Sundial

[strange karma]

and all the devs who play it as they dev it

[undone heart]

man, potato be typing

[rough temple]

There’s so much polish to be done…

Gravitron needs a rewrite and needs animations and more features and a lot
Infuser needs a reanimation
Flaps need a new model
Afterblazers need to take liquid fuel and need a new model
Intakes need to actually matter and have their particles fixed
Propellors for once are as good as I’m gonna get them
Flap bearings need a new model and better Redstone detection
Reaction wheel item model is fucked rn for some reason
I need animated fluid textures for like 9 fuels
Need to make custom effects for all the fuel pastries
I might work on the sequenced Sonophone… or leave it for 0.1.1

Gotta add partial animations to all, and I mean all, of the blocks

And just

So much more

That’s barely scratching the surface

[strange karma]

mega oof alert

well what are you waiting for

get to work

[rough temple]

On the way home rn

[strange karma]

nice

[undone heart]

man.. that's a lot, good luck

[rough temple]

And that’s for the polish

As for actually finishing features up

Propellors need conservation of momentum

[rancid pagoda]

Wow that's gonna be a challenge

[rough temple]

Reaction wheels need to sap angular momentum properly

Ballooner needs to actually do anything lol

Afterblazers need to properly change modes at the correct altitudes

I gotta do all of the liquid fuel system stuff and the combustion engine

I will get it done though

For the gamers

[strange karma]

potato you deserve like at least a month off after this, tho im sure knowing you, you will prob start on the next content update like 2 days after release

[undone heart]

dang, you're not doing all that yourself though, you're getting help from other people as well, right?

[rancid pagoda]

Will props have that counterforce thing
Where it applies a spin to your craft due to air resistance

[rancid pagoda]

Sure hope so, this has been a huge effort

[rough temple]

Math wise yes I am

But like models and textures and the block code and whatnot no

[undone heart]

damn

[rough temple]

Fluffy is soloing the mixins tho

Applaud them too

They’ve singlehandedly fixed like 99% of create

On vs2

[undone heart]

👏

[rough temple]

Mostly because I’m mid tier at math especially complex physics shit

And my solutions are typically

Eh

[mint light]

is there maybe a created modpack for solo enjoyment? all this sounds great, basically the thing i was going for, but with added dragons - like 75% of this modpack contains something from my modpack, or something with a similar role
and the configs sound nice, making op mods not so op

[rough temple]

You can always just modify the pack as you’d like in solo

This pack is being curated specifically for the server

With a fine comb

[mint light]

i am trash at that, and the way it is being curated for the server works really nicely for me (from first impressions)

[rough temple]

Fair but at the end of the day I can’t really personalize modpacks for everyone or I’d have no time to clockwork

[rough temple]

Oh no trust me I am taking a break once it’s out lol

I can’t burn myself out while I’m ahead

[strange karma]

good

[mint light]

i don't need it personalised, what i am asking for is the server modpack that is already tuned for the server

[undone heart]

oh thank goodness

[rough temple]

I may work on the sequenced sonophone and Stringbox though since that’s a for fun feature I’m making for myself

[mint light]

so uh... 👉 👈

server modpack wher?

[undone heart]

hope you don't mind me asking, but what's the sequenced sonophone?

[rough temple]

Pinned

[mint light]

oh i am blind
(removing the funni gif, as once it got me banned on a server ;-;)

[rough temple]

funny music sequencer block

One is for brass instruments (sonophone) and one is for string instruments (Stringbox)

Yes intend to code a music sequencer in a mc gui

No I will not be stopped

[undone heart]

oh, that's neat

[undone heart]

I am worried

just, in general

[rough temple]

It’ll have 3 different modes for each

The sonophone will have Triumphant (heavy lead brass instruments, trumpets and horns), Jazzy (Saxophone because it’s the instrument I play best), and Rumblin (Tuba and low tones)

Stringbox will have Strummin’ (acoustic guitar), Somber (violin) and Rockin’ (electric guitar)

[undone heart]

this sounds really friggin' awesome, but please take a break so you don't get burned out

[rough temple]

I dislike how the only ways to really play music in mc at the moment are seven mile long noteblock chains, hell pitch steam whistles, or a program with CC tweaked

And as a saxophonist

gotta have some proper tunes

[rough temple]

Don’t worry

I will

I’ll probably spend at least two weeks playing on sundial post release with intermittent working

Then back to the grindset

[undone heart]

aight, good

[rough temple]

However

Before I can take a break

I must win

[undone heart]

the speed at which you work is actually terrifying

[rough temple]

Nah it ain’t

It was for a while but I’ve slowed because i got to the actually hard parts lol

I’m decent pace

[undone heart]

fair

kinda funny how everyone was saying it was gonna come out in 2 weeks for 2 weeks

"it'll come out tomorrow, unless it doesn't"

[rough temple]

yes

[strange karma]

2 weeks from any point in time it will come out

on saturday

[undone heart]

but honestly, the fact that this mod could release within the first 3 months of its development is hilarious

[strange karma]

welp back to the mecha grind

wish me luck

[undone heart]

🐈‍⬛

[undone heart]

is that a SE mech?

[strange karma]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-face-creepy-smile-gif-18297390

[undone heart]

looks cool

[strange karma]

thx

its gonna be controlled by at least 2 people

maybe 3

[lucid ginkgo]

The mod could come out in 5 seconds

I wouldn’t know

[blazing knoll]

Are you gonna go fight Clang with that thing or what?

[strange karma]

more of a embodiment of Klang

[lucid ginkgo]

Fight

[blazing knoll]

Ah

Did you see the spiky-haired eyeball-y clang on the SE reddit recently

[strange karma]

no

send

[abstract vine]

2 of those aren’t even polish

[rancid pagoda]

I second this

[blazing knoll]

It's been an entire saga cuz the user's been posting progress every so often but this is what it's looking like nowadays https://www.reddit.com/r/spaceengineers/comments/10x6lab/lord_klang_beware_i_live_added_left_arm_cannon/

[strange karma]

thats badass

[rancid pagoda]

Oh HOLY CLANG

[mint light]

i think create could use some more steam powered equipment, a boiler wouldn't only be a steam engine component, it could passively generate steam, which the steam engine would use, or used with reinforced brass pipes to transfer steam / pressure to other equipment - like a steam cannon?

