general

[hollow hull]

where can i download it

[gilded nova]

I don't either lol

as I said, it depends on the platform you're using if it's out or not, but LP downloads are in luckperms.net as they always were

[gilded nova]

how i show ranks in deluxe chat i set my rank to default but still shows in chat %vault_group%

@violet rivet

[outer vessel]

Hey NinjA! Please don't tag helpful/staff members directly.

[idle saffron]

any lifesteal smps?

[potent prawn]

is this a meme... why is it being asked so much

[worldly quail]

This meme seems to be evolving with each minecraft version released🧐

[thorny kernel]

i think they dont quite get that luckperms usually does not need to update with new game versions

[north fulcrum]

is the latest version 1.19 compatible?

[gilded nova]

Keep an eye out on https://www.luckperms.net/ and in #news. It will be announced if it will be 1.19 compatible (If they make it compatible).

[steady tangle]

luckperms.net is more accurate

[steady tangle]

also literally read like, 7 message above yours

[jaunty bone]

??

[vague plume]

do what it tells you to and paste the log here. this msg could literally be anything. the reason can be found in your log

[jaunty bone]

something with the database

was working fine earlier

[onyx mason]

!paste

[outer vessel]

Please use pastebin!

Seeing a paste of the problem makes everything so much easier! Use https://pastes.dev/ for easy pasting!

For console errors:

Pastebin any relevant segments of the console log. If it's a startup error, this includes the entire startup log!

Other errors:

Pastebin the entire LuckPerms config file (passwords removed) as well as any other relevant files!

[vague plume]

!support-1

[outer vessel]

Sorry! I do not understand the command support1
Type !help for a list of commands

[thorny kernel]

i should probably look into pterodactyl

it looks quite useful

[lofty night]

I find that pterodactyl becomes messy if you're self hosting services off of it

if you're only managing MC servers on it, or if you're a hosting provider, absolutely

otherwise, meh

[untold iris]

is there a context that checks for money

[thick sentinel]

Stupid question but where can I find the support for spark because @twin warren also made spark.

[outer vessel]

Hey Angelus! Please don't tag helpful/staff members directly.

[thick sentinel]

yeah ok

[steady tangle]

https://discord.gg/PAGT2fu

[thick sentinel]

thx!

[steady tangle]

In pins

[untold iris]

.

[onyx mason]

No

“Money” could be from any plugin, it would be impossible for luckperms to know what plugin to communicate with

[woeful willow]

Is 1.19

[steady tangle]

ded

[steady tangle]

!editorsaftey

[outer vessel]

It is safe to send an editor link in public.

Any changes made in the editor have to be applied using the /lp applyedits command - impossible unless the person with the link is also connected to the server and with the required in-game permissions to use LuckPerms commands. It's effectively just as safe to share an editor link as it would be to share a screenshot of your permissions or a pastebin of a configuration file. The editor doesn't contain any sensitive data (except perhaps player names).

More Information:

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Web-Editor

Concerns about the proprietary nature of your permissions setup?

Please, don't be. We're here to help, not steal your permissions setup. Additionally, permissions can be tested by players simply joining your server and seeing what they can do.

[heavy nest]

seems to be.

ran it in a test server, the 1.18 version does seem to work with 1.19

[calm wraith]

@potent prawn @pure wave how do u recommend making a test server?

[outer vessel]

Hey Soleau! Please don't tag helpful/staff members directly.

[calm wraith]

oh shit didnt know one of you is staff my bad

[pure wave]

What server software do you use

[calm wraith]

pebblehosting

[pure wave]

noooo

[calm wraith]

or do u mean spigot/bukkit?

[pure wave]

Like paper, spigot, bukkit etc

[calm wraith]

i use paper

but paper 1.19 isnt out yet

[vague plume]

it is

[calm wraith]

only the dev right?

[vague plume]

there are dev builds in the discord

just not public on the web

[calm wraith]

yeah but theyre quite buggy from what ive seen on their server so far

or they fixed that in the past 12 hours

[pure wave]

Welcome to dev builds

[calm wraith]

crying

so with the paper 1.19 dev i could technically already make a test server?

[vague plume]

yup. like im doing rn

[calm wraith]

alright and then i should be able to set up all plugins there

and then delete the current ones from the main server and copy paste the plugins from the test server?

i really have this uhm hate for files, i never seem to understand how they work

[potent prawn]

just copy your plugin .jars into a local server and start it up

maybe copy over some configs

[vague plume]

the key really imo is to check each plugin off separately. are there new config settings and if so, using an older config may cause issues/uses default settings. new config settings dont get pushed into already existing files

i had this with premium vanish once <.<

[calm wraith]

shit but i made so many changes in the configs

[vague plume]

there may or may not be changes. change logs will tell you really

[calm wraith]

shouldnt i be able to to see if there has been added new lines

[vague plume]

for lp for example there hasnt been a config change in a while now

[calm wraith]

thats a good thing

[vague plume]

it really depends on the update. world generators or things that work with blocks in general are more likely to have additions due to, well, 1.19 new blocks

makes sense yea

[calm wraith]

yeah and with the new particles, enchantments and effects ofc

[vague plume]

yea

so lp for instance doesnt do anything with that - hence the unlikelyhood of needing code changes to run on it

[calm wraith]

yeah makes sense

god i hate making extra servers for testing and such

[potent prawn]

necessary evil

[calm wraith]

indeed

[vague plume]

^agreed, on both lol

[potent prawn]

imagine if discord tested all their new features in the production client lol

[vague plume]

oh ey turbo

[calm wraith]

i mean they do upload beta's

[pure wave]

Don't they?

[vague plume]

check pr's for lp web/wiki lmao

[pure wave]

The amount of times I've been notified of a new feature and it is inaccessible

[potent prawn]

i should have said what if they developed their features in that environment

[pure wave]

:D

[calm wraith]

well i mean if its closed for a couple days that would make it different

[potent prawn]

what for? i don't see anything new

[vague plume]

i did some typo corrections and emily i guess approved them but they werent live yet when i last checked yesterday

lemme find what that was

[potent prawn]

i see it

[vague plume]

'is currently is currently' - someone had an exhausting day that day lmao

[potent prawn]

lol

i'll update it hold on a sec

gosh i haven't opened a terminal on my pc in so long

[vague plume]

^_^

lol

btw whatcha think about my horrible looking lp placeholder output replacement for expiries xDDDD

[potent prawn]

updated the wiki but it might take some time to go live

[potent prawn]

wdym?

[vague plume]

https://github.com/ZeromaniacMc/LuckPerms-Time-Placeholder-Script this horrible thing

emily was so nice to yeet the old ver from pins out of support 1

and put this :3

[potent prawn]

that's cool. lots of documentation which is nice.

the code could do with some improvements... :P

but if it works then it works

[vague plume]

i yeeted the formatting/readability on full purpose. last time, people thought it looks so easy, changing the code and then come crying for help, sending only screenshots of it not working ingame. i literally had to ask so many times 'did you change the code' only to find the answer was yes

so now i made it look terrible in hopes ppl stop touching it

[potent prawn]

lol that's amazing

[pure wave]

Yeah... That's what I do with mine too

[potent prawn]

@vague plume wiki is updated now :) thanks for the edits

[vague plume]

ty as well ^_^ ill return whenever i find more typos xD

[scarlet light]

!usage

[outer vessel]

🔖 Usage

Here's a guide to help users understand and use LuckPerms for the first time.

Read more

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Usage

LuckPerms wiki

[faint mortar]

Ready for 1.19 ?

[forest helm]

Uh there seems to be some minor issues with advanced chat things not working (Click events / Hover events), but the core stuff is working as far as I know.

The chat issues are caused by one of our libraries, and as it's effectively maintained by the paper team, they've obviously been more focused on updating paper itself

[jaunty bone]

is there a way to backport worlds from 1.16-1.18 to 1.8

[thorny kernel]

!help

[outer vessel]

Available commands

‎

!advanced
!api
!argumentbased
!ask
!bulkupdate
!bungee
!bungeecheck
!cauldron
!colours
!commandequivalents
!commands
!config
!context
!cookbook
!default
!downloads
!editor
!editorsafety
!errors
!essentials
!extensions
!extracontexts
!faq
!formatting
!hack
!helpchat
!inheritance
!install
!libsdir

‎

!locale
!meta
!migration
!notworking
!nowildcard
!offline
!pasteit
!permissions
!placeholders
!selfhosting
!stacking
!storage
!suggestions
!switchstorage
!sync
!testingperms
!tracks
!translationprogress
!translations
!tutorial
!upgrade
!usage
!userinfo
!verbose
!version
!weight
!whyluckperms
!wiki

[gilded nova]

Hey weird question? Was wondering if theres a good place to find luckperms addons/extension plugins. (Anything that uses luckperms API) I was pretty curious to see what people have done with it.

