support-1

[rose raven]

Gottem 😎

[potent trout]

Thanks!

[hasty holly]

i need help ,if i save my perms it wont work

[rose raven]

!nw

[wanton stratus]

Please tell us what's going on!

We really would absolutely love to help you out! However, telling us that it isn't working wastes everyone's time. Please, just describe the issue you're having clearly and with as much detail as possible, and send any relevant screenshots of whatever problems you're having.

For Console Errors:

https://pastes.dev/

[old mural]

finally got online to check - this value was already true across all my serers

[jaunty karma]

!folia

[wanton stratus]

Folia

An experimental/beta version of LuckPerms is available for Folia.

Downloads

https://ci.lucko.me/job/LuckPerms-Folia/

GitHub PR

https://github.com/LuckPerms/LuckPerms/pull/3615

[burnt nacelle]

How do I downgrade the data from my database? like, back to H2?

[potent trout]

I am not 100% sure, but can’t you just change the option in config.yml to H2?

(As the database storage type)

[burnt nacelle]

no, the data

make it h2 format again

or smth like that

[potent trout]

Doesn’t changing it back to H2 just start the conversion process?

[burnt nacelle]

it does?

[potent trout]

That is my guess

[burnt nacelle]

alright, will try it out

[potent trout]

Good luck

[flat parcel]

!switch

[wanton stratus]

🔖 Switching storage types

If you wish to change your storage type (e.g. to YAML or MySQL) you may need to follow these instructions to ensure your groups and permissions are migrated to the new storage type.

Read more

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Switching-storage-types

Read more about the Storage types

https://luckperms.net/wiki/Storage-types

LuckPerms wiki

[lapis rapids]

lpv (proxy) has preference over the server lp right

[flat parcel]

I appreciate you trying to help, but if you don't know the answer to something then please don't guess. This is not correct, migration is not automatic.

[flat parcel]

Preference in what way?

[lapis rapids]

If a server has a command set as false and the proxy as true how does it stay

[flat parcel]

It will use whichever value is set for the instance the permission is checked on. If the plugin checking the permission is on the proxy, then it will return true, if on the backend server then false

[lapis rapids]

Hmmmm alright

also, if I have operator on the proxy I should have on all servers right?

[flat parcel]

The vanilla /op isn't a thing on either bungeecord or velocity. If you've opped yourself, that'll only apply to that specific backend server.
Generally if you've got a permission manager, you shouldn't be using the vanilla op system though. If you've got LP set up properly for your network, just give yourself the desired permissions & they'll apply across the entire netowrk

[lapis rapids]

Alright, tysm, I asked because to modify and test ranks I need to remove groups from me sometimes, and why use the reviactyl panel every time when I can just do it in-game

[flat parcel]

Unless you're testing specifically LP stuff, I usually just give myself luckperms.* directly. That way I can always modify permissions without needing to open console, even if I dropped myself down to a player group to test things

[lapis rapids]

Alr, tysm

[potent trout]

Sorry.

[hidden spoke]

Hi everyone,
I am running a command from another plugin to grant a permission to a player using LuckPerms. The command executes successfully and the permission is saved, but it doesn't update in real-time. The player only gets the permission after I manually run /lp sync. Why is this happening and how can I fix it so it updates instantly?

[tall hedge]

Hello

I'm using LP on neoforge 1.21.1 and i'm trying to create a title system using Luckperms, and for that I need a way to give the current player a title, but I don't want to give the player OP or something, my idea was for example add a quest on FTBQuests that runs a command to set the current player a parent, but for that I would need to run a command like:

/lp user @p parent set Title

But the issue is, lp wont allow @s only names or UUID, is there an alternative way to do that? on ftbranks I could use like /ftbranks add @s rank

And I know Luckperms its not a rank system like FTBRanks, but the issue is, I can't run FTBRanks and LP because that would cause a conflict between permissions etc etc

Or there is a way to run FTBRanks + LP?

I tried doing something like /lp user {player} parent set test but it wont work too

Ok, after breaking my head I figured out that /lp user {p} parent set test2 works 😭

I'll leave this here incase anyone else need this in the future

[last fable]

hello

im using LP on fabric 26.1.2 is there any mod i can use instead of fabricplaceholderapi ?

cus it doesnt exist for that version

@split veldt

[wanton stratus]

Hey kingtal.! Please don't tag helpful/staff members directly.

[last fable]

plz someone help me

[fading pilot]

luckperms seems to be broken on hytale on the update-5 branch, and spark doesnt even have one

[toxic wagon]

What makes you think it's broken?

[fading pilot]

For some reason, trying to login to the server while the update-5 jar is on the server mucks with the quic connection itself - and causes the below error which blocks all logins

[2026/05/24 20:56:19   INFO]            [Universe|P] Adding player 'Jaddy (2aa0c595-d3bc-4ef5-8c19-95c5b565d17d)
[2026/05/24 20:56:19 FINEST]           [LoginTiming] [{Playing(QuicConnectionAddress{connId=a099965d84584720687eb9412ebb8c0656deb783} (/97.177.197.156:65039, streamId=0)), null player}] Entering stage 'setup:add-to-universe' took 12ms 570us 326ns
[2026/05/24 20:56:19 FINEST]           [LoginTiming] [{Playing(QuicConnectionAddress{connId=a099965d84584720687eb9412ebb8c0656deb783} (/97.177.197.156:65039, streamId=0)), null player}] Load Player Config took 96ms 908us 950ns
[2026/05/24 20:56:19   WARN]          [LoginHandler] Denying Jaddy: no resolvable IP
[2026/05/24 20:56:19   INFO]                [Hytale] Disconnecting Jaddy at QuicConnectionAddress{connId=a099965d84584720687eb9412ebb8c0656deb783} (/97.177.197.156:65039, streamId=0) (SNI: testing.hytown.org) with the message: Could not verify your account.

We could not verify your connection.```

this happens only when luckperms is on the server

[toxic wagon]

Which version of LP you using?

[fading pilot]

latest from update-5 branch

https://github.com/LuckPerms/LuckPerms/tree/hytale-pre-5

built from this

[last fable]

plz help me

[hasty holly]

i tryd to set my luckperms to op myself so i dont have to put all commends and go to consel to op myself and i saved and syce it and applat it and it wont work and can i plzz get help

[toxic wagon]

How did you op yourself

[full mesa]

hey, does anyone know what could cause this?
im on a 1.8 server and one player’s username started showing up as:
<light_purple>♡</light_purple> <Moon>
it started after i used some luckperms prefix commands, but i already deleted luckperms, essentials, playerdata/uuid, and a bunch of chat plugins and it still happens,
the server also uses eagler if that matters

[faint wolf]

😭 why in the heck aint this working?

