dusk-modding

[alpine depot]

recreate the library and laugh at everyones misery

sounds tempting but im not a masochist so ill leave that to somebody else

[honest stag]

hey it's not like it's hard

u make 1 section and then just copypaste it

[blissful lion]

are u fucking kidding me

why the fuck does it spawn in the room above this

[honest stag]

congratulations

you're part of the "why does fuck does x spawn above the room i need it to spawn in" club

a.k.a 80% of mappers

no real specific way to fix that, just try making the teleport bigger and sealing the map

or remaking a monster closet from scratch

Or put it in a place that doesn't hace a roof

[alpine depot]

a whole arena monster closet broke on my map once cuz I never sealed the map so they all spawned on the roof for some odd reason

took me a couple days to figure that out

[honest stag]

sealing maps in general is good practice

[blissful lion]

i placed it up the way on top of the map and it still spawned in the same place

then i place the teleporter out of the literal monster closet and it worked?

[honest stag]

if you dont want to seal the map - try just putting the monster closet on a platform somewhere in the void

again, no roof

also may be stupid but

i once fixed that by raising the teleport off the floor

[blissful lion]

?

nope, doesnt work, she doesnt get her closet

[ancient depot]

Even the main game suffers from this problem a bit, it's because of how the navmesh is generated

[blissful lion]

also kinda a weird bug

so i have the horror in the map, and first time you load it (after launching the game) he makes idle noises, but when loading the map every other time, he just makes that idle noise once right after player spawning in, then goes silent till alerted

[honest stag]

Try making a sealed map

Amd sealed monster closets

[blissful lion]

he is in a sealed teleporter box

[honest stag]

That wont cut it since there are entities outside iirc

[crimson patrol]

Gonna download all your maps and unseal them

[blissful lion]

any tips on enemy encounters?

[honest stag]

if i see a single cowgirl enemy i will rate the map 0

just saying

[blissful lion]

based

im not gonna use e2 enemies

cuz magic/horror vibe

[honest stag]

basado

i assume wendigos will be present tho

[blissful lion]

yeah

wanna see waht i have now?

[honest stag]

shore

[blissful lion]

maybe a little unbalanced

the gate is opened at the start for now, just jump down the stairs

but land on the lower stairs, not void

[honest stag]

i'll give it a shot when i can

[blissful lion]

thanks

[crimson patrol]

Why don't you like cowgirls

[blissful lion]

they just spam rockets

[honest stag]

too much damage, too spongy (fixable, but a lot of the time people who use them dont lower their hp), hard to tell them apart from background sometimes, too thin to hit

or to hit consistently i guess

welders are a way better enemy imo

[crimson patrol]

What if you just use mamas with lower health

They aren't as thin

A bit more meat on the bone

[honest stag]

still doesnt solve the problem of them dealing way too much damage for no reason

and then you'd have to deal with the bossnames appearing each time u use one

[crimson patrol]

Oh yea true

What other enemies are a no go

[blissful lion]

any other boss imo

[honest stag]

that's really the only one i actively dislike tbh
bosses are mostly fine but the intoxigator can be a pain in the ass

[blissful lion]

except jakob and big john, if you place them correctly

[honest stag]

jakob is unkillable rn so that's a bust

[crimson patrol]

Do any custom maps have intoxigator

[honest stag]

i think a couple did

dont remember tho

fork maidens are a bit too bulky as well imo

[blissful lion]

intoxigator is a really dumb enemy, the guardian spams grenades too much

[honest stag]

looks at basically every map that uses a boss, including my own

yea guardian sucks haha

[blissful lion]

the experimetns spam too, but you can kinda perform a dance with them

[honest stag]

if i can rememeber right
i used the guardian twice, big rat twice, experiment once

and big john once

but there were 3 big johns at once

with low hp

[blissful lion]

im thinking of having a custom boss

like a big thing in the middle that you shoot

[honest stag]

ah, like a sequence boss thing?

[blissful lion]

and there would be other enemies

can you move those fireball shooters?

like using parenting?

[honest stag]

maybe, havent tried it but likely possible

[blissful lion]

do func_train work?

[honest stag]

nope

[blissful lion]

k

it can still go back and forth as a door with some delays prolly

[muted glacier]

Fiteball shooters can be moved with parenting but cant be toggled on and off

[blissful lion]

eh no problem

you could prolly hide them

[honest stag]

they're gonna make an annoying sound tho lol

so be ready

[muted glacier]

Also for further future reference, entities cant trigger anything for you, unless you have it set to trigger something off their deatg

I have fireball launchers on a map of mine that move during one specific part, and I have them parented to a door WAY out of the map, so when you trigger the room, they basically teleport in and start shooting

Theyre far af out so you dont need to hear them

[blissful lion]

secret doors work?

[honest stag]

they do yea but there's not much point to them rn

[muted glacier]

Secret doors how? Doors that trigger the "secret found" message or doors that have thr crack and break? Or something different that im dumb and dont know?

[blissful lion]

func_doorsecret or something

[honest stag]

in quake when a door is locked by something it says "this door opens elsewhere"

so if you want a secret wall that opens with a button but don't want the player to see that message, you put it as a a secret door

but in dusk they dont show that message anyway iirc

[blissful lion]

dont secret doors have 2 axis they move on too?

[honest stag]

so there isnt much use for that yet

wdym

[blissful lion]

like it goes back and then left

like its part of the wall, then it moves back and opens

[honest stag]

oh yea you're right they do do that in quake
i havent tried if they replicate that tho

no one used it ever iirc

[haughty slate]

morning

can I put custom music in my mappi

[haughty slate]

what's the format and bitrate etc

[honest stag]

yea you can

[haughty slate]

ah I see, asian

[honest stag]

russian to be exact, anyway about music

[haughty slate]

My condolences

[honest stag]

you can set music in the maps from the start and change it with trigger_changemusic
format is .ogg, .flac, .wav

i use .ogg personally

[haughty slate]

any bitrate and frequency works?

