dusk-modding

[dire furnace]

hell yea

hmm

[blissful lion]

when dusk map tier list

or leaderboard

[gritty forge]

already have one

these little buttons on dusk.mod.io

[blissful lion]

well kinda but the older maps got more attention than newers

[gritty forge]

literal machine

can't believe torii made all of the summer AND spring jam maps on their own 🥲

[crisp raven]

Yeah made all of them under different aliases

[blissful lion]

when theres noone else to do it you gotta do it yourself

[crisp raven]

Maybe I'll release something next year 😢

[alpine depot]

we are all torii

the hivemind grows stronger every day

[honest stag]

wait what

skip should work

100%

hold on lemme get you the one i use

also what kind of effect are you trying to achieve

just in case

[muted glacier]

I dont know why mine didnt work.. Heres what dumptrucks covers;

[gritty forge]

should work fine

[honest stag]

prototype has an almost identical skip tex

try the one from that wad

[muted glacier]

Oooooooooooooo were 🧰dusk-mods⚒ now. Nice

[dire furnace]

at least it's not 🌆dusk-mods

[gritty forge]

this is a personal attack

[blissful lion]

yeah i wasn’t specific there

they work as in theyre skipped, but readme says theyre still supposed to be solid

theyre not

[gritty forge]

as in invisible but walkable

that's just func_clip

usually you'd use the clip texture for that on surfaces but i don't think it works in the SDK so we have func_clip

[blissful lion]

no but you can shoot trough clip

[gritty forge]

so you want a func_clip you can't shoot through

that should be possible

[blissful lion]

ik you could just stretch out the see trough texture

the one with { i think

or renderamt 0

[gritty forge]

lol think that's what i did for disregard

yeah, guess you'll just need to use renderamt 0

skip removes a face, clip texture does same as skip but func_clip is walkable
all of them are shoot through

[honest stag]

tomorrow is the day i can finally get back to mappin

and what a day it'll be

[gritty forge]

how come the dusk4.fgd objects don't have a default angles key

[honest stag]

Cuz holding alt and pressing arrow keys is a better way of turning objects that also assigns a n angle property

Or pressing r

Actually i haven't touched tb in a while so pressing r may not be a thibg

[blissful lion]

rotate tool

[honest stag]

Yes the hotkey for the rotate tool

[muted glacier]

Finally got the map all sealed off with invisible barriers. Way more exhausting than I wanted it to be at 2 am. Should be done some time in 2022

I remember when I was delusional and thought I would have it done by this past October.

[honest stag]

i dont think anyone has ever finished a map before the deadline they set lol

it's always either right on time or way over it

well actually Jedly has

Jedly is a chad

[crimson patrol]

What did he make

[honest stag]

jam maps for every jam

way before deadline

[crimson patrol]

Oh sick

I remember my delusional August deadline lmao

Tbf I was nearly done with the first ver

[wet marlin]

@honest stag, please do not discuss politics.

[honest stag]

???????????

[crimson patrol]

Lmao

[honest stag]

ok then

anyway i was VERY ILL during july so i had to drop my jam map

which was a shame since it was a collab with aqua

[crimson patrol]

[honest stag]

i still got a screenshot from it somewhere hold on

it took a look of fuckin around with textures

[crimson patrol]

Texturing is really fun

[alpine depot]

I somehow made my winter jam map in 10 days

I am still baffled by this fact

i have yet to recover from the burnout it caused me

but it was so fuckin worth it its a cool goddamn map even if it might set someone's computer on fire

[honest stag]

the wood 10 incident, december 2020

[alpine depot]

NOOOOO

oh god I forgot about that

bwahahaha

I will never touch the spacebar again

can't believe that was what caused it

literally wouldn't let me compile the map

I thought I would've had to delete entire sections of the map to fix it

but no the texture "wood 10" had a space in it and the compiler DID NOT like thag

and restarting trenchbroom revealed that it did not like the texture either, it was warping and distorting like crazy, like it was physically struggling to render it

one space makes an insane difference like wtf

[crimson patrol]

You can edit the spaces of the textures out in notepad

And then replace the the textures

When i used a texture with a spacebar the .map would fail to start up at all

[alpine depot]

yeah thats what I did initially

then vriska converted it to valve format for me I think

OH WAIT yeah it wasn't that it couldn't compile it was that it wouldn't load and kept erroring out

and I was getting super pissed until we figured out the problem

and then I was angry at that not being something that could've been caught by TB

[honest stag]

the only reason i figured it out is because i opened the map in a text editor after reading the crash message that referred to a certain specific brush

which had something weird about it related to the texture name but i dont remember what

[crimson patrol]

You can tell its a texture issue from the error message, where it expects something but gets a space instead

[honest stag]

which we figured out eventually

it wasnt exactly clear as it kept crashing

[honest stag]

yea that's where i looked

exactly cuz of that message

[alpine depot]

can probs find the logs in beer books

too lazy to find em now

[honest stag]

we did it in dms i think

pretty sure

[alpine depot]

oh yeah that as well

[crimson patrol]

It expects the bracket for coordinates but gets the number or whatever

[alpine depot]

started in BB tho I think

[crimson patrol]

Did you use a custom texture with that name?

