if that works to implement
#dusk-modding
gritty forge
honest stag
duuude yes
that would be very very useful
ancient depot
That's being implemented in order to match campaign functionality
honest stag
i can feel the tumor slowly going away
ancient depot
lmao
gritty forge
yeah
honestly the more campaign matching features the better
is it not possible to add boss bars to regular enemies?
I tried adding a bossname key to one
didnt work
:/
ancient depot
Yeah bossname is for changing the name of an existing boss bar, not adding one
gritty forge
thank god
gritty forge
me waiting for scripting
muted glacier
That would be so much easier than the shit I have to do 
gritty forge
That would be so much easier than the shit I have to do <:laugh:7229555640403231...
what do you do
muted glacier
Basically, Ill have a trigger that can activate multiple times with a message on it in a place where theres an item you can look at, and you can make it go away by also having an invisible button on the item youre looking at, if you want to make it an item you can pick up. Technically, youre still able to activate the trigger no matter what direction you look, but it still gives the illusion of being able to look at something with your cursor and get messages.
Plenty of examples in my test map vid. But the setup for it is alittle convoluted and ridiculous. And ive got it as compact as possible for the time being.
honest stag
gotta say it's pretty damn sick
muted glacier
Thanks dude. Tomorrow Im starting work back up on my main map, because I took like a week off (should probably come up with a name soon). Should be eventful.
desert crane
https://imgur.com/gallery/F97KzhP
BRUH
honest stag
lmao i dont even fuckin care anymore
honest stag
that shit made my compiling time jump SIGNIFICANTLY (obviously) even tho it was a func_detail
so it's gone now i guess
crisp raven
But not forgotten 😢
crimson patrol
lmao i dont even fuckin care anymore
Make that a texture bro
last talon
lmao i dont even fuckin care anymore
christ dude 
muted glacier
lmao i dont even fuckin care anymore
You're gonna have to pay the Triangle Toll for that one boyo 
honest stag
muted glacier
Your lighting looks so good. What is your levels default brightness before you add your point lights?
honest stag
i dont have a default brightness - i go with sunlight and sunlight2 right off the bat
but thank you
the current primary sunlight level is 240 cuz my gf was complaining that the level is too dark
so i bumped it up from uhhh 180 i think? or 210
sunlight2 is much lower obviously - only 140
my current point light levels(the majority of them) are actually at a level lower than the sunlight (or moonlight in my case lmao), sitting at 210
crimson patrol
If your LEVEL isn't 16 BY 16KM end to end, its not a real level
Stay :clap: woke :clap:
honest stag
does it count if i reached the tb limit (actual limit, not soft bounds) in an unreleased map
honest stag
crimson patrol
Fake
honest stag
is it tho
crimson patrol
Maybe real
honest stag
my current playable area right now is at 8000x6000 units
honest stag
well let's be real most of it will be un-enterable buildings or decorations
but still
crimson patrol
Oh shit
honest stag
im in tb anyway
crimson patrol
Nah I can test it on me own
Ima be on after I eat this cabbage
Anyway, can a group of func pushables function as one?
honest stag
is it a massive full cabbage
crimson patrol
Its a full unseasonal cabbage
honest stag
you can probably do it the same way as a func_door consisting of multiple brushes but who knows
crimson patrol
I'm just taking bites out of it
honest stag
that's so based
crimson patrol
Anyway
I asking because maybe I can make a more dynamic train section using func doors and pushables
The pushables being trains
honest stag
i have 77 .map files in my id1 maps folder and i've reached the point where im trying to find an old map of mine and i literally cant
crimson patrol
I have this really old map file from when I first started to learn trenchbroom
Its literally older than my stay on this server
honest stag
god daym
high magnet
Literally as big as I could get the sky brushes
muted glacier
If your LEVEL isn't 16 BY 16KM end to end, its not a real level
Stay :clap: woke...
That would end up having to be the least detailed map ever If i wanted to actually do terrain.
high magnet
I'm considering expanding it to add to the skyline
crimson patrol
That would end up having to be the least detailed map ever If i wanted to actual...
I mean having 16 by 16km of scenery
honest stag
i think i've made this joke before
anyway this is how i still entertain myself when mapping
high magnet
tank go brrrrr
high magnet
let her
But only after sending me your map so I can pass it off as mine after your death
gritty forge
func_vehicle pls
honest stag
i promise - when we get func_vehicle i am going to make every single vehicle prop i made drivable
high magnet
i promise - when we get func_vehicle i am going to make every single vehicle pro...
Hell yeah
I hope it's work with planes too
crimson patrol
i made a car in trenchbroom to test pushables
muted glacier
I dont even know what pushables are 🤢
gritty forge
you know those crates in office complex
muted glacier
Yeah
muted glacier
Hmm so what, a brush that you can move around that isnt an entity?
sharp trail
i made a car in trenchbroom to test pushables
it looks Jurendez
gritty forge
yea think so
still raptor
yeah pretty much its just pushable brush entity
muted glacier
Coolio. Might mess around with them later when I hop on.
muted glacier
XD
muted glacier
Did you have 2 buttons targeting each other, but delayed to function like a repeater? Because that is an instant crash
crimson patrol
hmmm
i cant enter the car
lemme try something
OK I've experimented a bit and pushables are weird
You can't pass through them with nbclip
muted glacier
Ohhhhh were you going to make a Flintstones car?
muted glacier
@worldly aspen I got bored and started making a scenery level for "The Lights Live" 
muted glacier
what can I say? his art looked pretty awesome, and Ive been thinking about this one for the past week. I had to make it. Gives me major Siren Head vibes.
worldly aspen
<@!214906122572791818> I got bored and started making a scenery level for "The L...
