Need help with Perspective in game art.

[serene vigil]

Trying to find that sweet spot in the angle of perspective, but also have to work within a certain design aspect for logic related reasons.

first is original and second is changes.

floor and stairs get reused somewhat...

but I am not sure if this is correct.

[rotund jasper]

this one looks a bit more correct

I do wonder if you could render a 3d image in blender or smth

but with all flat materials

[serene vigil]

maybe, if i knew blender or was inclined to use that method, but i was hoping to keep it as pure as possible and do it all by hand as I have been. plus i like drawing.

[serene vigil]

in terms of the stairs and the floor?

[rotund jasper]

alright fair enough

[rotund jasper]

yeah

I think what you really want is

draw it flat first

like you're looking straight from the side

then draw another similar line on top

[serene vigil]

what about in the third picture? that's the same floor but with different lighting and its the complete set. (started typing while u were typing out advice)

[rotund jasper]

but that one doesn't have the steps does it?

[serene vigil]

its all part of the same area...

[rotund jasper]

that one looks good

[rotund jasper]

that looks pretty good

[serene vigil]

nice clean shot of the complete floor

i wasnt sure if this looked good. (trying for a depthy perspective)

[rotund jasper]

ooh that is really cool

how did you even do that

are those reflections drawn?

[serene vigil]

its kind of a trick of the eye... but technically they are drawn.

here i will show u an earlier version of this effect i have developed

this map data hasnt been updated with the newest tiles or layers... but some of the art got updated when i changed the floor tiles

I am kind of in the middle of addressing 4 issues at once...but they are all connected.

older stairs and chaos from sheet changes...

im supposed to be working on NPC art rn but sidetracked into fixing old problems...

i think the floor looks better now that i changed it.

this is what the old floor angle was at.

[rotund jasper]

this looks really weird yeah

[serene vigil]

that is because its kind of all jacked up from changing the stairs case...

[rotund jasper]

nah it's just that perspective is wonky

[serene vigil]

well yeah there is this underlying issue with 2D static art and letting the camera move all over the place.

my knowledge is quite limited tho

but i am under the impression i can utilized a certain universal angle to bypass this issue for the most part.

and its basically adopting an isometric style.

which i have been trying for, i think? but the whole process has been a lot of discovery.

i am also trying to blend the flat 2D style into it as well.

[serene vigil]

when i look at this floor, i think its too far down in angle. the new floor is better at conveying the depth in the distance but i wonder if its too sharp now?

the stairs... idk what to do with them... so many issues between layout and design.

u may be right, i might want to consider using some form of external render to find the right lines...

[rotund jasper]

you could try just making a basic blocky model

to visualize it for yourself

then draw it based on that

[serene vigil]

yeah maybe... idk.

also here is another example of the overall perspective and some NPCs for ur consideration.

nevermind the missing tile... it just moved for now.

kind of give u an idea of how things should look... but also it is gradually changing...

[rotund jasper]

that one looks great

[serene vigil]

Thank You. 🙂

[rotund jasper]

the npcs are kinda creepy when they're all in line tho

[serene vigil]

yeah. thats just the way i made them in the sheet. once im ready I will give them all dynamic starting points.

i just needs to get them into the game to see if it looked right.

i still havent even really colored them.

and i have a bunch more to make...

another example of the perspective thing and an NPC i messed up the scale on...

either that or he is a really small old dood

focal points are funny things...

[serene vigil]

one last comparison

old floor tiles

new

[autumn jungle]

I think this is kinda better

[autumn jungle]

the new floor tiles are destroying my eyes

[serene vigil]

yeah i didn't quite like the new floor either so i made another... hopefully its the right mixture of new and old... i was quite fond of the original tho.

[autumn jungle]

uhm, yeah looks a bit better

[serene vigil]

it also helps to see the more finished version...

there is a slight diff b/n the first floor and the upper levels rn since i haven't updated the map data for them. I am tangled up in trying to fix these other issues...