[honest stag]

cant tell you anything there

[haughty slate]

usually do you just put

any music file

and it works?

[honest stag]

yea, this is what you need on worldspawn for it to work

this "music" folder is relative to your root mod folder

so
local\mycoolmod\music\whatever

[haughty slate]

thanks as always Vriska

you're doing gods work

you're a gentleman and scholar

[honest stag]

also i just realised i fucked up the slash in that

needs to be \

[haughty slate]

:0

[honest stag]

there is already a bunch of dusk music present, and you can use any of it

[haughty slate]

See I helped you

[honest stag]

it's in the folders for mods

[haughty slate]

well

[honest stag]

in the dusk folder

[haughty slate]

you saw the look of my map

so I need something that fits

im putting this on:

https://youtu.be/gDIccWzH4NY

sorry

im ruining dusk

xD

[honest stag]

lol

[blissful lion]

ok imma go buy quake

meanwhile, you have to play my map 🔫

[haughty slate]

what's the name atomas

[blissful lion]

im mean playtest this

[honest stag]

i was actually right about to

i liked the literal monster closet lol

so about this encounter

it suffers from the age-old door problem
simply put i can take shots at things that can't touch me from this hallway

if you were dropped into this arena somehow it would be better
or if the enemies could actually follow you into the hallway

[blissful lion]

idk i could maybe close the door behind you?

[honest stag]

yea but i can see the enemies before i even go in

maybe a small little stone "ramp" for them to actually follow you?

[blissful lion]

to where?

[honest stag]

into the hallway

[blissful lion]

yeah so theres this door bug

[honest stag]

oh yea i forgot about it

there are 2 ways to go around it

first is removing the door lol
like making it broken or smth
second is the "starts open" trick

wait

that doesnt doesnt open in the first place

what door bug do you mean?

[blissful lion]

that enemies dont want to walk where there was a door before

[honest stag]

so you wanted to make that a proper door but didnt because of the bug?

or what

[blissful lion]

nah i just didnt think about it

[haughty slate]

I think I was right the music doesn't work, and im assuming it's because of bitrate or some other audio mumbo jumbo

[blissful lion]

i could place the enemies differently so they kinda attack you from the sides

[honest stag]

anyway here's what i mean

this but with like rocks or rubble

because they cant cross that ledge

too high for them

[blissful lion]

ah

or clip

[honest stag]

can you send the file?

i'll try using it in a test map, see if it works

[honest stag]

yea or clip even better

[haughty slate]

maybe it's too long

[honest stag]

can't be

[haughty slate]

I wrote music\uwu.ogg in trenchboom

is that correct

under the music thingy

[honest stag]

should be

can u send the file you're using?

[haughty slate]

I need to include music\ ?

yes I'll try

it's big tho

[honest stag]

this server is boosted to shit so it should fit

[haughty slate]

great

it's royalty free music

no copyright

I could trim it to be shorter

if that's the issue

[honest stag]

i'll se if it works in a moment

it works

see for yourself

actually why would u need the bsp

oops

try the other slash symbol?

maybe i was actually right the first time about it

since it works here

[haughty slate]

upload it

xD

jk

[honest stag]

did u get the music working btw

[haughty slate]

yes sir

it was the slash

[honest stag]

nice

[haughty slate]

I think im done with that map

A lot of people in the community are into quality

I'll provide some quantity

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[haughty slate]

huge issue fams

Am I the only one having keys not spawning in game?

[crisp raven]

They're probably spawning below the floor. Make sure they aren't floating above the ground. Delete and replace them just to be safe

[haughty slate]

thanks a bunch

[sharp nest]

any guides out there that are like dusk only?

also any idea if u can make enemies spawn in?

[blissful lion]

you can place them somewhere else and then teleport them in

[sharp nest]

yeah trying that out

[crimson patrol]

unrelated to what im making but i drew a heightmap and used it to make this shoddy mountain

made a smoother one

[crisp raven]

Reminds me of the planets from the first Mass Effect

[crimson patrol]

holy shit this is intimidating

dude this is awesome

[crisp raven]

What tool did you use?

[crimson patrol]

nems tools

this

[crimson patrol]

i wanted to make a yt vid showing off the gameplay but the video file is 1 fucking gb

[crimson patrol]

added some enemies and stuff that makes the map interesting, have a try the gameplay is quite unique

its a bit laggy at the start though so be warned

[honest stag]

u like big things huh

[muted glacier]

I used the terrain generator a few days ago, but holy shit the amount of triangles.

[vast palm]

I don't know if Nem's terrain generator has an option for that, but it's always for the best to apply textures only on brush faces that will be seen by the player

The rest of them should be null or skip

Or whatever texture your compiler is programmed to ignore

Considering Dusk SDK does not do visibility culling yet, that's a very necessary optimization for the terrain

[muted glacier]

Hey, its still dope, and I ended up adding skip textures to all the other faces. Glad you linked it here.

[honest stag]

Manually?

To all of that?

[crimson patrol]

It's not that hard

Get a brush with a skip texture, select the texture, hold alt and m1

[honest stag]

Yeah but thats still a very large amount of brushes

I guess its a matter of time tho

[crimson patrol]

It is worth it I think

[honest stag]

For sure

[crimson patrol]

Do you have to skip texture the faces between brushes too, I'm guessing those get cut out when you compile

[honest stag]

I was just thinking bout that

I had to do that with mine but i'm assuming that's because i fucked uo a bit

[crimson patrol]

The faces in-between would be a major pain in the ass to skip texture

[wise quartz]

Is there any place i can check out these fan made mods?

