Cogfight

[fickle saffron]

wait wtf

air pressure

saves?????

since when????

well not air pressur

balloon design*

air pressure has saved for awhile

but not the actual balloon

wait nvm,

im a dumbass

forgor i did set static

meaning this will fall like a brick

[worldly cypress]

Because we actually like a balanced game

[fickle saffron]

who let axols alt on the server

[worldly cypress]

That's about fighting with ships

[brittle needle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/864187416621088778/1068080416487112814/uncaption.gif

oops

[gray sonnet]

bruh

dont do control control b in minecraft

unless your blind

[brittle needle]

well its a fitting moji

[gray sonnet]

i acidently did it

[brittle needle]

because nullharp my treamate is being too rude

[gray sonnet]

bro

why did you team with nullharp

[proper kayak]

amecs

baby

amecs

[fickle saffron]

not on my team

[proper kayak]

https://modrinth.com/mod/amecs

[scarlet shard]

do afterblazers need intake rn?

[fickle saffron]

no

[desert heart]

Like what

[scarlet shard]

aight

[pliant wigeon]

/tp @v[limit=1]

[scarlet shard]

so afterblazers just need frosting and a redstone signal?

they don't need any rotational power?

[plucky flare]

Nope

[scarlet shard]

great, thanks

hmmmm, this may be a very bad idea

afterblazers are gonna take 8 mb/t in the next nightly, correct?

[shy grove]

Yes, and if your thinking of doing a bunch of them together, it works currently with the current afterblazers, I have a jet with 16 of them

[scarlet shard]

yeah, I was thinking of doing a decent amount of em

and the fuel cost seems manageable

[prime trench]

this server is gonna be so unstable 😨

A good stress test tho

[scarlet shard]

yeah lmao

[finite nexus]

Is recording allowed?

[ruby torrent]

it better be 💀

[fickle saffron]

no all information cant be disclosed

ever

for any reason

jk

obv you can record

[finite nexus]

Sick

[ruby torrent]

we make everyone participating sign an NDA 💀

can't be leaking the

uh

minecraft event footage

confidential stuff here

[hasty kestrel]

can you believe it guys?

Cogfight!

just 2 days away!

I am so excited about this information

Cogfight!

just 2 days away

Wohoo!

It got here so fast!

I am so happy about this information

[fickle saffron]

NOT THAT MEME

[hasty kestrel]

Oh wow!

[fickle saffron]

also not even accurate

cuz its like 2 days

[hasty kestrel]

Can you believe it?

[hasty kestrel]

🤓

[opaque idol]

my ships physics bearings still all go wonky if i log off and back on but it works ok as long as that doesnt happen so i should be ready

[kind sandal]

how do u play

i wanna cogfight

[finite nexus]

You get a ship that obeys the rules and register ur team

Multiple ships or planes actually

[kind sandal]

ok ima register my team

[finite nexus]

Check pins for more info

[kind sandal]

or join one

idc

[dry tide]

are the create deco metals all banned for the event or will we get weight for them

[hasty kestrel]

only netherite is banned

[worthy prairie]

my plane sorta kinda didnt take off

i have 10 afterburners

[hasty kestrel]

L

[worthy prairie]

and a 8-10 block propeller aswell

[lavish meteor]

Afterburners actually like dookie water at low alt

[lavish meteor]

Oh my

Did it like

Move

At all?

If it didn’t, your physics crashed, and you gotta reload the world

[worthy prairie]

it moved, didnt take off, and then physics crashed/instance crashed

[hasty kestrel]

or they did not assemble their ship lol

[worthy prairie]

im not a dumbass

[hasty kestrel]

Oh.

Why is endstone so heavy in VS?

there are literal islands of it just floating in the air?

[dry tide]

lets gooo

im using zinc for my sharkplane

will post showcase video tmrw

[gray scarab]

armor tier?

[finite nexus]

If by armor you mean for your person then iron

[dry tide]

can it be enchanted

prot 4 yk

[scarlet shard]

huh, didn't realize one could get to y 3k with a ship, these afterburners are pretty neat

[finite nexus]

Yes

I tested the afterburners and they were sorta bad but i was close to the ground so idk

[scarlet shard]

I've just gotten to Y 4k

and this thing is mostly made up of obsidian too

to be fair tho, it is 10 afterburners

[hasty kestrel]

surely hope I won't be fighting you then

[scarlet shard]

lmao

can't even go up this high in the event anyways

[hasty kestrel]

[runic stratus]

i hear orbital bombardment becoming a legit threat with the solver

[fickle saffron]

they get stronger the higher they are

until they hit the cap

[finite nexus]

Alright

Where is le cap?

[runic stratus]

in the sky

[finite nexus]

Damn never thought of that

[runic stratus]

yeah common misconception that the cap is in the ground

[finite nexus]

I honestly thought it was underground

[fickle saffron]

nah thats propellors /hj

well ig the limit

would be better word

[scarlet shard]

hmmm, I'm having a slight problem with my ship, that being that it won't get off the ground without a 1000 block runway...

[runic stratus]

is it a space shuttle?

