dusk-modding

[gritty forge]

I'd much rather be able to make stationary candles with my own lighting

that would be insaneee

I love adding candles as like a sign that the cult has taken over

and it blends in so well with the cultists and wendigos and ahh

[crimson patrol]

could make some brush candles

[gritty forge]

yes but no

I need particles

[crimson patrol]

could do some trickery with func doors

func doors can do anything

[gritty forge]

nah fuck that shi

[crimson patrol]

i could make a waterfall with func doors

just have 30 func doors swapping positions very fast

in the same place

[gritty forge]

also

why can't we place duke brother bosses?

also

why are the fish textures totally fucked

they have the boneball texture

oh and chompers model is not aligned with its hitbox

[crimson patrol]

well, as with all things sdk

¯_(ツ)_/¯

the fish texture thing is weird though

[gritty forge]

omg

I just had another fucking cool idea for my map

might put it in the upcoming update for black industrial misery too

(I'm updating it mostly to lightproxy pickups)

[alpine depot]

oh my god skade i want to play this map so badly agagagagaghkytsfefe

this is so sick

[last talon]

screenshots looks pretty good

[gritty forge]

Im just really making sure the map has those final proper touches

and ofc the updated lighting

which will take the longest

gameplay is done

[muted glacier]

So ive finally got around to messing with lighting, but one of the entities in my window is Quake's wall torch. But when placed into the editor and tested, the torch isnt visible. Is there a Dusk texture that its supposed to be replaced by? Because the light itself is present, just no torch.

[gritty forge]

my guess is no

unless it's the dusk torch that it gets replaced by, in which case the torch may be flipped?

probably not though

[crisp raven]

The only light entity that works in Dusk is the default light

[muted glacier]

Okay. That makes sense. I just wasnt sure. Thanks

[gritty forge]

Can’t wait for flicketing lights and particles

I know I say that like

once every week

But

[muted glacier]

Whens that going to be a thing??

[gritty forge]

when the new SDK comes

daily dusk mapping tip #6: never ever ever ever do this

it's off grid, it's messy and it will easily fuck up your compiling

if you need curves go watch dumptruck_ds's tutorials on curves

++ if you ABSOLUTELY 100% POSITIVELY need to do this awfulness, you should probably optimize it

1. make a convex curve brush of it. this curve is concave and brushes are convex

you can do this by getting the little boundary box it makes when it's selected, take the corner that's empty, put a little post here with the same height and ctrl j that shit

put it on the grid you want with edit -> snap vertices to grid and then make an arch out of it

[gritty forge]

ok mr tech support

[muted glacier]

Love watching some dumptruck_ds. Hes like the only one i know with in depth mapping tutorials

[honest stag]

How do you even achieve that lmao

Like actually how the fuck do you manage that instead of just watching the dunptruck ds tutorial on arches

[honest stag]

I feel like they aren't actual entities, but rather default mages modified in dusk

[gritty forge]

if anybody's up for the challenge of doing it properly without making qbsp tear its hair out

[honest stag]

Im scared to look

but fuck it downloading

[gritty forge]

oh god

oh fuck

i cant even use rmb to move my camera around

this is cursed

THE CAMERA IS STUCK

IT HAS CURSED MY TRENCHBROOM

[honest stag]

seems fine to me
wow huh jesus
ok it looks cool

but why do it like that

[gritty forge]

trenchbroom is literally stuck

[honest stag]

that's odd, it's perfectly fine on me shitty laptop

[gritty forge]

i cant move my camera on any other maps

i gotta restart my pc

thanks gauntlet.map

[honest stag]

ok honestly? It's not the worst thing ever

since it's just a bunch of triangle brushes

i guess it could be worse

[gritty forge]

epic gamer trick: use _phong 1 on every func_detail and func_group you have in your map to double ur compiling time

[honest stag]

does qbsp actually take long for you?

[gritty forge]

no

[frigid cypress]

Just curious, will the full SDK have support for endless mode maps?

