⚓・contact-staff

[analog fiber]

@bleak kettle

[minor condor]

which channel?

[crimson owl]

English general

the one with ppl

[minor condor]

@granite spear estás?

ah

[analog fiber]

I used to have role but it was removed

[flat chasm]

🆙 | Placid Placenta leveled up!

[spare sandal]

yes

[analog fiber]

@minor condor i am sorry to trouble but i had a role and my role is gone

i am not from united states i am from guinea equitorial

[granite spear]

sí

estoy

[minor condor]

@analog fiber ah we'll make that role

see above jenny

[granite spear]

how far?

[astral jasper]

Tengo una pregunta. Where do I post an audio recording to request corrections? It is not AOTW related.

[safe nova]

I guess #📝・correct-me-please

[astral jasper]

Okay, thank you. I wasn't sure if it was ok to ask in the server or more appropriate to ask a partner in DM.

[young scarab]

@bold bay Hemos cambiado el nombre de los canales, esperaremos otra semana más

Y si con esto todavía es suficiente. Seguiremos pensando

[reef sparrow]

Noticed that the channel names were changed. only time will tell i guess but i cant imagine itll actually solve the issue. I think short of explicitly calling them "ask about Spanish" and "ask about English" there won't be any meaningful change in the amount of people who post in the wrong channel

[velvet gorge]

that's a very good idea honestly

[bleak kettle]

yeah i feel like there's some inherent ambiguity in the name that's not easy to get rid of

but

[velvet gorge]

makes it clear it's not about which language you ask the question in, but what language you're asking about

[reef sparrow]

yeah

[bleak kettle]

we're trying

[reef sparrow]

If anything

calling it preguntas Español is only going to make it worse

[velvet gorge]

maybe "preguntas de español" and "ask about english" if you wanna keep the language thing going

[reef sparrow]

I think my suggestion might at least have a slightly higher chance of working but I leave it in your capable hands

Yeah maybe mari

Honestly the logical thing would be to do the oppiste

[granite spear]

hmm i think it would be best if you would have ''spanish learning channels'' and have the channel names in english

[reef sparrow]

given that its spanish speakers who ask about english

[granite spear]

and vice versa

[reef sparrow]

and vice versa

So have

ask about spanish and pregunta de inglés

[velvet gorge]

oh true

[granite spear]

spanish learning channels
beginner
advanced
questions

[reef sparrow]

that i think would be quite confusing

[low vortex]

The channels are in the target language for immersion

[reef sparrow]

I know

[granite spear]

i think its better than this personally, because someone who comes here to learn another language is looking at what they understand

[reef sparrow]

well

it might just be a tradeoff between immersion for users and how much work you guys have to do at the end of the day xd

[granite spear]

but i agree if preguntas is not understoond, preguntas español wont be understood either

[low vortex]

I think "ask about English" and "ask about Spanish" might be worth trying

[haughty goblet]

Yea I'm down for that too

[reef sparrow]

i think either that or "ask about Spanish" "pregunta de inglés" might give a slightly higher success rate

[young scarab]

Entonces es

"pregunta-sobre-español"

"ask-about-english"

¿Así queréis?

[granite spear]

yes but vice versa

[boreal smelt]

preguntas-español looks very very off lol

[granite spear]

otherwise we will have the same problem

[young scarab]

¿qué?

[bold bay]

that could work

[young scarab]

cómo que de la otra forma?

por qué debe estar en español lo de inglés?

y lo de inglés en español

[granite spear]

because otherwise we will have the same problem

[young scarab]

por qué

[granite spear]

at least thats what i think

[young scarab]

qué no se entiende de

"ask-about-english"

about es "pregúntame relacionado con esto"

[granite spear]

what do they not understand about questions

[young scarab]

que piensan que deben preguntar

en inglés?

que piensan que este servidor es para aprender español

sabiendo inglés

que no está para aprender inglés

[granite spear]

i mean sure give it a go

[young scarab]

Lo cambiaré a eso, y si va mal, pensamos otra cosa

[torn tide]

Peace guys, if I can run the Spanish lecture 'game' tomrrow 3 pm est as usual, much appreciated. thanks!

[boreal smelt]

i'll set a reminder so that i can open the channels for u and make an announcement

[jaunty breach]

Qué raro, rai me desmuteó, pero no me llegó el mensaje

Ryry lo cambió o pasó algo (?

[dreamy folio]

You're probably the person that I got a bug for saying "I couldn't message this user telling them self mute expired"

Lol

[jaunty breach]

Ohhh lol

[dreamy folio]

Maybe you disabled PMs from non friends

[jaunty breach]

Yep I forgot that I did that

[dreamy folio]

Try messaging the bot

@lime falcon

[jaunty breach]

I cant

Yep

I see

Nvm then

[dreamy folio]

;send 463728003038576640 test

[lime falcon]

I couldn't execute the command. I probably have a bug. This has been reported to Ryan.

[dreamy folio]

darn

[jaunty breach]

Maybe you disabled PMs from non friends
Ahora ya puede xd

Eso es un bug o simplemente es imposible que le llegue un mensaje a un usuario con los pms desabilitados?

[dreamy folio]

yeah if they have pms disabled bots cant message them

[jaunty breach]

Ohh I didnt know that

[edgy cove]

Haha nice new channel names, the simple changes really help

[glossy hatch]

Hi I'm muted in #🙋・welcome

and the other channels

[young scarab]

Ya, @glossy hatch

[glossy hatch]

Ty

[torn tide]

hola amigos, can someone open up da #📚・lectura-text-1 please? thanks!

[young scarab]

Done @torn tide

[torn tide]

thanks

[strange anchor]

hi! does #555480138016620554 have a schedule? Is a new topic posted weekly?

[minor condor]

Roughly! But it depends on the schedule of who’s running it. It’s been on and off for the last few weeks

Thanks for the reminder actually, I’d lost track

We’ll work on getting one going for this week

[strange anchor]

okay, thanks!!

[low vortex]

Shmuel was doing it, but I wonder if he got really busy at work again

[native vessel]

Hey I have a question

Is it okay to swear ?

[bleak kettle]

yes to some extent

overcursing may get you in trouble

[native vessel]

Okay cox it’s just the way I talk sometimes

[flat chasm]

🆙 | mr.ote leveled up!

[crimson owl]

[bleak kettle]

oh ok

[native vessel]

It’s like my way of emphasising the language anyway thanks that’s all

[dreamy folio]

Swearing is ok sometimes, but verbal harassment is not

So like, "shit I forgot to do my homework" is ok

But "bitch get out of my channel" is not, so don't direct curse words at someone

Excessive cursing is also like super meh

"Fucking shit I fucking forgot my homework again" if every couple of messages are like this it'll be like ooook man chill a bit lol

And that's pretty much it

[native vessel]

Yeah I figured

Aight lmao I can’t take anyone seriously if they acc curse after every word they say

[dreamy folio]

Yeah well it's easier to bring up that kind of person as an example now lol

They do exist

It's annoying when we say like "Yeah you can" and then they do that and we say stop and they get like "man wtf you said I could fucking cuss"

¯_(ツ)_/¯

lol

[native vessel]

Yeah I understand don’t worry I ain’t that typpa person

Like I cuss yes but not

Too much

[dreamy folio]

Well it'll probably be ok

Worst case scenario the mods will just tell you to turn it down and you can be like ah ok chill got it

You definitely won't get straight banned

I got a thinking react lol

[native vessel]

Aight dope thanks for the info

[dreamy folio]

Yeah everything'll be ok

[rare geyser]

Hi

Is there any way to get the ability of joining full channels?

Because sometimes I see there are 6 people in a 5 people channel

[young scarab]

Para invitar a otros en un canal lleno, se hace mediante &invite y el nombre de usuario: &invite DonVulpe -Team Bidet-, @rare geyser

Pídeles a la gente de ese canal que te inviten y te podrás unir.

[rare geyser]

Ah, ya entiendo

Gracias!

[astral jasper]

i'm so confused about this server does anyone know where to start for learning spanish?