[crisp raven]

https://dusk.mod.io/

[wise quartz]

Hey, thanks a lot

[muted glacier]

So, this quesrion is dumb as shit, but is there a way to have 2 skyboxes? Like the player starts with the nighttime skybox but teleports to a different area and have the skybox change to a different one? Is there some worldspawn magic I can work to achieve this or no?

[long anchor]

i don't think that's possible

[ancient depot]

There should be a trigger_changesky

Guess not though, I could've sworn that was implemented

[muted glacier]

Hm. Im not home so I cant see if that exists right now

But thank you.

[crimson patrol]

raw terrain for map

[haughty slate]

play my maps! :d

[honest stag]

Bro if that was a thing i would have abused it to shit

Oops ping

[ancient depot]

pinging me is always allowed

otherwise I miss messages

I guess I mandela effect'd myself

since I swear I remember implementing it

[honest stag]

Allowed but i do feel bad when its accidental about about som minor like that

Is it in the new update?

[ancient depot]

yeah

[honest stag]

i've also been wonderin

did you change the folder structure in the next upd8

do i have to back up my stuff before it just in case lol

[ancient depot]

you mean moving from SDK -> root

that hasn't been done yet but we probably will

[honest stag]

ah aight

[muted glacier]

Did NOT have to crucify him like that

[muted glacier]

So, i know I can for boss enemies, but can I edit the health of regular enemies?

[alpine depot]

yep

can make a single soldier have nigh infinite health if you wanted lol

[crimson patrol]

Was it one of toriis maps that had a rat with an insane amount of health

[crisp raven]

Nah that was Skade's unreleased joke version of Black Industrial Misery

[crimson patrol]

Rat industrial misery

[honest stag]

Cradius

Or craidus

The guy never made any more iirc cuz everyone hated it

Ecen tho he purposefully made it super hard

[crisp raven]

The #1 mistake every new mapper makes

Make the maps way too fucking hard

😔

[honest stag]

Should be drip goku in textures

[gritty forge]

Missing pixels

[honest stag]

whitenames were forbidden from texting here for a while it seems

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/240195284695646209/911994907583991808/852166984765407242.gif

hows everyones maps goin

[crimson patrol]

Made terrain, currently adding stuff

[blissful lion]

mine is bad

[muted glacier]

Well, I have a notebook at work that I write in every time I get a minute, and my map has about 3 pages worth of stuff that I have to implement still, so its going good, but has a long way til its done. Getting all the holiday stuff out of the way now, so ill have the whole weekend hopefully ti work in the map.

[alpine depot]

i never plan out my maps

if anything i just plan out some arenas or more intricate parts here and therer

otherwise i just totally wing it

[muted glacier]

I couldnt do that because im not an arbiter of chaos i have to intricately plan everything and if something doesnt want to work, I figure out how to MAKE it work

[hoary plaza]

hi, what's the program u use for make dusk mods

[tranquil mulch]

You can probably find the answer you want and the future questions you haven't ask yet.... in the pins.

[honest stag]

depends on what kind of mod do you want to make

do you mean custom levels?

[hoary plaza]

yes

i only wanto make maps

[honest stag]

in that case, it's trenchbroom

a quake mapping tool

well, you can actually use something like hammer or J.A.C.K too if you're comfortable with them

but trenchbroom is the officially supported tool

[hoary plaza]

ok thanks

[honest stag]

if you want to get the general hang of it, i suggest dumptruck_ds on youtube
he describes mapping for quake but we're basically doing the same thing

there's also plenty of info in the pinned messages on how to set it up and stuff

[hoary plaza]

thanks

[sharp nest]

so is there any way to make the nyarlathoth...???? the narator voice say something in game with like trenchbroom or i gotta use custom music?

[crisp raven]

Uhhh rn we can only set music to loop (trigger_changemusic). So you can have Nyarlathotep say the same line over and over again like it's a sample in some house music 😁 ✌️

But you can't have a voice line play once

[sharp nest]

nice

[crisp raven]

You might be able to rig a super hacky way of doing it but I'm really not sure about that

[sharp nest]

also any "the fall broke your flashlight trigger?

[crisp raven]

No

[sharp nest]

but there is a flashlight pickup

so like, man theres so much missing ahhhhHHHHH

[crisp raven]

Just be glad we aren't living in the piss sky era

Or the no music era

[sharp nest]

heh i guess your right

also is there any complete wad for this game

like, EVERY texture? Sparks, door colour indicators etc?

[crisp raven]

The door indicators aren't part of any wad. I made this wad for door indicators. The blue in off, possibly due to the quake palette not having the right shade.

There IS a wad with all the dusk textures but I don't have it on me rn

[sharp nest]

thx a lot

cool il keep looking

[crisp raven]

Some of the older maps might have the wad included

[muted glacier]

Oh curse you Dave. I bought another goddamn poster today.

[sharp nest]

any way to make coloured lights?

[honest stag]

Yea

Add a _color property to your light and click it (or the parameter line)

There should be a color picker below

After you've compiled your map, alongside the .bsp in the working folder you'll find a .lit file

It needs to go in the mod folder with the .bsp

[sharp nest]

huh

cool thanks ❤️

[blissful lion]

imagine not setting the compiler to automatically put those files in the mod folder

[honest stag]

My outdatwd version of the gui doesn't work with that lol

2 lazy 2 update

[honest stag]

probably should

i've seen the new gui window and was a bit stunned with how much more shit there is

[crisp raven]

The one built-in to Trenchbroom?

[honest stag]

nah old ass version of necro's

[crisp raven]

There are newer versions?

[honest stag]

fellow neanderthal

[crisp raven]

Everyone knows the Neanderthals had bigger brains 😉

[honest stag]

here's mine right

and uh

yea

just a lot more convenient

[crisp raven]

But does the output folder field actually work 🙏 👀

[honest stag]

i sure do hope so

imma try it out

[crisp raven]

Report back what you find soldier

[honest stag]

wait what

it's the same lol

[crisp raven]

😀

Im guess that one in the above pic just had a lot of arguments added

Like by hand

Y'know what I mean?

