clunky yes
#general
rigid widget
once you take advantage of the huge wiki and knowledgebase, and can come here for help with problems, it gets as easy as PEX was
thorny kernel
thats because you arent used to lp
rigid widget
^
lethal crown
once you take advantage of the huge wiki and knowledgebase, and can come here fo...
ya didn't really have to consult a wiki with pex to get shit working, that's why it was simple
rigid widget
You absolutely did
forest helm
somewhere Luck's also shared stats about how many editor sessions were made an hour, and it was like in the thousands, clearly plenty of people are happily using it
rigid widget
there were dozens of tutorial videos, wikis, etc
lethal crown
I maybe ever did like, once or twice
maybe a couple of reddit pages
or mcforums pages
rigid widget
exactly
rigid widget
all you need is like three wiki pages, once you learn them you can do every thing you've asked to do
lethal crown
but it seems like visiting the LP wiki is gonna be a regular occurence
guess I'll find out
rigid widget
if you don't remember what you learn, sure!
pure wave
I've been using LP for years, only recently found out about the wiki
forest helm
Hello BoredMan, welcome to the party
lethal crown
if you don't remember what you learn, sure!
more about the complexity of what you're learning
pure wave
Discovered the /lp editor command like day one and that was all I needed for quite a while
rigid widget
thank you for the testimonial
pure wave
Hello BoredMan, welcome to the party
Been reading, glad I tagged out while ago
forest helm
Noting about LP is obtusely complex (aside from the bulkupdate command, but that's a "once-a-year" type command anyways)
rigid widget
Lency, do you see how magical the editor is
thorny kernel
i only really go to the wiki to get links to send to people lmao
rigid widget
at least, like, try it. it's genuinely a useful tool and quite simple to learn and master
the other stuff just kinda comes along
being stuck to yaml will make working with LP hard
a little flexibility and bam, ez
lethal crown
at least, like, try it. it's genuinely a useful tool and quite simple to learn a...
I mean, like I said I'm gonna have to.
lethal crown
being stuck to yaml will make working with LP hard
but my yaml
thorny kernel
and tbh i dont even use the editor for my own server that often, i just use commands most of the time
rigid widget
yeah, once you're in the server and things are mostly set up, commands are useful af too
but starting with the basics won't hurt
forest helm
yeah I mean once you've got your initial setup done, I very rarely have to touch the edidtor
thorny kernel
tbf my "initial setup" is literally no permissions lmao
i just kinda add stuff as i go
lethal crown
so
a "context" is like a group of permission nodes that you can chuck under a usergroup
rigid widget
no, a context is data you add to a node of any sort (group, permission) when applying it to another node
it determines when/where that node (permission or group) applies
thorny kernel
a context can be added to any node, and it limits when that node is applied
lethal crown
no, a context is data you add to a node of any sort (group, permission) when app...
that's kind of annoying
rigid widget
so if you add essentials.fly to group.admin with context world=survival, the context tells LP that Admins can only fly in the world named surival
lethal crown
so if you add `essentials.fly` to `group.admin` with context `world=survival`, t...
that's 2x more complicated than what I did with pex :<
forest helm
as you said, PEX is simple
lethal crown
because now you have to assign that context to every single node
rigid widget
no you don't
forest helm
this is a tiny bit more complex, but way more powerful
rigid widget
let me describe how you don't have to
lethal crown
no you don't
how
rigid widget
holup i am typing
forest helm
(this will take him a moment)
rigid widget
say you have group.admin with 1000 nodes in it. you want all 1000 to apply only in world=survival.
you have 2 options:
thorny kernel
||larry type faster 
||
rigid widget
- add
group.adminto the admin users with the contextworld-survivaland they'll only get the group in the survival world
lethal crown
so a GROUP is a list of permission nodes
and a group is different from the actual rank itself, right?
rigid widget
- add
group.admintogroup.admin2with the contextworld=survival. then giveadmin2to the player with no contexts
rigid widget
and a group is different from the actual rank itself, right?
group = rank
same same
lethal crown
that's a pain in the ass
rigid widget
but yes it's a collection of nodes
lethal crown
why not make ranks and groups separate, and then inject groups into certain ranks under contexts?
forest helm
what is the difference between a group and a rank in your mind?
rigid widget
groups are what LP calls the thing holding nodes
thorny kernel
you can give groups other groups
rigid widget
why not make ranks and groups separate, and then inject groups into certain rank...
this is the option 2 i described
lethal crown
you can give groups other groups
that's confusing, I think it might just be slightly more user friendly to call them separate things
I get it now
rigid widget
you can nest/apply groups as deeply as you want with as many contexts as you need
thorny kernel
why make them different when they are literally the same thing?
rigid widget
so if you have 6 layers of groups, it makes no sense to like, have to alternate lol
lethal crown
why make them different when they are literally the same thing?
Realistically it doesn't make sense to make some random small group of nodes in one tiny little butt crevice and then assign a player to that group, does it?
rigid widget
but you don't need to worry about that. In this case, it's parent groups who have the other groups 'inside' of them and inherit their nodes
lethal crown
It'd make more sense to inject that list of nodes into a group you ARE assigning players to.
rigid widget
that's what you do when you're an LP power user
forest helm
I mean it's a little collection of permissions thus a group. That way you don't need to duplicate them. I've probably got a good 10 or so such groups
rigid widget
you have groups with small collections of nodes and then make a parent group that inherits them under the necessary contexts
lethal crown
I mean it's a little collection of permissions thus a group. That way you don't ...
I don't usually consider groups and ranks as the same thing, as I'm not assigning players to groups, only ranks.
But according to the coding of LP a group is a rank.
Which is a bit confusing.
rigid widget
I don't usually consider groups and ranks as the same thing, as I'm not assignin...
you can call everything 'rank' in your head if you wish
lethal crown
you can call everything 'rank' in your head if you wish
Yeah. Confusing.
rigid widget
ranks can have their own ranks
and get permissions to pass on from ranks they have themselves
thorny kernel
It'd make more sense to inject that list of nodes into a group you ARE assigning...
but you can assign any group to players, you can choose not to though if you wany your ranks system
lethal crown
Grouping everything together kinda makes it a pain in the ass in a way that's hard to explain.
scarlet light
Wait until you find out groups are also called parents
thorny kernel
you literally said pex groups them lmao
scarlet light
no
lethal crown
Wait until you find out groups are also called parents
rigid widget
but you don't need to worry about that. In this case, it's `parent groups` who h...
