vivid sun
IGN - NZT48
Rank - Plat 3 (Peak Diamond 4)
Hey guys, I've been playing the game since late 2020, and have been hardstuck at every rank up to where I'm at now, but in plat, I feel like all of my teammates are underperformers. I'm coming here to see what I can do better in order to help turn the tide and start carrying my games! I want to rank up so bad! (but on merc ♥)
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1st point hold, and we couldn't beat their defenses when we attacked.
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daring tiger
I'm watching this game now, it's quite short so a lot of it comes down to just a few mistakes but there's definitely some stuff to talk about
Do you feel like you understood your role within the team comps you were playing?
vivid sun
TYSM! and I've been told to not focus on team comp until masters by Flats
He said that until then, it's a skill issue
But, if you think there's some exception with mercy, please teach me lol
daring tiger
I'm not saying to focus on having a good team comp, but I do think it's important to look at what your team comp is, because that affects how you should play
If you don't understand how to play with a certain team comp, I would also agree that's a skill issue
south fox
Since this is only 10 minutes and you start on defense, I might be up for doing a vod review video on this if you're okay with that, since I have nothing planned for this week
daring tiger
VOD sniped 😮
south fox
oh no you can still do yours!! i'd be much slower anyway
daring tiger
I'm just kidding lol, I'll probably still send something about it but I am working this week so I don't know whether I'll finish it or not, look forward to seeing yours though
vivid sun
I'm not saying to focus on having a good team comp, but I do think it's importan...
Ahh that makes much more sense, and no I haven't thought too much into that.
daring tiger
overall I think you played pretty well in this, like you only died 3 or 4 times in the 10 minutes, and at least one of those was basically a reset, the reason I asked about whether you felt like you knew your 'role' was because throughout the game there were times when I felt like you were either just doing the wrong thing or seemed unsure of what thing to be doing
Defense went really well for y'all so I'm gonna mostly ignore it - there were still mistakes but they basically went unpunished since it was practically a full hold and giving up a tick was very reasonable since it let you hold
vivid sun
I was definitely panicking behind the keyboard on attack. I felt lost.
And yes, I agree about those mistakes on defense
And thank you, at some points I was sweating at little
daring tiger
So these comps are a little weird, like Flats said, it's not worth worrying too much about your comp making sense, but it can be good to think about what your comp needs to be successful and what the enemy comp needs.
Here I would say that the enemy monkey wants to split your team core so that the backline can close in on queen or he can take out ana, and the enemy hanzo wants to look for picks, which will mean dealing with your hanzo.
Conversely, your queen wants to survive monkeys engage (doable - she has wild sustain lmao), and then she wants to abuse his position using her shotgun and knife and axe etc.
Given all that, I'd say you have 2 main jobs:
That's just my thought process though, which is by no means perfect, so if you have any ideas for other things that would be happening there or that you'd be responsible for, let me know because it's good practice for both of us to think about.
(Later into the round there were some swaps but I think the situation is fairly similar for you as mercy)
vivid sun
No, I agree with it and I had this philosophy in mind when I had a second to wait while respawning, But the panic had set in and I completely forgot my plans.
I also feel very uncertian of myself when planing
And most of my GA's are reactionary or they are used as positioning, and the rest I actually plan out. I need to find out how to get more strategic with it.
daring tiger
yeah, I'd say you move around more than you need to given that you're playing against this comp
they don't have any flankers, so if you're behind cover you can chill a bit more
I'm gonna talk about some of the teamfights now, and whether I think you were doing your job in them
so in the first teamfight on attack, I felt like your attention was a bit scattered, but there wasn't much more you could've done that fight, I think your rez on hanzo was nice, and he happened to get headshot again so that's unlucky
Again I think the rez on hanzo makes sense, and I do think it made sense to break out of your main job to go help queen, since she was in a rough spot.
What I don't think made sense was trying to kill the turrets, if your job is to stay alive and enable the hanzo, you gotta let someone else deal with turrets
it's giving this
the team loses this teamfight, and I do think that your mistake was what made them lose it
(let me know if I'm being too harsh by the way, I want to give gravity to mistakes but I don't wanna make you feel bad)
This valk is a pretty good example of you looking uncertain about what your job is I think, you spin around a lot trying to help the tank and then push to point but in the confusion your ashe ends up losing the duel you could've helped her win, and then since you go for the speedy rez your ana gets taken out by the same hanzo
This is the vibe of the valk for me:
and I totally understand that, it's so easy to get overwhelmed which is why I think it's good to practice thinking about what your job is in certain situations, doing it outside of games can help you be quicker and more confident doing it within a game
Also as a general note your hanzo/ashe is struggling so whenever I say you could've helped them win, that can be taken with a grain of salt lol
At this point I assume the stress was getting to you, because your positioning has been grand overall but here despite being in full cover you just start like moving around and get shot by the hanzo, basically ruining the team's last chance at a 5v5 fight
I'm putting a lot of the blame on you in these fights because it's a review for you, but the truth is that it resembles the swiss cheese model, if you think of each slice of cheese like an individual player and the holes are their individual mistakes, it takes several mistakes lining up to cause you to lose a teamfight
vivid sun
(let me know if I'm being too harsh by the way, I want to give gravity to mistak...
You aren't wrong, but if we were to review their VOD's we'd find similar instances. We all had mistakes that could have turned the fight, but not too harsh. I was 100% spreading myself too thin.
vivid sun
## TF 3
This valk is a pretty good example of you looking uncertain about what y...
Super insightful info here TYSM
vivid sun
Also as a general note your hanzo/ashe is *struggling* so whenever I say you cou...
lol OK, so sometimes that might mean pocketing a less than favorable but better preforming teammate?
vivid sun
## TF 4
At this point I assume the stress was getting to you, because your posit...
Damn when you put it like that 😲 (Not too harsh btw, it really makes me think)
vivid sun
I'm putting a lot of the blame on you in these fights because it's a review for ...
Ahhhh I see
I need to stay alive
Then there will be less holes
Provalone > Swiss
daring tiger
yeah exactly
and it's the same when you're helping someone in a duel, you're giving them more chances and better chances by giving them health and db, which can help patch up those holes and make sure they abuse the enemy's mistakes more
if you want, it could be helpful to think about what the team interactions would be from when you played on defense and whether that would have any impact on your jobs
vivid sun
Ah so putting myself in their shoes?
Basically trying to see what your worried about as far as them breaking down your defenses. Or do what I fear their team could do to tear down our comp?
daring tiger
yeah all of the above, it's just a good idea to look at both teams when you're in a match and try to understand how they're going to interact since it can help you be more prepared and less overwhelmed when stuff starts happening
vivid sun
OK ty
daring tiger
my thoughts on the defense interactions are like this (spoilered in case you want to think about it yourself first):
||No enemy mercy means your hanzo can take more aggressive angles, and you should support him in this. The enemy lifeweaver does mean however that their d.va can extend more aggressively onto you or that ana so you should keep more tabs on flypaths||
vivid sun
B4 checking spoiler:
I feel like pocketing Ashe would have been the best idea, because loosing that dual is huge, and they want to be at point, so if they are sticking back, then I need to help them because something's stopping them.
vivid sun
my thoughts on the defense interactions are like this (spoilered in case you wan...
100% Agree
And since Queen and Mei are both brawl, so that D.va should be toast.