Potato isn't on
#Sundial
rancid pagoda
steel jay
ik
lucid ginkgo
The current servers not supported much as where waiting til clockworks
Nope
Feel free
proud acorn
effortless building
undone lion
normal bed™️
lapis raft
yo are there any factions on sundial yet? like official clans?
undone lion
alright
one second..
stark marsh
yo are there any factions on sundial yet? like official clans?
Not yet but I will be establishing a empire on the clockworked sundial.
undone lion
I wish you the best of luck
ocean jay
yeah
neat herald
I used the programmer from pneumaticcraft to make a program and the server crashed
hardy veldt
potato prepare for the battle
abstract vine
yo are there any factions on sundial yet? like official clans?
yesn't
tranquil wigeon
are bundles enable on server?
normal maple
can be added? mod reduces 500-700mb of ram
chrome pier
can be added? mod reduces 500-700mb of ram
The server doesn't seem to have a ram issue
normal maple
The server doesn't seem to have a ram issue
also reduces ram on client
chrome pier
also reduces ram on client
It won't reduce ram for client if ure playing online
normal maple
It won't reduce ram for client if ure playing online
if you install it also on the client, but it's good to have it on both sides
I forgot to specify
chrome pier
It doesn't work this way
Even if installed clientside
It won't do shit while ure on a server
It might cut game starup time but nothing more than that
Just use ferrite
Ship physics is off-heap
No impact on dedicated ram
lucid ginkgo
dedicated wam
normal maple
Just use ferrite
ferrite is other thing
the focus of LazyDFU is the DFU
and ferrite optimise General Minecraft
chrome pier
the focus of LazyDFU is the DFU
and ferrite optimise General Minecraft
You were talking about saving ram
Ferrite does a better job
normal maple
Ferrite does a better job
both do different things
chrome pier
You were talking about saving ram
can u read ?
normal maple
can u read ?
Yes, both save ram, ferritecore uses one optimization method and LazyDFU another (basically disable DFU).
together they reduce (by themselves) ram usage. The idea is to use LazyDFU but if they have already added FerriteCore, it doesn't hurt to add LazyDFU
If that's not what you mean then I'm not understanding you (I don't speak good English)
chrome pier
LazyDFU literally doesn't disable dfu
If it did it'd have horrible compat and a shitton of issues
dire relic
im going to dial 911
dire relic
the sun exploded
strange karma
You have 8 mins before you see the change
stark marsh
You have 8 mins before you see the change
the what
stark marsh
Bruh I thought the sundoal was going to reset
neat herald
im stuck in the shipyard
lucid ginkgo
Bruh I thought the sundoal was going to reset
When clockworks comes out to the public it will
fossil walrus
im stuck in the shipyard
poggers
honest phoenix
yo are there any factions on sundial yet? like official clans?
Yes im in one
lapis raft
what is it?
strange karma
The cringe lords
honest phoenix
what is it?
We dont have a name but we are a rather large group
honest phoenix
what is it?
If you wanna join you can ask 42
strange karma
Is your group a part of yaros?
honest phoenix
No
honest phoenix
You don't know that
strange karma
I do
honest phoenix
We are a large threat
strange karma
To what? The local ecosystem?
honest phoenix
Probably
honest phoenix
Just gonna say dont underestimate us
fossil walrus
is the server gonna get reset when clockwork releases?
honest phoenix
You dont know what we can do and i dont know what you guys can do so lets leave it at that
Yes
honest phoenix
We havent been
fossil walrus
oh 💀
strange karma
Axol, let me put it this way, your group would be more threatening if you werent in it
honest phoenix
We have been planning iv already said to much and not gonna reveal more
We will see
fossil walrus
strange karma
honest phoenix
Not yet but I will be establishing a empire on the clockworked sundial.
You can join us if you like just ask 42
strange karma
Not yet but I will be establishing a empire on the clockworked sundial.
You could ally with Timor Solis if you would like
Oh and while we are on the subject, how big is this little group of yours axol
honest phoenix
6
strange karma
Oh…
Well in that case
In that case, im even more confident in my belief that you arent a threat
strange karma
Thanks for giving more information mr “ive said too much” 😜
lapis raft
We dont have a name but we are a rather large group
how many are you?
nvm you answerd already 💀
wabt Yaros group?
vital goblet
We should add the witherstorm mod to Sundial 
glad kelp
We should add the natural disasters mod
blazing knoll
mortal laurel
me three
steel jay
We should add the natural disasters mod
man, im playing minecraft because im tired of roblox. just no
abstract vine
You dont know what we can do and i dont know what you guys can do so lets leave ...
like your new AI and 3000 USD server?
pastel gorge
When will release of Clockwork?
strange karma
When Krunch LOD is complete
abstract stirrup
When Krunch LOD is complete
when will krunch lod be complete
strange karma
When its done
undone lion
in other words: soon™️
hardy veldt
Potato please don't reset the server
maiden summit
There will be e new mod pack and a reset when clockwork is released
strange karma
New pack
rancid pagoda
Will the important stuff stay?
strange karma
Prob not
rancid pagoda
lucid ginkgo
Whats the important stuff
mint light
doesn't really matter as it won't stay
mortal ginkgo
Whats the important stuff
i was gonna ask the same thing ngl
only important thing i can think of is Create
and vs2
rancid pagoda
doesn't really matter as it won't stay
Well I don't wanna be a self-fulfilling prophecy here
Can't tell now
ocean jay
@rough temple the server keeps crashing when I log in, looks like its something in our base
hardy veldt
???
whole void
Unironically dumbass
lucid ginkgo
Average fabric hater is axolotl. Fabric must be better then I thought
hardy veldt
Restart sundail pls
hardy veldt
Average fabric hater is axolotl. Fabric must be better then I thought
Fabrics good
lucid ginkgo
Only potato has console
lucid ginkgo
💀
hardy veldt
Different time zone
lucid ginkgo
Hel prob be up soon
hardy veldt
Hopefully
hardy veldt
Hel prob be up soon
How do you know
faint frigate
Is the server down?
strange karma
Potato exists
rancid pagoda
Potato *exists*
quartz hazel
potato is a collective hulucination
there is no potato
he is as real as the tooth fairy and the sandman
neat herald
he is as real as the tooth fairy and the sandman
so Potato is real
quartz hazel
potato is as real as the fact that i use Mac OS
nonexistent
(with a 0% chance with it ever becoming real)
undone lion
Well, please restart the server when you have a chance.
mortal ginkgo
potato is as real as the fact that i use Mac OS
@fossil walrus uses a max why can’t you?