EVIDENT
it's all basically abstracted/user-facing programming terms
scarlet light
DONT YELL AT ME LARRY 😭
rigid widget
once you learn them, iz ez
rigid widget
DONT YELL AT ME LARRY 😭
I AM YELLING AAAAAA
lethal crown
@thorny kernel running the test server now
thorny kernel
I AM YELLING AAAAAA
lethal crown
the server is up, what exactly am I looking for
rigid widget
/lp editor ?
thorny kernel
do p2 permissions work with pex without vault
rigid widget
isn't this whole thing cause they don't
lethal crown
well considering I wasn't the one having issues with it since I had the * permissions node and op, I can't say
it was all my regular players having problems
I guess I can just demote myself can't I
@thorny kernel it does in fact work without Vault.
thorny kernel
yeah so its vault that has an incompatability with pex
lethal crown
maybe just updating my vault will fix it?
scarlet light
How are you on an outdated build of vault. It hasn’t been updated in a while
thorny kernel
like _11 said it hasnt been touched since like 2014
lethal crown
testicles
thorny kernel
anyways if youd still rather use pex than try to learn lp ill make a fork of P2 that doesnt use vault for permissions even when vault is installed
scarlet light
Why would p2 use vault for permissions 🧐
lethal crown
anyways if youd still rather use pex than try to learn lp ill make a fork of P2 ...
PLEASE
I'LL DO ANYTHING
thorny kernel
no idea but it does
lethal crown
I'LL WORSHIP YOU
thorny kernel
I'LL DO ANYTHING
ok well youll have to wait a few days because i am literally in the middle of the ocean lmao
lethal crown
ok well youll have to wait a few days because i am literally in the middle of th...
that's fine
also wh-
what ocean
thorny kernel
but once i get home again ill start working on it
thorny kernel
what ocean
pacific
thorny kernel
ye
lethal crown
Neat.
scarlet light
Swimming
lethal crown
Swimming
making my resume
I think
what's that one meme with the guy doing his papers underwater
thorny kernel
i think this is my favorite picture from this cruise
lethal crown
i think this is my favorite picture from this cruise
he has choccy milk
thorny kernel
fact
vocal rivet
Shush
rancid hound
Is there a way where i can teleport a group to me, for example i would want to tp vip group to me.
steady tangle
!verbose for me
outer vesselBOT
LuckPerms wiki
hard meadow
anyways if youd still rather use pex than try to learn lp ill make a fork of P2 ...
Would make more sense to just fix up the vault integration, surely. Or, even better, just don't and instead let PEX users finally let go of an abandoned plugin.
This whole thing reminds me of all the awful conversations I had with users of VanishNoPacket almost a decade ago about PEX problems. PEX would break some obscure thing that my plugin utilized and my users would claim it was my fault. I had a 4+ page google doc I started linking people to, detailing the various issues and how they were a problem in PEX. I wrote up demo plugins showing how the issue wasn't on my end but could be reproduced with simple code and tested against various permissions plugins. This conversation today really gave me horrible flashbacks 😆
onyx mason
Would make more sense to just fix up the vault integration, surely. Or, even bet...
I am a simple man, I see mbax message, I agree 👍
scarlet light
As everyone should
thorny kernel
i agree, but some people just wont change
misty iris
anyone have the fabric version for luckperms for 1.18.2 the version that has 1.19 support does not work for my fabric server
thorny kernel
anyone have the fabric version for luckperms for 1.18.2 the version that has 1....
and dont cross post
misty iris
i need fabric lol thats bukkit
thorny kernel
thats all of them
thorny kernel
hard meadow
i agree, but some people just wont change
And, like watching someone refuse to take a lifeboat sitting next to them in the water, you can calmly watch them sink
misty iris
man I remember PEX i can believe anyone would still rather use that
thorny kernel
tbf i would probably use pex over lp if it wasnt very out of date
i dont use most of the "user-friendly" features of lp
neon fjord
@hard meadow
hard meadow
<@71627708521512960>
🥺
hard meadow
man I remember PEX i can believe anyone would still rather use that
There's a very narrow period where PEX was fixed up to remove the pile of crippling bugs (just leaving a big one) and luckperms wasn't around. Very, very short time.
PEX has been popular due to popularity for most of its life rather than for any practical reason.
misty iris
i know i use to use it way before
hard meadow
I'm so sorry
forest helm
eh it could be worse, my first experience with a permissions plugin was UltraPermissions (that one where everything has to be done with GUIs, no contexts, forced to one track, big mess)
thick spire
How do i rename a server because i renamed the server to "idk man" and for some reason the server is still teleporting to it even tho the directory its meant to go to is "bedwars"
thorny kernel
!commands
outer vesselBOT
LuckPerms wiki
thorny kernel
!help
outer vesselBOT
thorny kernel
anyways if youd still rather use pex than try to learn lp ill make a fork of P2 ...
note for myself: https://github.com/IntellectualSites/PlotSquared/blob/3d5c694daa5ea69ac67090f6fbcf46d92631b3bf/Bukkit/src/main/java/com/plotsquared/bukkit/inject/PermissionModule.java literally remove lines 34-39
@lethal crown thats what i have to change to fix it if you care at all lmao
lethal crown
<@264910167609573377> thats what i have to change to fix it if you care at all l...
IDK java but I do care
thanks
thorny kernel
fyi, thats all youd have to do if you wanted to update P2 in the future
thorny kernel
@wooden brook moving here because its not really about LP anymore
have you written your own skripts before?
wooden brook
nope
lethal crown
So, off topic.
Anyone know why some people are appearing as Alexes and Steves for me and others aren't? No, their skins are not manually set to that.
