :))

[ruby silo]

I literally use display boards to read out information for me, no computers used

[gray sonnet]

I am playing defense on my code

Cj is the one who evolved it to this

[pseudo wharf]

Another event for cogfight would be nice

[minor kelp]

funny you say
last i heard you claiming to be the start of this

[gray sonnet]

There will be more

[ruby silo]

We should do a submarine cogfight event

[minor kelp]

this is good stuff

[ruby silo]

When they’re properly implemented that is

[gray sonnet]

I started the cc not the war

[minor kelp]

lol

[ruby silo]

Just turn the fucking game into barotrauma

[shy grove]

Honestly I don't know how to code so my aircraft are pretty much never gonna have cc in them

[minor kelp]

tbh, not everyone is affected by it

[gray sonnet]

It feels like only me and cj

[shy grove]

If I could fuigure out how the reaction wheels work that would be nice

[minor kelp]

more like me and axol is going to be on the frontlines and yall just ignoring

[gray sonnet]

Mabye some poor guy will be caught in the fire

[minor kelp]

it... doesnt it bugs

[shy grove]

Lol

[ruby silo]

I’m literally a networking student, so im kinda close to being similar to a programmer, but I only know basic python and a bit of powershell

[shy grove]

My heli is pretty stable as is anyway

[minor kelp]

you'd not need nor care about cc anyway

[shy grove]

Could use some work but eh

[gray sonnet]

All my cyber defense classes are getting put to good use

[minor kelp]

except for a few people

mostly just me and axol

who had been using a lot of cc

[ruby silo]

I’d bet, my teacher hasn’t really shown me much cyber defense, though maybe he will next year

[shy grove]

Lol

[fickle saffron]

Bro excluded me

[minor kelp]

wait

[fickle saffron]

And @stiff mulch

[minor kelp]

how much cc did you use

[minor kelp]

i... actually did not know that

[gray sonnet]

You guys gonna die so hard

[ruby silo]

The most advanced stuff I’ve done in my networking class was building Ethernet cables, but tbf that’s a task for like 2 grades higher than me

[fickle saffron]

I have a manual mode but main is automatic

[minor kelp]

ohh

[ruby silo]

And i did it better than the advanced networking dudes

[minor kelp]

ethernetcables

[gray sonnet]

All my stuff wireless but its more secure than wired

[ruby silo]

Honestly it’s kinda sad that a lot of networking students still don’t know how to make an Ethernet cable by hand

[minor kelp]

hmmmmmmm null pig8 me and axol using cc... HMM

[plucky flare]

You haven’t even had your ship fly yet

At least we have something that takes off

[minor kelp]

lmao

[gray sonnet]

Mine does

[minor kelp]

do you really

[gray sonnet]

Just spins and drags on ground

[plucky flare]

Axol you’ve said yourself that your thing hasn’t flown yet

[minor kelp]

and how stable :))

[plucky flare]

We have multiple fighters

[minor kelp]

lmao flying

[ruby silo]

God I need to get something to fly stably

[worthy prairie]

mine takes off but it doesnt fly stable

[gray sonnet]

I mean it drags on ground

[minor kelp]

i mean by axol's
how stable is his

[plucky flare]

That means you’d die in the void

[minor kelp]

he uses p i d

[gray sonnet]

Yeah...

[minor kelp]

how stable is it

[gray sonnet]

Not tested yet

[minor kelp]

i am curious of his team's skill to tune it

[plucky flare]

PID for a blimp?

💀

[minor kelp]

he.... likely not used a balloon but props lol

[plucky flare]

Last I checked axol’s ship is literally just a giant balloon

[minor kelp]

lol

[shy grove]

Oh potato I have a question that's mostly a joke

[ruby silo]

Oh shit, make a plane that launches a pod with stickers on it at another ship so that you can just fucking take their ship when yours gets downed

[minor kelp]

quick question: what does P stand for in PID

axol you answer

[gray sonnet]

Moved to propellers

[shy grove]

Why not just have a bunch of sand in dispensers and make multiple fly runs over someone's ship

[plucky flare]

Skill issue

[minor kelp]

dont take time to search it, answer

[ruby silo]

What if you just used glitched physics to propel your ship?

No fuel needed

[minor kelp]

what if patch comes out

[ruby silo]

Not gonna fix the entire physics engine by cogfight

[gray sonnet]

Forgot

[minor kelp]

true

[dusty lotus]

what the fuck is PID?

[minor kelp]

oh well

[dusty lotus]

Pelvic inflammatory disease?

[minor kelp]

a control system used to control stuff

[gray sonnet]

Isnt it like

Proportional

[plucky flare]

I don’t know of any working kraken drives at the moment

[gray sonnet]

Integral

[plucky flare]

So it’s unlikely

[minor kelp]

thats the easiest response

[gray sonnet]

Derivative

[minor kelp]

yep

thats pid

how does P work

[plucky flare]

Also the only kraken drives i did know of were too weak to move the massive useless hunks of block that people are making here

[minor kelp]

ksp player

[gray sonnet]

It is how much it is pulled towards target

[plucky flare]

When will you goons learn that a flagship should be for support and not your main offensive vehicle smh

It’s just gonna get shot down

[minor kelp]

hmmmm weird explanation but
i dont think its right...

[gray sonnet]

It is?