Wait was it pig 8
I actually forgot
hoary saddle
how did i miss the release of this server
mortal ginkgo
Idk
I did too to an extent
But with the mod pack changing 3 times i cannot say I missed the release
honest phoenix
Will we have tournament with clockwork?
lean kelp
hi
fossil herald
Will we have tournament with clockwork?
yes
lean kelp
wut this
fossil herald
Will we have tournament with clockwork?
all compatible vs2 addons will be there
so no eureka
strange karma
Wut
fossil herald
oh
strange karma
Ive yet to have it crash
quartz hazel
💀
fossil herald
lel
fossil herald
Also some of the vs2 addons are either easy to break or just have no recipes
cant you make them recipes with crafttweaker
strange karma
I mean ye but like the blocks and items prob arent balanced to be ready for survival use
quartz hazel
me when potato fails to keep the server alive
quartz hazel
cant you make them recipes with crafttweaker
imagine using craft tweaker past 1.12
fossil herald
imagine using craft tweaker past 1.12
i love 1.12 mods dont judge me
fossil herald
I mean ye but like the blocks and items prob arent balanced to be ready for surv...
so make em expensive if you need to
abstract vine
me when potato fails to keep the server alive
i don’t think you have the right to complain about that
mr 3 tps anti x-ray
who refused to turn it off after everyone complained
strange karma
mr 3 tps anti x-ray
Wait wait wait, but did the server crash all day or was it just laggy 
I mean if it was not crashing all day that means people could still actually join and play the server at least
undone lion
yeah it's been down
trail swift
Will we have tournament with clockwork?
I’ve had it in my modpack they seem fine together
abstract vine
I mean if it was not crashing all day that means people could still actually joi...
me and some others literally couldn’t join because of how bad it lagged the server
so yes
potato somehow takes the W
by a thin margin
quartz hazel
who refused to turn it off after everyone complained
Potato was the one who added that
So I could not remove it without his permission
Also you were the only one with that issue
abstract vine
Potato was the one who added that
So I could not remove it without his permissio...
i wasn’t
i definitely remember a couple other people who couldn’t join
as well as tons of people who were just dissatisfied with the extreme lag
quartz hazel
I should build this on sundial
https://youtu.be/s_TKe16WASY
Also I could probally automate it better with CC
honest phoenix
...
ocean jay
I should build this on sundial
https://youtu.be/s_TKe16WASY
we got enough crashes, also players are more than 3k blocks apart most of the time
lucid ginkgo
Good luck getting them to stand still
ocean jay
yeah its just a flawed plan
quartz hazel
we got enough crashes, also players are more than 3k blocks apart most of the ti...
All the more reason to add carpet mod (fabric mod :<)
ocean jay
eh, murder drones are better
ocean jay
<@335982895472705547> the server keeps crashing when I log in, looks like its so...
the issue persists, @rough temple please investigate if you have time
all of my friends at the base crash the server too
rough temple
I’ve got so much shit on my plate sorry
ocean jay
ok
red dew
how many mods are it in total?
strange karma
More then 1
strange karma
Server is dead right now i think
strange karma
but whats the ip
That is the ip
Im pretty sure at least
The server is just physically dead
As in not on
As in crashed
red dew
aah
and how to get the packs that are beta
cus that pack in pinged didnt give me those
honest phoenix
I think potato isnt putting in effort to start it is because its gonna reset anyway soon
compact echo
why not just restart it tho
steel jay
I think potato isnt putting in effort to start it is because its gonna reset any...
well... soon is... noone knows when that soon will be
honest phoenix
well... soon is... noone knows when that soon will be
Yep i think at max it will be a week
red dew
and how to get the packs that are beta
.
strange karma
Yep i think at max it will be a week
Nah, no lod moment
red dew
and how to get the packs that are beta
.
mortal ginkgo
.
server aint open so the mod pack doesnt matter, as it will most likely change when the server actually opens
red dew
ik that but i wanna know how to get the beta packs
mortal ginkgo
beta pack?
lucid ginkgo
The beta pack has clockworks
mortal ginkgo
The beta pack has clockworks
yeah.
red dew
aint this server laggy in general if it was online cus i have lag on my own let stand with players
winter lance
is there a discord for this server?
also holy-13-thousand-messages
winter lance
oh I see
there didnt seem to be a section to talk about server stuff outside of this thread, so I wasnt sure
raw comet
server is in a state of dead atm, so theres nothing much here
humble remnant
^^
winter lance
f
lucid ginkgo
Wating for clockworks
versed yoke
cockworks
stark marsh
ockworks
glad kelp
ckworks
ocean jay
ckwork
maiden summit
ckwrk
proud acorn
ckwk
rancid pagoda
cwk
strange karma
What about it
honest phoenix
ck
ocean jay
c
proud acorn
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lucid ginkgo
Agreed
strange karma
Understandable have a nice day
hoary cliff
uhhh its says cant connect to server
humble remnant
uhhh its says cant connect to server
#1073431287043461250 message
hoary cliff
I see thx
tawny bolt
When I try to join it says Connection Refused
undone lion
It’s been down for the last few days
I’m pretty sure there’s some kind of issue that started from my base.
