dusk-modding

[gritty forge]

put in a light entity

[honest stag]

if you dont compile light at all - it should leave fullbright

i think

[gritty forge]

never ran qbsp with no light.exe

if i need fullbright i do -dirtdebug

[honest stag]

ditry bug?

👽

[gritty forge]

💥

[quaint geyser]

ok thx

[still raptor]

bogos binted

[gritty forge]

what?

[crisp raven]

👽

[high magnet]

Is there any way to change the shoot delay on the fireball shooters?

[honest stag]

nah

[high magnet]

Damn

[crimson patrol]

They are always synced up

Which sucks

[high magnet]

Did somebody say

environmental hazards?

[crimson patrol]

Can you atleast reflect the trap balls with the sickles

[high magnet]

Yeah

Or blow them up

But the best way is to time it right to move between the blades

[honest stag]

hey

cant you jsut place one of them further away

[high magnet]

Yeah

[honest stag]

sorry for the ping lol

[high magnet]

Well actually for this part I wanted the delay between shots to be changed

And not between the shooters

[high magnet]

Okay guys for real I'm kind of scared

[gritty forge]

wat

[high magnet]

My map is almost complete and even with a gtx 1660 the game has an aneurism if I even look at the northwestern part of my map

[honest stag]

how many enemies?

[high magnet]

At best it's like 40 fps

like 300

[honest stag]

mages?

[high magnet]

All kinds

[honest stag]

there's ur problem

probably

most likely

[gritty forge]

if the monsters are in that direction maybe ye

[honest stag]

or dynamic lights, but i dont think you'd use them

[high magnet]

Well there's some more stuff I need to make into func_details

[honest stag]

that honestly wont do that much in dusk

[high magnet]

Actually I'll try to move my monster closets to under the map

[honest stag]

it's the enemies

[high magnet]

Most likely direction for the player not to look

[honest stag]

ever seen nuts.wad for dusk that i made? it's a plain and simple map being a literal box

but it runs at 0.5 fps

[gritty forge]

Okey feature request: minecraft F3 like overlay so you can see performance stats

[ancient depot]

This is one of the many seemingly obvious-to-have features that were missed because most of the dusk entities are just "fake" entities that do nothing other than spawn the real ones

[honest stag]

Its all fake

Nothing is real

[ancient depot]

the world is just a complex quake mod

[honest stag]

Im just a hungry func_door

[muted glacier]

I want to get hit by a func_train

[honest stag]

But not before getting laid at least trigger_once

[muted glacier]

And maybe ill finally be able to meet my Illusionary dad.

[honest stag]

life's a trigger_secret
Its constantly pushing my func_buttons, sometimes trigger_multiple times a day

[muted glacier]

What if you wanted to go to heaven, but god said: error: Insufficient brush count

Could not snap integer to grid

[honest stag]

No filling performed, writing leak file

[muted glacier]

So Im assumimg its not possible to edit the "real" entities?

[ancient depot]

Not yet

It's all a product of the tumor SDK

That is, the current release of the SDK technically being a whole separate game implemented on top of DUSK

[honest stag]

Thats what the tumor looks like

[muted glacier]

Okay makes sense. So future updates to the SDK serve as chemotherapy

[crimson patrol]

Time is fake, real life uses trigger_counter

[gritty forge]

https://slapmap.wordpress.com/2013/04/23/outdoor-lighting-and-fake-g-i-in-quake-with-examples/

[gritty forge]

any quake optimization here doesnt matter much does it

its more for compiling time

[muted glacier]

So call me a dumbass. But what does turning stuff into func_details actually do? Literally nothing on my maps are func_details.

[gritty forge]

dunno, something something vis leafs detail helps

Detail brushes make QBSP & VIS's work a little easier by putting them into vis groups or some shit idk

QVIS (or rather, QBSP) divides the world up into areas called visibility portals. It then calculates which portals are visible from any location in the map, so that the game engine doesn't have to draw areas that aren't visible anyway. To do this, QBSP tries to use poly's in the map to break up the entire map into these portals. Marking a poly as 'detail' makes QBSP ignore it for this purpose. (I think QBSP can decide to ignore the 'detail' flag if the map would break because of it.)

In other words: yes, small (and complex) items like lamps should be marked 'detail', because they don't block visibility in any meaningful way, but still cause QBSP do go crazy dividing up the room around the lamp into many portals. It's not a big problem if you don't mark such items, but it can certainly cause the compiling of your map to take much more time, produce a larger .bsp file, and even can cause the portal-system to partially ignore parts of your map (there's a maximum on the number of portals). And of course, having good portals makes your map faster, so it's a good thing to play around with this a bit, and see if you can optimize your map.

(Q3map2 has an option "-debugportals" to visualize this; I don't know if QBSP has such an option.)

I hope that's clear enough?

apparently ur supposed to put detail brushes into func_detail's so that qbsp has an easier time converting your map since it knows what makes up the basic world & what it can ignore

[muted glacier]

But I though Dusk didnt support Vis anyway? And if it does and Im wrong, is there any point trying to seal an outdoor map, or should I not bother?

[ancient depot]

It doesn't support vis yet, but it will

because it's important for correctly rendering some maps

[muted glacier]

Oof. Vis requiring me to make things func_details might break components of my set-ups. I could just optimize stuff, but thats time consuming Also @ancient depot , I figured out why my map wasnt loading completely. Its not an SDK or Dusk issue. It was @crimson patrol 's goddamn trees. I apparently had a branch from the problematic tree in the level in a wall that I forgot to purge, and it was causing the number of leaf portals to max out, so stuff wasnt loading in properly. So it wasnt a brush limit or anything, just my own incompetence with reading error logs.

[ancient depot]

lmao

[crimson patrol]

this is why you use the cutouts

the model trees arent worth the trouble

[gritty forge]

jesus christ please seal your maps

i'm trying to find the article

kay found it

https://www.mapcore.org/articles/development/optimizing-an-open-map-in-source-engine-r88/

someday this'll be useful for dusk sdk

damn bro your map has a leak? kinda cringe

yeah always seal your maps

1 of my old maps is mostly an outdoor area with dusk style outdoors, i.e. giant ass skybox and that weird tree illusion with func_detail_fence

[gritty forge]

is the dusk sdk difficult to use?

im not talking about if its hard to make a good map, but to make a map at all

[muted glacier]

Always seal my maps..... Hm. Fuck. Makes me want to die alittle bit more.

