lmao
#dusk-modding
crimson patrol
AAAAA
gritty forge
Hi Dave
gritty forge
managed to hide most of the light leaks by adding in some cliffs
still one very obvious obnoxious one in front of a door but eh
cant be fucked to even try fixing it at this point
dusk summit
I have been having some trouble getting func_water to show up. It is doing the invisible top but behaves like water when you get in it.
Not sure if it is zhlt compile doing it
crisp raven
Do you have any waterskip textures on it?
gritty forge
or regular skip
honest stag
i suggest you dont use func_water @dusk summit
there is another way to do water brushes
just apply a texture that starts with *
quake's id1 wad has some
1 moment
you'll get some cool wobbling effects on it too
ancient depot
Just keep in mind that in the current build, water created that way isn't guaranteed to have correct collision
crisp raven
Good thing the new build is coming soon 🥲 🥲 🥲
honest stag
ancient depot
I'm sorry it's been taking so long lol
crisp raven
The SDK has been finished for years. Zombie REFUSES to release it. I say we go over to NEWBLOOD HQ RIGHT NOW and take what is rightfully ours 🔥
ancient depot
oh shit you figured it out
alpine depot
cyberbully zombie until he decides to push the giant green "finish the update" button
like dude its right there
crisp raven
He'll never do it. He loves holding this power over us
honest stag
Make sure to email gabe newell with an official complaint about this
ancient depot
ancient depot
yooo
rotund vapor
https://dusk.mod.io/dusk-winter-jam-2020 its deep dive into sin from this pack
its very good
honest stag
Oh hey i made a shitty map for this 
alpine depot
cant believe i somehow shit out DDIS in ten days
now i cant even make something in TB for more than like twenty minutes at a time
ive lost my groove
oh god am i getting old
is that it
crimson patrol
We're all aging
dusk summit
@honest stag Well atleast it is not me going crazy lol
Was also playing around with hl maps and found the water breaks in there too so oh well
honest stag
Well there are a lot of factors at play
Sdk is in it's alpha so people tried early maps and said "yeah this is raw" and now await a full release
The mods haven't gotten much attention in terms of announcements and stuff in a while aside from a small pcgs segment
ancient depot
I think it'd be cool to do a big mod showcase trailer or something for 1.0
long anchor
i think it would be very funny to have bits of Lower 2 gameplay or at least have it in the list of mods
but never actually release it
alright my montly quota for lower 2 joke is filled
cya whenever
crimson patrol
mod showcase johns map [DO NOT RESEARCH]
honest stag
big john's map?
fresh dirge
@dawn dovei know i am not supposed to ping you but i have a question...
gritty forge
lol
gritty forge
I think it'd be cool to do a big mod showcase trailer or something for 1.0
hell yeahh
lone valve
btw are there any maps for endless mode?
crisp raven
It is currently impossible to make maps for endless mode
gritty forge
is there some decently reasonable way for me to make a func_water wall be diagonal without it being broken in game?
since the "hitbox" of the func_water doesnt follow the actual brush (it's always a rectangle from one corner of the brush to the other)
I guess I could maybe divide the diagonal wall into sections to make the boxes smaller actually
honest stag
Forgive me but
Several square functions_water brushes?
It won't be perfect but yeah
crimson patrol
I'm gonna make gm construct in trenchbroom
gritty forge
Yo how do I set up dusk mods
kindred plinth
Is there a file location for all of Dusk's sound files? I'd like to splice some stuff for some friend memes, I can't seem to find a convenient folder just yet in the steam files
Sorry if that doesn't completely fall under modding but this seems like the place where the most people would know
crisp raven
If you activate the SDK branch under DUSK's properies in Steam it'll grant access to the sound files
kindred plinth
I have Dusk SDK installed as the SDK beta, does that mean it's somewhere in the SDK folder? Thanks a bunch
crisp raven
Yes it's \Dusk\SDK\mnt\local\dusk\sounds
kindred plinth
That's perfect, thanks so much
thorny lodge
It is currently impossible to make maps for endless mode
do we know if theres any plans in the future to add support for endless mode maps?
dusk summit
Just wondering, what is the approach to late spawning enemies?
Is it just teleporting them in from a hidden location
crisp raven
Yes
ancient depot
do we know if theres any plans in the future to add support for endless mode map...
there are, yes
honest stag
dam
honest stag
Is it just teleporting them in from a hidden location
yea, good old monster closets in the shape of boxes outside of the map
gritty forge
big john noises ONLY for dusk
gritty forge
OK HEAR ME OUT
YKNOW WHEN A DEMON EXPLODES WHEN ITS ON FIRE
IT PLAYS A FART SOUND EFFECT
honest stag
shame we cant have duskworld maps yet
elder stag
oh really
honest stag
for now it's just singleplayer
elder stag
damn didn't know
honest stag
yea sdk is in it's alpha
elder stag
it's been like 3 years lol
honest stag
more like a year and a half since it went public
elder stag
Well since it was in development I mean
I remember playing the DUSK/DUSKworld beta back when
that was neat
bold orbit
Update is called once per frame
still raptor
fixedupdate will often run twice per frame
crimson patrol
6 words, 26 letters, say it and I'm yours
"Update is called once per frame"
gritty forge
What about LateUpdate
gritty forge
I propose the dusk SDK to be called SNUSK
Because snusk means uhh, filth but like, more sexual
In swedish
And dusk is filthy and arousing, only me?