Yo sick! Keep me posted or hit me up if you have any questions!
muted glacier
Are there any type of wall that the player has collision with that enemies do not?
honest stag
i made a car in trenchbroom to test pushables
brrrrr
honest stag
<@!214906122572791818> I got bored and started making a scenery level for "The L...
dude that looks fuckin sick lol
muted glacier
Thanks. I forgot to turn on lense flares for the picture, but it looks good. Ive tweaked the lighting since I took the sc anyway. I spent my night problem solving ideas I had, burning myself out in the process
Trying to figure out how to make a window barrier system like Call of duty zombies, because I want to make a tower defense- like gamemode.
gritty forge
god that'd be awesome
muted glacier
First thing im stuck on is windows, and how to prevent the player from just leaving the map. Which, I could just put a damage volume outside the windows, but I want to make something technical, so that its as close to the original experience. But the player hitbox is shorter than leatherneck's so Ive got to find a work around.
worldly aspen
It might not look great, but even the first Episode of Dusk would enclose the play area with a huge flat texture wall. You could put it behind the outer perimeter of houses.
honest stag
First thing im stuck on is windows, and how to prevent the player from just leav...
func_clip?
if it blocks enemeis - put a trigger_teleport on the other side
so they teleport in when approaching the windows
muted glacier
Holy shit Vriska. No homo, I love you. Absolutely brilliant. Ill have to test it tomorrow after work
honest stag
one thing tho - it may cause projectile guns to loop around
but you could layer the teleports to prevent that too
lemme draw
@muted glacier
that way projectiles can leave and monsters can go in
while the player cant leave because of the func_clip
about that window system - you could have a "map" in the level with buttons that raise temporary func_breakables on the walls and only unlock if you've killed enough enemies (trigger_counter)
could have a system of "points" that allows you to put up 1 barricade in one of the spots and closes the buttons when you select one option
with each "wave" only starting after you've put up a barricade
sounds very much plausible, but tedious to set up
gritty forge
oh yeah the jank is real
crimson patrol
OK pushables are jank dont use them outside of props
muted glacier
<@!293550821797527552>
Hehe. Now this, for every window 
honest stag
exatly lol
still raptor
this is a great technical drawing
muted glacier
Ive got a technical drawing that i drew in MS paint while trying to figure out the pathing for the dynamite setup to work, and it looks like the ramblings of a mad man.
And I COULD do that, but thats too easy
muted glacier
you guys do map layout drawings?
honest stag
so a little story about that
my first uhhh decent map consisted of like 7 small rooms and took me fuckin forever to make because anytime i would think "i should move on and make the next room" i didnt know what to do and kept detaling the previous room
so it would result in fully completed 2-3 rooms and literally nothing else
so since then i strictly make the rough layout first and then start mapping
and drawing is easier than making it in TB
muted glacier
Yeah thats the wall I ran into on my first map. Once I did the secret with the Wolfenstein theme, I didnt know what to do with the rest of the map because I wanted to continue the Wolfenstein theme. Might just make a castle wolfenstein level, and actually draw it out in advance.
honest stag
i feel that
which is why i open up paint and go wild with it
lets you overview the whole thing and make quick changes too
i made a vending machine in that same map that had 7 rooms
took a long time but yeah the map itself didnt excuse it
muted glacier
So wait. You can replace enemy models? So I could theoretically replace the fish (I dont remember his name, but the achievement was "somebody's poisoned the waterhole". ) model with dopefish if I were so inclined?
Because if so, how does that work for dusk.io? Can you package the mod with your level so that when people play that model is also changed?
{I want to say the fish was named Nopefish}
ionic belfry
So this might be stupid but I'm having trouble getting the dusk.wad into trenchbroom
the tutorial I found just says to drag it into the editor but it's not letting me do that for some reason
ionic belfry
ah
ionic belfry
thanks you're a lifesaver
ionic belfry
wow that was extremely easy and I am very dumb
crimson patrol
Sums up my trenchbroom experience ^
thick condor
is there any other program you can use to mod dusk or is trenchbroom all there is?
gritty forge
trenchbroom is for levels
you use it to basically make quake maps which dusk uses as levels
theres plenty of other quake map level editors
but trenchbroom is the best
honest stag
Because if so, how does that work for dusk.io? Can you package the mod with your...
if you check out mod.io you can already find a bunch of enemy model repalcements
90% of which are by me because nobody else wants to fuck with the process of actually replacing the model it seems
muted glacier
90% of which are by me because nobody else wants to fuck with the process of act...
What program do you use to make models to replace existing models?
honest stag
blender with an .iqm exporter
i have a video explaining how to do it
it's a bit shit but yea
muted glacier
You got a link you can dm me to the vid?
worldly aspen
blender with an .iqm exporter
WHAT IS THAT LINK ME NOW please
honest stag
worldly aspen
I just wish I could add instead of replace. 😦
muted glacier
Well for the time being, as like a placeholder, you could replace something like a leatherneck with your gravel jack model to see how it looks right? @worldly aspen
honest stag
i actually dont think we can replace leathernecks lol
some models are an exceprion
exception
muted glacier
Well from watching your video, you can use a rat, which isnt something I would use much in a level themed like his anyway, so that would be perfect. But how does the hit box work? If I use a rat, does it still have a tiny hitbox regardless of the model?
honest stag
it's the same default skybox as the original
muted glacier
Hm. Then youd have to replace something with a larger hitbox.
