what if you did somewhat purple-lish lighting?
#dusk-modding
blissful lion
can i only run lit?
honest stag
you mean light.exe?
you can turn off qbsp ig
if you''re using the GUI
just generating a .lit file - dunno about that one
blissful lion
is the fgd also limited to the quake color palette?
honest stag
Those two arent related
The fgd is just a text file full of entity definitions
The models are seen as-is pretty sure
blissful lion
idk the arrows dont look too green
blissful lion
do useless entity keys do any difference?
honest stag
Nah
We kept a lot of stuff in on the assumption that it'll be supported later
Consider the fgd as being in alpha just like the ssk untill it's fully done
Sdk*
blissful lion
i said cuz i get angle on lights when i copy and rotate them with the brushes
honest stag
That's automatically added by tb when you rotate stuff
Not fgd specific
Doesn't do anything tho
Dw
blissful lion
dw?
honest stag
Don't worry
blissful lion
k
worthy haven
Where do I find the dusk.wad file?
honest stag
in the pinned messages you'll find the dusk_transparent.wad
same as dusk.wad but includes a bunch of textures with transparency
worthy haven
cheers for the quick answer
worthy haven
Any news on when model replacements, scripting, etc will be possible?
blissful lion
honest stag
Any news on when model replacements, scripting, etc will be possible?
Ememy models can be replaced
Well most of them
blissful lion
so hdusk is possible?
blissful lion
except the lewd animations, which no one wants to see anyway
honest stag
lighting this up without making it too tacky will be quite a task
the doom 3 darkness isnt gonna cut it tho
blissful lion
light the room on fire👍
but actually i think it looks really cool
maybe add more torches
honest stag
im tweaking their delay/wait values rn just to see how it pans out
blissful lion
and maybe align those textures on top of the image
honest stag
there will be a cooler doorway later
blissful lion
im tweaking their delay/wait values rn just to see how it pans out
i dont wanna mess with those values
honest stag
instead of just a square cutout
blissful lion
seems like too much work
honest stag
almost there. too bright
or rather the light is spreading too far
juuuust a little tweak
there we go
i love lighting
honest stag
seems like too much work
not really
delay dictates the way light spreads, wait dictates how far it spreads
the lights above use delay 5, wait 1.5
oh and -bounce
blissful lion
are delays 3 and 4 the same on all waits?
honest stag
I think so yes
I do suggest you reference dumptruck's vid about this since he goes more in depth about all this
blissful lion
i dont he goes into too much detail
worthy haven
is it possible to replace weapon and item models as well
hearty berry
short solar
Super Dusk Maker
mild juniper
Sorry, Im out of the loop now, do we have any indication of when the SDK update will be released?
My project is roadblocked until that comes out
muted glacier
Nope 
still raptor
its being worked on very actively
blissful lion
its kinda weird that the first year you release regular updates and none the next year
still raptor
well, most of the updates that we released were to make the game playable at all in the sdk, so people could use it
but most of that boils down to us being a very small group of people, and having to work on what makes the most sense
blissful lion
i guess now its playable, but the bugs, performance and the fact you cant save makes it not fun to play
still raptor
right its a functional alpha so that people can still work on things
and thats about it
it will be a pretty big improvement when the update releases
blissful lion
well i just think more smaller improvements (updates) would be better
still raptor
unfortunately thats not possible
still raptor
thats not really the issue
the version of the SDK you currently have is attached to the base game like a tumor basically, its just hacked in functionality
the new version is a complete rewrite of everything
so there is no way to just incrementally do small updates, it has to be done in one go
still raptor
i would say the next update would be a beta, vs the current alpha proof of concept state
however we'll see, as there are varying levels of completeness we could release at
blissful lion
ah
still raptor
it will depend on what we want to do, and how we want to schedule it
blissful lion
so it will still be in beta branch
still raptor
however, after the next release, we can EASILY do incremental updates
blissful lion
cool
still raptor
eventually the goal is to completely replace the base version of dusk
still raptor
but that will only happen when it is able to replicate all functionality of the base game, which is why the alpha/beta model is being used
so people can still enjoy custom content if they want, without compromising the original experience
still raptor
that will be included in the coming update
blissful lion
still raptor
its one of the primary priorities of the coming update
as manual installation is a big barrier to entry for a lot of users
blissful lion
imo not knowing sdk exists is the big barrier
if you download it you might as well extract some zip files
still raptor
Well naturally we arent going to openly advertise the alpha version of the sdk, as its incomplete
blissful lion
sure
honest stag
Well naturally we arent going to openly advertise the alpha version of the sdk, ...
