dusk-modding

[honest stag]

oooooh that'd be cool to see
im assuming you put a lot of screenshots of them into the dev screenshot foilder in goodies

[ancient depot]

Some of them can be seen in the screenshots and some early trailers yeah

[honest stag]

"fuck making this several times imma just copypaste it"

i feel that

[ancient depot]

The very first dusk trailer has several old things in it

E1MS2, some A1M* maps, etc

[honest stag]

so what does A stand for

[ancient depot]

No idea

[honest stag]

act 1?

[ancient depot]

Could be alpha, could just mean act, etc

[honest stag]

ah ok

lets see if i can find more in EP2

oh hey i found the door trigger that flips the escher labs lol

that's neat

i keep hitting absolutely random death triggers while noclipping lol

found this room in e3m8
is this the unfinished large pillar room

with lava at the bottom

[ancient depot]

Could very well be

[honest stag]

dooq

there is no noclip cheat in the past builds right

[ancient depot]

Nope, it was added in the SDK

[honest stag]

dang

[ancient depot]

You could move the Player object around though

Using the runtime editor

You might have to disable the CharacterController component on it first though since it overrides movement, then move Player, then turn it back on after

[honest stag]

alright i'll see if i can do it

[ancient depot]

As a bonus, disabling that component will remove gravity on the player so you can enter exact coordinates to check stuff

[honest stag]

oooh little hideout in crypt of the flesh

with torches

imma try that tool now

is there a way to specifically search for inactive objects?

[ancient depot]

Not sure

[honest stag]

hm aight

[ancient depot]

The names of the objects probably don't help lol

Cube (2)

[honest stag]

CUBE CUBE CUBE CUBE

[ancient depot]

Even some of the actual character models are called Cube

[honest stag]

lmao

oh wait inactive ones are just greyed out

how did i not realise lol

alright so iwent out to a small custom map to screw around and

it only has a leatherneck and some props right

why is the goat tex there lol

and the guardian

[ancient depot]

That is pretty weird

[honest stag]

oh it actually has a ton of shit

like all the enemy tex, all prop tex

is that supposed to be there

[ancient depot]

Maybe it's not just searching the scene

But all assets

[honest stag]

maybe, i'll try to look around

[ancient depot]

DUSK makes a lot of assets loadable at runtime so it would make sense if it was using Resources.LoadAll or something

[honest stag]

ok it seems i need to look at the insides of worldspawn to interact with shit on custom maps

makes sense i guess?

[ancient depot]

Yeah

Though for performance reasons the update doesn't have a root object like that

It's faster to have everything on its own like in normal maps

[honest stag]

screwing around here made me thing if it's possible to parent things to an enemy

[ancient depot]

You could totally do that yeah

I think there's a bug in the current build that stops it working but there was a patched dll I posted at some point

You could mess around and do stuff with the inspector though for sure

[honest stag]

i sure could

[long anchor]

mashedpotato1139

[ancient depot]

mashedpotato1139
I suppose one could say: dam...

[honest stag]

DAM....

that fuckin map blew my mind, i've never seen shit like it at the time

[crimson patrol]

ok i need to play this if its so good

[honest stag]

it's very old so things may be broken

but it's on moddb

[blissful lion]

whats func_wall

[honest stag]

Almost like a dummy brush entity

[blissful lion]

like so you can set minlight and it doesnt actually do anything

[honest stag]

P much

Stuff like rendermode/renderamt

Func_wall seals maps, func_detail doesn't

Func_detail also affects vis stuff but vis isnt a thing yet

[blissful lion]

what even is vis

[honest stag]

It's that thing that stops rendering stuff that isn't in your immediate view

Performance stuff

[blissful lion]

quake needs this file?

i think unity does that by default

[honest stag]

It's part of the compilation process, its not a file

Qbsp, then light, then vis is the usual

Qbsp does a portion of that if the map is sealed

[blissful lion]

oh yeah i was thinking about .pts

[ancient depot]

pts is a debugging file

lets you see leaks and stuff

[gritty forge]

whats .prt

[ancient depot]

prt contains portals

[honest stag]

Isn't that needed for vis

[ancient depot]

it's used by the vis tool

[honest stag]

Yea

[ancient depot]

Quake 2 BSP and above store the portals in the actual BSP

Which is why there are no prt files there

[honest stag]

Been meaning to try out some Q3BSP

see if there's any benefit

[summer vine]

@gritty forge love the work you did. Blender right? Is it as simple as dropping the model in an asset folder and custom loading the asset in trenchbrush?

[honest stag]

Nope

Not at all

[summer vine]

Im having fun mapping but i would love to know if there are some resources for custom models and anims.

[gritty forge]

nop

[summer vine]

Ok.

[gritty forge]

they are not supported currently

you can only replace existing models

[summer vine]

Ah i see.

[honest stag]

The process of actually porting a model isn't simple either

[gritty forge]

and its kind of wonky

my pitchfork guy ended up flying in the air and not having textures

lol

[honest stag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blua-J_Si9M

[gritty forge]

when ported in game

[honest stag]

Its old and shitty but it gets the point across

[gritty forge]

what the fuck

Big Chungus.

[summer vine]

Nice. Thanks! Too bad its not super easy. But still. Neat.

[blissful lion]

are you fucking kidding me

why did you age restrict

[honest stag]

lol

I think i did it by accident

[blissful lion]

https://youtu.be/NXP5IWwQOJ8?t=53

[honest stag]

Thank fuck i unlisted 90% of my playtest vids

[blissful lion]

why, are they so bad

well having like 3 different mods loaded isnt correctly showcasing the map

[honest stag]

Nah not bad, just weird to make other people see vids intended for 1 person that asked me to playtest it

I had this thing for a bit where i played literally every single releasing map on video

Just dont really have the opportunity to freely talk and record anymore

It was fun to do though

[blissful lion]

you still do a lot for us new modders

nb should just hire you

[honest stag]

Dusk mods janitor

Paid in unused content

[blissful lion]

also, thoughts?

[honest stag]

Interesting question

I think crossbow still breaks stuff?