That caused all this
ocean jay
sundial be like:
stark marsh
Sundial sundied
proud acorn
sundial was killed by Edruss using a pocketwatch😢
undone lion
oops
lucid ginkgo
raw comet
Hey is there a mod pack where I can just download everything or is the list the only way
strange karma
there is a pack pinned, yes
raw comet
there is a pack pinned, yes
Where? the only thing I saw was a list
raw comet
where's that?
raw comet
where important stuff usually is
where pins?
strange karma
raw comet
Im a idiot
strange karma
the one that looks like a thumbtack
raw comet
...ah
oh well
uh... nothings happening? no mods are in the minecraft world
like litterally, mods are in but nothings active
humble remnant
did you put the mods from the zip into the mods folder after extracting the zip?
ocean jay
@rough temple would you mind sharing the crash logs? our base is still unusable, it would be good to at least know why and maybe fix it ourselves
honest phoenix
uhhh its says cant connect to server
fellow axolotl
waxen wadi
Cоckwork
hoary cliff
fellow axolotl
Hhhhmmmmmm yes
honest phoenix
<@&1000126578094768228>
rough temple
what
undone lion
<@&1000126578094768228>
Was this really necessary?
honest phoenix
Was this really necessary?
They said to stop saying it
lucid ginkgo
They said to stop saying it
🤓
undone lion
Yeah - that’s one of the problems
lucid ginkgo
Axolotl try not to be annoying challenge
undone lion
You can rarely find it, but I’ve found that it’s easier to go to the nether to get quartz to craft it
honest phoenix
Axolotl try not to be annoying challenge
If you gimme data
maiden summit
Axolotl try not to be annoying challenge
the challenge its to hard man
raw comet
did you put the mods from the zip into the mods folder after extracting the zip?
wait what the heck does that mean?
raw comet
Ok so aprently you don't put the whole folder in. your ment to go to mods, and pluck the files out from there and put them here.... woops
and now the game keeps crashing nice
sharp mason
someone needs a tutorial
raw comet
someone needs a tutorial
who?
torn path
the pack doesnt have hexcasting sadge 😔
cinder lintel
it had, but it was removed pretty quickly
sharp saddle
does the server work again?
sharp saddle
rip bozo
honest phoenix
Probably won't until clockwork
quartz hazel
sundial was killed by Edruss using a pocketwatch😢
which mod
quartz hazel
but which mod
maiden summit
we dont have the logs to see the problem
quartz hazel
honest phoenix
@rough temple open computers 2? Instead of just cc tweaked
strange karma
oc is not on 1.18
and before you say oc2, that is nothing like oc in any way shape or form
honest phoenix
I understand that you don't like it but other people do
strange karma
im just pointing out the fundamental difference, it has nothing to do with my opinion on the mod
sturdy rain
where should I put a mod suggestion for the next version of this server?
strange karma
where should I put a mod suggestion for the next version of this server?
here ig
sturdy rain
do I at potato or no
sturdy rain
ok
strange karma
ye
abstract vine
<@335982895472705547> open computers 2? Instead of just cc tweaked
oc2 doesn’t have vs compat nor integration
also it’s literally just a linux os in minecraft
it is borderline masochistic to use compared to cc
strange karma
brutal, but honest
sturdy rain
@lucid ginkgo Hello, I have a suggestion for a mod to add to the Sundial server and was told that you would be the one to pitch it to. I was thinking that it might be good if the continents mod was added before the full release of the server. This mod just makes oceans bigger and changes the way that land masses generate to make them similar to continents in the real world. My reason for suggesting this mod is that when Clockwork's sea update releases, boats and submarines aren't very viable with current terrain generation. By increasing the size of oceans, I believe these vehicles will better fit into the meta. Based on my limited testing, this mod does not seem to break terrain generation in Sundial's current modpack. One other thing is that if there was any way to make the oceans deeper that may help as well. Thank you for your time and consideration.
honest phoenix
brutal, but honest
hologram
sturdy rain
Continents: https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/continents
Deeper Oceans: https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/deeper-oceans
quartz hazel
oc2 doesn’t have vs compat nor integration
yet*
i think @frozen fulcrum is gonna make oc2 integration before TIS tbh
quartz hazel
it is borderline masochistic to use compared to cc
me cross compiling gcc to use on a minecraft mod
Pathetic
tbh if we add oc2 i would suggest stripping lua out of it and requiring people to cross-compile programs making oc2 the hyper-elitist choice
abstract vine
tbh if we add oc2 i would suggest stripping lua out of it and requiring people t...
walks
if I ever have to play on a server where that is a thing
the moment that the possibility of getting to you is remotely possible
actually
my lawyers have advised me to not finish that sentence
quartz hazel
i mean if you really want since your name is gradle
i could probally jury-rig a JVM to the OC2 vm
undone lion
The server is back up - could someone try joining?
I want to know if it's only the area around my base that kills everything
neat herald
The server is back up - could someone try joining?
i can try in 6h but im probably still in the shipyard
undone lion
Really hope this can get fixed soonish…
ocean jay
@lucid ginkgo Mod suggestion: immersive weathering, pretty cool mod that adds block to block interactions like moss growing on stone/cobble when there is water nearby. It looks great and has both a fabric and a forge version. Stuff I like especially: if wood burns it becomes charred/turns to ash which will look great for battles on wooden ships; there are now piles of leaves under trees and they can even float in water. Here are the blocks/items it adds:
neat herald
Jay tried to connect, server crashed
I tried it now and the server crashed
stark marsh
Damn sundial is not having a good time
ocean jay
would be great if we at least knew what was happening from the logs
maiden summit
Some day we will
quartz hazel
<@878842398409625680> Mod suggestion: immersive weathering, pretty cool mod that...
we said no to that since it would obvs cause everything be start ticking creating even worse lag
stark marsh
no way clockwork
honest phoenix
<@878842398409625680> Hello, I have a suggestion for a mod to add to the Sundial...