[rare hedge]

depends what you want to do. if you want to ask a grammar related question #📗・preguntas-lounge then it's that channel

[native vessel]

Okay mods hear me out I have a dilemma I learned my native language and English at the same time and I speak both my native language and English everyday 😆 so which role or category should I be placed under ?

[reef sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-por-que-no-los-dos-yey-gif-15089379

[native vessel]

Trueee

Both it is

[fiery dagger]

Please review meme in #😂・memes

[minor condor]

got it

[exotic pike]

uh idk if this is the correct channel to ask but can someone review and correct what i posted in #📝・correct-me-please

[bold bay]

no, it's not, just be patient and someone will come round to correct you eventually

[exotic pike]

ah ok thx

[crimson owl]

This channel is generally for asking more about server related questions and suggestions and to talk to the mods if you're having issues with something server related.

[blissful prairie]

If I'm allowed to ask server related questions, what is the purpose of these credits that I have on the server?

[sand aspen]

t!profile

[flat chasm]

📝 | Profile card for Loxi

[sand aspen]

you can use them to buy "badges" and the background, that's all xd

[blissful prairie]

Huh. Interesting, thanks for the info.

[low vortex]

You have to go to the tatsumaki site to do it

[blissful prairie]

I don't think I've ever heard of that, to be honest.

[dreamy folio]

it's completely unrelated to this server

and doesn't get you anything in this server

so you can completely ignore it

it's completely unimportant

[native vessel]

Guys any idea why people sound like robots to me in voice chat , when I go to my other server it works perfectly fine

[sand aspen]

Do you live in Europe? The server is located in the US afair

[native vessel]

No not Europe

I love in Asia

[dreamy folio]

Location might not matter

[native vessel]

Yeah it shouldn’t

I talked to a guy in Denmark like 2 days ago and it was totally fine

[safe nova]

might just be ya internet or stn boss

[native vessel]

Maybe

[reef sparrow]

[safe nova]

[young scarab]

@heady hazel This channel is for server-related questions and help requests. If you need to look up a word, use #🤖・general-bot please

[heady hazel]

Oh lo siento

[young scarab]

No pasa nada

[sand aspen]

you can try creating a custom channel and lowering the bitrate.

[low vortex]

It could also be discord. It's fucking up for me right now.

[native vessel]

Oh

So it’s not just me ?

[low vortex]

Well I haven't gone in vc, but the text chats were real laggy

[heady widget]

[sand aspen]

True. You can't even log in sometimes. Or is it just me

[native vessel]

Hmm weird for me it’s just the voice chat everything else is okay

[bleak kettle]

yeah it's offline

[young scarab]

@raven niche Yup

[bleak kettle]

We have to wait for rai to put it online

[minor condor]

it's broken yeah. someone has to poke rai

ye

oh great dmmodbot is down too

._.

[crimson owl]

@dreamy folio help pls

[copper kiln]

I have a couple of questions for the mods: is there a particular "owner" of the server or group of owners? Who originally created it?

[low vortex]

The admins are the group of owners

.inrole admin

[vital ruin]

**List of users in **Admin** role** - 10

meriendas#6650
Abigail#2118
Serene#4677
rorcual#1017
Evil Psychiatric ↯#0553
cat 沈博智#5130
dutchgriffon#2580
Edsel Di Meo#6428
Nilfirith#4586
Dittar#2808

1 / 1

[low vortex]

I don't remember who the original owner was. She was already inactive when I joined

[heady widget]

Nozomi, I believe. Well, someone else created it and gave her the ownership almost straight away, I think

[low vortex]

That sounds familiar

[astral jasper]

For curiosity, who is the owner of the server?

[low vortex]

I always thought there was no other, but people say that's impossible

t!server

[minor condor]

The legends say there is no owner

[low vortex]

What's the tatsu command that shows the prefer

Owner*

[minor condor]

(The server was created a long time ago so I have no idea who the original was)

No idea

[low vortex]

Walt it's t server

Let me try in #bot

[safe nova]

check pins here lol ryry explained it

[low vortex]

oh lol

good ol ryry

the workhorse of the server

the real hero

[sand aspen]

Ryry is la RAE of this server

[astral jasper]

ohh I see

[minor condor]

he's good people

[low vortex]

honestly, ryry's bot Rai is what lets this server function so well without (?) an owner

[minor condor]

ye

[low vortex]

Although he mostly made it for his own language server (the japanese server) and we just stole it

[copper kiln]

wow

this is crazy

i mean not really, just a little

is cat a new mod? I don't recall seeing them before

[safe nova]

f14s been a mod for a while

[copper kiln]

i didn't recognize the name

whoops

[low vortex]

yeah he became a mod at the same time alpaca did (although he doesn't remember it and went inactive like a week later)

[copper kiln]

i got F14 mixed up with Niq (sorry to both of you)

[low vortex]

(alpaca is rorucal)

i mean rorcual

[copper kiln]

So you can be admin without being staff?

[low vortex]

yeah, staff is just our pingable role

[copper kiln]

oooh

wow I'm learning so much about discord

[low vortex]

we have the pingable role that any staff member can have. Then we have channel helpers, helpers, mods, and admins

any of the staff in any of the groups can either have or not have the pingable staff role, depending on their preference

[copper kiln]

I see!

I think it works that there's no owner

it's like a government entity and you guys are the officials

kinda

[low vortex]

yeah exactly

[copper kiln]

or a public company and you are the board of directors

[reef sparrow]

minus the democracy

[copper kiln]

well i didn't say which country the government entity was in 😄

[low vortex]

"government entity" never implied democracy lol

[minor condor]

staff is basically like "active duty"

so we have some people who are maybe busy with school or work, but still check in occasionally to help out

[copper kiln]

ah nice

[minor condor]

or were active in the past but on a break

[fiery dagger]

or they are a conglomerate hive-mind

[safe nova]

or people who don’t put the staff role on because they don’t want randoms to dm them

[reef sparrow]

^^That's why bizzle doesn't have the staff role one

[safe nova]

^

[sand aspen]

They always DM Alex because they think he's a she

[little kelp]

[safe nova]

someone’s posted a link to stn in general delete it pls x

[sand aspen]

@tawdry zinc

[tawdry zinc]

Loxi?

[sand aspen]

can you delete it

[quick cove]

[crimson owl]

I'm 4 hours late but you're probably right @sand aspen

Expert catfisher btw

[urban ermine]

How do i get more roles?

[minor condor]

check #703075065016877066

[strange anchor]

Ehm, I’m not sure where to ask this but how do I get a “learning Spanish” tag that I sometimes see on people’s profiles? Or is that something you make yourself. Haha can you tell I’m a discord noob?

Or I guess how do you get tags in general?

Maybe that’s too broad a question?

[rare hedge]

;iam role

en #🤖・general-bot

[strange anchor]

Ohh okay. Thank you! Does that work for any tag I want to have?

[rare hedge]

if the roles exist in #703075065016877066 , you can just react accordingly

if not then use ;iam. although ;iam will work for all self assignable

or .iam

[strange anchor]

Okay. Thank you!

[rare hedge]

nw

[strange anchor]

okay. so i just reacted with the "spanish beginner", but i'm not sure how to check if it worked haha

ohh wait

i figured it out. wooops

[rare hedge]

click on your own name.

[strange anchor]

oh dear, lo siento i'm not usually this noob-like

[rare hedge]

np

[strange anchor]

do people even say noob anymore 😅

[rare hedge]

dunno

[haughty goblet]

14 is a noob...

Wtf autocorrect

[strange anchor]

ehm, how do i go on page 2 of Nadeku?

oh wait

i think i figured it out

[rare hedge]

do the command urself. if you do nadeko. u can use the reactions accordingly

[strange anchor]

i have to type the command myself to see the pages, right?

ah okay

thanks

[rare hedge]

if rai, then type them each separetly

[strange anchor]

hello! does a person get alerted if their friend request is ignored rather than accepted?

[crimson owl]

I doubt it

[jaunty breach]

Pusieron slowmode en los canales de principiante porque a veces van demasiado rapido para ellos, supongo (?