[honest stag]

i dont see why not

[muted glacier]

Another dumb question for the lads/laddies. How would I go about this: A trigger that upon being touched/walked over causes a specific entity to become visible/hidden depending on trigger state. Like, standing on a specific spot on the ground causes a wall to become hidden, revealing a button behind it that can then be shot, but if the play steps off the spot, the wall becomes visible again.

[honest stag]

Cant think of Amy way to do that

any*

You could always make a triggerable door tho

[devout forum]

So i hate myself and kinda want to teach myself modding for the first time with dusk where do i find resources for teaching myself? Or are yall just really smart and know how to mod good already.

[crisp raven]

What kind of mods are you interested in making exactly?

I would recommend reading through the pinned messages

[honest stag]

Just keep in mind that currently our modding capabilities are limited to custom maps, custom models (enemies only), sound replacements, texture replacements

[crimson patrol]

I wanna make a helicopter model and change chompers to it

For a future setpiece

[devout forum]

just wanna make some levels/maps

see if i can duskify some quake maps for eventual duskworld play

i figure by the time im good enough to actually make decent maps the sdk will be fully released

oh yeah pins

duh

[gritty forge]

i swear when mr mega meaty releases E1M1.map there's gonna be so many stupid e1m1 twists

"e1m1 but upside down"

"e1m1 but its all rats"

"e1m1 but it is giant"

whats that 1 doom 2 wad that "remixes" doom 2's levels and turns them into fucking giant labyrinths

maps of chaos?

yeah "e1m1 but maps of chaos"

[ripe bear]

aren't they already giant labyrinths

[honest stag]

that's the definition of doom levels yeah lol

just a big maze

[gritty forge]

big ol maze

speaking of maze i found a doom texture pack
could be good converted to dusk

unless quake palette massacres it

fuck you quake palette you party pooping asshat

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/122046-rwltex-a-ps1-and-goldsrc-inspired-texture-pack/?do=findComment&comment=2321341

this

[honest stag]

oh hey i ripped extremely similar textures from sven coop

lemme find the wad real quick

i used them in insomnia

any custom texture pack is so goddamn good

[gritty forge]

fax

[honest stag]

here's the wad3 i ripped from sven coop and converted into a quake wad

i heavily used both of those in insomnia to achieve that cool silent hill-ish look

or cry of fear-ish, however you look at it

[gritty forge]

https://tenor.com/view/he-hehe-boy-boi-boyi-gif-7890844

@crimson patrol holy shit thats such a good idea

[honest stag]

i have a mosquito chomper model

lol

like literally a giant mosquito

[honest stag]

u tired of unfinished buildings with grey textures at night yet?

well tough shit, here's an arch

i love these textures sooo much

literally weeks of progress

this will take me an eternity to make :(

also

utilize the textures to make some cool effects

plain wall? boring
wall with bricks sticking out? cool and pog

[bold orbit]

Vrisk you need to calm down

you're making it impossible for us to compete with this pure fuckin gold man XD

[gritty forge]

first one old

vs

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/472070186934206476/847563573377892442/unknown.png

new

[still raptor]

DONT

[gritty forge]

?

OHH

the door

xD

[still raptor]

yeah lol

[muted glacier]

so i have a whole bunch of sky PNGs in my texture browser, but how do i go about changing the skybox? I watched dumptruck_ds's video about skyboxes and fog, but came away confused

[ancient depot]

Skyboxes in DUSK don't quite work like Quake skyboxes, you assign properties on your worldspawn entity that make up the six sides of the skybox cube

You assign sky_up, sky_down, sky_left, sky_right, sky_back and sky_front to texture paths

eg, textures/my_skybox/up.png for sky_up

[muted glacier]

Okay. Ive been pulling my hair out all day over it, and i try to not bother people with questions here until im sure Im completely stuck

[honest stag]

they should be there by default for you to fill in if you have the fgd

i do hope you have the fgd @muted glacier

[muted glacier]

I have it, but i dont think i have the skybox world spawn properties. Let me re-add the FGD. Is it in pinned messages?

