dusk-modding

[vast palm]

Which makes me think it's a problem on my end

[vast palm]

I'm now certain lights do compile properly

[vast palm]

If anyone wants to check it out, tell me if the textures are loaded on your end

[blissful lion]

.7z 🤮

[ancient depot]

7z is superior

[dusk grove]

7z is superior

[alpine depot]

<-- me, clueless, still using winrar

i am a fan of the dot zeep

[vast palm]

Seriously though, if no one has an idea why the textures on the map I compiled don't show up even though other maps work just fine and the said map also works fine on other people's computers, I'll try uninstalling Dusk and reinstalling it

[alpine depot]

i doubt reinstalling would do much if other maps work fine

[vast palm]

😫

[alpine depot]

do you have palette.lmp in your mod folder

[vast palm]

I do

[alpine depot]

oh wait yeah thats probably not the issue if it loads for others

lemme take a quick look lol

[vast palm]

I sent the files to Vriska and it loaded just fine on his computer

Download the last file I shared and try it yourself

[alpine depot]

yeah ok the actual structure looks fine

[vast palm]

I even copied the palette in maps to see if that's the issue 😂

[crimson patrol]

try it with some other palette

[alpine depot]

oh uhhh doesnt work with me lol

lemme see if putting the dusk base content on a higher load priority will do anything

uhhhh weird

so it works fine for vriska wtf

[vast palm]

Wait

Try this one

This is the one that worked for Vriska

[alpine depot]

yeah works fine for me

this is so weird wtf

[vast palm]

😂

[alpine depot]

i uhhh have no idea

lmao

sorry i dunno what to do here

[vast palm]

I downloaded that same file and pasted it

I got full dark geo and clipped through the floor 😂

Restarted the game and it worked

I have no idea how

[alpine depot]

probably something with reloading the whole game when you restart

[vast palm]

Maybe

[alpine depot]

im not zombie or a similar interstellar genius so i dunno for sure ll

but yeah restarting does the trick sometimes

[vast palm]

But the same map refused to load the textures several times

[alpine depot]

pain in the ass to have to do it to see new mod folders after drag and dropping

lol thats so weird

[vast palm]

Yeah

Gonna try compiling the map again with lights this time and see if it does the same

Nopperino

🤦‍♂️

I thought map editors would the name of the wad files used by the map to the worldspawn automatically

Adding the name of the wad to worldspawn fixed the issue

So here's Doom 2's E1M1 in Dusk for everyone's viewing pleasure

[crisp raven]

Neat

Do all the doors work?

[vast palm]

Thanks

And no

I just export the geometry to a readable format and then turn it into brushes

Maybe if I learn how to parse wads then that might be possible

But I don't want to go that far (yet)

[crisp raven]

Still pretty cool regardless

You wouldn't happen to have a program that automatically finishes my levels? 😫

[vast palm]

Thank you 🙂

[vast palm]

Unfortunately, no 😦

But I can give people map files if they want to work on Doom ports

[vast palm]

What texture should I use for the skybox though?

[gritty forge]

looking for dusk map jam discord invite, anybody got it?

[crisp raven]

I own that server

You're extremely sketchy so I'm not inviting you

[gritty forge]

can you at least DM me

[vast palm]

There's a Dusk mapping server?

[crisp raven]

It's for map jams

[vast palm]

Ah

This is more fun than I imagined

[crimson patrol]

lmfao

[gritty forge]

😔

[crisp raven]

How do you even know about that server?

[gritty forge]

didnt igrac tell you?

[crisp raven]

indeed

Anyways

Off topic 😁

[gritty forge]

?

[crimson patrol]

is this mashed potatos ghost

[gritty forge]

the guy who made the pirate ship map?

[crimson patrol]

the guy who vanished like 2 years ago after making 1 really good map

[gritty forge]

..the pirate ship map?

i'm confused

[crisp raven]

I think mashed potatoes map was only on moddb

[gritty forge]

it had custom textures iirc

https://www.moddb.com/games/dusk/addons/dusktestlevel

[crisp raven]

Yeah

Never played it tbh

[crimson patrol]

currently trying to make contact with mashedpotato

can i get invited to beer books i need to see his messages

[ancient depot]

The format is super simple so that probably wouldn't be hard

Or should I say... dead simple

[honest stag]

Nah bro trust me

We made a lot kf attempts

He's disappeared off the face of the earth

[crimson patrol]

did you ever message his moddb account?

[honest stag]

Yup

Several times

[crimson patrol]

huh

well he lives in the uk so its only 67 million people to interrogate

[crisp raven]

The Dusk Mappers curse

Mysteriously disappear without a word

[crimson patrol]

could i somehow find his email

[honest stag]

That's going a bit too far imo

[crisp raven]

Already at his house where are y'all at?

[honest stag]

If he didnt show up in 2 years then he prolly just didn't want to

[crimson patrol]

yea if he left he probably doesnt want to be bothered

[honest stag]

And if something happened then you won't reach him

[vast palm]

I've never tried parsing raw binary files before though. That's why I'm kinda reluctant 😅

[ancient depot]

It's way easier than parsing text imo

[muted glacier]

I try my hardest to not disappear

[vast palm]

I'll give it a try later then. I hope I can find enough documentation on the format.

Even though it's empty, it feels really fun running around 😄

[vast palm]

Okay this is terrible

[crisp raven]

Failed Experiment 😢

[vast palm]

I put pretty much every monster in the map 😂

[honest stag]

give all doom levels badass lighting

because why not

[scenic gull]

Surprised nobody made this sooner https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2675662809

[muted glacier]

@scenic gull that sounds horrible

[vast palm]

Playing At Dusk's Gate in the background 😏

[gritty forge]

does anyone know how to work obj2map?

thinking of using it for once since putting models in maps sounds neat

[vast palm]

The Blender plugin called io_export_qmap does the same thing

https://github.com/c-d-a/io_export_qmap

[gritty forge]

why, is it better?