[crimson owl]

Yes

[jaunty breach]

I see 😔

[sand aspen]

I'm here if someone needs help with the roles 👀

[young scarab]

Como muchos ya habéis visto, se ha activado el Slow Mode durante 5 segundos (es lo mínimo permitido) en los canales #🐸・ꜱᴘ∕principiante y #🐟・ᴇɴ∕beginner. Hemos estado recibiendo quejas y las hemos incluso presenciado. La gente habla demasiado rápido para lo que es realmente un canal para alguien que acaba de aterrizar en el idioma. De esta forma, se podrá crear un ambiente más ajustado a ellos, a su vez, los que poblaban los canales de principiantes con su rapidez, podrán finalmente dar el paso de estar más en avanzado y participar más. Gran parte del tiempo eran conversaciones entre nativos, de esta forma, podrán dar el paso y ganar más conocimiento. Mucha gente también ha mostrado molestia ante la falta de corrección en los canales avanzados, con vuestra alta presencia seguramente esas correcciones ''florezcan'' allí también. Así, conseguimos que todos tengan el entorno de aprendizaje más conveniente posible.

Aceptamos sugerencias, pero que contengan pie y cabeza. Quejas tipo ''Quitad los 5 segundos'' sin un tipo de argumento sólido, quedará totalmente descartado.

Esto es una prueba, dependiendo de cómo transcurra la semana, veremos si todavía hay que ajustar más la velocidad o no.

[crimson owl]

Just to try to translate for people who aren't as good with spanish:

As many of you have already seen, slow mode has been activated for 5 seconds (the minimum allowed) for #🐸・ꜱᴘ∕principiante and #🐟・ᴇɴ∕beginner. We have been receiving complaints from users and have even witnessed them firsthand. People are talking too fast for what is really a channel for someone who has just started out in the language. This will create a more suitable environment for them, and in turn, those who were in beginner channels who were more advanced will finally be able to take the chance to participate more (in the advanced channels). A lot of the time it was conversations between natives, so they will be able to take the opportunity to gain more knowledge. Many people have also been bothered by the lack of corrections in the advanced channels, with your frequent activity, those corrections will surely "flourish" there as well. As a result, everyone will have the most convenient learning environment possible.

We will take suggestions into account, but only if they are reasonable. Complaints like "get rid the 5 second cooldown" without a solid argument are out of the question.
This is a trial. Depending on how the week goes, we'll see if we still need to adjust the time further or not.

I wasn't sure how to translate some things, but I think I got the point across well enough

[reef sparrow]

if your goal is to have a channel for fresh-out-of-duolingo beginners then you can do that but 5 seconds is pretty arbitrary and doesnt actually solve anything. its just long enough to be really annoying but too short to actually slow conversations down, people will just write longer messages and nothing will be solved. id at least have more respect for a really long slowmode which would actually force people to slow down but 5 doesnt really make any sense

[crimson owl]

The only way to go lower than 5 seconds is with bots to my knowledge

[reef sparrow]

I mean have it longer

what does 5s achieve

[crimson owl]

trying to keep it as low as possible to reduce more complaints I'd assume

[reef sparrow]

5 is just an annoyance

[reef sparrow]

but it doesn't stop you from having a convo just like you could before

[crimson owl]

the main thing it reduces is spam I suppose

[reef sparrow]

but thats not the purpose of the slowmode, or is it?

[crimson owl]

since I know I tend to split my message onto multiple lines

I'd say so

[reef sparrow]

well if you just want people to not split their msgs then ig that works

but i dont see that would help someone who's a1

[crimson owl]

I think personally it's more of an issue of someone not understanding vocab or grammar

[reef sparrow]

i assumed the goal was to discourage intermediates from using the channel

[young scarab]

Como ya dijimos arriba, es una prueba, empezamos con lo mínimo.

Con lo mínimo hemos tenido ya quejas de los ''pobladores'' de los principiantes

Me interesa la opinión de la gente que le cuesta, si es demasiado rápido, subimos a 10

[crimson owl]

Ya puedo predecir que si subes el tiempo(?), la gente se quejará más

[reef sparrow]

---

Many people have also been bothered by the lack of corrections in the advanced channels
Also if anyone reading this has this opinion I really hope you remember that this is a free service and the people correcting you are doing it without expecting anything in return. Talking here doesn't entitle you to anything

[haughty goblet]

Thanks nexus

[crimson owl]

I haven't personally seen that, though I don't talk there much

but he's right for sure

[young scarab]

Haber puesto un Slow Down más alto que el mínimo, hubiese desatado el infierno

La gente que reinaba e impedía que el canal fuese de principiantes, estaban como locos simplemente por 5 segundos

[crimson owl]

an I told them all they were overreacting

and*

idk if it's gang mentality, they're joking or what

[young scarab]

El haber puesto más, habría sido todavía peor. El caso es ir moviendo a la gente que es avanzada al chat que les pertenece

[crimson owl]

but hopefully they read your message and understand a bit more

[young scarab]

Y una vez que tengamos caras nuevas, principiantes de verdad y gente que de verdad les dé igual ayudar

Ajustaremos la velocidad para ellos

Podíamos haber puesto incluso 30 segundos, 15 o más

Pero sería una locura y creo que ya hubo demasiado drama por 5 segundos

[crimson owl]

as long as new people replace the ones who feel like they don't want to talk in the beginner channels anymore

[young scarab]

Claro. El caso es que en principiantes estén principiantes, gente avanzada que no les importe ayudar y nativos que también quieran echar una mano

No gente que tiene un nivel alto y sólo les importe divertirse

El problema de esto no es Slow Mode, el problema cae en que la gente por alguna razón, que desgraciadamente desconozco, no entienden que la gente nueva no puede seguir tal ritmo

Un ritmo que ellos mismos se quejaban en su día

Pero veo que eso no lo ven

[crimson owl]

Es porque a la gente le gusta hablar allí y lo tratan como su propia chat, y cuando ocurre un cambio que hace que no puedan hacerlo más, se quejan

en mi opinión

Pero también espero que la gente a la que no le guste el cambio no sea muy numerosa(?)

[young scarab]

Puede haber mil en contra

Mientras vea a un principiante tranquilo y hablando sin miedo

Me quedo con eso

[crimson owl]

Estoy de acuerdo. Espero que la gente entienda tu punto de vista y tu razonamiento

No creo que el cambio sea irrazonable dadas las razones que lo motivan

[astral jasper]

How serious is the problem of #🐟・ᴇɴ∕beginner being unsuitable for beginners because of fast-paced conversations? More often than not the typical #🐟・ᴇɴ∕beginner conversation looks like this:

Person 1: Hi
Person 2: Hi, how are you?
--------3 hours of silence--------
Person 3: Hi
--------3 hours of silence--------
repeat

I feel like these fast-paced conversations occur once every full moon and that they are a nice challenge for beginners to try to keep up with a conversation that doesn't consist of greetings and long periods of silence

[crimson owl]

I do agree that this probably pertains more to #🐸・ꜱᴘ∕principiante

[young scarab]

#🐟・ᴇɴ∕beginner está bien de velocidad hasta que lo invaden los nativos o hay conversaciones dobles

Seguir eso ya no es tan fácil

[astral jasper]

That's what I mean by a challenge once in a while

[crimson owl]

Es mejor ser consistente a través de ambos canales, porque estoy seguro de que alguien eventualmente se quejará de lo contrario

[astral jasper]

They may be beginners but if they are always in their comfort zone they aren't going to improve

[young scarab]

Challenge hasta que se vuelva costumbre hablar así allí

Dudo que alguien que no sepa mucho inglés quiera quedarse a leer una conversación a una velocidad de la luz

Es el problema que puede haber en Slow Mode, tener la misma velocidad puede impedir que no vean la real

[astral jasper]

But those fast-paced conversations are not an usual occurance in #🐟・ᴇɴ∕beginner

[young scarab]

Siento que hay que darles el mismo confort que a los de #🐸・ꜱᴘ∕principiante, pero puedo hablarlo con los demás

Se lo diré, si llegamos a algo te lo digo

[crimson owl]

honestly, by the time you read someone's message and type yours, most of the time the 5 seconds will already almost be up

[astral jasper]

I don't see why you would treat the same way channels that work differently. If these fast-paced conversations don't occur as often in #🐟・ᴇɴ∕beginner as they do in #🐸・ꜱᴘ∕principiante I don't think both channel should receive the same adjustments

[young scarab]

El caso es que no quiero llegar a que ocurra lo mismo que en #🐸・ꜱᴘ∕principiante

No queremos más dramas cuando allí haya gente que no se quiera largar

Pero es buen punto de vista, ya lo he comentado

[crimson owl]

que es lo que dije antes

No quiero ser negativo, pero si alguien se queja de que las cosas no son iguales...