[faint wolf]

Fixed it, nevermind :D

[grave locust]

Can anyone help about my problem

[potent trout]

?

[grave locust]

I set myself admin then i try to make myself moderator on tab and scorboard it seems moderator but in chat it seems admin

My english isnt very well sorry

[faint wolf]

Is there a way to show only the prefix and not the group/display name of a group too?

[rose raven]

That’d be up to whatever’s displaying it

[faint wolf]

EssentialsX I'm guessing then for me?

[hasty holly]

uaseal tru consel and i want not to go to conel to reop myself

[rose raven]

Pretty sure that doesn’t answer the question. Please explain

[elfin egret]

aaaaaaaaa

[trim trench]

Aye

[elfin egret]

Sup

[trim trench]

Um idk 😄

Were the only members of discord?

[elfin egret]

I only made it like 2 hours ago

[pine wyvern]

I am rather new to all this, have read the complete wiki. Maybe it's just the lack of sleep but the life of me I cannot figure out how to add a second groupto a user.

Oh, And well I'm here I might as well ask, is there a permission structure that you feel would run the cleanest, or to say low service strain?

I would guess not, assuming staying away from changing the default, and such. Doesn't hurt to ask though.

[elfin egret]

Adding a second group is the same as adding the first 😛

/lp user <user> parent add <group>

Unlike with other plugins, a user doesn't really have a "main" group

the primary group option is just to satisfy Vault

Regarding structure:

My advice is, put as much as you can into groups

and yeah, don't do anything to change the default group

if you can 😃

[trim galleon]

Hey @elfin egret you around for a quick help?

[elfin egret]

Hi

[trim trench]

He is, always 😄

[trim galleon]

Is there a node to turn off for default users so they can't build?

[elfin egret]

i sleep sometimes

no

you need a separate plugin to handle that

[trim galleon]

kk

[elfin egret]

are you using bukkit or sponge?

[trim galleon]

Sponge

[elfin egret]

Just get GriefPrevention

[trim galleon]

Yeah will do

How should I be going about giving a rank all permissions available?

[elfin egret]

You can set a * permission

although I tend to get politely yelled at by the Sponge guys whenever I suggest that 😛

[trim galleon]

So I can "set * true" ?

[elfin egret]

there's not really any other way to do it though

Yes

[trim galleon]

ahh okay, thanks 😃

Oh I know that

Just giving like owner rank, all permissions for current and future plugins.

[pine wyvern]

Thanks, I actually added the first group by making primary, if I added the normal I wouldn't had the problem. Your nap I took probably will help to. Thank you for putting so much work into this plugin

[elfin egret]

😃

[pine wyvern]

So should I be concerned at all about having a large or huge amount of inheritance happening?

Was thinking I would break down all plug-ins into groups with commands permissions, and Inherited them up to where they need to be

[elfin egret]

Nah

I would just go for whatever layout seems right for you

and if organising permissions that way works for you

do it

I think it's a great idea

that way, as you uninstall plugins, you can just remove whole groups of permissions

the actual inheritance calculation is all done asynchronously

so the impact on the server is minimal

[pine wyvern]

Wonderful, thanks again for your time.

[elfin egret]

Np

[pine wyvern]

Setting permissions for luckperms groups. Are all of these just commands, or is there one that will allow someone to see what Lucky is doing, Broadcast?

And should I really be asking these questions on here, or should I be setting up and asking them on the form?

[elfin egret]

Here's fine

I don't understand the question though

[pine wyvern]

OK with group manager, there was a permission that allowed a person to see that they're ranked changed. It didn't give them any commands, only they saw the broadcast from the group manager saying that their rank it changed, or group I should say

There's also one that let you see if anyone's group changed, not just yourself. And some others that worked along the same principle.

So what I'm asking is if luck has that, I'm thinking it doesn't.

[elfin egret]

It doesn't currently

If that would be a useful feature, I can add it.

[pine wyvern]

I found it so, wish I had asked a while ago, been trying to get A feature to work that doesn't exist LOL

[elfin egret]

Sure

well, you can either rely on me to remember, or make an issue on GitHub

I'll probably get around to adding it at somepoint tomorrow

not really in the mood right now haha

[pine wyvern]

No problem, at some point in the future I'll have to make a git hub account, pretty new to doing all this.

[elfin egret]

Alright

no worries

[pine wyvern]

If you do you do permissions for broadcasts, one that allows the debug broadcast to a user would be nice.

[elfin egret]

You mean the debug messages that already exist?

"luckperms.debug" is the permission needed to receive those messages

[pine wyvern]

Maybe, I have not used them yet still setting things up very slowly, it was just a thought that crossed my mind do they already broadcast of the user. Oh never mind. I am learned

[elfin egret]

😉

[eager oriole]

hi i have a problem

I have installed luckperms for bungeecord but does not work, he says access denied when I put that permission in the config!

[elfin egret]

Put which permission in which config?

[eager oriole]

I have the permission in mysql

{
"bat.kick.global":true,
"bat.ban.global":true,
"bungeechat.mute":true,
"bungeechat.unmute":true,
"bungeechat.spy":true,
"bungeechat.alert":true,
"bungeecord.command.list":true,
"bungeecord.command.server":true,
"bungeechat.helpop.recieve":true,
"Phoenix.Notification":true,
"prison/essentials.tp":true,
"prison/auction.admin.expire":true,
"prison/areashop.teleportall":true,
"prison/areashop.unrent":true,
"prefix.0.\u00264[Admin]":true,
"suffix.0.\u00264":true
}

[elfin egret]

can you pastebin the LuckPerms config for your Bungeecord server

the default is that "server: bungee"

which is why your bungeecord permissions aren't applying

[eager oriole]

http://pastebin.com/4BS4th6a I deleted the "date" part to keep her from seeing

[elfin egret]

yes

The name of the server, used for server specific permissions. Set to 'global' to disable.

server: bungee

and all of your bungeecord permissions are global

"bat.kick.global":true,
"bat.ban.global":true,
"bungeechat.mute":true,
"bungeechat.unmute":true,
"bungeechat.spy":true,
"bungeechat.alert":true,
"bungeecord.command.list":true,
"bungeecord.command.server":true,
"bungeechat.helpop.recieve":true,

so either change the permissions so they apply on "bungee"

or set "server: global" in the Luckperms config

[eager oriole]