Needs a quick test to be suee but im in bed

[blissful lion]

but can it hit a point entity

ok ill try

[honest stag]

Also how would you make a breakable a point entity

Thats not really possible

Like i dont think it would function

What effect are you trying to accomplish

[honest stag]

Yea i dont think it will actually break

It's represented as a cube but its literally a point

So like the dead center of that cube

[blissful lion]

ok yeah it doesnt work, just make the smallest possible brush

small chance to hit it

[honest stag]

So what is it that you're trying to do exactly

[blissful lion]

a brush that can only be destroyed by explosions

[honest stag]

Oh like the cracked ones in dusk

[blissful lion]

yeah

[honest stag]

I actually have an absolutely fucked concept of that but it's too weird to use

Sooo you know how explosives are physical objects affected by teleports

Like rivets

Or barrels or gascans

[blissful lion]

yeah

[honest stag]

So what if you like, barred the breakable away with a transparent wall and put a teleport entrance protected by func_clip

The teleport entrance leading to the other side of thr wall, to the breakable

So
Breakable - teleport exit - invisible wall - teleport entrance - func_clip

Shoot/throw explosive and it reaches the breakable

Bullets donr teleport

Hitscan ones

Then pull it all down with parenting

Probably too complex for smth like that

Easier to use just a targeted breakable with a simulated explosion

[blissful lion]

like what i said?

[honest stag]

Wdym

I meant like

[blissful lion]

simulated

[honest stag]

Telefrag 2 barrels into each other at the same time as the wall is broken by a trigger

So boom happens and wall breaks

[blissful lion]

im talking about you blowing up stuff with riveter/mortar...

[honest stag]

Yea and that is not exactly doable rn because thell be breakable with hitscan

Or melee

Aside from that megajank way above

[blissful lion]

do you know my method?

[honest stag]

The tiny brush?

[blissful lion]

so you make a breakable, but give it a targetname and set it so it cant be broken

inside of it put a tiny breakable that has the big breakable for a target

the small b is protected from hitscans by big b

and explosions travel trough walls

[honest stag]

Oh wow i did that amd forgot about it fuck me

3 am brain

I really need to sleep

[blissful lion]

sleep

now

[honest stag]

That fuckin uberjank thing will now haunt me as the most embarrassing idea ive sent here

[gritty forge]

can't wait for zombie to smack up the sdk code on git so I can send stupid pull requests

[ancient depot]

we'd probably have to set up a thing that makes you sign something before you do a PR

to make sure we have full ownership of the code so it doesn't complicate things in the future for ports that might use it etc

[muted glacier]

So this might sound jank, but you want something breakable by a trigger, but you dont want the player to just shoot it right?

set the health of the breakable extremely high so that the player cant really break it, and have the trigger trigger the breakable when the barrel explosion happens.

Unless im wrong and misunderstanding what youre trying to do lol

[blissful lion]

are you talking about scripted explosions again

Vriska said you could just set the breakable health to 0 so its indestructible

[crimson patrol]

Oh yea I forgot to post this vid https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAuXjXUn7dM

[blissful lion]

looks like fun gameplay with good performance

[crimson patrol]

Idk about the 2nd part

[blissful lion]

/ s

i guess its proof of concept, but dusk doesnt really work in too big spaces

[crimson patrol]

Yea dusk is made for cqc fighting, but sniping is pretty fun

Also, I figured out the reason I couldn't hit the chomper, the hitbox was lagging behind

[blissful lion]

i think his hitbox is just off

i placed him once in my map and it was weird

also little chompers had boneballs texture on them for some reason

[crimson patrol]

Yea they have the boneball texture

!kindaweird

[mild juniper]

Will the SDK update add more keyvalues by default to entities? An example being 'angle' not showing up by default on func_door

[ancient depot]

That's an fgd thing

Not something the SDK affects

[gritty forge]

can we expect any way to change the "press any key to enter the horror" screen in the sdk update

[ancient depot]

Probably not

But I'll look into it

[gritty forge]

ambience and sfx someday 😔

[vast palm]

Yeah custom loading screens would be nice

[gritty forge]

how does parenting work?

[still raptor]

it makes an entity a child of another entity

[crimson patrol]

The cycle of life

[mild juniper]

finally moving on to prelim texturing

[alpine depot]

oooooh i cant wait to play this bad boy

[gritty forge]

Egypt?

YES! EGYPT AGAIN!

[alpine depot]

YEAH BABYYYY

[gritty forge]

good luck lighting

it's my least favorite step

[mild juniper]

It should be a fairly chunky one too 😉

I don't wanna spoil the surprise but I think it will be quite a nice little package~

[honest stag]

Hahaha it sure will

I guess we're keeping it hush-hush

[mild juniper]

yeah to a degree i suppose

i just dont like counting my chickens before they hatch ; p

ill def keep posting screenshots of the maps as they progress

[mild juniper]

Yeah, I'm not proficient at all since I come from a Doom background but I know Vriska is all about the lighting so she'll be right

[mild juniper]

LOL

so I found an insanely fun gameplay gimmick and i tried to make quick little poc to test it

pro-tip: bounce pads should not be set to 400 strength

everything is just being yeeted into infinity and beyond

i thought 200-400 would be medium/high but uh evidently not

p lols to see tho

enjoy the fruits of my labour

it took several minutes of back breaking work

you basically just bhop around and practice middies with the rivets/mortar

theres the source

if youve ever played the quake 3 middy maps where the whole floor is a bounce pad and you only get a rocket launcher its like that

except its not the whole floor

or like endif but without the teles

[honest stag]

Ah that brings back memories

Ive set a jumppad with a 999 force in one of my early maps

[mild juniper]

Lol man that's good, I wonder how many units you go flying to mess with the floating points like that

[honest stag]

Thats the one lmao

U dont fuck with the 999 jump pad

[honest stag]

starting a twitter account
screenshots from custom dusk maps

time to share the beauty with the world

https://twitter.com/DuskMaps

CustomDuskMaps (@DuskMaps)

Sharing screenshots from custom DUSK maps, found on http://dusk.mod.io. @Anetnenado - main.