[pure wave]

https://github.com/search?q=import+net.luckperms.api.LuckPerms%3B&type=code

[gilded nova]

Well that works. Thanks

[gilded nova]

Also another dumb question ( to clarify)
The expiry (in the editor) and unsettemp (command form) completely remove a permission node right?

[thorny kernel]

you could test it with a 5sec perm node lmao

[calm wraith]

Yesterday i talked about with some folks about having a test server

how much gb would you min put on a test server?

[thorny kernel]

for no plugins 1gb is probably enough, and unless you have lots of big plugins you might not not even need more. assuming 1 or 2 players though

[calm wraith]

ohno its like uh

15 plugins

[thorny kernel]

which ones?

[calm wraith]

just some big ones

cmi, ultraregions, coreprotect, lands

[thorny kernel]

i mean ig you can always just https://tryitands.ee

id say start with 1gb and go to 2 if you need to

[calm wraith]

pff

ok ok ty

[steady tangle]

!latest

[outer vessel]

Latest version

5.4.26

[spring swallow]

What is the best minecraft hosting server?

[sonic wyvern]

i personally like bloom host, but #host-a-server is also a good option

[scarlet light]

+1 for bloom

[vague plume]

hetzner

[scarlet light]

Not everyone needs a dedi tho

[vague plume]

still xD

[sonic wyvern]

the average user will not know how to operate one as well

[vague plume]

the 'average' level needs to rise

[scarlet light]

that would be above average then

[sonic wyvern]

wishful thinking lmao

[vague plume]

average back in the day was that people generally knew how to launch a server locally. cant even ask that these days, yet its just one command. but no. ui's are conquering minds

[scarlet light]

java -jar server.jar
e z

don't need memory vars

[sonic wyvern]

you didnt include jar downloading steps

[scarlet light]

its already downloaded

[sonic wyvern]

they will just run that command without downloading anything

[scarlet light]

smh

[vague plume]

well

i asked 'launch'

not install. so evident aint wrong

[scarlet light]

makes 'simple' bash script to install java, download jar, and run jar with a gui

[vague plume]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hallow cove]

@flint bear I think u have to use pluginhide-pro

to hide all the commands

[flint bear]

thx

[flint bear]

its free 🙂
https://gitlab.com/TauCu/command-blocker

taken from velocity/papermc forum

[lofty night]

Could also use a dedicated-cpu vps

haven't tried it yet but am planning to for a quick test server, as it charges hourly & can delete any time

😏 possibly overkill but cheap for a few hours/days of test

[steady tangle]

!bulkupdate

[outer vessel]

🔖 Bulk Editing

Quickly update a large amount of user and group permissions by using the bulkupdate command.

Read more

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Bulk-Editing

LuckPerms wiki

[steady tangle]

for mee

[raven isle]

You probably get this question alot but are you able to move the ranks around in the luckperms editor once they made? Like if I want a rank above another

[scarlet light]

!weight

[outer vessel]

🔖 Weight

LuckPerms allows you to set weights in order to determine the priority of certain nodes, like permissions and even prefixes. A higher weight number is a higher priority.

Read more

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Weight

LuckPerms wiki

[steady tangle]

!latest

[outer vessel]

Latest version

5.4.26

[gusty umbra]

!help

[outer vessel]

Available commands

‎

!advanced
!api
!argumentbased
!ask
!bulkupdate
!bungee
!bungeecheck
!cauldron
!colours
!commandequivalents
!commands
!config
!context
!cookbook
!default
!downloads
!editor
!editorsafety
!errors
!essentials
!extensions
!extracontexts
!faq
!formatting
!hack
!helpchat
!inheritance
!install
!libsdir

‎

!locale
!meta
!migration
!notworking
!nowildcard
!offline
!pasteit
!permissions
!placeholders
!selfhosting
!stacking
!storage
!suggestions
!switchstorage
!sync
!testingperms
!tracks
!translationprogress
!translations
!tutorial
!upgrade
!usage
!userinfo
!verbose
!version
!weight
!whyluckperms
!wiki

[gusty umbra]

!api

[outer vessel]

🔖 Developer API

Learn how to use the LuckPerms API in your project.

Read more

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Developer-API

Example usages

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Developer-API-Usage

Read the Javadoc

https://javadoc.io/doc/net.luckperms/api/latest/index.html

LuckPerms wiki

[gusty umbra]

!install

[outer vessel]

🔖 Installing LuckPerms

You can install LuckPerms on Bukkit/Spigot/Paper, BungeeCord, Sponge, Fabric, Nukkit and Velocity servers. Check the installation guide for more info on setting up LuckPerms.

Read more

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Installation

LuckPerms wiki

[gilded nova]

QUESTION

How do I reset ALL players settemp/set permissions without resetting User Ranks?

[please tag me if reply]

[sacred totem]

Hi ! is it possible to copy a luckperm configuration (of groups) to paste it on another luckperm plugin ? Thanks in advance

[vague plume]

Since groups, users and permissions are stored in the database file (whichever type you're using), you can indeed export https://luckperms.net/wiki/General-Commands#lp-export-file--upload and import https://luckperms.net/wiki/General-Commands#lp-import-filecode---upload---replace data from/to anywhere. Both commands have certain flags, which make it a bit easier

[sacred totem]

okay thx !

[thick spire]

how do you make a database as i need one for the uhc part of my server

[sonic wyvern]

please dont crosspost! you can find many tutorials online on how to create a database, your host may provide one for you if you ask them

[thick spire]

k ty

[sweet olive]

Do any of you guys know something where on a website there is a map of the Minecraft world which shows where the players are? I remember it being I thing but I forgot it

[steady tangle]

Dynmap?

[sweet olive]

Ah yes

Yy

[steady tangle]

There's BlueMap too

Either work

[scarlet light]

There's also Pl3xMap, and SquareMap

[onyx mason]

And luckmap

[sonic wyvern]

I hope it's written in skript?

[thorny kernel]

skript my former beloved

new friendship with grakkit

i went from skript to helper-js (thanks luck) to grakkit

[onyx mason]

Yikes there’s another

Just learn Java 😄

[thorny kernel]

ive tried

but i cant deal with the iteration time

[onyx mason]

The what

[thorny kernel]

test -> change -> test again

testing a very small code change takes too long for me

with helperjs and grakkit you dont need to restart the entire server to test simple things

skript too ig, but skript doesnt give you full access to java apis

[scarlet light]

Just reload

[thorny kernel]

build times 🗿

and i would rather have a fabric server which doesnt have reload anyways

[scarlet light]

as long as you're not invalidating caches every time, your build time wouldn't be that bad. indexing doesn't happen every time you make a single change

[thorny kernel]

im used to my haxeflixel project building and running a native linux binary in like 10 seconds to get running, and more recently godot being nearly instant

[cloud basin]

anyone know a soigot mc tutorial that shows us how to add permissions to a plugin with luckperms?

[steady tangle]

What do you mean add permissions to a plugin?

Are you asking how to code in perms for your own plugin or just how to use LP?

[cloud basin]

Is there a yt tuorial or webpage on coding luck perms permissions to my own plugin

[worldly quail]

Check #luckperms-api channel description

[trail shuttle]

!default

[outer vessel]

🔖 Default Groups

LuckPerms provides a group that every player is added to upon joining the server, called default. You can use multiple methods to change the default group or change the name of it.

Read more

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Default-Groups

LuckPerms wiki

[midnight creek]

Hey everyone, I know this might get confusing with how i make it sound. But if anyone could guide me or support me with trying to do this it would mean the world. I'm still kinda new to luckperms and all. So i'll explain below what i'm trying to do.

MY PROBLEM:
So i'm trying to make ranks and stuff on my server. But i'm trying to make it so like if someone bought a rank on my server for example i want that to show in chat but also give them permissions from that rank. But if i give them a staff rank like helper i want them to still have perms from their buyable rank while being displayed as helper also having their buyable rank showing in chat too and getting helper perms too.

Please reply or ping me if anyone has a fix for this or answer

[forest helm]

!stacking for displaying multiple prefixes. Then use /lp user <> parent add <group> to add staff groups instead of ... parent set ..., this will ensure they keep their purchased groups

[outer vessel]

🔖 Prefix & Suffix Stacking

Display multiple prefixes/suffixes alongside a player's name.