high magnet
Because snusk means uhh, filth but like, more *sexual*
Your profile pic is snusky
crimson patrol
thats quite filthy and arousing
crisp raven
Dusk modders have truly run out of things to talk about 🥲
crimson patrol
prove it 
frigid cypress
Im gonna do some Dusk mapmaking again
swift wasp
Is there like a website to publish dusk mods or is there a steam workshop or something?
I don't really know I just wanna know because I'm getting the game soon
ancient depot
Is there like a website to publish dusk mods or is there a steam workshop or som...
Workshop is coming later on as well
swift wasp
Cool
ancient depot
(But mod.io is generally the better place to upload to, because GOG players can use it too)
graceful star
Ayy
still raptor
id put it at more than slightly
but yes kind of
their big feature is all games are DRM free
but as a secret spoiler, all new blood games are drm free no matter where you buy them
crimson patrol
Because wehate.money
warm thistle
🙂
frigid cypress
I put Vriskas entity file from pins into id1, when I selected it in trenchbroom, they were there but no models
crimson patrol
map i made
frigid cypress
sand
crisp raven
Looking for playtesters
warm thistle
sand
alpine depot
sign me up :)))))))
solar warren
came here exclusively ask how the hell do i make a secret in trenchbroom
i know i have to have a secret brush for when you enter
and then something you can break or to get inside with
but i mean like
how do i put a crack and a wall next to eachother
and then get them to both be breakable
specifically in such a way that they both break at the same time
instead of separately
genuinely can't figure it out because from what i've tried if i group them together they just refuse to change at all, if i make either of them breakable and then group them together then they still act separately.
SOMEONE TELL ME THE SECRET OF THE CRACK IN THE WALL
worn umbra
specifically in such a way that they both break at the same time
i think you can set targets for breakables that activate other things, breakables included
idk havent touched TB in a bit but thats how i remember it
solar warren
i think you can set targets for breakables that activate other things, breakable...
MY GOD YOU'VE GIVEN ME THE ANSWER AND IT WORKED
thank you so much
i can now finally continue messing with the small little thing i've been creating
now back off to the shadows i go
worn umbra
good luck lol
honest stag
specifically in such a way that they both break at the same time
There's another way to do it
You select all the brushes you need and then just right click - create brush entity - func_breakable
you'll need the fgd to do that tho
high magnet
You can also type func breakable into the inspector I recon
honest stag
Yeah that too
gritty forge
i think you can set targets for breakables that activate other things, breakable...
oh wow, didn't know this
gritty forge
you'll need the fgd to do that tho
won't this fuck or any transparent decals/brushes and make holes you can see though though? Like when you put up a decal and dont make it a func_illusionary or wall etc
high magnet
won't this fuck or any transparent decals/brushes and make holes you can see tho...
I used to place them one unit away from the wall
gritty forge
oh, that works?
I thought it was just the transparent textures that made everything behind it see-through
gritty forge
time to add more breakable secrets
Though we cant filter damage for explosions only
:(
ancient depot
That one's mainly because dusk doesn't really have a concept of "damage types" per se
It's being fixed though
(since it kinda sucks not being able to filter damage)
worn umbra
next update sounds big
honest stag
John
high magnet
next update sounds big
He doesn't know
worn umbra
He doesn't know <:laugh:722955564040323192>
i haven't been here since march i dont :(
high magnet
Nah I was just making a joke about how there's not many sdk updates
worn umbra
isnt there a way to change a brushes color without changing the texture?
without using lighting either
swift wasp
hey dumb question
how do i get the gun to be in the center of the screen
i cant find out how
crisp raven
What do you mean exactly?
Some of the guns are in the center some are not
As far as I know there is no way to change that
sharp trail
how do i get the gun to be in the center of the screen
Some gun models are on the side some are in the middle. You can turn down the weapon Size. The weapons will be smalle but they will be closer to the center
brittle garnet
Minigun in Dusk when, well we already have machinegun...and Minigun doesn't fit in the style of a treasure hunter.
Dusk dude is a treasure hunter, right?
honest stag
When we can make weapon replacement mods
sharp trail
Dusk dude is a treasure hunter, right?
yes
last talon
booty relocator
gritty forge
vikings*
high magnet
viking pirates
gritty forge
is dusk ever gonna be open source
crisp raven
Supposedly yes
still raptor
yes
unreal violet
is there any way to get hold of the gun models yet?
couldn't find them in sdk
only the textures
crisp raven
You cannot modify the gun models currently
unreal violet
Ah alright, thanks
still raptor
soon though
unreal violet
:)
honest stag
is there any way to get hold of the gun models yet?