[scarlet shard]

not really, but it might as well be

[runic stratus]

launch vertically

[scarlet shard]

I used obsidian as the main block, which I think as the problem

[runic stratus]

:|

[ruby torrent]

we're on the same team dawg 💀

all three of us

[runic stratus]

man i really wanted to join cogfight :(

[scarlet shard]

gonna need to replace it with something lighter in a bunch of places probably

guess I can't just have obsidian everywhere as armour

[runic stratus]

also goddamn tato called out my ships entire thing

I wonder if anyone has cannons on the bottom of their ships tho

[scarlet shard]

oooh, that sounds night

[ruby torrent]

just use a bomb 💀

[runic stratus]

no no

see

[ruby torrent]

if you're going to have a cannon put it on the top or side

[runic stratus]

we would latch onto your side

then

we use ap to board your ship

then we steal your fuel

and we split

woulve called it the henry 8

[ruby torrent]

good luck when you're not in the comp 💀

[runic stratus]

welp id like to give it to someone as i want to see if it would work

[hasty kestrel]

joke flew right over your head

just like this uhh plane

[runic stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/airplane-dancing-dance-dance-moves-dancing-airplane-gif-18115923

most stable cogfight ship

[hasty kestrel]

true

can't wait for gyroscope stabilizers

[runic stratus]

yeah

[ruby torrent]

computercraft moment

[runic stratus]

but can cc even detect angles whilst on a ship i havent tried yet

i thought it needed valk cc

[hasty kestrel]

Yeah you need the ship reader

[runic stratus]

well i aint playing anyway what ship are you guys using

[hasty kestrel]

epic vtol

[runic stratus]

oooh

[lavish meteor]

i just got a

horrible horrible horrible idea

that i know would work

[hasty kestrel]

(Still doesn’t work) (it did but it decided not to today)

[runic stratus]

:(

[runic stratus]

remember

its not stupid

if it works

[hasty kestrel]

Words to live by

-every redneck engineer

[runic stratus]

ill see if later today i can get some screenshots of the helran so you guys can point out how badly it wouldve gone

[lavish meteor]

fair

[runic stratus]

they should totally make frosting explode when shot with cbc like it should begin burning, that would make for some pretty epic ship takedowns

[desert heart]

Have you ever seen frosting spontaneously combust?

[lavish meteor]

no but

they bring up a good point

there should be a real weak point of some sort other than just the pilot

[runic stratus]

well it wouldnt be spontaneous i mean ap shells if they are shaped they would ignite whatever is on the other side

[lavish meteor]

i mean like look at ftd, a game all about building and blowing up war vehicles

[runic stratus]

yes

[lavish meteor]

not only do you have the AI (equivalent to an airship captain, but can be and is usually encased in thick armor near the heart of the thing) but you also have ammo storage

which is necessary not necessarily to store ammo as its name would imply, but to convert generic resources into ammo that can be used for your weapons at a faster rate

[runic stratus]

and 1 block of heavy armour between plus spacing and surge protectors

[lavish meteor]

which would be basically impossible to put into this and honestly shouldn't be integrated into this in that way

[runic stratus]

true

[lavish meteor]

but the idea of having some kind of explosive and very important part of the ship is yeah

[runic stratus]

well i think important is engines and fuel rn

i mean my entire ship just steals your fuel and you fall out of the sky

[desert heart]

Rotational power lines?

[runic stratus]

phaps

[desert heart]

Propulsion?

[runic stratus]

there are a lot of systems

[desert heart]

Yes

[runic stratus]

a lot can be replaced

but fuel not really

unless you yoink it from others

[desert heart]

"Replaced" means someone needs to actively be there.

[runic stratus]

yes

[desert heart]

And fix it BEFORE you plummet into the water

The two together is a big ask

[runic stratus]

hence why my ship is so goofy

[lavish meteor]

not the same

they're essential arteries mostly spread throughout the ship

and have to reach the outer parts

meanwhile fuel tanks mostly just stay in one place and have one or a few pipe connections to mostly just one place

unless you have a solver

[desert heart]

Rotational power also mostly leads to one of at most a few places

Depends on the scale of the design of course

[runic stratus]

welp i only suggested bc funny didnt mean for this to be actual discussion

[lavish meteor]

if you have a prop, they reach there, but most people will likely use props and or afterblazers for stabilization systems of larger crafts

[desert heart]

But if you have several motors, might as well have several fuel tanks

[lavish meteor]

as for planes, when you make compact ones it's basically just a bundle of rotational power anyway

i do see the angle of rotational power being a good weakpoint

[runic stratus]

hehe anti air go brrrrrrrrrrrrrt

well it already is

i just like big boom boom

[desert heart]

I do forsee that on planes in particular, cutting a single shaft will likely cause the thing to enter a death spiral

[runic stratus]

even shoooting a wing they will lose control rather fast

but a good pilot and speed and hiding in airship blind spots

your plane might win

i think planes will do better than airships tho

[lavish meteor]

yeah

i mean looking at my plane design

[desert heart]

Hmm.

[lavish meteor]

cutting a single shaft would remove pitch controls entirely

[desert heart]

Provided the airship HAS blind spots

[lavish meteor]

if i made a bigger plane

I'd 100% add redundancy though

[runic stratus]

most do

mine doesnt

[lavish meteor]

just looking at the logic behind redundant hydraulic lines in planes

especially modern ones made for war

[desert heart]

May I say
With no offense meant to anyone
Skill issue?

[runic stratus]

hehehe

[lavish meteor]

my airship is like actually gonna be a da vinci tank

granted

that means i have blindspots above and below me

and i will die from that

[runic stratus]

i mean mine is too small to have blind spots

[lavish meteor]

but hell it'll be fun

[desert heart]

More like
A Da Vinci flying saucer

[lavish meteor]

lmao yeah

[desert heart]

I'm looking forward to seeing you fly. Even if briefly.

[scarlet shard]

Anyone know what weight create casings are?

[fickle saffron]

100

like everything in create

none of it has weight yet

[scarlet shard]

All of them?

[fickle saffron]

it will after cogfight

[scarlet shard]

Ah, aight

[desert heart]

Oh so before Cogfight, no weights will be changed?