A scientist or a priestess maybe
Come to think of it, i should do that for my zombie map that Im trying to make. Make a scientist look like a zombie.
honest stag
hell yea that's a pretty damn good idea
muted glacier
Ive got a problem though. I cant block a window with func_clip because enemies wont walk towards the trigger_teleport.
honest stag
you can make a zombie dog and replace the goat with it
muted glacier
They cant path towards the window because it looks like a wall to them. Unless theres some trick I dont know
honest stag
so considering the bug with the navmeshes where enemeis dont update them - could you parent it to a door that lowers down at the start of the level and pull them all down
that way maybe the enemis still consider the func_clip as not being there
muted glacier
Oooooooh thats an idea i didnt think of. Come to think of it, i think i utilized that on another map i did, and thats why I thought they could just walk through.
muted glacier
So i whipped together alittle Alpha of the window barrier. obviously I have to make the boards going up animated and smooth, and since enemies cant trigger triggers, barriers will automatically degrade over time and fall to the ground a piece at a time. Ive also got to find a way to get them to idle near the window when the boards go up so that it looks like they are breaking the boards. There wont be a button on the side, but it will be more like my workbench project, where it says "press 'E' to rebuild barrier" or something along those lines, and an invisible button, so you can just look at the window. Rant over.
honest stag
wont the invisible button block bullets?
muted glacier
hmm. an unforseen dilemma. might make it at like waist height, or somewhere not in the way of where you would shoot. Ill have to iron out the kinks, but I wanted to make sure the door itself worked first.
muted glacier
thanks. I made them for a project, and never used them, so they were just sitting off in the void on another map.
perhaps ill make the button to rebuild the barrier on the front face of the sandbags, because youre obviously not going to shoot the bags, but over them
honest stag
so are you still going with the teleports or is it ok for them to walk through the sandbags?
muted glacier
next comes "animating" the wood with some parent trickery. and he technically is teleporting, but not to the right place. I just wanted to see if he could actually target me through the func_clip. He'll teleport on top of the sandbag to make it look like hes stepping over it.
honest stag
ah awesome
muted glacier
actually, I just lied. He cant. when I move the teleport position to the top of the sandbags, he just teleports to the ground below them. and if he can, he gets stuck on top of them because enemies cant drop off ledges like that.
I can make an invisible ramp that he has to walk up on the inside of the window though'
so that when he teleports, it looks like hes hopping down
honest stag
that would be pretty nice
would he teleport from the sandbags down then?
wouldnt that affect the boards? since they could be teleported too
muted glacier
ill check. i dont think so though, because those are parented to the invisible wall itself
honest stag
they should still be affected, but i guess you need to check
muted glacier
The best I can do for the time being. Im super tired. Ill pick this up tomorrow. https://imgur.com/Xz5RLt0
honest stag
lighting is fun change my mind
high magnet
I tweak a wait value by 0.25 and my room goes from being dimmer than a motherfucker to being fullbright
And all of that with like 5 minutes in the compiler
Actually
honest stag
did you check the dumptruck_ds video on wait/delay
with a demonstration
that image isnt very reliable
high magnet
Is it?
high magnet
Ok I'll look
muted glacier
Hold on. I know what wait does for lights. What does Delay do?
muted glacier
Oh my god. Thats revolutionary. I didnt know that was a thing. I hated messing with lights because I thought wait was the only property.
honest stag
Again - speaking from experience this image doesn't really show the effects properly
dumptruck has a video on lights that explains this a bit better
honest stag
said fuck it and optimised my map
remember how i showed a screenshot where it took me literally 640 seconds to compile?
same light settings
the problem were my fuckin hills
i realised i had a LOT of faces that are completely unseen by the player, and i cant seal the map with the full effect because of how i design it right now
so i went around and manually put a skip texture on every single face that cant be seen
and holy shit it helped so much
and i can probably optimise it even harder but good enough for now
makes me miss indoor maps
it was so much easier to seal them
honest stag
of course
gritty forge
honest stag
yeah it was pretty obvious in hindsight huh
gritty forge
agghhhhhh
honest stag
i didnt stop there tho
i also did that with everything else i could find
so yeah i guess im super into optimisation now
isnt there a way to see how many faces use a certain texture?
or am i misremembering things
gritty forge
i think there is
honest stag
or at least i can select all the faces with that tex
gritty forge
right click in face tab
high magnet
ngl that's some pretty sexy rock formations
honest stag
thank u
it's now up to 755 skipped faces
this makes me really appreciate what map sealing does
3 seconds down
compiling speedrun
high magnet
Anyway I'm gonna try lighting my map again today
honest stag
hm it seems i am fuckin stupid
turns out i used -soft instead of -extra4 and didnt realise
and -soft looks much worse than -extra4
-soft compiles super fast, while -extra4 is uh
taking a while
straight up 10x
gritty forge
jesus christ
honest stag
it's still faster than what it used to be but jesus
i need a decent pc and not a laptop
gritty forge
i wonder what the map jam theme will be
crisp raven
i wonder what the map jam theme will be
Existentialist thought through the 20th century
honest stag
essay jam
high magnet
Existentialist thought through the 20th century
The theme will be "Kafkaesque"
Actually that could be pretty good
honest stag
we already had nightmares
high magnet
Level is an office job and instead of killing baddies you do stupid paperwork
alpine depot
ok why are only half of the textures loading
muted glacier
was from tri-soup terrain?
Have i been summoned?
honest stag
ok why are only half of the textures loading
we figured this out, turns out it was spaces in the texture names
thank god we had this prolbem before or this would have caused another 2 hour dm brainstorm
alpine depot
this happened in the original ultrakill bootleg map in the winter jam
it just KEEPS HAPPENING
long anchor
high magnet
I considered having a recreation of Bridgeburner as a secret in my map
Way too much of a hastle though
Guaranteed I would've run into the same issue
gritty forge
ok why are only half of the textures loading
putting that closed beta access to good use i see
alpine depot
guys i think im modding for the wrong game
alpine depot
just a finishing touch, of course
crimson patrol
Ultrakeel
onyx hatch
crude owl
muted glacier
Are patrol routes for enemies going to be a feature in a future update of the SDK, or is that not planned? @ancient depot
crisp raven
Even in the campaign enemies didn't patrol.
honest stag
hey
a guy can dream
muted glacier
Anyone want to see progress on my zombie wave-based survival? Getting all the kinks ironed out. Since I havent found a way to make a point system, guns are going to be purchasable after you get a certain amount of kills. Havent added that yet though.
honest stag
i'll check it out if you want
also
@crisp raven dont you think this fine lad deserves an early invite to the jam server
crisp raven
Kidnapped and brought to our secret base of operations
honest stag
sick, that's what i like to hear
velvet oxide
so what are some good Dusk mods to play
crimson patrol
Detail trees is a really good mod
honest stag
pretty much most of the custom maps are a good choice
there arnet that many total anyway
velvet oxide
how does one mod Dusk?