Read more

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Prefix-&-Suffix-Stacking

LuckPerms wiki

[midnight creek]

Alright. But how would i add it so they get perms from their buyable rank and the helper ranks perms together

could you explain to me in detail a bit of how that works

Just so i understand fully

[forest helm]

LP allows people to inherit from multiple groups. Thus, you add their staff group in addition to their purchased group

Do you manage users groups via commands or the editor?

[midnight creek]

editor

i use that

[forest helm]

ok so just add the group.<staff group name> node instead of replacing their old node

[midnight creek]

I'm generally a person who gets confused with a lot of stuff but i'll do my best to try this stuff you told me and see if i can get it working thanks so much.

[midnight creek]

So for example from what you said did i do this kinda correct or not at all. Just wondering. Because rn i'm trying to get my helper here to have helper perms and default (member rank) perms. And i wanna get them to show in chat. So it will go like this in chat.

[Helper] [buyable rank /member rank] (PlayerName) (message)

[forest helm]

yeah that's the correct permissions setup, then you'll need to make some config change (see the page I linked you above) to configure the prefixes to be able to display as you wish

[midnight creek]

This is the thing you want me to edit correct

[forest helm]

Correct

If you haven't already, you'll need to set up tracks for the 2 "sets" of groups

[midnight creek]

So 2 of them

cause that whole thing is for 1

[forest helm]

actually i guess technically only need one track

then use highest_on_track_<track> and highest_not_on_track_<track> in the config

[midnight creek]

So is the stuff in this image a track?

[forest helm]

nope

[midnight creek]

oh

[forest helm]

tracks are configured via commands / the editor

!tracks

[outer vessel]

🔖 Tracks

Tracks provide a method for you to promote/demote players along a track (or ladder) of groups.

Read more

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Tracks

LuckPerms wiki

[midnight creek]

Yikes this is gonna be the more harder part of setup

But i'm trying to understand my best

[forest helm]

So what I think the best way to do this will be to make a track, add the staff groups to it, then do the config changes

it's not actually that bad, it's only 2 lines of config changes, and setting up tracks aren't that bad, it just might seem overwhelming to be given all this info at once

[midnight creek]

Do you have a video i can watch on it to help?

[forest helm]

uh there's a few decent tutorials bouncing around, but I don't know if they cover tracks, and they almost certainly don't cover prefix stacking since it's a pretty advanced feature

[midnight creek]

Yeah i tried to find one but nobody does stuff on this

Dang it

[forest helm]

been meaning to make a "complete" lp tutorial video at some point, ig I'll add prefix stacking to my todo list for the script

[midnight creek]

Cause the reason i'm having a hard time is cause this is my first time ever trying to setup something like this

i know how to make default ranks and stuff

just never learned how to do these types of things

[midnight creek]

So by a track you want me to do these steps right and add my staff groups into the track

So the name of the track would be "Staff"

Then i add my staff groups with the last command it says

[forest helm]

yup

[forest helm]

then in this config part, replace the highest under prefix with highest_on_track_staff, then add a new line after it - "highest_not_on_group_staff" (with the appropiate indentation

[midnight creek]

So i made the track and added all the ranks. And i gave my friend his ranks default (member rank) and helper and so is it suppose to look like this

it says that under parent groups

before it said group.helper and group.default under permissions nodes before now it don't

[forest helm]

track changes wouldn't have effected that

[midnight creek]

uh oh

did i do something wrong

[forest helm]

take default off, but otherwise right

[midnight creek]

So instead is it suppose to be listing group.helper group.default

[forest helm]

Add group.default back to the user

[midnight creek]

okay hes on default

[midnight creek]

So i did that but when i use the command in game to promote him on the track it changes group.default to group.helper

[forest helm]

did you remove default from the track?

[midnight creek]

Default rank is on the track

is it suppose to not be?

[forest helm]

Correct, take it off

[midnight creek]

ok

so helper should be #1

How would i remove it?

[forest helm]

!commands see the track section

[outer vessel]

🔖 Command Usage

Find all of the available LuckPerms commands on the wiki.

Read more

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Command-Usage

General commands

Link

User commands

Link

Group commands

Link

Permission commands

Link

Parent commands

Link

Meta commands

Link

Track commands

Link

Log commands

Link

‎

‎

LuckPerms wiki

[midnight creek]

oh nvm got it

This right?

[forest helm]

there you go

add default back to the user, and you should be good

[midnight creek]

Okay!

[midnight creek]

So i did everything you said and for some reason it's not showing my other helper as their rank in tablist or chat.

[midnight creek]

btw @forest helm so mainly the only stuff now that i need to figure out is how to get the "Buyable rank or default rank" to show in chat along with the "staff rank" if they have one.

I have vault installed btw

[outer vessel]

Hey XtroBag! Please don't tag helpful/staff members directly.

[midnight creek]

oh oops

[midnight creek]

I fixed it!

[ancient anchor]

hey yall looking for a an 2 admin that know how to run and fix server plugins and also fix TAB playerlists also to teach me how to use lucky perms to give to my mods

[forest helm]

!usage for LP (Btw it's LuckPerms, no y)

[outer vessel]

🔖 Usage

Here's a guide to help users understand and use LuckPerms for the first time.

Read more

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Usage

LuckPerms wiki

[forest helm]

as for the others, this isn't a marketplace

[midnight creek]

Can anyone help me fix this placeholder. it's not working some reason.

I have placeholderapi installed and i installed the expansion

[thorny kernel]

you didnt give it a track parameter

[forest helm]

either way that's not the way to do what I was explaining

[midnight creek]

do i put the track name?

[forest helm]

.

[midnight creek]

i'll go try that

[midnight creek]

alright is this correct?

[forest helm]

oh I did a stupid, in the second line replace group with track, but otherwise yes. Save that, /lp reloadconfig, and it should work

[midnight creek]

okay i'll try

[midnight creek]

So the placeholder still having problems i tried replacing "track" with "staff" and tried it with just track

and i did reload luckperms

[forest helm]

Get rid of the placeholder from the chat plugin, LP should handle it all for you

[midnight creek]

it shows in tablist

it worked!

[midnight creek]

one more thing i need to fix. is i would like to remove it from being in tab and i use the TAB plugin for my tablist

this is the config

do i need to use different placeholder then %vault_prefix%

i do want their ranks to show just not the other one the 2nd

[midnight creek]

Fixed this myself!

[vocal rivet]

@gilded nova May I ask why you sent me a friend request?

[forest helm]

^

[gilded nova]

So basically I use a plugin that has /back and I imagine it crashes my server. I wanted someone experienced to analyze the code

[thorny kernel]

you imagine it does?

or it does?

[gilded nova]

What

I imagine my server crashes

[thorny kernel]

do you know what "imagine" means?

[gilded nova]

when they were a little kid, they closed their eyes really really hard, and loved picturing what the future would be like

and they imagined the server crashing

[weak breach]

Hey, what’s the luckperm command to show all of the command nodes for a command in my console?

[thorny kernel]

to see what permissions a command has?

you cant, luckperms doesnt know. the closest youll get is the tree command which lists all permission nodes lp knows about, but it could be missing some as until a plugin tries checking for a perm, lp doesnt know about it

[weak breach]

weird, do you know much about pixelmon? i've been trying to make it work together but i haven't had much luck.

[weak breach]

any help would be appreciated

[pure wave]

https://pixelmonmod.com/wiki/Commands

All the permissions are in there

[weak breach]

see i've been inputting the command nodes listed there with no results

[thorny kernel]

worth noting some permissions seem to just not work

like pixelmon doesnt actually check some of them

[weak breach]

like i want to add pixelmon.command.pokeheal , which seems to work on every other server lol

i'm just incapable of having it rn lol

Anything if that doesn’t initially work?

[thorny kernel]

!verbose if its trying to check permissions youll see it with this

[outer vessel]

🔖 Verbose

LuckPerms provides a verbose command to help you find out what permissions a command/plugin is checking.

Read more

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Verbose

LuckPerms wiki

[weak breach]

Wait, would I need another plug-in to work with just luck perms to bridge the two?

[thorny kernel]

if its not checking permissions, then its beyond the control of luckperms, but verbose will be the only way to know for sure

[weak breach]

so i type like lp verbose pokeheal on ?