[minor kelp]

hmmmm

[gray sonnet]

Ita what it does

Not how it works

[minor kelp]

oh well ill give it a pass

how i works

[plucky flare]

That’s not how PID works

I know because I had to write a PID controller for phys bearing locked mode

[minor kelp]

lol

[shy grove]

I knew this right off the bat and was just trying to make smaller aircraft, then I got the idea for the bunker buster

[dusty lotus]

what does this have to do with clockwork

[minor kelp]

his plane stabilize with multiple rotors, like a quadcopter or something

[plucky flare]

PID is proportional integral derivative

The phys bearing uses two out of three

It doesn’t use the integral one because it’s unfinished

[fickle saffron]

ITS ALWAYS THE INTEGRAL

[minor kelp]

hmmmmm i is usually not needed

[fickle saffron]

INTEGRAL THIS INTEGRAL THAT

[minor kelp]

unless you want a 0 aoa flight or something

[plucky flare]

i is needed for a bearing

Because

[shy grove]

Oh right, cogfight is using the most recent version of clockwork and Valk right?

[plucky flare]

I handles undershoot

and you don’t want an angle locked bearing to undershoot

[fickle saffron]

yes

[plucky flare]

That’s why it droops atm

[tulip lava]

stronger phys bearing locking force pls

I need

mech = not function

[shy grove]

Then I need to update clockwork badly

[plucky flare]

Ye I just gotta implement le funky numbers

[ruby silo]

I can probably make one, they’re easy as fuck to make

[plucky flare]

Also I completely scrapped and redid the universal joint btw

[tulip lava]

oh

[plucky flare]

As well as started on fluid tubes

[fickle saffron]

true

[tulip lava]

let's go

[shy grove]

Nice

[pseudo wharf]

Noice

[pliant wigeon]

epic

[plucky flare]

Universal joint was a little

Honestly I’d like to have a constraint with a maximum AND a minimum distance

[minor kelp]

neither do i
except for some reason fabric fluid stops working as expected

[plucky flare]

Right now there’s only a maximum

Aka rope

[ruby silo]

You literally just need a block colliding with another and you can get propulsion

[plucky flare]

?

That doesn’t work like that

[ruby silo]

Take a piston on another ship and collide it with another

[gray sonnet]

Why do you have to know how it works to code it?

[plucky flare]

That doesn’t generate force that just pushes it out of the ground

[plucky flare]

Ask that to yourself

Slowly

[minor kelp]

tuning pid

is not an easy task

[ruby silo]

I tested it on 2 aircraft that were in the sky

[dusty lotus]

technically you can do that?

but like

[minor kelp]

you'd need to know what does what

[gray sonnet]

Dont i just put random numbers in till it works?

[plucky flare]

They push eachother away

[dusty lotus]

that’s for well documented stuff with easy to follow guides

[minor kelp]

nope

it w o n t work

trust me

i tuned a few before

a god dang p a i n

[ruby silo]

If they stuck to each other then where would they push each other?

[gray sonnet]

If i know what every variable changes i can tune it

[plucky flare]

They would unstick eachother

The collision force would push them out of eachother

[dusty lotus]

not for coding control systems for a mod that came out less than a month ago

[fickle saffron]

potato check dms

its important

[plucky flare]

Collision force is not infinitely strong

[dusty lotus]

is it porn again

[ruby silo]

Stickers

[fickle saffron]

nah

[plucky flare]

Actually collision force is pretty weak

[minor kelp]

just dont add ksp landing gear and you'll be fine

[plucky flare]

Sticker constraints have a max force limit

[minor kelp]

what

[ruby silo]

I tested it and they didn’t break, I did use a lot of stickers though

[minor kelp]

i tortured it

it doesnt break

[gray sonnet]

Wut

[plucky flare]

Listen vs2 collisions are stable enough to make a steering axle by literally just building two ships locked into eachother

[minor kelp]

unlike ksp

[plucky flare]

I sincerely doubt that you are gonna break it enough to propel an entire giant airship with a sticker

[gray sonnet]

Ksp2 is better

[plucky flare]

Maybe if you had a lot of stickers

a lot a lot

[minor kelp]

i guess

[plucky flare]

But even then that’s the stickers doing

[ruby silo]

I literally tested this a few days ago, it worked when I was barely trying

[plucky flare]

I will prove that it is not that easy

At least not on latest build

[gray sonnet]

Vroomtato

What is your flagship

[ruby silo]

Also I wasn’t really talking about using this on large ships, this was more of a way to get rid of fuel costs on a tiny plane

[gray sonnet]

Send picture

[minor kelp]

what fuel cost

[plucky flare]

Even if you did break the engine hard enough for that, it wouldn’t be a good idea to use on a plane

Abusing the collision system is going to get you shipyarded

[minor kelp]

10mb/t is not a lot

nor does 100

[ruby silo]

If you have to put a god damn 2x3x2 tank on your plane for a few minutes of flight time then it could save on the weight of the big ass fuel tank

[minor kelp]

i have my ways
eh you'll know it later

[gray sonnet]

What if i just put myself in shipyard and break everyones ships

[dusty lotus]

one tank lasts 0.6 minutes

[minor kelp]

question: is shipyard even seperated

[dusty lotus]

assuming tick rate is 20

[dusty lotus]

you would become a ghost

[plucky flare]

Checked with null

[minor kelp]

i have 24 afterblazers
think.
i dont see 10mb as a problem

[dusty lotus]

who can’t break blocks

[plucky flare]

The infinite propulsion by power of clipping was fixed when constraint stability was fixed in latest vs2

Apparently null had also located such a skissue (using bearings instead of stickers)