[vast palm]

It does the same job

If you're making the models yourself, this addon is what you're looking for imho

[gritty forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917533548020367380/917919760761651280/pepe.jpg

embed fail

pretend theres a pepe and its got tri soup

1672 brushes... now i gotta find out how to keep the brush count down

[muted glacier]

Holy moly. The triangles

[vast palm]

Yeah I remember seeing this image when I first tried obj2map

[crimson patrol]

Lmao

[vast palm]

Make your models less detailed

[mild juniper]

woo https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/703381719608459304/917926329050091571/unknown.png

getting tb set up for dusk was a piece of piss

luckily i already had it set up for quake so it took all of 5 min to suss

real excited to start making some dusk maps

any jams coming up?

xmas 2021 or something?

[vast palm]

No idea

[mild juniper]

also, any dusk mapping/modding discords other than this one and I guess the Quake Mapping one?

Sorry, got another question, have the map sources for the vanilla maps been released?

[vast palm]

Vanilla maps were not made with Quake mapping tools

They were made directly inside Unity with Probuilder afaik

[mild juniper]

ah ok, sweet thanks

[vast palm]

👍

[muted glacier]

Theres also a Trenchbroom Discord that functions similarly to the Quake Discord Im pretty sure

[honest stag]

It never ever worked for me

Not once

[crisp raven]

Do not expect a Jam any time soon. At least not until the SDK is updated.

[gritty forge]

if sdk is updated by christmas

mardi gras jam is possible

[gritty forge]

wht

how did you make the motorcycle

manually in trenchbroom? no exporting?

[honest stag]

yea

i've done all my brush props by hand

[gritty forge]

cursed

[honest stag]

nothin cursed about having a tiny amount of clean brushes and not an auto-generated mess

same with the blender qmap exporter

if you make a model simple enoigh to be cleanly exported as .map, then you can make the same one out of brushes manually in seconds

[gritty forge]

superhot map?

-dirtdebug with white concrete, good lighting and red models for monsters

[mild juniper]

cool idea, it'd be super easy to retexture the enemies to be red which would make it feel like a much more comprehensive mod

you could also do really cool stuff with using props as weapons just like superhot

[gritty forge]

just need people to put in nbhot and duskmare

[mild juniper]

nbhot ?

[gritty forge]

infinite superhot powerup

[mild juniper]

ah yep

you can probs force player hp to via some keyvalues

[honest stag]

Nope

[mild juniper]

or at trigger to set skill ?

dang

heh

[honest stag]

Best thing you can do is a 99 damage trigger_hurt

[mild juniper]

^

yeah trigger once

[honest stag]

Enemies sometimes drop health tho

[gritty forge]

god i cant wait for trigger spawn

[mild juniper]

there's no trigger spawn? D:

dang it bobby

so the vanilla maps use monster closets for tele traps?

[honest stag]

The current version of the sdk lacks quite a lot of features, but it's enough for basic maps and a bit more

[mild juniper]

staying true to the retro shooter roots eh

[gritty forge]

vanilla is different from the SDK

SDK, yeah

[mild juniper]

is the SDK still being developed?

[gritty forge]

yea

[mild juniper]

ive only just set up dusk in tb today so im way out of the loop

[gritty forge]

if you check the zdoom server you can see zombie talking about it sometimes

[mild juniper]

ah yep

[gritty forge]

maybe you could have a trigger message at the start of each level to ask the player to turn on nbhot

does nbhot save through levels?

[honest stag]

Don't think so

[gritty forge]

just got an idea that i could test out rq

[mild juniper]

im working on my first dusk map atm, its so fun

workshop support will be so mint

would be good to have a few maps ready to go when the workshop drops

[honest stag]

can always upload to mod.io for now

[mild juniper]

yeah def will do when its done eventually

[honest stag]

Traffic of people playing (or mapping) went down quite a bit tho

For now

[mild juniper]

https://i.imgur.com/fBKA0wD.png

blocking out architecture first

idea for map is start at home > walk through woods > enter small town

probs do non-linear 3 key exit

i like the idea of exploring a town like silent hill

[honest stag]

Eyyy that's my current map

[mild juniper]

;o

great minds etc etc

[honest stag]

I've been chipping at it for months now

[mild juniper]

noice

hmu if u need some playtesting done

i can record a blind run

[honest stag]

Will be a while before that but ill drop u a message

It's good you haven't seen any screenshots yet cuz I've pretty much shown off the whole map here

[mild juniper]

ah yeah, dont really check this disc but i will do moreso now

feels good mapping after taking an extended break

hm, I think kingpin textures might work together with vanilla dusk

ill check it out when i start texturing

[gritty forge]

little test for that superhot idea
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917534437472882720/917978269050097714/unknown.png

not sure what im gonna put for the ceiling though

maybe ill just leave it open sealing's overrated anyways

[honest stag]

I used these in an unreleased map of mine

They are absolutely wonderful

[mild juniper]

That's what i was thinking, you could extend those 2x2 blocks at the top of the pillars and cross them in the middle

so you'd have sky showing through the grid

[mild juniper]

ah great to know, cheers

[honest stag]

Here's how they looked

[mild juniper]

they work perfectly

[honest stag]

Ikr

[mild juniper]

I'm going to use them for the city portion of this map

i had a feeling the grungyness would mesh really well with dusk's palette

@honest stag got any released maps I can check out?

I really like that last screenshot

ive only played the vanilla dusk maps

[gritty forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/917534437472882720/917987153097682994/unknown.png?width=990&height=585

not bad, still messing with sunlight settings

[honest stag]

Trespasser, some jam maps

I recommend trespasser especially

[mild juniper]

mint, i'll have a squizz

that was sweet

the retextured enemies work a treat

[honest stag]

My bud veven did those

[mild juniper]

the opening shot is really cool too

[honest stag]

Absolute chad

Try out Insomnia from the spring j am if you want smth short

[gritty forge]

you can change the health of an enemy with the health key right?