[honest stag]

hm let me try smth real quick

i tried adding new ones to the config file and it didnt work

oh

i just did

i guess it's that easy lol

well now my settings are gone

[cerulean bluff]

Is it possible to create a chain-whip weapon mod?

Just a rando question

[honest stag]

not yet

[cerulean bluff]

I don't do modding, ever, but I had this amazing idea to make a Castlevania mod for Dusk. Like Simon's Destiny with DOOM

[honest stag]

but you can probably make the model and animations for it beforehand and use it when custom models are supported

you can currently replace enemy models, make custom levels, add custom sounds/music

and textures

[cerulean bluff]

If- lets say I wanted to start out. What would be simple?

I need a project for the month, I'll go crazy if I'm not fiddling with something

[honest stag]

then custom levels is the way to go imo

easy to do, infinite possibilities

[cerulean bluff]

Shweet, I suppose I'll do something like that. that mod-io site has a tutorial for level making right?

[honest stag]

and the learning curve is infinite too lol

[cerulean bluff]

[honest stag]

there is a guide pinned on how to start out, but a lot of things go wrong usually for different reasons so dont worry about asking stuff here

[cerulean bluff]

Alright, guess the best way to learn is to hop in and pray

wish me luck!

[honest stag]

basically we're using a quake mapping tool to make levels, so it may be not very intuitive at first
but the editor is so good and easy to use itself that's it's worth the hassle of setup

[cerulean bluff]

Ooh, "Trenchboom" right? I saw a vid on that a few months back.

[honest stag]

yea, trenchbroom

[cerulean bluff]

I'll fiddle with it this week and see what I come up with

[honest stag]

aight good luck

[cerulean bluff]

fanks!

[muted glacier]

Another Cult Member has joined the Mod Basement! Good luck on your journey Cranberry

[gritty forge]

I need help

I'm stuck outside the map

[honest stag]

type nbclip

like a doom cheat

[gritty forge]

Where

[honest stag]

straight up in game, like doom

[gritty forge]

I never played doom

[honest stag]

well just press N B C L I P while in game

then again to turn it off

[gritty forge]

What key button

[honest stag]

that's the cheat combination

you press that in sequence

then when you get back into the map press it again in sequence

[gritty forge]

I see u want to help me but I dont get it

[ebon bridge]

press n, b, c, l, i, p buttons on your keyboard

[gritty forge]

I just did nothing happened

[honest stag]

it gives you flight through walls

[gritty forge]

I'm playing single player btw

[honest stag]

are you on the moddable build or the original?

[gritty forge]

Original

[honest stag]

im not sure if they have the noclip cheat in the OG, which map are you stuck on?

[gritty forge]

Dont know the name but I can send a picture

If I had access

[honest stag]

press tab

it should show the map name in the corner

[gritty forge]

GHOST TOWN

[honest stag]

guessing you jumped over the wall?

[gritty forge]

Ye kinda there is like lava square

[honest stag]

try going into it

[gritty forge]

I cant jump that high

[honest stag]

if you walk around the buildings there should be a big pink texture "you're not supposed to be here" and a teleporter

[gritty forge]

Oww

[honest stag]

go into the alley between the grey and the red building

[gritty forge]

Didn't see that

[honest stag]

there ya go

[gritty forge]

How did I not see that

Is these big texts at ever map?

[honest stag]

i can name like 3-4

not every tho

[gritty forge]

I found one at first lvl at accident

Good to be back

Thanks for help

[honest stag]

np, but you should probably ask #dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk next time lol since this is the modding channel

[gritty forge]

I did kill enemies trough walls

[honest stag]

more people check that place

[gritty forge]

Oh oke

Thanks

[sharp nest]

any way to make an enemys hp pop up on screen like a boss battle thingy?

[honest stag]

Give them a "bossname" property

And the value is the name that pops up obviously

[sharp nest]

thx as always

[blissful lion]

can you make them smaller/bigger too?

[sharp nest]

how do scarecrow posts work???

[sharp nest]

i cant get them to spawn

[crisp raven]

You can't spawn them

[cerulean bluff]

Thank you!!

[sharp nest]

is duskmare considered deathmatch or are there anyway to change spawns for just duskmare?

[ancient depot]

duskmare uses hard spawns

same as the main campaign

[blissful lion]

wait the item spawns are different on the difficulties in main campaign?

[crisp raven]

Duskmare = nightmare

If you're talking about the spawnflags in TB

[sharp nest]

yup

spawnflags

soo wich one is nightmare?

bit confused seems it only goes up to hard

[crisp raven]

Oh they didn't include it in the FGD (be sure to yell at Vriska and Veven)

One sec

hmmmmm

I guess I was remembering wrong

It seems there isn't a spawnflag for nightmare even in the quake preset

Vriska and Veven are great guys 😀 👍

[coral gate]

Hello! Me and a friend just got into dusk

Has anyone modded the campaign to be coop yet?

Im not familiar with how moddable the game is yet

Google gave me 2019 news that there will be coop at some point

[crisp raven]

It is not possible to do so.

The game is not very moddable yet

[crimson patrol]

was gonna use this dead tree i drew but the transparency color mixes with the semi opaque pixels, which is really annoying

[honest stag]

Pixel art time

[gritty forge]

@honest stag

[sharp nest]

soo, what does the lava suit actualy do??

[blissful lion]

you can now walk on lava

[crisp raven]

Im pretty sure it does nothing in the SDK

[sharp nest]

yup very cool, i see literaly no use for it as far as im aware but il dabble in a bit of testing just to make sure

[vast palm]

Can't you add lava triggers?

Or doesn't the lava texture damage the player in any way?