[young scarab]

Lo que pasa con beginner es

Poca gente que aprende inglés, lo usa

Al final, acaba siendo la cueva de los nativos

[crimson owl]

no te equivocas

[young scarab]

No digo que sean su culpa, pero, el día que haya más gente que aprenda inglés

Drama 2 surgirá porque la gente de beginner no se quiere ir

[astral jasper]

Pero es buen punto de vista, ya lo he comentado
What do you mean?

[young scarab]

Que has sugerido algo bien, que tiene sentido y le he preguntado a los demás mods si podemos quitar el Slow Mode de #🐟・ᴇɴ∕beginner

[astral jasper]

I see

[young scarab]

El caso es, ajustamos las cosas a la realidad y nos jugamos a que haya drama en #🐟・ᴇɴ∕beginner cuando mucha gente quiera aprender, o tratamos a todos por igual y evitamos drama

Hemos optado por la segunda, por ahora

Pero no veo el porqué no hacer la primera

[astral jasper]

But will there really be any problems when more beginners will want to learn and use the beginner channel?

[crimson owl]

if more people talk, it may be like how #🐸・ꜱᴘ∕principiante , potentially

is now*

[young scarab]

Acabaría en #🐸・ꜱᴘ∕principiante

Siento que es mejor evitar ese problema, que dejar que pase

[dreamy folio]

Five seconds is very short. I don’t think it’s a problem in either channel. If it slows the channel down by 5% then it’ll help beginners a tiny bit. Just use the edit function often.

[astral jasper]

I'm not really aware of the situation in principiante. Is it really that bad?

[young scarab]

Por desgracia, sí

[crimson owl]

sometimes yes

[young scarab]

Ya se intentó por activa y pasiva que se movieran, entendieran la situación y no hacían caso

Hay que hacerlo por las malas

Más que principiantes, parece general-2

[astral jasper]

Five seconds is very short. I don’t think it’s a problem in either channel. If it slows the channel down by 5% then it’ll help beginners a tiny bit. Just use the edit function often.
It's not really a problem, but I saw Wolf say that it could be increased to more so that's why I commented

[young scarab]

Slow Mode los queremos en los dos lados

Pero dependiendo, principiantes puede estar con 10 segundos y beginner con 5

[reef sparrow]

Idk I think there are two primary issues that you guys have (and after this i promise ill shut up)

[astral jasper]

Siento que es mejor evitar ese problema, que dejar que pase
I agree that prevention is better than cure, but I don't think right now slow mode would change anything in beginner, so I don't see a particular reason to introduce something that there is no necessity for

[young scarab]

No porque principiantes tenga 10 segundos, beginner tendrá 10

Puede variar. No veo la razón de ponerles el mismo tiempo

No veo la necesidad de poner 10 en un canal casi muerto

[astral jasper]

I see. My concern was that it would be increased

[young scarab]

Pero sí en uno que hablan 10 a la vez

[reef sparrow]

1. The entire point of discord is for people to talk, by trying to force people who want to talk not to, you're really fighting against the current. The idea of wanting people to talk less seems counterintuitive given the purpose of discord as an app for communication. I guess you want the beginner channels to be more like a classroom or something but you're undoing a year+ of norms with regards to what that channel is used for which is obviously not gonna go over without a hitch overnight.

2. I have a feeling (and I may be wrong) that you guys don't have a clear idea of what you want both channels to be. This server is huge and has people of all levels. By saying that principiante is for people at an A1 level you're essentially forcing A2-C2 + natives into avanzado, which is something many might not be comfortable with. I think you need a very clear idea of what you want the server to be, what purpose each channel has/who it's for and only then decide what the best method is of effectuating that because at the moment it just feels pretty confused

[crimson owl]

Point 2 is what I was thinking too

It's really hard to balance things given the wide gap of skill range

unless you restrict channels by roles

or smth

but even then that would likely cause issues

[reef sparrow]

I have no idea what thought process / discussion went into your decision but you guys need a very clear idea of the purpose of your channels, otherwise you're just shooting in the dark really

[crimson owl]

I don't think there's an easy fix that solves absolutely everything, unfortunately

[reef sparrow]

That's for sure

[young scarab]

Sinceramente, por más claro que se hable, no llega a todas las entradas de la gente

Principiantes, tiene un nombre. Un nombre que se supone que todos debemos entender qué es

''Nuevo en el idioma''; ten paciencia

Paciencia en ese canal hay 0

[crimson owl]

there's other channels for people to speak in either language unrestricted though

[young scarab]

Y cuando pides paciencia, poca empatía hay

[crimson owl]

which I think should be brought up

aka general

[reef sparrow]

= general

[young scarab]

Y da igual cuántas reglas, cuántas veces discutamos y cuántas cosas se pongan

[crimson owl]

sure it's not fully in one language, but you can still have conversations

[young scarab]

Gran parte del cambio está en el comprender de la gente

Si la gente entendiese realmente lo difícil que es estar rodeado de gente que habla como la luz

Quizás, no harían falta reglas, ni Slows ni nada

5 segundos ayer desató la furia en mucha gente, se pasaron toda la tarde quejándose de que su zona de confort había sido ''cambiada''

Sólo eso importaba, su confort y no los demás

Cuando eres nuevo en algo, lo único en lo que piensas es en andar y no correr. En estar en un ambiente seguro e ir a tu pequeño ritmo

Estar en esos canales como principiantes, lo único que te da ganas es de hacer clic e irte del servidor

Llevo tiempo aquí y veo las mismas caras en ese canal, se está espantando a la gente

De todos los canales que existen en este servidor, sólo hay 1 que debería ser paz y seguridad

Pero parece que eso sólo desata enfados por parte de muchos

[low vortex]

I'd like to just share from the point of view of somebody who is no longer a mod and is therefore inconvenienced just like rest of you

[safe nova]

ur one of us now

[low vortex]

1. I have never has the 5 second time stop me, so I have a hard time believing it impedes actual conversation

[safe nova]

one of the peasants

[low vortex]

This is what a conversation sometimes looks like in principiante:

Person A: cual películas te gusta? (ie a statement with many issues)
Person B: emoji
Perdón C; emoji
PersonB: emoji
Person C: emoji
Person B: holuwu
Person C: holiwis (all of this posted I. The matter of two seconds)

Person A now does not get acknowledged or receive any corrections

Honestly I'm surprised people complain that avanzado doesn't have corrections when all I generally see in principiante was people spamming emojis and stuff and all real attempts at practicing the language were buried

[dreamy folio]

Yeah I don’t see any problem with a five second delay

[low vortex]

When you take the time to actually write a sentence that is conversationally appropriate instead of just spamming, I really can't see that you'll be stopped that much

[dreamy folio]

We have a permanent 15 second delay in our version of #💡・serious-topics on another server and at first people complained because people don’t like change but now no one complains anymore because everyone is used to it and the channel is better

If you need to add something, just edit your previous message

Besides, this last addition (and this one) both took me more than five seconds to type for each one

So you don’t even really need to edit

People just don’t like change, sorry this is kind of a rude thing to say after the long conversation above, but I think five seconds will help the channel, and I think if we get used to it it’ll be a positive benefit

[sand aspen]

I do try to help even if a mistake is made a couple of minutes before I go online. There are some natives and advanced learners that do provide help in that channel, and #🦎・ꜱᴘ∕avanzado is more loose in this regard.