[crisp raven]

Nah it isn't hard.

[gritty forge]

no

trenchbroom is as user friendly as it gets

[muted glacier]

How do you seal that? Does a skybox seal the map?

[gritty forge]

yeah i think it does

let me load it up

haha isnt it so funny that i wasnt able to release my map for months because of this weird lighting bug which turns out to have a tutorial on how to fix this common issue hahahahaha thats so funny and not fucking infuriating hahahahaha

this is the map

[still raptor]

damn looks sicc

[gritty forge]

ikr

[still raptor]

nice

[crisp raven]

A map being sealed means it doesn't have any holes into the endless void that it's floating in

[gritty forge]

tree tops & dusk trees with a big ol box for sealing & sky

[gritty forge]

great

[crisp raven]

Dang this is a throwback

[gritty forge]

same map lol

1 day ill come back to it

😔 cant believe it was a fucking .lit file causing all the issues

i didnt even put in any color lights

how the fuck did it generate

[crisp raven]

If you add coloured lights then take them away itll leave behind an old .lit

[still raptor]

that map is lit 🔥

[gritty forge]

anyone got any beginner tips for dusk mapping?

we have a steam guide on how to get started

pins

allright, thx

can you use custom maps in duskworld?

if yes that'd be pog

no

u wish

[sharp trail]

You can make concept maps

you cant play them in duskworld but you can already make them i guess. You just cant test them with other players

[crimson patrol]

You can test it with some jakobs

[sharp trail]

lol

[gritty forge]

do they attack eachother aswell or only me?

[gritty forge]

this is outside the map so

looks a bit weird

but

gives a good general view

[muted glacier]

Holy shit skade. That looks amazing

[alpine depot]

OH MY GOD

YOOOOO

[muted glacier]

God. Thats my compile time with Vis now, up from 12 seconds. I finally sealed my map.

[gritty forge]

cant wait for vis.exe support

[high magnet]

Society if the sdk had vis support

[gritty forge]

Society if SUSK was picked up by new blood

what do the other rendermodes do

ah nevermind

[gritty forge]

uh oh i got an idea on hacky fog

uh oh nevermind light proxy and fullbrights refuse to work on brush entities

[muted glacier]

Rip. That would be cool

[gritty forge]

i still havent given up on the dream

im trying every awful jank method i have left in muh 2 braincells

holy shit i think i found a way

[high magnet]

[gritty forge]

nevermind

fck

[high magnet]

[honest stag]

u know minlight exists yo

[gritty forge]

yeah i know it exists

but it sucks

[crimson patrol]

Skade your map looks amazing

[honest stag]

also hell fuckion yeah skade

sick as fuck

[gritty forge]

light proxy doesn't work on brush entities
wait what

oh no wait they just get normal light calculations of them

[honest stag]

yea
well the bursh entity wont change color, but it will affect some entity that's light proxied to it

[gritty forge]

For some reason I thought that brush entities didn't get lit with the light compiler

[muted glacier]

Are jakob and the player character the same height in game? Im just trying to get a point of reference for how tall doors and stuff should be.

[honest stag]

duskdude should be just under 64 quake units

[gritty forge]

yee

[ancient depot]

Anyone under 64 units tall is a quakelet

[gritty forge]

lmao

[honest stag]

get real

[gritty forge]

Nooo you can't do that

[crimson patrol]

The virgin metric system
The thad quake measurement system

[gritty forge]

😎

[muted glacier]

metric system? Whats that? 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[honest stag]

it's the system that uses my cock as a single meter measurement unit

[muted glacier]

[crimson patrol]

[gritty forge]

looks awesome so far

[sharp trail]

hey guys quick tip. IF your map barely runs at stable fps on your above average gaming rig maybe split it into 2 parts so people with worse rigs (playing a game know for being low rig friendly) can play it without ULTRALAG

[gritty forge]

or we could annoy zombie about vis :v)

or just buy more money for a better pc

lole

duhhh

clearly

[sharp trail]

ass

Skade spelled backwards is ass

[gritty forge]

😳

[sharp trail]

man your maps look gucci but they run like H&M

[gritty forge]

they run fine enough on my pc

not gonna bother optimizing them

lole

the new SDK should fix it anyway

[sharp trail]

pwease

i beg you just split them and make it a second version

[gritty forge]

split em yourself

runs fine for me

u just gotta get gud... pc...

[gritty forge]

splitting them will take so much time

the map is basically a huge cinnamon roll

[sharp trail]

:( ok

[gritty forge]

I could make a version with less mages etc

and just add soldiers and other enemies instead

should help performance a bit

[sharp trail]

why are mages extra laggy?

no

[gritty forge]

moving particles

and dynamic lighting

[sharp trail]

don't mess with the intended design

[gritty forge]

I could try adding a proper skybox too

David when he made dusk: yeah just have the mages spew green particles

should help for lower end pc's

[gritty forge]

(they stinky)

Then he just scales them up and makes them a boss

smh

[muted glacier]

[muted glacier]

Lighting Update to Dusk Der Untoten {hehe, im clever}

https://imgur.com/gallery/Lq9qnP7

[muted glacier]

John Wick skin for Big John 👀 👀

[crisp raven]

Regarding doors: when using 16 unit grid, I make my doors 6 units high and 4 wide

[high magnet]

Yeah I thought about making a low detail version but your solution seems better

Deus Vult from doom did the same thing

Only problem is I'm going to have to cut like half of the secrets from the 2 part version

[honest stag]

and please redunce the number of enemies

they are the biggest performance chuggers right before dynamic lights in here

[honest stag]

also this looks fuckign sick

[high magnet]

Well

In the two parter it's gonna be about as many monsters as strelok in each map

Also I'll need to find another song for the second part

[honest stag]

yeah making it a 2-parter comes with many benefits imo

like you can change the skybox lol

[high magnet]

You know what

Fuck it

Three different songs

One for the full version

And two others for the two parter

Also three different skyboxes

[gritty forge]

He's gonna do it

[high magnet]

He gon do it

It's working

Wow

Seeing this map with stable framerate is fucking surreal

[gritty forge]

lmao

[gritty forge]

oh nah the pipes bleeding

train in space

:O

are those torches brush props

noe

[gritty forge]

found a weird bug with the riveter

idk if its in the base game

but if you switch from a weapon to the riveter and shoot right as you switch to it the rivet will be rotated when its being shot out

[muted glacier]

I vaguely remember that happening but I dont know if it was in the game or a custom map.