[alpine depot]

yep

[crimson patrol]

What if you wanted to go to heaven, but God said
"At line 92182, column 65: expected '[', but got integer (raw data: '10')

[vast palm]

https://twitter.com/wwwtyro/status/666583785807286273

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Not sure but this might be useful to some in this channel

[crimson patrol]

Certainly so, I could make a skybox there and then edit it to my liking

[mild juniper]

Merry Xmas you dirty dogs

[muted glacier]

[sour hollow]

def could get some use outta this

[gritty forge]

god this is eldritch horror shit

no wonder people use obj2map for terrain

[muted glacier]

All by hand because im a masochist

before and after

[gritty forge]

[muted glacier]

Or this fucking nightmare fuel

[gritty forge]

all of that is by hand

oh god

[muted glacier]

yeah. I never knew Obj2map or any map programs existed. and even now I still do it by hand because I like the manual look better

Potential Snow map

[blissful lion]

on how many maps are you wokring on rn

[crimson patrol]

that terrain could go with a little less polygons hehe

[gritty forge]

Secret duskworld information

[gritty forge]

were is iut

[muted glacier]

Im really only working on 1 currently, but most screenshots are from maps I chose to stop working on, or maps that I plan to work on again after my curremt one is finished.

[blissful lion]

wrong reply but np

also brush rat

[muted glacier]

Damn you right. Im stupid 😂

[mild juniper]

ha cute

[foggy creek]

Dusk lowpoly rat plushie when

[honest stag]

oh hey i also have a scrapped christmas map from last year lol

[blissful lion]

yo how many maps have like a gore ending

[crisp raven]

It's like the #1 DUSK custom map trope

[blissful lion]

ok cool

what if it was better?

[crisp raven]

Better how?

[blissful lion]

like actually interesting

[crisp raven]

I mean interesting level design is always welcome

[muted glacier]

Dumb question. What is a gore ending?

[crisp raven]

An ending that uses the gore textures

Like the last part of the level with heavy use of gore

[blissful lion]

makes a level based on a realistic place

scrolls down trough the wad, finds the gore textures

"oh these look pretty neat"

uses them overwhelmingly at the end of the map

thats how you get gore ending

[crimson patrol]

Oh yea like the end of that strelok map by manniacc

[blissful lion]

is it just me or are textures in a lot of maps all over the place

not literally, it would be bad if they wouldnt

[crisp raven]

What do you mean?

[blissful lion]

idk, like theres too many different ones, they dont match, and some are differently scaled than others

[crisp raven]

That happens a lot in first maps for sure

[crimson patrol]

Well the dusk texture set is quite limited

[blissful lion]

not that much

maybe it lacks some colors

[blissful lion]

couldnt be me

one floor texture

everywhere

[crimson patrol]

Couldn't be me, i have thousands of sven coop textures and none of them match with each other 😎

[blissful lion]

isnt that a half life mod?

so arent they hl textures then

[crimson patrol]

I don't think they were in half life

They look custom made

[blissful lion]

idk i just looked at the steam page and it shows a lot of ss from og hl levels

[crisp raven]

Having too few textures is a problem I had with many of my first maps. Textures are something to balance

[honest stag]

Stuff is convertable

[blissful lion]

idk what you mean, but you just said a weird meme crossover

[foggy creek]

Only betas use gore endings, chads use gore starts.

Also I moved trenchbroom to a new drive and now this wut happen?

[muted glacier]

The texture wad youre pulling from is in a different location now. You need to change the path

[foggy creek]

okay

Am I dumb or am I dumb?

the file paths are the same right?

is this a pallete thing?

[honest stag]

Probably yes if it were my guess

[foggy creek]

does trenchbroom need the pallete?

[honest stag]

Yea

Check the console

To be sure

[foggy creek]

it seems it failed

also this

[honest stag]

Try just resetting your folders

And moving things around

[gritty forge]

can we expect a trigger_sound in the sdk update

for when caleb says something or other sting / sound effects

[alpine depot]

yeah id love something akin to an ambient_generic for multiple sounds

[gritty forge]

I am having the same error

[gritty forge]

if yall still need help i'd check the path to your id1 folder

I fixed it

oh

just needed to go to trenchbroom, preferences, quake, and set the game path to the Dusk Modding folder

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2298392941

this guide is good

needs an update

maybe when the sdk gets an update

hopefully

the fix was in a small paragraph so had a hard time finding it

yeah

layout's a little confusing

and it only shows how to set up the tools, not how to actually get started mapping

oh well ¯_(ツ)_/¯

rest in piece dusk bozo man

pulled a gorgon freejus

at the end of hl1, anyways

[blissful lion]

wip cafeteria and kitchen

[honest stag]

Sick tables

[honest stag]

Table table table table

[blissful lion]

now theyre stoves and cupboards and sinks

brush identity crisis

does this hospital need another toilet?

[honest stag]

Maybe make your own brush chairs?

Pushable even

The lack of any shadow kills me

[ancient depot]

time for dynamic shadows /s

[honest stag]

1 candle to make the map crash

2 for blue screen

[gritty forge]

Dusk Cooking Simulator when?

[blissful lion]

The application to execute does not exist: 'C:\ ...\ .net\makewad\fdwxm5xe.ieb\makewad.dll'.

@ancient depot

i remember ive successfully made a wad with makewad

but now this

[ancient depot]

Delete the folder it's looking for and run it again

[blissful lion]

ok it works now, thanks

you cant make transparent textures?

[crisp raven]

Use the colour at the end (255) for transparency. Make sure the title of the texture starts with {

[blissful lion]

ah thanks

also please move this channel back to its place above general modding

now

[crisp raven]

We've fallen lower in the hierarchy 😭

[long anchor]

👀

[iron needle]

That's looking cool!

