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drowsy quest
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Then frankly they absolutely should monitor. Because failures are expected

vocal rivet
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Privacy says otherwise, they can't just monitor the hardware of every user, since that would mean some kind of access to the server

drowsy quest
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Not through IPMI

vocal rivet
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The mainboard needs to support IPMI, and servers from SB are consumer hardware that is connected to a PSU and the drives, you can even see that in their 360° server tour

drowsy quest
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"SB"?

vocal rivet
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ServerBörse

drowsy quest
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I mean I can see that not monitoring stuff from that is ok

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But normal off the shelf servers from them?

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C'mon

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No excuse there

vocal rivet
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STill excused because as you can read from the article above, IPMI is a very insecure protocol, it offers a lot more then just hardware reading, you can also use it to access the console, which is why datacenters preffer to disable IPMI unless asked otherwise by the user. If you take a look at other hosters besides OVH, most are not monitoring the hardware for the users ( unless its a VPS obviously )

btw, the PX series of hetzner servers come with a IPMI interface ( so don't get that xP )
https://docs.hetzner.com/de/robot/dedicated-server/maintainance/ipmi/

drowsy quest
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And OVH uses the console access as a feature. I can open my own server console any time through a secure tunnel

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And I mean if you don't trust your server hoster with treating IPMI confidently, then why are you using them?

vocal rivet
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You are giving up privacy for comfort. SSH + Putty is enough

The No.1 rule in the IT is to trust nobody, that also includes your hosters. Errors can always happen, either by human mistake or by faulty software. I know for a fact that just one other person besides me can access my server.

Example given:
https://www.databreaches.net/fr-ovh-systems-hacked-customer-data-stolen/

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I did a internship at the KRZ Lippe, all data sensetive servers use a raid-1 with at least 4 drives, two brand new, one used and one old, to minimize the risk of them all failing at once

drowsy quest
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You are giving up privacy for comfort
That's always the deal.

Now while it is true that tapping into this data has it's potential security flaws and implications you still have to understand that through IPMI you still don't get access to the server at least not without rebooting the system.
And trust me. Other companies use IPMI too. Else rebooting a server from the webinterface is impossible

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OVH just goes the extra mile and monitors hardware health

vocal rivet
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When IPMI is used, it is always used internally, because it is a insecure protocol. If you were to expose it to the public, you can be sure that it wouldnt take long to access it. There are a lot of alternatives out there that have a better security, but ipmi is the only unified standard for hardware monitoring. Thats why I stay with my statement, use Nagios or Zabbix which can be end-to-end encrypted

drowsy quest
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Again. They have their own secured network for IPMI

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Where every server is completely isolated

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They don't even run over the same switches

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I mean normal network and IPMI

vocal rivet
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I never trust anybody when they say "Its 100% secure", I don't even trust myself, because most databreaches have been caused due to human error, let it just be that the admin is sleepy and does a command typo
( I once accidentally did chown -R someuser:somegroup .* because I was way too tired and just wanted all hidden files to change the ownership, but I ended up changing the folder ownerships across the whole server, the system did not boot anymore after that )

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And for the switches, one wrong placed network cable could expose it to the public

drowsy quest
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I never trust anybody when they say "Its 100% secure"
I don't and they didn't either. It's just that I know of measures to protect IPMI.

I don't know what measures Hetzner takes to protect their IPMI interfaces. Because again, they absolutely use them

drowsy quest
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You'd need trunk access to exploit that

vocal rivet
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You do know that you can boot servers with WOL? and there is also the possibility of them having connected something to the power and reset putton to access it from remote

drowsy quest
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WOL
When the server has only 1 network interface?
Also how would that solve the issue of rebooting a stuck server?

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there is also the possibility of them having connected something to the power and reset putton to access it from remote
Good one

vocal rivet
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I have no idea how they actually do it, but it is deffinetly not IPMI, my server does not support it

drowsy quest
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Well in that case they have a controllable PSU

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Most likely controlled over IPMI

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Because that's the standard

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But again, custom server hardware is not what we're talking about

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We're talking about the off the shelf hardware you get when you just order a normal server

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No way in hell does that get touched even once after it's been placed in the rack

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The staff cost alone would double their prices

vocal rivet
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You do know that a hard-reset literally means that someone is walking to your server to press the power button? ( which is why it takes a while )
a soft reset means that a ctrl-alt-delete gets sent to your server, the standard of rebooting a machine ( unless its windows lolz )
and a shutdown machine .. well I learned the hard way that a hardware reset and a soft reset does not start the system up anymore. I had to call the datacenter to start the server again after I accidentally shut it down <.<

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WOL is disabled on my machine which is why that didn't work either

drowsy quest
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Jesus

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And that's why IPMI is great

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You can do all that from anywhere

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And honestly the remote hard reset for every hoster I ever used, including hetzner was done in seconds

vocal rivet
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As you know, the PX series of Hetzner does have a IPMI interface, the other servers don't, the SB also doesnt because its consumer hardware in 80% of the cases

drowsy quest
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So again, for their off the shelf servers I gurantuee you they use IPMI or some other network protocol to control the hardware

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SB is so utterly irrelevant for this discussion

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Why are you even bringing it up?

vocal rivet
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The PX series is just a tiny part of hetzners network, there is also the AX, EX, Dell and SX Line. Just the PX line has IPMI interfaces the other lines don't, and that info comes straight from their wikipedia

drowsy quest
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Alright

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Then they have other tools to remotely control them

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The fact that those allow it to select what source to boot from is enough to be a security concern in either way

vocal rivet
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IPMI is the unified standard, but not the only avaiable solution

drowsy quest
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Sure

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Again, then they use an alternative

vocal rivet
drowsy quest
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Same issues nonetheless

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Did you ever rent a normal server?

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From them

vocal rivet
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That is a normal server ...

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AX51

drowsy quest
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Jesus

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How backwards

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Ok I take it back and acknowledge Hetzner is using stone age technology instead

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I much rather have my hoster use the IPMI interface of my server to give me a remote console and for them to ensure working hardware

vocal rivet
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IPMI is the stone age technology, because it comes from a time where internet encryption was just a idea of someones head. IPMI is a insecure and unencrypted protocol, and every IT expert will advise you to abandon it for more modern ( but not standardized ) solutions

drowsy quest
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Using isolted networks is fine too, just saying

vocal rivet
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HP has iLO, Oracle ilom, and dell some thing I can't remember the name of

drowsy quest
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And who knows. They may used encrypted protcols by now

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I called 5 years ago

vocal rivet
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ipmi cannot be encrypted, it is simply not possible with that protocol

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oh wait

drowsy quest
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You can wrap everything in a TLS wrapper

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You just need something to do it

vocal rivet
drowsy quest
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But again not necessary if you isolate the interface

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Encryption is only relevant if you don't trust the transmission

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And network traffic running through your own hardware throughly isolated seems certainly trustworthy to me

vocal rivet
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You know I amma stop right here, because there is nothing else I can say that wouldn't be inappropriate.

drowsy quest
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As an alternative you can create an encrypted tunnel

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I mean what's your point?