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[muted glacier]

Followed bb

[willow ginkgo]

so im getting a problem with dusk sdk where it would just turn some textures black, specfically the shotgun ammo and grenade pickups, and also i think the
i never messed with the texture files, in fact its still there in both vanilla and in the folders, doe i did mess with the audio files for a mod (turns out i can just load em like normal) and i think the smoke effect actually lost some of it's transparency but im not sure

[honest stag]

entities take the pixel right below them as their light level, so maybe they're a bit deep into the ground?

do they appear visible if yoi shine the flashlight on them?

[willow ginkgo]

no checked the vanilla version, its normal

[honest stag]

have you installed any mods?

[willow ginkgo]

i completely deleted the sdk folder then reinstalled the game and yeah no dice

[honest stag]

hmmm
can you still go into the modding menu and check what's enabled/disabled

[willow ginkgo]

hmm maybe doe i removed the mods folder so thats probably not the problem?

[honest stag]

every base dusk thing should be in the "dusk" folder in mnt>local

alright give me a moment here

can you open that folder?

try to find the shotgun shell texture, it should be innn

[willow ginkgo]

already checked the folder itself and the shotgun shell textures and the grenade ones are still there

[honest stag]

hm

weird

do they appear visible if you shine the flashlight on them?

[willow ginkgo]

ohh yeah they appear

[honest stag]

that's sdk fuckery then

probably that pixel thing

it may work in vanilla but stuff is different here

sooo u may stop worrying about the game being broken

[willow ginkgo]

yeah, still bothers me tho hmmm

[honest stag]

no way to fix that if you're playing the campaign

[willow ginkgo]

strange cuz that never seemed to happen to me before

[blissful lion]

how to make this

[honest stag]

ah, the chad skills of master mcclone

those are rendermode 1/renderamt 100 illusion brushes

or some different renderamt

[blissful lion]

whats that

[honest stag]

little half life feature that makes a brush transparent

rendermode/renderamt are properties on func_illusionary

[blissful lion]

oh ok

[honest stag]

rendermode's value is 1, renderamt is 0-255

[blissful lion]

half-transparent?

[honest stag]

dont remember if 0 is fully visible or fully transparent

somewhere around 100 is usually good tho

for either glass or stuff like that

[blissful lion]

doesnt f illusionary stop bullets?

[honest stag]

yea but he used that on an intro section without enemies

so it didnt affect any gameplay

[blissful lion]

really cool

[honest stag]

ikr

shame he went on to exclusively map for quake

guy is a chad

[blissful lion]

why isnt there a brush func that lets everything trough it

[honest stag]

alpha version

just gotta wait

[blissful lion]

so sdk can add custom funcs?

[honest stag]

anything the devs want yea

func_clip is a purely sdk thing iirc

[blissful lion]

iirc dumptruck showed it of

[honest stag]

he used a clip texture

which is a bit different

i think we used to have a problem where clip textures didnt make clip brushes, maybe still do

so devs put a func_clip as a work around

[blissful lion]

ah

but could compilers support any new func?

[honest stag]

they don't need to if it all can be done in unity when the map is loaded if i understand it right

aside from stuff like lightmapping? this is going beyond my knowledge btw

so i may be talking outta my ass at some point here

[blissful lion]

is light even affected by funcs?

[honest stag]

yea
stuff like func_wall doesnt cast shadows for example

[blissful lion]

that means it doesnt affect light

[honest stag]

if you noticed, doors and breakables dont cast them either

[blissful lion]

does light just travel trough them?

[honest stag]

yea

[blissful lion]

cus that’s what i mean

[blissful lion]

some screenshots

[foggy creek]

lookin good

[muted glacier]

Thats dope. Very "Backrooms"-esque.
Uncanny Valley

[blissful lion]

ball

[mild juniper]

Lookin good, very grungy ;o

like an abandoned mental asylum

[mild juniper]

How'd you make that?

[crimson patrol]

you know whats coming

every mention of a round object here will trigger me to post this

[gritty forge]

same czg article i linked to you before

[mild juniper]

ah mint

[mild juniper]

s m o o t h

[muted glacier]

I fucking knew it was coming

[honest stag]

https://twitter.com/BafuBal/status/1302548823156363265?s=20 @mild juniper

Benoit Stordeur (@BafuBal)

Discussing spheres on Quake Mapping Discord yesterday. Here's a quick way to make a simple approximation of a sphere, using "czg-curve" profiles, clip, extrude, scale, and some convex merging.
#trenchbroom #quake #leveldesign #brushscience https://t.co/URSVCO4NNM

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Check this shit

[ancient depot]

When I see stuff like this, it makes me really think that my stance of "we don't want to make a custom editor" might change

This is something that the editor could automate

[honest stag]

Lmao yea

But even then we could just use iunno j.a.c.k

[ancient depot]

I was imagining an editor where you could create macros of some kind

so you hit record, make that shape, then save it

[honest stag]

That would be really neat for arches and shit

And if you could share that around, man

But i guess you can already do smth like that

Just make the shape once and store it in a backup .map

Just ctrl+c it from there if you need it in ur map, and then you can use that one for copying

[crimson patrol]

get jack guy on this

[honest stag]

Lets not get the jack guy on anything

At all

Ever

[crimson patrol]

yea hes a joke best forgotten

RIPBOZO

[mild juniper]

chur, I'll check it out

[mild juniper]

As long it has a very similar workflow (extruding edges into new brushes, cutting brushes etc) that'd be sweet

I've used JACK before for some HL mapping (tutorials only, pretty much) and it's got nothing on TB

the way TB flows is just so fucking good

I'm eagerly awaiting the day TB gets full HL1/goldsrc support

[gritty forge]

bussin 😋

will animated textures come in the sdk update

[ancient depot]

Support for Quake-style ones maybe, but custom ones I'm not sure yet

Need to think of a nice way to actually define them

[muted glacier]

dont they already exist? I swear I have a doom wad with a moving water texture.

[ancient depot]

nope

the water has a special effect on it that makes it animate though

it's not frame animation though

[muted glacier]

ohhhhh okay.