Maybe you need some sort of trigger_damage entity for that, but I can't say anything without a dev confirming that

[crimson patrol]

hmm, maybe the lava suit could be made functional if you had a trigger where the suit is that makes a bunch of parented trigger_hurt s move under the map for the lava suit duration

the suit itself is a placebo but it gives the feeling of wearing it

[crisp raven]

There IS a trigger_hurt already in TB but the lava suit has no effect on it.

[honest stag]

Acid pool protection

[honest stag]

Object_anomaly i mean

[honest stag]

Also what's up y ping

[sharp nest]

im on day 2 / 100 of fixing lighting for 7 hours straight

any tips?

[honest stag]

In what way is your lighting broken

If you just want general advice

Bounce lighting is based and improves the look if your map 90% if the time

You don't need a lot of lights to light up a big area, just use delay/wait properties to adjust light distance and dissipation

Outside areas are easily perfectly lit with sunlight + ambient light

You can control the shadows by literally using light sources as lighbulbs in a projector

If you want additional info about any of these or something else - ask away

@sharp nest

[sharp nest]

k this is helpfull

[honest stag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695656141006569591/696751724928434196/light_chart_01.png

Heres a reference image on delay/wait

But i'd recommend watching dumptruck_ds on this first

Just so you have a clearer picture about this stuff

[sharp nest]

il go ahead and watch that

"you dont want a map too dark"

every dusk developer ever:

doubt

[honest stag]

We got flashlights

[sharp nest]

the fall broke your flashlight

[blissful lion]

what kind of windows should i have?

[crisp raven]

The left one

[blissful lion]

yeah i feel it fits more

do they actually look in place

i was not thinking about them but buildings usually have windows

[crisp raven]

Yeah it looks in place

[blissful lion]

thanks

[gritty forge]

I prefer right ones, fits the tiles better imo

[crude reef]

Imo right ones for anything over the ground floor

but the left for ground floor windows

[honest stag]

i'm late but

regardless of your choice some frames would be great

[blissful lion]

what do you mean

[honest stag]

well like window frames made out of brushes

[blissful lion]

the brushes are currently on the wal and not in it

[honest stag]

just so they have a little bit of depth

and dont look like a flat tex on the wall

[blissful lion]

make the bars betwen them?

[honest stag]

nah i mean around

lemme show

1 moment

like this, but more concrete-like

the border around the window

[blissful lion]

thanks i get it

but ig it should be metal

[honest stag]

depends if it's a psych hospital lol

[sharp nest]

so is there any way to make sparks?

[honest stag]

Nope

Not yet

[sharp nest]

im heartbroken

[honest stag]

Yea ur starting to see why its the alpha version of the sdk lol

[sharp nest]

so when was the last update we got...? guessing like a loooong time ago

[honest stag]

Over a year ago

[sharp nest]

yup

[honest stag]

But theres a good reason for it

[sharp nest]

i belive so

tho they making 2d pixel game instead of superchad mapmaking tool 😦

i need more dusk man

[honest stag]

The current version of the sdk is, as the devs described it, "a tumor on the main game"

They're pretty much reworking the whole thing

Which is why it's taking so long

[sharp nest]

thats super kul so im gonna have to relearn everything once it drops

[honest stag]

Not really

[sharp nest]

danggg that sounds good

[honest stag]

You'll still be using the same tools, you'll just have more features to use

So yea keep going at it

Refining what we currently got

[sharp nest]

soo are you like customer support?

no offence

[honest stag]

I uh get that a lot
But no

I just like dusk mods and want more people to make them

And have an smooth experience doing so

[sharp nest]

ahhh thats nice

well your super helpfull from what i can tell

[honest stag]

Tryin my best

[ancient depot]

gonna hire vriska as sdk customer support

[honest stag]

https://tenor.com/view/beavis-i-understand-your-frustration-beavis-and-butthead-tech-support-call-center-gif-11747019

"Are you sure you got the palette file"

[ancient depot]

||I'm hoping to turn the update into a Christmas gift maybe||

[honest stag]

H

GOD

[ancient depot]

Assuming nothing gets in the way again lol

[honest stag]

So safe to except the update in summer right

🙂

[ancient depot]

Summer 2067 obviously

[honest stag]

"Get up Aqua you'll finish your bingo game later we got an sdk update"
"Sir please lay down it's bedtime"

[blissful lion]

any new features coming?

[honest stag]

B r o

If i were to collect all the features I've only heard of the list would be quite hefty

And i assune they have a lot more

[blissful lion]

tbh i just need ai fix so they can walk trough doorways

[honest stag]

Door sound effects 😩

F O G 😫

[blissful lion]

custom sound effects on maps?

[honest stag]

QUAKE SKYBOX SUPPORT 🍆 💦

[blissful lion]

u mean sky brushes?

[honest stag]

Same way they work in quake yes

Sky brushes already exist and do sone stuff they're supposed to do

But not the visual part

[blissful lion]

by some stuff you mean sealing

[honest stag]

Sealing sunlight and some other thing i forgot

[blissful lion]

also can you make a brush just straight up appear and dissapear?

[honest stag]

Npt that i know of, but you could make a very fast toggle door i guess

Which goes into the ground

[ancient depot]

Yeah there's a lot of new stuff, I'm not sure if all of it will be in the patch at first, but there's still a hefty chunk of new features

[honest stag]

Cant wait for an all-caps dave tweet and an influx of people here

[ancient depot]

lmao

followed by a ping and a bunch of lurkers leaving

[honest stag]

"x reacted with "

[ancient depot]

it is hilarious to watch them bail whenever there's a ping

[honest stag]

Like water flux and reflux from moon

Come and go

Slowmode on release?