crimson patrol
The highlights are downtown showdown and that other map by the same guy
velvet oxide
is there like a level editor
honest stag
deepends on the type of mod you want to make
we're using a 3rd party level edtior
called Trenchbroom
it's supposed to be for quake (among other games) but yeah
you can also use hammer or J.A.CK if you feel like it
velvet oxide
well Dusk runs on quake
honest stag
basically anything that can result in a quake/half life .bsp file in the end
velvet oxide
yeah because I very much enjoy the Dusk level design
crimson patrol
Not all entities work in dusk sdk
crimson patrol
Such examples are func_train
Even I don't know what it does
Vriska what does func train do
honest stag
basically it's not 100% complete so we dont have some of the features quake or half life do
it's somethings that moves back and forth iirc
or continously as an option but i may be wrong
like in a set path
velvet oxide
can you make a moving train level like in Blood
crimson patrol
Yea were rambling
If you want a good guide to start making custom levels, check out dumptruck_ds
crimson patrol
ancient depot
Are patrol routes for enemies going to be a feature in a future update of the SD...
It's not explicitly planned at the moment, but we can look into it at some point
velvet oxide
oh cool
crimson patrol
He has a playlist with guides, check him out to get started
velvet oxide
thank you guys
i've been looking to mod quake for a while now
is it anything like Slade Doom Editor
velvet oxide
so people make TCs or just maps
because i was thinking it would be fun to make a Redneck Rampage TC
muted glacier
Mostly maps. I know somebody in here has been trying to convert over Doom levels, but its not exactly the most intuitive process, and I dont know how any of that works. The SDK is in early stages still, so some features arent available. A redneck rampage tc into dusk would be awesome, but i dont know what format their levels use or what their geometry is like.
honest stag
converting doom levels results in an absolute monstrocity
high magnet
Sorry for being out of the loop but does vis work in the sdk yet?
ancient depot
Not currently
The foundations to support it are in the next patch, but vis support itself will likely come after
high magnet
Damn
ancient depot
vis and light styles are basically the most complex parts to support
high magnet
I'm in the process of lighting up my map and the game is beginning to chug a bit
muted glacier
@high magnet does your level look anything like this?
alpine depot
i wonder, can you set an entity's parent to the player?
does info_player_start support targetname?
could do some really funky stuff if its possible
high magnet
<@335329492635484160> does your level look anything like this?
More like how Quake maps do lighting
high magnet
is it anything like Slade Doom Editor
You mean modding or map making?
muted glacier
More like how Quake maps do lighting
Let me know if you somehow achieve the illusion of a flickering light.
ancient depot
does info_player_start support `targetname`?
info_player_start isn't actually the player itself, just a location for the player to spawn at
so you can't do any fancy entity tricks with it
think of it like a teleport location
alpine depot
yeah i figured
ancient depot
parenting stuff to the player is an interesting idea though
I wonder if I could somehow expose the player entity
alpine depot
i was thinking more along the lines of having parentname set to whatever the name of the player gameobject is in unity
assuming thats how that works or something
ancient depot
yeah I was thinking I could make *player lead to the player entity
similar to how the brush models embedded in a BSP are known as *0, *1, *2, ...
the main issue is that I'm not really sure how that'd work for multiplayer
alpine depot
mmmm very nice so far
god DAMN i love massive fucking structures
also for once my eyes are burning because of bloom
ancient depot
It feels so wrong to see ultrakill textures on lightmapped geometry
alpine depot
lol i know right
going crazy over this one particular shadow
just so SATISFYING
just gotta finetune this damn sun
i gotta get it juuuust right
alpine depot
uh
what the fuck does this mean lmao
i effectively deleted my entire map and then it only freezes on light rather than throwing that error
uhhhh
yeah so bruteforcing doesnt seem to work
gritty forge
send the crash log
alpine depot
it doesnt show anything useful
alpine depot
OH
MY
FUCKING
GOD
I SET ONE OF THE SKYBOX BRUSHES TO BE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT TEXTURE
SO IT WAS YELLING AT ME ABOUT THE SKYBOX
i am filled with so much vitriol right now
this is the stupidest thing ive ever done
muted glacier
Oof
muted glacier
anybody know how to divide a skybox png? Ive had this picture and have tried to free-hand it, but it ends up off in game
high magnet
Yeah
muted glacier
damn. ill have to find a way to not fat-finger free handing it. i didnt know if there was a program I could slap it into
high magnet
damn. ill have to find a way to not fat-finger free handing it. i didnt know if ...
idk what image editing software you use but there's probably some indicator of the size of you selection
If you can match it to the size of the top and bottom squares it should be good
muted glacier
Ive got photoshop, but adobe had an update so Im still waiting on it. Tried to free hand it with MS Paint
muted glacier
thanks. Ill try that
gritty forge
oohhh what the fuck i just went into strissel's toolbox map and this is making my 2 braincells hurty
muted glacier
Just some Dusk black magic
gritty forge
wtf is linked to what 
honest stag
let me take an educated guess
the shotgun itself consists of 3 func_doors (or parented entities) and a barrel with fire that are controlled by a func_button at the table, WHICH is blocked by another button that only lowers when the 3 parts have been "collected"?
and the parts are a trigger_counter that lowers the button
at least that's how i would do it
if a multi_manager is involved it makes it easier
and the shotgun rises with a parented door too
did i get it right?
muted glacier
yeah. pretty much. the only complications come in when you have a button that you press ( that is parented to the message trigger and the item you pick up), you need to also have a func_clip wall blocking you, because when a button is moving at a speed of 10000, and youre touching it, it sucks you out of bounds with it. I didnt use multi manager because I have no clue how to, but you pretty much got everything else. any minor issues came from having to make sure the player cant just press the button to pick up the shotgun from the start.