[still raptor]

yeah thats animated within its shader

however what we could probably easily do is support scrolling uv's

which would allow some semblance of animation without having to build an entire way to define animated textures

this would also allow stuff like train levels

which honestly, is a staple of the genre lmao

[ancient depot]

you could probably hack that currently with a teleporter and a moving brush lmao

would have to line up the teleporter perfectly

[gritty forge]

Wouldn’t it be possible to make it some kind of function based brush and then allow people to define the angle and speed of scrolling etc

[still raptor]

well we would likely just add them as keys

scrollX and scrollY or something like that

[honest stag]

scrolly :)

[still raptor]

could also have those values get set by a trigger maybe

so you can start and stop scrolling

or change speeds

but idk, no promises lol, im just saying that would be pretty simple to implement vs actual animated textures

[ancient depot]

see it's tough because

what if you want to tweak the scrolling per face?

and not per brush

pretty trivial to implement code-wise, but as far as "how do we define this in a .map" it's really hard

[thin quartz]

hey is there any eta on linux sdk support?

[ancient depot]

nope, Linux and Mac aren't planned until the final release probably

It's much more taxing to do all those builds right now

[mild juniper]

with the upcoming SDK update will we be able to make maps for endless mode?

sorry if that's been asked before, I searched for it but couldn't find anything relevant

[ancient depot]

Maybe. It's not currently implemented but it might make it in

[honest stag]

@ancient depot sry for ping, but i've notcied that the -skipdos thing doesnt seem to work

did it break by any chance ot is it not supposed to be-skipdos orrr

what could it be

[ancient depot]

-skip-dos, not -skipdos

[honest stag]

OHHHH

FUCK

me

i kept thinking it just didnt work

[ancient depot]

lmao

at some point it'll probably get changed to a setting

via the console

[honest stag]

dusk.cfg

[ancient depot]

so it'd be something like +g_no_dos_intro 1

[honest stag]

for real tho i'd be neat to force stuff like color palette settings on the player

at least temporarily

[ancient depot]

yeah I need to think about how that could be handled

since right now if a mod tried that, it would be permanent

which is... not good

[honest stag]

hahaha yea

[ancient depot]

so I need a way to have transient cvar modifications

maybe I'll just make it mark all cvar changes made from a mod cfg as transient

and tie them to the mod

so when the load order changes, it discards them all and re-runs them in the load order

[honest stag]

i swear i feel like i'm going insane but are you SURE that the load order in the modding menu doesnt matter

[ancient depot]

It has always mattered

[honest stag]

wh-

[ancient depot]

A mod with a higher load order will override assets in a mod with a lower load order

Which is why the base game should always be at the bottom

at some point dusk will probably get moved to mnt/base/ instead of mnt/local/ or something

and then hidden from the mod menu and forced to be loaded first

same for dusk_mp

[honest stag]

i think i'm just delusional tbh because i have a vivid memory of you telling me that the load order doesnt matter

[ancient depot]

nah I'd never have said that

might've been someone else

I specifically designed it so that the load order is an important factor

so you can pile mods on top of each other in order of importance

eg, so you can have "patch" mods

theoretically the main game could be split up into separate mounts

"dusk_models", "dusk_maps", etc

so if a mod replaced enemies, you could set the base models higher to disable them

[honest stag]

yea it was probably someone else then

anyway a question about it, is there going to be a way to keep dusk base content always below? it's sorted alphabetically and i have to move some of the mods up/down

the order of which doesnt stay

[ancient depot]

that'll be built in

[honest stag]

ah okey

[ancient depot]

^

[honest stag]

oops

[ancient depot]

the internals of a lot of that stuff is being overhauled

[honest stag]

i have a little makarov texture mod and dusk overrides it every time to the point where i forgot i had it even tho it's always enabled

[ancient depot]

I might actually change it to sort by folder date instead

[honest stag]

also what's mod.io integration supposed to be? i saw a folder named that

[ancient depot]

so if you add a new mod in there it'll be at the top

basically the equivalent of workshop for non-steam players

[honest stag]

so they'll be for manual installation from mod.io?

[ancient depot]

automatic

local is for manual stuff

[honest stag]

huh, didn't know mod.io could have automatic stuff

neat

[ancient depot]

yeah they have an api for it

[foggy creek]

Does anyone know the rendercolor for the red, Blue, an Yellow keys?

I mean for the indictor texture

[mild juniper]

Having a separate config in each mod folder would do it

[ancient depot]

I don't really want to go that route because then stuff like resolution is tied to the mod

not a great user experience

[mild juniper]

Yeah, that's true. Maybe mods can just use an autoexec with specific cvars and also have one for the base game?

just thinking out loud

[ancient depot]

I was thinking an autoexec of some kind where all changes it makes are transient yeah

[mild juniper]

Dang, I was really hoping for Endless, I'll just make the maps anyways so once it does release i can chuck the entities and triggers in ezpz

Thanks for all the work on the SDK btw, the update + workshop support will be hugeee for Dusk ❤️

[ancient depot]

I certainly hope so lol

[mild juniper]

def imo, especially if you time it with the HD models

HD models should get a good chunk of publicity/people coming back to check them out and then the workshop will keep some of em playing

[alpine depot]

ill MAKE IT so 😎

[gritty forge]

crimson cesspool birds eye view

[mild juniper]

ohhh thats lookin good dude!

can tell the detailing is on point even from a top down view

[gritty forge]

the map is already out but yea

thx

[mild juniper]

noice

i just finished the campaign so today im gonna start playing through the maps on duskmods.io

I want to leave comments on each of them but the site refuses to send me an activation email for my account zz

[gritty forge]

I would encourage you to like and comment on mods as creators work very hard on maps

I try to always at least like a map if I enjoy it

also if you're gonna play my maps, download and activate all 3 and start on cannibal ridge, they link up if you have them all installed :D

[crisp raven]

Warning going too far down the map list will get you into Cursed First Map territory

[gritty forge]

true tho

[crisp raven]

pain

[alpine depot]

additionally this applies to my maps from derailed, urban turmoil and to downtown showdown although the first one hasnt aged that well

lol

[mild juniper]

That's exactly why I made the account and am waiting for it to get sorted before I start playing them

Fully agree

it means a lot when you actually hear back from someone that played your map

[crisp raven]

This guy gets it 😔 ✌️

[gritty forge]

yea

which is why I got pretty upset when someone disliked cannibal ridge

really fucks up the map ranking in the upvotes tab too

[honest stag]

"Quake cd shovelware"

[crisp raven]

I KNEW you were gonna say that

[honest stag]

Lmao

[alpine depot]

oh and if you really like bloom you'll love downtown showdown

whole ass goddamn SKYBOX is just chock-full of the stuff

man i wish urban turmoil ran better i reaaaaaally liked that one

when i first made it it ran flawlessly on my system i swear to god

but it dips into like sub-30 fps sometimes

[mild juniper]

Oh man, if you guys like shovelware...