[crimson patrol]

You should make the chairs out of brushes so they don't look out of place

Very nice though

[gritty forge]

could make the chairs out of func_pushable brush props

[blissful lion]

thanks

[crimson patrol]

Func pushable

[blissful lion]

i feel that will be an even bigger mess

[gritty forge]

is func_pushable just janky like that

[blissful lion]

so ig they will be shaded but still wont cast shadows

[crimson patrol]

It's pretty weird

I say make them out of func breakable to emulate chairs

[blissful lion]

no chairs at least go flying and can be destroyed

[crimson patrol]

There was some jank way to light them properly

With parenting or something

[blissful lion]

i feel like pushables would all just clog up in a corner

[honest stag]

If by "light properly" ypu mean making them slightly darker so they dont stand out as much - yes

[blissful lion]

does trigger_hurt work?

[gritty forge]

yeah

[blissful lion]

how do i set it up then

do i need to trigger it first

[gritty forge]

its in the fgd?

[blissful lion]

yes

[gritty forge]

its self explanatory isnt it

its a trigger, so when you touch it it hurts by dmg amount

plus since it's a trigger theres a target field that activates the target when the player walks in the trigger

no targetname, so you cant trigger the trigger_hurt with a target

makes 💯 sense

[blissful lion]

yeah but when i make one with default values it doesnt work

[gritty forge]

send screenie then

should work perfectly fine

[blissful lion]

ig the default dmg value is not valid or what

cus when i type 10 it works

[gritty forge]

ig

the objects dont even have angles as their default keys

i wouldnt trust no default keys

[blissful lion]

also it would be cool if wait could work

on trigger_hurt

[gritty forge]

that's

that's delay

wait is for light entities

[blissful lion]

wait is for doors

delay is wait before trigger

i think its used in some sequences with multi_manager

and delay doesnt work on trigger_hurt

ok stuff i know you can parent:

doors and buttons with their speed set to 0

func_breakable, func_illusionary

func_clip

stationary objects and objects you can pick up (models from fgd)

monsters, weapons, pickups

triggers: multiple, secret, hurt, teleport

[gritty forge]

it doesnt?

[blissful lion]

nope

[blissful lion]

made a really weird secret

[blissful lion]

do the textures on kitchen stuff look ok?

[gritty forge]

yeah
nice duskcute 👍

[honest stag]

About that

For reasons unknown to me TB hates default values in custom fgds or smth

Sometimes they work sometimes not

Me and veven trued quite hard to squash all the unfunctional ones

But there are some that don't budge

[blissful lion]

ok so naming stuff for the explosion

you need the explosive, a detonator and a wire

is this fine?

[honest stag]

Like, visually?

If so i'd say yes

[blissful lion]

i mean if the names are correct

[honest stag]

Ye

[blissful lion]

its like im playing some half-life.exe

[honest stag]

kleiner with bloody eyes about to rush you

S T A H P

[ancient depot]

monster_screamer

uses horror AI and plays a jumpscare instead of an attack

[blissful lion]

how did that message even get there

[sharp nest]

any updates on the Brand new Dusk SDK ?

or the new mapping stuff

that is ti be released summer of 2024?

[lucid hare]

||D- _u _S-k||

[errant cobalt]

Hey Mr. Fre- wait, HOW`D YOU GET THE SICKLES!?

[gritty forge]

hey I kind of want to make custom Dusk Maps, is there a software I can use?

I know source games had an SDK type thing

[crisp raven]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2298392941

👆 👌

[gritty forge]

Thanks

[honest stag]

so about linking doors

in this setup, touching any middle door will only open the TOP one and the one you touched

i guess the linking is limited to 2 doors at once?

i can work around this with a button but still

@ancient depot can you confirm i'm not insane

perhaps this is why i was losing my mind or smth

over that one quake door

[spare cave]

i need some blue sky map

have anything?

[honest stag]

🙂

technically blue

if you want a daylight blue sky bap, trespaseer has it

[spare cave]

ok, thx!

but

where i can find this mod?

[honest stag]

1 moment

https://dusk.mod.io/trespasser

you only see the outside in the last part of the map

but that wont stop me from shilling my creations

[honest stag]

this time around no doors link at all

?????

also found a little quirk for all you non-ACSII-windows-username folks

if you have any wads that are placed in folders containing non-ASCII- symbols

the compiler will ignore those wads

resulting in missing tex

so that's nice

guess i'm resoirting to button doors again

[gritty forge]

why not just

use a trigger_multiple?

[honest stag]

because it's a key locked door

[gritty forge]

oh

[spare cave]

thank you

[gritty forge]

does anyone know if something like the quake start map would be possible

specifically these doors

[honest stag]

Why not?

Trigger_changelevel has all the functions you need for that

Or do you mean visuals

[gritty forge]

as in when a levels done i want them to come back to start map with a door shutting something off

[honest stag]

Don't know about the door shutting off, but you sure can go back to the start map

[gritty forge]

[honest stag]

Besides, that's better isnt it

what if you want to replay the episode to find all secrets or smth

[gritty forge]

hey so i set up trenchbroom

and I cant see any of the textures from the Dusk.wad

in the editor at least

[honest stag]

that probably means you lack the palette

[gritty forge]

like it says its there,

[honest stag]

are you using the quake preset for your map?

or generic

[gritty forge]

wdym by preset?