@lucid ginkgo
strange karma
Why ping?
honest phoenix
quartz hazel
reverse GPT
abstract stirrup
darn
rancid pagoda
This but Mahou Tsukai Glyph? 👀
honest phoenix
Continents: https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/continents
@lucid ginkgo
quartz hazel
This but Mahou Tsukai Glyph? 👀
probally could
since mahou tsukai also now supports gif circles
@rancid pagoda done
rancid pagoda
Ayyy nice!
honest phoenix
guys
vs2 has a bug
explosions explode vs2 stuff under water
i dont really think its a bug but a missing feture
fossil herald
it is borderline masochistic to use compared to cc
you mean cc i maochistic
cc is a pain in the ass to make something like a general use
os
strange karma
cc is a pain in the ass to make something like a general use
oses dont actually exist on cc
abstract vine
cc is a pain in the ass to make something like a general use
why exactly would you need one?
quartz hazel
oses dont actually exist on cc
people call them OSs iirc someone wrote up a entire gist
yep
abstract vine
https://gist.github.com/MCJack123/4b2bca21bdc0cf5c67ce7177326c2154
least insufferable CC user
i especially love how half of it is just the mod dev insulting the reader for daring to consider having fun making an OS
rancid pagoda
vs2 has a bug
Would be great if you put that into the issue tracker, cuz, valid.
quartz hazel
legos?
abstract stirrup
skill issue
fossil herald
why exactly would you need one?
i like coding graphical use for oc
also Valkyrien computers`s radar would look good in a graphical look
as in on display gui like oc
or monitors in cc
honest phoenix
i like coding graphical use for oc
I really need your help
raw comet
what is the ip and moslist
undone lion
Check the pinned messages
Just keep in mind that the server is basically dead right now
It’s either offline or will crash if you try to connect…
fossil herald
I really need your help
what is it?
honest phoenix
what is it?
im trying to make a hieght map with all terrain data i got the hieght map data but cant figure out how to display the map
gritty oxideBOT
Dispatching sound...
gritty oxideBOT
Dispatching sound...
next creek
Alll got your balck friday shoppin done?
frozen fulcrum
@rough temple idk the video but im too afraid to find out
torn path
undone lion
I may have done that at least once
Thankfully it was before I got the ability to use my health for casting
gritty oxideBOT
Dispatching sound...
raw comet
Hey imagine if VS had a train add on to it?
granite geyser
yes
versed yoke
Hey imagine if VS had a train add on to it?
To create a train from a vs contraption, or to build one on top?
tranquil sail
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937181373943382036/1080241224864256120/im...
Real
quartz hazel
To create a train from a vs contraption, or to build one on top?
Basically vs2 trains that are constrained to the track but can derail
sturdy rain
@quartz hazel do you think it would be good if the continents and deeper oceans mods were added to sundial so that we would have better oceans for the sea update?
quartz hazel
Currently: no since there is no Clockwork: Hands on Deck update yet
Once we get the water update tho
sturdy rain
do think it would be nice if it was added when the server resets so world gen is consistent tho?
quartz hazel
Nah
Just have a "partial reset" where we reset the overworld and people can store all the items they need in backpacks
quartz hazel
Also can we get TIS and all the addons
There are now 3 addons for tis3d 1.18.2 forge
(And I made one of them :>)
sturdy rain
would that replace cc or just be in addition to it?
sturdy rain
https://modrinth.com/mod/tis-stringify
that looks very useful
quartz hazel
It would be with
I also plan on a IR peripheral for CC
(So that CC and tis can communicate)
sturdy rain
that's good, I've been learning lua just for this server
sturdy rain
what's that?
quartz hazel
what's that?
Tis-3d is programmed in what basically is assembly
Also TIS-advanced adds support for 16-bit floats in tis-3d
quartz hazel
Also the same guy who made tis-advanced made tis-create
quartz hazel
is it better for controlling vehicles than cc?
Oh no it is alot worse
It is like saying "I use BrainFuck to program my robots"
But it is fun to work in constraints
quartz hazel
And trust me the constraints are real
ocean jay
And trust me the constraints are real
oh no the flashbacks are rolling in
sturdy rain
I'm learning lua as my first language in spite of protest from all of my friends
quartz hazel
Have you seen tis-advanced
quartz hazel
I'm learning lua as my first language in spite of protest from all of my friends
Yeah you should be learning rust
sturdy rain
I was going to learn c sharp first but then I found out about cc being in the modpack
quartz hazel
I mean if we added oc2
ocean jay
if you learn the basic logic behind programming then to use a new lang you just learn the syntax
sturdy rain
if you learn the basic logic behind programming then to use a new lang you just ...
yeah, that's why i wasn't too worried
sturdy rain
I mean if we added oc2
I know people who really want oc2 on the server
quartz hazel
i wouldnt recommend lua as the first lang though
I went
Scratch -> lua -> python -> nodejs -> Unity c# -> rust
ocean jay
I just did it anyway and it was very funny
maybe for now, but it may cause problems later
sturdy rain
maybe for now, but it may cause problems later
yeah, I don't think that far ahead
ocean jay
I went
Scratch -> lua -> python -> nodejs -> Unity c# -> rust
my road with programming was way rougher lol
sturdy rain
I went
Scratch -> lua -> python -> nodejs -> Unity c# -> rust
That's what I plan to do except don't know what nodejs and rust are
ocean jay
That's what I plan to do except don't know what nodejs and rust are
nodejs is just javascript but not on a website
sturdy rain
oh that sounds cool
quartz hazel
Server side Javascript (that thing in the browser)
And the holy crab lang
Absolute memory saftey
quartz hazel
Did I mention fast
The only downside: the compiler is strict
You have to be specific with your code
sturdy rain
ah ok
ocean jay
I went
Scratch -> lua -> python -> nodejs -> Unity c# -> rust
BASIC on a commodore 64 emulator -> scratch -> c#(.net) -> python -> c++
sturdy rain
@ocean jay hopefully lua wan't cause me too much pain later down the line
quartz hazel
ocean jay
with a bit of js, 6502 assembly n some more sprinkled in
quartz hazel
BASIC on a commodore 64 emulator -> scratch -> c#(.net) -> python -> c++
Went from complex to simple and back again and again
sturdy rain
that sounds a bit painful
sturdy rain
wow
ocean jay
and i was actually intrested in reading that damn pdf
sturdy rain
I was like that with mechanical stuff
memorized all the parts in mechanical clocks and watches
ocean jay
nice
sturdy rain
how much pain is lua going to cause me when I try c sharp?