Also, we can't blame other learners since they might not feel comfortable correcting others

[low vortex]

Also from my experience, while 98% of the server doesn't care one way or the other, for every vocal dissenter who is complaining, there is a beginner speaker saying to themselves "well, maybe I'll give the channel one more try" after their first five attempts at having a conversation in the channel were buried under non-conversational spam

[copper kiln]

I like that. It's good to give people a space to actually practice the language

[crimson owl]

I think people saying things like "I'm never talking there again" despite this not being a major change are overreacting and not willing to give things a chance. To me, if anything, the only annoyances are not being able to immediately put an emoji on a new line so it's bigger, and not being able to split up my thoughts into multiple messages like I usually do, but I can learn to get used to it.

[minor condor]

@rose canyon do you wanna talk about it here?

or through modbot if you like

[frank forum]

¿Podrían pasar la imagen original de este emoji?

[bleak kettle]

right click on it, and press "open link"

and the image will open on your browser

[frank forum]

God bless you.

[young scarab]

.se

[vital ruin]

Name: Link: https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/716000519168065586.png

[young scarab]

@frank forum

[frank forum]

Oh.

Gracias. -w-

[fiery dagger]

oh i thought the face was smoking like burning...

[frank forum]

Hahaha

[solar ember]

ey

[crimson owl]

do you have a question

?

[astral jasper]

ey

[foggy mauve]

??

[terse mural]

I just got this spam message

[dreamy folio]

I think technically he talked to the mods first and is kind of working with them, but I agree that looks really spammy

It's probably worth making it look way less spammy

Looks like "copy paste send to everyone"

[crimson owl]

Jn's been pretty active here for awhile, so I'm pretty sure it's not spam

[low vortex]

I'll talk to him again. I spoke with him about it a few days ago

[terse mural]

I mean, I find it odd if you come to me with a "team" thing behaviour but ig if it's accepted I don't have much to do.

[low vortex]

He doesn't speak English very well. You have to read between the lines a bit

[visual meteor]

Same here

[deft dust]

Ive talked to a bunch of other peoole that have recieved similar messages from this guy

[low vortex]

I've talked to him three times about messaging random people and even put a pin in #👫・language-exchange with his info just so he'll stop. If he messaged anybody else randomly, let us know

[urban edge]

Mad a mod

Msg not maf

Mad

[low vortex]

What?

[reef sparrow]

I agree

[obtuse dawn]

Hey Guys

How do I play music in the music channel?

and do I need permissions?

[low vortex]

No, you just have to use the bot

Each bot has slightly different commands but there's a short guide for them in #596718916256923649

And you can always get all the commands with each bot's help command or by just googling the bot and looking on their webpage

[obtuse dawn]

thanks

[astral jasper]

Hey sorry si no se pregunta aqui pero ¿como desactivo el sonido de cuando escriben en el chat? Suena cada vez que alguien publica algo a pesar de que no usan el @ conmigo

[granite spear]

haz click aqui

right click

and click on silenciar servidor

[astral jasper]

Ok muchas gracias!

[little kelp]

pon que sea solo por menciones

por cierto que ese debería de ser el que esté por defecto

Y pon eso mejor, si silencias el servidor nunca te notificará

[steep swan]

Hola buenas, cómo puedo crear un VC desde el móvil en este servidor?

Gracias

[low vortex]

Mira este post en #596718916256923649 #596718916256923649 message

Pregúntame si todavía tienes alguna duda

[steep swan]

Cómo hago para meter al bot de musica a mi canal de voz?

[low vortex]

maybe you can just invite it

&inv @Groovy#7254 ?

[steep swan]

ok thanks

[low vortex]

si no funciona, dejanos saber y quizas alguien que sepa mas de los bots contestará lol

[steep swan]

Sí lo logré

gracias

[jaunty dove]

individual misspelled in rules, hope this was the right channel for this

[minor condor]

ah religion instead of religious?

[young scarab]

Gracias, @jaunty dove

[rancid bloom]

no he literally means the word individual

[minor condor]

ohh

[sand aspen]

Gracias

[young scarab]

Ya está cambiado, gracias de nuevo

[sand aspen]

Oso hermoso

[thorny hedge]

Hola

[rare hedge]

@thorny hedge Do you need any assistance?

[thorny hedge]

Not at the moment I am just new to the app

[flat chasm]

🆙 | foodislife leveled up!

[rare hedge]

Cool. I think you just figured out the difference between #🐟・ᴇɴ∕beginner and #🐸・ꜱᴘ∕principiante .

yeah, this channel is for asking about server related questions. grammar questions etc... go to #📗・preguntas-lounge

[hot harness]

any mods online?

[deft dust]

<@&642782671109488641>

[quick cove]

any mods

[hot harness]

please ban tisico

[quick cove]

<@&642782671109488641>

[tawdry zinc]

👀

[hot harness]

he's streaming porn

[crimson owl]

Nil

[quick cove]

A guy is streaming porn

[hot harness]

and asking girls for sexual favors

[deft dust]

guy was streaming porn in the channel

[crimson owl]

I can't do anything so

[quick cove]

and asking girls for sexual favors
this too

[crimson owl]

Thanks guys

[quick cove]

Helpu

[crimson owl]

Nil or laurens has to take care of it

[deft dust]

tisico#3847

[crimson owl]

Alright he's gone

[deft dust]

thanks

[reef sparrow]

I banned him don't worry guys

[quick cove]

THank you

C:

[crimson owl]

Nexus best mod

[tawdry zinc]

Gracias

[hot harness]

a vos

[crimson owl]

Though I have the evidence to prove you didn't

[reef sparrow]

any evidence you think you have is fake

[tawdry zinc]

[crimson owl]

The fact that this has happened before makes me think it was an alt

But

[haughty goblet]

Oof

Sorry guys... Was just switching over my machine at work 😅😅

[tawdry zinc]

No os preocupéis, Nil está 😛

[crimson owl]

La supervisé

[tawdry skiff]

[tawdry zinc]

Qué equipo somos

[quick cove]

Qué equipo somos

[crimson owl]

#🤖・general-bot @quick cove

[quick cove]

my b

[heady widget]

Qué equipo somos
¡Linces!

[south ivy]

.lsar

[vital ruin]

**There are 137 self assignable roles**

⟪Group 1⟫
‌‌ Lets talk in English
‌‌ WOTD
‌‌ 🔥Hardcore🔥
‌‌ TOTW
‌‌ English Exercises
‌‌ AOTW
‌‌ Bookclub

			 ⟪**Group 2**⟫

‌‌ Cats
‌‌ Dogs
‌‌ Tabletop
‌‌ Artist
‌‌ Programmer
‌‌ Heritage Speaker

			 ⟪**Group 3**⟫

‌‌ United States
‌‌ Canada
‌‌ Mexico
‌‌ Chile
‌‌ Argentina
‌‌ Brazil
‌‌ El Salvador

2 / 7

[safe nova]

[reef sparrow]

nice

[sand aspen]

can you go to #🤖・general-bot ?

suggestion: rename #🤖・general-bot to #hell

[south ivy]

Brazil

Wtf kkkk

How set it?

[crimson owl]

You have to type ;iam brazil

[south ivy]

;iam brazil

[lime falcon]

extan#0383 You now have the Brazil role.