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We have 5 years ago that they used IPMI on a separate network

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That was completely isolated from the internet and each server was additionally isolated from eachother

drowsy quest
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There's a good chance that by now they either switched protocols or upgraded to encrypted tunnels

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So even 5 years ago the only way to exploit this would be if a malicious tech got into that network.

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Frankyl just walking over to the servers would be easier, but ok

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I mean even if you managed to get two IPMI interfaces on the same network, what could you even do with that? @vocal rivet

outer vesselBOT
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Hey BrainStone! Please don't tag helpful/staff members directly.

drowsy quest
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That's the thing

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Network isolation beats encryption any day

onyx mason
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hm yes

woeful willow
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How was your week Aber

vocal rivet
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"5 years ago" ahha

drowsy quest
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?

onyx mason
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it was okay deen

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this is technically my weekend now sunday-monday peepoHappy

drowsy quest
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What's wrong with that statement?

woeful willow
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My weekend is sun-wed, my working days are thu,fri, and sat

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Feels good 🙂

onyx mason
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thats a lovely schedule

drowsy quest
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All I'm saying is that that's how it was 5 years ago, because when I was on the phone with a tech back then I asked and he explained

onyx mason
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self employed?

woeful willow
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Employed by a pest control company

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13 hour days

drowsy quest
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I'm not saying that they 100% changed it, but there's a good chance

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And again, network isolation beats encryption any day of the week

vocal rivet
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just 5 months ago you said you were not sure about that, and now you say you know since 5 years ... yeah, right

drowsy quest
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There's a thing called memory

woeful willow
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Anyway Aber, what do you do for a living?

drowsy quest
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When starting this conversation I hadn't quite brought back all memories

onyx mason
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i am an iphone technician at an aasp

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and a full time student

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no perm career yet ¯_(ツ)_/¯

drowsy quest
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I mean I don't know about you but when bringing up a topic I don't immediately bring back all memories. Some need a bit of a push

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So again, what even is your point?

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That comfort features are bad?

gilded nova
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Youre so petty brain.

drowsy quest
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How?

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@gilded nova

gilded nova
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Look at yourself mate and calm down a bit. No need to get so fired up over someone's opinion on encryption 🤣

drowsy quest
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You missed the whole conversation

gilded nova
drowsy quest
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And I'm not even close to being fired up

gilded nova
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Do you do anything else other than replacing screens and sending iPhones to Apple for anything else? Lol

onyx mason
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sometimes

gilded nova
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:0

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I read the whole thing 🤣

drowsy quest
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It just kinda grinds my gears when someone brings up a point and resorts to absurd cases to defend it

onyx mason
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most of my day is spent dealing with entitled people who lie to me about "what apple said" aka "apple said i would get a new phone"

drowsy quest
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While at the same time not addressing the main argument/point

gilded nova
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youre still going

drowsy quest
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That is correct

vocal rivet
drowsy quest
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Why'd you ever migrate away from them?

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Except you only mean issues

gilded nova
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I have a bungeecord network, and my bedwars servers is 1.8.8 but when i try to connect to it by doing "/server Bedwars-1" and im on 1.16.4 it says "Outdated, im on {0}" but i want to cutomize what it says or at least make it says which version its on.

gilded nova
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spigot.yml @gilded nova

forest helm
gilded nova
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Im having hard time making decission lmfao

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Which of this do you recommnend for the server: 2x 2TB hdd or 2x 512gb nvme

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Since i don't know if you can upgrade with hetzner later or not

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Or at least add more storage

forest helm
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SSD, HDDs don't have the speeds needed for MC if memory serves

gilded nova
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So somehow doesn't matter ?

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Since i'm going with amd ryzen 5 3600 hexa-core, 64gb ddr4 package

rigid widget
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Go with the non-hdd option

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If you use a hard disk, it will likely be your bottleneck regardless of other specs

gilded nova
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So i should go with nvme?

rigid widget
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Yeah

gilded nova
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Oh yeah this hetzner is op

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I was using server4you but this hosting is next level

unreal rapids
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Anyone know of a good quests/tasks plugin with daily/weekly random quests/tasks? Just simple things like tasks to mine blocks/kill mobs. Done a lot of looking on google and spigot website haven't come across quite what I'm looking for

gilded nova
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Quests

gilded nova
gilded nova
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Whatever you want

gilded nova
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Does anyone knows maybe why on hetzner ubuntu 18.04 is so slow downloading packages ? I have amd ryzen 5 3600 with 64gb ram and 2x 512 nvme ssd...

modest compass
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maybe your network is slow...?

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or their server side network is slow.

gilded nova
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half the internet went down about two hours ago lol

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Um you joking right fefo?

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Ben my internet is fine lol 🙂

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no I'm not

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Waitttt so you're saying like whole world lost internet or just got spiked for a bit??

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afaik google had a lot of services down

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mainly auth services

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Umm strange

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Did this ever happened before ? 👀

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means it cascaded to a whole lots of other services that rely on them

modest compass
steady tangle
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Discord crapped itself too

real kraken
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I see that a similar question has been asked before, but does anyone know how to edit the setting about group default always having access to permissions regarding the plugin called Auction House? I really wanna set this to false but cannot figure out how to. My last option is to ban the command globally but think it would be smoother without 🙂

gilded nova
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!verbose will help you :) @real kraken

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spring creek
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!help

outer vesselBOT
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Available commands:

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!default
!downloads
!editor
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!errors
!essentials
!extensions
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craggy aspen
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@spring creek I can dm you the server invite to pebblehost if you want

spring creek
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ok

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Go ahead

real kraken
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Thanks

gilded nova
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what is a fallback server and what is a default server (bungeecord)

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And also how do i change the the tablist to only show the players inside your server/service? "tab_list: GLOBAL_PING"

twin warren
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finally got around to adding icons for the rest of them \o/

onyx mason
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\o/

twin warren
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definitely didn't just use emojis

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definitely not

gilded nova
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lol well played

potent prawn
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Lmao. MS emojis do be nice tho

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Wish I could use them on my phone

trail shuttle
gilded nova
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tf is that

trail shuttle
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Stickers

gilded nova
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right..

onyx mason
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me when i see fefo

gilded nova
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lol

potent prawn
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Why do corporations think that anyone wants stickers

onyx mason
twin warren
drowsy quest
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@gilded nova

outer vesselBOT
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Hey BrainStone! Please don't tag helpful/staff members directly.

gilded nova
drowsy quest
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Very important stuff right up there

twin warren
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there's no need for that lol

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I am already on board with the idea

drowsy quest
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Good

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Finally

onyx mason
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lol

drowsy quest
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You have no idea how much pain that caused me. With explaining how to make things work for BungeeChat

twin warren
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I can imagine

drowsy quest
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Like I lost count of how many times this happended:
User: Hey I'd like to make per server ranks work with BungeeChat. I have assigned the groups per server but BungeeChat is not picking up (more often than not worded in the most confusing way so I have to spend 5 minutes figuring out that that's what they actually want)
Me: cries internally Ok listen... writes a 3 part novel explaining how they can do it the easiest way
U: I don't understand. Why can't things just work?