I have the .obj files somewhere
I'll send them over in like an hour or two
thin juniper
unreal violet
Thanks a ton!
honest stag
try typing it as makewad.exe?
honest stag
wait what's the error message
crimson patrol
honest stag
crimson patrol
as i said, messy breakup between cmd and makewad
cmd doesnt want to acknowledge that makewad exits
any ideas how 2 fix
ancient depot
It's seemingly a weird issue with how single-file applications work in the version of .NET that MakeWad was compiled with
I could fix it by recompiling it in .NET 6 and doing a new release at some point
crimson patrol
thanks for the help though, i can now continue my texture making journey
ancient depot
np
crimson patrol
this is turning out well
last talon
shadows on the windows are a bit unfortunate but ehh what a guy gonna do
honest stag
did you try out any half life wads yet
they generally have a bit more high quality stuff
jsut have to convert them
crimson patrol
where can i find em
honest stag
well there's the sven coop map database website
crimson patrol
ill check it out
honest stag
it doesnt have a huge amout but they're pretty
there's also CS 1.6 wads on gamebanana
also cool ones
howeeeever the issue with those is that when converting you'll have to change the transparent pixel to the quake color
crimson patrol
oh no
honest stag
no big deal, wally has a tool for that
for replacing all specifically colored pixels with something else and again - it's only for transparent textures
crimson patrol
i remember when i had to remove the outline of the tree texture i was trying to make manually because semi opaque pixels would mix with the quake transparent color
honest stag
oh god yeah that is the worst
crimson patrol
god whoever created semi opaque pixels i will find you and shove my monitor up your abdomen
honest stag
i was doing the same when trying to adjust a transparent texture for q
also
is q fuckin gone
oh also
honest stag
this is turning out well
is this for that massive map of yours or did you scrap that
ancient depot
is q fuckin gone
looks like it :(
honest stag
awww
actual queston because i'm curious - wtf is happening here @ancient depot
and how
honest stag
yea but why does the cheevo reset can you do that on steam
ancient depot
when you launch dusk in the editor it resets all your achievements
honest stag
ah
crimson patrol
is this for that massive map of yours or did you scrap that
not scrapped, i restarted it again
i wanna make volga from metro exodus
crimson patrol
is q fuckin gone
q is alive hes just not on this server
hes still kinda active on the ultrakill server
honest stag
huh aight
honest stag
i wanna make volga from metro exodus
the entire level?
crisp raven
is q fuckin gone
Bro Q has been gone for a while now 👀
Vriska OBVIOUSLY doesn't spend enough time on the NB discord 😤
crimson patrol
the entire level?
The playable area will be the bridge section, rest is scenery
Basically yea
still raptor
what happened with Q
crimson patrol
He left the server
worn umbra
i wanna make volga from metro exodus
sounds like an admirable goal
still raptor
ok but why is what i was getting at lol
crimson patrol
From what I know he wanted to prestige
By becoming whitename again
And due to circumstances he didn't return or left after prestiging
I could probably ask him actually
Well he said he left because he thought the server was changing him for the worse
He would stay for the dusk mods though, and the games stuck in dev hell
still raptor
what game is in dev hell??
if theres one stuck in dev hell we arent aware of it lol
worn umbra
i mean switch dusk felt like it was
crisp raven
Station.map is stuck in dev hell
Broke: Lower 2
Woke: Station.map
crimson patrol
Lmao
still raptor
none of our projects are currently in dev hell
we're just a very small operation and only have 24 hours in a day lol
stoic lotus
how do i get mods for dusk
still raptor
honest stag
none of our projects are *currently* in dev hell
Is super galaxy squadron out of the picturr
crimson patrol
Dabe
high magnet
He left the server
He focking left the server!
high magnet
cant open my map
You sure it's the right game configuration?
crimson patrol
if it isnt how do i fix it
ok its caused by my custom textures
not game config
using the church wall texture fucks with the map
i think its because theres a space in the name
ill give a quick example
ancient depot
Yeah, this is a TrenchBroom bug afaik
Because it doesn't automatically quote the texture name strings
You can fix it by changing your texture names to not have spaces
In order to repair your actual map though, you'll need to go through and either change all the texture names yourself, or add quotes around them
eg the snippet in your screenshot: ( 1504 976 528 ) churchwall 3 [ 1 0 0 -3863.37
needs to be changed to ( 1504 976 528 ) "churchwall 3" [ 1 0 0 -3863.37
probably wouldn't be hard to automate fixing that via regex or something
crimson patrol
yea currently doing that now
actually just gonna straight up remove the textures after removing the spaces
fixed!
map is accessible again
honest stag
Oh hey i didnt know you could just edit the map file
i converted the map into a valve/quake format and that fixed it
crimson patrol
yea you can edit it in notepad
honest stag
Well i know that - just didn't know you could fix the map by doing that specifically
crimson patrol
lesson learned though, dont put spaces in texture names
anyway heres a birch tree
honest stag
sick, tho it seems a bit too bright on the bottom
crimson patrol
yea i made it darker
overall im just creating assets that look like stuff from volga, and then ill do the terrain
so if i fuck up the terrain i still have background buildings or whatever
gritty forge
we're just a very small operation and only have 24 hours in a day lol
I feel like people generally forget this.
toxic canyon
quick question about dusk modding but have devs talked about having workshop or not?
honest stag
Yes
toxic canyon
for steam users atleast
honest stag
later
toxic canyon
thanks for speedy response
honest stag
sharp trail
I feel like people generally forget this.