[honest stag]

Yes

[gritty forge]

got damn this superhot thing could work

[mild juniper]

Is there a way to get fullbright?

[honest stag]

Yea

[gritty forge]

-dirtdebug is what i use

and it looks nice

[honest stag]

Dont compile light.exe
Or slap light 500 on worldspawn

[mild juniper]

yeah i was thinking to just skip light

[honest stag]

Actually the light.exe trick may be broken but give it a try

[mild juniper]

cool ez

thanks guys

dang, skipping light.exe doesnt work, I'll just use a big light

[honest stag]

Yea i always just use big light on worldspawn cuz i keep forgetting that skipping light doesn't work

[mild juniper]

is there anywhere i can see some info about mapping for endless mode? Namely, which entities to use to control enemy spawn locations, weapon spawns etc ?

[honest stag]

Cant be done yet

[ancient depot]

Yeah currently you can only do singleplayer campaign maps

[mild juniper]

ahh ok, thanks again

Does Dusk use the Skip texture? If it does, is it worth setting sides that can never be seen to skip like you may do in Quake?

I know it runs on Unity so I'm assuming not

[gritty forge]

link

used to think i sucked at trenchbroom
i still do but now i realize i can blame lighting now 😔

[gritty forge]

did we ever get an updated dusk FGD with the stuff missing from quake fgd

[mild juniper]

I downloaed the latest one I could find yesterday and the filename is dusk4.fgd

i followed some stean tutorial and it linked an older one but I found this, presumably, newer one (cant remember where)

can flick it to ya in a pm if u need

Ive got yet another question, is there a way to force func_breakable to require explosives? I couldn't see a flag for it, do I just need to increase the HP?

[crisp raven]

There's no way for it to require explosives

[gritty forge]

opening notepad++ to connect all the teleport rooms and triggers

oh god

[vast palm]

Skip is still useful since the BSP compiler skips those brush faces, so the game will not render them since they are not compiled

[crisp raven]

If the map is sealed it automatically skips all outside faces

[mild juniper]

sweet, thanks guys

[gritty forge]

wtf

my trigger_teleports are targeting a teleport_destination

yet they keep teleporting to 0,0,0

nevermind

[mild juniper]

;s weird is it just the one?

sweet

[gritty forge]

it's info_teleport_destination

[mild juniper]

ahh

good to know

does Dusk support the fog keyvalue?

[gritty forge]

no fog in sdk yet

[mild juniper]

It doesnt seem to be working,

dang it bobby

ok

WTB SDK update

i hope a solid sized SDK update comes out before workshop support does

because I dont wanna wait that long lol

[gritty forge]

christmas is possible

[mild juniper]

ohh

is there any info for that or just guessing?

[mild juniper]

wew!

shot dude

[gritty forge]

plot twist: actually 2022 christmas

[mild juniper]

progress is going decently well for my first map

[gritty forge]

i think i'm done with the proof of concept superhot in dusk

[mild juniper]

ive got the start area blocked out for the most part, now there's a small outdoor bit and then I can start working on the town

mean

want me to test?

[gritty forge]

in a little

[mild juniper]

lol my map is called poc too ; p

i wasnt planning on actually making it a proper map, just a poc but i got carried away

[gritty forge]

@mild juniper

can't actually exit the map

make sure you start with duskmare and type in nbhot as soon as you start

you spawn with a hunting rifle

[mild juniper]

sweet ill give it a blat

the start needs to be changed imo, trying to type nbhot before getting obliterated is really frustrating

[gritty forge]

im well aware

[mild juniper]

maybe put up 4 walls/plats around the player with a trigger to lower them as soon as theymove?

its unplayable without it tbh

i died 10 times within 1.5 seconds and just quit

how about putting a superhot powerup on top of the player start?

i know quake doesnt like entities intersecting but idk if that holds true for dusk

[tough juniper]

Mod

[honest stag]

Like what?

[gritty forge]

just a few point & trigger entities

[crisp raven]

Trigger counter

For instance

Actually I think that might be the only one

[honest stag]

Can you name the specific things?

[gritty forge]

no idea which ones

trigger counter is one of them

[honest stag]

If u dont know then theyre not important eh

[gritty forge]

[honest stag]

I'll add counter today

[crisp raven]

Today

[honest stag]

I didn't add it cuz asking zombie to re-pin felt unnecessary over just 1 change

And i was hoping we'd get an update so i could add more changes

I may keep waiting actually

[crisp raven]

Yeah might be the better move

[honest stag]

Oh i added it already

Oh well

[gritty forge]

let's say hypothetically

classic sterotypical dusk cabin map

but superhot

[long anchor]

@honest stag i may or may not have deleted some stuff from quake fgd while working on dusks

[honest stag]

i deleted quite a bit that was useless for now

i'll re-add it once we get an update

[long anchor]

ah fr?

didn't know

[mild juniper]

If you texture it white super hot style that could be sick

Easily identifiable architecture from cabins/farm + white texture

https://youtu.be/tBl-lc_TB5g

I'm posting this here cause idk wtf is going on in the general channel

[livid steppe]

Hi guys! I have a generic question, but where can i find a 3d-models from dusk? Want to make some papercraft and share that with you

[mild juniper]

Vriska mentioned that the models were in iqm format so I'd look into that format

[honest stag]

I can send you the .blend files when i can

[mild juniper]

You can probably find some unity tool to open the dusk data files and then something else to view the iqms

Ah well there you go

Shot

[ancient depot]

You can also ask me for any other models that aren't easily available

[honest stag]

The shed

[ancient depot]

The angled one?

[honest stag]

No the one with weird textures

Which spawned miles away when i ported it

[ancient depot]

[livid steppe]

that would be great!