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Xy-YDWytlEa2CS9rit-PUgcieh4MrGzR?usp=sharing

I downloaded every single Doom shovelware disc from archive.org and extracted them for ease of use

[alpine depot]

lol amazing

[mild juniper]

a lot of them were in real funky formats that I struggled with to get open

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1h30c1IbAHI3n1P9NE0LHpfTjlEmlcIeL/view?usp=sharing

thats the readme if u wanna see whats in it

if you're after a good disc I'd recommend starting with D!Zone

[mild juniper]

that looks cool but a bit weird thanks to the bloom

is your rig especially low spec?

woo, acc has been verified, time to start playing some Dusk maps

[alpine depot]

yeah i was aiming for like, a fiery skybox kind of thing so i took the sunset sky texture from e2m9(?) and flipped it

it makes more sense in the context of the map, it being a complete warzone overtaken by the military

probably actually looks better without the bloom setting enabled, lemme find a screenshot of that

im still astounded that derailed is the highest grossing map in terms of downloads

like damn i got better shit now 😔

definitely nostalgic looking back on it when i was first making it lol

oh heres the image

theres probably enough good maps on the site so far to compete with the OG campaign lmao

lot of good stuff to play through

[crisp raven]

Can't believe our maps are finally going to get a single download after so many months without any 😭

[alpine depot]

damn we got almost 70 maps so far

wow

[honest stag]

To be fair

How many are meme naps

And we have to count jam maps separately

[alpine depot]

probably like 10

[crisp raven]

And how many aren't cursed early maps?

[alpine depot]

maybe like 5 or 6 cursed ones

[honest stag]

More

Lol

[alpine depot]

god

[honest stag]

I axed one of them outta existence personally too

[alpine depot]

new download!!! im famouse again!!!!!!

look ma!!!!!!

[crisp raven]

🥲

We always talk about lower 2 but never Chapel 2

[honest stag]

Uhhhh

Some of the new ones uh

May be me downloadin for the twitter account

[alpine depot]

lol

[crisp raven]

Does anyone besides Dusk mappers even play these things???

[honest stag]

Yea

Sone youtuber

Some*

A some quake mapper played 2 jams i know for sure

Recently i mean

[mild juniper]

Woo, that's great

I just encountered this issue and came here to QQ so I'm glad it's already been addressed

[tepid python]

scripting when

[ancient depot]

scripting is one of the last features that'll be added

since it needs to be designed with multiplayer in mind

[muted glacier]

Like I said, ALOT of hot takes in that 6 hour video.

[mild juniper]

which vid is that?

[muted glacier]

hold on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=754m2vfJd4k @mild juniper

[honest stag]

Wait that's not the one lol

There was a guy early on who reviewed maps

[muted glacier]

is it not? lmao im tired. still some hot takes

[honest stag]

He played mine, rated it 1/5 and stopped because "these maps are 90's quake shovelware"

[muted glacier]

he did NOT like the last map jam

thats rough. dont you hate quake?

[honest stag]

I do lol

Well the map WAS very bad

[muted glacier]

Rougggggh

[honest stag]

In fact i unlisted it

[mild juniper]

loll

sounds very dramatic

@gritty forge I'm going through dusk.mods in reverse chronological order and got to Cannibal Ridge. I see that it's part of an episode, what's the correct play order?

Crimson > Black > Cannibal?

[mild juniper]

shit

so Ive noticed that there's multi-map projects where each map is its own mod

is there an issue with having maps one after another?

I just assumed that the level exit worked the same as Quake and you could define the next map in the order

[gritty forge]

not that i've heard of

[honest stag]

None thankfully

It's just that so far nobody really wanted to connect maps aside from aqua

[honest stag]

And yes that's how it works

[mild juniper]

sick, easy

[muted glacier]

sigh maybe ill get work done on my map tomorrow after work

[mild juniper]

i believe in u

Are there going to be any performance improvements with the SDK update? I'm noticing FPS drops on larger maps like Vertigo City even though I've got a pretty beefy rig

[gritty forge]

I literally did tho lol

the mod starts with cannibal ridge

Then bim

then crimson

[mild juniper]

sweet, thanks dude

[long anchor]

👀

[muted glacier]

only thing ive put on mods.io is the Functioning workbench table to craft the super shotgun. I have yet to actually upload a level with gameplay

[honest stag]

Video games are overrated anyway

[crimson patrol]

Upload a book to mods.io

[muted glacier]

Brb. Plagiarizing the entirety of the Harry Potter series and putting it as text on the screen every time you kill an enemy.

[honest stag]

I have a little choose your own adventure prototype

[blissful lion]

the map youre working on?

[honest stag]

nah little scrapped one

[muted glacier]

Ive got something similar that ive not done anything on for months now. Too many ideas already started to put much thought into it.

[blissful lion]

why isnt there an object_door?

[crisp raven]

What would object_door be?

[blissful lion]

the small wooden door from main campaign that you can open and close

[muted glacier]

Swinging doors are a bitch to set up. You have to make it yourself.

https://youtu.be/tFtumeNCLPc

This should help explain how to do so

[inner stream]

who wants to help me break into some of the early stages of dusk in the goodies dlc

mostly whats in the E3 2016 demo

[mortal orbit]

cant you decompile the unity build to get the raw project?

[inner stream]

maybe

im not into unity like that

ill try it, see if im actually able too

[mortal orbit]

I hope it works

[inner stream]

same here

[mortal orbit]

because I would really like to develop more for dusk

[inner stream]

same here

but i kinda want to do something with that

[mortal orbit]

using unity would be so much better than TrenchBoom for making levels

[inner stream]

yep

ok so...

unless new blood wants to give us the entire

game folder from unity itself

then well

its kinda impossible to open games that was built by unity

[mortal orbit]

shid

[inner stream]

XD

[mortal orbit]

I guess I could remake the game, than rip the assets using one of those programs online

[inner stream]

yeah but

is it worth it xD

[mortal orbit]

I just want game making experience

I want to make a boomer shooter

[inner stream]

i would buy

[mortal orbit]

does new blood have any plans on dusk sequel/dlc?