The operation is so small that you can give everyone involved a kiss on the forehead and bring them milk and cookies in the evening.
gritty forge
I would never 😳
toxic canyon
thanks g
haughty slate
hey peepsis it just me or are quake/halflife maps broken when played in Dusk?
honest stag
depens on what kind of broken are you talking about
haughty slate
I usually can't proced as normal
Like buttons not working or stuff liek that
Half life resets the level everytime I backtrack but that's normal I guess unless I merge them
honest stag
can you point out a specific example? some may not be able to trigger the needed functionality
cuz it's not supported
quake maps will probably work better compared to half life btwq
haughty slate
well for example that point in half life after you get the suit and then get to elevator
the elevator, doors and ladders dont work
ladders from Gold engine seem not to work in general
honest stag
have you by any chance saved/loaded the game while in that map
haughty slate
quake maps will probably work better compared to half life btwq
I didnt play the original maps regarding Quake, only custom maps, the last one I tried has a non functioning button right at the start
haughty slate
have you by any chance saved/loaded the game while in that map
No
honest stag
hmmm
i havent seen half life maps in-editor, but i'm assuming the elevator is a func_train cuz i dont see why else would it not work?
not sure why ladders wouldnt work, if it's a simple func_ladder that is - which is supported
honest stag
I didnt play the original maps regarding Quake, only custom maps, the last one I...
what was the map called?
haughty slate
hmmm
i havent seen half life maps in-editor, but i'm assuming the elevator is a ...
Tested ladders both on official half life maps and custom ones
Maybe there's something wrong with my game idk
honest stag
are you on gog or steam? just curious
honest stag
i was hoping that map would have a .map file included so i could see what the button did inside an editor, but nah
got no clue then :P
haughty slate
I think I can check it out
haughty slate
got no clue then :P
I opened it witha bsp editor and there's no entity on the button
and nothing of use around aside from light entities
ancient depot
hey peepsis it just me or are quake/halflife maps broken when played in Dusk?
They're not intended to be fully playable
We just support the format the maps are in so people can make custom levels
The Quake/HL maps loading in Dusk are just a consequence of that
gray shuttle
Hey, does anyone know where I can find the specification for WAD2 files?
I'm trying to rewrite MakeWad in ruby so I can run it more easily on Linux but I'm having trouble figuring out how the file format works
crisp raven
Zombie would know he's the one working on the SDK
gritty forge
currently learning and doing a lot of blender stuff in school so I'm mega hyped for dusk mod support
and making my own enemies
it's really easy to make something similar to a dusk enemy luckily
crimson patrol
Hell yea, blender will serve you well
crisp raven
Flashback to Vriska's spoon man
honest stag
it's really easy to make something similar to a dusk enemy luckily
Right??
The model is ez, but the textures in dusk really sell those cardboard cutouts as actually cool looking things
crimson patrol
How does mad scientits David do it
crimson patrol
Oh god is that spoon man
crimson patrol
Lower 2 leak
honest stag
Some say he still stalks these grounds looking for his creator
I sealed him deep inside a unity project with shitty code
he wont be getting out anytime soin
crimson patrol
Who will be the one to break the seal
gritty forge
The model is ez, but the textures in dusk really sell those cardboard cutouts as...
I feel like I can manage that too
oh also
I let my irl friend play my latest map
and he's kind of an asshole so instead of giving any useful criticism he just said "not your best"
lol
so I'm sad now :(
honest stag
Ah i thought you had one in-dev
gritty forge
I do
honest stag
Anyway ur maps are sick and densly packed with content
the only thing i may dislike is that the overall lighting feels a but samey in terms of color
Other than that its mwah
😩
gritty forge
yeah I know the issue, he didnt actually want to play it. Like you're meant to be somewhat engaged and actually pay attention to stuff and remember where you've went and are etc, he kinda just skimmed through it and tried to break it which felt quite annoying lol
Also I'm aware of my lighting situation and orange light fetish
honest stag
Someone must be a fan of deus ex hr
gritty forge
the what
gritty forge
I just use it cause I like it and because it's used a lot in vanilla
though I may make the outside lighting on my latest map more white-ish in the final draft
all my maps will be remade and rebalanced somewhat once the entire "episode" is finished
thick condor
does anyone know how to fix trenchbroom display errors?
if i draw anything less than 2 mp i get this dark type display error over the object
crisp raven
Could you send me a picture of the problem?
thick condor
what happens is these black squares i diddnt draw cover some if not most of what i draw when i test the level i have to turn on the flashlight to see the object
maybe its a file conversion thing i dont know. i use eric w tools suite to covert the files
crisp raven
Is there a .lit file in your directory with the .bsp?