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Luckily most people were pretty understanding that that isn't my fault, but I've seen plenty of people that didn't use my plugin or stopped using LP over this

gilded nova
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Are there any good GUI plugins? I want to use citizens to make NPCs that open GUIs. I want the GUIs to be really customizable, but i would only need it to do commands, specifically bungeecord commands.

short warren
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ChestCommands or deluxe menus?

normal surge
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if you think about it... isn't text just 2d graphics

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making every plugin a GUI plugin >:)

gilded nova
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what

potent prawn
gilded nova
forest helm
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Deluxe Menus is nice, I've used it in the past.

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Keep in mind though that it's not possible to have a backend-level plugin run bungee commands, given how bungee handles them.

gilded nova
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pluginmsg :]

short warren
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i dont think it was bungee commands like that, most likely just sending players from one lobby to another

gilded nova
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things like that are possible with plugin messaging 👆

short warren
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the ⏯️ was too dark

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but still got me to click it 🤦‍♂️

mystic canyon
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Any here good with c#?

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tbh me and a few others have been making games for a bit and our 2nd programmer is a father now and left the squad. we have a new game idea fully worked out on paper and we could really use a person to fill in. not looking for any pros just someone who whats to help make fun games, maybe for experience or possible for a portfolio. if you want further details feel free to DM me.

short warren
potent prawn
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i can see very sharp

modest compass
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🤦‍♂️

potent prawn
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well it's a bit hard with a hand on your face

modest compass
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🙈

potent prawn
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C-

bold sparrow
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😂

drowsy quest
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What if I told you that C-- exists?

gilded nova
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duh

gilded nova
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So deluxemenua cant run bungeecord commands? (/server <player> or /send <player>) ??

manic phoenix
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he
[5:32 AM]
y
[5:32 AM]
so can i just add lunatrius and schematica to my server file manager?
[5:33 AM]
or if not whats the best schematica there?

manic phoenix
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anyone know a good oil rig from rust like a map?

gray schooner
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What is the best anticheat there is? Free or Paid. Prefer free, but paid versions could be okay too.

surreal aspen
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./ban

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it's free

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for an antixray, paper's built in antixray is nice, for a general anticheat idk

onyx mason
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Hi

karmic ingot
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but thats on the playerlist

still stirrup
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oh ya

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hmm

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it might be that your nicked

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unnick and see

karmic ingot
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k

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nop

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still doesent show up

still stirrup
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idk then

karmic ingot
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odd

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does essentials have discord?

gilded nova
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!moss

outer vesselBOT
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Essentials

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karmic ingot
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ty

gilded nova
remote vault
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I need help my server console keeps crashing

gilded nova
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!pasteit

outer vesselBOT
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Please use pastebin!

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For console errors:

Pastebin any relevant segments of the console log. If it's a startup error, this includes the entire startup log!

Other errors:

Pastebin the entire LuckPerms config file (passwords removed) as well as any other relevant files!

gilded nova
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Here banHammer

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jk ily CH_PandaLove

torn lynx
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Hi,someone knows nametagedit? I have a problem that I don’t know how to solve

quiet kettle
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For developing a plugin at paperspigot, is it different than spigot?

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My plugin is working at spigot but not at paper xd

vocal rivet
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how did you manage to do that?

quiet kettle
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idk, first plugin

vocal rivet
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This shouldn't happen

gilded nova
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Different MC versions, most probably

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Paper has no API breaking changes

quiet kettle
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okey hm

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I will continue investigating

gilded nova
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You know what does have API breaking changes? mmlul

quiet kettle
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yes xD

gilded nova
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anyone here know anything about grief prevention the plugin/mod im tryna set the initial claim blocks with the claim options command ingame but it just isnt working

winter pier
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@vapid holly abre dm para hablarte me tuvo que contactar un miembro de tu comunidad para avisarme ._. y te conteste que no tengo sistema de tickets tambien explica tu problema si vas a contactar sino no presto atencion

deft cobalt
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Best known anti vpn right now?

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I use antivpn but

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wondering if theres anything better

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premium is fine

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Also this is the wrong discord but i guess its still valid in offtopic lmao

short warren
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Egg 82s anti on is good from what I've heard

deft cobalt
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Been suggested gatekeeper

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anyone tried it?

gilded nova
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@short warren cute cat man

short warren
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lol tyty

tidal ferry
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ok.

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I have come to ask for help in setting up permissions

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never ever done rlly much with plugins and stuff for a mc server

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so pretty much no previous knowledge in this field

forest helm
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!usage is what you probably want then

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tidal ferry
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ok. ive setup the group name i want

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now where do i add permissions for i.e multiplehome

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i looked at the wiki, but i cant find it in the config. file

modest compass
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you first need a plugin with multiplehomefeature

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then look into the docs for their permission node

tidal ferry
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i have essentialsx

modest compass
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then set it with commands or editor

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!editor

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onyx mason
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hi

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turbo

gilded nova
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papi

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Can someone tell me what PAPI and vault extension is.

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Someone on essentials told me that to show the balance of a player on the right hand side, you have to use a placeholder plugin like PAPI and use a vault extension.
Do you know what PlaceholderAPI is for?

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Nope

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String of text ig.

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It lets you put placeholder text in things like scoreboards, tab list, etc, that will be replaced based on some status

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How can I use it?

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I basically want to show the player's balance on the right.

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Right, so you get a scoreboard plugin that supports PAPI placeholders

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A scoreboard plugin hmm.

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Is that what a vault extension is?

gilded nova
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Vault is a bridge plugin that lets plugins communicate with the server economy and permissions

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and there is a PAPI expansion that provides placeholders for it

gilded nova
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(well not quite but there is a link to them in there)

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So basically.