[rancid pagoda]

Create isn't a steam mod tho

[mint light]

true... but some specialised equipment could be made...

either way a cool idea i am way too lazy to try making it reality lmaoo

[rancid pagoda]

That could possibly be the focus of an addon

[rough temple]

Textures and rewrites are polish

[abstract vine]

final touches or improvements to ensure something is as aesthetically pleasing and error-free as possible

a code re write isn’t exactly polish

[rough temple]

It is a final touch/improvement

[strange karma]

error-free as possible

[abstract vine]

final touches are “i fixed a tiny bug” or “i made this object stick out more”

not

“I completely rewrote the code for something”

[rancid pagoda]

Sometimes that's the easiest way to fix a tiny bug

[lucid ginkgo]

Sometimes the easiest way to fix a bug is a intercontinental ballistic missile

[rough temple]

The bug is the entirety of the gravitron code rn

[lucid ginkgo]

Give me the mod and il look at it

Wont fix it

[rough temple]

It’s not just shit it’s horse shit

[lucid ginkgo]

Just look at it

[abstract vine]

what’s the main issue with it now

[lucid ginkgo]

You.

[abstract vine]

i remember the old one being forge inventory ticks being slow

[agile urchin]

throw items in forge like you can in gmod

[abstract vine]

i am a solution, not an issue

[abstract vine]

because of forge inventory ticks being poopoo peepee

[agile urchin]

forge is ass but I cant stop using it

lmao

[abstract vine]

are there even any other options?

[agile urchin]

fabric, but fabric is good for performance and rpg modpacks from what I've played. forge is amazing for tech imo unless every tech mod updates to fabric

[abstract vine]

fabric is better optimized and easier to work with

but like

[agile urchin]

froge

[abstract vine]

there are a total of 5 original mods

and the rest of them are brute forced forge ports held together with duct tape and spit

[lucid ginkgo]

Fabric mods are higher quality

Theres just less

[rough temple]

this is still the issue

[rough temple]

you cant use the fact that mcreator is forge only to drag down forge's average

excluding mcreator

they are even

quality wise

[abstract vine]

actually

[lucid ginkgo]

Na fabric are more polished often

[abstract vine]

since potato got to work with create fabric

[lucid ginkgo]

Alot of forge mods are just old mods being ported

[abstract vine]

is it more of a boiler plate hell than normal create

[warm gazelle]

tbf there are a handful of good mcreator mods

[lucid ginkgo]

Alot of fabric is new. With some forge ports

[rough temple]

okay

list them

give me 5 polished fabric only mods

[lucid ginkgo]

Im on phone

[abstract vine]

immersive portals

[rough temple]

off the top of your head

[abstract vine]

GLASS

that’s it

that’s all I can remember

actually

[rough temple]

started on forge

has an actively maintained forge version

[lucid ginkgo]

I cant tell you 5 polished mods of any version

[warm gazelle]

I'd say the average fabric mod is better than the average forge mod, but good forge mods tend to be better than good fabric mods

[agile urchin]

I want a scout forge port, it's such a cool concept

[abstract vine]

isn’t the forge version 1.13 only or something?

because of dimension bullshit

[rough temple]

no

its latest

[warm gazelle]

^

[abstract vine]

odd

[lucid ginkgo]

Forge has higher highs and lower lows

[warm gazelle]

exactly

[abstract vine]

i swear I remember that being a problem

[rough temple]

?

glass as in general laymann's aesthetic spying screen?

that's a 1.12 forge mod

[abstract vine]

and was why non of the rendering mods work anymore on later versions

[rough temple]

or something else abbreviated as glass

[warm gazelle]

it was a while ago, but ultimately the dev decided to continue forge support

So you are remembering correctly

[abstract vine]

wrong mod

i did a oopsie

[rough temple]

ah

[lucid ginkgo]

ah

[rough temple]

i miss GLASS

i wish it had a modern port

[lucid ginkgo]

i miss GLASS

i wish it had a modern port

[rough temple]

so true

[warm gazelle]

Tetra, Astral Sorcery, Thaumcraft...

[lucid ginkgo]

so true

Tetra, Astral Sorcery, Thaumcraft...

[abstract vine]

AD Astra

[lucid ginkgo]

AD Astra

[warm gazelle]

eh

[abstract vine]

objectively better than it’s forge counter part

[lucid ginkgo]

eh

[abstract vine]

beyond earth

[agile urchin]

i miss GLASS
i wish it had a modern port

[rough temple]

ad astra was originally forge

also it has a forge version in the works

[warm gazelle]

Ad Astra is lactose-free Galacticraft

[lucid ginkgo]

i miss GLASS
i wish it had a modern port

[abstract vine]

in the form of beyond earth

[agile urchin]

ad astra

[abstract vine]

which was

[rough temple]

except galacticraft has a 1.19 fabric port

[abstract vine]

something

[rough temple]

so whats the point

[lucid ginkgo]

fabric will probably win forge vs fabric

[warm gazelle]

since when?

[lucid ginkgo]

And quilt prob wont

[rough temple]

since a while

[warm gazelle]

Fabric will win. someday.

That day hasn't come yet though.

[abstract vine]

actually

galacticcraft 1.19

[warm gazelle]

Fabric hasn't had enough time to accumulate the really great, truly original masterwork-quality mods that forge has

[abstract vine]

fabric already won

[lucid ginkgo]

I think fabric is nearing the middle now

[rough temple]

eh

no

[jovial grotto]

Link?