{
"bungee/bat.kick.global":true,
"bungee/bat.ban.global":true,
"bungee/bungeechat.mute":true,
"bungee/bungeechat.unmute":true,
"bungee/bungeechat.spy":true,
"bungee/bungeechat.alert":true,
"bungee/bungeecord.command.list":true,
"bungee/bungeecord.command.server":true,
"bungee/bungeechat.helpop.recieve":true,
"Phoenix.Notification":true,
"prison/essentials.tp":true,
"prison/auction.admin.expire":true,
"prison/areashop.teleportall":true,
"prison/areashop.unrent":true,
"prefix.0.\u00264[Admin]":true,
"suffix.0.\u00264":true
}

don't work

[elfin egret]

did you edit that directly in mysql

or using commands

[eager oriole]

directly

[elfin egret]

run /lpb sync

[eager oriole]

don't work

[elfin egret]

what is the output of /lpb group <group> listnodes

[eager oriole]

I see all permission

[elfin egret]

right

but did they all load correctly?

so they're applying on server "bungee"

[eager oriole]

yes

[elfin egret]

ok

& what's the issue

permissions aren't working?

or chat?

[eager oriole]

aren't working

[elfin egret]

neither?

[eager oriole]

world

[elfin egret]

what isn't working, permissions or prefixes?

[eager oriole]

use the command /glist but it tells me that I have no permission

[elfin egret]

Ok

one moment.

[eager oriole]

ok

[elfin egret]

Right

it's working for me

so I guess it's a config issue

can you screenshot the output of "/lpb user stefa98 listnodes"

replace with whatever your username actually is

[elfin egret]

Ok

you need to run:

/lpb user stefa98 parent remove owner

/lpb user stefa98 parent add owner bungee

Actually no

that should be working

[eager oriole]

don't work

[elfin egret]

are you sure owner has all of the correct permissions?

and that default doesn't have any of the permissions negated?

if default has some permissions set to false, they might override any set in owner

[eager oriole]

thanks

i love you hahha

[elfin egret]

Was that it? 😮

[eager oriole]

the permission in default group set false

[elfin egret]

Ah right

well

you can just remove yourself from default

[eager oriole]

ok

[pine wyvern]

can I remove a inherit from a group?

[elfin egret]

Yes

/lp group admin parent remove mod

[pine wyvern]

ahh, I was going at it all wrong, thanks

[pine wyvern]

ok seems a few nodes are pass on by default, micecraft.tell, minecraraft. plugins I know. Would there be a list some where of all that are?

[elfin egret]

See the "mojang permisssion" section of this table:

http://wiki.bukkit.org/CraftBukkit_Commands

Not sure what you mean :/

You can't find the right permissions?

[pine wyvern]

Okay, I am confused. There's Mojang permissions for the entire list. If I give permission nothing to default group, the group still gets those two nodes, (and broadcast notes?)

[elfin egret]

Are you using Bukkit or Sponge?

[pine wyvern]

bukkit

[elfin egret]

Ok

Well

Some permission nodes are given to users by default

so everyone has them

unless you specifically remove them

by setting the permission to false

[pine wyvern]

ya, sorry for bad wording. I want to know if theres a list of what the defaults are some where.

[elfin egret]

Yea

On that table I linked you

There's a column for "Permission Default"

if it says "everyone"

then yeah, you get the message 😛

[pine wyvern]

ok so ...right got it

[elfin egret]

It's a stupid system

😃

[pine wyvern]

I should have realized that is how it was done.

Sorry about the mangled messages I'm having some device issues.

[elfin egret]

it's k

[pine wyvern]

I have "minecraft:tell" showing up for /help for default group. I don't want to, but if I set minecraft.command.tell false it goes away. Not sure it this is cuase I set bukkit.command.tell to true, then unset it (was before I know all the "everyone" permissions were defaulted), or of it even has to do with Luckperms. Any thoughts?

I was able to it if off by edting help.yml. Would still like to know how/why it got on there to start with.

[pine wyvern]

GM & PEX Command Equivalents page. effn sweet. Thank you for working so hard on Luckprems!

[elfin egret]

Yw

Not sure about the tell permission

did you work it out?

[tiny obsidian]

Going out on a whim here to look like a moron but these steps have to be taken in times of darkness

first of all thank you for making this plugin. Secondly I'm using the Sponge Version.

Nevermind my partner has saved me from asking the question. I can walk away with my head high dignity intact

[elfin egret]

You sure?

I don't bite

😃

[tiny obsidian]

That's a shame because i'm often partial to a little nibble. But no thanks we managed to solve our very simple 'problem' hahaha

[tiny obsidian]

Does anyone here have an example/template of the Default.yml file for me to learn/work off?

[elfin egret]

Nop

I don't (really) officially support modifying the files directly

[tiny obsidian]

I should do it all via commands>

[elfin egret]

Right

That's what I reccomend

there's nothing stopping you from editing the files directly

however, I won't really make much effort to write documentation about how to do it

[tiny obsidian]

Okay ty. I've come up from 1.7 The modded Minecraft community is about to go up to 1.1 from 1.7 as FTB launchs their most popular pack into 1.1 so I'm trying to get a headstart learning all this 1.1 fun stuff

Doing stuff in-game is definately new to me haha

[elfin egret]

😃

[ruby quest]

It will be a while before FTB infinity or skyblock come out if they are the ones you mean lol I've been stalking every bit of info I can and no release date near yet

[tiny obsidian]

Infinityy Evolved comes out in 1-2 weeks

then expert mode is released some time after

[ruby quest]

Then I haven't been doing my job properly I assume that was mentioned in a live stream or something??

[stiff cobalt]

Hello

@elfin egret could I start a pm with you?

Or anyone else with a good amount of knowledgy on LP

[ruby quest]

Anyone here could help but Luck is offline atm

[stiff cobalt]

Ok

Could I bother to ask you a few questions?