[honest stag]

yeah

i'm 100% positive i added them

[muted glacier]

Yeah so im really dumb. I unzipped them, but apparently they didnt get added to the id1 folder. So, im confused as to where they ended up. That should solve my issues now i hope.

[honest stag]

you should see all dusk models in the entity tab if you installed it right

[muted glacier]

It says it doesnt have the models for the entities, just shows wire frames, but when placed in the level and tested, appear as dusk entities. And i couldnt get the texture paths for the skybox to work. My brain is fried from going through my pc today and organizing file structure.

[honest stag]

Whats your quake game path

the one that trenchbroom uses

Also

are you using the quake game preset or "generic"? @muted glacier

[muted glacier]

Pretty sure im using the quake 1 preset. Am i not supposed to?

[honest stag]

Its fine

So, does your quake game path have an id1 folder?

You can check the game path in edit->preferences

So like

Your quake game path is for example C:/lemon

So you put a folder named id1 inside of "lemon"

And dusk.pak goes there

[muted glacier]

So. Im dumb.

The i in id was capitalized in the pathing, but not in the folder its self. So dusk.pak was just being pathed to a folder that didnt exist.

[honest stag]

eh those things happen

at least you got it working

[ripe bear]

are folders case sensitive? i genuinely didn't realise that lol

[honest stag]

you should see models and defaul properties now

also

[muted glacier]

So I now have all of the quake entities in trenchbroom and have the properties

[honest stag]

i added descriptions to some of the default properies that may have quirks

for example, sky_right and sky_left are actually swapped

so sky_right has a texture of the left side of the cube

and vice versa

[muted glacier]

Okay. And for the value i put the file location of the png?

[honest stag]

relative you your mod folder yeah

so for example if your mod folder is named "coolmap", and inside of it you have a "textures" folder with a file named "coolsky_top"

then your sky_up property looks like this

sky_up | textures/coolsky_top.png

oh and btw all the default properties are far from being the only properties you can use

but they SHOULD suffice since you're just starting

[muted glacier]

Yeah i should be good for now. Mapping is fine, but holy hell figuring out world properties and stuff without people like you in the discord would be horrible.

[honest stag]

glad i could help

[gritty forge]

ayoo

today’s gonna be a good day

pizza and dusk mapping all day

and ion fury

[still raptor]

Bro I want pizza

[honest stag]

I got u

[still raptor]

Hahahhahahaha

Amazing

[crimson patrol]

Tbf

Trench broom fetishism

[gritty forge]

Uh

I got late so my food card from school was not working :(

[honest stag]

what now?

[gritty forge]

so I had to pay myself

[bold orbit]

make that a func_breakable

[gritty forge]

made of flesh

[gritty forge]

h

[gritty forge]

sus

[gritty forge]

only me who thinks this is satisfying

I live the contrasts

idk

its weird

[honest stag]

yea i do like it

[alpine depot]

mmmm

i love it

[honest stag]

honestly big silet hill 3 vibes from your map

[gritty forge]

cool

never played it

😎

barely know her

[gritty forge]

spoopkers

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/472070186934206476/848024559210987560/unknown.png

[alpine depot]

god i need to play this so badly

[gritty forge]

Once lighting is done it will be up

• it links with my last level

c:

[muted glacier]

holy moly. seeing stuff other people make makes me cringe when I look at my map so far

[honest stag]

well it's never perfect when you start off

my first maps were actually awful

like AWFUL

and fullbright

[muted glacier]

everybodies maps look so neat and tidy. ive got outdoors terrain at the start of my map, which looks fine I guess, but its super sharp and messy out of view of the player.

which even if nobody else sees it, I know its there.