[honest stag]

when you make a new map, it asks you to select a game preset

out of a big list

[gritty forge]

yes

im using quake one

[honest stag]

do you have a game path set? hit view-prefernces, then select quake

if not, we'll make a workaround just so it can load tex

[gritty forge]

the guide im using said to set the prefrences to the specific folder im using for mapping

[honest stag]

so here's what you need to do, step by step

[gritty forge]

ok

[honest stag]

go into whatever folder this is for you, and find a folder namedid1, exactly that
if it's not there, make it
inside of id1, place a folder named gfx
and inside of gfx, place this file

then restart trenchbroom

that SHOULD do it

if that didnt work, try placing the palette intoid1as well

[gritty forge]

let me actually restart trenchbroom first, because I put the palette.lmp in the Dusk.sdk folder, so maybe thatll fix the issue

[honest stag]

that's for something else

it wont affect trenchbroom

[gritty forge]

OHHH ok

lmao ok ill put the pallete.lmp in my id1 folder

[honest stag]

dont forget the gfx too

[gritty forge]

ok i did it with the gfx folder

let me see whats up

OMG IT WORKED

THXXXXX

[honest stag]

there you go, have fun mapping

if you got any other issues drop em here

[gritty forge]

oof ok

spoke to soo

works fine for textures

entitys still dont show up

[honest stag]

the fgd isnt working?

figures

double check if you installed it right

[gritty forge]

which?

[honest stag]

the dusk4.fgd

[gritty forge]

That might be the issue

i dont think i have that

[honest stag]

check pins

it's the first thing, with intructions

[gritty forge]

Ok i got it!!

[honest stag]

nice

[gritty forge]

does object_torch work as a light source in game

[honest stag]

for lights, check out dumptruck_ds's tutorial on lighting

i'd suggest to avoid using dusk sources of light (candles, torches) as they are dynamic and chew performance hard

[gritty forge]

thanks

dumptruck_ds actually helps alot

even though dusk and quake are completly different games

[crisp raven]

Torches actually don't affect performance as far as I can tell

[honest stag]

actually yea you're right

[crisp raven]

Burn barrels and candles on the other hand 😨

[honest stag]

as well as burn barrels

burn barrels affect performance?

not in my experience

[crisp raven]

Actually to be fair the one map I'm thinking of was probably because I had like 20

The weird orange science things hurt performance though

Like a lot

[crisp raven]

Monuments depicting Pharaoh standing outside his parents bedroom at 3 AM after he threw up

[honest stag]

this is still very early on

lol

[crisp raven]

Looks very cool

How many maps will be in the pack?

[honest stag]

currently, not counting intro/outro/trespasser - 3

[crisp raven]

What would you say is gonna be the average length of each map?

[honest stag]

not sure
vertigo's map looks about average, mine takes a bit less time to finish, and aqua hasnt started yet

so it wont be like, a super long commitment to play

i'd say like 15-25 minutes total for the whole experience is reasonable to expect

but this is a shot in the dark

[crisp raven]

Can we expect more enemy reskins like in Trespasser?

[honest stag]

yes

maybe even some models

well not 100% expect

but probably

likely

[vapid axle]

Hi guys

I'm new to Dusk map making and I have a question

How do I make secret areas?

[honest stag]

you need to make a secret trigger

when the player walks into it, it counts as a secret

[vapid axle]

It will be invisible in game?

[honest stag]

yup

[vapid axle]

Thanks man

[honest stag]

np

[crisp raven]

Another customer support file closed 😌

[honest stag]

case #2315

[vapid axle]

Oh and btw, does optimisation matter here?

[honest stag]

yes, but in specific areas

try to avoid these things -

map leaks
excessive amounts of enemies
dynamic light sources (for example candles)

and you should be good to go

[vapid axle]

Thanks again.

Aren't map leaks making the map unable to compile? Or that's only a Source thing?

[honest stag]

they'll compile, but all the faces outside the map that are never visible to the player will render

so you're doubling your overall face count by not sealing maps

[vapid axle]

Got it.

[vapid axle]

How do I make a sky?

[honest stag]

you need to add some worldspawn properties
a total of 6, for each side of the cube
and add the side textures to your mod folder
so it would look like this
"sky_up" "textures/skybox_top.png"
"sky_down" "textures/skybox_stars_bottom.png"
"sky_left" "textures/skybox_left.png"
"sky_right" "textures/skybox_right.png"
"sky_back" "textures/skybox_stars_back.png"
"sky_front" "textures/skybox_stars_front.png"
the file names are anything obviously
so like we're just applying each individual texture to the sides of the cube skybox in-game
left and right are swapped though

[vapid axle]

got it

thanks

how do I access worldspawn?

[honest stag]

press esc

well basically deselect everything

[vapid axle]

thanks

much appreciated

[honest stag]

👍

[gritty forge]

the ziggurat blockout
probably never finishing this, but if the blockout gets done ill send it here for anyone to use

[blissful lion]

one is fine, right?

[crimson patrol]

I kinda wanna make that lawful good chaotic evil meme but with doors in trenchbroom

[blissful lion]

whats stopping you?

[ancient depot]

Correct, if I remember right

Since that was how it worked in Quake

[muted glacier]

Ohhhhh yeah they do

[blissful lion]

yeah your map chugs so much with lows specs off

[blissful lion]

ok i got the pickup system to work

should i make like a preview of where to place the stuff with a transparent brush?

like in subnautica when you are building theres a hologram of where the thing will be

[gritty forge]

door linking can get really funky

[blissful lion]

can it?