And it doesn’t work anymore

[ruby silo]

Ah

[fickle saffron]

constraints got stronger

and better

[ruby silo]

I will find more ways

[minor kelp]

if you do, just keep it for yourself

[ruby silo]

If I do, I’m 100% using it in cogfight without explaining it

I have a habit of utterly destroying physics engines

[dusty lotus]

doesn’t everyone say that

[gray sonnet]

Whyyyyyy

[ruby silo]

Bro I literally play game for the purpose of destroying the physics, I’ve even created a proper streamlined process

[gray sonnet]

I found it first

Just never said anything

[dusty lotus]

then break the physics

[gray sonnet]

Along with a few other things not discovered yet

[dusty lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[ruby silo]

Already did, got patched

[dusty lotus]

could you find mercy in the bottom of your heart, and perhaps name just one?

[dusty lotus]

so your method of breaking physics was a bug so well known it not only got immediately patched, but was also known by tons of people before it was patched

[gray sonnet]

You can use reaction Wheels as propeller bearings

[plucky flare]

Trust me

If there’s anyone who’s going to break this physics engine

It’s the one making the mod

[fickle saffron]

or me

[plucky flare]

cracks knuckles

I haven’t even built my own fighter

My comrades have ships

But I do not

[fickle saffron]

boss music plays

[plucky flare]

So I am going to use all of my knowledge of the addon I have coded

To produce

Something

That flies

[dusty lotus]

as in?

reactions wheels tend to go insane and throw people around?

[gray sonnet]

I say no more

[dusty lotus]

in that case, I’ll take it as “I correctly guessed it”

[fickle saffron]

iirc reaction wheels were nerfed

cuz their force was for the weight that they did not actually have set

[gray sonnet]

I will fly

To the skys

[fickle saffron]

is that a To the Skies reference????

[gray sonnet]

No never heard of it

[tulip lava]

Like Icarus you've flown too close to the sun. Your hubris has blinded you.

[gray sonnet]

I will fly into the sun

And survive

[dusty lotus]

wait a second

icarus

@fickle saffron wasn’t that your aero-sona

[tawdry dove]

@gray sonnet How are you planning to use GPS, if the GPS requires ground based immovable computers to work?

[shy grove]

im having a glitch where the flaps arent moving on a machine ive already assemebled, like i replaced the flaps, bering, and redstone, but it doenst move the flaps(yes i do have rot force on them

[dusty lotus]

don’t you have hangers

could theoretically put them there

[tawdry dove]

The hangers are removed after we launch

[fickle saffron]

we do a small amount of prediction

[dusty lotus]

do the flaps bearings have rotation

[tawdry dove]

so there is no usable ground after launch

[shy grove]

yes

[dusty lotus]

@plucky flare will that work out?

[shy grove]

when activated the block will do the animation to move, but the flap blocks stay in place

[dusty lotus]

unassemble the flap bearing

and reassemble it

[fickle saffron]

figure it out

[dusty lotus]

wdym figure it out

[shy grove]

already tried

[gray sonnet]

I am not bound to rules

[dusty lotus]

i literally don’t know what the rules are

[dry tide]

can i fill my inventory with strawberry frosting buckets

[fickle saffron]

yes you are

[fickle saffron]

sure

[dusty lotus]

because you have yet to say what they are?

[dry tide]

and after i die can i do it again

[gray sonnet]

What are you gonna do if i break all of them

[fickle saffron]

ban

[pliant wigeon]

no more cogfight for you

[gray sonnet]

O....

Guess i am bound to rules

[fickle saffron]

if you say you are gonna do insert stupid bullshit then you get double banned

[plucky flare]

[dry tide]

bro is gonna hack planes

and hijack them

[plucky flare]

It’s just not gonna work is the answer

If anything requires a ground station for control

[tawdry dove]

fair enough

[plucky flare]

There are no ground stations in this fight

There’s not even ground

[dry tide]

only water

[plucky flare]

And void

[dry tide]

potato i love your work

[plucky flare]

Void below the water

[tawdry dove]

oh well, time to calculate AoA using computers and keep it automatically upright

[plucky flare]

GPS will work better once we add Valkyrien computers next cogfight /j

Btw cogfight 2 will be ground based and probably post lod

[dry tide]

rip

cars and tanks

[plucky flare]

And post vsbodies for wheels actually

[gray sonnet]

I have my ways

[dry tide]

cogfight 3 in space????

[plucky flare]

Cogfight 3 is in the ocean

[gray sonnet]

Do it i dare you

[dusty lotus]

how many months is that

[plucky flare]

Cogfight 4 is in space

Nah jk after 3 we start getting into specific scenarios

[gray sonnet]

Like?

[remote sundial]

(but space would be nice)

[gray sonnet]

Can we do every other week

[fickle saffron]

no

krill yourself

https://tenor.com/view/krill-gif-26227395

[gray sonnet]

..

Why not every day

[fickle saffron]

💀

[dusty lotus]

is there any reason not to

other than the pain of having to moderate it every other week

[gray sonnet]

Yeah every other week

[fickle saffron]

more time to make creative stuff

and because potato and random have a life

and each event is a different theme

[gray sonnet]

I thought my school was going under lockdown just now

They accidentally hit the button

[toxic hedge]

shame

Also. Anyone who breaks the rules knowing they are breaking the rules gets banned from future Cogfights (axolotl especially)

[ruby silo]

I’m using the mod itself more than I’m checking what’s already patched. Also I did this by accident while trying to test something slightly related

[granite marlin]

Are inventory's full of items allowed?. like shafts elytras frosting and such?