I don't think it'll take too mcuh of your time

[ruby quest]

I don't think I could do much good but post your questions and if anyone knows the answers you need they should leave a reply

[stiff cobalt]

Ok, thanks for the advice

[ruby quest]

This would be the best place this second if you need urgent answers https://github.com/lucko/LuckPerms/wiki

[stiff cobalt]

I could wait for an answer

Can someone let me know what is the best way to learn the commands (like a video or something) and also why do I keep getting this error: https://gyazo.com/2fc8ac947439123720e9a104e0b5420f

[ruby quest]

This would be a good way to start learning the commands and that screenshot don't seam like an error but I havent played with luck perms yet

https://github.com/lucko/LuckPerms/wiki/Command-Usage

[stiff cobalt]

I've been reading on there for a while now, there isn't really explanations for the commands which is why I came here

But thanks though 😃

[ruby quest]

np hopefully someone can help you better than I but I think the best way would be to read then in detail or google up a video on the plugin (And people seam to be making less and less videos on this kinda thing now days)

[elfin egret]

@stiff cobalt The reason you're getting that "You have the following groups" message is because BungeeCord overrides the /perms command

You need to use one of the other aliases

e.g. /lp or /perm

The commands should be pretty self explainatory, however, if not

if you just type part of the command without arguments

it should print a usage message explaining what each command does, and a list of arguments that it takes 😃

[prime gate]

Lol

I've had a beautiful time using the json files and in game commands

[elfin egret]

Beautiful in a good way?!

[prime gate]

That problem with the perms on players seems to have been corrected also after i reset everything on my side during the most recent update you did yesterday

And yes in a good way lol

Also GP is working flawlessly as i've seen so far now

[elfin egret]

Good 😃

[prime gate]

I might switch to luck perms for my bungee as well

[elfin egret]

I owe a lot of that to blood though, he was very helpful in pointing out issues

[prime gate]

Currently using permissionscord

Yeah bloods awesome

[elfin egret]

never heard of permisisonscord?

[prime gate]

It's a bungeecord permission plugin

[elfin egret]

Huh

I thought it was just BungeePerms 😮

[ruby quest]

Luck gets my recomend and Blood always speeks good of him try LP

[prime gate]

I use LP on my sponge server

And no I'm using permissioncord.jar

xD

[elfin egret]

well Dark, the benefit of doing that is that your permissions will sync to your proxy

[prime gate]

Oooooh

[elfin egret]

so you only have to set a user's group once

[prime gate]

So wait, if i set a group on your bungee version, it allows the same group accross multiple servers? Can that also allow different ranks per server

[elfin egret]

Yes

(only requirement is that you use MySQL or MongoDB)

[prime gate]

Crap

xD

[elfin egret]

you can easily migrate your existing data though.

[prime gate]

haven't dabbled into the sql databases yet...

[elfin egret]

do you self-host your server?

[sudden sun]

I have a random question. I haven't gotten far enough with configuring LP to test it myself: if you use multiple ranks/rank ladders are you able to make one outweigh the other?

[prime gate]

Yes and no

My bungee and hub are now hosting through mcpro and my main servers are self hosted

[elfin egret]

@sudden sun There's no concept of group "weight" as such

Does MCPro give you a free database?

[prime gate]

He means a priority

And yeah you can easily

[elfin egret]

Mhm

just use that then 😛

[prime gate]

Uhh I'm not sure i'm in the middle of resetting everything up as we speak

[elfin egret]

well, it's something you can do at a later time

[sudden sun]

Well pex still didn't have it and it was messing up everything lol

[elfin egret]

it's as simple as /luckperms export & /luckperms import

[prime gate]

Yeah something to look into and i know, thats what i hated most about pex besides he command usage

[elfin egret]

@sudden sun Could you explain more specifically what you need?

[sudden sun]

I need my staff prefixes to show up no matter what player rank a person holds

[elfin egret]

Oh right

prefixes and suffixes have a weight

[sudden sun]

Non staff have a player prefix

[elfin egret]

or "priority"

[prime gate]

In other words Luck, if a player has rank1 and moderator, he wants the moderator rank to show up instead

[elfin egret]

Just set moderator's prefix at a higher priority than your normal ranks

[sudden sun]

Is that a separate option?

[elfin egret]

No

Oh

yes

@sudden sun read this: https://github.com/lucko/LuckPerms/wiki/Chat-Formatting-and-Meta-(Vault)#chat-prefixsuffix 😉

[sudden sun]

So you don't use the permission option system in sponge for prefixes

[ruby quest]

If I'm remembering right and I prob don't lol Players get the player ranks and rank up as each requirement is met and staff have to do the same but they need there permissions and staff tag to show too along with the player rank they are? Did I remember it right @sudden sun

[prime gate]

I do have an sql database with my host ^.^ Cool yayyy more stuff to do!

[sudden sun]

SQL is great!

[ruby quest]

something like <[Staff] [Member] NameOfPlayer

?

[sudden sun]

No

[ruby quest]

Then I have forgotten lol

[elfin egret]

@sudden sun No

I created my own system

for that exact reason, actually

Sponge's option API doesn't allow you to set priorities

which you kinda want with stuff like prefixes 😛

however, the data is still served through Sponge's option system

so plugins, like Nucleus for example, that use options, will still get the right data

[sudden sun]

Okay that makes sense.

I have another odd question

Would it be possible to give a group permission to promote for instance but only within the context they have the permission themselves, like a specific server

It would really only apply to assigning/changing groups or permissions

Since if those permissions were given in a specific context, you wouldn't want them to be able to change groups or permissions outside of the context they hold that permission in

[elfin egret]

Hmm

I know what you're getting at, but I'm not sure if what you suggest is the best way to solve it

Huhm

leave that with me 😃

[sudden sun]

Well I know I can have separate staff ranks for each server and solve it but it would be better if I could just use contexts to keep servers separate

[ruby quest]

I got it now xD

[elfin egret]

Yup

someone else asked for the same feature

[sudden sun]

Blame me for coming up with such a complicated ranks structure

[ruby quest]

Simple enough when you think about it but it would help if minecraft servers as a general rule had a basic rank structure to begin with then let each network customize it

[sudden sun]

Network Wide rank definitions, network Wide assignment of member ranks that even staff maintain and server specific assignment of staff ranks

[elfin egret]

@ruby quest the problem then occurs when you want something super custom 😉

[ruby quest]

Indeed

[sudden sun]

I'll be lucky if I can make it all happen ha ha

[elfin egret]

It's definately possible with LP 😃

[ruby quest]

Well you got @elfin egret on your side xD

I'm sorry I had to lmao

[elfin egret]

haha! funny "luck" meme

[sudden sun]

Well I was thinking that you would just need special handling of your permission nodes

[elfin egret]

Mhm

do you have like, per-server admins, then?