Recently just started happening within the last 2-3 days, seems to be clientside. Running Java edition on the default launcher on 1.17.
thorny kernel
that could happen if the server is not in online mode, but other than that im not sure
lethal crown
that could happen if the server is not in online mode, but other than that im no...
It happens on any server.
forest helm
clientside mods?
lethal crown
Tried it on both mine and on Hypixel.
lethal crown
clientside mods?
thorny kernel
default launcher doesnt mean no mods
forest helm
^
forest helm
optifine?
forest helm
just checking, some people don't consider optifine a mod
thorny kernel
even though it literally is lmao
forest helm
¯_(ツ)_/¯
forest helm
I mean it's possible mojang fucked something with their skin server, although I doubt it would go unfixed for 3 days
thorny kernel
any resource packs?
lethal crown
any resource packs?
nope
lethal crown
I mean it's possible mojang fucked something with their skin server, although I ...
Seems like I'm the only one having this issue though.
And it doesn't set EVERYONE else as Steves or Alexes though. It's weird.
forest helm
idk this is seeming like either people have changed their skins, or something in your environment is pretty borked (i.e. you're using vanilla now, but have you used mods in the past? Perhaps one of them did something stupid and broke something?)
lethal crown
idk this is seeming like either people have changed their skins, or something in...
I rarely use mods. The only mods I've used have been Litematica.
And I haven't used that recently.
It's been a good month or two.
This is a fairly recent issue.
stray patio
Hello
pure wave
@stray patio
In my eventCommands.yml inside the CMI folder I have
firstJoinServer:
Enabled: true
Commands:
- cmi nameplate [playerName] -pref:%luckperms_prefix%_
joinServer:
Enabled: true
Commands:
- cmi nameplate [playerName] -pref:%luckperms_prefix%_
This will then, on player join, add the LuckPerms prefix to the name, followed by a space (the _ acts as a space)
stray patio
Because now at the above on the player don’t shows the prefix of that roles
stray patio
This will then, on player join, add the LuckPerms prefix to the name, followed b...
Is it set this, it will show?
pure wave
Correct
stray patio
Is it automatically?
vague plume
vague plume
the rose is missing lmao
stray patio
stray patio
Idk
pure wave
Do you have Vault?
stray patio
I can see it on myself but I use some weird things to do so
Would you mind to enter my server to look about that?
stray patio
Personal message
hasty nebula
My plugins:
AdvancedRegionMarket
Anti-Swear
Autorank
BetterRTP
Chestshop
Chunky
Clearlag
Coreprotect
DecentHolograms
DiscordSRV
Essentials
Floodgate
Geyser
Gsit
Inventory
LuckPerms
OreAnouncer
ServerSigns
Sleep-most
TabList
TogglePVP
Vault
WorldEdit
WorldGuard
outer vesselBOT
Hey Codic! Please don't tag helpful/staff members directly.
hasty nebula
Oh my bad
forest helm
eh is fine
none of those are screaming "I modify nametags", but it wouldn't surprise me if TabList was doing so, it's something that's not uncommon for tablist modifying plugins to do
hasty nebula
Yeah that's what I thought, I looked through the files but I couldn't see anything that changes it. I also did a test not long ago deleting the plugin and it still didn't show. So I think Tablist is safe, for now?
forest helm
(side note "lag removing" plugins i.e. ClearLagg often introduce more lag than they remove, and the core thing of clearing items off the ground has been a vanilla feature for probably a decade now)
hasty nebula
(side note "lag removing" plugins i.e. ClearLagg often introduce more lag than t...
Oh really? Thank you, I'll delete it then. See how it goes without it
thorny kernel
yeah items have a 5 minute despawn timer
it only ticks while the items are loaded in the world, but if they arent loaded they wont be causing lag
hasty nebula
Thank you for telling me!
hasty nebula
My plugins:
AdvancedRegionMarket
Anti-Swear
Autorank
BetterRTP
Chestshop
Chunky
...
So if TabList is innocent? I will back it up later and delete it again. See if it is causing it. What else could potentially not display prefixes above players' heads?
thorny kernel
honestly not sure how people just forget that when ive known forever that "get back to your items before they despawn" applies in singleplayer
forest helm
oh wait am I completely misunderstanding? I thought the issue was something was displaying prefixees over the head and now it's not. Is it displaying and you don't want it to?
hasty nebula
Sorry for being unclear, I'll rephrase it a bit:
- The right prefixes are shown in the Tablist
- The right prefixes are shown in the chat
- Not a single prefix is showing above a players head. It only displays their name
thorny kernel
So if TabList is innocent? I will back it up later and delete it again. See if i...
and what do you want it to do
hasty nebula
To show the right prefix above their heads as well
forest helm
ok so do you have any plugin that is capable of doing that?
hasty nebula
For example, I'm an Admin
on tablist it shows: [Admin] Codic
In chat: [Admin] Codic
in-game above the player head: Codic
forest helm
because based off your plugin list assuming TabList doesn't, it seems you don't
because as already stated, LP won't do that, and without a plugin to do so, it won't happen
hasty nebula
ok so do you have any plugin that is capable of doing that?
That's what I am also trying to figure out .i thought maybe Tablist or Essentials chat. Buut I updated them all to the latest 1.19 and before in 1.18 it did show. I have no clue about any other plugin that can change it
hasty nebula
because as already stated, LP won't do that, and without a plugin to do so, it w...
Lp is now safe too yeah, I thought it could've been LP but that isnt the case
forest helm
well did you remove any plugins when updating?
hasty nebula
Nope, it's all the same. No settings changed
forest helm
when you updated did you also update all your plugins, ensure no errors in console, etc?
hasty nebula
However, I did spot something just now in Essentials chat. I double checked and the format changed. I'm 100% this small change (That I didnt do and overlooked originally) has been the cause. I will update you guys in a few min
hasty nebula
when you updated did you also update all your plugins, ensure no errors in conso...