[dusty lotus]

elytra banned

iron armor max

[ruby silo]

I’ve broken facepunch’s version of source 2 before and they straight up couldn’t fix it

And that wasn’t even the physics, that was a problem with the audio engine

[granite marlin]

What about create parts or fuel?

[fickle saffron]

thats fine

we get like an hour to prepare

[dry tide]

will solver be in 1.3d for cogfight or nah

also pls someone stream the egg fleet

or make a video

i cant attend

first day

[ruby silo]

That would be kinda annoying to fight against

[lavish meteor]

I’ll have replaymod on

[dry tide]

it makes armor useless

[lavish meteor]

And I’m sure others will too considering it’s in by default

[ruby silo]

Only works if it’s on fabric

[dry tide]

plane armor

[dry tide]

cogfight is on fabric

will we get the vs2 walkie talkie compat or nah

[lavish meteor]

I’m sure that within like two three weeks after this cogfight there’ll be a cinematic video of stuffs

[ruby silo]

Thought it was forge (the more stable version)

[toxic hedge]

Nether are more stable generally. Sometimes a fabric only bug will popup but the same can happen with forge only bugs

[fickle saffron]

yara lets be real

fabric is less stable for clockwrok

[ruby silo]

I thought some of the main functionality was less stable in fabric

[fickle saffron]

it is

fluids litterally dont get consumed still waiting on that new build that fixes them

[dusty lotus]

isn’t S&Box developer only?

[ruby silo]

Yep

I have 800+ hours

[dry tide]

null any updates on the walkie talkie vs compat

[minor kelp]

same

[fickle saffron]

go check the github

[ruby silo]

There’s a preview system, but you need to be accepted

[dusty lotus]

i thought that was only for addon makers?

[ruby silo]

Nope

I applied as a level designer

[minor kelp]

time for project zoe absolutely nothing

[toxic hedge]

Im living in your walls

[ruby silo]

Addon makers are considered more, but if you can make cool shit regardless then you’re in

[opaque idol]

when will the server go up and the ip be made public for cogfight? my ship has some assembly required since it uses physics bearings so i want to be on as early as im allowed to be on the day of

[minor kelp]

the time stated in the rules i gues

[fickle saffron]

everyone gets an hour

[ruby silo]

There might be a 5 minute break before it starts

[minor kelp]

hour

[opaque idol]

starting at the time listed in the rules?

[fickle saffron]

id assume so

[opaque idol]

so the actual fight would start a hour after the time listed then thats good to know thanks

[minor kelp]

verygood

[minor kelp]

a plane, driven by ai
each fight makes it better
the project is on indefinite delay thankfully

[past owl]

who likes very huge ships?

[minor kelp]

prolly axol

[dry tide]

i will make a airship bomber

small one

not a bomber that bombs airships

an airship that is a bomber

[dusty lotus]

please enlighten me as to how you’ll have an ai controlled ship?

for starters, tracking the position

[dry tide]

all controls can be used with computer

but ai?

ya no

not happening

[dusty lotus]

even with valkyrien computers it’s kind of messy

but actually controlling everything on your own?

[plucky flare]

If bisect gives me a second server

I will host cogfight weekly

[dusty lotus]

have you tried asking nicely

[plucky flare]

Ai in lua 💀

Non object oriented ai

[granite marlin]

So like a competition every week?, or like the 3 days on different weeks

[plucky flare]

Idk

The main server is for sundial

Cogfight is borrowing it

I can’t do it every week because the swap over isn’t clean

lol

[plucky flare]

Maybe once the mod releases

[dusty lotus]

lua has OOP

it’s messy and disgusting though

[granite marlin]

What is sundial?

[plucky flare]

Clockwork official server

Currently in the works

By the way cogfighters I’m gonna fix schematics placing on ships before the fight

[granite marlin]

Like a SMP?

[scarlet shard]

is there a limit to how many blocks a phys bearing can turn?

or have I just lagged out my game a ton

[fickle saffron]

HAHAAHAHAHHA

OH IVE JUST MADE THE GREATEST DISCOVERY IN TERMS OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE DEATH CRUISER

THIS BATTLE IS OURS

WEVE ALL BUT WON

funni typo

[scarlet shard]

got danmit, I can't get this dumb ship to glue together properly

[scarlet shard]

well that's foreboding

[fickle saffron]

axol is litterally fucked if i can get this to full operational capacity

[worthy prairie]

how big is your ship

[fickle saffron]

lemme count

about 125 blocks long

[pliant wigeon]

Prob wont stand a chance against The Throngler

/j

[opaque idol]

my thing is still probably the only ship in cogfight that can play basketball

[toxic hedge]

Do it

[opaque idol]

what just play basketball the whole battle be too cool for anyone to dare to try and take me down?

[pliant wigeon]

yo

ballin

[opaque idol]

i said my ship can play basketball

i however suck at piloting it so probably wont be doing a whole lot of that

[hasty kestrel]

Will there ever be a cogfight were tank dropships (like AT-TE dropships if you know what I mean) are allowed to be used?

maybe a battle where you can have 3 vehicles as backup, 2 ground and 1 air

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQpHKNFmDyI&t=15s

like the first clip

[granite marlin]

Is sundial public?