[fickle saffron]

iirc

[agile jasper]

Hey so guys can I have cast iron armor on planes? I don’t remember, but I think that it’s equal to normal iron

because my whole plane is kinda made of cast iron...

[prime trench]

hey thats a nice looking plane

[agile jasper]

thanks!

I converted it to be mostly afterblazer powered now

[finite nexus]

is there a way to get all the mods at once or do i just go through each link

[heady gust]

@plucky flare can we enchant

[fickle saffron]

install it using a curseforge compatible launcher

[finite nexus]

what?

how?

just dump it in the curseforge mod folder?

[fickle saffron]

non

o

use the import a modpack thing

to import the pack

here il screenshot what i mean

click import

then select the pack

[finite nexus]

oh shit thats so much easier

thanks

[minor kelp]

if it is the updated solver

current 1.3c solver has 20 block damn range

[worldly cypress]

it doesnt even have textures, lol.

[minor kelp]

true

time to mount ridicule amount of autocannon on my plane cause laser isnt usable

kidding

[gray sonnet]

I have finished my code

After 350 lines

[minor kelp]

the hell did you make
did you make a control system for everything on your ship

[scarlet shard]

Axolotl's ship is weird, nobody has seen it, but it seems to have an equal chance to, A: crash the server, B: just straight up crash, or C: somehow obliterate the entire competition

[minor kelp]

likely a, from the looks of it

[scarlet shard]

Lmao, yeah

[minor kelp]

if not a, b and c has equal chance

my plane cant fly well in low tps scenarios

[scarlet shard]

Oh wait, almost forgot option D: get disqualified

[minor kelp]

lol

also likely

[gray sonnet]

Hey

I don't have bedrock anymore

[minor kelp]

good

bedrock is, impossible to fight with

[gray sonnet]

Still need to wire all kinetics to engines tho

[scarlet shard]

I'm honestly just gonna use vanilla blocks for shielding, most likely won't get disqualified that way

[gray sonnet]

Hopefully i can do first test flight TMR

[minor kelp]

i also, do

hopefully your pc doesnt die

[gray sonnet]

You see if you have conplete autopilot no need to worry about fps

[scarlet shard]

Hopefully my PC doesn't die trying to load into the server, 40+ people and ships all in the same place? Sounds like it might be hell

[minor kelp]

i am not worring about your fps, i am worrying about tps

server's tps

[gray sonnet]

Eh even if its one physics frame every 100 seconds i can still fly

[minor kelp]

nobody else can

[gray sonnet]

Computer can

[minor kelp]

and its not a competition anymore

[gray sonnet]

Its cogfight?

Its war

[minor kelp]

its war, but not a war against the server host

[scarlet shard]

Yeah, but we're not warring with lag machines

[gray sonnet]

Kinda is with this much people

[scarlet shard]

Which I believe are against the rules

[minor kelp]

common sense tbh

[gray sonnet]

I don't have a lag machine

[minor kelp]

it might lag the server tho

[gray sonnet]

So will you

[minor kelp]

and consideration is all down to the admin

[minor kelp]

how i dont even use an airship

[gray sonnet]

Everyone lags it some bit

[minor kelp]

everyone adds a delay to the physics calculation yes

but you are likely to add a lot

[gray sonnet]

This is all assuming i can even fly

[minor kelp]

this is assuming you can load without server crashing

[gray sonnet]

Its not thatttt big

[minor kelp]

heh???

can you give me a rough estimate of your ship's size

[gray sonnet]

250 by 50

[minor kelp]

thats.....
really big compared to me

[gray sonnet]

well yeah

its designed to hold other ships

anyway

gotta sleep

[minor kelp]

k
good night

[minor kelp]

why for some reason my plane's flight characteristics change when i relog

[tulip lava]

I have some bad news

bedrock has literally 0 weight

if it don't fly with bedrock it ain't flying

[toxic hedge]

💀💀💀

Axol your ship is… terrifying

Your super secret legendary ship

That cant even get off the ground on a block with 0 weight

[minor kelp]

when i reconstruct it in a new world, it flies great
when i relog, it always wants to roll l e f t

[pliant wigeon]

"swap out bedrock"

[minor kelp]

likely for netherite
not confident it will fly though

[pliant wigeon]

Bro so far has used:
Command blocks
Bedrock
Prob something more

[minor kelp]

his ship will probably not fly

[minor kelp]

yep

bedrock and cmd blocks are too exotic for me

likely that he had networked his entire ship

dont complain when someone boarded his ship and jam the hell out of his network

[minor kelp]

his ship's first test flight is tmr
like w h a t

[dire grove]

/kill @e

[minor kelp]

/kill @v[id=!myship]

[frozen crag]

what defines a tnt spam? is one normal(not on a contraption) dispenser working at top speed(i think its 5 tnt/s) considered spam?

[dusty lotus]

i think he means spamming tnt on ships as a player?

[frozen crag]

ah

[dusty lotus]

honestly

[frozen crag]

well its still better to ask

[dusty lotus]

i’m kind of impressed how good potato is at being even more vague every time he’s trying to clear up something vague

[frozen crag]

yeah lmao

[barren jungle]

guys can i join a cogfight team?

wow what about air dropped tnt columns

guys i also will be sending my signal jammer ship, a super oversized ship with every possible signal, including all blocks and item combinations. prepare to die

i used a bit of code to build it

also its prob gonna crash the server

will be building chunk ban plane

bans all chunks around it

[hasty kestrel]

You will be missing some blocks you know that

[fickle saffron]

Wither and ender dragon?