"Tweets by dave"
"Steam announcement"
"Server wide ping"
Smh
blissful lion
smallest amount for a jumppad is 1?
honest stag
How much is it and what's the speed
blissful lion
i just posted that cus its funny
the speed rn is 100
and distance is 1800
and it almost does full circle
honest stag
Makes sense then lol
blissful lion
is distance tied to speed
honest stag
I think speed is % wise per second but dont quote me on that
blissful lion
i changed the distance to 900 and it rotated the same
honest stag
So i set a 90 dist + 100 speed and i get 90 degrees per second exactly
Mb the distance is waaaay too large
Try testing it wuth 10/50/100 dist
blissful lion
idk i did 180 before with speed 100 and it moved like few centimeters
now 90 works
but wait doesnt so idk
blissful lion
is it okay if i have like 50 illusionaries with 64 faces each?
blissful lion
is there a target limit on multi_manager
ok it has
but i have 16 targets
16 should work
but the 16th doesnt in the game
blissful lion
gritty forge
muted glacier
it will depend on what we want to do, and how we want to schedule it
Whenever you guys release it, we'll be ready. Im sure everyone here understands that you guys are a small team and work your asses off. Its gonna be amazing, no matter how much longer it takes.
gritty forge
trenchbroom pro tip
bind a key for turning selections into detail
it helps with compile times, a little
and it'll help for vis for when that comes out
this too
and personally I would also rebind this because ` is easier to reach then ctrl+enter
gritty forge
if you had a lightproxy on a key couldn't you fool the player into thinking they picked up a blue key when its really red
gritty forge
he did.
alpine depot
if you had a lightproxy on a key couldn't you fool the player into thinking they...
if the player has light flares on that'd be a dead giveaway
honest stag
Thankfully no sane man keeps them on
honest stag
h
honest stag
Gonna walk over to ur house and place 0.125 spheres all over your maps inside your walls
So all your maps take decades to compile
blissful lion
i gotta do combat again
blissful lion
some entities
sharp trail
honest stag
Real balls to the wall approach
gritty forge
Hi, how do I fix missing the textures with dusk.wad? My game path: D:\Steam\steamapps\common\Quake\Id1\dusk_transparent.wad --- I did: Face > Texture Collection > + > Absolute > Ok
Googling doesn't help much. Lack of information.
honest stag
Are they all plain black? Or do they not appear at all
Right above "texture collections" there's a big list with all the tex
honest stag
pretty sure this means TB can't find the color palette
so, in your id1 folder, make another folder and name it gfx
then place this file inside of gfx
gritty forge
Okay I shall attempt
honest stag
and restart TB
gritty forge
Id1 or id1 just incase?
gritty forge
It didn't work unfortunately.
D:\Steam\steamapps\common\Quake\id1\gfx the pallete.imp is in the gfx
honest stag
try placing it into id1 as well
also
when you changed the letter in Id1 to id1, have you reset the game path in TB?
it doesn't update by itself
gritty forge
Yeah I closed it down, re-opened then redo the game path with the lowercase.
honest stag
try placing the palette into id1 as well then, and restarting
if THAT doesnt work either, try placing this into id1
honest stag
lets try moving away from the quake preset then
make a new map in the generic preset
and set the generic game path to id1
honest stag
can you send me a screenshot of your game path menu?
and the folder with palette.lmp
gritty forge
Sure hold up
honest stag
the theme, the combat, the set pieces
those would be the mine "3 pillars of a map"
the visuals like lighting would fit into the theme
gritty forge
oh yeah for sure
Sense of scale too would u say?
Ive made one before long time ago and it just feels small af
blissful lion
not too big
gritty forge
players would rush in and out in seconds
blissful lion
big laggy maps arent fun
gritty forge
aight cool
honest stag
first, and foremost - saving/loading is currently not the best in terms of functionality
so it's better to design a map without saving in mind for now
blissful lion
yeah not too hard
gritty forge
thx
blissful lion
and thats why not too long also
honest stag
city/ town - bad
also i'd disagree, you can easily make a town/city and not have it be too laggy
Black Industrial Misery by Skade is a good example
blissful lion
ill try that
but still it has to be kinda small
downtown showdown is really bad, but iirc it isnt sealed
honest stag
obv
but you can make a massive building as well, so it all comes down to your own sense of "too long"
DS wouldnt perform that much better with sealing
it's the enemy count
Shadow of Strelok lags somewhat, but as you clear enemies it becomes more manageable
blissful lion
yeah
honest stag
great maps, both of them tho
blissful lion
but sterlok has less buildings
honest stag
the amount of brushes would be quite similar to DS i think
in fact lemme compare bsp sizes
blissful lion
ds is 2x as large
honest stag
actually wow SoS is 1/2 of DS's size but performs similarly for me
blissful lion
sos performs better iirc
honest stag
regardless, the enemies are the biggest hurdle for sure
nuts.bsp is pretty good proof
blissful lion
oh
im prolly gonna have 104
and my map is sealed, and theres less chance of having a large number of enemies attacking you at once
blissful lion
can you extend the fast fire duration
honest stag
nah
honest stag
sometimes i press space while mapping and jumpscare myself thinking i deleted the map or smth
crisp raven
what makes a map fun? any tips
Pacing is important. The intensity level should vary throughout and create a balance of larger/tougher fights, and lower scale encounters. If you're just going from hallway to hallway fighting roughly the same amount of enemies the whole time it starts to become flat and boring. Variety is important to create an emotional arc throughout the level.