[gritty forge]

Nice train

Yeah I think I've seen that riveter thing

[muted glacier]

So ive hit the wall. I have no clue how you add music/sounds to my levels. Anybody willing to explain how?

[alpine depot]

you can add a music key/value to worldspawn and then set a filepath to your music, relative to your mod folder

additionally, trigger_changemusic with a music key/value will also change music when the trigger is, well, triggered

the trigger brush entity of course has a delay and whatever else values that a trigger usually does, so you can do message in there as well etc

music can be in .flac, .ogg and i think either .wav or .mp3

i like .ogg a lot personally because you can compress the music to hell and back and it'll still sound really good at a low filesize cost

[muted glacier]

Awesome thanks. i didnt realize there was a sound property in worldspawn

[bold orbit]

very much hyped for the update

[high magnet]

There's an update soon?

[gritty forge]

update?

[gritty forge]

what?

Nah zombie needs to rewrite ____ 2 more times

[crimson patrol]

zombie after 2 millenia of rewriting the sdk

[gritty forge]

https://tenor.com/view/burning-wojak-pink-wojak-gif-13265101

[muted glacier]

or as my father todd would do, just release it as is.

[gritty forge]

then add dlc

custom level loading dlc for dusk sdk

coloured lighting dlc for dusk sdk

dusk textures dlc for dusk sdk

fog

[muted glacier]

XD the fucking dusk textures are a paid dlc

[gritty forge]

Amid evil textures DLC 😎

[muted glacier]

okay. So, I bought Amid Evil and Dusk at the same time.... and you can tell which I like more.

[gritty forge]

sobbin

[gritty forge]

is obj2map worth using for brush props

[still raptor]

its not terrible

but it has limitations

it can work, i wouldnt try to do anything SUPER complicated with it

especially non-manifold geo

[gritty forge]

im so pissed

i just made a mod that makes every enemy in the first level big john

just to later find out that there already is a mod like that

i even made a fucking video

[long anchor]

ikr? i started playing amid evil several times, i played for 12 hours, i can't finish this game for life of me

it just doesn't click

dusk tho? yeah sure 250 hours went like nothing

[high magnet]

Don't worry

There is never enough Big John

[muted glacier]

Holy shit. You spawn in the basement with 3 JOHNS?? sounds like a nightmare with Intruder mode turned on.

[crimson patrol]

That sounds great on duskmare

[muted glacier]

there is literally no emoji to describe how horrible that would be

[crimson patrol]

Theoretically you could run faster than it takes the 3 johns to fire, and then just outrun the rest

Idk about the dudes outside though

[long anchor]

this

[muted glacier]

How many frames do you think I was pulling with this bad boy?

[gritty forge]

bruh

[muted glacier]

took over a half hour to compile

[gritty forge]

post it

[honest stag]

@muted glacier

u will die

[crimson patrol]

How many seconds per frame are on that map

[honest stag]

try it urself https://dusk.mod.io/nutswad

[crimson patrol]

Nuts.bsp

[gritty forge]

didn't we have like a monster spawner entity?

[honest stag]

nah

[gritty forge]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

no

[gritty forge]

that wouldn't even be hard to add

[crimson patrol]

prop_soap

[muted glacier]

Anyone know of any ways, convoluted or not, to make enemies trigger something?

[honest stag]

None at all, if you mean them triggering stuff while alive

[muted glacier]

Yeah forgot to clarify that. Didnt think so

[gritty forge]

https://gamebanana.com/tuts/12718

the advanced arts of tri soup

[muted glacier]

[gritty forge]

tri soup
yeeeee boii

[crimson patrol]

tri soup heaven

[crimson patrol]

woah thats a really cool technique actually

ima of using it

[muted glacier]

yeah. starting out with basic shapes seems easier than the shit I do. Its kind of like when sketching you start with circles and boxes that morph to become greater details.

[crimson patrol]

I think I'm gonna restart my scenery again to try the tri soup method
Don't worry I didn't get much done to begin with, I was busy making textures for someone's models

[muted glacier]

Whats the difference between Func_detail and Func_detail_wall?

[gritty forge]

no idea

"func_detail_wall : This func_detail variant doesn’t split world faces"

https://quakewiki.org/wiki/func_detail

[still raptor]

yep, which is very nice

for avoiding triangle soup

[gritty forge]

wait so just func_detail does split faces?

[gritty forge]

there might be some lightmap overdraw near the func_detail_wall

and with the func_detail you might see visible brush seams in the lighting (i think thats what it is)

[muted glacier]

hm. so func_detail_wall is the way to go in most cases

[muted glacier]

So, heres something Ive been working on that Im going to upload on Duskmod.io soon. Let me know what you think. Its a building prefab that I made.

https://imgur.com/gallery/34kCgmr

And I also have a video showing how easy it is to use! (No background audio because I did it really fast, and I didnt have a mic on)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFivvlbxFmg

[stoic thunder]

what do you use to make maps for dusk again

[muted glacier]

Trenchbroom and JACK are the two that I know of, but I believe there's more.

[stoic thunder]

something you use for quake that I know

[last talon]

Trenchbroom is way more beginner friendly I imagine

Doubt jack is any more easy to learn than hammer was 15 years ago

[still raptor]

func_detail_wall is mostly suggested for brushes that touch the ground

as it would end up splitting that face

its less of a big deal otherwise

[gritty forge]

ack i saw one of the prefabs had off grid vertices

dont wanna be pasting that all over the map

also lots of the rotate tool use could've been substituted with just alt & arrow keys and ctrl f to flip

and

are all of those different brushes? im not sure if thats a good idea

[muted glacier]

XD i actually saw that right after i did it

Already fixed

Alot has happened since i posted this earlier.