[lucid ginkgo]

There approching simular quality ofteb

[rough temple]

i dont think fabric is close to overtaking forge any time soon

i think it's more that now you've got two giants

[warm gazelle]

I can't think of many exclusively fabric mods that are iconic

[rough temple]

bitchslapping eachother

[rough temple]

i cant think of any

my main one wouldve been origins but thats forge now

[lucid ginkgo]

The golden age of modding was awhile back

[abstract vine]

fabric api

[rough temple]

create was originating on forge and is a modern mod

[lucid ginkgo]

So unless another golden age comes around there prob wont be any

[warm gazelle]

imo Create started a second golden age

well, third

[rough temple]

if vs2 sparks a golden age

it will be on both modloaders

harmony and peace

[lucid ginkgo]

Nope

[abstract vine]

did it?

[lucid ginkgo]

Chaos and war

[abstract vine]

it’s just one cool mod

it’s an amazing mod which provides automation in a flavor never seen in any game before

but it’s still just a single mod

[lucid ginkgo]

I doubt its golden age level due to airship mods existing before and cockworks needs another mod

[rough temple]

create sparked an entire modding community around its addons

[rough temple]

i mean

this isnt an airship mod

this is a physics engine in mc

[lucid ginkgo]

Yea yea

[rough temple]

there's a bit of a level difference

[lucid ginkgo]

🤓🤓🤓

[abstract vine]

most of which are in extreme rocky development

so

[rough temple]

someone's making a realistic electrical system with it

im making non-block physics vehicles

there's gonna be a whole ass space api

[lucid ginkgo]

Create addons are like

[warm gazelle]

first golden age was the original tech mods and mod packs. tekkit, technic, ftb etc...; buildcraft, ic2, etc

second golden age were the iconic magic mods and expanding tech mods. Thaumcraft, mekanism, Astral sorcery etc...

3rd golden age is the shift away from "magic boxes that do everything", as seen in Create, IE, farmer's delight, etc...

[lucid ginkgo]

Terrible

[abstract vine]

don’t count your chickens before they hatch

[rough temple]

agreed

[lucid ginkgo]

None have been completed

[rough temple]

90% of create addons are incomplete

the remaining 10% are near unusable, all deco, or broken bad

[abstract vine]

you forgot

[lucid ginkgo]

Broken bad will cause the next golden age

[abstract vine]

about the food addons

[lucid ginkgo]

I wonder what the 4th golden age will ve

If ever

[rough temple]

cbc is like the most polished create addon and its still not good because it's nigh unusable without a degree in kinetic weaponry, about four good luck charms, and a dream

and even then

bullet deviation will fuck you over

[mint light]

i just like placing wrought iron cannons on a vs airship and battle dragons...

[rough temple]

so theres no winning

[lucid ginkgo]

Maybe like super immersive VR? Kinda doubt it but i cant think of much else

[rough temple]

i think we're in the midst of a silver age of modding rn

[abstract vine]

tech isn’t even nearly there

[rough temple]

i dont think we can ever have another golden age

[warm gazelle]

The only exclusive-fabric mod with the potential content range, depth and style to become iconic that I can think of, is Spectrum, but it's still not even halfway through development yet

[rough temple]

until the versions settle down

[lucid ginkgo]

VR tech is there

[rough temple]

theres too much version chasing rn

[mint light]

tru

[abstract vine]

vr is

[rough temple]

way too much version chasing for a golden age

[warm gazelle]

fair enough

[rough temple]

we've been in a perpetual silver age since 1.16

[abstract vine]

super immersive consumer vr isn’t

[lucid ginkgo]

Well 1.18.2 is at a level

[rough temple]

people keep thinking the modding community will settle and pick a version

it wont

[lucid ginkgo]

Of golden age opportunity

It has

[rough temple]

nah it isnt

[lucid ginkgo]

1.16 and 1.18 are major spikes

[rough temple]

1.20 will be and then 1.22 and then 1.24

and people will keep saying

that

[abstract vine]

can’t exactly have a golden age of mods that require a 300 USD helmet

[rough temple]

every 2 versions

[lucid ginkgo]

1.18 was cuz chat moderation

[frozen bison]

bro

[lucid ginkgo]

1.16 cuz create

[rough temple]

nah bro its because 1.19 runs like ass

you can remove chat moderation with a 3 line mod

[rough temple]

its just the performance of 1.19 which sucks

[lucid ginkgo]

Both where silver versions

Not golden versions like 1.12

[rough temple]

no i mean we're in a silver age

[abstract vine]

so did they just

[rough temple]

like

[lucid ginkgo]

But good modding stops

[rough temple]

every version since 1.16

has been a silver age

[warm gazelle]

wait, so just going from version settling, there were 4(?) golden ages?

1. Pre-1.7
2. 1.7-1.8
3. 1.12
4. 1.16

[abstract vine]

completely overtake beyond earth

because if so

that’s amazing

[rough temple]

1.16 wasnt a golden age

[warm gazelle]

no?

[lucid ginkgo]

1.16 was not golden

Only silver

[rough temple]

1.16 was the start of the current silver age

[warm gazelle]

alright, that's fair

so we're at 3

[rough temple]

a golden age requires years in the oven

1.12 was the last time mc will probably ever have that

[frozen bison]

yeah

[lucid ginkgo]

A golden age needs the perfect conditions

[mint light]

we are in a silver age, 1.18 may become the next 1.12/1.7.10 of modding, it will be clearer within 3-6 months

[rough temple]

nah definitely not

[warm gazelle]

pre-1.7, 1.7, 1.12?