[minor kelp]

does it include non-vanilla items

[barren jungle]

no

[minor kelp]

you know, i do still have a workaround right

[minor kelp]

also dont you dare bring the 8,116,801 sized c u b e

[barren jungle]

wdym

i am gonna bring it obviously

like why not

hey guys is it oke to make big lag machine as joke?

[runic stratus]

prove that it has every combination, the amount of transmitters you will need would make your ship quite large and with that the range of the transmitters may mean that i would have to be right up against you ship to actaully be affected besides my ship doesnt use transmitters anyway

[barren jungle]

'GASP' HES FOUND MY WEAKNESS

also ye can you tell me how you did it?

i want to join your team i dont have on

one

[tawdry dove]

sooo, cogfight's not gonna have the agrarian skies 2 and create mods in the modpack? That seems wrong

[fickle saffron]

The overides folder is not the entire modpack

Please import the modpack using a launcher that supports the curseforge modpack format, or manually download the mods from the included pre-generated html file

[tawdry dove]

26 mods, that seems alot better. I'm an idiot. Thank you again!

[tawdry dove]

Does a ship ejected from another ship count as a seperate ship based off the rules?

[fickle saffron]

Iirc no as long as the other part is un piloted / controlled

[tawdry dove]

Noted.

CC automated it is.

[fickle saffron]

That counts iirc

Its a form of control

Even if its not direct

[tawdry dove]

Once a ship is deleted via water, it no longer is a ship then?

[fickle saffron]

You cant make more ships

You get 8 total, start to end

[tawdry dove]

So i could fire a remote controlled missile, have it hit an enemy ship and then the water, then fire another one?

[fickle saffron]

No

[tawdry dove]

noted

[barren jungle]

so i can make a ship with grapple, shove a enemy ship into water, and then run off completely scot-free?

[runic stratus]

yes

a surprising amount of people are doing that

but its inefficient youre wasting all the resources that ship had

[fickle saffron]

That gives me an idea

[tawdry dove]

So, a dumbfire missile with a payload of a turtle would count as a ship, then? even if the turtle cant control the missile's direction?

[fickle saffron]

Ig

[minor kelp]

are literal dumbfire rockets with tnt payload considered a ship

it doesnt even have cc

[tawdry dove]

i would assume not

[minor kelp]

will it be

[tawdry dove]

since you cant control the rockets after launch

[minor kelp]

yea

i dont know how you'd detonate but

[tawdry dove]

an observer

explodes the moment it hits anything infront of it

[minor kelp]

observer doesnt.... detect when it hits

does it

[tawdry dove]

testing time!

[minor kelp]

last it tried, it doesnt

nope

[tawdry dove]

darn

wait

[minor kelp]

?

[tawdry dove]

would adding a remote detonator to a dumbfire rocket to explode it make it count as a ship

[minor kelp]

same question

[tawdry dove]

Will the cogfight modpack update to the latest clockwork and VS2 versions?

[fickle saffron]

Yes

[tawdry dove]

oh thank goodness

[gray sonnet]

My network is unjammable

[ruby silo]

I’m pretty sure you can remote control rockets to make them detonate

There’s nothing that says otherwise

[gray sonnet]

Yeah you can

I made one

Not gonna use it tho

No where to mount it

[ruby silo]

You could modify the wings to have stickers under them if you have enough space

[gray sonnet]

It was a nuke basically

[tawdry dove]

adding remote control to the rockets thus classifies the rockets as a ship, limiting the amount a team can have

[ruby silo]

Ah

I think it’s classified as a ship when it becomes a physics body

[tawdry dove]

probably not

[gray sonnet]

No

It is only a ship if controlled by a player this has been confirmed by hosts

[tawdry dove]

define controlled

[ruby silo]

Manned?

[tawdry dove]

would attaching a remote to explode a missile count as it being controlled by a player?

[gray sonnet]

Yes

[tawdry dove]

Noted.

[gray sonnet]

My ship has autopilot

[ruby silo]

How do you know what player is controlling it though

[minor kelp]

you can jam wired network when you connect to it

[gray sonnet]

No

Entire thing is wireless

[minor kelp]

what

how the fu

[gray sonnet]

And unjammable

[ruby silo]

Can’t you use named items to differentiate them from unnamed items in wireless links?

[gray sonnet]

Ye

I tried

[tawdry dove]

inb4 written books with unknown contents set the network IDs

[gray sonnet]

Doesn't work either

[tawdry dove]

darn

[ruby silo]

That would effectively make the wireless link unjammable if you use named items with long codes as their names

[gray sonnet]

I am using computer wireless modems

[tawdry dove]

aha

[ruby silo]

Ah, so someone needs to use computers to hack you

[minor kelp]

question: what happens when i put a lot of packets on all ports

[gray sonnet]

I programmed it to only accept messages in a protocol it made

[tawdry dove]

DDOS program time

[gray sonnet]

Messages will get through

[minor kelp]

also mine, but
🙂 there is a flaw

[gray sonnet]

It will take a bit longer

But they will

[ruby silo]

Bro’s gonna get DDOS’d in combat

[tawdry dove]

Oh, that sounds actually pretty neat, how did you get it to accept a custom protocol?

[minor kelp]

dont worry, y'll get jammed by multiple computers at the same time

[minor kelp]

likely hashing or something

because, as of fact
i also do it
w i r e d

[gray sonnet]

Maake the protocol myself and check the message

My system doesn't work w i r e d

I need gps

[minor kelp]

i can make it wireless, but wired works for me

[tawdry dove]

dear lord, and i thought my ideas were crazy...