blissful lion
if you gradually introduce weapons you’ll also gradually increase the difficulty
then you can have some hallways and some arenas after one another and you have variety
honest stag
yooo the paper straw
blissful lion
so its bad
honest stag
sometimes i forget to reset textures after scaling brushes
dont be me
blissful lion
ig the gore is supposed to make you uncomfortable so its at least doing its job
but this is kinda cool
honest stag
also i just remembered
that whole part of the map gives really hard ultrakill act1-layer3 vibes
blissful lion
oh really
you should see what i have planned for the end 
and maybe Guts might not be a bad track to play in this part
blissful lion
sometimes i forget to reset textures after scaling brushes
dont be me
yo is the part of that statues head stuck in the wall?
blissful lion
cool
gritty forge
wow I can't wait for the custom entities update
crisp raven
My lost cat coming back home 
glossy sorrel
is it possible to have a shortcut to the sdk version
Slay the Spire is a game i rarely play due to the fact i cant make a shortcut to the mod loader since its a java file and im too lazy to install java for one thing, hoping its not similar here
gritty forge
is it possible to have a shortcut to the sdk version
ya
its just a .bat that launches the SDK
u can find the .bat files in ur sdk folder
gritty forge
loading_icon.png should be it in sdk\mnt\local\dusk\textures\ui
nevermin
i think it's icon5.png in dusk\goodies\icons
glossy sorrel
i dont have the goodies dlc installed for space reasons
is there a .ico anywhere or do i have to convert it myself
glossy sorrel
aight
blissful lion
is there a dummy func that can be parented to something?
honest stag
can probably use an unbreakable _breakable
blissful lion
but that disables any particles when you hit the brush
i used door with speed of zero
probably not gonna use that anyway
blissful lion
should i do trigger_multiple + func_door + func_button + trigger_hurt 120 times?
honest stag
and what does it do
blissful lion
kinda like a spike trap
honest stag
how does the player trigger it?
honest stag
what's the func_button for in that setup?
blissful lion
moves up the part that shows where spikes are gonna come from then triggers the door that is a spike
blissful lion
multi managers's delay accepts only full numbers?
honest stag
guess so
gritty forge
How to turn on world lighting? w/e u call it, light outside but dark inside
honest stag
Sunlight?
I suggest you look at dumptruck_ds tutorials about that, but in short -
You need a sky brush first (a brush with any texture that starts with 'sky' )a light entity, and a 'info_null' entity with any 'targetname' (for example, 123)
Give the light a property '_sun' and set it to 1, and a 'target' which is set to the targetname of your info_null (in this case, 123)
The sky brush will generate light in the direction of the info_null with all the properties of your light entity
Imma illustrate with screenshots if you want
toxic nymph
dusk is poopy
glossy sorrel
does load order matter or anything
blissful lion
for textures and sounds ig
glossy sorrel
am i just stupid or is the load order changed every time i load the game up
honest stag
for textures and sounds ig
Also this affects maps (if for some reason you have 2 maps with the same name)
glossy sorrel
It resets into alphabetical
that just seems impractical
honest stag
It'll be changed later
glossy sorrel
is there any way to save a load order yourself instead of having it be reset every time you load the game
like at this point ill take renaming files
glossy sorrel
would renaming the dusk folder break anything
gritty forge
nah not that I know
you can prolly pull it out of the steam folder too if you want
oh you mean the one in mnt? yeah that's also fine
glossy sorrel
this may be obvious but im kinda stupid so:
would mods like Trespasser that add a map and textures also load those textures in the base game or exclusively within that map
crisp raven
If the trespasser content is placed higher in the load order then it overwrites whatever is below it
glossy sorrel
so i should place it lowest i assume?