[south ivy]

Ty xD

.lsar

[vital ruin]

**There are 137 self assignable roles**

⟪Group 1⟫
‌‌ Lets talk in English
‌‌ WOTD
‌‌ 🔥Hardcore🔥
‌‌ TOTW
‌‌ English Exercises
‌‌ AOTW
‌‌ Bookclub

			 ⟪**Group 2**⟫

‌‌ Cats
‌‌ Dogs
‌‌ Tabletop
‌‌ Artist
‌‌ Programmer
‌‌ Heritage Speaker

			 ⟪**Group 3**⟫

‌‌ United States
‌‌ Canada
‌‌ Mexico
‌‌ Chile
‌‌ Argentina
‌‌ Brazil
‌‌ El Salvador

2 / 7

[sand aspen]

I told you to go to bot ;-;

[crimson owl]

Yeah sorry

Please do this in #🤖・general-bot @south ivy

[sand aspen]

now I'm Brazil too

[astral jasper]

¿Cómo veo la lista de preguntas abiertas y si está abierta como cierro una? Gracias

[reef sparrow]

con ;q list ves la lista, con ;q a cierras tus preguntas

[astral jasper]

Grácias Nexus

[young scarab]

... questiones

[vital ruin]

#1128150 📣 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/284045742652260352/711986006588653638/unknown.png

[young scarab]

@astral jasper

[blissful prairie]

So are the Ask(County) roles just kind of a sign showing that you welcome questions or something? ¿Hay un lugar para hacer preguntas sobre paises?

[low vortex]

puedes dar ping a esos roles si quieres saber si alguna palabra es comun en el lugar o otra cosa relacionada especificamente con la region

[blissful prairie]

Bueno. Gracias

[jaunty breach]

u otra* 👀

[silver mauve]

i'm triggered af by the last meme posted

but maybe i'm missing something

@kind river y'all are needed in #😂・memes

[sand aspen]

@rare hedge

the bot is is used to DM it, if you want to ping the staff, use @\Staff (ping for server help) next time :p

[silver mauve]

oh thanks. a lot has changed lol

[sand aspen]

Thank you for the report

[astral jasper]

Hi mods when will remove the slowmode in the beginner English channel

[crimson owl]

If no one has any significant and reasonable complaints or solutions to fix the problem that led to slowmode being enabled in the first place, it probably won't be removed

[tawdry zinc]

Todavía evaluamos las consecuencias de ese modo pausado y aún no hemos llegado a un acuerdo definitivo.

[astral jasper]

I'm back, and that's a very good reason

[crimson owl]

That too lol

[urban sand]

I like the slowmode

[astral jasper]

Why don't you put slowmode in general chat it's more active than others

[sand aspen]

Does it bother you? 5 seconds isn't that bad in my opinion

[crimson owl]

Because the point of the beginner channels is to provide a welcoming space for people who may not know a language as well to learn and practice

[sand aspen]

The purpose is to kind of slow down the conversation so the beginners have time to think and reply

[crimson owl]

Sometimes those channels go too fast and people get overwhelmed.

And they've complained about it in the past

[astral jasper]

ok

[crimson owl]

So that's the main reason why it's in place. Though I still think it's more of an issue in #🐸・ꜱᴘ∕principiante than #🐟・ᴇɴ∕beginner , but that's a different conversation

[sand aspen]

you can always go to #🐬・ᴇɴ∕advanced your English is great

and you'll learn some new vocabulary

[astral jasper]

ok

[low vortex]

I like the slowmode, too

I actually want to visit principiante now

[glossy hatch]

I liked it more before the slow 🤷‍♂️ but it's fine I guess

[crimson owl]

What made it better in your opinion?

What makes it worse now?

If you don't mind

Or do you not like it just to not like it because it's there?

@glossy hatch

I'm just curious lol

Because I think it impacts little to nothing in terms of conversation flow

[deft dust]

Annoying orange#2700 is going around channels playing text to speech in the voice channels

[flat chasm]

🆙 | turtle leveled up!

[deft dust]

<@&642782671109488641>

[glossy hatch]

@crimson owl Despite sucking at spanish in the past I was never bothered or intimidated by the speed, and now it's a little annoying because I'm spamming space for 4 seconds waiting to send my message

[crimson owl]

That's my only complaint to but it doesn't happen that often for it to annoy me

That and emotes

You don't suck

[glossy hatch]

I did

The quick pace of the channel is what makes it exciting/engaging

[young scarab]

Thanks, @deft dust

[deft dust]

thank u for taking care of it

[crimson owl]

Sure, but what if someone finds it overwhelming and hard to talk in because of multiple of those fast paced convos going on at once that could easily fit in #🦎・ꜱᴘ∕avanzado

Where there are no restrictions at all

[glossy hatch]

Being able to have those fast-paced conversations would make #🦎・ꜱᴘ∕avanzado less intimidating in the first place

[crimson owl]

Fair enough

I still have yet to see the slowmode have a super drastic downside though imo

[glossy hatch]

True, but who has said anything positive about it

[young scarab]

Ni siquiera con Slow Mode la gente era incapaz de ir a #🦎・ꜱᴘ∕avanzado.

Así que, creo que 5 segundos no ha cambiado que ahora la gente le tenga menos miedo

Si cuando empiezas a aprender algo a un ritmo de la velocidad de la luz, te aseguro que ni siquiera habrá #🐸・ꜱᴘ∕principiante ni menos #🦎・ꜱᴘ∕avanzado

Primero hay que ir lento y una vez que tienes un ritmo normal, vas a más. Tener que acostumbrar a la gente a correr antes de andar ya has visto en qué ha terminado

En quejas de que era imposible hablar

[glossy hatch]

Desde el principio de estar aquí nunca quise un entorno así de lento, pero para gustos los colores

[young scarab]

¿Te gusta que vayan rápido?

[glossy hatch]

sí

[young scarab]

¿Que escriban 10 personas a la vez y no entiendas nada?

[glossy hatch]

Cómo que aprendo sin eso

[young scarab]

¿Que para cuando terminas de escribir cambiaron de conversación?

[glossy hatch]

Nunca ha habido 10 personas a la vez en el canal

[young scarab]

Así no se aprende. Eso, lo único que hace es darte cuenta de que eres un inútil y de que tendrás que esperar más tiempo para participar

[crimson owl]

I've been in an actual spanish server before and that's a problem I had

sure it can be beneficial but it is hard to keep up

[glossy hatch]

Si no participas en convos rápidas cómo que aprendes a participar en una convo normal

[young scarab]

Te quedas mirando la pantalla como todos hablan y tú no puedes decir nada

¿Cómo has aprendido a correr?

[crimson owl]

but when you know next to nothing, what are you supposed to do in that case?

[young scarab]

¿Ya de bebé te pusiste a dos piernas?

[crimson owl]

because there are people who are in that boat

[young scarab]

¿O no gateaste?

[glossy hatch]

Utilizar un traductor, supongo, alex

[crimson owl]

[young scarab]

Esa no es la solución

La solución es darles un pequeño hogar donde puedan hablar relajados

[glossy hatch]

incluso cuando mi español apestaba odiaba las convos lentas
sin velocidad, no queda mucho por disfrutar de la conversación

Es cansón

[young scarab]

Eso es gusto tuyo

No es lo que necesita alguien para estar calmado y poder escribir un poco

Alguien que acaba de aterrizar, quiere que se tengan paciencia, pueda darle tiempo para leer, escribir sin prisa

Y no tener a 5 personas hablando como la luz

Lo que hará es ponerse triste y se irá

[bold bay]

i don't see why you's can't all migrate to avanzado if you want it to be fast

[young scarab]

Están acostumbrados a estar ahí

[glossy hatch]

porque tami y agus me odian

[young scarab]

No sé por qué no aprovechais la oportunidad

[bold bay]

it's dead half the time lol

[young scarab]

Siempre se dice que #🦎・ꜱᴘ∕avanzado es difícil

[crimson owl]

like me

[young scarab]

Tomad esta oportunidad para mezclarlos con los nativos

[bold bay]

should i be concerned now alex

[young scarab]

Y así tener diversidad

Y no esconderos en #🐸・ꜱᴘ∕principiante

[glossy hatch]

Pero ahí no está la gente con quien hablo xd

[young scarab]

¿Llámalos?

[crimson owl]

nah

'twas a joke

[bold bay]

'you's' plural, pack all your things and move there

[young scarab]

Debes de entender, que aparte de que casi todos nos conocemos y divertimos

Somos un servidor para aprender y tenemos que darles a todos el sitio que merecen

[glossy hatch]

Entonces por qué tomó tanto para activar el slowmode si es tan crucial

[young scarab]

La gente que es nueva es la que más os suele aburrir sólo porque no tiene nivel

Y aburre, y no gusta, y hay que tener paciencia

Nadie os obliga a que los ayudéis, pero tampoco intentéis quitarles el único sitio que tienen

[crimson owl]

from what I've seen, even before this change, although it's unfortunate, a lot of conversations with people who are very new to the language don't go very far

[young scarab]

Porque esperamos a que haya una oleada de quejas

[bold bay]

probably cause they knew it was risky and that everyone would bitch about it, as is reality now

[young scarab]

Si viene uno random, pues ...