[thorny kernel]

no

iirc lp verbose command <username> pokeheal

[weak breach]

aight, i'll check in a second, gotta log in

tysm for the help ;-; been a while since i've done this

pirateminecraft - minecraft.command.pokeheal - undefined

that's what has popped up ;-;

[pure wave]

Means you don't have the permission set or negated to you or any groups you are in

So to give you permission run /lp user pirateminecraft permission set minecraft.command.pokeheal true

I'm assuming pirateminecraft is your username

[weak breach]

by god i'm dumb

and yeah

i've been looking for lp verbose and how to use it properly to check myself for so long, thanks boys

back to watching deliverence

[pure wave]

No worries

[pure wave]

Did I just get banned from Zero's tutorial server?

http://share.boredman.net/ULWO0In5.png

Was halfway through reading the rules and got booted back here

[vague plume]

yep

[pure wave]

Why

:(

[vague plume]

i dont want you there, quite simple

[pure wave]

Can't argue with that

Still sad tho

[mortal blade]

hi guies

i wann appeal

on server herobrine

can i apple heer ?

[thorny kernel]

no...?

[simple orbit]

So I had this error with bungeeguard, and I can't solve it, the token is the same across all the configs.

[outer vessel]

Please use https://pastes.dev to send files in the future. I have automatically uploaded message.txt for you: https://pastes.dev/5bdz1iF32I

[simple orbit]

Prior to that I had gotten this error.
Denying connection from No getting my IP - Or @ This - reason: NO_TOKEN

[vague plume]

https://discord.gg/Rnbpc7s

[simple orbit]

Oh ask there?

[ancient isle]

Someone help me

[outer vessel]

🔖 Developer API

Learn how to use the LuckPerms API in your project.

Read more

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Developer-API

Example usages

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Developer-API-Usage

Read the Javadoc

https://javadoc.io/doc/net.luckperms/api/latest/index.html

LuckPerms wiki

[thorny kernel]

!latest (for me )

[outer vessel]

Latest version

5.4.30

[hearty bobcat]

minor note, on https://luckperms.net/wiki/Developer-API it says LuckPermsProvider.get() throws IllegalStateException but it seems it throws NotLoadedException instead

[hearty bobcat]

and it's a bit annoying that this exception is private, which means I have to catch the parent IllegalStateException. Is there any reason why?

I see no other way to check if luckperms is loaded than to just try and catch an exception if it isn't loaded

[gilded nova]

why not just get the api through the platform's capabilities? e.g. on SERVER_STARTING/SERVER_STARTED in Fabric, in onEnable on Bukkit, on ProxyInitialize on Velocity etc...

[hearty bobcat]

I would do that but I am making a cross-platform plugin where using the static getter is much more convenient

it means I don't even need to write any platform specific code

https://github.com/NamelessMC/Nameless-Plugin/blob/c2c8ee5c4e93a84679e08ed751b8229b52a5b02f/common/src/main/com/namelessmc/plugin/common/LuckPermsPermissions.java

[gilded nova]

I mean you eventually do need to write platform specific code, and anything event-driven with the server is very tightly coupled with the platform you're using; when are you needing LP that is unloaded? because that is waaaay too early in any server initialisation

[hearty bobcat]

I only need a list of all groups and a list of player groups (queried at some interval)

and if LP is not available at some point in time, that's not really a problem

most plugins would indeed need platform specific code

[onyx mason]

@hearty bobcat

[hearty bobcat]

you are everywhere

[gilded nova]

yeah but he smells tho

[hearty bobcat]

I have to admit I have never smelled aberdeener

maybe this summer lol

[gilded nova]

The way I would have it is call the reload method in the corresponding event/method ^ (or maybe do somewhat like LP does it, and have a single, common enable method each of those platform "moments" call), otherwise it's persistently polling until it's available,

[hearty bobcat]

yeah that would be nicer

I guess that means I don't need to rely on dependency functionality in platforms

good idea actually

you have convinced me

[gilded nova]

epic

[thorny kernel]

cross platform code with glue code

[wet vale]

anyone familiar with litebans ?

[thorny kernel]

!ask

[outer vessel]

Please ask your question!

Please ask the question you have. Don't ask to ask, or ask to DM someone. There are people here to help you, but we need to know what to help you with, so please just ask the question you want to in as much detail as possible!

Or, try here first:

https://luckperms.net/wiki

Why shouldn't I ask to ask?

https://sol.gfxile.net/dontask.html

[thorny kernel]

ignore the wiki part, but everything else still applies

[wet vale]

I want to disable the "/mutechat" command in litebans, is that possible ?

[lunar mica]

@stray summit

[wet vale]

i mean, is there is smth in configuration makes me able to disable it?

[thorny kernel]

why? just dont use it if you dont want to

[wet vale]

cuz I have another plugin that manages that chat

[thorny kernel]

so?

[wet vale]

and it has the same command "/mutechat"

[thorny kernel]

aliases.yml i think can help you

or maybe its commands.yml

i forget lol

anyways whichever one it is, you can force it do /pluginname:mutechat

[wet vale]

I will look more into it, thanks a lot !

[patent shore]

hey

how can i add space in prefix

it's not working add space

[vague plume]

"theprefix " <- quotes

[patent shore]

i don't understand

[vague plume]

wrap the prefix and the space in quotes when using a command to add/set a prefix that contains a space

[daring mortar]

Hello,
How can I improve this? https://timings.aikar.co/?id=a53ba265c11149068529be33413850ff

[steady tangle]

well for one

fix that

[fervent sedge]

Lord_samosa I know Im probably not allowed to ping you so I aint gone try lol, thankyou for the quick help you gave a few days ago, LP is indeed, 10 times better then PeX

[steady tangle]

No probs 👍

Do not cross-post

[forest helm]

only 10x? I'd say at least 100x 😛
(and yeah pinging anyone with helpful, mod, or dev will make the bot yell at you)

[orchid crow]

hello, what's the permission that proves that you have an rank?

[vague plume]

The group node group.groupname

[orchid crow]

thanks

[gilded nova]

Hey guys

i need help

a rank's not showing the prefix

Anyone can help.

?

no?

[thorny kernel]

!chat

[outer vessel]

LuckPerms does not perform any chat/tablist formatting of its own!

LuckPerms only acts as the source for prefixes / suffixes, it doesn't actually apply them. You need an appropriately configured chat/tablist formatting plugin for them to be displayed. If the values appear correctly when you run /lp user <user> info, LuckPerms is doing its job!

FAQ answer: Prefix isn't showing?

https://luckperms.net/wiki/FAQ#why-are-prefixessuffixes-not-working

List of chat/tablist formatting plugins that work with LuckPerms

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Prefixes,-Suffixes-&-Meta#displaying-prefixes-and-suffixes

[gilded nova]

andddddddddddddddddddd

there goes mojang servers

down

https://tenor.com/75CD.gif

[wispy hinge]

I’m having issues with the /lp command

It’s not working for me on my server

[compact flint]

help me for this

[steady tangle]

Please use one support channel, either #support-1 or #support-2 (don't use both)

[tawny fiber]

I just had my db corrupted from just a regular restart. I had to restore a backup from earlier this week. It just made me think that an automatic daily backup system for the luckperms db would probably be really helpful for the hundreds of people who have corrupted data. Votingplugin does this too

[steady tangle]

Think that's been suggested/discussed before: https://github.com/LuckPerms/LuckPerms/issues/3234

[toxic delta]

could anyone help me set up my server

[thorny kernel]

no

if you have a specific question, you can ask

[toxic delta]

oh ok

[thorny kernel]

but asking a vague question like that is more like asking "can someone setup my server for me"

[toxic delta]

ok

[fervent saffron]

does anyone have luckperms fabric 5.4.26?

[thorny kernel]

https://ci.lucko.me/job/LuckPerms/1434/

[fervent saffron]

thx

[delicate fox]

hello

[crimson remnant]

How to fix luckperms 1.7.10 version is not showing its prefixes , i am using essentials 1.7.10 and essentials chat 1.7.10 not X , so how do i fix it also using vault 1.7.10

Anybody plz help

[coarse summit]

is there a video on just basic commands and perms for luckperms?

[vague plume]

!tut theres that

[outer vessel]

YouTube Tutorial

If you would like a video tutorial for setting up LuckPerms, try:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4anE2wOLdc

[coarse summit]

thank you

[tawny fiber]

ooh i see, an automated task to run lp export is a good idea i hadnt thought of. definitely helps a lot with what i want for myself

[thorny kernel]

http://starlogs.net/#LuckPerms/LuckPerms this is amusing

[steady tangle]

omg

[vocal rivet]

Holy Fword, this is awesome 😄

[lone harbor]

oi

does luckperm support rgb colors?

[onyx mason]

It’s up to your chat formatter plugin to support them

[lone harbor]

im using essentials chat

[onyx mason]

Great, contact their support for details

[lone harbor]

e

[gilded nova]

hi

[gilded nova]

hi, so I wanted to make event in my server with falling chests with diff loot. Anyone knows a good plugin for it?