[blissful lion]

yeah sure

even on workshop support its prolly not gonna get that much attention

[honest stag]

Totally will

[ancient depot]

Workshop will def get a bunch of people in

[honest stag]

At least at first

[ancient depot]

Workshop is the "big" thing for a bunch of people

[blissful lion]

dusk fans def

most of the people that want to try mapping are gonna get filtered by the installation process imo

[honest stag]

I remember what this channel was like when the first version of sdk dropoed

[ancient depot]

Yeah we've got plans to streamline that

Right now it's very raw

[honest stag]

Lots and lots of ppl

[ancient depot]

Throwback to when I did a stream in here before the release showing the game loading maps upon request

[blissful lion]

"download 3 random programs, dont forget to follow the EXACT folder strukture"

[honest stag]

3?

[ancient depot]

Not much more complicated than the process for Source or Quake really tbh

There are just less tailored guides for it

[honest stag]

In fact that kind of exactly the quake process

[blissful lion]

so trenchbroom, cgui, erics tools

[ancient depot]

Yeah the idea was to mimic the Quake/Source workflow as much as possible

Kinda like how with Aces we're trying to mimic doom's workflow

(But to a lesser extent)

[honest stag]

Gui isn't exactly required tbh

[ancient depot]

I'm open to the idea of creating our own GUI of sorts that automates a lot of this process

[blissful lion]

by doing this ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlefvnZUQEk

[ancient depot]

I originally also didn't want to create a custom mapping tool but I'm less opposed to it than I was previously, definitely not until 1.0 though

[honest stag]

You can just drag ur .map into qbsp then drag the bsp into light.exe

[blissful lion]

is it needed though?

[ancient depot]

None of the complicated stuff is needed

All you really have to do is drag the file onto the compiler like Vriska said

[blissful lion]

cgui seems faster to me

[honest stag]

Its more convenient yes

[ancient depot]

(The downside being you don't get finer grained configuration)

[honest stag]

And that

[ancient depot]

I wonder if the compiler supports response files

If not, I might make a wrapper program to do that

a response file is basically just a list of arguments

[blissful lion]

also you have to put the files in the mod folder manually at the end

[ancient depot]

so you can have a file like

-input
my_map.map
-bounce
2
-flag1
-flag2

etc

[honest stag]

Not a big deal i think, all modders have to deal with making sure theur files are in the the right place so it works for the player

[ancient depot]

Yeah there's always going to be a bit of manual effort there

That's the nature of it really

[honest stag]

The compiling gui does have the output folder which never works

Would be even more convenient

So in general i don't see people getting filtered that much

If theyre willing to ask questions here it'll be smooth sailing

There were people here who had literally everything go wrong and still make maps in the end

[blissful lion]

i had some windows .dll files missing that were needed for erics tools

[honest stag]

Thats a new one lol

[blissful lion]

i downloaded them from the net (instead of installing, which isnt recommended) and put them in the folder with the tools

[honest stag]

Downloading random dlls to make dusk maps
Respectable

Anyway it's 1 am and i have classes tomorrow

Gn gl hf

[blissful lion]

gn

[alpine depot]

"ess dee kay? heh i havent heard that name in yeaaaars"

gonna be like that one scene in titanic

[long anchor]

an update to revive lower

and my strives for creativity that aren't music

[ancient depot]

hell yeah

lower 2 but real

[honest stag]

I've seen lower 2 with my own one eye

it's beautiful

got those half life vibes, mwah

[crimson patrol]

Lower 2 is the hall life of lowers

[muted glacier]

So then where the fuck is Lower 3 Gabe?

[alpine depot]

if this happens i will grind out a map pack so fucking hard i stg

[blissful lion]

when the update happens we should document what works and what doesnt (so things that arent yet implemented), and all known glitches/problems that can occur because of dusk SDK

[honest stag]

The devs are making documentation

[bold orbit]

is good so far

[honest stag]

well damn Q is fully gone

deleted discord account

[slim geode]

a

[blissful lion]

where is it?

[honest stag]

it's not done yet

[blissful lion]

well its already needed right now

at least for new mappers

[ancient depot]

maybe one day we'll learn why

[honest stag]

he's a little bit active on steam, but just a little bit

so he's fine it seems

[long anchor]

who's q

is this a person i know

[honest stag]

the guy who had a doom SSG as his pfp

[gritty forge]

It was.

Until he deleted his account.

[honest stag]

he made the guide for dusk mapping if you remember

participated in a couple jams

[long anchor]

kinda rings a bell

i'm sorry lol i've been so inactive here lately

[vast palm]

Would anyone be interested in porting OG Doom maps to Dusk SDK if I made a tool that does that?

[honest stag]

some people would for sure, but i dunno if they're still around

[vast palm]

From what I learned about 3d maths and Quake's map format, it looks like I could make a simple tool in a few weeks

Maybe even shorter than that

Hmm

I'll just port E1M1 and share it as an example then if I manage to manage my time properly and make the tool

[honest stag]

da dentist

[blissful lion]

the second and third floor are almost done

wanna playtest?

i have no idead about combat balance

[honest stag]

im about to go to bed, and i have a very busy day tomorrow

so it'll be a while before that

[blissful lion]

no problem

thanks for helping when you can

[honest stag]

but feel free to drop an updated version tomorrow and i'll do it

as soon as i can

[blissful lion]

thanks

[honest stag]

One day i'll drop my next map for playtest, but it'll take months before it's playable

[blissful lion]

do you have any enemies in it or functionality?

[honest stag]

in fact it sounds like the next SDK update will drop b then

none at all yet

literally 0

[blissful lion]

or just architecture

[honest stag]

i havent even finished the layout fully

and it has already taken me way too long

[blissful lion]

do you know how is it gonna flow?