ocean jay
lua is way easier
and has some quirks
like for loops, length of a string or the fact that arrays start at 1
quartz hazel
all langs have their quirks
ocean jay
yes
sturdy rain
will I still get most of the basics of programming?
ocean jay
lua isnt so strictly typed
quartz hazel
some basics may change
ocean jay
will I still get most of the basics of programming?
yeah
sturdy rain
I just chose it so I can use automated clockwork contraptions to take my revenge on spawnkillers
ocean jay
btw will advanced peripherals be on the server after reset?
ocean jay
or chat boxes
ocean jay
or ar glasses
quartz hazel
I need the speakers
Speakers are vanilla CC
sturdy rain
oh they are?
quartz hazel
or ar glasses
Broken and disabled iirc
ocean jay
geo radars?
quartz hazel
that is AP
sturdy rain
the video on cc I watched was 8 years old so maybe some of the stuff i thought was AP was vanilla cc
ocean jay
so will the mod be there?
ocean jay
im really hoping it will
ocean jay
Nullharp would not let it stay
whyyy
quartz hazel
Null would be annoyed and raise alot of issues of AP was not in the pack
i am gonna make the IR periperhal
mabey...
quartz hazel
it is Websockets
ocean jay
i wanna make a vr app for controlling ships remotely
have like yellow dots for friendly ships n red for enemy
quartz hazel
so you connect and start using os.pullEvent() and swarch for websocket_ messages
sturdy rain
i wanna make a vr app for controlling ships remotely
had that idea too
quartz hazel
sturdy rain
it sounds so cool
ocean jay
is there a way to just use a UDP/TCP socket?
ocean jay
argh
quartz hazel
and OC is 1.12
sturdy rain
have like yellow dots for friendly ships n red for enemy
how do you differentiate between friendly and hostile ships?
quartz hazel
so what Websockets work
ocean jay
yeah
ocean jay
how do you differentiate between friendly and hostile ships?
ship radar
quartz hazel
how do you differentiate between friendly and hostile ships?
probally by UUID from the ShipRadar
ocean jay
yea
quartz hazel
you can know if it is on a list
ocean jay
each ship has a unique id
ocean jay
you just keep a list of friendly
quartz hazel
or do ships have IDs or somthing
all ships have a internal uuid which is unique to each ship
ocean jay
ones
quartz hazel
also Tech is gonna work on TIS-3d support for Valk Comp
sturdy rain
all ships have a internal uuid which is unique to each ship
that is very nice
quartz hazel
either way
sturdy rain
is there any chance of open computers being added?
quartz hazel
is there any chance of open computers being added?
oc is a 1.12 mod
oc2 is buggy and has no real external connection support
sturdy rain
ah ok
quartz hazel
(also oc2 is a riscv VM)
sturdy rain
if its buggy it makes sense it wouldn't be added
quartz hazel
i mean i had to do compat mixins for TIS-3d
(it does backface and distance culling on modules)
sturdy rain
I don't know what that means but it sounds annoying and difficult
whenever a mod doesn't work in my packs I don't have the knowledge to fix it
it's always so sad
quartz hazel
basically it wont render modules if it is on the opposite side of the block or on the other side of the block
ah I also had to fix IR not hitting IR modules on ships
quartz hazel
whenever a mod doesn't work in my packs I don't have the knowledge to fix it
hence why you should learn java next :>
quartz hazel
school compSci go brrrrt
ocean jay
pretty boring though
sturdy rain
I think I'm going to set up group lessons with some of the ppl on my team
quartz hazel
idk why but i am suddently considering making a TIS-3D turtle
ocean jay
oh nooi
sturdy rain
are cc turtles enabled?
quartz hazel
yes
sturdy rain
oh
quartz hazel
can you even disable those
sturdy rain
thats gives me ideas
yeah there is a way to disable them
I kind of assumed they were
quartz hazel
i mean if potato disabled http istg we willl riot
ocean jay
?
sturdy rain
i mean if potato disabled http istg we willl riot
thank you
ocean jay
whats istg?
quartz hazel
I Swear to God
ocean jay
wait what would disabling http do
quartz hazel
no HTTP/Websockets
quartz hazel
meaning no importing code from the internet
we would have to drag and drop programs
ocean jay
YEAH I WILL RIOT TOO
quartz hazel
i mean i would be fine since i have SEA archives
(that i made, SEA is short for Self-Extracting Archive)
they are basically self extracting .vfs.gz files
sturdy rain
can that be used to google stuff in game?
quartz hazel
and vfs is a format that stores no metadata
quartz hazel
can that be used to google stuff in game?
it can be used for alot
ocean jay
also websockets are awesome for things like a discord bot which alerts you if ships are detected nearby
quartz hazel
one person even made VC using websockets
quartz hazel
also websockets are awesome for things like a discord bot which alerts you if sh...
you could also use a webhook
sturdy rain
can I have a pc that plays youtube videos?
quartz hazel
can I have a pc that plays youtube videos?
yep
just use youcube
ocean jay
you could also use a webhook
yeah thats what it uses
quartz hazel
ocean jay
oh god
sturdy rain
then I could learn programming without ever leaving minecraft
quartz hazel
i have even contributed to that a bit
quartz hazel
then I could learn programming without ever leaving minecraft
the video quality is dogshit (pardon lang)
it has to be rendered in a terminal using block charachters
sturdy rain
I have an idea but it sounds very hard to do
ocean jay
still pretty good
quartz hazel
yeah but you cant read text
ocean jay
yeah but you cant read text
yeah rip text
ocean jay
or is that not plausible
too hard to do with cc, maybe offload to a server?