[gritty forge]

some brush prop prefabs in the .map would be nice

[short mulch]

y'know what would be an absolutely horrible mod for DUSK

a mod that does nothing else but randomizes the switch combinations throughout the game everytime you play a level

[gritty forge]

loss.bsp 2: this time the file is actually included with the mod

[crimson patrol]

soup time

[gritty forge]

Okey remember to move the background instead of the train

[high magnet]

https://dusk.mod.io/vertigo-city

New map

This one was a bitch to make so y'all better appreciate lol

[crimson patrol]

absolute banger of a map

you nailed this maniacc

[gritty forge]

alright let me check it out

I think the water in this sewer thing is invisible?

[high magnet]

It's just very low to the ground

[gritty forge]

@high magnet great job

got pretty far through and fell down and died so I kinda lost the will to replay it but I'll give it another shot later

I like it though

cool theme

makes me think of strelok meets black industrial misery meets vertigo from csgo

lole

[alpine depot]

YO NEW MAP

YOOOOOO

LET'S GOOOOO

gimme gimme gimme mmm

oh mannn these screenshots

this looks like a banger

[vivid stirrup]

lemme just figure out how to install mods real quick..

[muted glacier]

Finally played UltraKill. Only had time to play the first 3 levels. Crazy intense, but I still think I like dusk alittle more. Theyre very thematically different

[crimson patrol]

Ye

Glad you enjoyed it

That triangle soup method is so good

[muted glacier]

So. I dont know how Dusk works, but I was trying to brain storm how to do health regeneration, and somebody told me that in Quake, you would have to code and edit a progs.dat file to get the effect. Is anything like that possible in Dusk?

[still raptor]

In the future it will be pretty simple, for now its quite complicated

You absolutely can make a mod to do this, but you would have to write it from scratch, as we provide no custom scripting currently

[muted glacier]

I figured I would have to. And I reallllllly dont want to do that right now. Thats awesome though that Im still able to. thanks!

[sacred bolt]

hi peeps

do you know why light entities emit no light in dusk maps using trenchbroom?

not lit

[gritty forge]

did you run the light compiler

[sacred bolt]

how can i check it

in the TB compiler light is on

under that theres a textbox with "light.exe -bounce -soft -extra4

[gritty forge]

yeah that should be it

are the values on the lights high enough to actually see?

[sacred bolt]

yeah

light 600

other keys should be right too according to dumptrucks's tutorials

[honest stag]

Can u screenshot it

[muted glacier]

Just for clarification, are you using the Dusk.fgd? Because I remember having a similar issue when I started because I was still using Quakes.

[sacred bolt]

yes im using it

thats the entity stuff right

[honest stag]

we figured it out in dms btw

[muted glacier]

Thats good. And yeah its the entity stuff. I remember I was trying to use quakes torches and light sources and obviously Dusk was having none of that. Come to think of it, I could theoretically test my map in Quake too because I dont think I have any Dusk entities in my level yet.

[gritty forge]

the button is fucked

but ye

[muted glacier]

That looks awesome. Whats wrong with the button?

[gritty forge]

it goes to the left insteaf of inwards

just didnt bother changing the angle before compiling

[muted glacier]

ez fix though. Looks great

[stoic thunder]

looks like there is a lot of knowledge I have from doom mapping that I can use in trechbroom

neat

[stoic thunder]

you can't import new models into dusk yet right?

or change the ones that exist

add like variants

[honest stag]

Can change most enemy models

[crimson patrol]

heres a .map for people who want a terrain grid, just select all and copypaste onto your map

[gritty forge]

would be cool if you made a tutorial or smth on this tbh :O

I have some ideas for custom models I wanna try out

[honest stag]

I uh

did

[gritty forge]

ohh

lol

[honest stag]

already

[gritty forge]

god ambient sounds r gonna be awesome

[muted glacier]

We already have them just go to sounds/ambient/ and pick any one of them

But seriously though, yeah. Its gonna be great

[gritty forge]

what

eugh no

what are you gonna do with them afterwards

painfully set up trigger change music's to change to the right track

of Ambient

[low surge]

I just downloaded this mod, I don't know where to put the files, and there's no friggin' instructions anywhere to be found online. Any help here would be appreciated. https://dusk.mod.io/weapons-sfx-reimagined

[sharp trail]

Here you go: https://discordapp.com/channels/240195284695646209/586508960128040961/662523580990488576

BTW instead of "creating a mod" you just move the folder into the folderpath he described

[muted glacier]

I actually tried to do this with a map, where you went from inside of a building to outside, but trigger_changemusic did nothing. I dont know if maybe I got the directory wrong, but I couldnt figure it out in the amount of time I was willing to invest. I can deal with sound problems later.

[alpine depot]

trigger_changemusic on its own doesn't work if you walk into the trigger

ran into the same issue myself

instead I use a trigger_once with the target set to the targetname of my trigger_changemusic

usually those triggers target multiple entities too so I'm not wasting a trigger or whatever

[gritty forge]

for crimson cesspool in the room with the moving spike wall, I used a delay trigger that changes to the ambient soundtrack after the door sound effect

works well enough but not completely optimal

[gritty forge]

are you still working on this?

[muted glacier]

Yeah, but i took a break for the week. Roof pieces were having issues lining up properly. Should be fixed in alittle over a week hopefully if I make the time.

[gritty forge]

awesome

i was thinking about a github for .map files with prefabs in them

that way people could get updates easier & contribute

[muted glacier]

That would be cool.

[gritty forge]

badmjwsaqkasnjkhfdbssiledfks

this map looks like black magic in the editor lole

[crimson patrol]

I could help you make the scenery... ..

[gritty forge]

well

it looks good

looks bad in editor

but good enough in game

:p

oh also

the level is close to being done, at least in terms of layout

so maybe I'll look for playtesters soon

[still raptor]

this looks great

[gritty forge]

the level defo isnt as memorable or special as crimson cesspool but I go like the looks, it's more of a "connector" level than anything as it's supposed to be level 1 and then lead up to black industrial misery which then leads to crimson cesspool

oh also, my intention is to make 3 (maybe 2) episodes and this would be EP2 ironically

[crimson patrol]

I'm in map making hell, all cause of my own laziness

[gritty forge]

what the fuck is your skip texture

idk lol

cant remember where I got it

its funny

[muted glacier]

The SOUP. That looks beaitiful. Holy shit.