thick condor
yes you have to light the file lol
crisp raven
.lit is for coloured lights. If you have a .lit in the directory, but no coloured lights in your level it messes things up
thick condor
but if i dont light the file the light globes dont spawn and the whole thing is dark
crisp raven
if you run your .bsp through light.exe it'll be lit up without any additional files. But if there's a file that ends with .lit in your directory it becomes a problem
However if there is no such file ending with .lit then that isnt the cause of the problem
thick condor
i do run my bsp through light.exe but it creates a .lit file in the process
crisp raven
I see
thick condor
so dont put the .lit file in the level directory?
crisp raven
Do you already have it in the directory and it's causing problems?
If so try deleting it and see if it works
thick condor
ill give that a try thank you 🙂
crisp raven
😘
gritty forge
dude im actually so hyped to make my own enemies
honest stag
Some of the blends i sent you should have animations in them
Check that out if unsure
gaunt aspen
do you consider making maps for dusk harder than quake?
I want to get into it someday
honest stag
balance/gameplay wise or in the technical sense?
if talking about balance - i'd say harder to make interesting encounters, but easier to not make it bullshit
in terms of technical difficulty - it's the same considering we're using a level editor intended first and foremost for quake. However we have a bunch of cool stuff from, say, half-life that's a bit more diffuclt to use
gritty forge
I want to make some kind of ”expert” map pack at some point
maybe 3 maps
Would be fun
crisp raven
What do you mean by "expert"?
sharp trail
What do you mean by "expert"?
dumb shit
let me guess it's gonna have gore/industrial aesthetic
Im gonna make a fucking rainbow map and nobody will stop me
crisp raven
I'm coming to Croatia
I'm going to slap you
Then I'm going to kiss you
Then I'm jumping out of the window
And I'll spend the rest of the night wandering the market where the old vendors sell their fragrant wares and speak through papery lips
vivid gorge
gritty forge
What do you mean by "expert"?
hard maps
brittle rune
worn umbra
wait isnt Criadus already that?
gritty forge
we dont talk about that mod
worn umbra
we do in this house
haughty slate
you can't but you can use the fireball shooter.
Alrighty will try and see how that works
im new to this
haughty slate
you just have to place it :D
Yeah thanks, I found it by myself but thank you anyway
long anchor
we dont talk about that mod
almost as if making "fair hard" requires some level of competency in level design so you don't make "bs hard"
honest stag
well to be fair
that was the intention of the creator
soooo it achieves the goal it sets out to do?
i guess?
honest stag
cant wait for workshop support
that'll bring in a ton of people i'm sure
ancient depot
I imagine it will, yeah
Probably a lot more people playing mods too, since it's easier to install that way
honest stag
totally
someone will just look at dusk in their library and see workshop instead of finding out about mods even existing through a discord server
and then going out of their way to even install them
ancient depot
sometimes it still surprises me when people don't know there's mod support, but then I remember it's on a beta branch and the average user isn't gonna go sniffing around for that
honest stag
and then they go on moddb for mods and find like 4 extremely early maps for a january version of the sdk
january 2020
honest stag
well it was the only place to do so before you've set up mod.io
aside from here
but here they got lost quickly
ancient depot
on that note, looks like we've had dev wiki vandalism again lol
crimson patrol
Oh naw
honest stag
aw shid
crimson patrol
Dev wiki?
ancient depot
honest stag
not a ton of info there and it's stuff you already know probably
crimson patrol
Thx
honest stag
but cool
ancient depot
It's a bit of a failed experiment lol
It'll be tidied up later and probably made read-only eventually
ancient depot
they don't seem to edit existing pages anymore
but rather add random useless ones
crisp raven
Who would even bother lol
Indeed who. Not many people even know about this page, not even most modders. It seems likely that, but no, but what if...
ancient depot
They'd be bots
crimson patrol
Seals ghost is back
ancient depot
None of this is manual vandalism
high magnet
Indeed who. Not many people even know about this page, not even most modders. It...
What if
There's an impostor among us😳
crimson patrol
I'm innocent I swear
crimson patrol
Cake...
crisp raven
wet violet
That's weird, they shrank his shoulders, made him look soft...
ionic citrus
if anyone needs music for a mod/game dm me.
crimson patrol
Kreuz has competition
high magnet
if anyone needs music for a mod/game dm me.