[crimson remnant]

@scarlet light

[pure wave]

[thorny kernel]

!chat

[outer vessel]

LuckPerms does not perform any chat/tablist formatting of its own!

LuckPerms only acts as the source for prefixes / suffixes, it doesn't actually apply them. You need an appropriately configured chat/tablist formatting plugin for them to be displayed. If the values appear correctly when you run /lp user <user> info, LuckPerms is doing its job!

FAQ answer: Prefix isn't showing?

https://luckperms.net/wiki/FAQ#why-are-prefixessuffixes-not-working

List of chat/tablist formatting plugins that work with LuckPerms

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Prefixes,-Suffixes-&-Meta#displaying-prefixes-and-suffixes

[fervent saffron]

😄

[frozen jetty]

Hello

[weary oracle]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[pure wave]

Online players show, otherwise any player that has a permission node will show

[weary oracle]

One message removed from a suspended account.

One message removed from a suspended account.

[pure wave]

Oh, to allow them to use the editor?

[weary oracle]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[pure wave]

luckperms.editor to create an editor link

luckperms.applyedits to be able to apply those changes

[weary oracle]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[pure wave]

You could use luckperms.*

[weary oracle]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[night kraken]

I need help with LP. I dont know what permissions to give to default members i need like an example of a full build LP from someone thats willing to share

[fathom night]

where do i go for help

[thorny kernel]

this is entirely dependant on what plugins you have, how you have configured those plugins, what kind of ranks you want to have, and what you want each rank to be allowed to do.

there are no examples that will work on your server with your exact setup

[steady tangle]

They cross-posted, hence the 5 X emotes

:P

[compact quiver]

hey, is it possible for me to prevent users from using a specific name tag? I'm using a resource pack for a special roll-play and I need to make sure no one else can use this name tag

[opaque ice]

yeah, only give yourself permission for it?

[quasi surge]

anyone here that can help me setup my chat plugin to work fine 😄

[thorny kernel]

why not ask the support for your chat plugin?

[quasi surge]

cuz

It conflicts with LuckPerms

LuckPerms has its own kind chat formatting built in

and the {displayname} puts prefix in the name

and If I just put {player} it will take the name color of the prefix

[trail shuttle]

lucnperms doesn’t do chat

[crimson remnant]

Ik I have installed the required plugin still it's not showing

[thorny kernel]

do your prefixes show when you do /lp user <name of person who should have a prefix> info?

[idle pike]

Hello, I have downloaded the plugin and everything is going well, I have created the groups, added the permissions, but when I give it to a person, the commands do not appear. 1.16.5

[steady tangle]

do not appear?

[compact quiver]

Yeah, I want to only give myself permission to use that specific nametatg. Users other than me should be allowed to use any other nametag

[thorny kernel]

the default group isnt the only thing that permissions can be added to

you can put them on players directly if you want to

[crimson remnant]

Yes

[thorny kernel]

then luckperms is doing exactly what it is supposed to do

if you have a chat plugin, check its config

if you dont, you are going to need to get one

[steady tangle]

!download for meee

[outer vessel]

Downloads

You can download LuckPerms for Bukkit/Spigot/Paper, BungeeCord, Sponge, Fabric, Nukkit and Velocity.

Link

https://luckperms.net/download

Additional downloads

https://ci.lucko.me/view/LuckPerms/

[keen dragon]

Hey! I'm setting up a server network and have my Luckperms saved to a SQL data base. What is the best way to lay out permissions for individual servers? I want to have special ranks across all servers. How would i do a prison server and such.

[hard garden]

ochota!

[pastel trout]

If I have * rights, how do I set it to always be above the toys in the taboo?

I have a prefix owner but the players are above higher than me

[vague plume]

luckperms does not control the order in tablist

[idle pike]

they can't do /kick

for example

[compact quiver]

I'm trying to follow here, but I'm not grasping what you're say. What permission are you referencing? Where? How?

[vague plume]

vielleicht^^

was hast denn

also

hier mal kurze erklärung

du kannst mit luckperms prefixe setzen. das schonmal vorweg ABER luckperms ist kein chat oder tablist plugin, bedeutet es wird niemals irgendwo prefixe injezieren. du brauchst ein chat plugin und vault um die in den chat zu kriegen, und eben ein tablist plugin für tablist und so weiterrrr

!chat zweiter link hat ein paar examples, aber das heißt nicht, dass nur die gelisteten plugins funktionieren

[outer vessel]

LuckPerms does not perform any chat/tablist formatting of its own!

LuckPerms only acts as the source for prefixes / suffixes, it doesn't actually apply them. You need an appropriately configured chat/tablist formatting plugin for them to be displayed. If the values appear correctly when you run /lp user <user> info, LuckPerms is doing its job!

FAQ answer: Prefix isn't showing?

https://luckperms.net/wiki/FAQ#why-are-prefixessuffixes-not-working

List of chat/tablist formatting plugins that work with LuckPerms

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Prefixes,-Suffixes-&-Meta#displaying-prefixes-and-suffixes

[vague plume]

generell kannst du alles mit papi unterstützung oder vault unterstützung benutzen

wie gut die sind ist wieder ne andere frage. kommt halt drauf an was du brauchst/willst

spigot und paper sind beides forks von craftbukkit also ja, allerdings ist paper besser von der performance her

ne

nein

nein

nein

nein

nein

ne

wie lange wollen wir das noch machen xD

nein, ich arbeite gerade selber an meinem server rum

außerdem will ich nicht, dass du später bei blackspigot was runterlädst und mir dann den arsch zuschiebst weil dein server gehackt wurde oder son scheiß

was kommt als nächstes? dass ich deinen server einrichten soll?

ne

du machst dich gerade echt lächerlich

zum letzten mal, nein.

[gilded nova]

can we not post meaningless spam? thanks

[neon fjord]

@gilded nova

[outer vessel]

Hey Michael! Please don't tag helpful/staff members directly.

[gilded nova]

@neon fjord

[neon fjord]

🥺

[onyx mason]

@gilded nova doch

[thorny kernel]

!latest

[outer vessel]

Latest version

5.4.30

[thorny kernel]

!moss

[outer vessel]

Essentials

Make sure you are using EssentialsX and Vault for prefixes. For any other issues with Essentials, you should seek support in either #general or the official EssentialsX support Discord.

EssentialsX Discord

https://discord.gg/casfFyh

[naive sun]

how do i set up luckperms on fabric

i have the fabric version downloaded

[thorny kernel]

you put it in your mods folder

[naive sun]

i did

[thorny kernel]

!usage

[outer vessel]

🔖 Usage

Here's a guide to help users understand and use LuckPerms for the first time.

Read more

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Usage

LuckPerms wiki

[naive sun]

but idk how to set it up like adding mods and admins

oh thanks

[sweet ocean]

Hi, I have a problem, global proxy permissions don't work for me. I put in a bungee plug and throw in a spigot plug. I connect everything to the database and unfortunately proxy permissions don't work.

[thorny kernel]

!network

[outer vessel]

🔖 Network Installation

If you run a BungeeCord network, learn how to correctly setup LuckPerms on all server instances (including Bungee).

Read more

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Network-Installation

Also read:

Syncing data between servers

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Syncing-data-between-servers

LuckPerms wiki

[onyx mason]

@potent prawn hello

[calm vector]

-72 -29 -63

[scarlet light]

@onyx mason .

[thorny kernel]

@lethal crown are there any errors in the console when you use pex with P2?

or does it just not work?

[lethal crown]

Nope. Just doesn't work.

I told them that.

P2 with PEX seems to think that users don't have the proper permission nodes, when they do.

[thorny kernel]

is it just permissions that dont work?

like does everything else work fine?

[lethal crown]

Yeah, that was literally it.

[lethal crown]

yep

Yet they seem to think the world revolves around them and wanted me to do things their way lmfao

[thorny kernel]

let me look at something rq then

[forest helm]

I mean can't really blame them for not supporting a plugin that explicitly has removed all downloads and tells people to use LP

[lethal crown]

PEX works fine though, with literally all the 70 other plugins I have.

It's worked fine and reliably since I got it.

[forest helm]

yeah ZML built it too well, stupid thing won't die

[lethal crown]

LMAO

I'd be using LuckPerms if the file format wasn't aids and was actually clean like in PEX

[lethal crown]

or rather enjoy using LuckPerms

technically I am using it now

I do like how LuckPerms actually separates usergroups into their own yaml files though

that's cleaner than PEX

[thorny kernel]

well it only does that when you use yaml

it uses a single file for every other storage method

or database if thats what your using

[lethal crown]

home hosted, don't have access to an SQL database

and the built in database it came with didn't have anything in it when I migrated

[thorny kernel]

you can easily make your own, but i wasnt suggesting you need to switch

[lethal crown]

The point is, I didn't want to switch, I've been actively avoiding using LuckPerms for the entire 6-7 years I've been running my server because I know it's aids to manage if you use the YML format.