[gritty forge]

soup

what

[alpine depot]

the soup.

[gritty forge]

Soup

[frigid cypress]

Im thinking of remaking an old dusk map I never finished

[gritty forge]

not finished yet but this might just be one of the creepiest dusk images I've seen lol

[gritty forge]

broke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjzYKGm_DQk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS0Fr1L2P2w

woke:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/464535987993706518/754880649982246932/tb_8sides1.gif

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/464535987993706518/754880781956022362/tb_16sides1.gif

[crimson patrol]

Don't go too far with the woke shit

[alpine depot]

my pc lags just staring at that image

[crimson patrol]

When I open the map file with the sphere, irl lags a bit

[muted glacier]

thats not even soup. thats a fucking smoothie

on another note. If i have to stare at the lighting on my map for one more second, Im gonna lose my mind. I swear, the longer I look at it, the more I notice things I dont like that need to be changed.

[gritty forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/730590011124351006/865990417248944149/unknown.png

uhhh

horror poggers

[muted glacier]

Holy shit. The little rat eyes glowing in the dark look insane!

[rapid hedge]

How does one go about changing the skybox or using light_environment? I've tried setting the images using the texture names from the wad, but it doesn't seem to do anything. And I imagine light_environment has something to do with sky brushes?

[gritty forge]

epic maper tip:

make 256x256 brushes and give them textures for a blockout texture palette

then you can do ctrl 4 & ctrl 5 to give complete 3d view and just shift click on the texture u need with said palette

[muted glacier]

Lighting for Dusk Der Untoten might actually be done (inside atleast). Ive got like 10 pictures on Imgur because I didnt want to spam them all here: https://imgur.com/a/mKSDxF5

[muted glacier]

all hail the vertex soup

[gritty forge]

[crimson patrol]

Use my grid map bro

[gritty forge]

is there any way for us to access the old dusk beta map?

if not I was thinking about making a replica in the SDK

[gritty forge]

some guy took this screenshot of my map

pretty cool

heres a new pic

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/472070186934206476/866456266289053726/unknown.png

[gritty forge]

AWESOME!

[last talon]

this looks great

[rapid hedge]

K so I figured out the sun. Still can't figure out what to put in the skybox_* attributes to change the skybox.

[gritty forge]

you need to add some worldspawn properties
a total of 6, for each side of the cube
and add the side textures to your mod folder
so it would look like this
"sky_up" "textures/skybox_top.png"
"sky_down" "textures/skybox_stars_bottom.png"
"sky_left" "textures/skybox_left.png"
"sky_right" "textures/skybox_right.png"
"sky_back" "textures/skybox_stars_back.png"
"sky_front" "textures/skybox_stars_front.png"
the file names are anything obviously
so like we're just applying each individual texture to the sides of the cube skybox in-game
left and right are swapped though
and example of a custom skybox

[rapid hedge]

Ah! Thank you. I was missing the "textures/" thing. Thanks!

[muted glacier]

Pretty sure its in the game files isnt it? I think ive seen the files for it

[bold orbit]

Good luck man

[carmine fern]

What's the texture for like a cracked wall

like the crack that signifies you can blow a whole in the wall

[gritty forge]

{crack iirc

use it as a decal with func_breakable

[crimson patrol]

Func_cocaine when

[gritty forge]

Func_bigjohn

[carmine fern]

I assume the { was a typo?

[gritty forge]

not a typo

the { tells qbsp & quake wads that it's a transparent texture

dusk_transparent.wad in the poins has dusk transparent textures

[carmine fern]

ah thanks

yep got it

much appreciated

[carmine fern]

I seem to be having issues getting func_door_rotating to work...

https://i.imgur.com/LPFX2Ow.png https://i.imgur.com/jDN5Zre.png

https://i.imgur.com/PWBzsaQ.png

door entity properties ^^^

https://i.imgur.com/CvbwnDV.png

trigger properties ^^^

nvm looked it up

needs an origin brush

okay so yeah now I can't find any tutorial on how to set up an origin brush

[gritty forge]

func_door_rotating requires the actual door to be placed at XYZ 0 0 0, have an "origin" property which is set to coordinates of the place where you want the door to rotate around and have a "distance" property that decides how far the dolr goes
You can also add a "speed" property for obvious things

you can use a point entity placed at xyz 0 0 0 for reference on how to set up the origin brush

[carmine fern]

so.. I put the door at 0,0,0 like this? https://i.imgur.com/njYmoIr.png

[gritty forge]

its a broken function as far as I know

[carmine fern]

I see

it seems like I got it working

I'm guessing there's no way to link a property between entities is there?

[gritty forge]

wym

[carmine fern]

like

there's no way to have the origin of my rotating door, be whatever the origin of the info_null Im using to get the origin

[gritty forge]

idk lol

[ancient depot]

func_door_rotating is implemented correctly, it's just not easily usable from TrenchBroom currently

(Since, as mentioned, it has to be an origin brush)

[crisp raven]

https://dusk.mod.io/dusk-summer-jam-2021

This happened by the way

[carmine fern]

ah got it thanks

yeah it works it's just a pain to use

[rapid hedge]

do rotating doors support sound? Or would I have to trigger another entity?

[gritty forge]

no audio fx are supported

except the ones that are part of existing entities

like enemies and fire etc

[rapid hedge]

Aight cool

[gritty forge]

you could link a door to a trigger_changemusic and play the effect but it will loop and you'd have to then add a delay that starts another like ambient/silent track afterwards

and you can't obviously play the ambient music at the same time as the sound effect in that case

as you can only have one track active at a time

[rapid hedge]

Right. Thanks!

Side question: what are the attributes for trigger_changemusic? they don't seem to be defined in the fgd.

[gritty forge]

add a music key

then a path to the music

so

[rapid hedge]

Oh. easy-peasy.