[hasty kestrel]

sundial is closed till clockwork releases

[granite marlin]

Ok. also found the thread

[scarlet shard]

will we have access to commands like "vs_clockwork bluper" and "create glue"?

when setting up our ships

[plucky flare]

People carrying their combat meta cogfight planes over to sundial trying to land https://youtu.be/DzgHZ5DOH6c

[scarlet shard]

lmao

[opaque idol]

there is also a really irritating bug with stickers when i assemble them multiple times using physics bearings they end up multiplying the end of them and making my build ugly if you could look at that before cogfight i would really appreciate it (when i say assemble multiple times i mean i assemble one physics bearing at the top and the stickers are at the bottom then i assembl the one in the middle and the stickers at the bottom leave the top of them in the old location)

leaves it looking like this

[pliant wigeon]

try f3+a?

create does funky rendering sometimes

[opaque idol]

realoding chunks tends to make this build fall apart though since it has so many physics bearings at least 1 always comes apart

or at least thats how it works when i relog lemme see if its the same with f3+a

[plucky flare]

What

[opaque idol]

didnt break it this time at least

thanks vroomuc

[plucky flare]

What version of clockwork are you using

Physics bearings don’t fall apart in latest

And on that note

[opaque idol]

pretty sure its the latest

[plucky flare]

F3+a isn’t the same as rejoining

[opaque idol]

yeah just discovered that

this one latest or nah?

[plucky flare]

They should recreate the constraints upon world rejoin

If it’s breaking you’re doing some sus shit

[opaque idol]

well i have like 5 physics bearings per tentacle

when i relog first it looks like this

then i reload chunks a couple times

and it looks like this

strangely enough the main body of the ship stays in place despite having no propellers active i assume it just hasnt realized the limbs are gone yet

[dry tide]

yo this is that big drill

[opaque idol]

yes the one that can play basketball if you are a great pilot

i gotta go eat brb

[fickle saffron]

@gray sonnet im already doing more then your ship can, mine actually flies

[pliant wigeon]

Talking about that

[plucky flare]

Oh wait

[pliant wigeon]

On a scale from 1-10 how much trollage does your thing cause

[plucky flare]

Are you using stickers to attach limbs

Bearings do not let go but stickers do

On world reload

[hasty kestrel]

[dry tide]

this is overkill tbh

im just trying to have fun 😭

[fickle saffron]

eh dw its a support ship, not full offense

THATS WHAT THE BOMBERS AND FIGHTERS ARE FOR

[plucky flare]

My fighter will be full offense

[fickle saffron]

AHHHAHAHAHAH

[plucky flare]

A full offense to the eyes probably

[pliant wigeon]

I wish I had time to participate and to make myself a goobermobile

[opaque idol]

nope the stickers arent even turned on in any of those they are there so it can grab other ships

i can send you the schematic if you wanna do your own testing see whats up if its a bigger problem with the mod or anything like that

[dry tide]

im gonna get mauled arent i

i will get blown up

[opaque idol]

thats generally the goal yes

[opaque idol]

i named it "The Parasite" since it can latch on to a big ship and deploy troops into it to take it over

[pseudo wharf]

same

when last version clockwork

[plucky flare]

im preparing the cogfight build rn

squashing some last bugs

and making some final

adjustments

:)

[pliant wigeon]

cogwork clockfight build

[hasty kestrel]

watch him make every non vanilla block weigh a ton

[plucky flare]

nono

no weights yet

infact

these changes may benefit you

[opaque idol]

dropping the weight to 0 so we all just go to space

[ruby silo]

set it to a negative value so that it goes up

[opaque idol]

every block becomes a eureka balloon

[hasty kestrel]

by the way, will endstone have negative weight

cause jk

endstone makes islands float

otherwise purper

[ruby silo]

do some blocks have negative weight?

or is it all just really low

[hasty kestrel]

bedrock has 0 and it glitches out when you use it

[dry tide]

all unweighted blocks are 100kg

[plucky flare]

🤨

[dry tide]

super light

[plucky flare]

it cant have 0

krunch doesnt support 0 weight iirc

[ruby silo]

what values would imply that it goes up rather than down?

[plucky flare]

none

[hasty kestrel]

then wtf is up with bedrock

[plucky flare]

things dont naturally float up

bedrock is just fucked

[hasty kestrel]

lmao ok

[ruby silo]

balloons

[hasty kestrel]

those work differently

they are "build different" 🦾

[fickle saffron]

Which is why bedrock shadow realms

Because bedrock is 0

[plucky flare]

those dont naturally float up

they have forces applied to them

there is no such thing as negative mass

[fickle saffron]

Even aero knows that

[hasty kestrel]

even aero

what are they up to these days

[plucky flare]

levitite/endstone in aero just have like

really really strong drag

thats all i know

[fickle saffron]

Aka not negative mass

[hasty kestrel]

levitite, more like valkyrium

[fickle saffron]

Because even aero knows thats not how physics work

[ruby silo]

indeed, negative mass isnt a thing, i was mostly joking

[dry tide]

only mostly

[fickle saffron]

was not a jab at anyone, just stating

[scarlet shard]

wait, we'll be able to place schematics on ships by tomorrow?