[inner stream]

we got the dusk sequel

[blissful lion]

prequel

[inner stream]

Dusk 82

[mortal orbit]

oh

yeah but

[inner stream]

its the Sequel XD

[inner stream]

ngl tho

i would like a dlc

[mortal orbit]

same

[blissful lion]

i dont know about this stuff, but wouldnt gzdoom offer some boomer shooter making experience?

[inner stream]

yeah

it would

[mortal orbit]

I only really know unity/ue4

[inner stream]

same

[blissful lion]

then do that

and please learn from other games

[inner stream]

both good and bad

[mortal orbit]

I already have some assets to use

[blissful lion]

yeah like know whats annoying

whose idea was to include half-life ladders in dusk for instance

[mortal orbit]

Yeah there are alot of boomer shooter out there

and alot of bad ones

[ancient depot]

If you want to break open the early builds to get the content, you can use a tool like AssetRipper

https://github.com/ds5678/AssetRipper It should be able to rip all of them apart

Then you can just open it in Unity

[gritty forge]

jump pad scaling fix in the update?

[ancient depot]

Maybe. Since it'll break existing maps it's something I need to think about

[muted glacier]

Anyone wanna take a look at my map currently? No gameplay elements in yet, and nothing stopping you from walking out of bounds, but I kind of want opinions on lighting and such so far, and its probably easier to give suggestions if you can walk around in the map itself.

[honest stag]

Shore

Send it over

[muted glacier]

you gotta bear with me. Gotta figure out how to do that

[honest stag]

Send me a dm

You can just drop me a .bsp and ill install it myself

[muted glacier]

@honest stag so.... the file is too big to upload to discord, so im throwing it on Dusk mods.io and ill share the link. (pretty sure the file size is because i use MakkonWad2, which is fucking massive, and I havent removed the textures that I dont use yet)

[crisp raven]

You don't have to include the .wad with the .bsp. There will still be textures

[muted glacier]

real talk? damn. I should have known all this first

[honest stag]

you should send the wad

the textures may not be present if you dont include it alongside the map

[muted glacier]

K. give me 5 to throw it up on mods.io

https://dusk.mod.io/nacht-der-untoten-alpha-lighting-test

let me know if it works properly and is textured. Or if I forgot some type of file

[honest stag]

you can restrict access to it by link-only if you want btw

[muted glacier]

Eh i dont really care if anyone plays it right now. not much to do except walk around.

(also, might suggest running it in low spec mode, I havent removed my barrels yet)

[honest stag]

booting it up

heeeeelll fucking yea dude

it feels so much better when ur running aroudn

also

if you stand on top of the sandbags and use the barrier button you get sent upwards above the roof

the minlight is burning into my eyes tho please get rid of is when you can lol

i know it's testing but god

in general i love it

the brushwork is mwah

[muted glacier]

Yeah the barrier/sandbag teleport wont be a thing on release.

And i dont have a _minlight value. I dont know what it is thats burning your eyes

[honest stag]

light on worldspawn

is what i mean

[gritty forge]

mmm the duskcute is real

all of these props were in trenchbroom only? no obj2map?

[muted glacier]

Everything was made by me in trenchbroom, excluding the airplane. Manniacc made that.

[honest stag]

if we're doing visual testing with no gameplay i'll drop mine too

[muted glacier]

Hell yeah

[honest stag]

delisted but link-access

[gritty forge]

all of this terrain was manual too?

[muted glacier]

yep.

[gritty forge]

got daymu

[muted glacier]

Terrain was like a week straight of work

which of these is the problem Vriska?

[gritty forge]

some of the list is covered

[muted glacier]

everything below that is skybox stuff or audio.

[gritty forge]

what are the command line settings for compiling light.exe?

[muted glacier]

if i know what youre talking about.... I think its just -extra4

[honest stag]

wait, that's sunlight?

[muted glacier]

....yeah? should it not be?

[honest stag]

the whole light outside just seems too... light on worldspawn-y

don't know how to describe it

[gritty forge]

theres twice as much sunlight 2 as sunlight

[honest stag]

hmmm

[gritty forge]

theres either lots of bounce or there must be fill lights everywhere because it almost looks like minlight

[honest stag]

oh, yea i see now, your sunlight2 is overtaking the actual sunlight

try swapping the values of sunlight and sunlight2

[muted glacier]

the sunlight 2 might actually be the problem tbh

[honest stag]

dunno if it'll work by link access

https://dusk.mod.io/old-town-massacre-visual-test?preview=c958ee141231ed3ee2d17ebfd7e700c5

[gritty forge]

Only team members and moderators can view it.

[honest stag]

this one should

[gritty forge]

oh

[honest stag]

also i think i fucked up the spawn point

you're supposed to spawn at the small church

but it doesnt matter ig

[gritty forge]

what wad is this

[muted glacier]

Ill check it in 15 min. Gotta eat real quick

[honest stag]

gotcha

have a good one

[muted glacier]

Is this the map with the sexy ass brick work???

[honest stag]

that's the one

[gritty forge]

you've been working on this for months now right

😩

[gritty forge]

bot is anti twitter

based

[tall zenith]

cause it detected discord invite link in his bio

[honest stag]

Gibby in dusk mods :)

[mild juniper]

I saw that plane on the Vertigo map, that was so sweet!

Is maniacc in this server? I couldn't see him

[honest stag]

Well he was, dunno if hes here anymlre

Anymore

[mild juniper]

Have you got a reference map with your props sitting as prefabs for copy pasting?

It'd be cool to make a big map with a bunch of combined TB props

though it may lead to a lot of maps feeling similar if the same props are used a lot in both

just a thought

[muted glacier]

yeah its @high magnet

[muted glacier]

and I should probably do that tbh. for people who want to use like the trucks and stuff

[mild juniper]

that would be really cool. @honest stag has a map he sent me with some props to use in our maps

if there's a few of those we could combine them into an ultra prop map

just a thought

[muted glacier]

I was actually working on a building prefab map but it was wayyy unaligned and i habent touched it in months. Ill get back to it eventually

https://youtu.be/fFivvlbxFmg

Cant remember if I talk in that vid. If so, excuse my cringe voice.