[gritty forge]

add a music folder in your mod folder

music/song.ogg

and then in the music key for the func add the "music/song.ogg" path

.ogg .flac are the ones I know for a fact work

[muted glacier]

gotta love those compile times

[honest stag]

Omg disable vis

Its not even supported

[muted glacier]

i just wanted to see how long vis would take

[gritty forge]

How

[ancient depot]

I kinda wonder how fast Quake BSP tools could be with a better threading model

Right now, as far as I know, they just spin up a bunch of threads that do work on one item at a time, instead of spreading several bits of work across each thread

[gritty forge]

why can'y the mortar ammo stuff be lightproxied

at least not in the same way as the other things

they still have a coloured tint even if you make them fullbright white

[still raptor]

what is "the mortar ammo stuff"

[ancient depot]

Probably the grenades

[muted glacier]

How would you even go about changing that though? Or is that purely hypothetical?

[ancient depot]

hypothetical

I have a rough idea of how I could improve it but it's not a priority rn

SDK itself comes first

[gritty forge]

mortar ammo

[still raptor]

which variant of mortar ammo

[gritty forge]

all of the grenade items

both

as far as I can tell

[still raptor]

i can imagine the box of ammo being unable to

but the single grenades should work

[gritty forge]

it seems to be darker than it should be

all are lightproxied to be a bright white

[still raptor]

and what does it look like if you remove the lightproxy

[gritty forge]

I think the same

not sure haven't tested

just thought they looked weird

I can try it out later

[gritty forge]

2042: zombie's tools overthrow ericw's tools

[crisp raven]

Yet still waiting for func_vehicle

[gritty forge]

[muted glacier]

There's going to be a dusk mod renaissance when it comes though. As long as it works, they can take as long as they need to implement it.

[gritty forge]

EGG

[muted glacier]

Are entities Fullbright or something? I put a few trees and a barrel in and they are BRIGHT. Can this be changed to make them dark like the rest of my map?

[ancient depot]

They shouldn't be

[gritty forge]

sometimes their colours get weird

[still raptor]

And that's why we added lightproxy as a janky hack solution while things get worked out

[muted glacier]

I must be dumb because I dont know what lightproxy is.

[still raptor]

its specific to the dusk sdk

it allows you to define an entity which acts as the "proxy" for lighting on another object

so if the lighting of the object you placed isnt desirable, you can alter it with that method

this also allows you to dynamically change the color of entities

this should be a decent visualization of how that works

the tree stump here has the slider as a lightproxy

so as the slider moves up and down on that little baked RGB scale, the stump's lighting changes along with it

so in your case, you can lightproxy the trees you wanted to be darker to an entity that would be getting dark lighting

[gritty forge]

does not work on brush entities, but brush entities can be the proxy

yeah but that's because point entities have one color while brush entities have a whole light map on them

[gritty forge]

welp

wasted 20 min of trying to make something because the SDK is cursed

essentially, the doors work properly when manually opened and closed but completely dont when using triggers

(I have a door with an identical configuration on another location using the same triggers and it works)

lightproxy gang

[still raptor]

hahaha yeah i had hoped someone would do that

bake off-map rooms to achieve specific colors

until we have a way to lightmap point entities, its the best we can do really

[nocturne mirage]

okay, its been a while since ive posted but, are there any introductory tutorials on modding dusk maps out there?

been wanting to get into it for a while

[crisp raven]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2298392941

From the pinned messages

[gritty forge]

video guide when rewrite comes out

[gritty forge]

also

my map is even more cursed

parenting stuff completely broke for a while when I was using it so I had to revert the changes

and now one of my water sections doesnt work in an area

even though it's configured like it was before and then it worked

[crisp raven]

What's wrong with the water section?

[gritty forge]

turns into air for a small part

then back to water

also to any dev: does light-proxying an enemy help with performance at all? Considering they are normally dynamically lit by surrounding lights

[crisp raven]

Are you using water skip on a func_water?

Cause that'll do it

[gritty forge]

nope just regular skip

it works on crimson cesspool

and used to work on that map

[muted glacier]

oh boy. Gonna have to look up videos about light proxy tutorials. should be great fun.

[muted glacier]

Any chance you could send me the .map file for this to look at the sliders properties?

[ancient depot]

No, because they're still dynamically lit. It just changes the location they sample their lighting from

[gritty forge]

Ah alright

@still raptor I want that map too

[honest stag]

I thought you guys already lightproxy stuff

[gritty forge]

Yes but not w brushes

[crimson patrol]

teaser of me remaking station's scenery

[gritty forge]

the day I'll be able add audio to stuff to hear switches being flicked in my levels and then hear door squeaking and stuff will be a glorious day

also

how do I replace the alert sound for the fork maiden? The one in the files is the old wheeze sound and I can't seem to find the current "I see you" one

[gritty forge]

func_poo when

[muted glacier]

thats hot.

[gritty forge]

the day we get actual ambience will be awesome

[gritty forge]

also fun fact

something I just discovered

if you select all points of a brush with the vertex tool and move the brush it will move around like with the regular select tool but the texture applied to the brush will be "unlocked" regardless of whether you have the texture lock option on or off

[ancient depot]

Might be worth making an issue on GitHub if you think that might be a bug

https://github.com/kduske/TrenchBroom/issues/

[honest stag]

I dont think that's a bug

at least it doesn't sound like one

[muted glacier]

So, possible dumb question, but if I was looking to make a mod that allowed health regeneration, what scripting language would I have to use?

[gritty forge]

@honest stag its not intentional for sure

[honest stag]

When you move a single vertex the texture is unlocked right

I think you can see why

[gritty forge]

yeah I guess

but it could still be considered unintentional if you select all vertexes

as its identical to just selecting the brush

[honest stag]

I guess

Just pointless

[gritty forge]

I mean it's completely dependent on what the TB devs think really

[sharp trail]

Scripting doesn't exist rn

it will exist in the future

[muted glacier]

@sharp trail

[sharp trail]

yes

oh right

[gritty forge]

C# unity modding

there's plenty of mods for unity games and there's plenty of guides on how to do it

pick up bepinex and some other tools & a dozen youtube tutorials

[still raptor]

personally not a fan of bepin

there are better ways

[gritty forge]

yeah there are other options

[gritty forge]

anyone who can playtest my level and stream it on discord

or record a video

[muted glacier]

Okay thanks! From what i understand, C# isnt the hardest language. Never heard of bepinex. You have any suggestions @still raptor ?