[sudden sun]

That the contex of one of your perms is applied downward when used

Yes

[elfin egret]

Ahh

damn it!

you've found a flaw 😦

[sudden sun]

Not really a flaw

Small limitation perhaps

[elfin egret]

Sure

it would be a limitation in any plugin tho, I guess 😛

[sudden sun]

But maybe a flaw

Since technically giving perms to setting perms in a specific context does nothing

Except limit where you can run the command

[elfin egret]

it's more just the sense that you can edit global data from any connected server

you can prevent use of all LP commands on a specific server

[sudden sun]

Just change your own perm to not have a context

[elfin egret]

it doesn't have a context? 😛

[sudden sun]

What I'm hoping to be able to do is give the senior staff on a server promote perm to the staff track

But when they make someone staff, they should only be staff in the same context as the staff that promoted them

[elfin egret]

yeah

that's just a little tricky for me to implement :{

[sudden sun]

Can you determine in your code what context a permission is under when checked?

[elfin egret]

Yup.

[sudden sun]

If so you only have to modify the commands to automatically apply the same context as the permission to run the command

[elfin egret]

right

but not everyone wants that

I have to do it in a way that doesn't break things for other users

[sudden sun]

Maybe tack on one more detail to the permission node

[elfin egret]

it would likely be a config option

to force the server argument to always equal a value defined in the config

[sudden sun]

Hmm, which would that also apply when I run a command

Because there will be times the global perms need adjusted. But only by the couple trusted network staff

[elfin egret]

i guess an extra bypass permission?

or whitelist

idk?

[sudden sun]

So with luckperms.user.promote you can promote any user any track right?

[elfin egret]

Ya

[sudden sun]

And you can add .track to limit it to a track?

[elfin egret]

I'm thinking about it

(well, thinking of the best way to do it)

give me until the end of the weekend

I don't have as much time during the week 😛

[sudden sun]

For now I'll just micromanage and keep all the luckperms to myself mu ha ha ha

Same

[elfin egret]

here's my to-do-list

http://i.imgur.com/BxanZUX.png

"advanced permissions" is basically what you're suggesting

the list is in no particular order

[sudden sun]

Cool

Sounds exciting (minus vault stuff)

I'm happy that your DB structure doesn't take hours of studing to figure out

[sudden sun]

@elfin egret If you have time I have a few questions about tracks :/

[elfin egret]

I don't really have time like, right now

but feel free to just drop questions in here whenever

and I'll try reply within at least 24hrs

[sudden sun]

That's fine.

[elfin egret]

well, I mean

depends how quick the question is

[sudden sun]

Well With PEX i could have 2 independent ladders and promote using each

But from my understanding you can only promote the primary group

So is that not possible with LP?

[elfin egret]

that was changed in the latest dev build

it will now work for any group

i'm yet to update the documentation

[sudden sun]

ah

[elfin egret]

See here: https://github.com/lucko/LuckPerms/issues/39

[sudden sun]

also can 1 track be called default and need no name?

[elfin egret]

you can call tracks whatever you like

but no

there's no "default" track

they're literally just ordered lists of groups 😛

basically, see here:

https://github.com/lucko/LuckPerms/wiki/Tracks

[sudden sun]

yeah, Coming from pex i just got used to being able to leave out the "track" name

[elfin egret]

but ignore any mention of primary group

and yeah ik

having a default just confuses things

or the next thing people will ask for is per-server defaults

[sudden sun]

so it was /promote user name or promote user name staff

[elfin egret]

just choose a short track name

😉

[sudden sun]

but i'll update lp

[elfin egret]

you can tab complete them too

so it's nbd

[sudden sun]

I know, so thankful for that

[elfin egret]

I'll be working on improving that too btw

[sudden sun]

You DB is so clean too

[elfin egret]

Well

it's actually not all that great from a development standpoint

but readability, yes

readability =/= good design though

[sudden sun]

lol have you looked at pex?

[elfin egret]

yes

[sudden sun]

I know that

[elfin egret]

it follows the principals of a relational database

luckperms does not

because I am lazy

[sudden sun]

ha ha

[elfin egret]

and stubborn

[sudden sun]

your plugin surpasses pex in capability

not lazy

[elfin egret]

you shouldn't be storing maps or lists in mysql 😃

I basically broke rule number 1 of databases for dummies

anyways

it's made up for in clever handling of defaults

you'll notice that not much data is actually stored 😃

anyway

I'm going to go sleep now

leave any questions here & I'll answer them tomorrow

Baiii

[sudden sun]

Bye

I think i've already replicated everything i had in pex in like a couple hours lol

[elfin egret]

huh

the import feature should have done most of that for you 😉

[sudden sun]

All my perms/structure

[elfin egret]

nice nice

[stiff cobalt]

Heu @elfin egret Think you run me through a quick crashcourse of what I need to know to moderate a server?

[sudden sun]

he's asleep

What exactly are you asking

"moderate a server" is pretty vague

[meager ibex]

How do I open up the database file? It's in h2 format and I'd like to see the innards

[sudden sun]

You're not intended to. There's no support for any direct editing, only commands

[meager ibex]

I see. So there's no easy way to see all the information at once?

[sudden sun]

Well i'm using MySQL and it's readable

Editing is still a bad idea though

[meager ibex]

That's okay, I'd probably just use it to see what's there and what's not there quickly rather than typing out a bunch of commands.

[sudden sun]

Yeah i'm right there with you

it's much faster to see what's wrong if you can look at everything before you start running commands to fix it

[meager ibex]

I'm thinking about moving from bPermissions, which is very easy to set and get info through various ways, hoping this doesn't make it too difficult in comparison.

[sudden sun]

actually i have an idea

lp export <file>

That file is probably readable

I just came from PEX to LP myself

[meager ibex]

I haven't fiddled too much with MySQL, do I need to actually have a server for it to work, or is it also just a format?

[sudden sun]

I need the features though

MySQL has to have a database server

Provides no benifit to single server setups imo

I have 4 servers and I share perms

[meager ibex]

Yeah, that's what I'm doing, just a single server

[sudden sun]

It helps create a more fluid network

[meager ibex]

Is it hard to setup a MySQL server? I don't really want to restrict myself in the future if it comes to that if it isn't really that much of a bother.

[sudden sun]

It's not hard but you need a dedicated box to set up your own

[meager ibex]

Ah, yeah I can't really invest in that right now.

[sudden sun]

if you're using a single server type hosting, your host may provide you MySQL access

[meager ibex]

Possible, let me check

[sudden sun]

Because they will have a MySQL server

If they run multicraft, it's a must

[meager ibex]

Yeah it's there

[sudden sun]

But I'd try the export command

then take a look at that file

may be a readable format, not sure though

[meager ibex]

It's more readable than an unopenable db file

It's just a line by line list of the in game commands used to assign each perm to each group or use in each world.