[honest stag]

I'll do it in like 10 mins

[honest stag]

Dusk anniversary soon

Gon celebrate with sum hash

And a birthday map, again

[ancient depot]

We've got some stuff coming for the anniversary (it's not the update, if you were wondering)

'Tis a surprise

[honest stag]

Lemme guess

it has something to do with those oddly HD enemies

[ancient depot]

You can guess but it's not going to get a response

[muted glacier]

Will I finish my map for the anniversary I wonder? (No, in case you were wondering)

[honest stag]

Im just gonna make a bet with myself and say it has something to do with those enemies we saw

But im excite

[muted glacier]

You will all get christmas screenshots of progress, so feel blessed If i remember. Maybe Ill even let someone playtest to just look at the map. No enemies, invisible walls, or actual gameplay mechanics, but walking simulator.

[ancient depot]

Okay that one I'll answer. https://twitter.com/DaveOshry/status/1468863039994679296

[honest stag]

I just hope it's not a base game update thing cuz i won't be able to experience it

Damn

Can i just say tho

This sucker is straight outta dementium 2

[ancient depot]

lmao

[honest stag]

Also im still aiming to get at least one of my maps shown off at one of these trailers u guys make

Guess it needs a big shooty section for that

[ancient depot]

I'll remind myself to suggest it whenever we do

[honest stag]

And i'll try to release an actual decent map by then lol

[muted glacier]

So in order to create a health regen mod for Dusk, would I make that in Unity's scripting language (C# im assuming)? @ancient depot. (Sorry for the ping).

[ancient depot]

There is currently no official support for mods involving scripting (it's planned for later), but you can do that currently with third party Unity game modding tools, yes

For example, you could do that with BepInEx. Though it'd be difficult to find a nice way to package such a mod (but I think the game would actually successfully load any custom entities you programmed in that way)

Since the internal code structure is changing significantly though, pretty much all mods doing that will break with the next update (hence why it's not officially supported right now)

[muted glacier]

Okay, then Ill probably just wait until all the internal stuff is changed so I dont have to do it twice after it breaks.

[bold orbit]

Prepare for Phase DUSK 2

[gritty forge]

🅱️usk HD pack

[blissful lion]

cant wait for it to be the default option like in half life

[mild juniper]

This is the first I'm hearing of new models, I'm excited to see them in action

[crisp raven]

But then you realize all the models are Ugly Tables, Vacuums, and Big Chungus 😭

[mild juniper]

[gritty forge]

why do faces for the enemies only get shaded when the flashlight's on in the SDK

looks completely flat

look at them curves

[ancient depot]

The game deliberately has single color shading for lighting

A stylistic choice

[mild juniper]

Anyone working on a map atm?

I'm keen to see some screens

[honest stag]

@crimson patrol

[muted glacier]

@mild juniper I posted these a few days ago in chat.

[mild juniper]

shit dude, those look sick

gives me an rtcw vibe

the way the outdoor areas are done is really good, looks very natural

[muted glacier]

Oh it was a pain. Vertex point editing. It was truly triangle soup.

[gritty forge]

another superhot in dusk concept, this time a barn

ambient occlusion might be a little too much

i should have it ready by the weekend

[mild juniper]

oh looking nice

very clean shape

looks liek it was made in blender or something

[gritty forge]

the ways of the CZG

[alpine depot]

ooh im really digging the aesthetic here

ambient occlusion goes a long way

[mild juniper]

I'll chuck my stuff up to, starting on a egyptian map, blocking out architecture to get the flow right

hard to see whats what in screenshots without texturing

all the shapes are placeholder and will get changed a lot when i start detailing

[crimson patrol]

Nothing going on, busy this week

[honest stag]

but you got old screens right

i dont think vertigo saw them

[alpine depot]

ayo more egyptian maps??? lets fucking GOOOOO

[mild juniper]

Makes sense for a treasure hunter to rootin around dusty old egyptian tombs eh

[honest stag]

"how many tombs have you raided today in the name of the Queen chap"

[crimson patrol]

Oh you want old screenies?

[blissful lion]

thanks, another map that will lag like shit for me

[blissful lion]

also do you have like a high sunlight level or something

cus no shadows

[honest stag]

pretty sure he used plain minlight on that map of his temporarly cuz compiling lighting would take a long time

and he was still in the process of making the layout

but hey ask em im just guessing off memory

[crimson patrol]

Yea that's what i did

[crisp raven]

I'm wondering, is it laggy for a few seconds when you first enter the level?

Just a problem I've been noticing with one of my maps

[crimson patrol]

It's laggy when I face a certain direction, but no lag when I start a map

[blissful lion]

lower?

[crimson patrol]

2

[blissful lion]

can you link

i played something called lower3

[crimson patrol]

Where is this lower 3

[crisp raven]

New map jam idea where everyone has to make their own interpretation of what Lower 2 will be like

[crimson patrol]

That's not a bad idea

[muted glacier]

Does it lag when you play it in low spec mode?

[crimson patrol]

i havent tested

[muted glacier]

Are there any fire barrels on your map? Or anything with effects like the flames? Because I have a map with a barrel secrion and on spawn, if you look in that direction it lags unless you play in low spec mode

[crimson patrol]

nope, i take special care to not use dynamic lights

could probably be the 128 teleport entities to simulate the bridge explosion, and the 64 barrels under the map

[gritty forge]

TIL trenchbroom has a built in compiling interface

about to set it up right now and move away from the necros gui

main benefit i've heard is that it works with Trenchbroom's hiding layers thing

[mild juniper]

Those look sweet, for some reason I get a Blood vibe from them

So it's a railway station?

[crimson patrol]

was, scrapped the map

currently making a better version of it

[desert sonnet]

When the funny

What lang is this coded in

[gritty forge]

what? the SDK?

[desert sonnet]

Oh there's an sdk

Sick

[mild juniper]

you guys gonna watch the stream?