[rough temple]

1.18 is not 1.12 material

[lucid ginkgo]

Good preformance. Lots of players. No updates for awhile

[mint light]

yea

[rough temple]

^^

1.18 has like

one and a half of those

[lucid ginkgo]

1 and 2

[rough temple]

not good enough

[abstract vine]

good for them, great to see beyond have it’s shins kicked in

[warm gazelle]

Fabric might spark a golden age, but I can't see another golden age in forge

[rough temple]

0.5, 1, 0

[rough temple]

i disagree

i think the next golden age will be on both modloaders

[abstract vine]

even if it is just galacticraft diet

[rough temple]

its not about modloader specifics

its about the general modding community

making some cool ass shit

[lucid ginkgo]

I dont see forge going into another golden age fully unless its fabric and forge

[abstract vine]

also we’re having 2 conversations here

neither of which

are related to the server

[frozen bison]

based

[rough temple]

i intend to have clockwork be as close to a "golden age mod" in terms of quality as i can

[warm gazelle]

part of a golden age requires the community to be small enough to have cohesion - forge is too big now for that imo

[abstract vine]

truly the ultimate #1020804379491709068 experience

[rough temple]

i think create was a golden age mod in a sea of bronzes and dirt

[undone heart]

this place is at the forefront of that guaranteed

[lucid ginkgo]

Golden age mods are best if they invoate on old stuff

[warm gazelle]

yes - that

[blazing knoll]

I have high hopes it will be

[lucid ginkgo]

Thats why create got so big. FE power system got boring

[frozen bison]

create started all that

[blazing knoll]

You're and the rest putting a lot of love into it

[lucid ginkgo]

Create was a micro golden age

[rough temple]

it wasnt a golden age

it was a golden mod in a bronze age

actually can you even call 1.13-1.15 a bronze age

that might be generous

it was a dark age lol

[undone heart]

that's why it's in 99% of modpacks

[warm gazelle]

Create was the backlash against the 1st-2nd golden age, as we slipped back into a bronze age

[rough temple]

my goal with clockwork is to simply do things that other mods just havent done

because

im not here to redeliver an existing experience

im here to game

[frozen bison]

speaking about versions

[warm gazelle]

Now, I'm curious - how much cross-talk is there between the VS2 crowd and the C:S crowd?

[frozen bison]

who even cared about 1.13 1.15 and 1.17

[undone heart]

what you're doing is actually so friggin' cool, I can't wait to make some crazy things

[rough temple]

none

theyve cut ties

they dont want compat

[rough temple]

1.15 was good

[warm gazelle]

wonder how that will turn out

[rough temple]

we've offered numerous times to make compat and they have denied it with hostility so we dont care

we're our mod

they're theirs

[warm gazelle]

My understanding is that you're both taking the generally same approach

[rough temple]

not really

[frozen bison]

nah

[rough temple]

we're similar approaches to a similar question but our similarities end at the required ones

[warm gazelle]

blocks are stored elsewhere, and then projected in place as a cohesive unit

ofc I know nothing of the technical stuff beyond that

so I imagine there can be a lot of internal differences

[rough yarrow]

THE MITOCHONDRIA IS THE POWERHOUSE OF THE CELL.

[strange karma]

i leave for an hour and this is what happens

[rough temple]

i think the main difference is to my knowledge aero "worldshells" use entities and vs2 does not use entities

[strange karma]

the hell is going on here

[warm gazelle]

conversation

[rough temple]

🤯

a conversation without you

[rough yarrow]

Agreed

[frozen bison]

1.13 was also but mod makers stayed more on a 1.14 and 1.16

[rough temple]

insane

[rough temple]

no it was not lol

[warm gazelle]

wait

[rough temple]

the flattening

[warm gazelle]

if VS2 doesn't use entities, then how....

[rough temple]

it uses its own system

[warm gazelle]

ah

[rough temple]

entities are not related

essentially ships (and soon vsbodies) are entirely seperate from entities, adjacent to them

like there's blocks

and theres entities

and theres ships

and theres vsbodies

theyre all seperate objects and concepts

thats also why commands dont work with vs2 stuff yet

because they arent entities

there are commands being worked on specifically for ships

but thatll come with api iirc

[quartz hazel]

I find human shit worse then horse shit

[warm gazelle]

I mean, sooner or later, the Create: Simulated crowd is gonna be released to be played, and I'd imagine the code as well. Would compat be possible then?

[strange karma]

compat might be hard t o make\

[abstract vine]

issue isn’t the compat isn’t possible

[quartz hazel]

They wouldn't let it be

[frozen bison]

though we were speaking more about a content of mods rather than technical side

[abstract vine]

C:S just refuses to have any compat

[warm gazelle]

Because obviously players are gonna put both into their modpacks, no matter who tells them not to

[rough yarrow]

everything in humans is worse than horse stuff. a human bite, when it draws blood, is almost as toxic as a dog's

[quartz hazel]

(Aero devs hate vs2, they will probally actively break vs2)

[rough yarrow]

this is mainly due to our dietary needs.

[strange karma]

now now, no need to generalize the devs, there is chill devs too

[quartz hazel]

Astral projection

[rough yarrow]

we eat everything, means that everything puts some of their bacteria in our mouths.

horses don't eat meat so every bacteria living in meat isn't present in a horse's bite

[rough temple]

legally cannot

[rough yarrow]

unless the horse is some type of freak

[rough temple]

according to the direct wishes of their dev team

we are not to make compat with them

[quartz hazel]

You would be surprised what mixins can do ;>

[frozen bison]

how do you even imagine compat between different engines

[quartz hazel]

Or not suprised

[rough temple]

do you not understand what

legally means

they legally cant intentionally break compat

[rough yarrow]

I think that one of the engines will be overridden, but the content of the other addon would be kept in

[quartz hazel]

How can you break something that does not exist

[abstract vine]

i have le receipts

[rough temple]

you were- the one who said that???

[rough temple]

.