[still raptor]

yeah i still think about vriskas first map

it was realllllly rough

[honest stag]

landing

[still raptor]

theyve come a long way

[honest stag]

it was a fullbright map with absolutely fucked geometry, textures and functionality

it was also 40 seconds long

[still raptor]

yes it was

[honest stag]

so anything you make is a guarantee to be better

but then we have aqua whose first map is currently at 3k downloads as the highest rated custom dusk map lol

wish i was as much of a chad

[crimson patrol]

Aqua is probably god

[honest stag]

he's scaring me in the beer books server tho

[crimson patrol]

Beer books? Is that the sdk server or smth

[still raptor]

its the secret society of dusk mappers

[crimson patrol]

Trenchbroom illuminati

[honest stag]

lmao

[gritty forge]

Black industrial misery was my first

though I had some previous experience with trenchbroom

Only for a basic quake map though

It was a bit of a tactical decision to make my first map a night map as I didn’t have to work too much on the lighting and could focus on geometry and gameplay

which was more imortant to me*

[sharp trail]

damn

[alpine depot]

All In A Day's Work

[long anchor]

SPACE JUMP PAD PROGRAM

[honest stag]

hahaha god

i forgot about that

but that was the 2nd map

which honestly wasnt as awful as the first
but still very, very bad

[long anchor]

wha

no

it was landing

[honest stag]

landing consisted of 2 maps

1 was the first ever map
2 was the map with a jump pad

[long anchor]

oh god why did i make this abomination

[honest stag]

that's...

thats my map

lmao

[long anchor]

i'm talking about retexture

[honest stag]

OH

OH FUCK I DIDNT EVEN NOTICE

lmao oh god

[long anchor]

i'd never call your maps abominations

buddyy.....

[honest stag]

bror...

[gritty forge]

so...

this is what I will be cleaning up today

[honest stag]

what

the fuck

MY GUY WHAT THE FUCK

[gritty forge]

yeah...

like I said

[honest stag]

Was this actually the way you did lighting when i playtested

[gritty forge]

I'm shit with lighting and before I just used point lights and shitty fill lights

yes

[honest stag]

what the fuck

is the ENTIRE map like that?

[gritty forge]

yes

...

[honest stag]

what the fuck

[honest stag]

im at a goddamn loss for words

you should have asked sooner jesus my dude

[gritty forge]

hahahahhahaa

[honest stag]

you can light up a massive room with like 1-4 lights...

[gritty forge]

meanwhile

new lighting

[honest stag]

you know if i were you

i would just select all light entities and delete them

and just re-do the lighting

what the fuck

[gritty forge]

that is what I am doing

lol

[honest stag]

ok good

[gritty forge]

I've said like 1000 times that I'm redoing it xD

[honest stag]

yeah but

yeah

you learned how to do big room lighting?

[alpine depot]

trenchbroom privileges revoked

[crimson patrol]

Vriska do you recall that time I did this

[gritty forge]

but I am redoing this

[honest stag]

i do remember that lol

i have that screenshot saved actually

it was the first thing i thought of

[alpine depot]

oh my GOD

[honest stag]

you havent seen that aqua?

[alpine depot]

i did but i forgot about it

i wish i still did 😔

[honest stag]

you can redo the lighting but

you can't undo what my eyes have seen

[gritty forge]

hahahaha

its so much worse if you see the whole room

I'm actually surprised I managed to make the light look even decent with this strategy

[muted glacier]

Im alittle behind but what the fuck. Skade, that first picture actually left me speechless. Whats your compile time with all those lights??

[gritty forge]

no time at all because I used basic compiling settings back then

~10 sec

[honest stag]

now show how it looks in trenchbroom

[muted glacier]

[worn umbra]

yo tf thats sick

[still raptor]

this is incredible

[alpine depot]

oh my fucking GOD

i NEED this

skade's about to dethrone me gg

[ripe bear]

sick as

[crimson patrol]

I'm gonna dethrone the fuck out of yall

In 3 years when this map is finished

[honest stag]

trust me this guy will

and after 3 more years of compiling

[alpine depot]

not if I dethrone myself first

[honest stag]

king of the~~ hill ~~trenchbroom

the royal rumble

veven busts in out of nowhere with lower 2

[crimson patrol]