ocean jay
well yeah
quartz hazel
the server manages downloading the video and turning it into frames
ocean jay
i just had a dumb idea
what if someone makes a proxy server for tcp support thru websockets
and then
we run a mc server with cc
just make a jvm for cc and run it
pretty dumb but now you dont have to host a server lol
sturdy rain
that would be very cool
quartz hazel
what if someone makes a proxy server for tcp support thru websockets
i mean i did once run a HTTP <-> Websocket convert
and it was uhhh painfull
ocean jay
yeah
quartz hazel
because i had to long poll it
because it was actually FlatBuffers over WS to HTTP
https://github.com/walksanatora/WorldQL-proxy was so that i could Proxy to Roblox for
https://github.com/walksanatora/WorldQL_RBXL
ocean jay
alright guys its been a great time talking with you but i have to go, good luck everyone
👋
sturdy rain
bye!
quartz hazel
hahah i rember i wrote a type def file for roblox
https://github.com/walksanatora/WorldQL_RBXL/blob/main/src/shared/WorldQL/DataTypes.lua
quartz hazel
basically it is a file that defines a bunch of types
and some functions ontop of them
sturdy rain
so it adds new ways to do things?
quartz hazel
no it limits the ways to do things to reduce errors
sturdy rain
oh ok
that makes sense
do you think Sundial is going to get more create addons?
those are always fun
create stuff and additions is my favorite one
quartz hazel
i think we said no to that once
sturdy rain
ah ok
it is a bit op i guess
yeah now that i think about it i think I found it fun because it broke progression
sturdy rain
oh does that still work?
I thought that brass wasn't in the new tinkers version
I should try that
quartz hazel
wait what the server is up?
quartz hazel
I thought that brass wasn't in the new tinkers version
it is still there
nvm connection lost
maiden summit
Yeah the server is dead
sturdy rain
what happened?
maiden summit
We don't know for sure
sturdy rain
how long has it been down?
quartz hazel
a long time
potato wont fix it
and he wont let me fix it
i have somehow traumitised potato against others having cosole access
idk how
but i did
sturdy rain
: (
undone lion
Even if it’s up you can’t connect.
It crashes immediately
sturdy rain
is the world file corrupted?
quartz hazel
idk
undone lion
Possibly?
quartz hazel
it just crashes
undone lion
It does load in enough for me to look around the world a bit
quartz hazel
hey @rough temple can you upload the latest crash log. so i can atleasy try and see what is going on
quartz hazel
It does load in enough for me to look around the world a bit
i cant even log in
undone lion
I’m pretty sure it’s network dependent
But most of the time it’s been offline anyways
quartz hazel
because if so i could probally upload it to somewhere like https://mclo.gs
and it could tell me
undone lion
And besides I don’t think there’s anything folks outside of Potato can do
sturdy rain
that has only happened to my server once, I banned my friend as a joke and unbanned him by deleting the banned players file
undone lion
that has only happened to my server once, I banned my friend as a joke and unban...
I mean that’s one way to unban someone
quartz hazel
potato has not banned anyone though
honest phoenix
You can do pardon command to unban
undone lion
I mean that’s one way to unban someone
Mc just creates a new blank file
undone lion
potato has not banned anyone though
clearly the answer is that someone did /ban Sundial
undone lion
Ah
Good job I guess
sturdy rain
it took me longer than I would like to admit to fix it
undone lion
Couldn’t you just..
Remove the name from the blacklist?
undone lion
¯_(ツ)_/¯
frozen fulcrum
@sturdy rain welcome to the programming world
I highly suggest learning Java through developing Minecraft mods, that way its being put to a practical use and more likely to stick
And about taking quick looks at other languages, the youtube channel Fireship does quick 100 seconds of code segments for quite a few languages and technologies
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0vfts4VzfNiI1BsIK5u7LpPaIDKMJIDN
Including websickets
sturdy rain
@frozen fulcrum thanks for the advice!
how does one go about learning java for mod development?
frozen fulcrum
One sec, I got 3 playlists, what version do you plan to start development for?
@sturdy rain
sturdy rain
probably 1.18.2 unless it would be better to do 1.19
quartz hazel
really just that channel in general
frozen fulcrum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqY17yWENEI&list=PLKGarocXCE1Hut51TKKqZKqVZtKLZC...
Thats the first video of the 1.18 Forge playlist but there's an intro to Java playlist as well
quartz hazel
i refrenced it for adding custom items, meaning you can jump around that playlist for specific topics
frozen fulcrum
@sturdy rain do whichever you plan to use more, could even develop for one and port to the other
sturdy rain
Thats the first video of the 1.18 Forge playlist but there's an intro to Java pl...
Thanks!
quartz hazel
porting is usually pretty easy
since it is just a lot of uhhh name changes
unless Mojank kicks in
frozen fulcrum
Yep, and Kaupenjoe has videos about porting between modern versions as well
sturdy rain
since it is just a lot of uhhh *name changes*
why do mods become incompatible when the game updates? why do they change older stuff?
quartz hazel
because they change things internally
sturdy rain
Yep, and Kaupenjoe has videos about porting between modern versions as well
that sounds helpful
sturdy rain
yeah
quartz hazel
mojank
sturdy rain
optimization is good though
frozen fulcrum
Like Chat Reporting added a whole new security layer to anything using chat so mods that used chat messages or changed chat were not broken
Or how in 1.19.2+ they changed how Creative tabs worked and were structured which also caused issues
quartz hazel
i though they were broken tho
quartz hazel
Gaslight plugin
quartz hazel
yeah if potato ever 1.19.2+ the server
frozen fulcrum
In any case, there are a few ways for mods to become incompatible, all of which are internal changes
Mojang changed something
Forge or Fabric changed something
You changed something
quartz hazel
he better add NoChatReports
otherwise i am going silent
i am only speaking via carrier pidgeon
or CC
or anything except minecraft chat
sturdy rain
In any case, there are a few ways for mods to become incompatible, all of which ...