[muted glacier]

@honest stag oh my god. I just played your map. im absolutely blown away by it. it looks even better than the screenshots. I feel bad about my own now Absolutely bonkers

[honest stag]

Thanky but i feel like yours looks better

But im glad that months of work aren't going to waste

Even tho it may not look like ut

It*

But uhhhh there is one prb

Every single screenshot of this map I've sent to my gf was commented as "too dark"

[muted glacier]

Eh. Building interiors were abit dark, but also unfinished so that doesnt matter. The catacombs are perfectly lit for what they are. If you wanted you could make the moonlight brighter, but with the flashlight, you can pretty much see everything fine. The statue and the chains look absolutely amazing.

But seriously, if darkness is a problem you could make your own street lights or lampposts that give off low ambient light if its that big of a deal.

[honest stag]

i was thinking maybe medieval oil lamp style shit?

that is a good idea

[muted glacier]

Yeah i mean, its your map so whatever you feel like putting the effort into, and im sure it will turn out great. (I am envious of your skybox, but I dont think its dark enough for me to consider stealing for my map)

[honest stag]

could always slap a dark filter on it

i can send the skybox to u if you want

or the pack of skyboxes where i got this from

[muted glacier]

Dang that would be dope if its not too much effort

[honest stag]

uno momento

[mild juniper]

@honest stag I just finished insomnia

https://dusk.mod.io/dusk-spring-2021-map-jam/#211995

chucked a comment there

it was mint

the atmosphere was creepy

[honest stag]

nice, thanks
glad u like it

[mild juniper]

i ended up using a cleaver to kill most things lol

it felt very survival horrory

[honest stag]

that's kind of a little snippet of a conversion i want to build on dusk later when the modding capabilities are expanded

[mild juniper]

id love to see that expanded

im amped to see the rest of the maps in the pack

I had to play maniacs because his shit rules

[honest stag]

they're all super good

[mild juniper]

and fuck that map was good too

i gotta replay it and type up a few key points so i can add it to page

not that any of that will matter once the workshop is out but meh

[last mason]

What wad are you using for these textures?

[honest stag]

thats' a prototype.wad

imma send, 1 moment

[honest stag]

very useful stuff

[last mason]

Yeah, stuff like that is a godsend

I'm gonna try and make a dusk slaughter map

[honest stag]

like an actual map or nuts.wad tier

[last mason]

...well to start with, something over the top and stupid, but my plans are to make an actual map

[honest stag]

just uh be careful with that

we have big performance issues when a lot of enemies are in a map

[last mason]

oh i know that's what i wanna see, how many can fit on a map before issues start

also there's this issue i have with trenchbroom where bringingin some wads will grey out textures so i can't use them

[honest stag]

https://dusk.mod.io/nutswad

[last mason]

lol

yeah, not like that

[mild juniper]

Do it

I had a similar thought

[last mason]

Cha, slaughter maps are a great way to figure out the mechanics.

[mild juniper]

I'd love to see some intense maps

With the infighting you could definitely make it work

Gl dude, if you need testing hit me up

[last mason]

will do

[muted glacier]

How many enemies are in nuts.dusk? Most ive had in a level is 600 and the lag wasnt horrible as long as they werent all in the same room.

[honest stag]

i think like almost 3k

[muted glacier]

Oh shit.

Yeah, id say that probably affects performance

[blissful lion]

texture vriska

hello

[honest stag]

nooo :(

thx for pointing out

[blissful lion]

man this is really dark

you should put some enemies in so you can see how is the combat

[honest stag]

too early for that

basides i dont want them to annoy me while im testing the layout and stuff

[blissful lion]

this door moves the wrong way

[honest stag]

that will be blocked off by a func_clip so it wont be visible

[honest stag]

i keep forgetting that fucking thing lol

[blissful lion]

i saw it when i was on the ground

[blissful lion]

what the fuck is this

[honest stag]

My gaming setup

[blissful lion]

interesting choice of controls

[honest stag]

I just let the water run while ripping a mean shit

For hours

Also try not to save-load

The map may break

[sharp nest]

man its so trough to make sure the player cant just climb up random shit to break the map

[honest stag]

I can't see what's in that lol

[muted glacier]

Its a screenshot of Lower 3

[sharp nest]

Exactly

[long anchor]

funny fact

i never actually shared any screenshots or any information about lower 3

jk it doesn't exist

yet

lower 2 tho

i shared few screens and vriska even got map file

he saw atrocious setpieces i made

can't wait for update to roll out to actually finish the thing

[muted glacier]

Wait. There are sc of Lower 2?? Are these public or only vriska has them?

[plush hemlock]

ke pro

[mild juniper]

Anyone know if workshop support is planned to be released in tandem with the upcoming SDK update?

[crisp raven]

Zombie definitely knows

[mild juniper]

I'm hoping he'll see this, I didn't wanna ping him

[muted glacier]

But will he reveal his secrets or not is the question

Vertigo i swear I know you from somewhere, or know of you. Do you make doom wads?

[mild juniper]

ye m8

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Vertigo

Doom is my main jam

When I release the dusk mod I'm working on now it'll be my first non-Doom release

pretty excited for that

[crisp raven]

Zombie LOVES toying with us it's his FAVOURITE PASSTIME

[muted glacier]

Cant wait to see it! (Also, some of your level names sound familiar so im positive ive either played, or watched someone play your maps)

[mild juniper]

That's awesome 😄

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337105495804477440/920824565901451314/unknown.png

heres a WIP shot

Im gonna focus a lot on gameplay and we're not releasing until after the SDK update so I can do proper monster closets and teleport traps

[gritty forge]

there was some janky hack for getting monster closets to actually comply with the navmesh

as for teleport traps...

[mild juniper]

Vriska was telling me about that, you start with the doors open then close them right?