[gritty forge]

I mean as long as you dont have a bunch of doors close to each other you're fine :)

[blissful lion]

i did run into an issue that if the door and button thats linked to that door are touching its not gonna move

[gritty forge]

Buttons are just doors

hehe

[blissful lion]

thats quake code?

[gritty forge]

no that's sdk code

[blissful lion]

whats even the difference apart that you cant open a door with a targetname by hand

[ancient depot]

func_button is basically an extension of func_door yeah

Though I'm not planning on keeping it mapped that way internally

[honest stag]

Just realized how much i need func_door_rotating

(In an easy to use way)

Fuckin

Levers

I NEED levers

[blissful lion]

does trigger multiple trigger only when you enter it?

or if you stay in it too?

[honest stag]

I think you have to re-enter, but not exactly sure

It'd just spam out without a delay so

[gritty forge]

hey so

i completed my first map

im trying to play it

but its not showing up in the SDK

[honest stag]

Did you compile it?

[gritty forge]

thats what you use with the qbsp.exe right?

[crisp raven]

Yeah

Very basically you can drag your .map onto qbsp.exe and it will shoot out a .bsp version of your map

That's playable in DUSK

[gritty forge]

yeah i did that

and the light.exe

[crisp raven]

Put it in your mod folder

Should look something like this:

D:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Dusk\SDK\mnt\local\ MOD_FOLDER_NAME\maps

[gritty forge]

ooohhhh thanks

[blissful lion]

ay he said greenish is for horror

anyway, wire

[blissful lion]

now on stairs

[honest stag]

damn pharaoh, you live like this?

[gritty forge]

I was fooled into thinking this was a custom Quake map at first.

[alpine depot]

technically it i

s

[blissful lion]

how do i make trigger_counter not show any messages?

ok i think i got it

[blissful lion]

just got jumpscared by a wendigo i put there myself

[leaden summit]

Should i make a level thats just wendigos and call it wendigo forest?

[blissful lion]

sure

how do i make trigger_counter not say SEQUENCE COMPLETE!

[short solar]

i had an idea like that except it was a cave, and you would only be given a single shotgun

[leaden summit]

Wendigo cavern

[blissful lion]

yes, finally

i was making the barrier that stops you from triggering an explosion before the explosive is connected for like an hour

stupid connecting door

[crimson patrol]

Done that too once lol

[blissful lion]

ok i got the whole sequence working perfectly

now how do i stop trigger_counter from saying SEQUENCE COMPLETE!

[crisp raven]

You don't 😀

[blissful lion]

oh i can

[ancient depot]

you might be able to override it with a trigger that displays an empty message maybe lol

[blissful lion]

yeah i did just that

[gritty forge]

will the update have VIS support?

will the update be another rewrite Zombie spent a year on?

will the update?

😔

[blissful lion]

hospital map update tomorrow (maybe)

[muted glacier]

Willn't

[blissful lion]

ok the ground floor of the hospital is done

this part is really cool, i hope someone playtests it

im not too confident about the combat

[mossy wadi]

Just playtested, the starting 2 floors had me thinking that things might be too compact with more enemies, but it opened up after and the encounters felt good. The scripted event worked well and I like the brushwork, especially those kitchen appliances and the large room with the collapsed floor.

[blissful lion]

thanks

how was the difficulty?

[mossy wadi]

I played on Cero Miedo and thought it was somewhere between easy and medium, once I had the super shotgun things got a lot easier considering having plenty of ammo and the close quarter rooms/doorways.

[gritty forge]

It's .lit

[blissful lion]

is that also a comment on my map?

[honest stag]

@blissful lion just played your map

a bit late but still

that was great, actually felt nice and smooth

i love when there's enough dedication for mechanics like these lol

and boy do i know how painful it can be to make them

anyway the combat was good, but it felt a little easy for me

dunno why, can't tell

also i didnt find any secrets outside of the first one

i see you removed the sword

nice

[blissful lion]

2 are pretty easy to find, 1 is much harder

thanks for playing

also idk about the difficulty, it feels hard for me

maybe im just bad

[blissful lion]

so i watched your spring map jam vid a little an i saw that someone already did something similar what i wanted for my ending, but its kinda rushed and uninteresting while i want to make it cool (and maybe painful)

i probably wont change my plans because my idea isnt so unique anyway, but i thought it was at least new for dusk

[blissful lion]

anyway, what if this room was bigger

[honest stag]

Currently making a trap puzzle
Simple stuff but i hope it grabs attention as smth new

[short solar]

would it be possible to make a jungle themed map using dusk's default textures

[crisp raven]

Yes 👍

[short solar]

idk i'm looking through the textures rn and none of them seem very jungle-y to me, at best you could make a forest map

[alpine depot]

you can find some good texture wads laying around so thats probably a better bet

especially when dusk's whole rural aesthetic was all just backwood stuff lol

could probs mix some wads together and still use some dusk textures anyways

thats what i like to do

[honest stag]

yeah custom wads are the shit

[honest stag]

im going to un-delist the bunker for 24 hours

fuck it

then it's going back in the shame jail

[crisp raven]

https://tenor.com/view/meryl-streep-yes-yeah-cheer-cheering-gif-5163144

[ancient depot]

archived

[crisp raven]

Already got it downloaded dw

Hit me up if you want a copy 😉

[gritty forge]

can finally map for dusk AND quake

miracle

[gritty forge]

cool content you have on doomworld @mild juniper i'll be sure to check out some maps
cant wait for your dusk map release

[mild juniper]

churr

[mild juniper]

my dusk project is actually a mapset with @honest stag and @alpine depot, its gonna be minttt