[nocturne mirage]

Whats the highest you can go in making a map

[gritty forge]

to the height limit

which is very high

[gritty forge]

p high

[sacred bolt]

Higher than the destructive effects climate change will have on this planet

Those who played the jam maps

Do you have any feedback on the maps?

[gritty forge]

@high magnet also how did you make the basketball thing work for the boss arena

[high magnet]

What thing? There's no script associated with the bball so whatever happened was probably a coincidence

[gritty forge]

Oh so how does the arena start?

just when you walk toward the center?

@high magnet

[high magnet]

Yeah there's a func_trigger in the field

[gritty forge]

o

I threw and ball and right as it touched the goal it started

so I was confused cause I was sure that was something that you’d need to script

[crimson patrol]

im trying to make a hill rn, its not easy

is there anyway to select loads of things at once?

say i wanna select all the circled grid instantly is there any way to do that

woah i found a method

woohoo

[rapid crown]

Hey guys what's the best way to view Dusk models and anims?

[next bear]

question

is it possible to load custom maps in the gog version?

[gritty forge]

I’m pretty much ready to release my new map so if anyone would like to playtest it and record/stream it for me I could release it today

[crisp raven]

Let me

[gritty forge]

sure can you call me on private and stream?

[crisp raven]

Anything 4 u

[gritty forge]

[crisp raven]

Maybe it would be easier to do it in the secret jam server

[gritty forge]

oki

[gritty forge]

https://dusk.mod.io/cannibal-ridge

is out

please consider leaving a like on it too it helps alot with motivation :)

[crimson patrol]

Thats sick dude

[muted glacier]

Pretty sure ctrl+click is the only way? Might be wrong though.

[crimson patrol]

If you make a brush that has other brushes inside, pressing ctrl T will select all the brushes inside the new one, then delete the new one

[muted glacier]

Terrain is the most tedious part, but probably my favorite to do.

[crimson patrol]

Terrain is most certainly tedious, that goldsrc grid technique is hard to master

When its done it'll look sick though

Its inspired by a biking trail i went on a few weeks ago, that place has nice terrain

[crimson patrol]

You better start using this rather than selecting manually

Otherwise I'll snap your legs to the grid

[muted glacier]

Yeah, selecting each point is rather painful. Convinced ive gone crazy AND have arthritis.

[foggy creek]

What the point of the textures with the "_n." prefix after their name?

[gritty forge]

also just a heads up: if you have all my maps downloaded and activated you can play this one and the other maps will link up afterwards :) should be a 50 min to 1.5 hr experience or so.

[alpine depot]

@gritty forge is there supposed to be something in the yellow door cabin right after the arena

[gritty forge]

@alpine depot there is a climbing powerup

In there

[alpine depot]

its not there

i think reloading a save fucks it up

because of course it does

[gritty forge]

yeah

LOL

Rip

Just noclip up the cliff

[alpine depot]

getting real fuckin annoyed with this sdk

all the cool maps get fucked over because of its issues

god that was so good

almost didnt notice the second switch in the freezer of the house before the warehouse

then got lost and didnt see that the hatch for the upstairs of the warehouse was opened so i was looking down at the ground for a bit lmao

[crisp raven]

The n stands for normal map I believe but I don't think it has an affect within TB

[foggy creek]

they don't really look like normal maps tho

[gritty forge]

1. ctrl + f

2. set before: specific date to a year ago

3. cry

[gritty forge]

god

I remember that we didnt have the fgd for a long time

although I was lucky enough to join the mapping community right as it was being made

[ancient depot]

They were actually used as normal maps at one point

Will probably remove them from the SDK later since they serve no purpose now

[tranquil mulch]

Do you mind if I steal a copy of this for use in Cybergrind on Ultrakill?

[foggy creek]

I mean I got it off google images so...

[gritty forge]

I want to play the pre alpha map ;-;

never got to try it

rip

[ancient depot]

It's included with the game

In the goodies folder

[tranquil mulch]

I'll take that as a yes then.

[gritty forge]

how do I launch it though

[ancient depot]

Just open the exe

[gritty forge]

o

its an exe

got it

thought it was some map file

lol

was gonna be*

[ancient depot]

Right click DUSK in Steam -> Manage -> Browse local files
Navigate to goodies -> pre pre pre pre pre pre etc alpha

[gritty forge]

this

played the E3 demo

lol

that was so interesting

[jagged oyster]

Anyone know why i cant drag dusk.wad into trenchbroom

[gritty forge]

When I drag the wad into the face tab (like in the video) it has a 🚫 cursor and doesn't do anything
Am I missing something?
Ok I've got it - you expand the Texture Collections panel at the bottom and drag it in there

[jagged oyster]

thanks man

[muted glacier]

Just played the pre pre pre alpha. Pretty dope. found 5 out of 6 secrets because I just blazed through the level. But the menu background was cool af

[bold orbit]

Normal Maps? In MY quakelike?

[gritty forge]

@gritty forge where's the switch to open this door?? cant find it

bruh

Look on the picture

oh my fucking god i'm blind

im going to try to record the map on my 2nd playthrough

its gonna be nuked footage though since i cant record without absolute shit fps

1st time i tried to record the starting area had like 10 fps

ooof

runs okay normally?

yeah it runs alright normally

I'll make a small patch this week

might light up some switches while im at it

maps like these make me wonder when we'll finally get vis

[gritty forge]

vis

what

whats that @gritty forge

vis tells the game what should and shouldn't be rendered

there should be an image reference around here somewhere

O also

coulf you upvote the map if you liked it

dont have to tho

yeah sure

[tranquil mulch]

Alright @gritty forge I'm looking up Trenchbroom.
Which file on Github is it I need?

[gritty forge]

woohoo

[gritty forge]

should be win64 release.7z

make sure you're looking at the latest one

[tranquil mulch]

ty

Latest stable, yeh.

There is a pre-release, but.. nah.

I cannot use it.

I do not own any of the games needed to compile the files, lol.

[gritty forge]

get quake and then quakespasm

worth it anyway

[plush hemlock]

what is a trenchboom

[honest stag]

you dont need any

[tranquil mulch]

I'll have to research more into it tomorrow and then play around with it. Too tired tonight. Thanks for the input though, all.

Also, @plush hemlock Trenchbroom is a mapping program for game development, afaik. Others here will be able to tell you more than I can.