[gritty forge]

yeah

[mild juniper]

fuck that lol, sounds like such a ball ache

man, you guys have had to put up with a lot of shit with this current SDK

I mean, its definitely better than nothing

[muted glacier]

Oh dont I know it

Heres some of the earliest footage of barriers. Very crude/primitive. They function alittle differently now (considering this is basically the earliest version of them, and Ive completely overhauled how enemies interact with them).

https://imgur.com/gallery/Xz5RLt0

I had to figure out how to make a window an enemy could walk through, but not the player, but also have the enemy stop whenever the barrier is up.

(The enemy walked diagonally out the window in the earliest versions because I had yet to figure out how to keep them from telefragging themselves when coming in the window. This has since been fixed)

[gritty forge]

could you parent barrels to stuff like monsters

parenting props to props?

[mild juniper]

yo thats real cool

I love the idea of being able to barricade yourself in, I use those sorts of scenarios to help me sleep lol

[gritty forge]

https://twitter.com/ChrisHoldenDev
lots of interesting stuff about level design on his page
hopefully bot doesnt snipe it down this time?

^ especially his blockout & design tutorials

[muted glacier]

Part of me feels like you should be able to. I guess it depends on what youre trying to do. Like having a barrel explosion teleport a monster to a closet destination or something?

[muted glacier]

@mild juniper When you played my map yesterday did it have a skybox? I cant remember if I included the pngs or not

[honest stag]

i played it and didnt see it

[muted glacier]

damnit. so it was the default bright sky?

[honest stag]

ye

[muted glacier]

that possibly ccontributed to the light making your eyes bleed.

Im still figuring out how to share maps and stuff for people to playtest because at the start, my file organization was trash. I cant tell you where my original skybox is. so Im glad you sent me those

yeah, now that Im looking at it with the default skybox, its making my eyes bleed. Im so sorry I subjected you all to that

[honest stag]

lmao

was it a plain starry sky?

[muted glacier]

i mean, it was starry, but it wasnt the default night sky, and the moon was positioned in a way that made sense. Im going to use another one, but I was so confused as to why you all said it was too bright because its not XD

[gritty forge]

once again, you can omit certain layers from your map to speed up compiles
here i have a layer omitted & textured red in trenchbroom

all gone from compile

[mild juniper]

Which one? I'll boot it up and see

[mild juniper]

That's very cool, I didn't know hiding layers actually omitted them when compiling

that could be useful for bigger maps

I usually have each chunk/area of the map on its own layer and then func and entities on a separate one too

[muted glacier]

can somebody take a second to download the 1.1 version of my map to confirm that the skybox is included with it?

https://dusk.mod.io/nacht-der-untoten-alpha-lighting-test

[mild juniper]

yup

do you need me to check it ingame?

[muted glacier]

Yeah, if you want and have the time

[boreal portal]

where is the absolute braindead 7 IQ idiot's guide to installing DUSK maps

[crisp raven]

Pinned messages

[boreal portal]

thanks

[crisp raven]

Oh wait INSTALLING THEM

[boreal portal]

yeah not making them

[crisp raven]

Here's customer support

[honest stag]

It should be around pins too

[boreal portal]

just assume I am 3 braincells away from braindead

[honest stag]

But if you want a step by step, 1 moment

[boreal portal]

I appreciate you ❤️

[honest stag]

First, download the mod .zip and make sure you're on the SDK beta branch on steam

[gritty forge]

1. download zip
2. unpack zip
3. open sdk folder after installing it on steam, should be in mnt/local
4. drag mod folder in zip to the sdk folder
5. run sdk and enjoy

[honest stag]

Open the local files of dusk, and navigate to SDK -> mnt -> local

Unzip the contents of the mod into that folder

Then run the sdk, open the "modding" menu

Tick the box with your mod, and hit "apply"

After that, go into "campaign" and hit "custom level"

[boreal portal]

this is the right place?

[honest stag]

Yup

[gritty forge]

https://tenor.com/view/applause-applaud-clap-clapping-proud-gif-17643067

[honest stag]

Now you can boot up dusk

[gritty forge]

u did it

[boreal portal]

me an my 3 braincells did it

[mild juniper]

@muted glacier hmmmm skybox not showing in game

it shows default hud

i'll try change load order and retry

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2684410456

[boreal portal]

where is the "modding" menu in the main title screen

[mild juniper]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2684411257

[mild juniper]

You need to open the SDK

if modding isnt there then you arent running the SDK

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2684411584

[honest stag]

When you start dusk, it should show you options for launch

Singleplayer, multiplayer and dusk_sdk

[boreal portal]

usually there would be modded too

for other games

but idk why it isn't here

[honest stag]

Are you on windows?

[boreal portal]

yes

[honest stag]

Stupid question sry

Hmmm

Ok so

[boreal portal]

it's okay, i'm not any smarter

😂

[honest stag]

Go into the SDK folder, and find dusk_win.bat
If not there, try the mnt folder

[boreal portal]

i clicked it

holy crap

the game started

[honest stag]

Should have the menu nkw

Now*

[boreal portal]

yes it did

thank you very much @honest stag

much appreciated

[honest stag]

Now you can enable the mod and have fun

Also

[boreal portal]

yes

[honest stag]

Try not to load your saves if you can while playimg

Saving-loading may break things in custom maps so do it only if you really need to

[boreal portal]

nice jank

[honest stag]

Do be like that

[gritty forge]

saving and loading literally always breaks something for me

[boreal portal]

All good games have based jankiness

[honest stag]

That is true, but the sdk is still in its alpha

We'll get more updates and features so stick around

[boreal portal]

🙏

Press any key to enter the horror

[honest stag]

Vertigo city slaps btw

Good map choi

Choice*

[alpine depot]

vertigo city is so cool

i love city maps

[honest stag]

Doom 2 Sandy's city

[boreal portal]

My laptop is struggling to handle this map even on the 2 part version 🤣

[honest stag]

Oh yea bigger maps dont perform that well

For now obv

[boreal portal]

are most of the custom maps going to be found on the steam page?

[honest stag]

Wdym?

Workshop?

[ancient depot]

Workshop is coming, yes

[honest stag]

But whether the current maps will be ported is up to the makers

[ancient depot]

It's not visible to non-devs but

[honest stag]

[boreal portal]

Based, workshop is best for brainlets like me, "click button install mod"

[honest stag]

Ive always been wondering how workshop protects from malwate being uploaded

Malware*

[ancient depot]

It doesn't, afaik