[honest stag]

i do

i planned it out beforehand

[blissful lion]

like where r u gonna go first, where are the big battles

[honest stag]

it's more of an open map

exploration based

like a bunch of buildings you can go into and check for keys/guns

and unlock more parts of town with those keys

all to open the big bad door

[blissful lion]

maybe like collect all keys, not in any specific order

[honest stag]

i intend for keys to unlock some areas, because i dont want to confuse the player with dropping the whole open map on them right off the bat

[blissful lion]

yeah thats cool

[honest stag]

it's not that big to care about it, but still

[blissful lion]

do you have any story/lore

[honest stag]

that way i know the player won't just accidentally find the final switch/key without doing anything else

yes

but it'll be more in my head than told

[blissful lion]

try to tell it trough enviroment

[honest stag]

i do

bit just a lil bit

basically local priest is sick and tired of this whack ass cult taking over and ruining the historical value of his little town

so he goes on a lil rampage

so you see like a church being converted to some satanic stuff

with old icons and crosses tossed out

[blissful lion]

cool

[crimson patrol]

Local priest kills dozens in very well textured town

[blissful lion]

im gonna go the dusk way, so "lore" and a twist at the end

[blissful lion]

and very well lit too

[gritty forge]

while listening to some nice beats

[honest stag]

the CEO of evil wont know what hit em

i'm just gonna use dusk ambience

nothin crazy

maybe i'll grab some of the pretty AE tracks tho

but i do LOVE the lighting and texturing i've done so far

easily my best work

i just hope i can make it play well in the end

[crimson patrol]

Ask kreuz to make music hes pretty good

[blissful lion]

object_machine_1 is incorrectly orientated

[honest stag]

Which one is that

[blissful lion]

the one with spikes

[honest stag]

Can you show it in both TB and in gane

[blissful lion]

in a shape of a doge house

[honest stag]

Also have you turned it

[blissful lion]

tb

yeah i did

so first i place it correctly in the next room

and in the game it looked like this pic

then i just turned it 180 like in the pic, and it was placed correctly ingame

[honest stag]

Due to how i ported them i legit had no way of knowing that some symmetrical objects are in fact wrongly oriented

So some are a pain in the ass lile that

[blissful lion]

ig its just 180 degrees

[honest stag]

I think the lightbulb fixture thing has the same problem

[blissful lion]

the long light?

[honest stag]

Single lightbulb

[blissful lion]

i think its just on its head

[honest stag]

Covered with armature

[blissful lion]

well not my problem

i made my own

[zealous onyx]

what's the best mod one can have?

[crimson patrol]

https://dusk.mod.io/detail-trees

[blissful lion]

this is the best mod

[long anchor]

lower 2 is second best

check it out

[blissful lion]

why you all have to make this big laggy maps

[crimson patrol]

The future is now old man

[blissful lion]

ok terrain boy

[sharp trail]

i agree

Im a simple man

get home from work at 5

Kiss wife, hug child

play vanilla style dusk maps

[crisp raven]

I approve this message

I saw someone mentioning to hit up KREUZERMAN aka igrasimon to make some music for your map 👏 Know this, if it isn't drum and bass that you want 🙅 He's not interested 💅

[sharp trail]

I heard that igracsimon can do synthwave and cyberpunk style music to

[crimson patrol]

Can he make slurpcore?

[sharp trail]

i guess i can

hit me up

i know a lot about clowncore as well

[crimson patrol]

Omg I love clowncore

[vast palm]

https://tenor.com/bFpXu.gif

[muted glacier]

The end of an era 😢

[muted glacier]

Definitely. I know that people have previously tried, but the terrain gets all kinds of messed up when ported into TB or jack editor.

[still raptor]

god i forgot about the clowncore

[vast palm]

I have no idea what kind of method those people used, so I can't comment on that, but the method I have in mind should make things easy

But we'll end up with brushes that look like what you get from the terrain generator I shared a while ago

[muted glacier]

Im not exactly sure of the method that was used either, but it resulted in alot of areas of the map all smashed together like it couldnt differentiate 3 dimensional plains, such as stairs or raised areas on the maps due to how OG Doom functioned (e.g "Up and Down" not really existing in a sense)

And that terrain editor is a godsend, and will save me SOOO much time on future Dusk/Quake projects

[alpine depot]

god clowncore is so good

forget which song it is but theres this gorgeous sax solo in the middle of it and it goes so hard

oh its computers

best song

[vast palm]

Toilet's sax solo is much better

[crimson patrol]

love how they just burst into complex rhythms after a long pause

[crimson patrol]

IKR

i actually dont like the editor part of the terrain editor so i just kinda make heightmaps manually in photoshop

[vast palm]

This is a nice start

I haven't done anything with texture alignments yet

But now I know it's not impossible to convert the geo to spike brushes

[crimson patrol]

very nice

[honest stag]

Neat stuff

[vast palm]

Thanks

I don't know how to compile for Dusk, so I'll have to ask you guys to test a few maps when I manage to make the texture alignments work

[honest stag]

Its quake compiling

[vast palm]

I know, but I've never been able to get my BSPs work in Dusk 🤷‍♂️

[honest stag]

Odd

[vast palm]

There's probably something I overlook

[honest stag]

Maybe you set the folders wrong so they didn't show up innthe menu

[vast palm]

But I'll have to install Dusk again if I want to try it out myself

[vast palm]

Texture alignments are also done

Loaded the map into Quake 3 because why not 😂

[honest stag]

Yooooo coop

Cool

How does geometry look

Is it all clean

[vast palm]

You don't want to know 😅

||I just take triangles and create pyramid-like brushes like the terrain generator does||

[muted glacier]

@vast palm when you get those texture alignments done, shoot me the files and Ill run it in Dusk when i get a chance. Thats awesome!

[vast palm]

As you can see from the screenshots, I've already done that

I'll just make some adjustments and send a test map to you when that's done

[muted glacier]

Im blind, and didnt read chat

[vast palm]

Does this look any good? 😄

I created a wad with the wad maker, but it does not load my textures :/

Isn't this where palette.lmp is supposed to be?