honest stag
i dont know about you but for me the load order is from bottom to top lol
for some reason
glossy sorrel
i dont know about you but for me the load order is from bottom to top lol
w h y
glossy sorrel
also thanks for playing trespasser
have yet to actually play it, busy making sure the game doesnt immediately contract multiple diseases by attempting to run multiple mods
it does look interesting though
honest stag
i suggest you dont use any retexture mods with it just in case
sounds are fine
there are like 5-6 retextured enemies and veven worked hard on em
we dont use any non-retextured ones
or vanilla tex i guess
glossy sorrel
would the alt pistol texture be fine? i dont see a pistol texture in the weapon folder
glossy sorrel
a tilde put the texture and sound mods i have at the top but the + i put before dusk put it at the bottom
curious
should i put texture/sound mods above dusk itself or no
glossy sorrel
im trying to think of a way to have trespasser enabled while not having its textures get into anything else and im not sure if thats possible
ancient depot
You can put trespasser below dusk
Then you'll have trespasser's maps, but it won't override any of dusk's standard textures
glossy sorrel
why is the fakedos font different now
ancient depot
The font would change if something failed to load
Did you accidentally disable dusk?
glossy sorrel
nope
glossy sorrel
literally disabled trespasser and removed it from the mod folder and the font is still jank
ancient depot
Then perhaps the dusk folder is corrupted somehow
glossy sorrel
oh did you rename it?
yup, put a Z before it so it would be higher in load order
glossy sorrel
oh you mean the one in mnt? yeah that's also fine
.
ancient depot
Renaming it won't affect load order
It's not based on names
The modding menu has arrows on each mod that let you reorder them
glossy sorrel
The modding menu has arrows on each mod that let you reorder them
it reorders itself every time i open the game based on the alphabetical order of the files
ancient depot
Did you click apply after reordering?
glossy sorrel
yup
ancient depot
You can try editing your dusk.ini
There should be a setting in there called mounts iirc
which is the mod names in order separated by ;
glossy sorrel
file names or internal names
ancient depot
the names of the folders in mnt/local
glossy sorrel
You can try editing your dusk.ini
where is that located
ancient depot
SDK/config
glossy sorrel
i dont see a config folder
ancient depot
🤨
oh right
the sdk has a different layout
it should be in usr
and then it'll be user.ini, if I remember right
it's something like that, I forget the layout of the public build
Okay I checked the code
It should be in SDK/bin/win_x64/config
glossy sorrel
aight
glossy sorrel
i cant tell if this is mod related but why the fuck does the game get stuck on the loading screen between levels
gritty forge
what
glossy sorrel
decided to play the first level to test something and when i beat it the game had the usual load screen come up but when i pressed a key the hud loaded over the usual load screen and i can shoot but thats it
i think im in limbo, help
glossy sorrel
why does it do that
gritty forge
when a map fails to load
glossy sorrel
also why did it fail
i literally just played the level normally
i can load it up in the select screen but that only gives me the sickles and id rather not basically be playing intruder mode
glossy sorrel
when a map fails to load
is there a solution to that or no
gritty forge
make the map load lol
glossy sorrel
make the map load lol
wow incredibly helpful thanks
gritty forge
yw 👍
glossy sorrel
also i just played through a modded level and it transitioned to the next one without any issue
why is it only a problem with vanilla levels
gritty forge
decided to play the first level to test something and when i beat it the game ha...
what key did u press? just any key at the end stats screen?
glossy sorrel
i assume being in the like 4 people who use a controller doesnt break anything
gritty forge
no idea
glossy sorrel
are there any mods that cause this or is it something unrelated
ive disabled all level mods and i only have textures/sounds enabled, so i assume its not mods?
well i have base dusk enabled obviously
crisp raven
It should be noted that it is definitely NOT recommended to play vanilla campaign levels in the SDK
glossy sorrel
It should be noted that it is definitely NOT recommended to play vanilla campaig...
sad
gritty forge
e3m1 has a t posing mage somewhere
glossy sorrel
how am i possibly meant to play at maximum efficiency without every texture being big john
but yeah in hindsight i probably should have expected the campaign to be a little jank in SDK
ancient depot
The campaign is 100% not supported in the SDK right now
It's basically only there because people would complain if it wasn't
lol
glossy sorrel
is it worth backing up the mods i have for SDK myself or should i just reinstall the few mods i have when i feel like not playing the campaign
ancient depot
I don't think Steam will delete the SDK folder when you switch branches, but if you have a bunch of them it might be worth backing them up
You could also just backup the SDK folder itself and use it outside of Steam to play the SDK
and then go back to regular dusk on steam
glossy sorrel
will SDK ever actually work with the campaign
glossy sorrel
hey atleast i got 3 trading cards out of my time playing SDK
ancient depot
i hope it has full base quake 1 and HL functionality <:beegpog:86717996417128863...