Also yes, no issues and updated
forest helm
EssX doesn't touch name tags
thorny kernel
i doubt the chat format would cause that
hasty nebula
Oh.. Well I'm clueless then
thorny kernel
does TabList have a changelog?
thorny kernel
can you send a link to where you got that plugin?
thorny kernel
did you download from spigot website?
hasty nebula
I did
I also just uninstalled tablist
And it still doesn't show, but it does show in chat
So confirmed that Tablist is not the cause
thorny kernel
does it show in tablist still?
also its not that a plugin is disabling it, you just dont have a plugin changing it in the first place
forest helm
removing a plugin is for sure not the solution
thorny kernel
@hasty nebula do you use any datapacks or vanilla scoreboard commands on your server?
onyx mason
@forest helm 
forest helm
thorny kernel
Hey aberdeener! Please don't tag helpful/staff members directly.
onyx mason
Hey frying pan I am ABOVE the law
thorny kernel
dangm how could you do this
forest helm
I mean we did the exact same thing in 3 other servers anyways 😛
hasty nebula
does it show in tablist still?
It does show after re-installing yeah
hasty nebula
also its not that a plugin is disabling it, you just dont have a plugin changing...
it weird because it used to do it before I Switched over to 1.19
hasty nebula
<@319510538654842892> do you use any datapacks or vanilla scoreboard commands on...
No datapacks, how can I check vanilla scoreboard commands?
hasty nebula
It says no teams and There are no objectives
thorny kernel
huh
hasty nebula
thorny kernel
can you show a screenshot of /pl?
hasty nebula
thorny kernel
how you are testing it with only 1 player online :
hasty nebula
My friend joins
thorny kernel
ok discord
hasty nebula
My friend joins
When I need him to test he comes online
thorny kernel
ok may i ask why you are using a sleep plugin?
hasty nebula
The normal way doesn't work
thorny kernel
they added a vanilla gamerule that does the same thing
thorny kernel
/gamerule playersSleepingPercentage 0 for 1 player
hasty nebula
But without it; if one person goes to sleep it instantly switches
Do I change the 0 to 50? So half need to sleep?
hasty nebula
Okay cool, I'll change that
thorny kernel
and 100 is every player, the default
hasty nebula
I will do like 20%
thorny kernel
anyways nametags
hasty nebula
I used TAB before but it doesn't work with 1.19
hasty nebula
Thats why I had to switch
thorny kernel
were you using TAB when you started updating?
hasty nebula
But because I deleted TabList, surely that would mean that the line overwriting the prefix would also be gone?
hasty nebula
were you using TAB when you started updating?
Yes
thorny kernel
so did you actually configure TabList?
hasty nebula
Yes I did
thorny kernel
can you send your config?
hasty nebula
I had to add the prefixes from LP to the tablist itself
yes, there are 2 important ones
But I can send all of them if you need it?
outer vesselBOT
hasty nebula
Well there are 3 important ones actually and thats it
I never used that before
I paste it in and send the link?
thorny kernel
yeah
hasty nebula
Okay cheers
thorny kernel
one for each file
thorny kernel
fyi TabList has PAPI support so you couldve used a placeholder instead of copying them all
hasty nebula
Oh, I don't know how they work. I've just started with plugins again. Last time was in 2015. So got a lot of catching up to do 😅
thorny kernel
so tablist probably just doesnt support changing the nametag
hasty nebula
After the switch I realised it didnt work and I had to get another tab plugin
thorny kernel
TAB is the only one i know of but no 1.19 support yet
hasty nebula
There is one thing that I find confusing, I deleted Tablist and the folder of it. Doesn't that mean that TabList doesn't override anything? Because its gone?
hasty nebula
There is one thing that I find confusing, I deleted Tablist and the folder of it...
I did re-install after I saw it didn't fix anything. Thats why I have it now
thorny kernel
hasty nebula
Is that my baby!!??
thorny kernel
i hope you still have your TAB config
thorny kernel
unlike some people who dont make backups and then complain that they lost data and say that "restoring a backup isnt a fix"
forest helm
backups! https://f.u11.io/3MH1y6
hasty nebula
unlike some people who dont make backups and then complain that they lost data a...
Lmao, those people exist?
hasty nebula
backups! https://f.u11.io/3MH1y6
😳
forest helm
gotta love borg
thorny kernel
Lmao, those people exist?
hasty nebula
Wow
forest helm
I see something like that about once a week sadly
forest helm
unfortunately at LP's scale, the incredibly rare chance of h2 DB corruption happens quite frequently, and most of those people are the unlucky people without backups, or without backups that have been tested (if you haven't tested your backups, you have no backups)
hasty nebula
Always gotta prepare for disasters
forest helm
lotta people either don't know it can happen, or "well that'll never happen to me"
stiff musk
Anyone know how to use LPC on NukkitX?
hasty nebula
Often with people who are less experienced. Whenever you're doing something, could be anything, things will go wrong real quick
it works!!!!!
Note to self and others; Never use TabList
thorny kernel
well
hasty nebula
Thank you _11 and Frying Pan, you both have been incredibly helpful!
thorny kernel
its not a bad plugin, it just doesnt do nametags
thorny kernel
is it a bad thing that i want to try and make my own permission plugin
thorny kernel
true
tbf, most of the basic things LP does dont seem like they would be too complex to add
as in rather simple inheritance
obv more complex things like meta and the editor are quite complicated
forest helm
I mean meta's pretty easy, and the actual technical aspects of the editor are pretty easy
thorny kernel
the plugin side of the editor i assume is pretty basic right?
forest helm
before the websockets stuff it was, dunno what it looks like now
thorny kernel
like it just needs to upload the perms setup, and then parse changes
forest helm
Yeah upload was just dumping all the data into json and posting to bytebin, and the editor just returns a list of changes which are pretty trivial to apply
thorny kernel
most of the work is done by the web interface or whatever
technically the editor could just return a list of commands for lp to make the server run lmao
gilded nova
it's the small, working gears that are the difficult parts, you need to choose an inheritance tree traversal algorithm to make things predictable, then added to that you also need weights, then temp nodes maybe, specific nodes and wildcard nodes, and which ones take priority over the others
And all of that (and more!) in an efficient manner 😄 where do you cache things? when? yada yada ...