[honest stag]

Wish i could

Im in class

Is it going to be a lot of unreleased content?

Because if yes im fucking ecstatic

[mild juniper]

It sounds like the old builds are already out?

apparently theres a dropbox link with old builds

here come the old builds

[honest stag]

I played that, but im talking about more content

Like that unreleased map

[ancient depot]

you won't be disappointed

[honest stag]

Fuuuuck yeah

[mild juniper]

dude

all the shits coming to SDK

[ancient depot]

if you've been here long enough, that shouldn't be new info

[mild juniper]

my third day here and im stoked

Having the m16 model as an alt assault rifle will be so fkn sweet

[muted glacier]

Wait. Im at work right now. Anyone got a list of all the shit coming to the SDK? Cant watch the stream

[ancient depot]

Basically any cut content from the game we still have

[honest stag]

now make it usable in the sdk

🙂

[ancient depot]

That's the plan

[mild juniper]

churr

so amped

[crisp raven]

Watch out y'all he's playing community maps 👀

[alpine depot]

cant wait for one of my maps to destroy david's computer

instantly load in and boom you got yourself a campfire goin

[last flame]

howdy

so, DUSK mods

[honest stag]

There is a guide in pinned messages on how to make custom maps

and we'll tell you more if you have any questions

[last flame]

awesome, ty!

[alpine depot]

welcome to our domain, weary traveler

[last flame]

howdy

[alpine depot]

yeah the pins should tell you everything you need to know about the basic gist of making and installing mods n stuff

otherwise we all have no lives so we'll be glad to help at any time lol

[last flame]

lol alrighty

might give it a crack after I finish this Prodeus map I've been messing with

[alpine depot]

ooh nice

ill probs pick up prodeus when the winter sale hits, always wanted to try out the mapping tools

[last flame]

they're pretty good I think, but to be fair they're all I've really tried so far

still new to the whole boomer shooter stuff tbh, let alone mapping

[alpine depot]

word of advice: run while you still can

once you fall down the boomer shooter rabbit hole theres no escape

[mild juniper]

have they shown the official mods coming to workshop on stream yet?

[honest stag]

nah

[mild juniper]

mods time!

[honest stag]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

THE HD MODELS

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING

[mild juniper]

dude holy shit

i reckon this will attract a whole bunch of people

when they see footage iwth HD models

[honest stag]

god holy shit

dusk day is great

[worn umbra]

the assault rifle my GOD

[honest stag]

ALL THE MODELS ARE SO WOW

[worn umbra]

imma dive head first into the fukin modding again with this shit

problem is that custom models are gonna have a waaayyyyy higher bar to clear if someone uses the new models as well

i dont even know if that counts as a problem with the models tho even they're SO GOOD

[bold orbit]

SEX.

[mild juniper]

yeah true, thats a good point. It does mean though that more models will fit if taking into account stuff made for HL

so if there's a way to get hl models into the right format they could look pretty good

[honest stag]

im sure peopel ripped the HL models a million times over

so as long as you can get them into blender, you can get them out as dusk models

[mild juniper]

easy as fuck then

remake all of HL1 just so we can do sick flips

[ancient depot]

damn, the models are revealed

now I can't be mean and act like it's some secret dusk 2 thing

[honest stag]

I gotta thank dave for constantly leaking stuff very early

[bold orbit]

you guys took the dementium docs head and stuck him on kleiner
explain

[ancient depot]

lmao

[honest stag]

bleesed image

[gritty forge]

Im so happy David played my map x)

even though he didn’t finish it

[honest stag]

hell yea bro

it totally deserved it

good shit

[gritty forge]

I wish he would have seen the ending

[honest stag]

i know that feel

doesnt like saving i guess lol

[gritty forge]

His reaction to the train was priceless

he like, physically jumped back in surprise

[honest stag]

no wonder lmao
with the limited tools we have that train is very fresh to see

[gritty forge]

I remember the reason I added it was because the start of the song I usez had that sweeping air sound

sounds like a train passing by in a forest

[honest stag]

i thought you timed it lol

[gritty forge]

Yeah but SDK lag makes it not sync sometimes

[honest stag]

like a separate thing

[gritty forge]

Still need to finish 2-3 maps for this ”episode” of maps to be done

I’ll also redo a lot of the stuff to be a bit more streamlined then

and maybe add custom enermies, particles and fog once thats supported

[mild juniper]

Nice, how many have you got so far?

[gritty forge]

3

Started on a fourth but it has some issues that killed my motivation

some of which are unfixable

Might redo the entire map and just copy some things I really liked

Cause the concept of the map is really good if I do say so myself

[mild juniper]

oh wicked, thats a good amount

almost finished the layout for my egyptian map, just got final arena to do

[blissful lion]

sorry for ping, but prodeus has never went on sale yet

i dont believe this will change, maybe at full release

[mild juniper]

i told vriska i was gonna bribe u with some nugs to release the SDK update sooner since you live in NZ too

[ancient depot]

You have been misled

I don't live in NZ

[mild juniper]

damn, then the wait for the SDK continues

tbh ive only been waiting for a few days so im just whinging for fun

[alpine depot]

damn :(

[blissful lion]

ive seen someone talk about simulating explosions with barrels

how exactly?

[honest stag]

Yea

explosive props can self-telefrag

all you need to do is send 2 barrels/gas cans in the same point at the same time

can be done by putting 2 barrels into a single big trigger_teleport

[blissful lion]

can they be teleported weirdly, like into a wall

yo crowman

[honest stag]

i think so, yea

you dont need to , right next to a wall also does the job imo

[blissful lion]

like they dont do weird stuff like enemies

[honest stag]

they shouldnt, but then again you dont have to set them inside of a wall

[blissful lion]

does it look good?

[honest stag]

y

yeah imo

[blissful lion]

can you see the barrels before they explode?