[minor kelp]

lmao

[gray sonnet]

I also edited the gps code to do my protocol

[minor kelp]

time to jam gps

[ruby silo]

If you name an item with long strings of randomized digits then it’s near impossible for someone to guess your plane’s signals to jam it

[gray sonnet]

Gps also wont jam

[gray sonnet]

Nbt data doesn't save in link's

[ruby silo]

Wha

Why tf not

It would be genuinely useful

There’s only so many blocks in Minecraft

[minor kelp]

it w o u l d be

[gray sonnet]

Ikr

[minor kelp]

you'd only need 8mil links to jam

[gray sonnet]

I tried this first day of cogfight

[gray sonnet]

Yeah...

[minor kelp]

calculated with a l l items

then squaring it

[ruby silo]

Someone is bound to be using the same blocks on their links as someone else, this is just going to result in most players who aren’t using computers to just fucking die

[minor kelp]

i use both links and cc
sadly, because i am a plane

[gray sonnet]

Enchantment books also don't work

Or potion's

[minor kelp]

yea... forgot that

command block and structure block works for id tho

[ruby silo]

Can’t be obtained in survival, so in theory it would be breaking the rules

[fickle saffron]

Just make a bigger plane

[gray sonnet]

cj you should just give up on jamming me

[tawdry dove]

@gray sonnet Would a mob controlled missile be considered a ship? No player input controls it, so it wouldnt count to the total ship count then?

[minor kelp]

no

[gray sonnet]

How????

[ruby silo]

Chicken powered atomic bomb

[minor kelp]

dont question it

lmao

[gray sonnet]

Your just causing lag

It doesn't affect me

[minor kelp]

cc doesnt contribute much lag

[tawdry dove]

pigeon guided missiles

[gray sonnet]

Lol

[minor kelp]

i can just run cc quicksort on loop and noone would notice

[gray sonnet]

How is that gonna affect channels

[minor kelp]

its... not

its a pointless program

[ruby silo]

Mucka Blucka by tally hall plays as a chicken nukes the entire country of Australia

[gray sonnet]

Thats your janming method?

[minor kelp]

no

do you even know what quicksort is

[gray sonnet]

Yes

What are you sorting

[minor kelp]

how the hell would i even use it to jam

[frosty stump]

how would u even make one of those

[gray sonnet]

Exactly

[minor kelp]

random number, for no reason

[gray sonnet]

Lollllllll

[frosty stump]

do explain im quite interested

[gray sonnet]

I have no idea what he means by that

[ruby silo]

Maybe some computer fuckery

Could probably be controlled with pressure plates too

[gray sonnet]

Don't touch computers unless you know what your doing

Its Cyber warfare

[minor kelp]

sub-tick computation eh no i dont know what i just said

[scarlet shard]

Wait, we can't have a remote controlled bomb, because it would be considered another ship? That doesn't sound right

[worthy prairie]

that sounds right

[ruby silo]

Who the fuck

[fickle saffron]

Sounds accurate

[scarlet shard]

Huh, aight then

[frosty stump]

how would u make a missile...

any type

im so confused

[ruby silo]

Wings, flaps, tnt, and afterblazers

[frosty stump]

how would u control it tho

[ruby silo]

Remote

[scarlet shard]

Well, at least the only other ships I'll have will be connected via phys bearings

[frosty stump]

in addition to your plaen?

[ruby silo]

Yep

[tawdry dove]

well, a missile with a specific timer attached to its package would work perfectly, even if it is a dumb fire

[ruby silo]

Switch controllers

[frosty stump]

how, theres not ebough controls

[frosty stump]

ah

[ruby silo]

Or try to make a radar guided missile that tracks targets, but that could be confusing

[minor kelp]

repeated packet attack

[frosty stump]

yea idk how that would happen

[ruby silo]

It’s probably possible considering the many people working on radar systems

[tawdry dove]

making a radar by itself would imply you can then see ALL enemy ships nearby

which then implies

a RWR

oh god this is just VTOL vr all over again

[gray sonnet]

Whats that gonna do?

[ruby silo]

Honestly I think the addition of computers is just going to lead to the deaths of every non-programmer, which honestly isn’t fair at all

[minor kelp]

what protocol you are using even

cause i dont know

[frosty stump]

yep

[fickle saffron]

Bro forgor

[minor kelp]

i can just repeatly send packet back

[frosty stump]

my plane barely flies as is (im not in cogfight but)

[gray sonnet]

So

[minor kelp]

ill just say
no

[fickle saffron]

Tbh cc just means the equal death of cc users

[minor kelp]

stay away from cc

[gray sonnet]

No lol

[minor kelp]

and you'll be unaffected

[gray sonnet]

So your sending my packets back?

[minor kelp]

ur choice i guess

[gray sonnet]

Useless

[minor kelp]

yes

[ruby silo]

Hang on, let me just get a degree in programming to counter some bastard who installed a radar targeting system with pixel perfect precision

[minor kelp]

lmao

[gray sonnet]

My protocol already has protection for this

[fickle saffron]

Cj shut up

[toxic hedge]

Axol your acting like protocols need to be super duper complex

You can make a good protocol that’s basically unjammable in 5 minutes

[gray sonnet]

keep track of the expected sequence number for incoming messages. When you receive a message, you can check its sequence number against the expected sequence number, and only accept the message

Not rocket science

[ruby silo]

Computer science though

[toxic hedge]

Imo thats a terrible method for this

Overly complex and less secure then other methods

[minor kelp]

wow how i never thought of that
..................................................
................................................

[frosty stump]

my question is can you team up with a person? and have a pilot and gunner?

[minor kelp]

you, have a team of 4

[tawdry dove]

i would assume yes

[minor kelp]

or lower

if you want

[frosty stump]

but in one plane...