also had to deal with the struggle of not knowing that you cant parent a button to a button. That took me far to long to figure out.
honest stag
oh dude you gotta lears multi_manager it makes some complicated sequences soooo much easier
it's easy to use too
i'll give you a rundown in a moment
muted glacier
in the mean time, Im working on this bad boy. Functioning zombie spawns (early stages) and a rebuildable barrier system (also early).
honest stag
dude that celling looks sick
let's say i want this button to open 2 doors
first one instantly, and the other 3 seconds after the first one
i give the multi_manager a targetname "manager" and make the func_button target it
then i give my doors targetnames door1 and door2
and i do this
this way, when the multi_manager is triggered, it opens door1 instantly cuz there's no time delay specified, but door2 will open with a 3 second delay
you can put as many as you want too
muted glacier
ooooooo. I feel like you could make "animated" textures with that
high magnet
What's the difference between multi manager and relays?
muted glacier
Progress: https://imgur.com/a/tLKrlpM
and im assuming relays cant be set as easily to one button? or have as many?
high magnet
I think it's basically the same
honest stag
man that is really sick i gotta say
high magnet
Also I think the skybox looking weird might be because of the orientation of the top one
muted glacier
yeah, i tried rotating it every direction. didnt look good. Ive already switched it out
honest stag
remember that left and right are switched
muted glacier
yeah, the sides are fine, but theres a white smear on the "front" side that doesnt match well with the top for whatever reason. So im back to the basic starry night for now
high magnet
Can I take a look at how the texture is configured
Aslo those thin black bars are a thing that happens to me too, it's because of the image compression I think.
Most of the time I just extend the sky texture by one or two pixels over the black bar
muted glacier
Uh yeah. How do you want that? You want me to just dm the 6 pictures to you?
gritty forge
forgive me if this has already been covered but im having trouble finding it, basically my question is where do i put mod files on a gog installation?
honest stag
i dont think the sdk is on the gog yet
it's a steam beta
actually wait
sorry im a dumbo
it's a beta on gog as well isnt it
after you're in, navigate Dusk -> SDK -> mnt -> local
and put the mod folder there
gritty forge
and put the mod folder there
oh ok thank you
muted glacier
Can trigger_teleport be used to trigger anything else? Like, can a set a door to be targeted to open after i teleport?
gritty forge
well I mean you can just put a trigger_once where you end up
muted glacier
True. I already use that, but I didnt know if there was any functionality with the teleport trigger.
muted glacier
Can conclude: if you attach a trigger_multiple to a teleport trigger, you get teleported to 0,0,0 no matter where your info_teleport location box is, and the trigger_multiple does NOT get triggered.
Which sucks, because I thought I has found a way for enemies to set off triggers.
honest stag
i think i tried connecting it to a teleport destination too but im not sure if it worked or not
i dont think so, but i'll give it another shot right now
i also wanted to try some things with killtarget
muted glacier
It didnt work for me. I havent messed around with killtarget. Im not exactly sure what it does. Like, a trigger can be set to kill a target when activated? Or if you kill an enemy with killtarget as a property an action is triggered?
honest stag
it's supposed to remove an entity but it never worked for me
muted glacier
Thats what I thought.
honest stag
my testing facility went to waste :(
both buttons should have either moved the yellow pipe or destroyed the barrel, and i got neither
high magnet
wtf this map looks beautiful
I guess that's what I get for being a vanilla texture purist
gritty forge
@high magnet same
crisp raven
<@!335329492635484160> same
Vanilla texture purists rise up
honest stag
they are there
honest stag
they're there
guess i need to bump the intensity
but whatever
it's a test map that goes in the trash bit
honest stag
actually, i want to put an underground section in my current map, and i havent decided if it'll be a crypt or a secret facility like that
high magnet
Interesting
"Go fuck yourself" is from sunlust by the way
Fucking awesome megawad
Fuck this thing generates some really interesting prompts
honest stag
i find vanilla textures to be so dang limiting
at one point i was just really sick of even looking at them
hell, i still am
i havent added the default dusk wad in my maps since god knows how long ago
high magnet
i find vanilla textures to be so dang limiting
at one point i was just really si...
Yeah me 2 tbh
But I'm still too much of a boomer
gritty forge
i find vanilla textures to be so dang limiting
at one point i was just really si...
same
high magnet
Yesterday I made this section in my map that I really like
honest stag
exactly what i thought when i turned to quaddicted wads
crisp raven
You know what? Concrete 1 through 5 doesn't need HATERS like you guys
high magnet
But it's centered around func_pushables so the physics jank is so much of a loose cannon I feel like 20% of people will need to noclip through it
honest stag
and sven coop
gritty forge
i was thinking of a map jam
where u only get concrete textures to work with
nothing else
thats it
go crazy with your colored lighting & shit
high magnet
Like doom's 50 shades of graytall?
honest stag
speaking of map jams
@crisp raven did you think about maybe not just a theme, but a set limiter/challenge? like a map size, or an entity amount, or a brush limit
crisp raven
speaking of map jams
<@!748224951886282853> did you think about maybe not just a...
Yes I did
I wasn't sure if people were up to it. Because plenty of people are pretty new to the scene
I thought of brush limit specifically
Something like 250
crisp raven
You'd just use it all up on one statue 🙄 💅
gritty forge
good lord 250
crisp raven
Vriska-pilled brush props
honest stag
this is how manytt brushes i have in my testing map above
gritty forge
i think one of my single buildings in the last map jam
high magnet
honest stag
i've already reached 2000 and i'm not even close to being halfway done
also holy shit 7500 nice
alpine depot
digging how this map's turning out so far
honest stag
siiiick
alpine depot
oh woops i forgot to re-enable bloom
this will be the only screenshot without bloom enabled
cherish it.
honest stag
ill turn it off when playing anyway
alpine depot
it took me so long to get the lighting right
probably not even done adjusting it yet to be honest
need to somehow make it BRIGHTER
you gotta FEEL THE HEAT of the lighting, damnit
honest stag
i actually used a plain white light in my trespasser map
the skybox is what makes you "Feel the heat"
and it really worked i think
alpine depot
i tried making my skybox brighter in PDN but uh
it made the bloom a little too much to handle
even for my taste lol
honest stag
man the ground is a lot more... brown that i remember
alpine depot
yoo hrot in dusk
contemplating only sticking the player with one pistol for a good chunk of the map
to make them really appreciate those sparse weapon pickups
very stumped with how to continue this map tho
high magnet
high magnet
4k booba texture on the statue
high magnet
Anyway
playtest for this map possibly today?