[hasty kestrel]

that would solve an important issue

[scarlet shard]

same

[plucky flare]

if you're wondering what trollage im doing

[fickle saffron]

[hasty kestrel]

potato please make this happen we believe in you

[ruby silo]

didnt take it as such, i was agreeing with you and stating my intentions in the conversation early before someone makes an absolute baffoon of themselves trying to make fun of me or anyone else lol

[hasty kestrel]

oh god

[fickle saffron]

potato said its really easy

[hasty kestrel]

I don't use afterburners luckily

or unluckily

[fickle saffron]

true

[fickle saffron]

very unluckily

like

[plucky flare]

afterblazers just got fixed :)

[fickle saffron]

so unlucky

[plucky flare]

from a bug

theyve had since their inception

[fickle saffron]

lets just say, things are about to get... very...very interesting

[plucky flare]

they now do what they were made to do

[hasty kestrel]

burn after?

[fickle saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-sonic-doctor-eggman-sega-gif-16188593

[scarlet shard]

I've got a multi-segmented ship and being able to put on a segment on after I've got the first one connected to the phys-bearing is wonderful

[hasty kestrel]

imagine

you land your plane

[plucky flare]

anyways...

anyone have a good sonic boom sound effect?

[hasty kestrel]

your afterburners turn on

💀

[hasty kestrel]

make all the planes breaking the sound barrier disintegrate

[fickle saffron]

FINALLY

[plucky flare]

what if i just make it play egg reverie whenever you're flying that fast

[hasty kestrel]

yes, and bad piggies the rest of the time

add both as a disk by the way

i beg you

[toxic hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-colors-no-copyright-law-in-the-universe-is-going-to-stop-me-copyright-law-sonic-gif-21720753

[scarlet shard]

oh sweet, we're gonna have a sonic boom sound effect?

I doubt I'll be flying that fast, but it's neat that it's there

[finite nexus]

Do afterblazers really work that well at higher altitudes?

[pulsar veldt]

Oh yes

[fickle saffron]

yes

[finite nexus]

Damn

Might have to put some on the jankcopter

Like could a afterburner at like y = 2ish hundred carry several netherite blocks?

[past owl]

any rewards for winning the event?

[finite nexus]

I hope there's a special role or something

Idc too much tho

[fickle saffron]

the lower the afterblazer the worse it works

prob would not work well at y = 2

[finite nexus]

2 hundred ish

I said 2ish hundred

[hasty kestrel]

Does Distant Horizons already work with VS?

[dusty lotus]

aero lookin ass mf

[hasty kestrel]

not talking about aero

idc about aero

when it has no release

I'm talking about vanilla end islands

[finite nexus]

It's probably since they are blast resistant and if they weighed like nothing could be op

But idk

[dusty lotus]

maybe the end just has extremely gfucked up air density, which is why islands float

[hasty kestrel]

or the islands fall... endlessly

or chorusfruit is light and uhh the middle island is in creative mode

[earnest hound]

but there is gravity

for the player

[dusty lotus]

maybe the end isn’t real

[hasty kestrel]

yeah exactly

that's why my endstone light conclusion

[dusty lotus]

and the end portal actually just made steve into a coma

[hasty kestrel]

great sentence

[dusty lotus]

where he imagined the end

[past owl]

is there a limit as how big a ship can be or there is straight up no limit?

[earnest hound]

i love old minecraft fanfics about the end

i remember reading that shit when i was like at 6th grade with my tablet

[dusty lotus]

no limit

but presumably the ship shouldn’t crash this server when assembled

[hasty kestrel]

where is the server located

don't want to be in a 500 kilometer radius when cogfight starts

[ruby silo]

how big is the map? there's gotta be a border to the map so that people dont just fly into infinity

[hasty kestrel]

i thought 2000x2000 iirc

[tulip lava]

3k by 3k

[hasty kestrel]

oh better

[tulip lava]

it's in ohio

[hasty kestrel]

epic

[tulip lava]

so the blast should be contained

[hasty kestrel]

lmao

a nasa computer that actually launches

when the server launches twice 💀

[tulip lava]

and the instant the fight starts we lose a state

the great 49 states of America

now with the crater of Ohio

[hasty kestrel]

and the saddest thing about that

is that the second and third rounds will be discontinued

[worthy prairie]

jokes on you mine barely takes off

[finite nexus]

Im proud to announce that my vehicle is a certified bad piggies vehicle

[tulip lava]

LET'S GOOOOOOOO

[hasty kestrel]

I'm proud to announce that my VTOL finally works after like 2 weeks

[tulip lava]

post

I want see

uh oh

[hasty kestrel]

Will there eventually be a more modern cogfight? With crafts & additions and IE, maybe later swap IE out with mekanism and the military addons

[scarlet shard]

are we gonna get the universal joint before the event? my current ship kinda needs it to function

[worthy prairie]

anyone wanna see my test flight my plane

[fickle saffron]

is it a video?

[worthy prairie]

nah im streaming it in "gamer chat"

#616484715938971688

but no one be watching it

you should watch it 👍

[scarlet shard]

Welp, guess I'll just have to hope then

[worthy prairie]

anyone

and my screen recording thing aint working

rip

[fickle saffron]

fri sat sun

[scarlet shard]

#clockwork-🕛 message
The exact times for your timezone should be in this message

[scarlet shard]

Btw nullharp, do ya know if the universal joint will be releasing before cogfight tomorrow?

[fickle saffron]

dunno

[bright bear]

holy shit is this crimson skies high road to revenge hit game for the xbox original from 2003 by FASA studio makes of crimson skies PC? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimson_Skies:_High_Road_to_Revenge

[scarlet shard]

Damn, guess I'm just gonna have to wait and see, as well as make some last minute adjustments to my ship so that it can work without the joint if it needs to

Huh, we've got 20 teams participating now

So probably 75 or so players/ships, will the server really be able to handle this many?