Not readable like pex or bp, but at least it's there I suppose

[sudden sun]

Yeah typically DBs aren't very readable

If it's readable it's not designed for top performance

You can change from H2 to flatfile

that's a readable format

[meager ibex]

would that be yaml or json in the config

I'm guessing yaml

[sudden sun]

not sure trying to find it lol

https://github.com/lucko/LuckPerms/wiki/Switching-storage-types

[meager ibex]

Yeah

[sudden sun]

looks like there's support for both

[meager ibex]

Right yea, I was just wondering between the two, testing yaml at the moment

[sudden sun]

Well yaml is more old bukkit style

[meager ibex]

Is there any inherent downside to not using a db other than non-multi-server-ease and maybe the possibility to screw it up by manually editing?

[sudden sun]

JSON is a modern format

Not really

for 1 server, it won't be noticably slower

[meager ibex]

Really, I'd probably like to get MySQL working I guess, seems the most modern and reliable

[sudden sun]

You'd have to talk to lucky about what he really recommends

Probably the default

[meager ibex]

Default for me was h2

[sudden sun]

which is a file based database

[meager ibex]

Is MySQL not file based?

[sudden sun]

no

it's software based that you have to host on a server

[meager ibex]

Alright

So, if I want to have this be a MySQL database, I just enter the credentials off of my host into the config?

[sudden sun]

yes

[meager ibex]

Hmm seeming to not be able to do it successfully

Host goes into address
Name into database
Username into username
Password into password
and pool size is left at default 10

Getting a connection link failure

[sudden sun]

did you create a database first

[meager ibex]

I created one through my host

[sudden sun]

and you got the name

[meager ibex]

Yep

[sudden sun]

And the host will probably not be your address but theirs

[meager ibex]

They gave me an ip, but didn't specify a port

[sudden sun]

default port

[meager ibex]

hohoho that seemed to do the trick

[sudden sun]

lol now you need to import your backup

[meager ibex]

well, I can still just import straight from my bpermissions right?

er migrate

Yeah, alright, things seem to be there

[sudden sun]

yeah i didn't migrate from pex

I just restarted from scratch

[meager ibex]

I might end up doing that

[elfin egret]

@meager ibex You can read the H2 database, however you need special software to do so

If you want data to be easily readable, use json or yaml

there's no special benefit of using mysql if you only have one server

however, if it's a possibility that you might expand in the future

it might be a good idea to do so 😃

[sudden sun]

Ha ha I tried to help since you were out

[elfin egret]

Ya, thanks! 😃

[sudden sun]

It's only fair

[stiff cobalt]

@sudden sun I just mean things like creating groups, setting groups and all of those things

[elfin egret]

There's a list here: https://github.com/lucko/LuckPerms/wiki/Command-Usage

[shy totem]

hello

[ruby quest]

o/

[shy totem]

I have a quick (and basic) question about LP if anyone is available.

[sudden sun]

I'm getting pretty familure with it

So ask away

[shy totem]

I am attempting to use LuckPerms-2.13.43.jar with a spigot 1.102 build, but am receiving an error which makes me think it is not compatible. This also occurs with the legacy bukkit build as well.

Would anyone have any information about whether LP is compatible with spigot 1.10.2?

[sudden sun]

opps, i forget @elfin egret supports spigot

I use Sponge so i'm no use to you

[shy totem]

yeah.. I am using sponge as well.. but need to use spigot on one of the servers.

[ruby quest]

Best place to check would be the wiki https://github.com/lucko/LuckPerms/wiki/Setup

There is a bukkit version in the dev builds area but I think spigot uses that one rather than the normal sponge one

[shy totem]

yeah - that's the one i'm using.

I'll keep messing with it. Thanks guys.

[ruby quest]

Sorry I don't know that much bout it lol

[shy totem]

no worries

thanks for providing the information you had.

[sudden sun]

Anyone an expert on inheritance?

[pine wyvern]

I wouldn't say expert but I've been messing with it, what do you need know?

[sudden sun]

Do you have to inherit default or is that always done?

And the parent is the "lesser" rank correct?

[elfin egret]

no and yes

you don't have to inherit from default, however users who login for the first time do automatically

[pine wyvern]

So as long as you don't remove default you have it. My bad fell asleep.

[sudden sun]

If you promote via a track will it remove default?

[pine wyvern]

I haven't started messing with tracks yet, I'm thinking no though...

[sudden sun]

Ya I think I got my perms inherited right but it's hard to be sure right now

[elfin egret]

@sudden sun Yes

make sure you're using the latest dev builds

I recently changed the way tracks work

so they're more useful 😃

[sudden sun]

I've been trying to keep updated.

Basically I use default for all the perms that everyone gets regardless of rank

[elfin egret]

Mhm

[sudden sun]

So I have my lowest player and staff ranks with default as a parent

[elfin egret]

Perfect

that's what an ideal setup should be 😃

[sudden sun]

Only default doesn't have a parent

Obviously lol

And I should be able to have a player in 1 or both tracks in your latest build correct?

[elfin egret]

yes

[sudden sun]

LP is becoming my perfect permissions plugin!

All I needed was a little nudge from blood to end up here ha ha

[elfin egret]

😃

[sudden sun]

I was still in the Bukkit/cauldron mindset of nothing can beat pex

[elfin egret]

huh

there are a lot of others that are still better than the old versions of pex

the 2.x version is better

code quality wise

but the commands are horrible imo

[sudden sun]

I never once had a pex problem

They are horrible

And I just assumed everything for sponge was just early in development so bugs and missing features was part of life

[elfin egret]

well

as far as I can tell

Sponge in general is pretty stable

i've been watching its progress since they launched

but LP was the first time I actually used the api

[sudden sun]

I'm pretty happy with sponge and like 3 plugins

But many of the plugins are poor quality and just end up up discontinued

[elfin egret]

:/

[sudden sun]

I've had many of the plugins I tried using discontinued unfortunately

I can't wait for ore. I'm not sure why sponge didn't team up with curse for distribution

[elfin egret]

eh

ore is like 100x nicer than anything that's ever come out of curse

[sudden sun]

I bet it will be

[elfin egret]

i'm pretty sure the Sponge team would've wanted to stay well away from curse / bukkit / all that crap

since that's really why it even exists

[sudden sun]

But for now finding and tracking plugins is terrible

[elfin egret]

right

sure

but ore is nearly done

[sudden sun]

I have a browser window full of tabs

[elfin egret]

luckperms is on there

https://ore-staging.spongepowered.org/Luck/LuckPerms

[elfin egret]

@sudden sun I'm still trying to work out the best way to implement your suggestion

(it was you, right? permissions per track)

it's actually not that easy to do with permissions

I have to check if the user has the permission ahead of time in order to display the command usage menus

[sudden sun]

Not per track

[elfin egret]

per server?