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Theres a plugin that manages the scores.

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Theres a plugin that formats the scores in placeholders

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And vault is the bridge between them

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@gilded nova ?

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Hey TheLoneWalker.! Please don't tag helpful/staff members directly.

gilded nova
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Yeah you could put it like that, yea

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And the steps to set them up are in the links I suppose?

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Could you help with the setup if they arent.

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!papi you could ask in the #placeholder-api if you need more help with it, I'm sure they'll help with it more than I will lol

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gilded nova
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ty.

remote vault
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I need help people cant join my server even though they have the correct ip

bold sparrow
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That makes no sense

trail shuttle
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Mob farms

bold sparrow
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At least not to me

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Ohh

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Ah lol

gilded nova
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"Ohh" joystroke

bold sparrow
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Still doesn’t really make sense

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Since you’d never use fire/lava at the bottom

gilded nova
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Iron farms :]

bold sparrow
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Then it’s two blocks up tho

gilded nova
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It's still lava at the bottom

bold sparrow
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Fact Checker™️ by Instagram™️ has marked this post as fake news

gilded nova
steady tangle
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You're fake news

gilded nova
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who angry2

trail shuttle
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You

short warren
gilded nova
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jk ily Kanna_Heart

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besides

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you cleaned your notifications so 😌

steady tangle
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Fefo is ban-hungry

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I'll let you ban me 😚

potent prawn
gilded nova
bold sparrow
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Ive won like 150 eur

short warren
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ok

gilded nova
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They should make sinking cones a competitive sport

modest compass
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!usage for me

outer vesselBOT
gilded nova
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okay ben wth

modest compass
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not for me for me

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but for me to get the link

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to send to someone at moss

gilded nova
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ben you disappoint me

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wow

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I thought you knew

modest compass
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😭

quiet kettle
#

hi!!

#

is this good programmed? Wherever I do /plugin spawn

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It sais that there isn´t a spawn set

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(else condition that it´s not shown in the code)

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But when i do /plugin setspawn it works

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and it stores the spawn data at config.yml

trail shuttle
#

!paste whole code

outer vesselBOT
#
Please use pastebin!

Seeing a paste of the problem makes everything so much easier! Use https://bytebin.lucko.me/ for easy pasting!

For console errors:

Pastebin any relevant segments of the console log. If it's a startup error, this includes the entire startup log!

Other errors:

Pastebin the entire LuckPerms config file (passwords removed) as well as any other relevant files!

trail shuttle
quiet kettle
#

there u are 😄

trail shuttle
#

Does yourpluginname:spawn work?

quiet kettle
#

nop

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it works setspawn

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when I do that cmd

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It goes to the else condition

trail shuttle
#

Are you saving the config when you setspawn

quiet kettle
#

and it sais: plugin.nombre+ChatColor.GREEN+" No se ha establecido un spawn del servidor"

#

yes

quiet kettle
modest compass
#

well it means that config.contains("Config.Spawn.x") is returning false

#

maybe send the config file over?

quiet kettle
#
  mensaje-bienvenida: true
  mensaje:
    bienvenida-texto: Welcome!
  spawn:
    x: -194.63744494372153
    y: 70.0
    z: 59.24968755990723
    world: world
    yaw: -184.99825
    pitch: -2.5500026 ```
modest compass
#

spawn is lowercase

quiet kettle
#

lol

#

true

#

that´s the problem

#

I´m going to fix it

trail shuttle
#

!sync 4 me

outer vesselBOT
trail shuttle
#

!network also

outer vesselBOT
gilded nova
short warren
#

could be a lunar client thing

#

but should be possible using a plugin

gilded nova
#

Hi

gilded nova
#

!rank

outer vesselBOT
#

Sorry! I do not understand the command !rank
Type !help for a list of commands.

gilded nova
#

they dont have MEE6?

steady tangle
#

this is a discord for a plugin, not some bot fun commands

gilded nova
#

ok

potent prawn
#

lol mee6 sucks

gilded nova
#

ouch

#

How do i block commands and customize the respond they get both when the command is blocked or it is an unknown command ?

drowsy quest
#

You need a plugin for that

gilded nova
#

Ok

dire spade
#

kek

drowsy quest
#

Inspect element can be fun

dire spade
#

Yeah

potent prawn
#

is being gay not good?

gilded nova
#

Being gay is fine

dire spade
#

Heheh

#

Red luckperms

#

Cool right?

short warren
#

looks a little odd, although cool

gilded nova
#

whack

past sleet
#

anyone here know about chunk error/border or know where i can ask about them because my server started getting these at new chunks even tho its only been in 1.16

#

nvm level file corruption

onyx mason
#

yatopia moment

forest helm
#

lol

steel pelican
#

Don't use minehut. Simple. They are horrible. Without a proper console access, you cannot properly manage a server.

#

Welp deal with having no console.

#

Nope

#

!usage

outer vesselBOT
steel pelican
#

!nowildcard

outer vesselBOT
gilded nova
#

Is it just me or does Discord no longer mark channels as read when you scroll to the bottom?

#

Turns out Discord just doesn't like me using two browser tabs ¯_(ツ)_/¯

gilded nova
#

oof

modest compass
#

!context for me

outer vesselBOT
gilded nova
#

When im on 1.8.9 inside my lobby server and try to join a server with 1.16.4 it says my client is outdated and which version its on (1.16.4) but when i am on 1.16.4 and try to join 1.8.8 it just says something like "Outdated im still on {0}" and not which version.

Im 99.99% sure its this:

outdated-client: Outdated client! Please use {0}
outdated-server: Outdated server! I'm still on {0}

So how do i fix this?

trail shuttle
#

Probably a bug in spigot

gilded nova
#

Ok

gilded nova
frank turret
#

I'm not stupid

gilded nova
#

Don't you tell me you fell for it lmao

#

Oh nvm I'm the stupid, I read "I'm so stupid" kekw

frank turret
#

I've seen that so many times lol

forest helm
#

0/10 no rick roll

gilded nova
#

how do i make armor stands look like i want? (e.g both arms up in the air the exact way i want)

#

Get a plugin like ASTools

#

Ye

gilded nova
#

why does it show "unknown command /help etc.. when i click on it after i have done: /ascmd assign player open bedwarsgui

#

and i have a gui menu with the command /open bedwarsgui

last locust
#

Can you not filter packages in Spark web anymore?

twin warren
#

No, I recently switched to a rewritten version of the viewer

#

it doesn't support filtering yet

last locust
#

Ahh, okay.