Now, in terms of everything else, LuckPerms really isn't that bad.

[thorny kernel]

its really not bad if you get used to the way luckperms is different, and also not try shoehorining it into an existing setup

[lethal crown]

Well, again, I didn't really have a choice.

It's this or go without creative plots.

[thorny kernel]

anyways can you do /lp verbose record, then do a plotsquared command, then /lp verbose upload and send the link?

trying to see where P2 makes its permission checks in the source code

[forest helm]

Yeah I would hazard a guess that the only reason the plaintext storage methods were added were to help make transitioning from "traditional" permission plugins easier. Everything in LP can be done via the normal config or commands, and all permission management can be done with our web editor. It's not really built with text file editing in mind

[lethal crown]

https://luckperms.net/verbose/Qnnt6RMzzY

[lethal crown]

That's what I hate about LP. With PEX, I could get mass edits done in like, 5 seconds just using Notepad++ with yaml. It's slow and clunky doing it with LP outside of yaml.

[forest helm]

Depending on what kind of mass edit you mean, LP probably has a way to do so

[lethal crown]

Well

My server is very heavily focused on per-world permissions

which means disabling some defaults in those worlds

and my server has a lot of worlds

which means that in the way that LP saves that data in yaml

it's like getting kicked in the dick by multiple donkeys

because every

single

node

has a world value

opposed to with pex, where the nodes were grouped under one singular world value

which made just adding a new world with slightly different nodes piss easy

[thorny kernel]

what command did you use?

[lethal crown]

#general message

these

[thorny kernel]

no like which P2 command did you do before uploading?

[lethal crown]

I'm not sure what the answer is you're looking for, I ran /lp verbose record and then-

oh

I see

I didn't run a plotsquared command

[thorny kernel]

lol

[lethal crown]

https://luckperms.net/verbose/Qr61KN4qeK

[thorny kernel]

ok so which P2 command did you use?

[lethal crown]

./plot home

[thorny kernel]

ok so are you able to setup another server for some testing right now? i think i know what the problem might be but i want to be sure

[lethal crown]

nope

[thorny kernel]

dangm

[lethal crown]

I'm currently under DDoS threat and I'd have to fuck with TCPShield, a Google Domain, and Cloudflare to set up another server

[thorny kernel]

i mean just one that you can connect to with localhost

doesnt even need to be port forwarded or anything

[lethal crown]

I might be able to do that but it'd take a while

note to self, make server template which I can easily copy

[thorny kernel]

actually you just need your server.jar, your startup script, and thats it pretty much

and then put plotsquared and pex into the plugins folder, nothing else

[lethal crown]

so

what is it you're trying to test exactly btw

because I'm not even sure it's worth the trouble considering the clowns at P2 probably won't do fuck all about fixing it

[thorny kernel]

i might be able to fix it for you lmao

[lethal crown]

Thanks, but I sincerely doubt there's anything you or I are able to do.

It's an issue on P2's end

[thorny kernel]

anyways P2 has 2 permission handlers, a vault one and one that uses bukkits hasPermission method

[lethal crown]

according to them, they only use the Vault one

[thorny kernel]

if its what i think it is, i probably can tbh

[lethal crown]

"there's no evidence of the permissions checked when a player attempts a plot command
also, there's several instances of plot permissions being checked and returning true"
"pex doesn't support UUIDs
and yet itself
converts the player name
into a UUID in vault"
"pex is dumb and if no world is specifically provided, it doesn't check per-world permissions"
"if the permission check done by a plugin doesn't have a world, then pex shits itself if the permission is a per-world permission
(this is very badly handled by pex and is another reason to not use it...)"

direct quotes from them

[thorny kernel]

anyways if it works without vault installed, then i can force it to use the bukkit one when vault is installed

[lethal crown]

I'm also not sure where that guy got Pex not supporting UUID's from, because it most certainly does in the permissions file itself

it stores player UUIDs in addition to their usergroup(s)

and username

so either that guy was a moron or was lazy and couldn't be fucked adding support for a plugin last updated in 2016

[thorny kernel]

anyways i do know a little bit of java and P2 is open source (and written in java)

[lethal crown]

yeah it is, thankfully

so you just want me to test removing vault and running the commands?

[thorny kernel]

yeah basically

[lethal crown]

aight, I can try that once there's no one on the server

[thorny kernel]

itll probably break a lot of your setup while its not there but it should be fine once you put it back, but you might want to make a full backup of your server before you do test it just in case

[lethal crown]

that's the plan

Here's another question unrelated to that stuff.

So, I host the server on my own network and a couple of annoying furries have decided to hit me with very mild and repetitive DDoS attacks. Recently I just set up TCPShield with a Google Domain and Cloudflare. My server uses Dynmap as well, and TCPShield does not allow ports outside of 25565, and Dynmap requires a separate port. They recommended using Cloudflare for Dynmap but I'm not sure what that would entail.

[thorny kernel]

id suggest getting a server host. they usually have some form of ddos protection, and if you get one that has ftp access i think theres a way to get the ftp files to be accessible from your filesystem to use whatever text editor youd like

and then they could also help setup dynmap too

[lethal crown]

I've tried server hosts twice, they were both aids.

Home hosting is the best option

I was on their max plans too.

[thorny kernel]

which ones?

[lethal crown]

DedicatedMC and MCProHosting.

Both of which do shared hosting.

Which is not an option for me.

I've got stupid good hardware.

My server is extremely CPU and memory intensive because it has to keep track of massive moving ships.

[thorny kernel]

id check out linode. they are for like general purpose stuff but you absolutely can run a mc server off it

[lethal crown]

I'd prefer finding a way to continue hosting using my hardware but pay for just a network.

[lost patio]

life could be dream

[lethal crown]

In terms of setting up Dynmap using cloudflare, do you know how I'd do that?

[lost patio]

@pure wave
what do i do first? i already made a default group

but when my alt accoutn join in, it doesnt auto role me

[pure wave]

A) no ping

[lost patio]

ah sorry

[pure wave]

B) #support-1

[lethal crown]

Response from PlotSquared team on a 2 star review:
`PEx is unmaintained an abandoned since 2016, for almost more than 6 years by now, it's not a "niche" plugin but outdated software that's not advised to be used anymore by the creators, as outlined on their page.

If outdated software doesn't work for you, you are on your own. PlotSquared works fine with major players like LuckPerms and other modern plugin managers.`
Fuckin clowns lmao, should have predicted they'd say that despite my review specifically saying PlotSquared is the only plugin not working with PEX.

[pure wave]

I mean, I see where they are coming from

[lethal crown]

They're wrong though.

PEX is working fine.

Their plugin is not.

Yet they like to blame it on PEX despite every other plugin I have working with it.

[pure wave]

Their software isn't working with an outdated plugin

[lethal crown]

Yet everyone else's is.

[pure wave]

They can't add support for every outdated plugin

[lethal crown]

PEX literally still works even to this day.

With every other plugin.

I'm not sure what they don't understand about that lmfao.

[pure wave]

Seems they understand that

[lethal crown]

Evidently they don't.

[pure wave]

They are just saying they don't give a shit

[lethal crown]

^

They're clowns.

[pure wave]

They also have zero obligation to give a shit

[lethal crown]

"World revolves around us and if you're having issues with our plugin we won't help you 🤡"

[pure wave]

I mean, I wouldn't expect support if using stuff that's deprecated

But that's just me

[lethal crown]

it's deprecated but it works

and numerous plugins STILL provide support for it

it's just that they had the audacity to blame PEX opposed to their own plugin

and then send me through arbitrary hoops just to get a reply that they won't do fuck all

terrible support team over there

Tons of comments in the reviews saying the devs are assholes lmao.

They seem to be going down the Disney shtick of "we're favoring our company over the consumers", and it's getting them a lot of bad PR.

If it were a free plugin I'd totally understand their stance on that, but they're getting profit out of this shit, and I guarantee you the only reason anyone is buying is because there's no other half decent free plots plugin.

[forest helm]

Look PEX is unsupported by everyone except for a few snowflakes, the PEX dev explicitly tells people not to use it anymore and use LP until PEXv2 comes around. Not their fault they don't want to deal with it.