[fickle saffron]

e

[gray sonnet]

@minor kelp

my protocol is impossible to be affected by jamming or replay attacks

or being intercepted

[fickle saffron]

there is a difference between being intercepted and being decrypted yk

[gray sonnet]

good luck decrypting 4 different algorithms

[lavish meteor]

Shhhhh

[fickle saffron]

bro forgor how to english

[gray sonnet]

i corrected it

wait

there

lol

[lavish meteor]

Hah

[scarlet shard]

Sooooo, how many of ya'll are gonna post your ship in showcase after the event?

I know I am, as well as possibly a few others on my team

[worldly cypress]

we might show it off in showcase tho, no schem

[bright bear]

how many people per team? I heard 4 max, but the team lists show more than that

[fickle saffron]

correct, 4 active members per team

[scarlet shard]

Oh, yeah, that's what I meant

[worldly cypress]

ah yeah

def

[scarlet shard]

I'm only gonna post my second ship though, don't think the first one is really worth the trouble+I've already shared some screenshots in here

And as for a schematic.. I'd say it's a bit too much trouble to put together than anyone would care to put the effort into

[gray sonnet]

i might post my schematic

[scarlet shard]

At least post some screenshots of it afterwards, I'm still rather curious about what it looks like

[gray sonnet]

today i did my first test flight

i can comfirm it flies

and pid controller is tuned

i am all set for event

[supple kestrel]

Is eureka in this?

Cause I want a blimp, and clockwork don't wanna ballooner

[scarlet shard]

Nope, just clockwork

[supple kestrel]

Alright

[fervent heron]

@gray sonnet you need to register your team

[gray sonnet]

i litteraly just did

lol

[fickle saffron]

ballooner better

ballooner is functional enough that stable balloons arent that hard anymore

[supple kestrel]

Well I had a balloon goong for 90 minutes eating 800 buckets of frosting and it didn't work

[fickle saffron]

just make a better balloon

[supple kestrel]

It was massive trying to lift some planks

[fickle saffron]

you built it wrong most likley

[supple kestrel]

And then I tried a creative based one, didn't work

[fickle saffron]

ye you defo built it wrong

💀

could you seen some screenshots

[supple kestrel]

Shaft in bottom, frosting in the side

Check addon talk

I left pics in there

[finite nexus]

yo im seeing theres teams with more than 4 in the teams for cogfight chat, whats that all about?

[fickle saffron]

only 4 active members

the rest are extras

so like builders and stuff

[finite nexus]

alright makes sense

[granite marlin]

Are we allowed to have building blocks and wrenches in our inv?

[gray sonnet]

you scared?

[gray sonnet]

how you gonna get em

[granite marlin]

From creative, we aren't building these machines in survival

It just has to be able to be made in survival, as in no creative only blocks or items

[gray sonnet]

did you forget?

we are building vehicals rn

than loading in the schem

during the event

[barren jungle]

@gray sonnet can i join your group?

[gray sonnet]

active players are full

you wouldnt be able to play in event

[granite marlin]

Yeah but i am asking if we are allowed to bring items into the event like a wrench or building blocks, or a linked controller

[gray sonnet]

yeah

iron armor is aloud too

and weapons

[finite nexus]

lol no

[gray sonnet]

you should be

[finite nexus]

yeah but i dont really feel like it

[supple kestrel]

@barren jungle you can join I.M.P.

We only have 2 people

[barren jungle]

oke but since i use cracked idk if i can join

so sure

dm me inv

[barren jungle]

but i use cracked so i cant play in event anyway

i can supply you with planes tho

[lavish latch]

Monthly was confirmed

Wow that was far back wasn’t it

Blame my chat not scrolling XD

[minor kelp]

webhooksexist

[minor kelp]

tracking i do have a few ways, but all of them i dont know if its even sufficient

[lavish latch]

What’s the player/team cap btw

As in how many teams Ik it’s 4 active members max

[minor kelp]

huh

idk

[minor kelp]

yea thats the entire thing not making this exactly viable
addition of vc will though be warned

[lavish latch]

Sounds like the plan fact kind of thing I oughta research when I start the Jeager

[gray sonnet]

I do actually have a project similar to this

[gray sonnet]

Bro

You are gonna run out of ideas

[dry tide]

what ideas

if he repeats it 1 million times im attending every single time

weekly plane fights

hosted by the creator of clockwork

[toxic hedge]

Lets go using potatos popularity to increase eventssss hehe

[gray sonnet]

We gotta get good footage of cogfight then

[toxic hedge]

Good idea

[lavish meteor]

Honestly just

Everyone who can have replay mod

On*

[toxic hedge]

We can use reply mod or spectator account

[dry tide]

i can go faster than bullets but i cant render fast enough

[lavish meteor]

Do

I will personally have both replay mod and an audio recording

[finite nexus]

@devout sparrow @trim badger

[gray sonnet]

Replay mod

[lavish meteor]

Also

[toxic hedge]

Ok then we can put a reply mod on everyones game

[lavish meteor]

I’ve had like actually negative time

To built a bigger vessel

So I’m just foregoing having a refueling vessel

And instead

Right after school tomorrow I’ll speedrun a larger slower against-bigger-targets plane

[dry tide]

in-air refueling

imagine the possibilites

tubes are gonna be insane

[gray sonnet]

I personally am

Wouldn't be to hard to make everyone submit there footage its already in the pack

[dry tide]

after i see who dominates today

[lavish meteor]

Fuck

[dry tide]

im gonna steal

[lavish meteor]

You know what

I’ll shoehorn in VTOL

easily

Because that would be really useful for MAYBE refueling

[trim badger]

Got the plane

[dry tide]

since the ground will be water

just make an aircraft carrier

[dry tide]

its a biplane

sheeesh

[gray sonnet]

Tmr for me

[lavish meteor]

Can’t

I’ll have four hours

And hold myself too much to tight calibrations

[gray sonnet]

Do you have one?