#

Looking forward to having that back 😄

twin warren
#

Noted, I wasn't sure how frequently it was used tbh

#

although I still think it was worth sacrificing in the short term for the better responsiveness of the new version

last locust
#

Yeah that's fine. I use it a lot to just filter packages so I don't have to click 50 buttons to find what I want 😛

gilded nova
drowsy quest
#

404

gilded nova
#

oh i will send new one

drowsy quest
gilded nova
#

ok

sand bridge
#

is brain stoner free?

drowsy quest
#

Note the lack of an "r" at the end of my name

gilded nova
#

Do anyone here know about any good free terror in troubleville/trouble in mineville plugins?

bold sparrow
#

BrainStoned

drowsy quest
#

Imma stone you

gilded nova
#

Anybody here knows anything about the Armor Stand Tools plugin?

outer vesselBOT
#

Hey TutoFarm! Please don't tag helpful/staff members directly.

gilded nova
#

what

#

I think WorldGuardExtraFlags has a flag for that

#

For effects

#

Well me neither

#

rg flag <region> <flag which idk the name> <effects idk>

#

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

#

Mhm

sand bridge
#

im guessing they meant pets mart ?

onyx mason
#

Both and neither

short warren
gilded nova
#

Since im unlucky i should get mod manythink

modest compass
#

!weights for my

outer vesselBOT
#

LuckPerms allows you to set weights in order to determine the priority of certain nodes, like permissions and even prefixes. A higher weight number is a higher priority.

marble wind
#

I fixed the skins problem, all it took was the skin restorer plugin

onyx mason
trail shuttle
#

online-mode to true would've fixed it

marble wind
#

It is on online mode

#

that's weird

#

I turned it to online mode on and it put it to false

gray schooner
#

What's the best multiple world plugin that is simple to use? (Tag me whenever you reply)

trail shuttle
#

Multiverse @gray schooner

gilded nova
#

Hyperverse bancat

onyx mason
#

Hyperverse vibing_cat

drowsy quest
gilded nova
#

This error was in the proxy console btw

trail shuttle
#

Scoreboard

gilded nova
#

so its the plugins scoreboard ?

trail shuttle
#

Or teams

gilded nova
#

Do any1 here know how i could show a motd of another server inside my lobby server (maybe a placeholder or something)

short warren
#

What do you mean by another server inside your server?

#

Like you want bungeecord to passthrough the motd of a backend server?