What kind?
ionic citrus
i take inspiration from mick gordon and static x.
crimson patrol
Awesome
ionic citrus
i already got some boss music on the back burner :P
i can drop a little snippet if you wanna hear it?
high magnet
Yeah sure I'm always down for some good music
crimson patrol
alpine depot
holy SHIT this ducks hard
it's so raw it could give someone food poisoning, god I love it
fucks*
queen vessel
Dan isnt making Dusk II, is he?
gritty forge
Dan?
ionic citrus
@high magnet what kinda music you need? I might be able to do it
high magnet
I was mostly just curious about the music you did actually
I don't think I'll be making dusk maps anytime soon but I do have a game I'm making
I don't think it's gonna have much metal and it's very early in dev rn but I'll see
Music is a banger btw
ionic citrus
send me clips and tell me what you want and i can probably do that
im not limited to metal
funny thing is thats the first metal track ive EVER made
crimson patrol
made a power pole
unreal violet
i tried downloading trenchbroom but it seems to have different contents than everyone else? it doesnt have an exe file either
crisp raven
You clicked the wrong thing, you gotta click this
It happens all the time though
This is an old screen shot the version will be different but whatever
unreal violet
much better, thx!
crisp raven
🤌
unreal violet
crisp raven
I once had a dream like this
unreal violet
a dream with 3 leathernecks stuck on a brick platform
unreal violet
is there any way to get the actual dusk maps open in trenchbroom?
like down on the farm or something
crisp raven
No
unreal violet
unfortunate!
gritty forge
I once had a dream like this
Mine was similar!
balmy swan
So where do you guys get started on modeling level geometry?
crimson patrol
these videos will help you get started with trenchbroom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gONePWocbqA&list=PLgDKRPte5Y0AZ_K_PZbWbgBAEt5xf74aE
balmy swan
Wow this is awesome!
Would this carry over to other unity games?
Or would you need to code your game specifically for this type of map format in mind
alpine depot
yeah no it'd only work if a game supports BSP file types for maps
crimson patrol
it wont carry over to unity games but its a good place to get started for level design
balmy swan
I was under the impression that dusk was made in unity
Ah so is this just for me to get started in general
good to know, my bad. I was asking how you guys got started in making your dusk maps
high magnet
good to know, my bad. I was asking how you guys got started in making your dusk ...
Nah this is a tutorial for trenchbroom which does the map format the dusk sdk uses
The vanilla dusk maps themselves were made in probuilder though
Which is a Unity extension
There's another program for Unity, RealtimeCSG, which is brush based like trenchbroom though
balmy swan
Got it. Thanks!
crimson patrol
realtimeCSG is sexy
still raptor
also to be clear
we will be open sourcing the code that loads BSPs in unity when its complete
so you will be able to use that in the future
honest stag
That
is absolutely awesome
the only thing that kept me from continuing to learn unity was the awful level making process
crimson patrol
how the hell did david make all this in probuilder
still raptor
it was an extremely painful process
but yes, you should be able to port our BSP solution to any project you want when we're done with it
crimson patrol
vriska can you link those half life wads you were talking about a few weeks ago
still raptor
theres already at least one person using it in a project
honest stag
vriska can you link those half life wads you were talking about a few weeks ago
i'll droo ya a dm
crimson patrol
ive got some screenshots coming up
unreal violet
my map compiler has stopped compiling?
there is no bsp in the working folder when its done
honest stag
hell yeah that does look awesome
i love the skybox
dont tell me those wires are brushes tho
or at least there arent many
crimson patrol
yes they are >:)
unreal violet
my map compiler has stopped compiling?
it seems to work for other maps, just not balls.map
honest stag
hm
i think i already have an idea of what may be wrong
can you send the .map file?
dm's if you dont want to send it publically
honest stag
thx, lemme see
oh right i reinstalled windows and tb isnt there yet...
fuck
1 moment lol
unreal violet
quite the pain to install
honest stag
i've helpled so many people troubleshoot tb installation that i'll be suprised if i screw it up
unreal violet
its super fun to mess about in, still havent figured out some things yet though
honest stag
try removing healh and wait properties from worldspawn
unreal violet
still didnt compile right
honest stag
hmmmm
imma try to compile myself, 1 moment
it seems to have compilet right with no issues
same file you sent me
compiled*
are you sure you're compiling the right one?
or saving the map at all
unreal violet
the map is saved yeah, saving the map as a new .map file didnt work either
honest stag
Try adding another brush and see if the brush count on LoadMapFile changes from 13 to 14
unreal violet
the 13 did change to 14, and for some reason that made the compiler work?
i have the bsp file now
honest stag
lol
unreal violet
thanks!
honest stag
Well good thing it works
unreal violet
1 cube made the compiler fix itself
crimson patrol
im adding a sphere to balls.map
unreal violet
but yeah thanks a lot for the help
crimson patrol
crimson patrol
hammer
honest stag
Time
crimson patrol
trenchbroom is kil
its still not responding lmao
i wanted to ctrl j all the brushes into one magnificent sphere
young mango
honest stag
My Minecraft house
worn umbra
i thought they were just thicc
worn umbra
holy shit
unreal violet
Look at those broad shoulders
worn umbra
either those pants are really really baggy or he really dont skip leg day
tempted to rank dusk enemies by thiccness now
crisp raven
worn umbra
not counting that until i see the rest of the mobs
else it wouldnt even be a compitition
unreal violet
gritty forge
chomper
is thic
probably
if he had distinguishing features down there
(he doesnt)
gritty forge
I did
honest stag
Sick as fuck my guy
unreal violet
honest stag
Select the face(s) you need by holding shift and clicking on it
If you need to select multiple - hold ctrl as well
Then apply a texture like normal
unreal violet
thx!
crimson patrol
woah holy shit is this your custom model?
thats sick dude
id add a bit more noise and stains to the plaid if i was you but good job
gritty forge
there
is a loss of detail in the pic cause of lighting
but yeah it's pretty smooth atm
most of the textures are taken from the leatherneck though
not the shirt tho
unreal violet
i assume there is no way to make doors like this yet?
crisp raven
i assume there is no way to make doors like this yet?