thorny kernel
i generally do mostly custom stuff when i make my servers, but i do something that when i think about it, doesnt make sense
i actually add normal bukkit permission checks
even though i could just have my own system that doesnt even use bukkit permissions
its not like im going to make my scripts public
and then i added translation support just so i can support people playing in pirate speak lmao
side note: thank you to whoever added pirate speak to LP
its wonderful
woeful willow
I think I contributed a tad to that, either that or it was sponge
waxen cargo
MINECRAFT TOPIC:
anyone have a good idea for a custom game mode never made before for a network
it cant be copyed from hypixel pls dm your suggestions
gilded nova
I mean if i had such a good jackpot of an idea I wouldn't share it
forest helm
told them the same in DiscordSRV where they also posted it
gilded nova
🙃
steady tangle
I've always wanted to build a Dead-by-daylight / GTA Slasher sort of game 🤔
I had the map planned out for a server I staffed on but never got around to it
sad
lethal crown
omg it's Admiral Thrawn
plush shale
help, how to set roles from luckperms in the AmazingKit plugin?
pastel trout
Does anyone know what the plugin is called, which allows you to set up online players on the server so that they do not have to enter a password?
forest helm
that would be called online-mode=true
plush shale
Luckperms does not see commands from the AmazingKit plugin?
trail shuttle
don’t cross post
gilded nova
yeah err, contexts don't work like that lol
it isn't applying in survival but it won't apply elsewhere either, that doesn't mean "not in server survival", it literally means "in server '!survival'"
gilded nova
I think you can set it to true with no context / globally, and to false with server=survival
devout vigil
I mean, for me it gets applied on the lobby
And you travel the entire network with the same pack
gilded nova
well, you can't do that stuff without a resource pack - but yeah server will ask the client to apply it when they join
devout vigil
^
devout vigil
I think you can set it to true with no context / globally, and to false with ser...
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onyx mason
devout vigil
group.diamond = true -> global
group.diamond = false -> survival
gilded nova
mmh well you'll have to set it to true with server context for every server but survival I suppose lol
devout vigil
pain
But yeah @gilded nova. If you do it just right, you can have an entire network run on 1 pack:
And make stuff like that
fierce karma
i need help with this
it doesn't show up
all placeholders working
that isn't working
gilded nova
well, expiry time of what? you need to give it a permission to take the expiry time from
fierce karma
rank
gilded nova
you need to give it a permission to take the expiry time from
gilded nova
yes, and that one needs the group name
you can have multiple temporary parent groups
fierce karma
ok
fierce karma
yes, and that one needs the group name
but if i have like 30 groups
and this is a scoreboard
so how i do to get the player group time that player have
like this
gilded nova
of the primary group?
fierce karma
yes
gilded nova
err I think PlaceholderAPI has something to do placeholders inside placeholders, which would allow you to stick the primary_group placeholder inside the group_expiry_time one
I don't know the syntax and I don't know if it needs explicit support from the plugin you put the placeholder into tho, you should ask PAPI support for that
gilded nova
well, if this you're doing inside your own plugin you can use the LuckPerms API to get anything you need
gilded nova
right
well you can call getRank and put that inside the group_expiry_time placeholder
fierce karma
aight
forest helm
yup
only time you might need to do something more is if we ever get to 6.X.X
It's completely opt-im. You have to run a command to enable them, and even then it's only for your user
pure wave
pure wave
chrome river
setting up permissions on my server
pure wave
What do you need help with exactly
pure wave
!nw
outer vesselBOT
calm vector
when luckperms gui?
pure wave
Use commands
calm vector
why?
pure wave
Just to see how painful it'd be
calm vector
well i just make a grant things for myself with deluxe menus
im thinking how to remove all group from specific players
pure wave
parent set default
calm vector
thx
thorny kernel
Also https://github.com/lucko/LuckPerms/issues/619
Also, LuckPerms is a fairly big plugin, and runs on 3 different platforms.
It would take probably hundreds of hours to implement the full command functionality within in-game menus. It would be pretty much impossible to implement this for the BungeeCord variant. Implementing the same system for Sponge would be really difficult.
this part is an even bigger point now that luckperms supports not only spigot, bungee, and sponge, but also now forge, nukkit, velocity, and fabric
gilded nova
but its to complicated
thorny kernel
i think its really funny how people that an in-game chest gui could be easier than a web interface
like theoretically, you could make something that looks and functions exactly the same as an in-game chest gui with html5
but also you can do more lmao
calm vector
like theoretically, you could make something that looks and functions exactly th...
I'd rather use deluxe menus to make a configuration
calm vector
i think its really funny how people that an in-game chest gui could be easier th...
well my game will crash if I press Yes since it's linked to google chrome that's why i don't use web interface
steady tangle
what
thorny kernel
click copy link and then open a new tab and paste it
calm vector
ye i do it as always
thorny kernel
my game stops responding when i open screenshots, but im on linux so weird stuff like that happens
but if you click copy to clipboard instead of "yes" itll just put it on your clipboard and put you back in the game
so then you can easily paste it into a new tab
onyx mason
Also https://github.com/lucko/LuckPerms/issues/619
All of lucks wonderfully written bible and then
but its to complicated
gilded nova
every time I read the word "bible" in my mind I read it as "bibble" lmao
thorny kernel
A reading from The Holy Bible according to Luck
onyx mason
I’m glad it’s not in Lp, it would make it feel much more rudimentary to use
thorny kernel
i think luck needs to add DK bongo support to luckperms 🙃
dont ask what they should do, just make them work
steady tangle
well my game will crash if I press Yes since it's linked to google chrome that's...