Just waiting on the SDK update

[honest stag]

Domt make it sound like we just stopped and in wait lol

Still chippin away

[honest stag]

making traps turned out to be a lil harder than i thought

but this is super cool

no spoilers but i hope nobody hates that stuff

[crisp raven]

OMG IT'S OFFICIALLY DUSK MAP SCREENSHOT SATURDAY (timezones don't exist)

[blissful lion]

what

[honest stag]

im not posting any screens yet lol
it's functional stuff only

i'll do some details in a couple hours tho

[blissful lion]

friday has just started

[crisp raven]

Oh yeah my b

Go back to your regular lives

But now you better have something for Saturday 😤

[blissful lion]

ill try to make some progress this weekend

[gritty forge]

i dont have a single thing ready for saturday or any time soon

bought quake rerelease and played it instead of mapping 😔

[blissful lion]

vriska im gonna steal something from one of your maps and hopefully make it cooler

[crisp raven]

Just take screenshots of Quake and pretend it's your new Dusk map ;)

[gritty forge]

good idea

[honest stag]

i reckon there isnt any way to copy-paste a door/trigger preset with it's target/targetname keys increasing sequentially

that'd be TOO good

and i did look in the quake mapping discord

[gritty forge]

you could try editing the .map with notepad++ i'm sure theres an option for that

[honest stag]

go grab the key bro it'll be ok bro dont worry

just walk to it

[crisp raven]

[blissful lion]

i dont see parented trigger hurt

[honest stag]

underground

[blissful lion]

k

what are the bloody brushes on the ceiling

[honest stag]

supposed remains of the less fourtunate that stepped on the wrong plate

i'll make them better looking later

as well as the whole room

it's pretty barren rn i think

[honest stag]

every1 loves platforming over a bottomless pit

also im shocked every time how much does rubble and bricks add to the feel of the map

maybe i'll change the lights over the pit to something else

like very long torches coming out of the pit perhaps

the wall ones arent working that well

[muted glacier]

that looks absolutely PHENOMINAL

[honest stag]

thanks

[crimson patrol]

Yea this is very high quality

[muted glacier]

gives me Pitfall the mayan adventure vibes

[crimson patrol]

Whered you get the textures?

[honest stag]

i stole them

[muted glacier]

kekw

[honest stag]

im suprised you guys arent tired of my "hallway + bricks + dim lighting" trope that i can't let go

[honest stag]

lol

i actually planned a rolling boulder chase indiana jones style

[muted glacier]

or OG tomb raider vibes with a darker atmosphere

[honest stag]

but it was too fucky

[muted glacier]

or indian jones that works too

[honest stag]

well actually my main point of reference was the mummy

[muted glacier]

• DoNt YoU MeAn CraSh BaNDiCooT BouLdEr SEqUencE?*

[honest stag]

god

[muted glacier]

But seriously. It looks amazing. is that the one you vertigo and aqua are doing?

[honest stag]

yea this is my map out of that set

i hope they dont mind if i share this

[honest stag]

also what was it

all my currently released maps are old as shit and i like to improve on old concepts

maybe i could help out

and i dont have many maps released either

are you talking about my jam maps?

[blissful lion]

yea map jam

i have a pretty good idea of how it would work so i dont need much help

unless you have/ know where to get a brush car bc the dusk one looks scuffed

[honest stag]

i have a brush truck, a brush tank and a brush motorbike

making a car would be ez pz

but from that statement - are you talking about the nightmare sequence?

where a truck is coming at you in a dream and you wake up?

[blissful lion]

yeah

didnt you say it took you a day for that truck

[honest stag]

the truck was an old creation back from trespasser

the sequence is what took me a while

[blissful lion]

isnt it just 1 door?

[honest stag]

not too long but making the music/sound match and the speed was a task and a half

yea the setup is simple, the tuning to make it feel right is what's hard

[blissful lion]

ok yeah that

idk what ill do about the sounds and music

[honest stag]

it was - no music -> breathing while in the dark -> truck horn -> actual music

so it took some work

would be a lot easier with custom sfx in maps

but gotta work with what we have

[blissful lion]

shouldnt that be really simple?

trigger sound

and a sound file somewhere

[honest stag]

the devs are aiming to make those things transfer over from quake maps

and half life

and a lot more from what i've heard

so it's not the implementation of the feature, it's about making the setups from other games work as well

but i do think a hatched dusk-only solution as a temp thing would be nice lol

whatever we gotta deal with alpha version bullshit

just how it is

[short solar]

is it possible to add custom powerups?

[crisp raven]

No

[sharp trail]

my dusk map

[honest stag]

it sucks i hate it

[sharp trail]

this is my favorite creation

[blissful lion]

sus

[muted glacier]

Is that neo babylon?

[sharp trail]

no???

It's my original creation

ignore the blue dots id know why they're there

[last talon]

[blissful lion]

yo @muted glacier did you check out the new version of my map yet?

i think you'd love what i did with your proof of concept

[muted glacier]

It just gave me hanging garden vibes. Looks amazing.

[muted glacier]

And no not yet. Is it on duskmods.io?

[blissful lion]

old and good discord file

(wip)

[muted glacier]

Good shit! Ill check it when I get home. Excited.

[blissful lion]

thanks

[nimble prawn]

henlo

wher update

[blissful lion]

at this point i only want the update because of the new version of base dusk

the sdk version is so jank

[gritty forge]

i want vis the most

[blissful lion]

who cares about that

[gritty forge]

optimization & ambient

[blissful lion]

i just want enemies to correctly stun

btw, are textures in dusk wad downgraded to quake palette?