[thorny kernel]

tbf its probably vaults fault its not working, not that they have any obligation to care or fix it either

[forest helm]

(and for the reference they are under zero obligation to provide support. Is it nice? Yes. Is it something they have to do? no. Are they getting anywhere near compensated for the amount of time that's been put into it? No.)

[lethal crown]

I don't know why people keep going "Dururururhr it isn't supported". Okay, yeah, I heard the first 3 times. It still works even without support. Guess what, if I like PEX, I'm gonna use it. Dropping compatibility support for a plugin that still works and that a lot of people use is retarded.

[lethal crown]

I mean, it's a paid product. Like I said if it were free, yeah support would be nice. But they're profiting off of this shit.

And I'm not the only one having issues with their support team either lmao.

[lethal crown]

Speaking of which, that test server will be up shortly.

Hopefully I don't get my ass murked by the furries.

[thorny kernel]

bukkit stopped supporting minecraft 1.0 yet you can still play minecraft 1.0 and it works. is that a problem too?

[lethal crown]

I mean, no?

Lots of plugins still make 1.0 compatability.

But that shit is OLD old.

PEX is 2016 old and still works even NOW.

Comparing an entire game product to an extension is not an accurate comparison.

[lethal crown]

Also it doesn't seem like they're putting a whole lot of time into it if it isn't even compatible with PEX lmao.

[thorny kernel]

what plugins support 1.0 and 1.18 or 1.19?

[lethal crown]

Probably none now, but multiversion support is a common thing across all plugins.

[thorny kernel]

do you know what deprecated even means lmao

[lethal crown]

At some point yeah it makes sense to drop PEX support, but that only makes sense if it starts breaking shit on its own.

[lethal crown]

Not used or obsolete, right?

[thorny kernel]

no

[forest helm]

skimming the commits, there's at least one commit every 3 days over the last month, so yeah time is being put into it consistently

[lethal crown]

Uh huuhhh

[thorny kernel]

it means unsupported and use at your own risk

[lethal crown]

...congratulations? You just took us back to square one of this topic

it's retarded not to support it if it's working with basically everything.

[thorny kernel]

its not stupid to not support a deprecated piece of software

[lethal crown]

I mean, it clearly is. PEX is working fine, DESPITE being deprecated.

[thorny kernel]

but one day it wont

[lethal crown]

And THEN it makes sense to stop supporting it.

But currently, as is, it's working FINE.

[thorny kernel]

well no

[lethal crown]

Well, yes.

It is.

[thorny kernel]

its not working fine for you

[lethal crown]

It is. PlotsSquared is the problem.

I'm not sure why that keeps getting glossed over lmao

[forest helm]

did it fix when you switched to LP?

[lethal crown]

Yes. Which means PlotSquared does not have PEX compatibility, which is kind of what I've been bitching about this whole time?

[forest helm]

So basically PEX is not working fine?

[lethal crown]

PEX

itself

with my 70+ other plugins

is working FINE

[forest helm]

So as you said, it would make sense to drop support?

[lethal crown]

what part of "they have not added PEX compatibility" is going past you, no offense

[forest helm]

PEX on it's own might, but permission plugins are complex systems that have to hook into many platform APIs

clearly that's been broken

[lethal crown]

with PlotSquared, yes

I don't think they even bothered TRYING with PEX

you know, it being "deprecated" and all

[forest helm]

and they understandably have no interest in going out of their way to do BS on their end to fix stuff not working on PEX

[lethal crown]

It's THEIR PLUGIN not working with PEX.

[forest helm]

And how do you know that

[lethal crown]

BECAUSE PEX WORKS FINE WITH LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE?

[forest helm]

ok let's stop shouting, first of all

[lethal crown]

My mans.

I don't think you're paying any attention to what I'm saying

[thorny kernel]

i beleive the problem is vault and pex anyways, not with p2 and pex

[lethal crown]

Perhaps

I'll find out shortly

I sincerely doubt it however

[forest helm]

And just because it's visibly working, does not mean it's doing stuff right. P2 will have to do some things that go through non-standard codepaths (like vault) instead of the normal permission check stuff. It's highly likely something in PEX is broken only for those uncommon codepaths, and none of your other plugins have need to use those hence no symptoms

[lethal crown]

I'm using Multiverse, Multiverse Inventories, Multiverse Portals, EssentialsX, ChestShop, Factions, Vault, and various other plugins all work.

All of which have been continously supported to this day.

Except Factions.

[forest helm]

let's not open the can of worms that is factions lol

[lethal crown]

And you're telling me out of the 70+ plugins I have, PEX just decided to NOT work with PlotSquared?

[thorny kernel]

with all due respect, i doubt you know java and have looked into the P2 source code to see where the issue is. i however did

[lethal crown]

I do not know Java, I tried learning. Couldn't.

But the point being

[forest helm]

ok clearly you either ignored or didn't understand my message about non-standard codepaths

[lethal crown]

I don't imagine HOW P2 could be THAT much different compared to any other permission checking method in any other plugin.

Not to mention WHY they would bother doing that.

Which brings me back to the point of it being a pain in the ass for everyone using something like PEX.

[forest helm]

I can't answer why, but Frypan has apparently checked the src and that's what they're doing. If PEX's vault integration is broken, why should that be P2's problem

[lethal crown]

Well apparently it's not broken because a lot of other plugins I use have Vault dependency.

Yet, with PEX, THEY work fine.

And yes, I get that P2 has done some weird shit with code paths.

[thorny kernel]

most IS plugins use some wrappers to allow the potential of making the plugins work on other server software (like luckperms works on fabric, sponge. bukkit etc with the same code). one of these wrappers uses vault and so P2 does vaults equivalent of hasPermission, but vault has no idea how to check perms with pex, so it returns false

[forest helm]

PEX's vault integration must be either completely fucked or non-existent then for that to be the cause

no chance that's IS's fault if it works for LP

[lethal crown]

Speaking of which, you said all I'd need on the test server is vault, pex, essentials, and plotsquared right?

[thorny kernel]

just pex and p2

[lethal crown]

got it*

[thorny kernel]

if it cant find vault itll either fail to load or fallback to bukkits hasPermission method

ngl, didnt even know vault supported permission before today lmao

[forest helm]

yeah it's not really used, some of those methods don't make much sense

[thorny kernel]

probably the reason it doesnt work lol

[lethal crown]

Again I sincerely doubt it, but we'll find out rn

[thorny kernel]

again i have looked at the source code lmao

[forest helm]

oh huh, apparently PEX's Vault integration is so ancient, Milkbowl added it to vault instead of PEX addding vault support

and last commit is 2018

[lethal crown]

A Pex2 is confirmed though right?

[forest helm]

I mean it's in progress, but no ETA, being worked on as a "when I have free time" type of effort

[lethal crown]

gotcha

[rigid widget]

it's not going to happen for a very long time

[lethal crown]

:<

[rigid widget]

pretty sure the dev hasn't even looked at it beyond smelling in its general direction for years

[forest helm]

heh ok bit more poking at vault's GH, last meaningful commit to the PEX integration was 2014

[lethal crown]

wow

[thorny kernel]

itll also probably be very different from pex1 too

[forest helm]

no wonder it's fucked

[rigid widget]

LP is the future! Learn and grow, or lose your toes

[lethal crown]

as long as the file format is remotely similar

[forest helm]

(and no wonder IS doesn't want to deal with supporting it)

[lethal crown]

that'll be fine for me

[lethal crown]

please fix the yaml file format then

if I'm gonna have to use this

[rigid widget]

for what?

LP?

[lethal crown]

yes

dear god

please

[rigid widget]

as far as we know, the yaml format has no bugs or incompatibilities

[lethal crown]

my eyes burn at the individual world settings for each individual node

it's aids my man

[forest helm]

!editor

[outer vessel]

🔖 Web Editor

LuckPerms offers an easy to use, powerful Web Editor, with which you can add, delete and change permissions of groups and players.

Read more

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Web-Editor

LuckPerms wiki

[forest helm]

!commands

[outer vessel]

🔖 Command Usage

Find all of the available LuckPerms commands on the wiki.

Read more

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Command-Usage

General commands

Link

User commands

Link

Group commands

Link

Permission commands

Link

Parent commands

Link

Meta commands

Link

Track commands

Link

Log commands

Link

‎

‎

LuckPerms wiki

[rigid widget]

you don't need to set world settings on each node either.