Well I dunno about full, but more than there is right now
gritty forge
How do i slow down camera movement?
honest stag
wdym? that's how it works tho
gritty forge
cant really see anything on manual
dunno then 😦
fk nvm i wasnt moving camera while scrolling
honest stag
by "hold right click" i mean while you have control of the camera
blissful lion
oh damn you cant parent teleport destinations
blissful lion
ok so all the func_illusionaries i parented to func_door_rotating have been rotating around the door's origin, but now this new illusionary on a new door is rotating around the origin relative to 0 0 0, like door_rotatings always do
all the other illusionaries rotate like before
if its jank can at least be consistent?
also, trenchbroom stopped showing those lines between targeted entities that are new
idk if these things are related
honest stag
you have to find the guns, it's not possible to have the player with them as they start a map from the menu
fathom vine
But in the video he appears with the sword and the supershotgun
honest stag
which video?
fathom vine
Can I send links?
honest stag
yea
fathom vine
honest stag
it was probably just cheated in
type nbkfa in game
yea looks like it was simply cheated
honest stag
np
crisp raven
They cheated 😔
worthy haven
Is it possible to change skybox textures?
blissful lion
probably
honest stag
yes
well
depends on what you mean
in campaign or in custom levels?
you can do custom levels for sure, but i'm not exactly certain about campaign
they are present in the files so maybe you can
blissful lion
btw, you can chain parent at least 9 func_wall_toggles
help my rats have gone white
honest stag
Do you have any other mods enabled?
Try restarting the game in any case
This looks familiar but i can't quite remember what caused it
blissful lion
okay yeah just restarted
glossy sorrel
"help my rats have gone white" is something you can only say when talking about Dusk
fathom vine
hey i cant install quake maps please help
I open the SDK version I go to modding and activate the maps but when I go to custom level it appears empty
ancient depot
What do the folders look like?
fathom vine
I deleted them because to try again but if it doesn't work I'll show you
@ancient depot I send you a capture to #tv-movie-comics by means because it does not leave me here
great it doesn't let me send messages in media either
ancient depot
You can post it on a private server and post the link here
ancient depot
Well, the rewrite supports loading Half-Life and Quake from Steam without needing to copy around files yourself
So... that's a given
crisp raven
help my rats have gone white
Just had this problem an hour ago 🤔
glossy sorrel
if i open the SDK version (the files arent deleted and i appear able to still open it through the batch file) despite already moving back to the main DUSK branch will anything break
ornate jacinth
https://youtu.be/577WdrwQEFQ
yes
blissful lion
is there any way to detect enemies, like trigger_multiple
honest stag
None that i know of
honest stag
here's a screenshot that zombie shared of the first half life 2 level loaded in unity tho
long ass time ago
honest stag
dunno
there was a comically large list they shared of games which are supported tho
or their maps, specifically
shit like soldier of fortune, daikatana, jedi academy
dunno if that's still relevant
also stalker (somehow)
blissful lion
that work now or zombie ss
honest stag
not yet
blissful lion
damn door rotating parents nicer that normal door
blissful lion
honest stag
piss stream
honest stag
Jumppads have a slight woosh sound
blissful lion
how do i make randomness
ancient depot
here's a screenshot that zombie shared of the first half life 2 level loaded in ...
damn is that really the one I shared? there's a much nicer one that had the lightmaps loaded
but yes that list of games it can load maps from is accurate still
not that you should use any of those map formats in your mods lol, BSP2 is still the recommended format to use
they're mostly supported for gimmick reasons, and since people making their own games using the eventual SDK source release might find it useful
ancient depot
if i open the SDK version (the files arent deleted and i appear able to still op...
nah, you can still use it perfectly fine
blissful lion
wait so i (hypothetically) will be able to use everything you coded for my unity game?
ancient depot
yeah
blissful lion
for free?
ancient depot
yup
blissful lion
really cool of you
ancient depot
more moddable games is a plus in my book
blissful lion
im gonna suggest this to viscerafest dev
ancient depot
selling it would be counterproductive to that goal
plus -- we make money from the games themselves
blissful lion
new blood games?
ancient depot
yeah
I guess we could have some kind of licensing thing for the source, but that's a mess to set up legally and again would defeat the purpose of "anyone can use this to start building mod support for their game"
It's already annoying/prohibitive enough that Unity itself follows the "pay to access the source" model
still raptor
i think what we stand to gain if we were to license it would be very little compared to what the average unity game would gain by having powerful mod support and mapping tools
blissful lion
if you send a trigger multiple into the shadow realm right after it has been triggered it wont work next time (i think)
ancient depot
i think what we stand to gain if we were to license it would be very little comp...