that sounds kind of annoying
sturdy rain
or anything except minecraft chat
I don't think it works at all on modded servers, might be wrong though
@frozen fulcrum thanks for all the resources btw, I've been looking for stuff like that for a while and couldn't find it for modern versions
I've wanted to try modding for a while
frozen fulcrum
Yea np, Kaupenjoe is a very great guy for those tutorial videos and he covers a lot of Ground
Best thing to take full advantage is to not do things exactly the same but follow along with your own mod in mind
quartz hazel
I don't think it works at all on modded servers, might be wrong though
it would work
but if the server had NoChatReports (which most people put in 1.19 servers)
then it is disabled
i dont think it works on hypixel because hypixel interanlly is a 1.8 server iirc
sturdy rain
it would work
but if the server had NoChatReports (which most people put in 1.19...
that mod is amazing
even has encryption setting
quartz hazel
just gonna AES encrypt my messages
frozen fulcrum
Like when I was first doing Toil and Trouble, I wanted to make my Cast Iron Oven which had a fuel slot, input slot, input jar slot, output slot and jar output spot
So while I mostly followed his BlockEntity and Custom Recipe tutorials, I had to do a few extra bits such as those 2 extra slots and the extra output chance myself
quartz hazel
yep the main think about programming is tinkering with what works
MixinElytra, remove it's flight perms lulw
i could probally write that up
frozen fulcrum
So follow along but keep your mod idea up too so you can realize when you need to go off course a bit
quartz hazel
or i could make a command block at 0,0,0 that just runs /clear @e minecraft:elytra
sturdy rain
So follow along but keep your mod idea up too so you can realize when you need t...
that makes sense
sturdy rain
or i could make a command block at 0,0,0 that just runs `/clear @e minecraft:ely...
or a command block that /kills anyone who tries to use rockets with an elytra, and a death message of x player broke progression
quartz hazel
use rockets with elytra? thats what you want to ban?
frozen fulcrum
Ok so to remove Elytra, be careful how you do so
Some mods may reference it in their code and will cause problems if it no longer exists
My suggestion is to remove it from all loottables so while it still exists, its only obtainable via Creative and commands
sturdy rain
Ok so to remove Elytra, be careful how you do so
Some mods may reference it in ...
is that something I could do without a lot of experience?
frozen fulcrum
Yes and no
You'd likely only need Kaupenjoe's tutorial about modifying loottables to get you on the right track
quartz hazel
no @frozen fulcrum he wants to remove rocket boosting from elytra not the elytra entirely
so this would be a usecase for mixins
but removing elytra outright would be a good interim solution
frozen fulcrum
It would indeed
quartz hazel
gonna see how firework boosting is implemented
frozen fulcrum
So, @sturdy rain, for removing Elytra, you'd need one tutorial from Kaupenjoe
But removing rocket boosting/causing something to happen upon trying to rocket boost would require a Mixin or 2 and that is not so easily taught
Mixins are basically ways to modify existing code that you arent able to edit directly, like Minecraft vanilla code
quartz hazel
because there is a guide on how to decomp minecraft on the wiki https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Tutorials/See_Minecraft's_code
sturdy rain
rocket powered elytra flight is a bit too op for me but i like the idea of having an item that gives a bit of mobility and a way to counteract fall damage but sacrificing armor
frozen fulcrum
because there is a guide on how to decomp minecraft on the wiki https://minecraf...
They don't need all that, the IDEA will do it for em with genSources
sturdy rain
So, <@709783424415563866>, for removing Elytra, you'd need one tutorial from Kau...
that sounds a bit complicated
frozen fulcrum
It is, Mixins are very powerful and very easy to misuse
quartz hazel
war flashbacks
sturdy rain
it would be nice if when you tried to use a rocket the elytra broke and you set on fire
frozen fulcrum
A good chunk of incompat comes from mods changing vanilla stuff with Mixins that another mod needed or also changed
sturdy rain
A good chunk of incompat comes from mods changing vanilla stuff with Mixins that...
is there a way to change the mixins without any compatibility issues?
quartz hazel
it would be nice if when you tried to use a rocket the elytra broke and you set ...
want me to work on this for you
quartz hazel
is there a way to change the mixins without any compatibility issues?
not really
frozen fulcrum
is there a way to change the mixins without any compatibility issues?
Being careful of how and where you apply them
quartz hazel
you just have to hope it works
frozen fulcrum
Like @Inject is likely not to break anything
sturdy rain
want me to work on this for you
I probably can't start today, I have quite a bit of homework
quartz hazel
decomp finished
sturdy rain
actually I might be able to
I'm going to see how fast I can get this all done
I'll be back if I can
just have a lot of engineering hw
frozen fulcrum
I highly suggest starting mod dev with a mod idea that adds new content rather than only changing vanilla content as itll be easier than learning Mixins right of the bat
sturdy rain
I highly suggest starting mod dev with a mod idea that adds new content rather t...