[crisp raven]

yes

[vast palm]

Any ideas why my textures won't load then?

[crisp raven]

No idea. I've never encountered this problem before

[vast palm]

That's strange

[honest stag]

Are you sure the paleete of your wad is the same as the quake palette

You may need the palette of your wad specifically

Just a guess

Probably wrong

[vast palm]

I used the Quake palette while generating the wad

[ancient depot]

If that's a Quake 3 BSP it'll load raw PNG/JPG textures instead

From the textures folder

[vast palm]

It's a Quake BSP, but I'll try what you said to see if Radiant tries using q3map2 to compile Q1 maps. I'll start using some GUI for eric-w tools if that's the case

[ancient depot]

Easy way to tell: open it in a hex editor and look at the first four bytes

If you see IBSP in plain text, it's a Quake 3 BSP

[vast palm]

It's a proper Quake BSP

But the thing is

Even Quake can't load the textures 😂

[ancient depot]

lmao

Is it a WAD2 or WAD3? DUSK should support both but Quake would probably only load WAD2

[vast palm]

I packed the textures into a wad using the tool that was shared here

I also just tried compiling it as a Quake 3 BSP and copied the textures in a folder, but the game didn't load the textures for that one either

[ancient depot]

it looks for the textures based on the paths in the bsp itself

if you open the bsp in a hex editor you could look for the texture names

typically they'll be like textures/sometexture

the game will look for textures/sometexture.png, textures/sometexture.jpg, etc

[vast palm]

Yeah that's how I copied them

You mean like this, rigth?

[ancient depot]

yeah

[vast palm]

At this point, I'm starting to think the game does not like me

[blissful lion]

@honest stag

[honest stag]

good you've reminded me

i'll play it

[blissful lion]

the end right now is when you open the red door

thanks

[honest stag]

aight done

i like the little dopefish room

and the dude breaking out of the box lol

i still think there's way too much ammo for now

[blissful lion]

i was planning to put littleneck in that box

what about health?

[honest stag]

put a rat with increased hp and a bossname

health wasnt a problem

[blissful lion]

did you die?

[honest stag]

nope

i basically cornerpeeked my way through the level

which is a shitty way to paly but that's what seemed the most efficient

and i guess that's unavoidable in a corridor design

Unless the enemies can actually chase you, which they can't do most of the time cuz of the door bug

so not really your fault

[blissful lion]

so ammo again

i prolly need to remove some in the first floor

[honest stag]

yea there's just a little bit too much

i always feel like i have 4x the actual needed amount, which isnt bad but

dunno, felt like i could spam with no consequence

[blissful lion]

is the dopefish room too derpy?

[honest stag]

it's cute, i like it

[blissful lion]

i didnt put the clouds on every wall

[honest stag]

also the sword is absolutely busted in cramped levels

so i'd suggest replacing it with some armor

which the level actually quite lacks

[blissful lion]

theres like 5 or 6 bags i think

and i hid a diamond in a toilet stall

[honest stag]

dunno then

but the sword needs to go imo

way too strong

[blissful lion]

sure

[still raptor]

Eventually the door issue won't be a thing

[blissful lion]

its just a really hard to find secret

[still raptor]

Eventually

[honest stag]

well it would be concerning if you said "deal with it forever" lol

i guess so, but still

even if you run out of ammo fully it's not an issue at all

which wont happen anyway

so my main complaint would be that it's too easy for now

[vast palm]

Would anyone like to test the Doom map I ported to see if the textures load?

[honest stag]

just played through the level sword-only too

[honest stag]

sure, might as well since i have dusk booted up

[vast palm]

@honest stag

[honest stag]

all alligned

daaaamn this is so cool

just a tad too small for the player

[vast palm]

Then why doesn't it load on my computer? 😫

All other custom maps work just fine

[honest stag]

cursed pc

[vast palm]

It's obvious I should scale it up though yeah

[honest stag]

try to just remake the mod folder

[vast palm]

Try this

[honest stag]

Im

In bed lol

[vast palm]

😂

Nevermind

[honest stag]

Tested that last one and turned off the laptoo

Sry

[vast palm]

It's okay

I'll try fiddling with it a little more and see what happens

[honest stag]

Well if it worked on my end then its gotta be all good right

[vast palm]

Yeah

[honest stag]

Judt something with folders maybe iunno

[vast palm]

I'll uninstall Dusk and reinstall it

[honest stag]

Ehhhh

[vast palm]

With 8mbps connection 😫

[honest stag]

Hild on

Hold on

1 more thing

[vast palm]

Yeah?

[honest stag]

Try putting your map into a different mod
Like some that already work

Drop your wad in the mod folder too

See what happens

[vast palm]

Okay

[honest stag]

Just make sure to disable the old unfunctional one

[vast palm]

Okay

Noperino

It's still the same

[honest stag]

Huh weird

Imma think this over for a moment

Just to be sure

Is your map fullbright for you

[vast palm]

No

[honest stag]

So its dark and textureless

[vast palm]

The game loads the lightmaps with no problem

Baked shadows and stuff are still there

It's just the map's textures that won't load

I even tried it with enemies

[honest stag]

Fuck i wish i didnt turn off my laptop to try out more things

[vast palm]

Nah you need sleep

That's more important

[honest stag]

Wait my version of that test map was fully dark

No light sources

Are you certain its the same map as the one you're testing? Maybe you have a different version somewhere that keeps being loaded

[vast palm]

I placed only one light in the spawn room in that version

[honest stag]

Maybe backup all the content you need from "local" and use the archive you sent me?

[vast palm]

I placed more lights and compiled it, the other places in the map stopped being dark after that

[honest stag]

But its still textureless

Hmmm

[vast palm]

And it loads on your end