vast isle
gilded nova
gilded nova
#

%bungeemotd_survival% is just an example

quiet kettle
#

Hi!

```jugador.sendMessage(ChatColor.translateAlternateColorCodes('&', config.getString(mensaje)).replaceAll("%player%", jugador.getName()));`````

Hi! Why when I do that I can´t use colours? I put for example.. &a or &4 before the text and it´s not working hm

#

jugador means Player btw

#

%player% as a variable is not working and the translateAlternateColorCodes either

drowsy quest
#

I'd recommend you keep your code in English throughout

quiet kettle
#

yeah I´m learning

drowsy quest
#

Then it's especially important

quiet kettle
#

okey, I will do it for next time

#

But you know why it´s not working?

drowsy quest
#

What MC version?

quiet kettle
#

1.8

drowsy quest
#

Oh boy. Another necramancer

#

Anyways try debugging what the outputs of the individual steps are

#

By printing them to the console for example

quiet kettle
drowsy quest
short warren
drowsy quest
#

Time to move on

gilded nova
#

lol that looks sketchy as fuck xD

onyx mason
#

Fefo join

gilded nova
#

40 members

#

lmao no

#

or

short warren
#

free skripts though 😳

potent prawn
#

Just for 1.8 though not 1.8.8

drowsy quest
#

xD

quiet kettle
drowsy quest
#

Then deal with the consequences

quiet kettle
#

I have 1 week programming

#

I don´t know the consequences xd

drowsy quest
#

Unless you really know what you're doing backwards compatibility of that extent is a terrible idea

drowsy quest
#

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too advanced

quiet kettle
#

But I have programmed for 6 months at C

drowsy quest
#

Come back in a year

quiet kettle
#

I have 1 week at Java I mean

short warren
#

eh mc plugins arent that hard, at least the two times ive written some trash with an hour of java experience

drowsy quest
#

That shortened your Java learning time to ~3-6 months then

short warren
#

unless theyre doing something stupid, let me read back

drowsy quest
#

If basic debugging skills are lacking, then you're not ready for it

drowsy quest
#

WHen you're new to programming and/or Java it's a very steep learning curve

#

The result is typically suuuper low quality plugins that break appart when you look at them the wrong way and the devs struggling to get the very basics down

quiet kettle
#

But I can´t learn Java while I´m programming plugins?

#

I got used to stay for 3 hours per day learning Java and another 3 hours for plugins xd

drowsy quest
#

Sure. You can also learn to walk, swim and ride a bike while running an Iron Man

#

Doesn't mean it's a smart idea

brazen merlin
#

Hey, how do I change the color of player names for groups? It seems that I have literally tried everything and still no luck :l

drowsy quest
#

Depends on your chat plugin @brazen merlin

brazen merlin
#

I am using essentials chat

quiet kettle
brazen merlin
#

Hmmm, what works better?

quiet kettle
#

let me check the name of the plugin one sec

brazen merlin
#

Thank you!

drowsy quest
#

!moss if you want to stick with them

outer vesselBOT
#
Essentials

Make sure you are using EssentialsX and Vault for prefixes. For any other issues with Essentials, you should seek support in either #general or the official EssentialsX support Discord.

EssentialsX Discord
violet rivet
#

Essentials is fine for chat if you only need the basic functions

brazen merlin
#

I would hope so, have used essentials for a while when working with a server

quiet kettle
violet rivet
#

Player name colour usually is the same as the prefix if you don't use any reset codes in the chat formatting in the config setup

quiet kettle
#

That last &4 would set the player name colour

violet rivet
#

Yes

#

That works, so long as you don't set any colours in the format layout in your chat plugins config file.

gilded nova
#

@forest helm Did you know that 97% of teenagers would cry if they saw Justin Bieber?

forest helm
gilded nova
drowsy quest
#

@forest helm ❤️

outer vesselBOT
#

Hey BrainStone! Please don't tag helpful/staff members directly.

violet rivet
#

I'd most likely cry at wasting my time too. 🙂

sleek niche
#

Well, Bieber is German for bever. So if I saw a bever called Justin I wouldn't cry. But if I saw a bever called Justin "on a tower about to jump", I would cry, of laugh

fringe garnet
trail shuttle
#

What

fringe garnet
#

My friend's Minecraft account got hacked

#

And the hacker joined our server...m

#

Yes it was bungeecord

#

Network wide bab

#

*ban

#

Through console

#

Just a quick ban

#

They did destroy the hub server first tho

#

But I restored it from a backup that I made 2 hours vefkre

#

*before

trail shuttle
#

2fa

gilded nova
sleek niche
#

Don't MariaDB and MySQL use the same ports?

gilded nova
#

and when i join with mysql it says: MySQL:3306

#

does anyone know why all my players including myself get tp-ed back to spawn and not where they last logged out? how do i fix that

vast isle
#

check your plugins configs

gilded nova
#

ahh ok its essentials, thanks

onyx mason
#

🍿

steady tangle
#

Fefo

#

Fefofefofefo

gilded nova
#

Oh lord samosa

forest helm
#

fefofofofofofofofofofofofofofofo

gilded nova
#

111111111111111111111111111111111

#

Ban him for 1 week

#

Hes begging for it

steady tangle
#

Leave it to the mods, dw about it

#

Let's just chill

onyx mason
steady tangle
steady tangle
#

ikr

sleek niche
#

Either that red is just so it looks nicer or it is... oh god

gilded nova
#

what

#

lol

onyx mason
#

what

steady tangle
#

Go to sleep

sleek niche
#

I should really buuut it's not like 10 minutes matter. And hey, I want to get to 3am atleast, I think that gives me some sort of satisfaction

steady tangle
#

Goal for tonight, next night is 4am

#

Until its an all nighter

onyx mason
#

No

steady tangle
#

Yes

#

Join us Tobi

#

Sleep is for the weak

short warren
#

off topic, but anyone here do a lot of sim racing?

gilded nova
#

The only racing simulator I play is typeracer cooldoge

sleek niche
#

I'm quite good at it

gilded nova
#

Been a while since I typed "competitively" (yes, competitive typing lol) but I used to get 85+ ~ 90 wpm with 98%+ acc ;3;

#

Now I'm probably shit at it lol I can feel my rate has gone down

sleek niche
#

Uh, so you type correctly

short warren
#

who needs accuracy when the backspace exists

#

just go for pure speed

sleek niche
#

Correct.

gilded nova
#

Unix you just send the message and then correct everything by editing it lol

short warren
#

hopefully you dont have mod logs that get spammed whenever im around

sleek niche
#

They get spammed by everyone (this is a new log) (and dis)

marble wind
#

What's the difference between online mode and offline mode

#

?

marble wind
drowsy quest
#

Also the UUID is based on the name instead of the account

#

So changing your username changes your offline UUID, but not your online UUID

gilded nova
#

Ok

onyx mason
#

Um

gilded nova
onyx mason
#

They're totally different things

#

Lmfao

#

Tuinity is fork of paper

#

Waterfall is fork of bungeecord

#

Velocity is similar to waterfall/bungeecord but new and really fast

narrow hazel
#

did anyone ever somehow removed pemission for chat?? like any player who join cant type...

#

wtf did i do with my server😂😂

gilded nova
#

!verbose may help you with that ig

outer vesselBOT
narrow hazel
#

um i think i know whats problem, if it's not i will try your way to fix it haha, thanks

untold dew
#

Anyone know of a mod that will change the block outline? So its more clear which block im looking at?

drowsy quest
#

I’ve seen one a while back that had lots of options. Sadly don’t remember the name

short warren
#

Lunar client does that if that's what you're talking about

#

Too baked, not antonijo

#

But then you are legally required to be a 50 yr old in a basement playing bedwars

untold dew
#

Why is my dropper not dropping anything in the water stream? It drops into chest but not in the water stream

short warren
#

Send a picture

fringe garnet
drowsy quest
#

Pathetic

#

It’s 07:15 and I haven’t slept yet.

onyx mason
#

🥲

drowsy quest
#

Not voluntarily but that’s besides the point

soft echo
#

anyone here use AAC anti cheat?

#

that can help me with something

drowsy quest
#

!ask

outer vesselBOT
#
Please ask your question!

Please ask the question you have. Don't ask to ask, or ask to DM someone. There are people here to help you, but we need to know what to help you with, so please just ask the question you want to in as much detail as possible!

Or, try here first:
Why shouldn't I ask to ask?
soft echo
#

can u change the thing that comes up in chat to a custom one?

#

@drowsy quest

drowsy quest
#

I don’t know

#

Probably check the config

#

Or the language files if they have any

soft echo
#

ok

drowsy quest
#

Like did you check those before asking?

soft echo
#

i only got a config and daterbase file

#

and i checked them both

drowsy quest
#

Ok. Try reaching out to their support then

soft echo
#

ive asked in there discord but there not active

drowsy quest
#

Ok

gilded nova
#

When i download teamspeak should i choose "Install for anyone using this computer" or "install just for me" and whats the difference?

trail shuttle
#

Install for me will only install on ur user

#

Other one for everyone

narrow hazel
#

guys i need suggestion for Plot plugin.. there is Plotsquared but it's not free. Any good plugin for plots?

untold dew
#

I made a villager farm like this, but they wont throw food to the villager in the middle, anyone know why?

fair rampart
#

Opposite of OP in config is NON_OP?
If i want to give acces to all players (plugins, LogBlock)
I cant find answer anywhere so i ask here

narrow hazel
#

is there command for World edit to select whole World?

gilded nova
#

No

narrow hazel
#

damn

gilded nova
#

Why

narrow hazel
#

cuz i want to select it for plots😂

short warren
#

just use plotworld or whatever

narrow hazel
gilded nova
#

Can someone help with DiscordSRV?

trail shuttle
#

There is a support discord for that

gilded nova
#

Link?

#

Inv?

trail shuttle
#

Pinned messages

gilded nova
gray schooner
#

What anticheat is good?

#

Ping me when reply

gilded nova
#

Does anyone knows how to set with Citizens plugin Blaze Powder like hypixel have in tourney hall? "This: https://ibb.co/dG4Psj4"

gilded nova
#

I would go with: NCP, Spartan, Vulcan or AAC (but i don't recommend)

gray schooner
#

I want the ones that you recommend.

gilded nova
gilded nova
#

I will try it

gray schooner