[lethal crown]

I do for per-world permissions

[rigid widget]

just add nodes to a group and add that group to a player with the world context

[lethal crown]

I miss the simplicity of PEX

[rigid widget]

or add the group as a parent of ANOTHER group with the world context, then give it to the players

[forest helm]

(or add that group to another group)

[lethal crown]

all of this weird grouping and parent stuff is confusing

[rigid widget]

there are like six ways to do it

it's only confusing because you have not and refuse (until now) to learn it

it was confusing to me at first too, but now it makes total sense, and PEX feels icky

[lethal crown]

it's confusing because with pex it was simpler

I just set up usergroups with a fuckton of organized nodes

and then copied all the nodes

for individual worlds

[rigid widget]

copied and re-copied data is a messy way to deal with permissions

using groups and contexts, you just type it once and provide it to who needs it

[thorny kernel]

nooo there should be an intuitive way do something, and that should be the only way!

[rigid widget]

I promise that reading the wiki and learning this system with our help isn't impossible, and will be a lot more useful to you in the long run than pining over the days of PEX

[rigid widget]

depending on your intuitions, there is a way to do it for everyone

[thorny kernel]

(i was joking about python developers)

[forest helm]

lol

[outer vessel]

Please use https://pastes.dev to send files in the future. I have automatically uploaded permissions.yml for you: https://pastes.dev/Wy2p2aoZA6

[lethal crown]

that in itself is definitely messy

but it's all linear

and as long as you bother categorizing shit

it's easy to find

[thorny kernel]

im pretty sure they wont add a ++ operator because += 1 is "intuitive"

[lethal crown]

that's why LP is superior in the sense that each individual usergroup gets their own yaml file

but god do I ever wish it was formatted like PEX

[rigid widget]

unfortunately PEX's formatting led to inefficiencies and pain for a lot of server owners, and the only reason it doesn't feel that way for you is because you learned how to bypass or overcome them. but redundant data is dumb no matter what you're storing, and the formatting in LP is designed with a rational structure and efficiency in mind that PEX never cared for

[forest helm]

I mean as I said earlier today, the plaintext storage methods are not the intended way of interacting with LP data, but either way, what Larry was explaining was the more sane way of handling many permissions with contexts

side note just had to restart PC incl Discord, is it just me or did they change the font?

[lethal crown]

well it's the fastest way I do things

[rigid widget]

you can get much much faster with the editor

it's like hand-sawing vs table saw

it's complicated to start up and get used to but FAST

[forest helm]

I won't bother arguing editor vs plaintext since there are pros and cons for each (assuming single server), but larry's suggestion of compiling all per-server permissions into one group and then adding just that group as a parent with the contexts is the easy way of dealing with lots of data with contexts

[thorny kernel]

make a default_<worldname> group, make default inherit that with a context, bam, organization

[lethal crown]

Here's the thing though, my players are able to get different kits at different ranks. Some worlds kit commands are disabled. Different commands will be disabled in different worlds depending on usergroup or the world.

[forest helm]

yup, but I assume those can all be pretty well grouped up?

[thorny kernel]

thats literally what contexts do

[lethal crown]

dunno

[forest helm]

so you make groups for each of those different conditions, toss all the permissions into those, and then add that group to the appropiate "public-facing" group with the nessecary contexts

[lethal crown]

it seems like more can go wrong with that opposed to just reliably organizing permission nodes in a text editor and then negating them based on world and/or usergroup.

[thorny kernel]

i dont see how that could go wrong at all once its setup

[lethal crown]

either way, I prefer the simplicity of pex

[thorny kernel]

obv you can mess up the setup, but its not too complicated

[lethal crown]

it's definitely sloppier in its own way

[forest helm]

yeah LP can be as simple or as complex as you want. You seem to want a more advanced setup, so you're understandably going to need to do some slightly more advanced things

[lethal crown]

opposed to pex where doing that was simple

[rigid widget]

again, simple for you, who knows pex

there's not much point arguing about how much pex is awesome and lp sucks though, it's not going to do anything

[lethal crown]

someone send me an example of this context n groups thing

[thorny kernel]

please remember that LP is not trying to work the same way as pex

[rigid widget]

!context

[outer vessel]

🔖 Context

You can set a permission or group on a per-world/per-server basis, through what we call "contexts".

Read more

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Context

LuckPerms wiki

[lethal crown]

lp doesn't suck, it's just weird in its own way

so is pex

[lethal crown]

I meant in a text editor

[thorny kernel]

lp and pex are structred very differently

[lethal crown]

I want to SEE it

since I'll be using yaml 100% of the time

[rigid widget]

I have no idea how to do this in a text editor

as a YAML pioneer, I might suggest learning how to convert between editor-usable h2 and yaml, and trying it out in the editor

if you don't like it, swap back to yaml and see how it's been formatted

[lethal crown]

dunno if that's possible on a home hosted server

[rigid widget]

sure is

!switch

[outer vessel]

🔖 Switching storage types

If you wish to change your storage type (e.g. to YAML or MySQL) you may need to follow these instructions to ensure your groups and permissions are migrated to the new storage type.

Read more

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Switching-storage-types

Read more about the Storage types

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Storage-types

LuckPerms wiki

[lethal crown]

and I prefer yaml anyway

[rigid widget]

i know you do!

but if you want to see the exact structure you'll be dealing with for contexts and inheritance, one of the best ways I know how is to put it in the editor and then switch to yaml

[thorny kernel]

yaml is pretty shoehorned into lp

[rigid widget]

literally just "put my data structure into yaml" as told by the code to the storage impl

pure machine-made and machine-readable

[forest helm]

Don't need to switch backend lang for that though. Can add in editor and save, LP doesn't care what backend you're using

[lethal crown]

this seems needlessly complicated for what I'm trying to do

[rigid widget]

while you're technically correct, I've heard of the editor having major issues with hand-edited yaml

[lethal crown]

plotsquared has worldedit as a dependency

[forest helm]

well yeah there's a shocker

[lethal crown]

so there's that

[forest helm]

but I mean hand-edited yaml is always a problem

[thorny kernel]

well add worldedit then

[lethal crown]

yep

[forest helm]

this is pretty much boiling down to "LP was not meant for plaintext human-editable files for permission configuration"

[rigid widget]

It's not needlessly complicated - it's exactly as complicated as it needs to be to make this possible in a user-friendly way. While I'm not sure why you hate the editor, not having learned and tried it, there's a reason we recommend it so highly: we have a lot of practice providing support for it. The yaml side of LP is there for the people who want it, but we'd be lying if we said we were expert

the editor just makes things so easy for us (and everyone else who uses the plugin) that we don't have a need to learn or provide support for the machine-made yaml format

[lethal crown]

With PEX, all you have to do is, okay find the permission node, find the usergroup you wanna slap that under, boom, done.

[rigid widget]

not quite

[lethal crown]

No, yes quite.

It is LITERALLY that simple.

That is how I've been doing it for 6 years.

And it's worked fine.

[rigid widget]

because if you want world-dependent contexts, you need to provide that separately

[lethal crown]

Oh whoop dee doo

so add the tiny little world sub category

add it there

boom

done

[rigid widget]

and if you want certain permissions to apply to groups in certain ways, you need to do that independently too

[rigid widget]

this is literally contexts

[lethal crown]

except that's something you can use across MULTIPLE usergroups

you guys have isolated that as its weird thing it sounds like

[rigid widget]

you're all aggressive about our software, so I'm going to call it here: either you use LP and ask questions about LP, and learn LP, or you can try to shoehorn a dead project into serving you

[lethal crown]

kind of like a library

[rigid widget]

more complaining and trying to get us to change the software won't do anything

[lethal crown]

how is giving an opinion aggressive?

what?

lmao ok

[rigid widget]

It's the way it is

we cannot change that

we don't even want to!

[lethal crown]

which is why I don't care for LP

[rigid widget]

and that's your choice

but if you want a working permissions system, you can learn LP like absolutely everyone else running a server

I didn't like learning it, but I had to, and here I am

there's zero point continuing to complain and express the exact same opinion that LP is weird, or sucks, or that we should change how the whole thing works to be more like pex

[lethal crown]

that kind of just reinforces my point about how LP is the permissions plugin nobody wants to use but ends up having to lmao

[rigid widget]

nobody wanted to switch off pex cause they knew it

[lethal crown]

yes

and it was simple

a bit clunky, but simple

[rigid widget]

MY point is that it's hard to learn new things, but this isn't one of those things that people learn and regret

[lethal crown]

I'll have to take your word for it then

[rigid widget]

it's a great system and works incredibly well, no matter what you want to do with it

you can also read the reviews on spigot, or check out the stars on github, or whatever else

[thorny kernel]

luckperms can also be simple and clunky

[lethal crown]

seems like it's gonna take 5x the effort to do what I did with PEX, so