[frozen bison]

for what reasons

[quartz hazel]

They will use mixns to make vs2 use fästmäth

[rough yarrow]

bro wtf

[frozen bison]

simulated and clockwork have to different approaches on making air vehicles

[mint light]

i kind of added about 30-40% of the Sundial modpack to my current solo modpack... let's see how many times i will crash the game before i figure out any compat problems or missing libraries

[quartz hazel]

Fästmäth is a fun mod

[undone heart]

that's horrifying

[rough yarrow]

why was the horse biting Steve

[warm gazelle]

Saw it on reddit and everybody was as baffled as you and I are

[quartz hazel]

Have two*

[rough yarrow]

because the two engines are very different I think.

[frozen bison]

too

[rough yarrow]

where the f do you wander on reddit

[undone heart]

oh hey, eureka works better now

sweet

[abstract vine]

how so

in the end it’s just propellers, wings, balloons and glue

[rough yarrow]

guys how do I stop feeling lonely

[mint light]

that horse either was sick, or the guy deserved this
horses will kick or defend themselves when scared, but never attack a person like that unless sick as mentioned before, or the guy hurt the horse? not a horse expert but i have been riding horses and generally spent a bit of time around them

[frozen bison]

nah

[abstract vine]

listen to the voices

[lucid ginkgo]

What is C:S

[warm gazelle]

Create: Simulated

[abstract vine]

aeronautics

[lucid ginkgo]

Oh

[warm gazelle]

(banner for Create: Aeronautics, Liftoff, Offroad...)

[frozen bison]

clockwork already has something of a jet engines, reaction wheels, pilot seats, etc

[rough yarrow]

interesting, thanks for the pointers

[quartz hazel]

Create + physic

[lucid ginkgo]

Well i mean to be fair. How would a compact even work? Prob be buggy af

I know what aero is

Just not what C:S stood for

[rough temple]

well

they dont even want the mods to boot together

[quartz hazel]

Think clockwork
But with more blocks added to jt

[rough yarrow]

LET THE POTATO SPEAK.

[rough temple]

nevermind engine interaction

im talking about like

bare minimum, game doesnt instacrash compat

they dont want

[frozen bison]

and what it will do

ship collisions?

[lucid ginkgo]

I mean there completely different mods

I understand the want for no compact

[rough temple]

ignoring that one fiasco

[rough yarrow]

so they intentionally adding some line of code to make the two crash once launched together ?

[quartz hazel]

I am considering making a mod called "aero2" that just has mixins to replace aero simulated backend with vs2 functions

[lucid ginkgo]

[mint light]

i'll just see which has better physics and more features lmao (of course polish of those mods matters a lot)

[rough temple]

no not really

making two popular mods incapable of booting simultaneously with no interaction

is not

reasonable lol

[rough yarrow]

why creating pointless conflicts though

[rough temple]

especially when vs2 was offering to make it ourselves

without their involvement

[warm gazelle]

perhaps they wanted to be involved

[rough temple]

im not gonna talk about it but you may or may not know what im referring to

[lucid ginkgo]

Im bouta be home. Then i can work on my modpack

[rough temple]

based

[lucid ginkgo]

I know what you mean

[rough yarrow]

ultimately it's for the community, not for the team behind it. sure you get audience, but wouldn't it be better if the two mods got together to create something fantastic ? the two sides would earn much more than just plain old pointless rivalry based on "hey I did that first, so you fuck off to do something else OR ELSE"

[frozen bison]

was it really necessary?

[lucid ginkgo]

I used to be major on aero til they banned me for 🤓infg admins

[rough temple]

LMFAO

i would knoiw

i remember in that one create politics server

[frozen bison]

it's like adding a compat between tinker and tetra

[lucid ginkgo]

Create politics

[abstract vine]

banned for 9/11 logo 😔

[lucid ginkgo]

Most based server

[rough yarrow]

new addon

[warm gazelle]

I would absolutely be down for a tinker/tetra compat

[rough yarrow]

I was never a fan of tinker. the only thing I like is the casting of tools

[rough temple]

who was the clown in create politics that seethed and malded over vs2 constantly

[rough yarrow]

but the textures are shit

[rough temple]

i forgot their name 💀

[rough yarrow]

he forgor 💀

[quartz hazel]

Tinkers works out of the box :>

[warm gazelle]

as does tetra?

[quartz hazel]

Idk

[abstract vine]

somedom?

i think he was there

[lucid ginkgo]

Create politics is literally just the best server

[rough temple]

no not somedom

i mean that rat

[lucid ginkgo]

No it as a aero admin

Star i think

[rough yarrow]

does it ? no it doesn't, it doesn't melt iron and ores

[rough temple]

nono i mean the other rat

[lucid ginkgo]

Star made create politics

Im pretty sure

[warm gazelle]

oh, like casting

[rough temple]

not the person who made it

[strange karma]

the bunny guy

[lucid ginkgo]

Oh

[rough temple]

not the bunny guy either

[abstract vine]

oh buni

[lucid ginkgo]

Ryan?

The spy?

[rough yarrow]

Tetra casts molten ores now ??

[rough temple]

not ryan

it wasnt an aero dev

[strange karma]

no the guy who was a bunny

[rough yarrow]

damn it changed a lot since 1.16

[frozen bison]

same

[strange karma]

but it was not em

[abstract vine]

the glasses profile guy?

[rough temple]

it was one of the casual rats

[warm gazelle]

no, tetra doesn't

[rough temple]

after the smoke cleared

[lucid ginkgo]

The one who snitched?

[rough yarrow]

last time I played they added the belts

[warm gazelle]

although the tetra structures are back now

[lucid ginkgo]

Cuz ryan had alts in the server

[strange karma]

the other one that was like andrupuka but not based?

[rough temple]

no it was the mf with the uhh

glasses pfp

thats it

thats what it was

[abstract vine]

does politics still exist

[lucid ginkgo]

Oh

[strange karma]

glassses?