gilded nova
gray schooner
gilded nova
gray schooner
#

It doesn't support 1.16.4

gilded nova
#

Oh yeah wait.. NCP on MCM is paid and i think supports 1.16.4

#

Also is a fork of NCP so i would go with this one

#

Since include pretty good config and other settings 😉

gray schooner
gray schooner
gilded nova
gilded nova
gray schooner
gilded nova
#

@gilded nova i also see it says renewal price and licence duration. Does this mean you cant use the plugin after 6 months or that you wont be able to update it to the changes he makes?

gilded nova
gilded nova
gray schooner
#

True

gilded nova
#

So i cant use the plugin after 6 months if i dont pay the renewal price ?

gilded nova
#

I guess it would be possible, but not legal

#

Sounds really good but i want to stick with something free

#

I think you would can use it but you will not be able to download updates and this stuff.

#

Oh then it sounds great

gilded nova
#

But NCP-Updated on github supports up to 1.16.4 i think and thats free

gilded nova
#

Yeah i understand

#

Also the renewal price is kinda funny when its for 6 months

#

But there is probably so many buying it its enough

gilded nova
#

How do i disable/enable badlion, lunar, labymod client features and also others on either a server or bungeecord if possible?

short warren
#

you cant, thats all client side

trail shuttle
#

Labymod has an api iirc

#

Lunar also but not sure if you can disable Things

#

Idk about blc

gilded nova
#

Are there any way to disable something in general then? Like a minimap?

trail shuttle
#

Depends on the mod

#

And client

forest helm
#

In general though, assume not

trail shuttle
#

You can't magically disable all minimaps

gilded nova
trail shuttle
#

Depends if they either a) have an api or b) have some disabler stuff in it

#

Using pluginmessages or something

forest helm
#

(which most don't)

gilded nova
#

So with an api i can just disable whatever iwant ?

forest helm
#

if the mod supports it, yes, although keep in mind there's no way to ensure that actually has any effect

gilded nova
#

Ok

gilded nova
gilded nova
gilded nova
forest helm
#

isn't BLAPI much expensive?

gilded nova
#

Um BLAPI is free on github

#

You mean Anticheat probably

forest helm
#

Nope

#

Oh nvm yeah

gilded nova
#

Well it's free so you probably mean BAC 😉

gilded nova
trail shuttle
#

Ik about lcapi

#

Used it myself

gilded nova
#

For lunar idk since i didn't used that much tho ^

forest helm
#

As usual though keep in mind that the user may have modified their client further to ignore those requests

#

All you can do is ask the client nicely to not do shit, it's up to them if they listen to it or not

gilded nova
#

I mean if you block feature with Badlion is auto blocked/disabled for all users

forest helm
#

what's stopping someone from remove that check from their BL client though, is what I'm saying

gilded nova
#

Well, most of the users don't know even know to open badlion backend so

#

And if someone somehow does, you can't stop them.. thats true

untold dew
#

Hey I disabled online mode so my friend without account can join, but he stil cant connect to the server: "Failed to verify username! "

forest helm
untold dew
#

Could it be a different plugin thats holding him back?

forest helm
onyx mason
#

Yikes

gilded nova
#

help please

#

WARNING: An illegal reflective access operation has occurred
WARNING: Illegal reflective access by io.izzel.taboolib.module.dependency.TDependencyLoader (file:/home/HeadNetwork/Authme/libs/TabooLib.jar) to method java.net.URLClassLoader.addURL(java.net.URL)
WARNING: Please consider reporting this to the maintainers of io.izzel.taboolib.module.dependency.TDependencyLoader
WARNING: Use --illegal-access=warn to enable warnings of further illegal reflective access operations
WARNING: All illegal access operations will be denied in a future release

rigid widget
#

Try updating lp to the latest from here

#

!update

outer vesselBOT
gilded nova
#

but i already did

forest helm
#

@rigid widget read the classpath of the offender, that would be authme, not LP

#

speaking of

gilded nova
#

authme is server no pl

modest compass
#

ahh those ppl using auth me

gilded nova
gilded nova
# gilded nova authme is server no pl

This my dear "akill" is error from AuthMe 👀 Illegal reflective access by io.izzel.taboolib.module.dependency.TDependencyLoader (file:/home/HeadNetwork/Authme/libs/TabooLib.jar)

gilded nova
#

Um one question. How do you guys maintain backups of the servers in linux?

sleek token
#

Hey! Is there a way to add prefixes over a players head in-game with luckperms or do I have to use another plugin for it?

sleek token
#

alright thanks!

sleek token
gilded nova
#

As i said; use TAB plugin

#

How do i get those [In-Game] or [Lobby] things on either my signs or gui in the lobby server? Basically for most gamemodes, e.g skywars and bedwars

deep void
#

I have a lowcost hosting company and would like to sponsor minecraft projects / servers in exchange of advertising.
How can i do that? Pm me.

gilded nova
gilded nova
#

WARNING: An illegal reflective access operation has occurred
WARNING: Illegal reflective access by io.izzel.taboolib.module.dependency.TDependencyLoader (file:/home/HeadNetwork/Survival/libs/TabooLib.jar) to method java.net.URLClassLoader.addURL(java.net.URL)
WARNING: Please consider reporting this to the maintainers of io.izzel.taboolib.module.dependency.TDependencyLoader
WARNING: Use --illegal-access=warn to enable warnings of further illegal reflective access operations
WARNING: All illegal access operations will be denied in a future release

gilded nova
trail shuttle
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spigotmc down?

gilded nova
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spigotmc works for me

trail shuttle
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not for me :/

gilded nova
lost ivy
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And what now?

gilded nova
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it says that its not allowed?

lost ivy
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it worked!

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i can not build here now tyyyy

gilded nova
random sapphire
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Any way to let players break/place a specific block in a region? I know world guard extra flags, but they removed that feature on 1.16 so im lost at this point..

onyx mason
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Hello

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Fefo are you there 🥺

wispy mortar
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Anyone have any clue what plugin I should use to create a command, to do another command in the background?

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And a header similar to the Withers header plugin that can be customizable

ruby storm
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Free nitro subscription yey

potent prawn
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Idk why I can't tag you on mobile lol

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@violet rivet

gilded nova
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can i somehow block a command but not the subcommand to it? (e.g block /dmenu so it doesnt open plugin stuff but not block /dmenu open (gui name)

normal surge
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probably not unless the author made permissions for exactly the command you want to block

potent prawn
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You can use an alias plugin to create your own commands with their own permissions

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BetterAlias is an example

gilded nova
# potent prawn You can use an alias plugin to create your own commands with their own permissio...

so i can do this with BetterAlias

/dmenu open serverselector_menu -> /hiddencommand serverselector_menu

/hiddencommand serverselector_menu = hiddencommand.menu.serverselector

So that i dont need to give them dmenu permissions but the "hiddencommand.menu.serverselector" instead , but they will still be able to open the dmenu serverselector (in this case) with /hiddencommand serverselector_menu

potent prawn
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That's the idea, yeah

gilded nova
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but they would still be able to open dmenu gui without the permissions in this case ? (they would not with dmenu command but with hiddencommand

potent prawn
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I haven't used either plugins so I can't really offer much support there

gilded nova
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ok

potent prawn
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I think with BetterAlias you can make the plugin temporarily give them the permission needed to to open it

gilded nova
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oo

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cool

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will try it

potent prawn
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Yeah

onyx mason
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@potent prawn peepoheart

outer vesselBOT
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Hey aberdeener! Please don't tag helpful/staff members directly.

gilded nova
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It only comes when you join the network not when you changes from one server to lobby

potent prawn
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Seeing a list of plugins would be helpful

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On the proxy

gilded nova
violet rivet
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@potent prawn Too australian 😉

potent prawn
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get on the beeeeeeers

gilded nova
violet rivet
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Not even finished at work for the year, lmao

potent prawn
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Yikes. My leave started on Monday

violet rivet
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Show off

potent prawn
gilded nova
potent prawn
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Then I have no idea sorry

gilded nova
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ok

potent prawn