[gritty forge]

yeah the textures in dusk wad are in quake palette

[blissful lion]

couldnt a bigger palette be used?

[gritty forge]

no

[blissful lion]

what about half life

[gritty forge]

doesn't half life just use a different palette

[blissful lion]

same nubmer of colors?

[gritty forge]

yes

[blissful lion]

and all other games trenchbroom supports have?

[gritty forge]

i don't know, they're different games

[blissful lion]

im just wondering why the limitation if trenchbroom could support more colors

[gritty forge]

trenchbroom can support more colors

it's just that the textures in quake maps use the quake palette

so trenchbroom has to load up the quake palette.lmp and everythings hard coded to the palette

1 day we'll have this

[blissful lion]

whats that

[gritty forge]

external / 32bit textures that dont need palette

[blissful lion]

on trenchbroom?

and
1 day we'll have this in dusk?

[gritty forge]

probably

[blissful lion]

ah so in the cristhmas update

[gritty forge]

haha yeah the christmas update

[blissful lion]

why i want update

-door ai bug fix

-game less jank (hopefully)

-this channel more active (maybe)

[honest stag]

Vis will only be noticeable in performance on huge maps, and that's if we dont get other optimisations that cut the need for it

I also dont see why we cant have ambience without vis as well unless the devs want it strictly like that

[ancient depot]

Half-Life stores a palette per-texture, rather than having a single palette that every texture shares

Also vis won't be part of the update

That's been said several times before, but just to make it clear it won't be

[honest stag]

Pin

[ancient depot]

look at pins

[honest stag]

Im making my own at this point

[gritty forge]

well due for an update

[honest stag]

Takes a while with all the other stuff

But i figure its going to be outdated eventually

So may as well

[ancient depot]

There's an official guide of sorts I'm working on, which will replace the dev wiki eventually

[honest stag]

Nice, then i guess i can drop mine

[ancient depot]

The more the merrier imo

[honest stag]

Depends

[crimson patrol]

Who is the deleted user?

Is that q

[crisp raven]

Yeah

[crimson patrol]

[crisp raven]

Yeah so if you want to make fun of him now's the time

I'm sure he won't see it

[long anchor]

freelance work to vriska

ez

[ancient depot]

[crimson patrol]

""""Independent contractor""""

[honest stag]

"that guy"

[blissful lion]

balls

crashed tb again

also do you guys use -bsp2?

[honest stag]

yes

i put it on 2 years ago and never went back

[blissful lion]

anything else that it does except handling more faces?

[honest stag]

not that i know of

but i can't imagine working with normal bsp now

[blissful lion]

i dont need it rn but i will soon

[honest stag]

like there's just no reason to not use it

[blissful lion]

yea

so you did big maps back then?

[honest stag]

oh the maps werent big, but my details were... a bit excessive lol

they still are but i've learned to optimise since then

[blissful lion]

there cant be too much detail

except if its all in the dark

oh right your map

[honest stag]

i shudder to remember some of the stuff i did

[blissful lion]

the one youre working on

i just feel its a little too dark

[honest stag]

which one? egyptian or the big project?

[blissful lion]

big

[honest stag]

yea i increased the skylight since then

[blissful lion]

the flashlight doesnt give enough light to see cool texture work in its glory

[honest stag]

i should probably boost the actual lights too

i do hate the dusk flashlight tbh

it reminds me of the HL1 flashlight

[blissful lion]

there cant be worse than hl1 flashlight

[honest stag]

true, but it comes pretty close

that's like the only thing i actively dislike about dusk

[blissful lion]

actually its not that bad, just the implementation is so cheaty

really?

[honest stag]

yea

[blissful lion]

not the shitty bosses?

i dont mind the fl that much

[honest stag]

i dont mind the bosses (most of them)

i think only like
2-3 enemies total including bosses arent great

the rest are aight

that'd be the cowgirl, the turret and probably the bone balls

[blissful lion]

balls arent that bad

[honest stag]

i just feel like the bone balls are useless and dont pose any threat

[blissful lion]

i hate homing wizard proj cus theyre too slow

[crimson patrol]

what if there were 100 of them and you were playing on duskmare

[blissful lion]

so its sometimes like vore proj

[honest stag]

oh yeah a little bit

but at least you can deflect it

with ease

[blissful lion]

they dont hit the wall

[crimson patrol]

i use props to avoid the homing balls

[blissful lion]

ultrakill slowly accelerates the homing proj

how do u spell

[honest stag]

accelerate

[blissful lion]

ah

so pronounce one c as k and other as s

english

[honest stag]

btw i forgot the dev wiki exists

i dont think anyone actually wanted to use it

especially after the bot attack

i think the bot shit are the only pages left lol

oh wait no the actual ones are there oops

[short solar]

x-l-r8

[foggy creek]

Has anyone made a dusk map based on a distillery?

[crisp raven]

No

[foggy creek]

aight

[blissful lion]

its been 2 days

is Strissel dead or something?

im in desperate need of validation

[muted glacier]

No im not dead 😂😂😂 i came down sick the other day and havent been on yet

But thank you for caring about my well being

[blissful lion]

i hope you get well soon

im sorry im so demanding

i just hope some day this channel will be more active so we wont need to rely on like 3 people

for feedback and stuff

[gritty forge]

yes, it's like valve vs original

it's just better & stuff that supports the format is p much the same

[honest stag]

i can see it becoming more active for a brief period after workshop release

but eventually it'll be around the same as now

which is still good

[blissful lion]

will bossname make a standard enemy show its health bar at some point?

that would be cool

[honest stag]

it doesnt?