This is a good way of putting it
I was having trouble articulating it
blissful lion
he means sales of dusk with mod support would bring more than licensing ?
ancient depot
He's saying that releasing the code for all to use would be more beneficial in the long run
If we locked that behind a paywall, it wouldn't really benefit us all that much so there's no point
blissful lion
model of pseudo randomizer based on location
worthy haven
they are present in the files so maybe you can
Custom levels of course.
honest stag
there's a bit of a step-by-step required for that
gimme a minuty
you need to add some worldspawn properties
a total of 6, for each side of the cube
and add the side textures to your mod folder
so it would look like this
"sky_up" "textures/skybox_top.png"
"sky_down" "textures/skybox_stars_bottom.png"
"sky_left" "textures/skybox_left.png"
"sky_right" "textures/skybox_right.png"
"sky_back" "textures/skybox_stars_back.png"
"sky_front" "textures/skybox_stars_front.png"
the file names are anything obviously
also keep in mind that left and right are switched around
if that's a bit confusing i can illustrate
worthy haven
Alright, I'll keep in mind till I get there. Thank you for your help tho.
blissful lion
this randomiser is fucking stupid
can you please add a trigger_random that works like multi manager but instead of delay in the key values its chance of triggering
blissful lion
the randomiser alone is gonna be 67 entities
crisp raven
Reminds me of those Minecraft computers
blissful lion
it was like i was doing redstone on pocket edition
muted glacier
Oh god. RNG machines..... So jank. I remember trying to make some monstrocity like that.
muted glacier
Location based. Not sure if you could even make one off time with the functionality we have right now.
blissful lion
prolly the same setup i have instead of all triggers being active you turn them on/off so only one is active at a time
def easier then what i have
but i cant use time based, cus it loops
honest stag
i find myself mapping with the grid off more and more often
only enabling it for more precise stuff like cutting brushes
each one is a completely different folder
one of them is a hammer editor thing
i literally click through every single one instead of just iunno removing some
blissful lion
i have grid at 1 non stop
alpine depot
looking horrific
what the fuck
crisp raven
i have grid at 1 non stop
Why not press 0 to disable the grid altogether?
blissful lion
that just disables the lines
crisp raven
Yeah that's what I meant
blissful lion
i always press 0 and 1
crisp raven
So you always use grid size 1 when making your maps?
crisp raven
Precise!
honest stag
that's
that doesnt sound good
i cant imagine making room layouts with less than 8
actually i can
i used to do that and leaks/adjusting nightmares were common
blissful lion
i think i only had like 1 geometry leak when i was sealing
the others i found before
gritty forge
jesus
not 16 or 32
damn I just had a false memory
thought I remembered proj shooter objects being able to hit func_buttons with health
tried it out & they dont
would have been awesome
glossy sorrel
the Hellsing mod is the sole reason im now interested in watching Hellsing
glossy sorrel
i wish the SDK version was both up to date and that it wouldnt have a seizure while playing the campaign solely because of that pistol texture
https://dusk.mod.io/hellsing-x-dusk i mean its not just Alucard's pistols to be fair
it has a few other goodies which is interesting when playing Endless
the loading icon doesnt seem to work but oh well
blissful lion
i made the randomiser a little better
heres the map if anyone wants to test it
the bottom 4 blocks are starting inputs (buttons), choose one when starting then dont touch them again
the upper blocks are outputs
textures on the floor are the different zones
it should work like that that it shouldnt do the same output 2 times in a row
it shouldnt break unless you exit the room
gritty forge
funct_hurt makes my lava invisible, why?
blissful lion
you mean trigger_hurt
triggers are invisible
if you wanna have solid lava, make it a normal brush and put trigger_hurt on top of it
blissful lion
teeth?
gritty forge
Teeth
gritty forge
Does this look cool? https://imgur.com/a/SLXRrUW
gritty forge
noice yeah go for it
honest stag
if you use a texture that starts with the * symbol. it'll become animated like water (and you can swim in it)
so it'll be wavey and move around a little
and quake has a pretty cool lava texture
lemme give ya the wad that has one
gritty forge
Actually got quake wad already
honest stag
this one is the one i'm talkin about
gritty forge
took me awhile to find the right texture for metals and shit
oh damn that does look good
honest stag
it's even better thanks to being animated
blissful lion
where?
blissful lion
thanks
gritty forge
shiet i cant load maps into sdk anymore
blissful lion
?
honest stag
that's fine
gritty forge
it wont load on SDK tho?
honest stag
you only need .bsp and maybe .lit if you ahve it
what files are you getting? their formats
honest stag
.lit files are generated if you're using colored lights anywhere at all
honest stag
what does the compiler show?
gritty forge
how i do that
honest stag
are you compiling manually or with the GUI?
gritty forge
im saving it as document
then drag it to qbsp/lit
light*
was working b4 idk why
honest stag
when you drag it over to qbsp it shows a console and compiles your map, right?
gritty forge
yeah
honest stag
if it didnt generate a .bsp, then something went wrong and it should show what
can you send me your .map in dms?
honest stag
i'll try myself then
gritty forge
yeahs ure
honest stag
it compiled just fine for me
actually i'll just keep talkin in dms that would make more sense
blissful lion
help my randomiser breaks because a door gets stuck in open state
what could cause that
blissful lion
ok the randomiser is absolute shit
should i just do a pre made sequence that seems random?