I was hesitant to do playtests but there's this one area that really needs it
honest stag
im down
high magnet
Also depends on how long I'm gonna play this new Doom Eternal master level
gritty forge
ooooo statue me likey
muted glacier
Also depends on how long I'm gonna play this new Doom Eternal master level
Taras Nabad gang
muted glacier
my testing facility went to waste :(
both buttons should have either moved the y...
If you send it to me, I can take a look at it in about 7 hours when Im off work. See if I can get it working for you if youd like. You'd just have to dm me detailed instructions for what exactly you want to happen
honest stag
nah nah i mean
i tested the same shit as youi
and it didnt work just like for you
i know there are workarounds maybe kinda
muted glacier
Wait. Was that barrel teleported?
muted glacier
Ohhhhh. Okay. Then yeah I dont know how I would get it to work. Im sure there is a workaround, but its probably convoluted. That door looks amazing btw
honest stag
ey thx
muted glacier
So i know you can make an enemy trigger something when you kill them, but say Ive got a combat arena that I want to lock the player in. The player has to kill all 10 of the enemies before the door opens. But how would I go about that? Is there a way to trigger an event after all of the 10 specified enemies are killed instead of 1 specific enemy that triggers it?
honest stag
trigger_counter
i think i updated the fgd with the counter and a description for it (maybe) as of the last patch
so yea
quake wiki also gives a pretty simple explanation
muted glacier
Awesome! Thanks. I knew quake could do it, but i didnt know if we had support yet.
muted glacier
So, I got trigger_counter to work (there is no description in the fgd), but it counts down and says "sequence completed" when I kill the 3 enemies. Is there a way to remove the text, or change what it says? i know that changing the spawnflags to 1 gets rid of the countdown, but can I change it so that it doesnt show the "sequence completed" text?
crisp raven
So, I got trigger_counter to work (there is no description in the fgd), but it c...
Unfortunately not
muted glacier
thats Big oof
solar shale
huh, so dusk mods are a thing
neat
how moddable is this game btw? mildly curious since i'm getting into it
sharp trail
you can make maps and texture packs
solar shale
i see. only that?
ancient depot
you can replace sounds, textures, and some models
ancient depot
further mod support is on the way
solar shale
thing is i kinda noticed that dusk and ultrakill can be played with bepinex
ancient depot
pretty much any Unity game can, yeah
solar shale
yeah
doesnt that open the oportunity on making more "advanced" dusk mods?
with custom components and whatnot
ancient depot
Yes, but we don't offer support for those mods
because they rely on internal parts of the code
solar shale
aah... i see
ancient depot
You can make and release them, but chances are they'll break with updates
solar shale
yeah that's expected
ancient depot
Especially the next one, which overhauls pretty much everything internally
solar shale
thing is i was speaking with one of the devs of Thunderstore and the bepinex guys on the idea of making a thunderstore for dusk/ultrakill
would be neat imo, lol
mythic the main dev of thunderstore is open to the idea 
ancient depot
We're sort of looking into that already with mod.io integration
(plus workshop of course, but that's not really the same since it requires Steam)
solar shale
thats understandable
i might look into seeing whats possible with mod games& bepinex
see if i end up making stuff, lol
custom weapons and whatnot
ancient depot
If they're interested in supporting DUSK/UK in Thunderstore though, feel free to let us know and we'll help out however we can
solar shale
I see
gonna take a bunch of screenshots of this convo and send them over to the boys of thunderstore
ancient depot
👍
muted glacier
progress on Nacht Der Untoten Demake: https://imgur.com/a/6YQZsFG
Finished the basic layout of the level, and added all of the barriers. Now onto fixing the one barrier that wouldnt activate upstairs, and adding loads of details. Leathernecks accurately track the player, and round mechanic is to be added sometime this week (hopefully). lighting and outside details to come later.
(also barrier animations sometime next week. or maybe after because Ill be doing the map jam, unless the category falls in my favor; then ill try and finish this for it)
honest stag
what would it do though
gritty forge
i dont know all i know is that you can make them
honest stag
well i guess you can have an icon? and uhhh
gritty forge
maybe some basic quality of life stuff
honest stag
that's really it?
i can mostly configure quality of life stuff through the fgd already
the only things i can think of is the icon in trenchbroom's ui
and the fgd being loaded by default in that
gritty forge
yea
honest stag
dont it and havent even uploaded smh
gritty forge
share plz?
could probably be useful for newcomers
im gonna see if quark is worth using in the slightest for mapping
honest stag
i tried it and it just seemed like hammer for quake
gritty forge
im only using it cause it apparently has "lighting previews"
honest stag
damn that sounds cool
still raptor
its way way out of date
gritty forge
gee what makes you say that
still raptor
not what i would call functional enymore
honest stag
and im guessing it wouldnt consider special compiling options anyway?
altought iunno
gritty forge
probably not
it doesnt even give you those little tips on what the buttons do if you hover your cursor over them for a while
and this 3d view has inverted controls 🤮
high magnet
What do those lighting previews look like though
gritty forge
thats what im trying to find
high magnet
🤔
gritty forge
shit i cant even find how to load a wad
high magnet
Dang
gritty forge
other then "maybe i could use quark for easier lighting and trenchbroom for the everything else"
just maybe though
high magnet
I wonder why trenchbroom can't have something like this
honest stag
well
gritty forge
fck it im done trying to get this thing to work
couldnt even get the textures to work
delete time
honest stag
tb supports different games with wildly different lighting models doesnt it
honest stag
and i guess you can have it just for quake but it's not like tb is quake-only
remember how long it can take for lighting to compile? wouldnt it be really performance heavy to have that realtime
im no expert tho, just guessing
gritty forge
all of these half life tools that have good promises yet spit out muh quake map
😔
nvm think i found one
yeah it works
awesome
AH SHIT NEVERMIND
IT DOESNT
ITS JUST FOR QUAKE 3
ancient depot
remember how long it can take for lighting to compile? wouldnt it be really perf...