[blissful lion]

nah

.

[blissful lion]

why is there a face limit on a single brush

literally 1984

[gritty forge]

im thinking of having all the doors open up with a boss in the red one

[crisp raven]

https://tenor.com/view/flames-pyrotechnics-kygo-boom-lights-gif-19478869

[blissful lion]

are those an obstacle or just for show?

[last talon]

cool discount danmaku

[pearl fox]

Hi there,
been out of the loop for quite a while - what's the current state of the SDK? I did read up on the pins and scrolled through recent messages and read something of an update - is there an ETA on that?

[blissful lion]

christmas 2021

[pearl fox]

Oh - is the update available on a testbranch?

[blissful lion]

no

that was an unofficial date

making brush car rn cus the default one can explode

brsuh car is

done

wow that didnt took that long

of course i copied the dusk car

[sharp trail]

Rammstein ????? 🤔

[honest stag]

German spotted

Leave immediately

[sharp trail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699682300618604701/818232862670061608/774351201717452823.gif

[blissful lion]

where could i get some sound effects?

[honest stag]

For example?

[muted glacier]

He just really likes Destroy All Humans for the playstation 2. Calm down

[blissful lion]

basically i need a car engine sound that starts up, does like 3 of those "vrooms" when not moving and then starts driving at full speed

and then crashes

[honest stag]

I found sfx for maps on youtube then slightly edited in audacity

[blissful lion]

i havent use that

ok i think i found something

i still need the crash

i just need a short crash sound without any break sounds

and apparently thats hard to find

[honest stag]

You can probably edit out the "breaking" if its at the end tho

[blissful lion]

no the breaking is before the crash

at the end it would be fine since i could just change the music then, but since its before i would need to learn how to edit

[blissful lion]

does .mp3 work for music?

[short solar]

i think the music files are flac

[blissful lion]

most maps use .ogg

[honest stag]

I use flac personally

[ancient depot]

mp3 does not work and never will

flac, wav, and ogg are the supported formats

[blissful lion]

ok i converted to flac but it doesnt work

[ancient depot]

how is it set up?

[ancient depot]

does that match the filename exactly, including case?

eg, it's not Crash.flac?

[blissful lion]

its the same

[ancient depot]

then the issue is probably that the trigger isn't actually being triggered

[blissful lion]

music in worldspawn doesnt work either

[ancient depot]

does it work as wav or ogg?

[honest stag]

Btw

[honest stag]

What zom means is that the trigger has to be activated by targeting it with something

Its not a "walk-through" type of trigger

[honest stag]

Can you show the setup + folders of your mod

[blissful lion]

nope, wav doesnt work

SDK\mnt\local\test1\music

map in SDK\mnt\local\test1\maps

[honest stag]

And the worldspawn key

[honest stag]

May i have the .map and the file if you don't mind

I'll try to make it work

[honest stag]

Thanka

[blissful lion]

thank you

[honest stag]

And the sound file?

[honest stag]

aight lets see

oh i think i know what was the isssue

lemme just test it

ok i wasnt right but i tested my own music track and it worked

lemme try smth else

it works

not exactly sure what was wrong but it works

hey check if your music volume is lowered just in case too

[blissful lion]

yeah it was just so quiet

how do i make it louder?

[honest stag]

is it already at a 100?

btw you have to leave the menu for the music volume to apply

[blissful lion]

yeah so i have the sound on 25 and music on 100 and its barely ok

[ancient depot]

if the sound file itself is too quiet, just boost it in audacity or something

[blissful lion]

i found something to boost it

kinda bad that we have to rely on player settings tho

[honest stag]

oddly enough i heard it just fine at 25

and general volume at like 10

system volume not really high either

do you have one of those headsets with volume sliders

maybe it's set to low

[blissful lion]

but like jumping is loud enough

ill try again

ok 25 on music is not enough, 100 is

so is music slider % of master volume?

ok ill just say that you need to put music on max

[ancient depot]

Yeah master volume affects everything

So the music slider works on top of that

Which isn't great, imo

[blissful lion]

how do i delay certain actions

like i trigger a door but i want it to open after 1 second

[foggy creek]

Pretty sure it works like in half life where a trigger can be given a delay keyvalue and a number for how many seconds to delay the output.

[blissful lion]

yeah only trigger works like that

[foggy creek]

What are you using to trigger the door to open?

[blissful lion]

multi_manager

im gonna use point trigger_multiple

also if you want your door to not exist parent it to a point entity door

fuck i gotta use multi_manager for each trigger

oh no multi_manager has delay if you put it in the value of property for target

is wait not working properly a bug?

ive seen multiple times that doors would go back much faster than supposed to

[foggy creek]

Not sure if multi mangers delay is supported yet

[blissful lion]

works kinda

you know what, toggle sounds better

[honest stag]

It is

[honest stag]

Are you using trigger multiple with doors

[blissful lion]

not anymore

why?

[blissful lion]

any1 wanna playtest this?

im not sure if the sequence is too long or not

no lighting for now and ambient music is placeholder

[honest stag]

I'll give it a go when possible

[blissful lion]

thanks

[honest stag]

Things could get funky when entering a trigger_multiple over and over

[blissful lion]

you can trigger a trigger with a targetname