crisp raven
Yes
blissful lion
new teeth
blissful lion
fuck it, both types
gritty forge
ow
blissful lion
spikes
if you are strafe jumping you are guaranteed to get hit, so you have to stop
blissful lion
blissful lion
i wanna make a boss thats better than all dusk bosses
im halfway there already by having more attacks than every one except Jacob
but i guess 1 attack is gonna have more versions so thats 4.5, 0.5 more than Jacob
gritty forge
oh god, what the fuck?
i just loaded escher labs in the sdk
picked up ssg and shot it at the first soldier i saw
map immediately flips into weird non euclidean state
ancient depot
Now you see why the campaign isn't supported in that build lol
crisp raven
Will the next update bring the somewhat random feature of walls that can be shot through?
blissful lion
i want trigger_random
blissful lion
gritty forge
wtf spoilers!111
blissful lion
you already saw the other screenshots which were all planned for the end of the map
gritty forge
blissful lion
if you wanna catch up play this
gritty forge
fuck yeah alright imma play it now
blissful lion
lol
if you want you can play on a lower difficulty since you cant save
full map is gonna have like 100 enemies
gritty forge
nah allg i like a challenge
blissful lion
cool
gritty forge
no sorry i got cornered 😛
maps good so far man but enemies dont ever come out of doors
blissful lion
thats a game bug
blissful lion
just put the music to max
gritty forge
maps good so far man but enemies dont ever come out of doors
yeah this is a well known bug in the sdk rn
navmesh's dont give a shit
we have to use spawnflag 33 and a hacky multi_manager to get it to generate properly
@blissful lion car sound work and im not sure where to go after killing eye
blissful lion
thats the end rn
blissful lion
no 4 is all
gritty forge
ok cool
blissful lion
inthe 2nd part is copy pasted
gritty forge
ya i guessed that
blissful lion
you can try this to see more arenas
it starts after the walls crawl up
pick up the weapons and press that big bone button and wait
then go trough the door
you need the lit file too
gritty forge
aight
blissful lion
thanks for playing
gritty forge
ez
blissful lion
was it hard going trough that hole up from the garage into the ground floor?
blissful lion
yeah thats the end for now
gritty forge
noice this is good work
gritty forge
ye for 1st map
blissful lion
is it laggy?
blissful lion
why cant you?
honest stag
I lost my obs settings + my laptop has been shitting the bed recently
blissful lion
lmao
gritty forge
no
honest stag
All recordings are super low fps
gritty forge
im just burned out
blissful lion
f
gritty forge
too ambitious for a newbie
honest stag
What difficulty did u play on
gritty forge
rip viska lapdop
blissful lion
crimson patrol
i think there should be atleast a message that tells you its about to spin, cause it doesnt have much warning
blissful lion
idk it only does 10 damage
blissful lion
plug?
haughty slate
Roles are just based on how many messages you've sent
i see thanks
blissful lion
blissful lion
maybe too much faces on those teeth but it looks so cool
gritty forge
hoping to drop a blockout here by sunday
gritty forge
maybe too much faces on those teeth but it looks so cool
this would be an awesome switch
besides if it was a switch all those faces wouldn't be used too often
make sure to use _phong on those
spare haven
Any way to modify weapon damage yet?
blissful lion
anyone wanna playtest my bossfight?
wait a few seconds before going into the teleporter
the idea is you shoot the thing in the middle
it has 2 phases
each phase has 8000 health
primal talon
Does anyone know when dusk workshop comes?
honest stag
primal talon
🆗
gritty forge
any good sites that have texture wads?
muted glacier
@gritty forge this should suffice lmao
https://www.quaddicted.com/files/wads/
honest stag
quaddicted is good, but you can also grab any half-life/counter strike 1.6 wads and covert them to the proper quake format
gritty forge
damnn
gritty forge
external textures sumday
gritty forge
anyone wanna playtest my bossfight?
https://youtu.be/l7hlZayo3qM 1st attempt
https://youtu.be/JCeiMcsWXEY 2nd attempt
https://youtu.be/v8KEe12qifo 3rd attempt
would be nice if the video quality wasn't shit, but im too lazy to change the settings
the circular walls makes the bone walls look more confusing
i like how you can duck under the projectile turrets, maybe for an attack you could make something you have to duck under to change it up
very cool boss 👍
blissful lion
really thanks
i think you cant duck under fireballs, you just went in between shots
i guess the teeth attack isnt clear enough
ill prolly give you full morale too in the full map
gritty forge
no, i'm pretty sure you can crouch under them
blissful lion
ill check
i was gonna have the teeth attack be able to crouch under, but it felt too easy
and an attack that you can only avoid by crouching under might not be clear enough
nope, you cant crouch
now, which music fits better?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cvhXKWLgvg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hszelincU8
short solar
can you make like, a flashlight come out of an enemy
like can you make it look like an enemy has a flashlight they're using
gritty forge
can you make like, a flashlight come out of an enemy
probably not, the only thing that comes to mind is lighting up an enemy and using a spotlight light but that's static, not dynamic
short solar
what if you attach a really bright transparent cone to their model
honest stag
or you could just edit their model
it'll look... weird
but will work better than anything else
haughty slate
hye uuuh
I was making a new map and the doors ain't working
like when you press E it's like they are walls for the game
anyone knows why that happens?