[sudden sun]

More like if you have permission to give permissions or change groups that if you use it the same context of your permission is applied

[elfin egret]

oh yeah

i remember now

well, that's actually just as hard.

[sudden sun]

For me its per server

So I don't have to duplicate my staff groups

Wouldn't you just have to integrate it into the execution of the few commands that change perms

[elfin egret]

I thought it was more only being able to modify permissions in the same context as you have the modify permission

and well, no

it's also breaks backwards compatibility

as it's completely different behaviour

[sudden sun]

Hmm

[elfin egret]

the other huge complication is this menu system

http://i.imgur.com/wlIiBLF.png

all of those commands have their own permissions

and I have to check if the user has each one every time the menu is displayed

so

the logic for permission checks ideally needs to be as abstract as possible

individual implementation per command is very difficult

which is why permissions like luckperms.user.info.self are hard

[sudden sun]

So I want to allow my senior staff to appoint staff

But they are only staff on one server

If I give them the ability to promote, by default its global

[elfin egret]

yeah, I remember now

[sudden sun]

Even though their permission is not

[elfin egret]

the thing is, implementing that is very easy to do

however, it's not easy to do in a friendly way

without breaking things for other users

[sudden sun]

I'll accept whatever implementation you feel is best

[elfin egret]

well

not having the system at all suits me!

😄

so

I guess I'm just asking for other ideas of how to do it

i suppose options could work

[sudden sun]

I don't have to have my way

I was just going to make my own commands that forced the context

[elfin egret]

well

I guess I can do that

however it would be a configuration thing

[sudden sun]

I don't want to make you implement something nobody but me uses

[elfin egret]

well

[sudden sun]

I feel like its not that weird

[elfin egret]

it depends on how useful it will actually be

i also don't want to bloat the plugin with too much "stuff"

but if I were to do it

it would probably be something like this

http://i.imgur.com/7D8DOMS.png

if you can program it yourself, that might work out better

and then maybe if other people request the same thing

I'll spend some time working on it

[ruby quest]

Bring in coss if he ain't working on the thing we still need he might have a better idea of how to do it

[sudden sun]

Well if the forced context thing could be a possibility with an exemption permission then I would be able to do what I want with no issues I'm sure

[elfin egret]

exemption permission?

[sudden sun]

So I could still edit global context

[elfin egret]

just don't add yourself to the config then 😛

[sudden sun]

I thought you already mentioned that

Oh, that's per user

[elfin egret]

yes

[sudden sun]

Group too?

[elfin egret]

eeeehhh

i know your point

lemme think

[sudden sun]

Ya, has to be group lol

[elfin egret]

the thing is

they could add the exemption permission to themselves

to apply in that context

and then modify all contexts

[sudden sun]

Then no exemption

[elfin egret]

right

but then you have to add all of your staff to the config

which sucks

[sudden sun]

Groups! Lol

[elfin egret]

seems like a broken system to me

too many flaws in it

[sudden sun]

User specific stuff is broken

[elfin egret]

so is groups

and actually

[sudden sun]

It creates inconsistencies and chaos

[elfin egret]

a "suggested" context would be useful too

for example, if you don't specify any context, it will fill it for you

but won't override

[sudden sun]

I could work with that as well

Really I just need to be able limit luckperms user <user> promote staff

[elfin egret]

right

[sudden sun]

To the context

Only perm they need

Tbh

[elfin egret]

well, you could do that with any old "my command" plugin

idk if there are any for sponge yet

or even better just program it yourself

[sudden sun]

I am writing a plugin

I'm a total sponge noob though

[elfin egret]

same

[sudden sun]

Not hardly

[elfin egret]

i know permissionservice

[sudden sun]

LP is fantastic

[elfin egret]

never really touched anything else 😃

events. blocks. entities

etc etc

[sudden sun]

I've messed with most of that via forge

[elfin egret]

oh right

i definately don't know any forge stuff

jesus

setting up with intellij was difficult enough

[ruby quest]

^ preach xD

Its easier now tho

[elfin egret]

i find that somewhat hard to believe

i just want a maven repo

i also dislike gradle

so that doesn't help

[sudden sun]

Lol

[elfin egret]

this is about the limit to my exploration into forge

https://gist.github.com/lucko/46976180a017bdc45399efa685a4cd71

proof of concept to some dumb server owner that it's possible to fake chat logs

[sudden sun]

Can I hook into lp or should my plugin actually run commands

[elfin egret]

up to you

i'd just execute the commands from the console

[sudden sun]

I'd like to make it universal by reading the config

[elfin egret]

the api doesn't provide any easy methods for using tracks to promote users

you'd have to copy my logic

[sudden sun]

Automatically limit it to the configured server context

[elfin egret]

oh

you want to read the luckperms config?

[sudden sun]

I'm sure all your stuff is private hu?

[elfin egret]

i expose a native API

https://github.com/lucko/LuckPerms/blob/master/api/src/main/java/me/lucko/luckperms/api/LPConfiguration.java

see here on how to get the API:

https://github.com/lucko/LuckPerms/wiki/Developer-API#usage-instructions

then just call #getConfiguration

[sudden sun]

Ya I'll have to wait until I get home. Apis make my head spin lol

[elfin egret]

they're just normal classes

not as fancy as it might sound 😛

[sudden sun]

Somebody else wrote them :p

Takes time to understand somebody else's code

[elfin egret]

of course 😃

you don't really need to understand it though

there's not really any implementation to read, as they're interfaces 😃

[sudden sun]

In the case of @ruby quest ,you never understand it and you just scrap it

Check out @ThePracticalDev's Tweet: https://twitter.com/ThePracticalDev/status/794274029712605184?s=09

[elfin egret]

yeah

i saw another similar one

you don't get it so much in the sponge community, but certainly on spigot, there's this unfortunate trend of people associating "someone else's code" with "bad code"

"I didn't write this, therefore it's bad"

it's not that common, but you see it sometimes.

[pine wyvern]

I am so glad to view these conversations, I find them quite informative.