[lucid ginkgo]

I know them

[rough temple]

artek

thats their name

[abstract vine]

wasn’t he the owner

[warm gazelle]

And ancient parts are getting more uses

[lucid ginkgo]

Artkek#0098

[rough yarrow]

dude are you in contact with simi btw

[abstract vine]

and also an aero mod or something like that

[frozen bison]

always liked that casting system but tools look like shit

[rough temple]

not in the slightest why

[rough yarrow]

i'll tell u

so

if u are on the create railways server

I'm an admin there

[rough temple]

guh

[warm gazelle]

Being able to use tinkers tool-parts in a tetra workbench, instead of just the raw materials for the part...

[rough yarrow]

and there was some drama about him ripping off the train and coupling mechanics from our team

We were talking about what we could add to our addon

that wouldn't override Create's future updates

[rough temple]

i remember when create railways started before 0.5

[rough yarrow]

this was before the steam update

[rough temple]

and then

0.5

[rough yarrow]

Yeah

well

it's because we got ratfucked

[fossil walrus]

server when 😳

[rough yarrow]

we were about to add the buildable trains

until we found them on the new update

[rough temple]

guh

thats a rip

[rough yarrow]

I even modeled the boggies, many types too

many bumpers

[warm gazelle]

I thought the create team gave you a heads-up?

[rough yarrow]

well we did talk to them

and what appeared to be okay wasn't after all

and ended up taking some of our ideas

so, just a heads up

communication is key

[fossil walrus]

theres monorails now

[rough yarrow]

if you don't want to get ratfucked too

[rough temple]

its just an upside down train

[fossil walrus]

you can place on top too

[rough temple]

clockwork wont

create isnt intending to add physics any time soon

[rough yarrow]

yep

[quartz hazel]

We aren't a create mod
And if they steel from us it would be funny to watch them implement a entire physics engine

[rough yarrow]

they don't have time for that

big addons don't fear anything

[quartz hazel]

Steel vs steal

[rough yarrow]

This is why I left the development of Railways too, i'm still in the legacy team... This amongst other reasons.

[lucid ginkgo]

Most create addons suck

[fossil walrus]

most

[rough temple]

correct

[lucid ginkgo]

It is a fact of life

[frozen bison]

if it was a compat i think it would only as a standalone mod which would rework all that crafting and casting system removing old parts and workbenches

[rough temple]

the addon that doesnt suck is clockwork /j

[rough yarrow]

bro we had such a good idea that it got added to the base mod, I don't think the railways team sucks

[fossil walrus]

there's very few that dont suck

[lucid ginkgo]

Very few

[rough temple]

i think railways in its current state is a bit

hollow

[fossil walrus]

like create: crafts and additions is pretty lit

[rough temple]

its evidently waiting on aeronautics

for physics

and bleh

[rough yarrow]

potato, our main idea was stolen

[fossil walrus]

well they say the are adding a steam system

[quartz hazel]

They should use vs2 physics

[rough yarrow]

of course it's hollow

[rough temple]

ye im aware

[rough yarrow]

we went from adding buildable trains to making custom hats for andesite casings

[lucid ginkgo]

Is this create steam and rails

[fossil walrus]

💀

[rough temple]

but honestly if my idea was stolen that hard id just make a new addon entirely

i applaud the effort put into not letting the flame die out but

like

[fossil walrus]

they kinda are, they added the steam part to it

i dont think they ever intended on adding steam

[rough temple]

they

[lucid ginkgo]

Ima steal cockworks and make potato make a new addon

[fossil walrus]

maybe they did idk

[quartz hazel]

Potato should make a tis-3d addon

[rough temple]

[rough yarrow]

Steam was also a strong suggestion from our leader to Simi :/

[rough temple]

smh my head

oh well

a lot of addons got fucked with 0.5

a lot of things in general did

[frozen bison]

yeah

[fossil walrus]

cbc is very lit

[rough yarrow]

We'll see which addons will fall next time

or which addons will emerge from darkness

[quartz hazel]

Create trying to break addon compat challenge: impossible

[rough temple]

crafts and additions isnt really that lit

[rough yarrow]

I never liked it

[quartz hazel]

S&A is pretty good

[rough temple]

its got some nice models

[fossil walrus]

how dare you

[frozen bison]

on the other side there is stupid mods that add unbalanced jetpacks and other useless shit

[rough temple]

but its just stolen ie wire code

[sacred badger]

create 0.6: We are adding clockwork to the base mod so potato has to make a new addon

[rough temple]

[rough yarrow]

cuz I never played it

I saw some videos

it didn't look appealing to me

[rough temple]

62% of released create addons are mcreator

[rough yarrow]

it has a portal gun too

[rough temple]

that should tell you their average quality

[rough yarrow]

yeah exactly

[quartz hazel]

If create hard-depended vs2
That would be a extremely sharp double edge sword

[fossil walrus]

facts

[rough temple]

not stuff additions

crafts and additions

[fossil walrus]

it does?

[rough temple]

is stolen ie wire code

Thats the one for rpm > power conversion

[rough yarrow]

oh so there's a difference

[fossil walrus]

well one of its good feature are the straw

[rough temple]

yes

[abstract vine]

very confusing naming scheme

[sacred badger]

Im hopeful for some of the create addons ive seen in development to be good, not all of them, but hopefully a few at least

[rough yarrow]

hold on

[fossil walrus]

what does it do? LAVA INTO BLAZE BURNERS

[rough yarrow]

didn't Grimmauld make an addon of his own ?

I remember back in 2020 he made a sort of dynamo

[quartz hazel]

Because

1. We get all the create kiddies
2. Aero fucking dies outright

[frozen bison]

create: shit and piss

[quartz hazel]

Create: meth

[rough yarrow]

it's actually a mod

[quartz hazel]

Ik

[rough yarrow]

you sell blue meth to villagers

[fossil walrus]

oh yeah create: broken bad is a good one too

[rough yarrow]

golems beat your ass if they see u

whack

[fossil walrus]

wait do they actually?