[glossy hatch]

Por eso dejan el servidor tantos principiantes

Ya veo lo que dices

[crimson owl]

though tbf ik some people are just here because they're in school

and want hw help

[glossy hatch]

True

and then they leave

Y les ayudo a hacer su tarea porque soy un pan comido

[bold bay]

those people go to the question channels once and then probably leave lol

they're not the ones in principiante

[young scarab]

Lo que pasa, es que estáis acostumbrados a escribir vuestros mensajes en varias líneas y los 5 segundos no os dejan

Aparte de eso, no sé qué quejas serias ha habido al respecto

[crimson owl]

tru

[glossy hatch]

No es que odie el cambio, sólo quería saber el porqué de todo esto

[crimson owl]

that's my only complaint

[young scarab]

Por ahora, no he presenciado ni una queja ''mala''

[crimson owl]

because I split up my messages

and to put emotes on the next line so they're big

but those are minor

[young scarab]

El porqué es simple, hacer de #🐸・ꜱᴘ∕principiante un canal para la gente que le cuesta

Hubo quejas y se puso sobre la mesa

[bold bay]

tbf azada.. you used to hog principiante like crazy and you and a bunch of others caused a shitstorm like everyday, it was mostly emojis and shitposting and it put most people (including me) off talking there entirely, so you really don't have a say in the way principiante is gonna be

[young scarab]

Se tomó medidas y está en proceso de prueba

[glossy hatch]

I wasn't really aiming for change

you can't say that I'm responsible for all this

[bold bay]

just sayin you're a troublesome one you

[glossy hatch]

well maybe

[boreal smelt]

those are probs my only complaints. I don't like not being able to split up messages and not being able to put bigger emotes down in a timely manner and sure call it lazy or stupid or whatever, but eh, i just decided to chat more in #🦎・ꜱᴘ∕avanzado so i suppose its a better for me in the end. I need to learn more slang and informal spanish. then again, i havent been as active as i used to be tho i probs will be now.

[crimson owl]

and that's still one of my fears, that people move away from the channel

leaving it dead potentially

though ofc not everyone will care

[bold bay]

how about a new channel entirely, mega beginner

[young scarab]

No

[glossy hatch]

lmao

[bold bay]

[crimson owl]

super ultra mega semi advanced beginner with a hint of advanced

[glossy hatch]

#Español_intermedio is an equally bad idea since it would just divide up people even more

[crimson owl]

plus it depends on what your definition of intermediate is

[young scarab]

El plan es dejar #🐸・ꜱᴘ∕principiante para la gente nueva o que le cuesta y #🦎・ꜱᴘ∕avanzado dejar ya de ser la casa del terror y hacerlo un ambiente más diverso; nativos, gente intermedia y avanzada

Ese es el plan

Antes, la gente intermedia y avanzada se escondía en #🐸・ꜱᴘ∕principiante asustando a los nuevos y #🦎・ꜱᴘ∕avanzado era el chat de los nativos

[boreal smelt]

hmm, avanzado has always been a fucking haunted house for me hahaha, idk, its always intimidated me. i know i can do it, but its just sometimes

[crimson owl]

👻

[glossy hatch]

For me it's more that the people that frequent that channel hate me

[young scarab]

Claro, pero, así os sentisteis cuando eráis nuevos en #🐸・ꜱᴘ∕principiante

Seguro teníais pánico, pero ahora es como un canal normal

Si hacéis lo mismo con #🦎・ꜱᴘ∕avanzado, ya no queda nada

[bold bay]

it was only scary cause natives were the only ones that talked there lol

[young scarab]

Claro

Si vais en grupo entre vosotros y os mezcláis, veréis que no da tanto miedo y aprendéis una tonelada de cosas

Hacemos las cosas por vuestro bien, aunque a veces os cueste verlo

[crimson owl]

probably how #🐬・ᴇɴ∕advanced felt for spanish speakers

[young scarab]

No hacemos cambios por ''joder''

Los hacemos para que todos os sintais cómodos y tranquilos

[bold bay]

advanced used to be shitpost haven and now it's dead most of the time lol damn have things changed

[glossy hatch]

it was the UK chat

[young scarab]

Aunque, a veces nos quedamos sin cuello por algunos 😄

[boreal smelt]

well, i think they just ended up going to #☕・general

[bold bay]

mhm shit i even forgot about that

[glossy hatch]

and now all of the shitposting is in #☕・general

[bold bay]

i complained about the slow mode only on the first day but now i dont mind it

[glossy hatch]

ya me ha quedado claro tu razonamiento, Renzo, y me di cuenta de que no me molesta el slowmode lol

[bold bay]

they got over it eventually they just had to be dramatic about it first lmao

[young scarab]

Quisiéramos de corazón poder arreglar todo lo que no os gusta, pero a veces es imposible

Sólo quisiera que eso se trasmitiera

[blissful prairie]

So what is the server etiquette in a situation like right now when there are 14/25 people in the Spanish General HD channel. Is it kind of a jump in if you feel comfortable, or are those usually groups that everyone already knows each other?

[haughty goblet]

you can jump into any voice channel you want man

or you can start a new one if you feel like it

if you are new then just jump around various voice channels to see if you find a group that you are comfortable

[blissful prairie]

¡Gracias!

[low vortex]

porque tami y agus me odian
@glossy hatch nobody hates you

[glossy hatch]

Ok

[glossy hatch]

Cuánto cupo hay para gifs?

[young scarab]

230 sitios disponibles para poner Emoji Gifs, @glossy hatch

[glossy hatch]

nais

[young scarab]

¿Cuál te pongo?

[glossy hatch]

Si no es molestia, agrega

Llámalo jevil

[young scarab]

Mándame los que quieras

¿Hay alguno más que quieras, @glossy hatch?

[glossy hatch]

jevilcrazy

[granite spear]

that one

if possible

[low vortex]

is that a gif niq?

[granite spear]

no just an emoji

[low vortex]

oh

[sand aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/722051624490762291.png

[young scarab]

No hay sitios disponibles si es emoji

[sand aspen]

but we have a lot of those

[glossy hatch]

Hay unos emojis que nunca se han usado

[bleak kettle]

owO

[young scarab]

Habría que mirar cuáles no se usan

;emojis -a

[lime falcon]

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[glossy hatch]

una vez...

[sand aspen]

noanime*

[low vortex]

yeah delete that potato snuggle lol

[young scarab]

¿Cuál el de potato, Ama?

[glossy hatch]

but it's a gif

[low vortex]

even the gifs got more

that one is a gif?

oh

[glossy hatch]

the one with one use? yes

[young scarab]

El último es un gif, sí

[low vortex]

it wasn't moving at all when I put my cursor on it

[glossy hatch]

remove

[sand aspen]

qué es eso, por cierto

[tawdry zinc]

Discutiendo sobre patatas.. por qué no 🏃🏼‍♂️

[glossy hatch]

pepejam sansvibing

[young scarab]

[glossy hatch]

yesss

[young scarab]

He sacrificado un emoji mío por éste

[glossy hatch]

cuál

[young scarab]

¿Algo más? 😄

[glossy hatch]

[young scarab]

¿Ése?