[honest stag]

i can't lol

[blissful lion]

is that a bad eyes joke or bad framerate joke

[honest stag]

no joke

but i havent heard people claiing they see it yet

[blissful lion]

ok imma try to blow up some rubble

[honest stag]

i'm not sure if explosions can trigger breakables actually
even if they can't, you can still trigger them with the same trigger

just make sure to use multi_manager if you do

[blissful lion]

ik

how can i make breakables not break in any way other than triggers?

[honest stag]

give them a health of either -1 or 0 lemme check

[blissful lion]

ive seen that tresspasser breakables dont have the health tag

but in the fgd you cant remove that property

[blissful lion]

just 0?

[honest stag]

yea

that's the breakable wall in trespasser that gets smashed by a truck

[blissful lion]

ah ok

when i set something to -1 it broke instantly

[hard pollen]

Oh hey Soldier David was included in the goodies folder.

Whoever decided to include it has good taste.

Also never forget.

[gritty forge]

hey

if you had a func_breakable

and something invisible to block any gunshots from hitting it

and an explosion

shouldn't the explosion pass through and break the breakable

[blissful lion]

prob

but theres also this thing called a crossbow

[gritty forge]

yeah

also i dont know anything that blocks gunshots and not players

[sharp nest]

i do thing ilusionary walls stop the bullets

[crisp raven]

They do

[sharp nest]

and you can get a transparent texture

[gritty forge]

and you can walk through them?

about to test this out

[crisp raven]

You can walk through but it stops bullets

[alpine depot]

func_clip does the opposite

[blissful lion]

how can you make bars that you can shoot trough then?

like those in doom or somethin

g

[crisp raven]

You can't

[blissful lion]

sucks

any chance we get func_rotate and custom sound effects?

in the next update

[ancient depot]

yes

though you probably mean func_rotating right?

that should already be there

[blissful lion]

you mean in the update?

cus ive heard it doesnt work

[ancient depot]

hm

Hm I see. It's implemented in the current SDK build, but it's a "no-op"

It only exists so that the entity will actually spawn, but it doesn't have any functionality

[blissful lion]

if you made a func_breakable as a point entity, could it still be destroyed by a crossbow?

if it is destroyed by explosions but not crossbow, you could use it as explosion only destructible environment

[gritty forge]

any chance we're getting more light functionality and that door pathfinding thing fixed?

[ancient depot]

The door thing will be fixed yeah

There's a bunch of lighting features planned but I dunno how when they'll be coming

Light styles is a big one, but it's really complicated to do properly

[crimson patrol]

Any Func_train stuff?

Funky train

[mild juniper]

id settle for func plat * _ *

[ancient depot]

we have func_plat

David implemented that one so Quake maps played better

[mild juniper]

;o

Sick

I read that it wasn't functional

awesome, cheers for the heads up

[ancient depot]

nah func_plat works fine

[mild juniper]

sick

but the navmesh thing is still affected by func_plat yeah?

[ancient depot]

yeah

[mild juniper]

cant just make doors with plat ?

kk cool

[ancient depot]

basically Unity doesn't have support for navmeshes with moving platforms

so we need to come up with our own solution

[mild juniper]

Interesting, sounds like that would be a common issue, I'm surprised it hasn't been addressed at the engine level before

[ancient depot]

That's a running theme with this engine lol

[honest stag]

Wait what

We have func_plat?

Since when wtf

[gritty forge]

what

vriska

do you have dementia

are you feeling OK

i thought this was known

you said you preferred func_door and we've been using quake.fgd for so long

[ancient depot]

We've had plat since almost the very beginning

If it wasn't there day one it was one of the first patches

[honest stag]

Jeez

Well good to know

No clue why i thought it didn't work

Probably because nobody used it ever

[mild juniper]

I see on duskmods page that there's been a few map jams

are there any regular ones or any planned or anything?

[honest stag]

We've had several but rn people arent as eager to participate as they used to

Amd people domt play custom maps much these days lol

It wont be an issue when workshop rolls arpund im sure

[alpine depot]

money and/or prizes would be good incentives to join the jams but I'm pretty sure everyone here is broke so yeah lol

[honest stag]

I don't think its a great idea to make it a competition

Or have a monetary incentive

[alpine depot]

mm yeah

maybe the Update™️ will be the saving grace

[honest stag]

Just workshop would be enough for a big surge of ppl

[gritty forge]

christmas (allegedly) ((hypothetically))

[alpine depot]

I've waited long enough for a new half life game so I can wait another eon for a game update lol

[honest stag]

I've waited long enough for a new stalker game so I can wait another eon for a game update lol

[alpine depot]

pfft lmao

[mild juniper]

https://quakewiki.org/wiki/TexMex

[crisp raven]

If I gotta pay people to make maps then we're already lost. ||also I'm extremely cheap >_>||

[mild juniper]

posting this here in case theres anyone not using texmex to open their wad files

[honest stag]

i.e me

[crisp raven]

I'm out here still going strong with makewad the Crustiest Program on Earth

[mild juniper]

can open multiple wads in multiple windows and copy across easy as pie

ive got windows set to open wads with tex and it works mint

https://quakewiki.org/wiki/TexMex

oh i posted link already

welp

[ancient depot]

At some point we should throw together some more modern GUI tools for this stuff

With proper PNG support, palette generation, etc

[alpine depot]

I just use makewad and that works fine lol

[ancient depot]

MakeWad "works" but isn't customizable enough

[muted glacier]

Its been a long ass time since I looked at this old map, but this was an early concept for an exploding barrel idea I had. Hopefully one day I will return and finish the map.

shit. too big for discord. give me a sec

https://imgur.com/gallery/HVG39ur

[honest stag]

remind me how you did those blinking eyes lol

[gritty forge]

i know its probably the same thing what people do for ''switching'' button textures

but how did u get it to repeat?