[minor kelp]

yes

the plane is team-wide use

[frosty stump]

ah ok

[gray sonnet]

Give me a better one?

[minor kelp]

it would be a nightmare if one player needed to control an entire airship

[minor kelp]

no

[fickle saffron]

🤡

[toxic hedge]

Why would i give you a better method

Like its not even logical you would use that method

[gray sonnet]

It is

[toxic hedge]

There are better, faster more secure ways

[frosty stump]

well i thought it was like fighter jets lol

[gray sonnet]

You still have no proof of those

[toxic hedge]

True true

[minor kelp]

there ARE better ways we use irl

but for what reason would we tell you

[minor kelp]

a few people built airships, mine is a plane tho

[toxic hedge]

Like you kinda just described TCP

Your super duper import security secret method is TCP

[gray sonnet]

Tcp is secure?

[frosty stump]

ah ok

[minor kelp]

he used the method usually used in car keys

[toxic hedge]

Yea TCP is secure but if you look around in the real workd

[gray sonnet]

I have mac encryption?

[toxic hedge]

Its not using base TCP

[toxic hedge]

💀

No way

[minor kelp]

what

no way he did it

funny how this chat devolved to electronic warfare

[toxic hedge]

No way axols super system is TCP with mac encryption

[gray sonnet]

Mac encryption is secure?

[minor kelp]

to a fair bit, yes

[toxic hedge]

Not 100% secure and still overly complex

[minor kelp]

ight ill tell you the best way to make an unjammable network:

DONT.

[gray sonnet]

Bruh

[toxic hedge]

Its like you looked up types of encryption and just starting using them without figuring out what fits

[gray sonnet]

I need to use wireless

I just used the only encryption i knew how to make

Car keys go down a list of numbers to use each time

[fickle saffron]

Oh so your ship crashes without it?

[gray sonnet]

So it should be secure

[toxic hedge]

Cant crash

If it cant fly in the first place

Remember

[gray sonnet]

Yessss

It hasn't taken off yet but pid output looks good

[fickle saffron]

Damn, wish me and cj were smart enough to counter you

This will be difficult

[minor kelp]

wow you can find a way to get the feedback in without moving? nice

[gray sonnet]

When i am flat pid outputs are all the same and when i tilt they adjust so my controller works

Just haven't wired up propellers

[minor kelp]

nice

wait what do you mean you have sensors

[gray sonnet]

I am not gonna reveal how i am getting my rotation

[minor kelp]

hmmmmmm
ok ill try to figure out myself

and assuming you somehow get the angles

how did you even do pid

[gray sonnet]

A tutorial

On YouTube

I have 6 pid controllers

3 for all rotation axis's

3 for position

[minor kelp]

wow

have you tuned it

ill assume you did

cause you said it works

how stable is your ship

[fickle saffron]

Bro never took off

[minor kelp]

lmao

the hardest thing in PID: tuning it
good luck 🙂

[gray sonnet]

Painnnn

My team is in charge of tuning it

My only responsibility was coding it

[minor kelp]

rip teammate

[gray sonnet]

Why do we need to register our teams?

[toxic hedge]

Because its a event

We need to know who is with who

[gray sonnet]

What if i dont register my team

[minor kelp]

you.... do need to

or you wont get whitelisted

[pseudo wharf]

You will not participate

[toxic hedge]

You need to register your team before the event if you want to participate in the event basically

[gray sonnet]

Is there gonna be a grace period?

[minor kelp]

1 hour setup

[toxic hedge]

Configure all your switchs and stuff. Then liftoff where you get into the sky

[minor kelp]

thats, a lot of time

[toxic hedge]

Then the land is deleted and it starts

[minor kelp]

what can we land on again
or can we not land ever

[gray sonnet]

Bruh

I need 2 hours

[toxic hedge]

Other ships

[toxic hedge]

You can use schematics

[minor kelp]

Oh.

[gray sonnet]

Well yeah

But i won't have fuel and stuff

[toxic hedge]

If you need 2 hours to setup a prebuilt ship your ship has problems

[minor kelp]

what is the level of death water

[minor kelp]

you will have creative i think

[gray sonnet]

It doesn't

I have like 15 computers i have to upload code to

[pseudo wharf]

How tf you need 2 hours

[toxic hedge]

That does not take 2 hours

[pseudo wharf]

How big is that ship?

[minor kelp]

his ship is worrying big that is

[pseudo wharf]

That's an easy target if it's big

[gray sonnet]

Its gonna fly at 2000

[minor kelp]

how

[gray sonnet]

So if you try to hit me you will me miss and get disqualified

[pseudo wharf]

Um not really

[minor kelp]

how the f do you
how do you go that high

[gray sonnet]

Fly?

[toxic hedge]

Uhh cannons/tnt dont count for the above 2k thing you know

Only ships do

[gray sonnet]

Ik

[tulip lava]

your gonna use Afterblazers?