How would you make it fly

[lavish meteor]

I need to make an easy design

[lavish meteor]

Giant ass props ofc

And a thrust vectoring computer

Based off of COM

[dry tide]

a boat aircraft carrier

[trim badger]

l so I realized the decorative blocks isnt in the pack

erm

[dry tide]

the ground is water in cogfight

[lavish meteor]

Which you could easily get the exact location of if you put VC on the pack, copy what it tells you, and remove it

[gray sonnet]

I actually have a carrier for cogfight

You will see it in action tmr

[dry tide]

and you will see it blown up

[lavish meteor]

There is a reason why I’m making VTOL

I don’t want to make something that always has to move slowly, no matter the defenses

[gray sonnet]

Nah i will experience it

[lavish meteor]

Some schmuck (/goofy) will always just board and crystal my ass

So I make something that slows down when refueling

And otherwise goes at a reasonable speed

[dry tide]

just be too small and quick to be boarded

[lavish meteor]

Exactly

I wanna be able to just fucking

[gray sonnet]

Potato should make strawberry frosting explode

[lavish meteor]

Aileron roll

Ezpz

[dry tide]

ive been asking for flammability for 5 days now

everything frosting is stored in explodes

and it causes chain reactions

[gray sonnet]

Yess i am with you

[dry tide]

#1103703417941151814 message

[gray sonnet]

Next cogfight is gonna be amazing with vc

[toxic hedge]

Imo theres a 99% chance cogfight instantly devolves into people crashing without even other players attacking them

[lavish meteor]

Same here

But I can hope

(And cope)

[gray sonnet]

Probably lol

[minor kelp]

likely due to lag

[toxic hedge]

Well first test run

Guess we see how it is

[dry tide]

i will probably crash into other planes

and we all go into the void

[lavish meteor]

By when must we have teams registered for coggy cog?

[gray sonnet]

I feel bad for people piloting planes

[toxic hedge]

Soon

Like asap

[lavish meteor]

Presumed so

[gray sonnet]

I registered mine today

[minor kelp]

well I literally hate you for it
The lag
W h y

[toxic hedge]

Its a test runnnnn

Kinda

[minor kelp]

oh

[toxic hedge]

I mean it is a real event

[dry tide]

its 2 birds in 1 stone

[toxic hedge]

But lets be honest its untested atm so its kinda just hope and pray

[gray sonnet]

This is the test

[minor kelp]

if everyone could take off
tbh there isnt a loss

[gray sonnet]

I legit think like 60 people will show up

[toxic hedge]

Doubtttt

[minor kelp]

also hows the stability

[gray sonnet]

What do you think

Me?

I mean i tuned pid controler

All of them

[minor kelp]

so it had took off

[toxic hedge]

What?

[gray sonnet]

How many people do you think will show up

[minor kelp]

tuning it, requires you to look on the affect of the tuned value and turn it accordingly

[toxic hedge]

I have no idea. Id assume 40 max

[gray sonnet]

Yes it flys

[minor kelp]

nice

[gray sonnet]

I put it in a glass cube

And tuned it

[minor kelp]

is the flight stable

[gray sonnet]

Yes

You can even take out chunks of propellor

[minor kelp]

thats i in effect
But heres a thing: ask your teammate if it was a pain tuning

[gray sonnet]

We did it together

[toxic hedge]

Ok good

[minor kelp]

was it hard

[gray sonnet]

I mean it wasn't too hard

I was following a tutorial on tuning it tho

[minor kelp]

oh

tbh the reason my older code was hard cause it was a rocket landing program

[toxic hedge]

Cant wait til someone writes a simulator that takes a schematic and automatically tunes it

Only slightly super complex

[minor kelp]

autotuningpid
Ah yes

[gray sonnet]

Sounds hard

[minor kelp]

wait

[toxic hedge]

I mean a flight for a ship not pid

[minor kelp]

wdym simulation

[gray sonnet]

I don't think you need to simulate it to tune it

Just some annoying math

[toxic hedge]

Someone needs to make a client side mod that shows the center of mass, center of lift and center of thrust

[minor kelp]

You do tho

you do need to simulate it on the fly to tune it

[gray sonnet]

Eh

[minor kelp]

doing it manually you prob dont notice

but you cant just jam the schematic in a non-sim to tune it

[gray sonnet]

First thing it did when i turned it on is snack into the roof

[minor kelp]

CoM is visualized
Not CoP or CoT

[toxic hedge]

I know

I mean like a cleaner view, could even display thru blocks so you dont need to f3-a

[gray sonnet]

F3-b?

Also why do people keep saying that it shows center of mass

If doesn't

Shows the center

Thats it

@toxic hedge

[pliant wigeon]

It shows the center of mass

Place a netherite block and a andesite casing next to each other and look where the yellow box is

[toxic hedge]

💀

[minor kelp]

For COP in my plane is eyeballed

i would like a client mod

to not eyeball again

[tulip lava]

we did it