[muted glacier]

invisible triggers that you walk through on the floor set to delays so that its consistent. if you stand still after about 3 or 4 seconds it stops blinking if i remember correctly

[honest stag]

oh right

[gritty forge]

damn

clever

[muted glacier]

I learned alot from this map, got burned out, and then never finished it. I fatigued myself learning all the weird tricks that I find pretty easy to use now

Im looking at all my projects right now. Unreal 4 and Trenchbroom. Ive definitely improved in the past year

This Eldritch creature that I never made a map around.

[honest stag]

sirenhead's younger brother

[gritty forge]

traffic light cranium

@mild juniper recommended read for making curves with brushes in trenchbroom
https://www.quakewiki.net/curves-for-quake-tips-and-tricks/

if you haven't seen it before

[mild juniper]

woah, I actually needed to find something like this soon

cheers dude, bookmarked

starting on texturing finally wooo

[honest stag]

speakin of textures

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/464535987993706518/466303305132408844/tex45.gif

curves are always tricky to texture, so this might help

[gritty forge]

bal is a curve wizard

[honest stag]

especially considering how many arch and trim textures we're using to use in the egypt maps

[gritty forge]

the what

[honest stag]

it's tricky to texture arches right, but it's worth it

[muted glacier]

so heres something for you guys to look at. The map that I had that tnt barrel section on, that never got finished. Excuse all the shit floating in the sky off in the distance. in a decade whenever its finished, ill clean up the sky. practically no lighting whatsoever, and I forgot my mic was on so If you crank your volume you can hear me hammer my keys. Ambitious for a first map, but I had such big plans for it.

https://youtu.be/iARB4amphrs

and your arches are so damn sexy. and your bricks

[honest stag]

i luv bricks

maaan this reminds me of the mashedpotato map

so cool

i know the feel of having a great concept but never finishing the map

i have one huge map i've spent over a month on and never finished it

it took so long to compile light on it that i just gave up

[crisp raven]

Vriska goodies folder when?

[honest stag]

and i had no feel of gameplay for it

i could honestly just shove all my dead maps in a .zip tbh

none are really playable gameplay-wise

i would have released like 4-5 maps in the past year if i didnt get stuck on these huge concepts

[crisp raven]

Is it better to spend time on a map only to decide it's terrible and never release it? Or is it better to release the map and have the thought that people can play it at any time haunt you forever?

These are the big questions

[honest stag]

1, that's why i delisted bunker

[crisp raven]

That's why I downloaded a copy for safe keeping

[muted glacier]

Before I got into trenchbroom, I was working on a remake of Nacht der untoten in Unreal Engine 4, but it was right around the time that Unreal 5 was announced, so I shelved it because I was waiting for a stable release of UE5. I played DUSK and got super invested and decided to start mapping while waiting for UE5..... I havent touched the project in over a year, especially since I decided to AGAIN remake nacht der untoten in TB, so I just have these beautiful screenshots from in-game that look better than anything activision is putting out these days.

[honest stag]

put them in general moddingf

im interested

[gritty forge]

use layers

you can omit certain parts of the map with layers so that you don't need to bother compiling them again

[gritty forge]

still gotta get this fixed up

animations are janky and stuff still

[alpine depot]

oh thats sick

he looks like he's named barry

barry the barrel-man

[gritty forge]

then there's this absolute abomination

also mega janky animations

and here's the custom weapon I worked on

uv mapping on the blade is also shit

lol

[honest stag]

i love this guy

[gritty forge]

its HUGE

I'm intending on making him at least twice as tall as the player or so

like a cowgirl roughly

[honest stag]

daaamn sick

[gritty forge]

then there's this

[honest stag]

crazy how you go so far in just what, 4 months?

[gritty forge]

I use blender in school too so that helps

[honest stag]

ooooh that makes sense

i was wondering how you got the hang of living creature/humanoid shapes so fast

[honest stag]

i'm still struggling bad with them

[gritty forge]

anims suck

uhhh

idk I just do things

lol

[honest stag]

practice makes perfect huh

[gritty forge]

yeah just use a lot of edge and vertex tool

mirror modifier helps

[honest stag]

i do use mirror modifier since i was a little baby

but i guess living things just arent for me

i've been making guns and shit

[gritty forge]

forgot I made this

lol

[honest stag]

it's hard to make neat meshes

ooooh nice

[crisp raven]

Is that cannon 👁️

[gritty forge]

haven't used blender much last 1-2 months

[gritty forge]

actually yes

[crisp raven]

👁️

[honest stag]

i still have my dusk gun replacement pack laying around

just sitting there with nothing to do

[gritty forge]

thats cool

I was thinking crimson cesspool should end with two paths that each lead to two different levels

[honest stag]

god i cant wait to use my pipe crossbow thing

[gritty forge]

E2M4a and E2M4b

[honest stag]

i'm fucking ITCHING to do it

[gritty forge]

I get half life vibes

and tf2 in dusk vibes

[honest stag]

it was inspired by some half life 2 concept art yea

[gritty forge]

also aliean isolation flamethrower

[honest stag]

i wish i could dive back into blender and mapping and all that stuff
damn uni :(

[gritty forge]

same im pretty busy

[honest stag]

but man your models are super cool

cant wait to see your progress in like a year

shit will slap

[gritty forge]

once the new SDK build comes

Im gonna go nuts

[honest stag]

.wad

[gritty forge]

if I get particles and fog

and also localized audio and stuff

so when doors open by buttons they make noise like in vanilla

[honest stag]

sound effects on doors

god

[steep remnant]

The possibilities

[honest stag]

moody slow elevators with chains and mechanisms audible

[gritty forge]

and hopefully we can get properly lightmapped objects like forklifts and sinks

idk how but

it would be so sick

[honest stag]

that would be asking too much imo
it's would be WONDERFUL, but damn

sounds like a big endeavour

[gritty forge]