[sudden sun]

Lol doesn't make it bad. Just different

[elfin egret]

yup

@pine wyvern I'm glad 😃

a lot of that stuff is on the wiki though 😉

[pine wyvern]

I always read the wiki, I just to dumb to get what I read some times. Oh ya, @elfin egret you said that you felt that vault was poorly done, or the like on the forums. Can I ask you to elaborate?

[elfin egret]

Ever since version, like

1.7???

Everything has been done based on UUIDs

it means that users can keep all of their data if they change names

Vault still works using usernames

that's just one example. there's much more other crap that annoys me about it

[pine wyvern]

I can see how that would be a pain. I don't know if I ever will but I would really like to learn to make plugins and design a better vault, or vault alternative I mean. It is completely beyond my skill set at this time. Even though I'm really interested in your faults with it.

[elfin egret]

The thing is, there's two parts of Vault

there's the API side of it, and the implementation

I have a problem with parts of the API

and writing a new API is easy

however, writing the implementation to hook with all of the existing permission plugins is hard

and that's basically what's stopping me from doing it

[sudden sun]

Abandon spigot /Bukkit lol

[elfin egret]

nah

not just yet

[sudden sun]

I was kidding

I have no intention to ever use either again in any way

but I'm 100% done with vannila

[elfin egret]

wut

[sudden sun]

when my brain thinks it but my fingers don't type it

[elfin egret]

your brain seems wonky too

[sudden sun]

it is

[elfin egret]

i still don't understand

lol

[sudden sun]

I have no plan to ever play vanilla MC again

so sponge is the only thing i need

[elfin egret]

that makes more sense

but sponge is vanilla in a sense 😛

i use SpongeVanilla for all of my testing

[sudden sun]

ya but nobody uses sponge vanilla

[elfin egret]

because I can't deal with the startup times of forge

i haven't got all day 😄

[sudden sun]

since spigot is so much more developed

All those plugins that have been around for ages

[elfin egret]

sure

that's the only real thing that's stopping people from moving

well

and the lack of support for older versions

and somewhat unstable api

although I appreciate the need for both of those things

😃

people don't like breaking changes

although, that just ends up with shitty design

idk it's hard to do

[sudden sun]

People just hate change

I personally love it

without change there would be no progress

And progress is so satisfying

all these servers/networks still running 1.7.10 and below

so sickning

I'll say 1 thing though, 1.10.2 modded wrecks your PC lol

[elfin egret]

rip

[elfin egret]

Hi random question

I'm trying to implement support for multiple prefixes/suffixes

i.e. it will pull more than one prefix, and merge them together to form one

does anyone here have any comments / suggestions related to how the best way to do that is

assume that anything is possible, I just can't think of how best to do it

I'm leaning towards just setting a configurable value, and it will grab the highest however many prefixes based on priority

however that might be a bit limiting

[sudden sun]

Well with nucleus it's already possible

You can display any option in chat

[elfin egret]

right

I guess you can then just use different option names

i was more kinda asking regarding the built in system for LP

[sudden sun]

Just add a config

number of prefixs to display

display them in order of priority

make 1-3/3-1 configurable too

that's what sounds the simplest to me

[elfin egret]

Yeah

I probably will end up doing that

the nucleus dev replied to my thread

they do some pretty cool stuff in nucleus for formatting

i'll probably still add the feature for bukkit users though

[hot ether]

Hi

[ruby quest]

Evening

[sudden sun]

Can you filter verbose to a player?

[elfin egret]

Not atm

[elfin egret]

@sudden sun https://github.com/lucko/LuckPerms/commit/2dd0858960391feb1e76729502eed6d4c26c23ab

[sudden sun]

you already implimented it?

[elfin egret]

yes

just now

[sudden sun]

dang you're quick

[sudden sun]

@elfin egret so I seem to be having a little trouble with meta (options)

[elfin egret]

Sure

what's wrong

[sudden sun]

So you know a little about nucleous right?

[elfin egret]

yup

[sudden sun]

we use namecolor and chatcolor

but they don't seem to inherit as expected

[elfin egret]

hmm

ok give me 5 mins

[sudden sun]

higher rank's setting aren't overriding

[elfin egret]

just finishing something else

[sudden sun]

np

[elfin egret]

then I'll take a look

right

yeah I see

inheritance is kinda random atm

[sudden sun]

😦

[ruby quest]

xD

[elfin egret]

huh

i was planning a better way to set weights on options

never actually got around to doing it

[sudden sun]

Well any way to fix it atm?

[elfin egret]

yes

but it's hacky

and i'd only be able to make a user's own options override the ones they inherit

[sudden sun]

Ya we don't set options on the user

[elfin egret]

yup

you want them to behave like permissions

[sudden sun]

Hey idea/quick improment

[elfin egret]

the issue is, i store options as permissions

lol

[sudden sun]

/lp user <> info

make the command that it shows clickable

[elfin egret]

i've tried it before

[sudden sun]

blood has tons of those 😦

[elfin egret]

i didn't like the way the message looked

it actually worked fine

[sudden sun]

oh

[elfin egret]

but the < > looked bad

so I reverted it

like

really stupid

blame mojang

i like clickable msgs too

i'd like that sort of thing on the permission info menu too

"click to delete"

that sorta thing

also

i wouldn't mind trying Sponge's pagination service

but multi platform

that's the same story for clickable messages

I have to shade my own library for it

when I last tried it

i just used a fork of fanciful

without bukkit

[sudden sun]

It's okay. I'll deal

[elfin egret]

https://github.com/lucko/fanciful

[sudden sun]

ha ha

see that's your biggest problem

supporting a dead platform 😄

[elfin egret]

I can handle it 😎

[sudden sun]

spigot isn't dead but bukkit...

[elfin egret]

they're the same

[sudden sun]

spigot adds it's own stuff

[elfin egret]

same api

oh hardly

supporting multiplatform isn't so bad

i have tons of abstraction that makes it somewhat easy

my bungeecord implementation for example is only 8 classes

like 500 lines or w.e

[sudden sun]

nice

[elfin egret]

lol

yeah, 500 lines for bungeecord

but 20,000 lines in common

[sudden sun]

I'm difficult so ignore me anyhow

I'm very happy that i switched to LP

the few bugs, we'll work out eventually

[elfin egret]

mhm

was there something else you asked about earlier in the week?

i totally forgot

OH

tracks

[sudden sun]

I ask tons of things

[elfin egret]

I remember now

limit usage to specific servers

[sudden sun]

yep, but i thought we agree i was just making my own command

[elfin egret]

yes

i agree

😄