Technically yes, but it's so complicated it's probably better not to try
unreal violet
alright thanks!
gritty forge
yea
its a more slim leatherneck kinda guy
like
the luigi of leathernecks
if leathernecks are marios
lol
worn umbra
gritty forge
gaunt aspen
Dusk builder when
gaunt aspen
really freakin sick, is that gonna replace an enemy from the game?
gritty forge
no it's gonna be a new enemy once they add support for it
I may make a model replacement for the time being later on though
as a test
gaunt aspen
nice
unreal violet
Dusk builder when
you can make maps with a quake map builder
works pretty well, with some issues
worn umbra
yo when they add new enemy support and scripting im legit gonna add a dark souls boss into dusk
gaunt aspen
you can make maps with a quake map builder
how can I setup quake builder to work with dusk stuff
unreal violet
youve gotta download a lot of things
theres a guide here for setting it up, just make sure to click the right download link on github
unreal violet
You clicked the wrong thing, you gotta click this
this link
unreal violet
its great fun to make maps, even if you never intend on publishing them anywhere
crisp raven
☝️ 😔
gaunt aspen
its great fun to make maps, even if you never intend on publishing them anywhere
Yeah I'm sure It Will be, btw, i've been making Doom Maps for quite a long time and I wanna try out some new stuff
Well, tbh, i'm not really sure if it's long time, Its only 3 years
unreal violet
balls now features stairs
unreal violet
this is a bit of a stupid question, but how can i get this white arrow to rotate?
alpine depot
you set the "angle" key-value on the entity
90 will turn it 90 degrees etc
-1 and -2(?) set the angle upward or downward respectively
unreal violet
great that worked, thanks!
ancient depot
and if you use angles instead of angle you can supply an x y z rotation for more complex cases
unreal violet
I see, and is there also a way to make the door move further?
ancient depot
If it's a func_door you can increase the value of lip
Or rather, decrease
Negative lip will increase distance
(The door will move own_size - lip units)
unreal violet
I’ll fiddle around with it tomorrow, thanks a ton!
gritty forge
positive "x" value on lip = door sticks out x amount of units
negative value = door goes further in
basically own_size - lip lul
limpid onyx
Anyone interest in a DUSK Turok 2 mod?
alpine depot
never heard of turok but sounds cool lol
limpid onyx
Look it up, its a og retro shooter @alpine depot
gritty forge
is there some way to like
convert .obj or some kind of 3D object into trenchbroom brushes?
that would be insane
then we could like, have texture-mapped cars and toilets, sinks etc
honest stag
There is obj2map which never worked right for me
gritty forge
hmm
honest stag
and i'm no expert but
considering brushes are convex and meshes can be concave
it'd be hard to do something like that
but dont take it from me
you can do the opposite tho lol
unreal violet
how can i make triggers intangible and invisible?
unreal violet
well trenchbroom just crashed as soon as i grabbed the brush
very promising
but i think i've found the issue
it keep turning back into a worldspawn, and the worldspawn things turn into triggers
so if i make 1 worldspawn brush into a trigger, all of them turn into a trigger
honest stag
are you renaming it to a trigger in the classname line?
unreal violet
and vice versa
honest stag
because it's not supposed to be done like that
you right click the brush you need, then "create brush entity" - trigger - whatever type of trigger you need
you can even select multiple brushes and do the same - then they'll be the same trigger/func/whatever brush entity you want
honest stag
np
honest stag
oh hey i've used that one too, iirc it didnt work right either but that was a long time ago
might as well try again
it's a blender add-on
you'll be able to just export a model as a .map
but who knows if it'll work right
time to test
vast palm
@honest stag as long as you try to make your model in a way that can be seperated into concave chunks, it should work I think
honest stag
already better than obj2map, so that's good
vast palm
Yeah
It's UV calculation method is based on that of obj2map though
If Dusk SDK can load the bezier patches from Quake 3 maps though, I can also write a simple obj2map program that can export meshes as patches
honest stag
hmmm
well picking a random model probably wasnt the best choice lol
vast palm
Lol
I don't think it'd be a good idea to generate brushes with a shovel
You can only do so much with intersecting planes
Can't you use iqm models as props though?
honest stag
the only place where we can use iqms is replacing enemy models rn
vast palm
Damn
If you understand how the map format works though, it shouldn't be too hard to make models that can easily get converted to brushes
ancient depot
If Dusk SDK can load the bezier patches from Quake 3 maps though, I can also wri...