you can generate lower quality lighting at runtime a lot faster
or you can just approximate it with dynamic lighting
(which I assume is what QuArK did)
honest stag
@muted glacier Did you see your zombies gamemode preview get tweeted out by Dave
you chad lol
crimson patrol
Daev
muted glacier
Wait whut? He tweeted my shit out again?
Well shit. That means I actually need to give the people what they want and actually finish my project
serene valve
susk
gritty forge
chad
muted glacier
Ive been working on map details for about 4 hours now and can feel my Brain melting
got bored and made a functioning File Cabinet for no reason
still raptor
Lol
sharp trail
Torii only cares about Vriska
crisp raven
Torii only cares about Vriska
Shut up baldy
crimson patrol
discontinue communication urgently
muted glacier
Is it possible to have a light turn on via a button being pressed, or does that functionality not currently exist yet?
honest stag
No
light styles aren't a thing yet
Guess you can teleport in a dynamic light tho
like a candle
muted glacier
thats fine. I didnt think so, i just know that items that move dont have updated lighting. the barriers come down at the start so that enemies can path through them but the player cant walk through them, but the barriers have no lighting. ill just parent a light to them so that it moves with the barriers (unless thats not possible either)
honest stag
They go down from below right?
Why not place some lights below so they get properly lit up
go up*
muted glacier
yep. that worked. I just noticed my sandbags looked weird af, and had to go through the mental gymnastics of realizing that lighting doesnt get rerendered after they move.
gritty forge
yeah, that's baked lighting for you.
honest stag
yeah i bake my lighting at 220 degrees
muted glacier
So weird question. What exactly is Bogos Binted?
muted glacier
Not gonna lie, caught me off guard
ancient depot
honest stag
yup i saw that one too
fucking loved it
muted glacier
what is that sound???? is that the fucking Minecraft Cave Ambience? I swear thats what that sounds like
honest stag
it is
ancient depot
because you're in the minecraft channel
muted glacier
Here you chads go. Got my daily update for the map:
Got about 12 hours of work in today (because I had a day off ;))
ancient depot
👁️
honest stag
hell yeah dude, looks great
does it still have a map minlight level?
it would look sick as fuck without it and some bounce lighting
muted glacier
yeah, it still does. I havent quite got to it yet. Or sunlight. Not sure how sunlight works with night maps.
honest stag
sunlight doesnt have to be bright
you can tweak it just like any other light source and set it as something like the moon
_sunlight is a directed light source that sky brushes cast (any texture that starts with "sky", invisible in game)
you can have it angled with either _sun_mangle or be a chad and just target it to an info_null to set the sunlight direction
well actually i think i explained it a bit confusingly
muted glacier
I think ive used info_null before for lights.
i dont know what sun mangle is though
honest stag
if you want to use an info_null for targeting sunlight, you need a light entity with a _sun property
then you dont need _sunlight
muted glacier
what is the _sun property? like, what do I put for its number?
honest stag
1
just remember to have some sky brushes
Here's my setup for a moon-like blue sunlight
honest stag
consider how many people are even into mapping here at all and it doesnt become much of a suprise
in fact that's quite a bit
there's only 36 people in the map jam server, and most dont even make maps
muted glacier
Gonna be one more. Ive downloaded them before but forgot what i renamed them and where I saved them, and im gonna need them again.
muted glacier
@honest stag so I added _sun last night before I finished up work, and set the world light to like 2, and holy shit. The moonlight looks absolutely amazing. Didnt realize it would make that much of a difference.
honest stag
did you use my properties?
or your own
world light to 2? like literally light on worldspawn to 2?
muted glacier
.....yeah? Was that wrong? And I used all of your properties except the color. I made it lighter. (I dont know shit about lighting. Ive never worked with any software that didnt use real-time lighting)
honest stag
it's not wrong lol, i just dont think a light level of 2 is even noticeable to the eye tbh
and hey glad you like it
it took a while to tweak that moonlight
also
muted glacier
Well what is minlight? Because I saw you mentioned it
honest stag
light on worldspawn? makes all brushes in the world be lit up to at least that level
but whatever if it looks good - awesome lol
so also
i use a _sunlight2 property on worldspawm in order to make shadows less harsh
it only affects outside, while light on worldspawn affect literally every brush
so i gues if you want i can give you my _sunlight2 properties too, but it maybe be a bit heavy on the compiling
u want em?
muted glacier
Thats fine. I dont care about compile times
honest stag
based
muted glacier
Throw em at me
honest stag
i thought about maybe raising the light level a bit actually, but you'll figure it out if it's good for you or not
honest stag
should, yeah
your map may need to be sealed but i never checked to be sure
and a plain sky cube will suffice anyway
r8 my hills 
high magnet
r8 my hills <:flushed:829257236722221056>
I wanna run to them
muted glacier
On a scale of 1- triangle soup, theyre a solid SOUP 
high magnet
What's up with the whole soup thing
honest stag
triangle soup? like a big mess of polygons
crimson patrol
Noice hills
honest stag
i wonder what will happen if i ctrl+a and then snap everything to grid
lemme back up and do that
see if there's any big changes
hmmm
bad idea
fucked a lot of stuff up
i guess 16 grid was too bit tho
crimson patrol
Snap to max grid size
gritty forge
uh oh
honest stag
all was well untill
gritty forge
yoo statue
high magnet
"Don't turn me into an oversimplified logo-"
gritty forge
CLIP
gritty forge
no wait thats SKIP
honest stag
it's SKIP
gritty forge
fug
crimson patrol
My day be so fine, then boom
Snap to grid size
gritty forge
lmao
crimson patrol
gritty forge
he sideways
crimson patrol
Hes just a flat plane
muted glacier
@high magnet Triangle Soup
high magnet
Wot
crimson patrol
On this episode of "can it compile"
honest stag
zoom in
gritty forge
nooo not the triangles
crimson patrol
I would call that triangle lasagna
muted glacier
Yeah, that was beginner me in trenchbroom. I terraformed every single one of those triangle from like 24 x24 cubes. Makes me shudder thinking of how long it took
It was something like 4000 vertices that I manually moved before I watched a dumptruck_ds video. Those were the dark days.