Have you tried not using Chrome 😎
gilded nova
based
steady tangle
And your default is set to Firefox?
calm vector
ye
calm vector
ye
steady tangle
Ew you
gilded nova
eXcUsE yOu
steady tangle
yEA
gilded nova
steady tangle
Bet
steady tangle
Rip
gilded nova
that's a legit domain tho lmao
gilded nova
someone add it in here 
https://github.com/LuckPerms/clippy/blob/master/modules/scam-links-be-gone.js
onyx mason
Add my script to check if an editor link is pirated or not 
calm vector
i think its really funny how people that an in-game chest gui could be easier th...
well, if people just want to set parent instead of permissions, just make a deluxemenus menu like this. no time consume, no need to open the web https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCO6GpBMfOE fast asf
gilded nova
I mean a custom system like that makes sense for your environment (and allows your players to use it if that's in your interest too!); main issue Luck was pointing out is trying to replicate the entire command structure in an inventory GUI - and doing that for every platform too
calm vector
oh damn
gilded nova
Discord down haha
pastel trout
help pls
gilded nova
why does nametagedit work only with permissions
you can't make groups for staff cause if they're op they will have all groups
since they have all perms
pure wave
Don't op staff for a start
gilded nova
and owner?
pure wave
They don't need op if you set your permissions correctly
pure wave
and owner?
Same
pure wave
When I'm op I don't get all groups
gilded nova
How?
i believe you made a priority
well if you use nametagedit you can't give op to more than 1 person
so ya we do have to give all the perms manually
pure wave
Nope, don't have anything that does "priorities"
pure wave
wut
gilded nova
what would you do if you wanted to change group
pure wave
change?
/lp user boredmanplays parent set groupname
gilded nova
your nametagedit group
pure wave
tf is a nametagedit group
gilded nova
nametagedit has a group system
gilded nova
lmao
pure wave
Sir, this is LuckPerms support
pure wave
as do most other plugins, doesn't mean I know about them all
gilded nova
Sir, this is LuckPerms support
ah sorry just got what you meant
well there isn't any discord for nte
and i just wanted to complain about it lol
cedar nova
hi how can i rename ranks
vague plume
https://luckperms.net/wiki/Group-Commands#lp-group-group-rename-new-name
remember you need to bulke edit users who have the group under the old name.
renaming a group renames the group itself but not the group node on users or inheritance in other groups perms
cedar nova
thx
devout vigil
Hey, something weird that's happening on my network
For some reason, I have 27 players on my network.
This is the LP discord, but maybe someone has an idea what this could be
thorny kernel
devout vigil
<:tharpyWah:951708270547062814>
Yes, that's my reaction 🤣
thorny kernel
forest helm
yeah is premium, and good ol spigot requires you to be logged in to view premium resources
thorny kernel
thats stupid
forest helm
indeed it is
thorny kernel
"you have to login to see what you can spend money on" -> "i will not login because i do not even know what it is" -> less money
forest helm
yup...
thorny kernel
i think its kind of ironic how luckperms has the default group you cannot change, but the luckperms discord uses a separate role instead of just using the default @ everyone role that discord has
forest helm
that's anti-pruning prevention. I've only heard legends, but apparently once a mod accidentally pruned the members, causing like half the discord to be kicked
(actually it might not have been an accident, don't remember. That mod is no longer with us either way though)
steady tangle
sounds like something I'd do like a doof
good thing I can only ban/kick people in other places 🙃
shadow crown
Well done 👍🏻
full hornet
So there's one command mod that has the /rtp command, but doesn't accept like entity targe, i.e. /rtp @p[0..1]
I thought About using a command Block and throw it a Verbose Command command so to simulate the behaviour, but it neither seems that LP also supports like a "Wildcard" (@p) to do so
I wonder if LP actually supports it
/lp verbose command @p[0..2] /give @p[0..1] dirt
thorny kernel
not sure why verbose would help?
you can make lp resolve command selectors in the config
but have you tried /execute?
not sure what minecraft version your on but /execute as @a[r=0..2] rtp
i think it changed from distance= to r= or the other way around at somepoint, but [0..1] was never a valid way to do distances if thats what your doing
full hornet
yeah, i noticed when I tried to write it haha ^^"
thorny kernel
i wouldnt recommend changing that LP config option if you dont need to because it would make it really easy for someone to mess with lots of players if they got access to LP commands
even though its highly unlikely
although maybe my point is invalid because idk if LP allows selectors with multiple targets
thorny kernel
it supports all features of vanilla selectors though, right?
full hornet
well, the /execute as is looking promising
gilded nova
it supports all features of vanilla selectors though, right?
sure, it asks the server to do all the selector resolution so like anything works really lol
also keep in mind that on Spigot/Paper/forks execute cannot run plugin commands
thorny kernel
like you could do @e[type=player,limit=1,sort=distance] or whatever instead of @p 👀
pure wave
Heyo @hexed plank
You'd need to use a plugin that allows you to create custom commands
You could probably get away with using commands.yml but the permissions are a tad wonky afaik
hexed plank
Is there a specific plugin because I couldn't find one
forest helm
yeah enabling arg-based just for this would be a massive headache
one that does explicitly this? No. But many exist that could be easily configured to do this
really anything that'll allow you to set up a command that can run another command as console will work
i.e. this would be one of the few acceptable uses for skript imo
hexed plank
Thanks
forest helm
(I don't know skript, but I imagine that's probably like 2 lines to write, maybe a few more if you need to toggle)
pure wave
I personally use CMI for it
Since, we already have it
Getting it just for this is overkill
forest helm
generic CMI grumbles
forest helm
does CMI seriously have a custom alias system as well?
forest helm
bloat
although I did briefly admin on a server that had it a few years back and I remember the user experience was actually pretty decent, so meh idk
pure wave
I find it okay, there's a few issues with it but once you learn them it works wonders for what we need
forest helm
I also imagine it probably doesn't perform spectacularly, but rather difficult for me to quantify that without access
forest helm
yeah I run a custom plugin so I just bake all of those one-off things into it
pure wave
Havent seen any noticeable performance issues, and you can turn off any modules you don't need
forest helm
yikes just double checked the price though, $20 canadian loons
pure wave
that hurts my eyes
onyx mason
You hurt my eyes
pure wave
onyx mason
THAT hurts my eyes 
pure wave
forest helm
or 10 canadian toonies
onyx mason
How many do you have ..
onyx mason
💀
woeful willow
Some yahoo IRC sticker vibes
devout vigil
I wanna see if someone knows this issue
My bungee thinks players are on multiple serves.
And sometimes it even shows the same player on the same server multiple times
devout vigil
I'm completly lost as to what is causing it
scarlet light
My bungee thinks players are on multiple serves.