[glossy hatch]

peepohacker

sí

[tawdry zinc]

[young scarab]

Ya está

[glossy hatch]

<3

[leaden pollen]

Hey, the advanced spanish text channel is mispelled, it says abrazado (to hug), haha

[sand aspen]

[safe nova]

p sure that’s a joke pal

[novel pollen]

^

[deft dust]

I want to bring up the idea of adding pronouns as roles again

I think this overall has a postive outcome because if more people use the roles it makes it easier for those that are trans

Because yes, you can add pronouns in your name or discord status but that just makes more people assume that you are trans and this can lead to something worse

I remember hearing that people should just not assume what a persons pronouns are, which is true but in reality that is always going to happen

Also there is no harm in doing this at all, if anything the people that are against lgbt+ people will be exposed and we can get rid of these type of people

[steep flicker]

I left the server and joined again, this got rid of my server mute. Ignore any messages I may have sent to you guys, sorry!

[low vortex]

Which pronouns should be added?

And how do you justify where to draw the line if somebody comes in and says their pronoun is something that nobody in the entire world has ever used before?

Do we only choose English pronouns?

What about xi or whatever that one is? It's relatively well accepted but it's definitely not English

How would we handle "I want you to put in such-and-such pronoun. It's common in my country but it's slightly different from "she" in English because it can also apply in X case"

I think that if we can solve these types of problems, the mod team might be willing to do it

But I remember from the last time it was brought up that it ended up being an extremely complicated issue

[chrome tundra]

Por vs Para

I will buy the shoes for you is

Voy a comprar los zapatos para ti

?

[dreamy folio]

Wait time out

Maybe you're in the wrong channel

[chrome tundra]

I am asking a mod?

[dreamy folio]

About the difference between por and para?

[glossy hatch]

Go to #📗・preguntas-lounge

[chrome tundra]

O

My bad

[dreamy folio]

This channel is for asking questions about server administration etc

[chrome tundra]

Okay, My bad

[dreamy folio]

It's ok!

[naive iron]

Hi, uhm... There is one user sending links of a shared drive to do ¿language exchange? and trying to move people to his own "language exchange server". I don't know if this is allowed, so I comment this here.

[dreamy folio]

Thanks, the mods will take care of it

[naive iron]

Thanks, the user is #04 Prince Jn

[astral jasper]

Hello guys.

People are spamming the ping in the games channel...

[young scarab]

@astral jasper Hecho, gracias

[astral jasper]

Thank you.

[cerulean edge]

hey! I am wondering why I can't talk in any channels

I think I got banned in crossfire - I was @-ing the guy who was spamming us

in hopes he would stop

[minor condor]

I unmuted you

[cerulean edge]

ty

sorry for that

[minor condor]

no worries

[little kelp]

[sand aspen]

@little kelp

[deft dust]

@low vortex i think putting they/them he/him and she/her should be fine

To be honest I've never encountered a single person that uses a pronoun like xi

and didn't also use another pronoun

I know that they/them doesn't really work in Spanish but if a person does go buy they/them and only those pronouns you can them what they would want to be referred to as in Spanish

Maybe also adding another role that says "other pronoun" might suffice?

If you do encounter such a situation

[minor condor]

@little kelp we got em

nothing to see here

[warped nymph]

Hey mods - don't want to do anything wrong so thought I'd ask first :) I'm working in developing a Spanish learning app... Would I be able to give access to users here for free? The idea being they just give feedback to improve it.

No issues if not! Just a thought I had :)

[tawdry zinc]

@warped nymph We'll discuss it with the moderation team

[warped nymph]

@tawdry zinc thanks :)

[tawdry skiff]

sounds cool that I could become a beta tester for something that could become big one day

[tawdry zinc]

@warped nymph Can we take a look at this app you are developing already?

[deft dust]

@low vortex what do you think of my proposal?

[low vortex]

Well it's really up to the team. I was just wanting more information so we could discuss it more informatively

[deft dust]

Okay thank you !

[dreamy folio]

🙂

[boreal smelt]

[torn tide]

Hola can a mod tomorrow open the lectura room, will be running the spanish lecture 'game' if so thanks (3pm est to 4:30)

[boreal smelt]

jejeje

[minor condor]

w-why is game in quotes

[crimson owl]

Idk

Idk why he doesn't call it sesión or sesión de lectura

Not that it's bad but yeah lol

Game

[warped nymph]

@tawdry zinc sure
Not writing how to get the free game just yet obviously until i get the green light :)

IOS: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/langlandia-spanish-game/id1310343081
Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.langlandia.langlandia

[deft dust]

I saw a post on reddit about this game, was that you?

[tawdry zinc]

@warped nymph We've had a look at your app and we think it might be a good tool for our users.
We'll allow you to mention/advertise it in our #🍁・general-2 channel in order to find some people to help you test it.
Please, be respectful of users who are not willing. I'd also like to remind you not to spam advertise it.

[warped nymph]

@tawdry zinc thanks! I'll open up some free spots for users and just post once :) appreciate it. It should be coming over the next couple days

@deft dust it was :) we are trying to really test it out before we go hard in it. Currently it's just a couple of friends and a side project. But we are all passionate about it and it would be awesome if it kicked off

[polar yew]

Hello, why am I muted?

I haven't been here in a while

[copper kiln]

@polar yew how long has it been?

[polar yew]

Hmmm

before today I haven't talked here since august

[copper kiln]

I'll talk to the mods

[tawdry zinc]

@polar yew Te quitaré el mute pero no hagas tonterías de nuevo

[polar yew]

Thank you

[sand aspen]

sugg: sustituir por

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/608230566197985321.png

[deft dust]

#💬・general-vc message

Can mods take care of this please

[young scarab]

@deft dust Thanks

[strange anchor]

hi! so i used the ; q feature on #📗・preguntas-lounge and then once my question was answered i wrote ; q a.
but when i did ; q the first time , i thought i did it wrong and ended up deleting my question and then typed my question again and put ; q again. i guess it worked the second time because i got a sticker, but the sticker was a "2 sticker". Does that mean that it thinks i have 2 questions i was trying to get answered? bc i entered the question twice and typed ; q twice, even though i didnt get a sticker the first time? (ahh this question seems complicated sorry )

[sand aspen]

2 means your question is number 2 on the list [it doesn't mean anything really]

[strange anchor]

ohhh phew okay i thought i broke the system or something

[sand aspen]

I did once

[strange anchor]

oof, haha thank you!

[young scarab]

La primera vez que escribiste ;q no funcionó porque escribiste mal

Y editaste el mensaje

Editar no va a hacer que te añada la pregunta. Debes escribir bien la sintaxis a la primera

[strange anchor]

ah ya veo. lo entiendo, muchas gracias!

[young scarab]

I get it Lo entiendo / Lo pillé *

[sand aspen]

@light plank what role do you want instead?

Other or Spanish?

[light plank]

@sand aspen i want turkish

i am utrkis hnative but also i want english beginner b1-b2

[sand aspen]

there's only other, you already have it

[light plank]

intermediate ..

[quick cove]

intermediate ..
try in #703075065016877066

[light plank]

i am not beginner spanish :d

i dont know spanish

i am beginner enligsh

who made this :d

anyway it can be stay

[young scarab]

Fixed

[light plank]

okay mucho gracias

[tawdry zinc]

Muchas*

[light plank]

muchas 😄

[polar yew]

I'm trying to invite a friend to this server, but when I send them an invite this pops up. The thing is they haven't even been in the server before...

[glossy hatch]

eso me pasó a mí también y no sé arregarlo

[crimson owl]

what's their name? @polar yew

[polar yew]

花 ͔͔͔#0900

[crimson owl]

I asked a mod, and they don't seem to be on the ban list, so I'm not sure why unfortunately. Maybe one of them can help

[polar yew]

Thank you

[low vortex]

If you give us their ID number it will be easier to find them @polar yew

[crimson owl]

^

We can't get it here because they're not in the server

[polar yew]

725172147298893824

[low vortex]

Gracias

[blissful prairie]

How do you even find your own ID number?

[low vortex]

I'm not seeing their ban anywhere

[crimson owl]

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/206346498-Where-can-I-find-my-User-Server-Message-ID- @blissful prairie

[glossy hatch]

This happened to me too when I accidentally left

[crimson owl]

how'd you fix it?

did it do it on its own?

@glossy hatch

[glossy hatch]

Idk, wolf kept inviting me and it eventually worked

[crimson owl]

hmm

maybe they could try restarting discord

idk