[plush hemlock]

oh, you can make quake maps with it? cool

[crimson patrol]

Heres a playlist of trenchbroom guides from dumptruck ds, they will help you get started https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgDKRPte5Y0AZ_K_PZbWbgBAEt5xf74aE

[long anchor]

Found a really good level design breakdown video:
https://youtu.be/8cEccZCPamA

i know it's not exactly the type of thing ppl do in Dusk, but i think you still can learn i few useful tricks here

[crimson patrol]

I'm watching this

[tranquil mulch]

I'll watch both of those after I wake up and can actually retain knowledge, lol. Thanks!

[crimson patrol]

oh shid i forgot to watch the level design bideo

[high magnet]

I forgor

[crimson patrol]

ok ive watched it

thats quite interesting

[shy oyster]

v1 mod maybe?

[gritty forge]

[crimson patrol]

❕

[muted glacier]

Ive been in a bit of a depression this last week, so i havent done any map work at all. Hoping to find some motivation after work tomorrow.

[crisp raven]

Stay strong brother ✊

[crimson patrol]

not done but the rework is shaping up

i already like this more than the previous iteration

[honest stag]

sick as fuck

[warm isle]

AYOOOO

Looks awesome dude!!!

[crimson patrol]

Special thanks to:
Goldsrc terrain grid technique (invented in ancient times)

[high magnet]

aka triangle soup method

[halcyon solar]

Looks very noysh

[crimson patrol]

triangle soup is great just look at the file size

already half of the previous iteration

[tardy belfry]

super dumb newbie question but do i need quake for trenchbroom or is there a workaround for dusk?

[ancient depot]

Nope, you don't need Quake. Check out this guide: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2298392941

[tardy belfry]

ah i see i slipped over a line i just set it as the folder for some reason lmfao

[quick silo]

Playing as a tomboy is a big plus for me.

[burnt haven]

Would demo recording be possible with the sdk?

[ancient depot]

Most likely not

Demos are a very complicated feature to implement correctly

[burnt haven]

Rip Dusk speed demos archive

[ancient depot]

They're not completely off the table, but I wouldn't hold my breath for them

[still raptor]

its funny because that was originally a planned feature for base dusk

but was very very quickly cut

[gritty forge]

Unity doesn't like that

[high magnet]

Didn't it involve random seeds?

[still raptor]

yes

[gritty forge]

Could not parse clipboard contents: Expected '(' or ')', but got string (raw data: 'classname') [line 3, column 1]

how do I fix this when I try to copy paste brushes from my world to another

[honest stag]

Are you copying from a different format maybe

valve -> standard or vice versa

[gritty forge]

oooo

yea thats it

can I change map format on my new map?

[honest stag]

Yea you can convert formats

hold on I'll write how

so first of all go into the folder with your qbsp.exe and drop your .map there
in the address bar type cmd
in the command prompt type the following
qbsp.exe mymap.map -convert quake(or valve, quake2 and any other TB supported format)
i think this should do it (it also helps sometimes when you corrupt your map by accident)

[gritty forge]

how can I see what format my other maps are

I forgot

nvm

got it fixed

thx dad

[honest stag]

💀

[high magnet]

I borgor👽

[gritty forge]

so

I have an issue where I get like

small bright "hotspots" of light in certain corners of my map whenever I place a light down

it's not supposed to be the way it is

I usually use lights that fade out smoothly but further out I get these very concentrated spots that have no reason to exit

I even tried removing the skybox lights and everything, it happens regardless of whether I use sky light or regular light points

example

the light on the bottom is supposed to be there. It's part of the area in direct "line of sight" for the sun

but those spots should not be lit up

[ancient depot]

Light leaks are the worst

[gritty forge]

any ideas for fixes?

[ancient depot]

Unfortunately not

[gritty forge]

it's really bothering me

:(

what causes it

[ancient depot]

Though I'm not a mapper so

You could try moving the whole map closer to 0,0,0 I guess, it could be a floating point inaccuracy or something

[still raptor]

light leaks be like

[gritty forge]

uhhh

this hasn't happened to me before

would it be possible to like, copy over the map content into a new project?

or is it an issue with the level itself

[ancient depot]

The level itself, if it's indeed floating point inaccuracy

Try looking at the brushes furthest out in your map

What are their coordinates?

The further things are from 0,0,0, the more likely inaccuracies get

[gritty forge]

Well I have made lots of like, rocky and sloped surfaces in the map and I'm not sure if everything is connected seamlessly, like, in game there's no indicator of that but in editor there may be areas where brushes overlap etc, but I haven't had any issues with that before

the map itself is quite large but not as big as some others I've made

and I did center the map around 0 0 0

well, I moved it now but it was close before too

[ancient depot]

You could try moving it so that one specific area is closer to 0,0,0

[gritty forge]

oh, well I get it in several areas

[ancient depot]

How big is the map?

it might not be floating point

[gritty forge]

roughly 11000x11000

lol

[ancient depot]

ok maybe it is lol

[gritty forge]

5400 tall

[ancient depot]

you could try cutting out that area into a new map (or copy the map and delete everything else) and see if it still happens

that'd help narrow it down

[gritty forge]

well

the map is one large room

room is a bad word to decribe it but that's essentially what it is in practise I guess

it's a cave

[ancient depot]

hmm

[gritty forge]

and it has a hole in the ceiling where natural light comes in

[ancient depot]

try putting "bounce" "-1" on the water brushes

[gritty forge]

like so?

didnt do anything

:(

I did convert the map into valve format but I think I had the issue before

But maybe I misremember, could that cause some issue possibly?

[ancient depot]

Not that I can think of

Guess you could try adding some invisible walls that block lights

In the hopes that it'd prevent the light leaks

[gritty forge]

yeah, it's literal black magic

my sun angle is set to point straight down

0 -90 0

and I get light points in the water with the same colour and brightness as the sky light but here's the thing:

these spots are UNDER other brushes

so the sun doesn't even have a direct line towards that area

yeah, even blocked the hole where the sky light comes from and removed the skybox textures

still had those spots

[ancient depot]

nani

[desert crane]

WHOMST

[ancient depot]

some rando joined and pinged your role lol

[honest stag]

Hi