[rough yarrow]

pure whack man

[quartz hazel]

We need to be able to give golems meth

[sacred badger]

Create: Bomb Defusal Squad

[rough yarrow]

I think

[fossil walrus]

create: world trade center

[rough yarrow]

There's an addon that wants to make explosive potatoes

Create : More Potatoes

[frozen bison]

what even the fuck is this

[rough yarrow]

@rough temple you'll get brothers

[fossil walrus]

mcreator

[rough temple]

why are there

[sacred badger]

Create: we gave up, have some spoons and gum and do something with them

[lucid ginkgo]

This one is good

[rough temple]

so many mcreator & things addons

[sacred badger]

cause its easy to do ig

[fossil walrus]

create: spoon update

[lucid ginkgo]

Create Misc and Things is good. Especially textures

[rough yarrow]

Dev Wannabees

[sacred badger]

Create: King Bach Update

[fossil walrus]

create: compat

[fossil walrus]

create: we ran out of ideas so we are just porting jenny mod to 1.18

[sacred badger]

finally

[quartz hazel]

I should make a mod called "get real" that displays a crash report when a mcreator mod is added

[frozen bison]

mcreator mods can be good but usually it's stupid mods that doesn't make sense and pretty much useless

[fossil walrus]

finally, inner peace

[sacred badger]

I tried to make my own mod a while back, was trying to learn fabric stuff, but then college came and i havent touched it in months

[quartz hazel]

McreatorIsNotForPublishedMods

[abstract vine]

they’re kind of inherently bad because of mc creator implementing stuff bad

[fossil walrus]

they can be good if the creator knows how to put code into their mod

[quartz hazel]

They can be good
If they don't use procedures

[sacred badger]

McCreator likes to bloat stuff from what ive heard

[fossil walrus]

clockwork lore:

[quartz hazel]

Mc modding discord has a command to detect mcreator mods

[sacred badger]

amazing

[frozen bison]

who even uses all that items

[fossil walrus]

i love it

[fossil walrus]

isnt there like a credits or something when u export the mod?

[quartz hazel]

How to detect MCreator mods (Linux/Mac):

1. Open a terminal to the mods folder
2. Run grep -lFe net/mcreator -e /procedures/ *.jar -> Every mod listed is a MCreator mod.

[fossil walrus]

like in json file that makes mc detect its a mc mod

[rough yarrow]

no need, you feel it in your guts when it's an mcreator mod

[quartz hazel]

Searches for procedures
And for net/mcreator

[frozen bison]

no way guys signed book maker and how does this even relate to create

[rough temple]

securitycraft

bottom text

[quartz hazel]

It is like lightmans tickets
I like them

[abstract vine]

because redstone

and create = redstone

[quartz hazel]

I love lightmans

[rough temple]

youre insane

[rough yarrow]

at this point people are just using create's palettes for clout

[quartz hazel]

I need a create texture pack for lightmans

[quartz hazel]

Basically

[rough yarrow]

Create : Shrek additions

[quartz hazel]

That's what makes a mod a create addon

[rough yarrow]

adds create's palettes

[rough temple]

i use create's palettes because i am

[abstract vine]

and create recipes

[rough temple]

one with create's style

[sacred badger]

I do want to learn to replicate security craft stuff in base create, but without adding in other mods

[abstract vine]

don’t forget that

[frozen bison]

you can do the same thing with pale create and signed books?

[quartz hazel]

I wanna trap people in the spinning room

[rough yarrow]

"to use Create's style one must become Create's style"

[rough temple]

all i know is crate

[rough yarrow]

yo tf is that last thing

[rough temple]

(these were on my desktop smh)

[rough yarrow]

A MECHA ??

[sacred badger]

The only thing i know for create

[abstract vine]

(he doesn’t know)

[rough yarrow]

WHAT

IS THAT

[rough temple]

he doesnt know

[rough yarrow]

POTATO

[undone heart]

lmao

[quartz hazel]

Welcome to Create: Research & Development

[rough temple]

behold

a gif that will load one day

[rough yarrow]

y'all don't forget that I join the VS not 2 weeks ago

[fossil walrus]

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[rough yarrow]

I ain't knowing shit yet about y'alls achievements

[rough yarrow]

nice ass

[rough temple]

research and development

[fossil walrus]

potato is pretty good at modeling lad

[undone heart]

the mech is for Create:R&D

[abstract vine]

potato

make sure to post

[rough temple]

itll be powered by vs2

[quartz hazel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1038344793979371530/1064293207665553470/gravitron.gif

[abstract vine]

the curvy robot

[rough temple]

💀

[abstract vine]

that you gave tits

[frozen bison]

broooo what da helll no waaayaayay

[abstract vine]

of your own free will

[fossil walrus]

now i dont even know if thats mcreator

[rough yarrow]

God I can't wait to get a better PC to run all of that without fear of lag spikes

[frozen bison]

1 million downloads🥹

[quartz hazel]

Just be like me
Render distance=2

[rough yarrow]

yeah, 1.1M downloads. for clout

[rough temple]

there's also Klarkson

from r&d

[fossil walrus]

thats my laptop back in the day

[quartz hazel]

He eats 🥜butter

[abstract vine]

curvy robot

[rough temple]

peanut butter

[fossil walrus]

you need to port new klarkson to custom playermodels mod

[rough yarrow]

PEANUT BUTTAH

[rough temple]

klarkson is not a curvy robot

[abstract vine]

the one you forgot to redesign

[rough temple]

true

[rough temple]

ive been busy with clockwork

[quartz hazel]

That's what I need to add to the modpack

[undone heart]

ooh, haven't seen him in a while, did he get an upgrade recently?(like in the last 3 months)

[rough temple]

ivy will get a redesign when i get to work on r&d again

[quartz hazel]

CPM

[rough temple]

yes

he did

this is mk2

[fossil walrus]

we need custom player models in sundial

[rough yarrow]

potato what can you develop aside from Minecraft stuff

[undone heart]

they're looking pretty sweet ngl

[frozen bison]

me fr

[warm gazelle]

speaking of.... timeline? 🥺

[rough temple]

ivy has not gotten an update yet

yee yee ass hands

💀

[fossil walrus]

who is ivy in rnd lore?