[gray sonnet]

If someone trys to fly above me

[pseudo wharf]

Don't tell mee you are using ballooners

[gray sonnet]

I have very big propellers

[toxic hedge]

💀

💀💀💀

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[gray sonnet]

And ballooners

[tulip lava]

y 300 max hight then

[fickle saffron]

Bullshit

[pseudo wharf]

Bruh

[fickle saffron]

@plucky flare summon the falloff math

This mf is bullshitting

[gray sonnet]

2 blocks wide

[toxic hedge]

Propellers cant go above i think around 300

[tulip lava]

yup

[toxic hedge]

Like there physics

[tulip lava]

they can't

[gray sonnet]

Do you guys not know🤣

[minor kelp]

cap

[toxic hedge]

Potato fix the bug

[gray sonnet]

I won't tell

[tulip lava]

do you not know 💀

[fickle saffron]

Litterally the airpressure dropoff, how did you do no research on how props work

Before spouting your bullshit

[tulip lava]

@plucky flare

[pseudo wharf]

I'm curious what illegal stuff do you use axolotl

[toxic hedge]

Plus you cant use propeller glitch

[tulip lava]

the what

[toxic hedge]

If you wanna stay stable at least

[toxic hedge]

To many propellers launching you

[tulip lava]

it will

[toxic hedge]

That could go above 300 but it cant float after

[fickle saffron]

Bro is gonan get voided when he hits the world roof

[toxic hedge]

Itl just fall back down

[tulip lava]

you will go high but a bit too much momentum and your ship go by by

[gray sonnet]

I don't really keep momentum

Super heavy

My propellers can't really build momentum

[fickle saffron]

Actually how would you know

You never took off

You have no actual statistical evidence

Because you cant even fly

[gray sonnet]

I have

[minor kelp]

2000 is like afterblazer spam level

[fickle saffron]

Bull

[gray sonnet]

A week ago

[fickle saffron]

Sure lad

[minor kelp]

even if he did

[gray sonnet]

I mean it was spinning around alot

[minor kelp]

lets just ram 'im

out of boundsd

[gray sonnet]

But it technically flew

[toxic hedge]

This will be entertaining

[minor kelp]

but i doubt

it would go that high

[gray sonnet]

Probably not

I didn't know about propeller limit

[minor kelp]

so you WERE bluffing

eh

[fickle saffron]

The prop limit is like 300

Nowhere near 2000

[gray sonnet]

I thought it could fly at 2000

[fickle saffron]

No

Props dropoff at like 300

By that point its litterally no pressure

[minor kelp]

afterblazer/hybrid could theoratically

you didnt use either so

[gray sonnet]

Ballooner dropoff?

[fickle saffron]

Yep

[minor kelp]

about the same

[fickle saffron]

Like 300 ish as well

Meaning anyone with a half decent afterblazer plane can fuck you up

[gray sonnet]

Rip

[minor kelp]

although i attained 500 though momentum, uhhh nothing higher is possible

[fickle saffron]

With over 1000 blocks of leway

[gray sonnet]

I am gonna fly right above the water then

[fickle saffron]

Push you down

[minor kelp]

goodluck then

[gray sonnet]

...

[minor kelp]

collision physics exists

[gray sonnet]

I'll use my ninja dodging skills

[minor kelp]

you... are an airship

a 250 long airship

[fickle saffron]

💀

[minor kelp]

dodge all you want

you cant make an overly long airship supermanuverable

this is assuming people can fight you without lagging tho

[pseudo wharf]

Bruh

Is this fr?

[minor kelp]

as stated yesterday
yes

he said its 250 long

roughly

[fickle saffron]

How much bullshit can axol state in one hour speedrun (real)

[minor kelp]

use it against him when he contradicts

[gray sonnet]

Its more like 150....

[minor kelp]

hm
okay
still b i g

a target roughly 10 chunks wide

[dusty lotus]

@plucky flare what actually counts as a ship anyway?

could we have set in stone guidelines

[gray sonnet]

Player controlled

[dusty lotus]

so we don’t have to guess what’s a missile and what’s a plane

[gray sonnet]

Yeah mine is

[dusty lotus]

does remote controlled count?

[gray sonnet]

Cc controlled

[minor kelp]

basically anything with a guidance system is usually a missile

[minor kelp]

... likely

[gray sonnet]

Still a player

[dusty lotus]

what about a single function being tied to remote control

like say detonation

[dusty lotus]

they removed valkyrien computers

[minor kelp]

debatable
this question wasnt answered

[minor kelp]

he has his ways

missiles are entirely possible

[gray sonnet]

Trackers

[dusty lotus]

you can’t see other ships

[gray sonnet]

Computer with sticker attach it to your target

[minor kelp]

i also have may ways which i will not disclose

[dusty lotus]

yeah

but you have to attach the sticker in the first place

[minor kelp]

but you'd not see a missile because of that rule

[dusty lotus]

and at that point

just add an explosive payload to the sticker

and turn it into a missile

[gray sonnet]

What if you wanna use my nuke

It has like 100 tnt

[plucky flare]

It’s not gonna even hit a target

[gray sonnet]

Couldn't fit it on my airship so not using it

[plucky flare]

Much less get to detonate

[gray sonnet]

Why not

Also

[plucky flare]

There is no battlefield to nuke

You’d have to hit someone dead on

[gray sonnet]

I am scared of it detonating on my ship

[dusty lotus]

also you won’t be able to get rotation from trackers

[plucky flare]

It’s okay the rest of your ship will be detonating by other means anyways

[gray sonnet]

You don't need it

[plucky flare]

If anything the nuke would be more secure

[dusty lotus]

you do to control the missiles

[minor kelp]

heres a thing, he has his systems

[plucky flare]

His systems coded like a fifth grader using code.org

[minor kelp]

you... dont need target rotation

[dusty lotus]

you need missile rotation though

[gray sonnet]

Ah yeah think about it if you rotate it do the positions change? Thats my only hint

[plucky flare]

The missile has to know where it is by subtracting where it was from where it isn’t

[dusty lotus]

or else the missile has to have a 3 axis control system

[minor kelp]

you can get that via placing two ore more trackers at different positions
.... wait did i just think of how axol did it

[plucky flare]

What trackers are you guys talking about

[dusty lotus]

cc gps

[minor kelp]

likely he uses gps grid

[plucky flare]

Ah

[minor kelp]

with a tracker

[plucky flare]

Sus

[dusty lotus]

the one that broadcasts everything to public channels

[minor kelp]

my method doesnt, but why the hell would i tell you classified info

[gray sonnet]

You know i modified cc code

[dusty lotus]

axol I’ve seen your code

[minor kelp]

he uses his encrypted channel

[gray sonnet]

Its not the best...