We don't currently load bezier patches
Q3BSP isn't fully supported
vast palm
Oh that sucks
limpid onyx
unreal violet
garlic bread and dusk mapping superior
honest stag
aint nothing better than a pizza and dusk mapping
i agree tho
gritty forge
pizza and garlic bread would be better than just pizza
honest stag
pizza and cold water
gritty forge
or a monster
honest stag
cold water, accept no substitutes
rocky shoal
^
honest stag
Huh?
unreal violet
actually gotta tidy up the map wtf
unreal violet
usually size 1
honest stag
Oh
well
there's ur problem
Big advice - stick to 8/16 grid while making the layout
walls floors doors that kinda stuff
until you're happy with how it is
then move to lower if you want and detail from there
using a small grid will bite you in the ass
like now
This would take 1 second to fix on grid 16/8 lol
well it happens
unreal violet
at least next map i make may or may not be easier
gritty forge
you can always just make one wall and use the cut tool to make it into two
unreal violet
my main issue is somewhere else, but i know i can fix it later on
ivory brook
The DUSK SDK isn't loading
crisp raven
What happens when you try and load up the SDK?
foggy creek
Oh you like making maps for Dusk? Ok, make a map in quake army knife.
honest stag
THIS GUY HAS A COMPASS IN HIS LEVEL EDITOR
foggy creek
UI design is my passion.
limpid onyx
half moat
Oh you like making maps for Dusk? Ok, make a map in quake army knife.
thats cool to make with that(?
vast palm
I still can't use anything other than Radiant though
foggy creek
thats cool to make with that(?
wdym
half moat
wdym
i mean, thats cool you can make a map in quake army knife (?? (sorry if i dont understand literally nothing about make a map uu)
foggy creek
yes you can make quake maps ( the type dusk uses.) in quake army knife and It has a bunch more supported games.
ivory brook
What happens when you try and load up the SDK?
It just displays a black screen with no options nothing
still raptor
It just displays a black screen with no options nothing
what operating system are you on, how are you launching it, what are your system specs?
ivory brook
what operating system are you on, how are you launching it, what are your system...
I use Windows 10, I'm launching it via steam by selecting launch Dusk SDK, my PC is strong enough to handle just about anything so that's not an issue
ivory brook
Well what do you need in order for it to be compatible
ivory brook
its not about strength, its about compatability
Sorry for responding so late
still raptor
here lets try this instead
add -logfile output_log.txt to the game as a launch option
and try running the sdk then
when it reaches the black screen you can close it or whatever
then send me the resulting txt that will be located in the game's directory
it should contain enough info for us to solve the problem
onyx schooner
uhh, the guide doesn't really help
honest stag
what kind of problem are you having?
onyx schooner
which game should i pick when making a map? or just generic?
honest stag
doesn't matter really, since you'll be installing an FGD that makes it dusk-specific anyway
honest stag
you'll see as you're going along the guide
but it's basically a bunch of entity definitions and models that make mapping specifically for dusk easier
onyx schooner
the one on dusk.mod.io
honest stag
then yeah that's a good vid to start out with
onyx schooner
do i need to have quake to be able to make maps?
honest stag
nope
onyx schooner
is there a good guide on how to make a map with dusk stuff?
cus the one on the page is not helpful
honest stag
hm
i'm honestly considring writing my own guide at this point
well anyway i'll try to give a short rundown on what's what and how to start
onyx schooner
the vid was helpful but i don't know exactly where to find the files on mac
unreal violet
hm
i'm honestly considring writing my own guide at this point
well anyway i'll t...
Make sure to say about grid sizes
honest stag
oh btw, have you watched all of dumptruck's videos on TB?
unreal violet
I’m probably gonna start my map over again because I’ve botched it up with the 1 size grid
unreal violet
oh btw, have you watched all of dumptruck's videos on TB?
I watched most of them yeah, specifically about the entities
honest stag
select a bigger grid size, say 8
then crtl+a
after that you click Edit - snap vertices to grid
that SHOULD unfuck some of the map
but it may also make things worse
onyx schooner
size has been an issue when making maps for ravenfield haha, without a good size comparison it can end up too small or too big
honest stag
worth a shot
onyx schooner
lets just hope the finished game has mod support for mac
because i've seen some fun looking maps on the mod forum/page thing
(i'm a sucker for creepy industrial settings)
limpid onyx
desert sonnet
crimson patrol
any maps with jakob?
honest stag
You guys think a new guide is needed considering Q is gone and many people are a bit confused with it
I've been thinking about writing one to keep it updated and including other stuff like model replacement
or is the one Q wrote perfectly fine
crisp raven
Q is dead, long live Vriska
honest stag
Guardian works though
God
the guardian will be forever burned into my memory
he's used in every map
(Including mine)
honest stag
The level comes to an end and you're like OH ITS THE FUCKING GUARDIAN AGAIN HI
but i cant complain
unreal violet
Not really a fan of The Guardian tbh...
😢
unreal violet
honest stag
Oh fuck i DID use it ong
unreal violet
😍
honest stag
Yup