What software
devout vigil
What software
Both Waterfall and Bungeecord have this issue
scarlet light
Any proxy plugins?
red bronze
What other Server management plugins/mods, like this one, work with forge?
vague plume
I've done this without AR and Protocolize
Bungeecord config for two servers pointing to the same server maybe? Happened to me once due to copy pasting a piece, forgot to change the ip
devout vigil
Bungeecord config for two servers pointing to the same server maybe? Happened to...
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servers:
bingo:
address: 172.18.0.1:35568
motd: '&1Just another BungeeCord - Forced Host'
restricted: false
hungergames:
address: 172.18.0.1:35571
motd: '&1Just another BungeeCord - Forced Host'
restricted: false
lobby:
address: 172.18.0.1:35565
motd: '&1Just another BungeeCord - Forced Host'
restricted: false
skyblock:
address: 172.18.0.1:35567
motd: '&1Just another BungeeCord - Forced Host'
restricted: false
survival:
address: 172.18.0.1:35575
motd: '&1Just another BungeeCord - Forced Host'
restricted: false````Check out the FTB collection
A lot of those mods are handy for servers
Chunks for claiming, backups, essentials
steady tangle
Their wiki is here https://feedthebeast.notion.site/FTB-Mod-Documentation-da2e359bad2449459d58d787edda3168
steady tangle
as it stands im tossing up between Biomes o Plenty and Biomes You'll Go
What mc version?
red bronze
1.18
steady tangle
Byg
Bop removed a lot of content past 1.13 and imo BYG just looks nicer / has more variety
red bronze
they did
i thought stuff was added
i was leaning towards BYG cause i have seen BoP, its boring to me now
steady tangle
Aye
https://biomesoplenty.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Removed
I think this list is accurate
I assume they just didn't have the manpower to maintain it all
red bronze
how is it still a mod without that?
that has to be atleast half of the biomes
im still scrolling
hit the end
steady tangle
In Pixelmon, we're no longer using BOP as our main biome mod due to all these removals. It's really missing a ton
Luckily BYG exists
Think it works with Terraforged too if you want a variety of landscape
red bronze
dependency now
the other mod im tossing up between is Refined Storage & Applied Energistics 2
red bronze
Luckily BYG exists
guess its also got the added bonus of a fabric version
steady tangle
I was a die hard AE2 fan until I got in to auto-crafting. RS was just so much easier for that x)
red bronze
hmm
how long did it take for you to transision over?
cause in 1.7.10 it being same but different was torture
steady tangle
Transition from AE2 to RS?
red bronze
yep
steady tangle
Not long really. They're kinda similar, in the sense there's a controller block, crafting terminal, wireless terminals etc
The auto-crafting is completely different but much more simpler imo
RS have a nice wiki on getting started too https://refinedmods.com/refined-storage/
I've mainly been using it in a 1.16 pack
red bronze
as you have guessed im building a 1.18 pack
1.16 probs would be better but eh fuck it
lose a few mods gain native copper
steady tangle
aye that's fair
shouldn't been too much difference in terms of the discussed mods
once I finish playing my 1.16 pack, probably move on to a 1.18 one 🤔
red bronze
updating from 1.7.10 so its a large leep for the modded server in my community
however we had a 1.17/1.18 paper server running
steady tangle
yea that's a huuuuge jump
Even from 1.7.10 -> 1.12 is a large leap for a lot
you're going from bronze age to futuristic
steady tangle
Forge discord may be able to assist you with finding alternatives
or the Modded MC discord
mystic bronze
Hi I wanted to ask if I can write ideas somewhere?
thorny kernel
ideas for what?
mystic bronze
ideas for what?
for Luckperms
thorny kernel
put them here then
thorny kernel
yes, here
mystic bronze
oh ok thx
steady tangle
If you wanna suggest stuff, the issue tracker is more appropriate
mystic bronze
If you wanna suggest stuff, the issue tracker is more appropriate
ok were is it ? is it the #issues chanel ?
steady tangle
!suggest
outer vesselBOT
gilded nova
generally, asking about it in here is good as a gateway, like maybe it's something that can be done already, or maybe not and can thoroughly be explained why etc
but yeah suggestions always end up in the issue tracker
tired elk
what plugin would i need
forest helm
!chat
outer vesselBOT
forest helm
and it's luckperms, no "y" 😉
tired elk
what are you talking about
forest helm
(edited)
tired elk
where
forest helm
...
gilded nova
👁️
tired elk
no like I know that but im just curious if you knew of any nukkit plugin that serves that purpose
gilded nova
there was a plugin uh, I don't remember the name; I think it's called gChat? it's fairly inconvenient that's also the name of a chat plugin for bungeecord lol
forest helm
there's just not a lot of stuff for nukkit in general
at this point most servers just do Paper + Geyser
steady tangle
at this point most servers just do Paper + Geyser
:p
tho not sure how if you wanna do just bedrock
sonic wyvern
Running a Java allowing bedrock people to join
sonic wyvern
I mean you could probably easily block java connections
red bronze
Forge discord may be able to assist you with finding alternatives
Which forge discord? I joined one and it’s not the most helpful
steady tangle
The one you joined :P
You can probs ask in #313125603924639766 or #540691915373412393 for mod alternatives
tired elk
I mean you could probably easily block java connections
Well what in your opinion is the best uh java server version
ik theres like bukkit
only one i really know
sonic wyvern
Paper or pufferfish imo
red bronze
The one you joined :P
You can probs ask in <#313125603924639766> or <#5406919153...
It was the dev server so… they kind of showed me the door when I asked
steady tangle
Ah yea that makes sense
modders don't play the game 
Modded MC discord may be better
red bronze
I was able to get limited server advice but when it came to mod alternatives I was told to search for them and watched someone else asking for mod suggestions get shown the door
Im starting to see why everyone hates the forge community
steady tangle
That's not really a reason to hate it.