alright, apparently rotating doors don't work for me a shame, does anyone know a fix?
blissful lion
do your doors have a targetname?
ancient depot
rotating doors work via goldsrc rules, so if you aren't using a goldsrc mapping tool to set them up, you'll probably run into problems right now
blissful lion
youre telling me door rotating's dumb inconsistent jank is because i use tb?
haughty slate
Oh wow great
honest stag
alright, apparently rotating doors don't work for me a shame, does anyone know a...
Well they do work
They're just tricky to use
Its unintuitive
If you want i'll drop a "guide" in your dns
Dms
ancient depot
basically rotating doors are implemented "properly" according to goldsrc
the problem is that non-goldsrc editors don't have the functionality you need to actually set them up
so an alternative way to do them is required
blissful lion
so the origin property is not enough?
ancient depot
as far as I know, no
ancient depot
you can, but it requires you to put the door brush at 0,0,0
blissful lion
yeah kinda
but its weird cus sometimes stuff parented to the door rotate with the door and sometimes correctly around the origin point
worthy haven
Is it possible to make and publish a map with dusk and quake textures?
Currently working on a little something
crisp raven
Yes
worthy haven
Thank you!
haughty slate
Is it possible to make and publish a map with dusk and quake textures?
Currentl...
I'm using half life textures recently that I converted in a quake compatible wad
jolly lodge
honest stag
sniped
short solar
first thing i'm gonna when i learn how to make dusk maps and get good at it, is recreate the entirety of ravenholm as a 3-5 part map series, including the mines, which will now be filled with rats instead of headcrabs
alpine depot
lol good luck
I'd totally play that
wouldn't be too hard to recreate it save for the fast zombies climbing on pipes etc, general brushwork could be more or less easy to replicate
tho obviously dusk plays different than hl2 so you'd have to consider how the enemy roster would fare in the levels alongside dusk dude's batshit movement capabilities
when you use something as versatile and easy to get into as trenchbroom its not much a matter of learning how to actually make the maps its more how you design the recreations to play better in a totally different game environment lol
like if you watch an HL2 speedrun that's basically what you could accomplish easily in dusk what with bhopping and all
so it'd be a bit tricky but regardless that sounds awesome lol
honest stag
I also wanted to recreate stuff at first lol
Quickly found that making own ideas is more fun
But hey maybe it's your cup of tea
still raptor
Hello dusk modders
blissful lion
hello
crisp raven
500_pts finally unlocked the door to the basement to give us our weekly ration of food
blissful lion
the food is literally just attention
nimble prawn
short solar
ok idea for my ravenholm maps, not sure if it's doable tho: Every Father Grigori appearance is replaced by a Scarecrow who ignores the player and only shoots enemies
also the scarecrow is invincible
gritty forge
😐
blissful lion
muted glacier
Youre so fucking talented @blissful lion Ive given up in TB for a bit. I just have so many projects right now in all different things and im still deciding what to continue and what to scrap before I finish anything.
crimson patrol
Jesus thats awesome
honest stag
Neato
Thats a bunch of wall toggles im assuming?
blissful lion
the middle trigger hurts are way off
instead of like that
it damages in this zone
@ancient depot if trigger_hurt is touching trigger_teleport trigger_hurt gets missplaced
ancient depot
Most bug reports like this don't apply to the proper SDK since it works fundamentally differently, I'll note it but this probably only happens in the TumorSDK
blissful lion
i figured but just to be sure
blissful lion
new version of the boss
honest stag
i'll give it a go
blissful lion
thanks
honest stag
i didnt realise you had to actually shoot the heart lol
i thought the yellow thing was impenetrable
as you can see my fps is garbage because the laptop is garbage
blissful lion
f
its gonna say something like: ITS THE HEART OF THE CREATURE! SHOOT IT REPEATEDLY
honest stag
it would be neat if there was some feedback as you shoot it
like maybe splitting the shield into 2 breakable toggles? one normal and 1 cracked halfway?
or some invisible breakable glass that breaks before you break the yellow one at like 25/50/75%
since you cant come close to it anyway
blissful lion
idk
that means i would have to have more breakables and that would waste the extra damage after one breaks
blissful lion
yeah but there will be some damage lost
honest stag
what do you mean?