[rough temple]

i might just remake ivy out of klarkson's updated model rather than try to update this travesty

[quartz hazel]

I still have klark v1 model+texture

[fossil walrus]

download link? 😳

jk

[rough yarrow]

why she oxidizing

[fossil walrus]

unless?

[quartz hazel]

From that time I tried making a VRChat avatar

[fossil walrus]

oh my god that would be fucking awesome

[rough temple]

gardener

[quartz hazel]

Works around gardening and water

[rough yarrow]

right

[quartz hazel]

Potato said no because he don't like bending

[fossil walrus]

me with 2 minecrafts open and i forgot the other one was open

[trim turret]

potato are u shure a bisect server could handle this much mods?

[lucid ginkgo]

alright

time to fix origins

[fossil walrus]

oof

[lucid ginkgo]

unless its alredy fixed

[fossil walrus]

also have like 200 mods on one

[quartz hazel]

kill -9 (ps -aux | grep java)

[fossil walrus]

ALSO

did you guys know the creative motor still doesnt speed up when u scroll??

so mid

(on airship)

[rough temple]

fixed in cockwork

[fossil walrus]

yeah cuz cockwork cool 😎

also speaking of cockwork

when is clock gonna move? 😳

[rough yarrow]

no

[trim turret]

ur mom

[rough temple]

i should probablyawhen i get working

we're in the final hours so

they'll be slower

[deep turtle]

Finally someone who agrees

[fossil walrus]

[sacred badger]

itd be funny if you made the clock go backwards for a day

[lucid ginkgo]

pig2 is incorrect

[rough temple]

a lot of heavy work to sift through

[rough yarrow]

speaking of cockwork

[quartz hazel]

when you gonna make tis3d integrations

[rough temple]

oh by the way this is the fuckin sundial chat

sundial wehn

[fossil walrus]

isn't there a hole team tho?

[rough temple]

[rough yarrow]

how will the ships handle item transfer ?

[fossil walrus]

yeh when?

[trim turret]

uh oh

[frozen bison]

WHAT IS THAT

[rough temple]

i am 90% of content work

and fluffy is 90% of mixin work

[frozen bison]

IM DEAD

[fossil walrus]

rf x create lore

[quartz hazel]

Linkus

[trim turret]

electric motor mod

[rough temple]

guh

those models

[rough yarrow]

tf

[fossil walrus]

nice so 2 people working

[frozen bison]

1.7.10 type shit

[rough yarrow]

bro I didn't model in 3 years, yet I still can do better shit than this

[quartz hazel]

I did fix tis3d fully
Now it is your turn

[rough temple]

then i bully triode and ruby for help with math

and thats the team

[fossil walrus]

HEY DONT INSULT MY CHILDHOOD

[rough yarrow]

have some pixelart knowledge before making textures for a mod ffs

[fossil walrus]

niceee

[trim turret]

?

[rough temple]

bet i could make a better motor model in like

5 minutes

[fossil walrus]

cuz you are good at modeling

[rough yarrow]

considering they made cubes with shafts in it, even pig8 could

[rough temple]

[rough yarrow]

no offense pig8

[fossil walrus]

actually i could prob too :trol:

[rough temple]

smh

[trim turret]

its not a full motor tho its a multiblock

[fossil walrus]

was just gonna say that

[frozen bison]

bro just used a lighter brush

[quartz hazel]

I fixed the distance+ back face culling
And infrared now works ship to world ship to ship, ship with in ship, world to ship, world within world

[rough temple]

bro did he actually just

[rough yarrow]

ez

[rough temple]

wobble

on the center

[lucid ginkgo]

Chance cubes?!?!

[rough temple]

L:MAO

[fossil walrus]

i've used the mod before

its stupid

[trim turret]

u do know im not tech right?

[frozen bison]

i think so

[quartz hazel]

Ah

[undone heart]

btw, since this is sundial chat, are there gonna be any specific rules on the server, like no killing the ender dragon right away, or no elytras to make flying origins more unique?

[quartz hazel]

I see purple pig

[rough yarrow]

waiting for the "Create : Project E additions"

[quartz hazel]

I assume tech

[fossil walrus]

"use 17812381 diamond blocks just for a 2 rf gen difference 🤓"

[rough temple]

auegh speaking of sundial

[rough yarrow]

most broken mod of all

[fossil walrus]

o h n o

[rough temple]

can we get back on sundial topic

cause like

yall wanna play the server right

[lucid ginkgo]

wai

[trim turret]

what theme?

[fossil walrus]

yes

[lucid ginkgo]

50 more messages

then we can go back to sundial

[undone heart]

ye

[rough temple]

gotcha

alright gamers

[rough yarrow]

I'll be supporting y'all from the backbench

[lucid ginkgo]

we msut get to 3000 messages

[rough temple]

spit out 50 more messages

[fossil walrus]

i want to become discord mod and play the modpack for like 30000 years

[lucid ginkgo]

owo sempi people

[rough temple]

we will get to 3k messages in a day

[rough yarrow]

my pc is a real potat- CARROT.

[lucid ginkgo]

we are so close SOLDERS

[undone heart]

aight

time

for more

[lucid ginkgo]

do

you

think

[rough temple]

[lucid ginkgo]

your

[undone heart]

messages

[lucid ginkgo]

allowed

to

stop

typing

[trim turret]

potato join vc or u a old head

[lucid ginkgo]

your

not

[rough temple]

[lucid ginkgo]

allowed

to

stop

typing

[rough temple]

boutta join public vc

[frozen bison]

1 hour mod speedrun challenge

[rough temple]

watch me

[lucid ginkgo]

12

12

[rough yarrow]

don't look at me that way, vegetable.

[lucid ginkgo]

3000!

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOooo

[rough temple]

[lucid ginkgo]

alright