The forge discord is in general a developer discord, not so much a general mod talk discord. I have seen them suggest mods for people wanting to upgrade from unsupported versions, hence why I thought they may be able to assist you
They just believe there are better places that can give you suggestions
red bronze
I guess, over the past 3 years I have seen a mass hatred of forge as well as it’s community and a push towards fabric. I still defend forge however
steady tangle
It's petty drama between the two. Honestly it's less the actual Forge team and more the community stirring the pot, they didn't really cause it themselves.
They've acknowledged in their Code of conduct that at times they can be dismissive or their members have trouble interacting with others, which imo is respectful
red bronze
there’s developers refusing to touch forge and devs refusing to touch fabric over it. I have always thought it was just petty nonsense but willing to jump ship once all mods I use become fabric based
Is the server just called “modded mc “ what’s its invite code
gilded nova
modders don't play the game <:thinksup:508806920195538964>
i feel attacked by this
steady tangle
there’s developers refusing to touch forge and devs refusing to touch fabric ove...
Yea it's all just a mess. Both modloaders have their advantages vs disadvantages, tho I've never really touched fabric and have no intentions on doing so x)
oh
cool
thanks
gilded nova
IMAGINE A PLACE
gilded nova
IMAGINE A PLACE
steady tangle
steady tangle
i feel attacked by this
gOOd
steady tangle
neat
honest sentinel
!bulkupdate
outer vesselBOT
LuckPerms wiki
forest helm
use worldguard
gilded nova
hey guys
guys
in bungee i have this
but i want to change from default to another
how do i do that?
i just need this
thorny kernel
look at the worldguard documentation
gilded nova
please anyone help
gilded nova
help?
thorny kernel
thorny kernel
gilded nova
frying pan..
thorny kernel
send output of /pl
forest helm
You seem to not have LP installed on Bungee. You need it installed if you want LP to manage permissions for it
!network
outer vesselBOT
LuckPerms wiki
thorny kernel
plugman
thorny kernel
plugman is bad and you shouldnt use it
forest helm
that will break things
thorny kernel
if a plugin has a config reload command, use that
forest helm
if not, restart the server
thorny kernel
^
gilded nova
WE DON'T TALK ABOUT PLUGMAN NOW
forest helm
let's not shout please
forest helm
yeah that's shouting
forest helm
unless you like stuff getting broken, never use that command
there's a big warning for a reason
gilded nova
there are no guaranteed anything won't break because of a reload
asking "will this or that break" has no definitive answer
thorny kernel
the answer is "assume that it will"
outer vesselBOT
Hey Crypjân! Please don't tag helpful/staff members directly.
gilded nova
@woeful willow
outer vesselBOT
Hey Crypjân! Please don't tag helpful/staff members directly.
woeful willow
Is there a bungeeguard support server?
I don't know
gilded nova
hmm
outer vesselBOT
LuckPerms wiki
steady tangle
Do not cross-post
magic roost
is there anyone that can help with the #support-1 channel
echo sparrow
Or could you guys just make a paid support ticket system?
onyx mason
echo sparrow
There should be other ways to get assistance than a 16k ppl public channel
gilded nova
Someone did ask what type of sensitive information even is, and what is this entitlement, lol
echo sparrow
Someone did ask what type of sensitive information even is, and what is this ent...
How is a paid support system a bad idea?
onyx mason
No one here wants money
It would be a shitshow to try and distribute it
Bringing money in FOSS usually goes badly, especially in MC related things
sonic wyvern
And paid support brings in the aspect that we need to be always active giving support. We are all volunteers with limited free time, or at least I am
steady tangle
Money also means legality, and making Luck / this Discord liable. A lot would have be done for that to get set up
teal sun
There should be other ways to get assistance than a 16k ppl public channel
By having support public, we help make a backlog / archive of issues. If you search an error message, 99 times out of 100 there's already someone who had that problem and was helped before.
It also allows anyone who is knowledgeable to help, without us having to vet a list of helpers and those are the only people who can help. (Not to mention the burden on the team of having to be the only ones to help out)
prisma shore
hey what perm would it be to give someone sole perm to do this command /lp user [playername] group set [rank]
I can do it as op obviously, but i want to give a rank only this command rather than all of lp perms
gilded nova
thorny kernel
perfectly valid place to ask but ok
gilded nova
I suppose more staff would find it in support, no?
thorny kernel
doesnt really make a difference
prisma shore
ty
gilded nova
I suppose
thorny kernel
what the hell
gilded nova
yeah he's taking over
marsh rune
i for one welcome our clone overloads and humbly accept them into the community
steady tangle
cas wtf
quiet salmon
Is there a bungeeguard support server?
I believe lucks hideout is used for that
gilded nova
ok i pull up
trail shuttle
nice
gilded nova
luckperms is on and version 1.12.2 Sponge ?
onyx mason
?
grand forge
Is having a lot of unused permission in luckperms, bad? Like for performance or something?
gilded nova
not in the slightest
forest helm
if you've got thousands of unused permissions in the DB, then you might start to see some incredibly minor performance dips, but LP is incredibly well written and optimized, so you'd have to have an insane amount of junk to get to the point where you notice
Unless you're using a flatfile storage method (yaml etc), in which case data loads will probably get noticeably slower as filesize increases.
Even then, you'd still probably need like 1000+ nodes to get to the point where you notice, and LP doesn't default to one of these methods anyways
grand forge
Thanks!
Also, is there a way to not "save/show" players with other permissions such as group.default?
players with only group.default only appear in the editor if online.
for offline players, they appear if they have any permission other than group.default.
Can I add other permissions to that "hide" list?
forest helm
Nope. That's a side effect of how LP's default system works. If a user only has group.default, LP doesn't save permission data for them. Thus, when they're offline, LP has no data to show for them, since they have nothing saved. It's identical* to them having never joined in the first place.
* Ignoring the username <-> UUID cache that allows you to do operations on offline players using their username instead of their UUID after they've joined once
for more info
!default
outer vesselBOT
LuckPerms wiki
grand forge
Very useful, thanks!
golden ether
gilded nova
Can I set that e.g. Administrator can only give the Developer rank?
stone thicket
Hi, I'm new. I wanted to ask a question.
I have a problem if you could help me
vague plume
'Perms'? Well, don't they have a support place