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Could do a recursive search for that text in your bungeeserver directory

gilded nova
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how

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i know i can search for files but i didnt know i could search up whats inside files to if thats what you mean

potent prawn
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Top right, search bar

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I'm pretty sure it includes contents

gilded nova
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ok i will try

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so i should search "placeholders do work in here magzybogues" ?

potent prawn
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You have to set it to include contents

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I would start with "placeholders do work"

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Since I'm guessing the MagzyBogues is your username? So it won't look like that in the config

gilded nova
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i have the advanced options thing open now so what do i do

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all i need to do is to change to "Index Properties and File Contents" ?

potent prawn
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Yeah

gilded nova
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so up to the right inside file exporer

potent prawn
gilded nova
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so findstr /c: "placeholders do work" will work ?

potent prawn
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I would narrow the search to a directory cause that will search your entire C drive (and will take forever)

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As for usage, I have no idea, never used it. Just throwing out suggestions based on brief google searches :P

gilded nova
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it worked

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now i just have to look through it

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Thank you i found it now

potent prawn
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what was it?

drowsy quest
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BungeeChat

potent prawn
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you made us go through all that :P

drowsy quest
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:D

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Might be a good idea to add the words BungeeChat in there

tidal belfry
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Hi everyone, We are searching to connect our 2 servers minecraft chat with gchat -> In our 2 servers the command /globalchat is recognize (gchat is only in our proxy) but we can't speak between 2 servers, And after checking the doc and the main config we are lost, Can someone help us ? :/

drowsy quest
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@gilded nova here

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Use BungeeChat @tidal belfry 😛

tidal belfry
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Is it a joke ? xD

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@drowsy quest We can't use BungeeChat because of message interceptions -> for exemple if a local plugin intercept a message to do actions then it does not intercept it when speaking in global

drowsy quest
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@tidal belfry yes you can. There's a config setting for that

tidal belfry
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So do you know it ? we search it since 4 pm (paris)

drowsy quest
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Yes of course

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I made the plugin

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So I should know, right?

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passToBackendServer

tidal belfry
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I hope xd

drowsy quest
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And install a no chat plugin on all backend servers, like ChatFree

tidal belfry
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Ok i see, ty

drowsy quest
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You're welcome

normal surge
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!api

outer vesselBOT
tidal belfry
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@drowsy quest Thx to you its seems working well ! We will add your ChatFree in our main plugin. Just one last question : We are searching for set our old chat format, (with luckperm rank) but with theses placeholders we don't find the rank, Should we use LPC - Chat Formatter ? Or is there an other solution ? 🙂 ty again

drowsy quest
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If you use BungeeChat, the chat is formatted by BungeeChat

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Use the available placeholders. You'll find a link to the wiki page right above the formats section

tidal belfry
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I already found it, i just don't find a placeholder that give us the luckperm rank

drowsy quest
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%prefix% and consequently %fullname% and %fulldisplayname%

tidal belfry
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Already test theses ones, it give us only the player name but with the correct rank color, -> not the rank txt

drowsy quest
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@tidal belfry then you haven't set up your prefixes correctly @tidal belfry

tidal belfry
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MMh ok i will check it

onyx mason
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gosh luckperms source code is so sexy

potent prawn
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no u

onyx mason
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turbo <3

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turbo where in luckpermsweb handles the "instant" load of the page? maybe i dont understand how someting works, but its really nice and id like to implement it to namelessmc staffcp

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whats the trick

potent prawn
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i am not really sure what you mean lol

onyx mason
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you know how you can click on a group (for example), and then click on a user, but the whole page doesnt reload

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how does that work?

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sorry if vague question

potent prawn
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ohh right, it's basically just swapping components within vue

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basically the whole website (luckperms.net, editor, verbose viewer, etc) is all just one html page and the routing is handled by vue-router - which then determines which components are visible to the user

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idk how much you know about reactive frameworks

onyx mason
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oh interesting okay, so when the page initially loads; is EVERYTHING loaded but only a small amount is shown? or is stuff [components] only loaded when theyre needed?

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not too much, trying though

potent prawn
# onyx mason oh interesting okay, so when the page initially loads; is EVERYTHING loaded but ...

the latter. so you can split the app's javascript into smaller chunks, in LPW's case it's mostly done at the route level. so say you navigate to luckperms.net, this will only load the components required for the home page. then if you navigate to the "download" page, it will load the components for that page and so on. it also pre-fetches them, so it loads them before the user clicks on the links, this just helps speed up the loading time for the initial page load

twin warren
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webpack is just magic tbh

potent prawn
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i fucking love it lol

sleek niche
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webpack is just magic tbh

isn't that coding and our modern IT infrastructure in general? magic

potent prawn
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it's all just 0s and 1s

sleek niche
twin warren
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I mean, if you look in dev tools at what the chunk.js files look like

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and keep in mind that they have been statically generated

potent prawn
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it's total chaos

twin warren
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it's crazy

twin warren
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hence why my conclusion is - must just be magic

potent prawn
onyx mason
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ok, thanks for info turbo

potent prawn
onyx mason
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yeah slowly

potent prawn
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i don't think i answered your original question though

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as the group/user switching isn't actually done with the router haha

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although i've been thinking of doing that

sleek niche
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I'm always wondering how a 100mb node modules folder can work. I mean it needs to be hundreds of thousands of lines of code and that it... just works, magic

potent prawn
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/editor/:id/group/:uuid

potent prawn
sleek niche
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That'll be a horror if we ever want to convert to Nuxt

stop Tobi, stop crying after that little PR, you only wasted 3 days or so of your life, nothinh mayor

twin warren
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4th time lucky amirite

potent prawn
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lucky perms

twin warren
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ban

potent prawn
onyx mason
potent prawn
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lol