All in all, that map has over 140,000 faces and I havent added a single enemy. Ive been dreading going back and reducing those numbers so ive been doing other things.
honest stag
Hey i do the same thing
lemme see how many faces my map has rn
13621 faces
1631 brushes
ok no im nowhere near you
muted glacier
Yeah its fucking terrible. Ive got to reduce that significantly. At about 170,000 faces, shit stops loading in/existing.
Also though, i dont have any skip textures on that map either so that might help possibly
-bsp2 still has its limits
ancient depot
Yeah its fucking terrible. Ive got to reduce that significantly. At about 170,00...
In TB or in-game?
muted glacier
In game. Sorry should have clarified
ancient depot
That shouldn't happen, does that reproduce when loading the BSP in QuakeSpasm or Darkplaces?
muted glacier
...i have no idea (I dont know what those are) Id have to check later, because im at work rn.
ancient depot
They're Quake source ports, though if you don't have Quake to test with, you can send me the BSP and I can take a look at it
muted glacier
Yeah ive got quake. I should be able to do that.
ancient depot
If it reproduces in those ports then it might be a bug in the map compiler
Since the game shouldn't just start ditching parts of the map once it gets complex
(ad_sepulcher for example is many times more complex in face count)
muted glacier
I originally thought that it was due to soft bounds, so I disabled them, but after a certain amount of brushes/vertices, when I go to test it, random brushes wont exist until I walk through them, and then i just fall like I walked through a skip texture
honest stag
yo those bounds in tb are purely there to remind you of map limits of a game you're mapping for, nothin else
also
ancient depot
Yeah DUSK technically has no limits at all
honest stag
i had this happen when a map got too large in terms of length/width
so past a certain point i would fall through the floo
r
could that be what's happening to you
ancient depot
Do you have the BSP for that?
honest stag
i think so, lemme go and check
i had the .map for sure
ancient depot
That'd be a very valuable test case especially for the new update since the BSP infrastructure has completely changed
gritty forge
Zombie rewrote the BSP loader again
honest stag
i found the .bsp,. but lemme see if it even does what i said just to be sure
muted glacier
Huh. I thought i was just adding too much stuff. Ill have to see later and send it if its conclusive to helping.
ancient depot
Zombie rewrote the BSP loader again
Technically it's the first time it's been rewritten
honest stag
...huh
it's not doin it
did i fix it or something?
i may have moved the entire map closer to the center but it's old
ancient depot
gritty forge
closer to the center
I mean that might actually fix stuff
ancient depot
Huh. I thought i was just adding too much stuff. Ill have to see later and send ...
Yeah there's no actual limit on how much stuff you can put in the map, the game intentionally expands any limits the original games using BSP had
That includes limits imposed on Source engine BSP in the update
muted glacier
So theres no brush or face limit?
ancient depot
Nope
It's only limited by the BSP format you're using
So in the case of BSP2, you're limited to around 4 billion faces or so
muted glacier
Holy fuck
ancient depot
Of course, if you actually had that many the game would fucking die lmao
honest stag
bet?
muted glacier
Then I have no clue what my issue is.
honest stag
ok uhhh i checked in quake
muted glacier
Ill check later then on mine
honest stag
and i fall through the floor
i guess that's the map bounds
muted glacier
How far out?? Im not even that far.
honest stag
well in quake, not dusk
dusk is fine
but quake had pretyy small map bounds didnt it
so it's not telling much?
muted glacier
Isnt it like 16km or something for dusk? I vaguely remember someone saying something.
*dusk
honest stag
lemme do a quick test lol
i'll strech it out real far
aight i cant strech it anymore, time to compile
huh
it's all good
i have no clue what happened back then in that case
maybe it was fixed somewhere later?
ancient depot
muted glacier
Sooooo for _sun2, how does that work with Info null? do I need _sunlight in world spawn?
muted glacier
Im dumb. Ignore that question.
gritty forge
remember to check out these cool light effects shown of here https://ericwa.github.io/ericw-tools/
muted glacier
Holy shit. Thats awesome.
still raptor
i dont think ive seen a dusk map use surface lights yet
gritty forge
Only pro quake mappers use that 😎
alpine depot
man i love surface lights
ive used them in my last few maps, they make it very convenient for just shoving a texture on a brush and being able to illuminate a corridor pretty easily with it
last few maps as in all of my maps save for derailed because i was A STUPID MAPPER then
gritty forge
All in all, that map has over 140,000 faces and I havent added a single enemy. I...
wtf
im only going to use surface lights for little glowy on colorful textures
lava look orange? give orange glowy surface light
quaint geyser
i need help, light doesnt show up on a map made in trenchbroom, using the quake engine
gritty forge
i need help, light doesnt show up on a map made in trenchbroom, using the quake ...
@honest stag will probably help you
honest stag
can i see your .map file?
quaint geyser
sure
honest stag
also i suggest not bothering to test with quake and use it in dusk right off the bat
you can test maps without closing the game so
quaint geyser
yeah thats what im doing
honest stag
ah aight
well i'll try to figure out whats wrong when you send the .map
gritty forge
oh this is simple
quaint geyser
when i drag the file into discord it doesnt do anything and copy/pasting doesnt work