And in 6 years after I take the trenchbroom throne, mashed potato is gonna appear our of nowhere and make an episodes worth of content in 30 minutes

[honest stag]

i work on the map for 6 more months and realise i havent added a single enemy and was busy making the lighting and textures just right in 5 rooms

mashedpotato is chad ok

[crimson patrol]

Mashedpotato is probably god

[gritty forge]

@honest stag this is the reworked lighting

Uses 8 fill lights for a huge room only

[honest stag]

nice, 8 is alright

looks good, keep it up my guy

[gritty forge]

It’s also about getting good shadows not just few light ents

And that kinda schtuff

[muted glacier]

Just had the joy of finding out i had accidentally bisected a cliff face multiple times, resulting in a compiling error saying that it couldnt handle 100000+ faces at once. So i deleted all of the cliffsides and started again, carefully and more efficient. Holy crap though, had me worried

[gritty forge]

which is why I avoid making natural and organic brushes for the most part

except for smaller details

and a huge setpiece in my arena

oop

[gritty forge]

updated black industrial misery

only pickups to be brighter tho

[crimson patrol]

Make that map fullbright

4 de memes

[gritty forge]

I was making a master level version of it as a joke for april fools

but I couldnt be fucked to fix framerate after I added a million mages

Last room had big john with 1hp and behind him a rat with 100000 health

[honest stag]

I still remember the map with the invincible rat

fuck that shit

[gritty forge]

what map

[honest stag]

It was the mega-bullshit-hardcore map pack

i think craidus???

Maybe??

[gritty forge]

oh fuck criadus

objectively bad

[crimson patrol]

Never playd criadus

[gritty forge]

it fucking sucks even for what he went for

im sorry xD

[honest stag]

One of those maps had an invincible rat basically

[crimson patrol]

Hehe health entity value go brr

Can it survive a soaping?

[gritty forge]

like it was an okay concept but execution was uhh

no

[honest stag]

Along with many other interesting design choices

a room where all the walls are invisible and you get 70 enemies thrown at you

and just the general insane amount of enemies in tight spaces

it was pretty funny i gotta say

They REALLY tried to make it bullshit but beatable

and it worked

Okay i read the updated page of the mod

i feel bad now

[crisp raven]

Looking for Playtesters

[sharp trail]

You can playtest my ASS

[crisp raven]

Some of the areas were a little tight

I would try expanding them

Let more enemies fit in

[sharp trail]

Maybe you should add a little more of MY ammo to it

Makes it feel like it's bigger than it actually is

[crisp raven]

You've lost me with the ammo metaphor

[gritty forge]

Im confused

[tranquil mulch]

Sex jokes.

Not even funny ones.

[gritty forge]

Well I figured that part out

[alpine depot]

yeeees YEEEEEEES

[gritty forge]

btw

my map will be done by next week most likely

might have to get some final playtesting tho

[gritty forge]

is the out of bounds easter egg text thing even in the dusk wad

or transparent wad

the ur not supposed to be here

[crimson patrol]

I sincerely enjoyed your first map skade

Looking forward to seeing this one

[muted glacier]

@gritty forge i feel like it is. Ive seen it, but it might not be in the transparent wad. I dont think the "do a flip" one is.

Also @crisp raven you still need a playtester? Id be able to later when I get on to do some mapping.

[gritty forge]

@muted glacier do a flip one is in the waf

wad

I used it instead

For now

@crimson patrol I’m glad! I’m also happy to say that the new map is several times better than the last, bith objectively in terms of deco and complexity/technicality/features but also in my own opinion in terms of aesthetics and how it builds on the lore of the maps since they connect. Although the map is a lot more close-quarters and linear and not as open as BIM

but I personally like both open and close(r) quarter maps

[muted glacier]

Ive got to talk more in other channels so I can get rat rank so i can share some progress screenshots

[honest stag]

U can send imgur links

they'll embed anyway

[gritty forge]

https://projectlounge.pw/tmp/wghu3acb2ej.gif

[honest stag]

Nah its fun

[muted glacier]

I didnt know that. Thanks TBF. Ill share some tomorrow.