[fickle saffron]

Modified and copying from the docs is not the same 💀

[minor kelp]

lol

[minor kelp]

figure it out yourself, there are no hints

[gray sonnet]

Only 8 lines are that way

[plucky flare]

We’ll rip it out of the corpse of your vessel after

Don’t worry

[minor kelp]

heres a thing: your team also have it

dont question it

[gray sonnet]

I can't wait to destroy you after your all cocky about you winning

[dusty lotus]

you do realize that those words are cocky too

[minor kelp]

idea: self-destructing code

nah

[gray sonnet]

I will figure it out

[ruby silo]

Physical self destruct button that burns the computer

Or just bring a flint and steel and a pick

[minor kelp]

that runs bucketsorting on loop and allocate stuff without freeing

nah it would be too stupid to do that

i'll let yall rip it apart

[gray sonnet]

If i am going down i would just destroy electronics and abandon ship

[ruby silo]

It would probably be worth your sanity to just bring a pick and flint and steel to burn the actual computer

[minor kelp]

oh

[minor kelp]

lol

[ruby silo]

Oh god

Is it allowed to steal planes?

[fickle saffron]

Yes but it wont count as an elim

[minor kelp]

:))

steal it and crash it

[ruby silo]

Steal it after your plane is downed to continue the fight

[minor kelp]

lmfao

wait

how the hell am i gonna have 8 planes with 4 people in the sky

[ruby silo]

If you don’t die yourself then I see no reason why you can’t just take the plane of some unsuspecting motherfucker trying to refuel

[gray sonnet]

Idea

I make my flight deck upsidedown

[ruby silo]

Make the plane backwards

[minor kelp]

idea: i shoot you from bottom

[gray sonnet]

So you have to use stickers to land

[gray sonnet]

From the water? I am gonna be flying low

[minor kelp]

top then

[ruby silo]

World of warships

[minor kelp]

...

yea

bottom is fortrified

[ruby silo]

Just build a plane that drops a warship that you can use

[minor kelp]

when you flip

[ruby silo]

It counts as a ship

[minor kelp]

....

[gray sonnet]

Tempted to just fly upsidedown

[minor kelp]

please dont

[ruby silo]

Invert controls

[fickle saffron]

Go for it

[dusty lotus]

after thinking about it for roughy 10 minutes i think i figured out the system, or at least my version of it

[gray sonnet]

Of what

[minor kelp]

is the ground removed when grace is over

[fickle saffron]

Ground is ocean

[minor kelp]

oh

[dusty lotus]

the missile has two GPS-es one at the front, one at back. You get the directional vector between those two points, and then compare to to the directional vector of the front point to the sticker missile with the GPS, based on which you provide rotation

[fickle saffron]

Ocean is a death plane

[minor kelp]

where do i keep my planes then

[dusty lotus]

a lot simpler than i thought it would be

[minor kelp]

right

[minor kelp]

assuming i dont have an airship carrier thingy

where do i keep my idle planes

[gray sonnet]

Gps jamming

[gray sonnet]

Lol

[minor kelp]

dont tell me i need to build a carrier....

[dusty lotus]

wouldn’t you have to spam every single channel

that doesn’t sound very practical

[minor kelp]

its.... doable

[dusty lotus]

although i guess you could code something to look though all the channels for activity

but even then

[lavish meteor]

Bro there are like a gazillion frequencies

I like that it doesn’t do NBT data

Makes it a lot easier for people who aren’t familiar with CC to jam people

[minor kelp]

there are 8million\

[lavish meteor]

But doesn’t make it hyper effortless easy

[lavish meteor]

As I said

Assuming you’re not making like

[dusty lotus]

vanilla alone has roughy 820 blocks

[lavish meteor]

A few hundred computers

You won’t ever need that many

[dusty lotus]

giving you 672 400 unique frequencies

[lavish meteor]

And the rules for jamming it is very clear and simple

[dusty lotus]

and that’s only vanilla blocks

[lavish meteor]

Someone sees the link, someone remembers what it had or takes a screenie, someone jams it

[minor kelp]

true

[lavish meteor]

While jamming with cc isn’t all that hard, a lotta people don’t wanna have to

There’s also the balance factor of that

Links are piss easy compact one block

[minor kelp]

yes

[lavish meteor]

And when weights are assigned to create I’m sure they’ll weigh basically nothing too

[gray sonnet]

Cc jamming protection isnt hard either

[minor kelp]

please answer.........
i dont have a big carrier or cruiser

[lavish meteor]

You overestimate the amount of effort people are willing to put in

Some people just want to make something that works and don’t care too much about the intricacies

Or see the risks as worth it because they just wanna have fun without looking too hard into the specifics

[minor kelp]

hmmmmmm: whatdaboutmaking an open api for people to use em as redstonelinks

maybe later

[lavish meteor]

That would need a fair bit of balance

[minor kelp]

you can jam it tho, its open sourced

[gray sonnet]

I will leak all my code if someone gives me 500$

[lavish meteor]

Fair enough

[minor kelp]

likely i wont add much anti-jamming system

[lavish meteor]

Unlike links, CC doesn’t have a gazillion channels lmao

[minor kelp]

just basic systems

[gray sonnet]

Jam what