ok, maybe I'll try that first
I might be able to start today but have to finish my engineering stuff first
frozen fulcrum
But if you wanna do Mixins first, FabricWiki has a good guide and Kaupenjoe does do Mixins occasionally in his tutorials when necessary
quartz hazel
found the mixin target public InteractionResultHolder<ItemStack> use(Level level, Player player, InteractionHand interactionHand)
in net.minecraft.world.item.FireworkRocketItem
quartz hazel
yeah edited
frozen fulcrum
So FireworkRocketItem.use() is what you'd wanna change
quartz hazel
yep
here is the entire function
@Override
public InteractionResultHolder<ItemStack> use(Level level, Player player, InteractionHand interactionHand) {
if (player.isFallFlying()) {
ItemStack itemStack = player.getItemInHand(interactionHand);
if (!level.isClientSide) {
FireworkRocketEntity fireworkRocketEntity = new FireworkRocketEntity(level, itemStack, player);
level.addFreshEntity(fireworkRocketEntity);
if (!player.getAbilities().instabuild) {
itemStack.shrink(1);
}
player.awardStat(Stats.ITEM_USED.get(this));
}
return InteractionResultHolder.sidedSuccess(player.getItemInHand(interactionHand), level.isClientSide());
}
return InteractionResultHolder.pass(player.getItemInHand(interactionHand));
}
so you would want to mixin somewhere within the if (!level.isClientSide) block
frozen fulcrum
You'll wanna target addFreshEntity() more than likely
Thats the moment the fireworks is spawned
quartz hazel
yeah just replace that with the effects you wanna do
raw comet
To create a train from a vs contraption, or to build one on top?
first one, though second one might be nice too
versed yoke
first one, though second one might be nice too
It would be very disadvantagous compared to create
create's trains can cross un-loaded areas
if the stations are loaded
you couldn't do that with physics based trains
spiral halo
Number 12 CLOCKwork
frozen fulcrum
you couldn't do that with physics based trains
Well you both can't and can
You just need to keep the ship loaded
abstract vine
create's trains can cross un-loaded areas
which is only vaguely helpful since you still need the station loaded
rough temple
you couldn't do that with physics based trains
You can
versed yoke
you gotta be crazy to load chunks for ships that are not piloted by a player
especially how laggy Sundial was
imagine someone builds 5 trains with chunk loading
and bye-bye tps
versed yoke
which is only vaguely helpful since you still need the station loaded
way better than having to load new chunks constantly
it's really expensive to load and decompress all that data
if you only load a single chunk for the other station it could be an "okay-ish" solution
but even better if the other station is in another player's base
you are able to initiate trade
rough temple
imagine someone builds 5 trains with chunk loading
?
You evidently don’t know how chunkloading works
fossil walrus
this server is still up right?
fossil walrus
wait really?
last server potato made there was a glitch at beginning where only 1 person can load in
damn
well that ruins my plans
proven cave
@rough temple what are you hosting server on? I may have some recommendations
quartz hazel
@proven cave Bisect Hosting sponsered instance
proven cave
Is that like free
If so that's not really beatable but I've found some crazy good deals on dedicated servers
quartz hazel
it is free because bisect is just giving it to him as a sponsorship for clockwork
rough temple
It’s free
proven cave
Free real estate
maiden summit
Free and dead
quartz hazel
yeah @rough temple can you gib crash log so i can try and figure out what is going wrong
maiden summit
That will never happen
frozen fulcrum
its likely the world itself is correupted
quartz hazel
but then atleast we can find out which chunks to reset
(minor spelling mistake, opinion invalid, corrupted has 1 e not 2 e)
rough temple
I couldn’t give you it if I wanted to rn
quartz hazel
lemme disect the crash
quartz hazel
fair
(though when i managed the budget server there were times i had to log in on my phone that was painful)
rough temple
No I mean the password just
Doesn’t work on my phone for some reason
Won’t let me log in
Says invalid even though I know it’s not
quartz hazel
w- w- what, bistroke hosting
rough temple
Tor on a fone
quartz hazel
wait why phone, do you not have unlimited data 
i use TOR on my laptop at school (for discord mabey steam)
rough temple
I don’t have my laptop
lucid ginkgo
I agree. You are arguably worse
last river
is the server offline?
sturdy rain
you could ask one of the devs but I think they might just wait until clockwork comes out
last river
alright
quartz hazel
is the server offline?
offline because potato wont fix it
speaking of which @rough temple you said you would give me a log waaaahhhhhhhh ||(crying like a little b**** about it)||
maiden summit
speaking of which <@335982895472705547> you said you would give me a log waaaahh...
Xd
I might host a server
I have a got a good deal so maybe
stark marsh
I might host a server <:clueless:1043639302883655680>
HeavenMC
maiden summit
HeavenMC
Good name
Xd
Potao if you want i can host sundail and give you admin too so if the server dies again people can ping me and you don't need to deal with angry childrens anymore
If you want to escape from children just msg me 👍
versed yoke
You evidently don’t know how chunkloading works
I evidently have a good enough guess, I have my own chunk loading system in my own game that's probably very similar, and evidently been playing this game for 12 years, sometimes on servers which allowed you to chunk load. All of them were laggy as hell, and chunk loaders were only active for a set amount of time (basically you needed to buy credits to have chunk loaders running when you are offline, e.g. on mineyourmind)
also, when you were testing the laggyness of the server when you set it up you were testing it wrong
you had all players hanging around spawn blowing shit up
but spawn is always loaded no matter what, and all the players were loading the same chunks
to test it properly you would need to spread out all players randomly in the world and give them ships
mint light
/airhorn
maiden summit
Potao if you want i can host sundail and give you admin too so if the server die...
Also no money needed forgot to mention
strange karma
Potao if you want i can host sundail and give you admin too so if the server die...
Never gonna happen
Sorry not sorry for what im about to say potato
Potato is too much of a control freak for that to ever happen
abstract vine
Potato is too much of a control freak for that to ever happen
banned
maiden summit
I'm just wanted to be helpful, more like a sponsor and deal with the kids
rough temple
Potao if you want i can host sundail and give you admin too so if the server die...
Uh
I’m sponsored by bisect hosting
I don’t pay for the server
rough temple
Potato is too much of a control freak for that to ever happen
🤨
I’m not a control freak I’m just getting sponsored
maiden summit
Well i tryed
last river
I’m not a control freak I’m just getting sponsored
so when will it be up?
can i help with anything?
ocean jay
I don’t pay for the server
you can still give someone else the access
ocean jay
After walks
?
ocean jay
what happened??