I just never find the objects to really fit any lighting

since they just have a colour overlay basically

in green lit rooms they become neon green lol

[honest stag]

i guess they fit in a dark room with no baked lighting

or with dynamic lights from dusk

[gritty forge]

ye

speaking of which:

light styles

and dynamic lights

[honest stag]

dynamic lights? more like help my laptop is on fire

[gritty forge]

no like

static but dynamic

like

flickering lamps

[honest stag]

ah got it

[gritty forge]

and also it would only be bad for performance if the engine isn't made to support non baked lighting (I think) but I think the SDK has its own engine right?

idk if it supports it though

[honest stag]

flickering lamps would still be baked lighting

[gritty forge]

I remember I wanted the power switch inside the factory at the end of cannibal ridge to turn the lights off

and I tried to make it so you teleport to a new version of the room without lights

[honest stag]

teleport the player to the identical, but dark version of the map

[gritty forge]

but it was so jank

[honest stag]

ez

fuck

lmao

[gritty forge]

and didnt work cause I had to use parenting and it comepletely broke a bunch of stuff

• you can't really make it seamless because you'll see how you get teleported

since your position in the new room is predefined by the info player teleport destination thingie

[honest stag]

put the player in a fully dark room first, then drop them out after a second in the new map?

or new room rather

so like going through the warp or smth

[gritty forge]

its supposed to turn the lights off tho

not on

ohh

wait I see what you mean

like a "loading" room

[honest stag]

yea yea i mean
player stands in the room with lights, flips switch

gets sent to a void

then out into the room with lights off

yea

[gritty forge]

thats a good idea

problem with the thing was that once you activated the switch the teleport region became permanently active

so if you walk near the switch inside the original factory it will teleport you again

[honest stag]

but how would you get to the original factory?

[gritty forge]

well idk

[honest stag]

i wonder if you can parent telepor triggers lol

probably not

[gritty forge]

I think the lights were supposed to turn on too

cant remember

or maybe I just didnt think about that

I tried to parent the tp triggers

didnt work as far as I remember

at least not as intended

[honest stag]

i'll try a little test map rn, see if i can make it

just really curious

[gritty forge]

I also wanna play around with the idea of adding little "cutscenes" where the player gets teleported to a location to see what happens when they flick a switch or something

and then get tp:ed back

[honest stag]

shame we dont have camera control orstuff like that yet

[gritty forge]

yeah but if you make the player face the switch in the same direction that the focus point is then it works

they can still look around freely but

[honest stag]

which makes it weird

sadly

[gritty forge]

how

[honest stag]

just if you stand there and walk around with your gun out seeing a door open

and sent back

[gritty forge]

no it would be an invis box

clip box

[honest stag]

still, i'd be a little confused

for a second

[gritty forge]

Nice work, Vriska!

[honest stag]

oh thanks

[gritty forge]

I know I could make it work but it has to be done in a good area thats spacey

[gritty forge]

I really dig your modelling skills, as they do fit in Dusk's style

[honest stag]

thanks

they're definetly a bit rusty by this point

holy fuck

i parented a teleport trigger

it works

i thought triggers didnt work with parenting

that's absolutely crazy

oh, but trigger_hurt doesnt work

that's why i thought they didnt work as a whole

wait, now it does

i'm confused, but excited

holy fuck that opens up so many possibilities

[alpine depot]

mannn that pipe crossbow still kicks ass

[honest stag]

i updated my iceberg

new (nah) and improved (debatable)

[ancient depot]

Missing the most important: A1M6

[honest stag]

one day you guys will actually show it

besides this

[ancient depot]

Or the ghostly remnants of A1M5

[honest stag]

it's like a dismembered map

[ancient depot]

Also iirc there's an intact beta map in retail out of bounds

E2M10 I think?

[honest stag]

bruh what

imma check

[ancient depot]

I might be misremembering but there's SOMETHING like that

[honest stag]

i havent really went oob in base maps tbh
well outside of what's possible in-game sometimes

time to put the nbclip to use finally

actually i remember finding a ton of monster closets and a random door beneath e2m1

found it

[ancient depot]

Yeah all the lighting is gone from it

[honest stag]

there's also an end level trigger just floating around

[ancient depot]

Some real GTA San Andreas hidden interior universe shit

[honest stag]

i gotta ask

whenever i was flying around the maps i kept finding these out of bounds half-doors on basically every map

wtf are these for

[ancient depot]

Triggers

[honest stag]

oh shit really? huh

[ancient depot]

And timers

[honest stag]

wtf is this texture

[ancient depot]

I think there might also be an unused room or two in other maps

Probably episode 3

[honest stag]

im gonna go fly around all of them lol

i want to see all the oob stuff

[ancient depot]

I don't know if those rooms are actually enabled though, they exist but are invisible

Some of the beta builds we just released have like entire areas like that

One of those areas is the map from the First Look at Dusk video

Could probably mess around with enabling them if you use the Runtime Unity Inspector thing

[honest stag]

oh, like the entity "layer" of that room is disabled?

[ancient depot]

https://github.com/ManlyMarco/RuntimeUnityEditor

Yeah kinda

Basically the objects are set to disabled

So you can find them in the map with that and re enable them

[honest stag]

that actually sounds really cool
any specific levels you know for sure have that stuff?

[ancient depot]

Maybe Blasphemy?

I don't remember much else

[honest stag]

peellar

[ancient depot]

Probably a remnant from an earlier iteration of the map

We have the entire development history of episodes 2 and 3 so we could probably do a deep dive one day

[honest stag]

i love all these random bits and pieces floating around, very relatable stuff
like a big asset that's used several times is just sitting there to be copy-pasted

[ancient depot]

Episode 2 is real interesting because David had a bunch of maps and basically scrapped them because he didn't like how they turned out

The final maps are way better but the existence of the scrapped ones is really interesting