[gritty forge]

how

placing down monsters in encounters over and over & shooting them to death is fun

[honest stag]

I h a t e making the gameplay

its so tedious and always an afterthought to me

literally the very last thing i do

[gritty forge]

[honest stag]

I can sit there and bother with lighting and textures and brushwork all day long tho

Functionality is pretty fun too

As in doors and setpieces

Which is in part why i want to collab with someone

please dont make me do gameplay shit and ill do literally everything else

[gritty forge]

gameplay fun

[gritty forge]

bottom text

[crimson patrol]

Joke setup
Punchline
Additional punchline
Joke reinforcement

[honest stag]

death

[muted glacier]

Cant wait til after joke reinforcement kicks in.

[gritty forge]

comically large pencil

comically large eraser

comically large soap bar

[muted glacier]

Deep fried PNG of a toaster

Top text: E

[honest stag]

comically oversized map

[crimson patrol]

Download warrior.png

[honest stag]

tiny mage

laugh

[muted glacier]

Holy shit

[honest stag]

ᵇˡᵒᵒᵈ ʰᵉʳᵉᵗᶦᶜ ˢᶦⁿⁿᵉʳ

[crimson patrol]

Maranax

[muted glacier]

Honestly, make tiny mage a boss. Invisible projectiles, 100k health.

And put it in a first level. Thats the bar for entry

[gritty forge]

MARANAX INFIRMUX

GEROXE CRUO

MARANAX PALLEX

[honest stag]

AAAAAAH IT BURNS IT BURNS

[gritty forge]

10000 dollars and I will upload crimson cesspool TODAY

[gritty forge]

so

was there a way to "lightproxy" brushes

basically adding a light color to a specific brush/texture only

[honest stag]

brushes cant be lightproxied

[gritty forge]

not actually lightproxying

hence the ""

[honest stag]

ok so exactly what do you mean
a light that textures give off to surroundings?

or a specific brush having a specific color/light level?

[gritty forge]

second

[honest stag]

i think you can give a brush entity a _minlight

[gritty forge]

but I want to have it coloured

[honest stag]

try _mincolor with it as well as _minlight

or just _mincolor

i've never used either but they come to mind

[gritty forge]

ddint do anything

@honest stag

[honest stag]

dang hm

[gritty forge]

I'm positive there was a thing where you could link a texture with a key to a light or something

I'm sure I have seen it before

or like

a key on the light that makes it only target one texture which you specified

something like that

[honest stag]

i'm 99% positive you're talking about the thing where you can have a _surface property on a light that's linked to a texture

but that makes the texture EMIT light

[gritty forge]

oh yea

[honest stag]

as if it's a lamp lighting things around it

[gritty forge]

I want to try it

[honest stag]

it doesnt light up the brush itself

[gritty forge]

oh

it doesn't?

[honest stag]

well it should as an after effect i guess

anyway

if you want to try it

[gritty forge]

whats the best way to make my own wad

I wanna edit some textures

[honest stag]

there is a makewad tool in the pins

to use the _surface thing
have a light entity, give it whatever parameters you wanted for the emitted light
add a _surface property, put in the texture you used at the value

like, the texture name

i just deleted my entire fucking map and saved it lmao

accidental 2x click and delete

well that would have been a catastrophe if it werent for crtl+z

[gritty forge]

how does the makewad work

lol

idk what to do

how do I install it

[honest stag]

you need a folder with .png images first

put makewad outside of it

put a palette.lmp along with the makewad

open cmd in that folder

then put makewad <in folder> <in palette> <out wad>

so how is it

did it work

[gritty forge]

@honest stag is it just the texture name or the textures path in folder as well

cause idrk what to type in

[honest stag]

wdym
for the makewad?

[gritty forge]

no

surface

[honest stag]

nah just the texture name

i'll give an example

[gritty forge]

its one of the { textures

can I just type {sigil in the _surface key

[honest stag]

honestly no idea
but i guess it wont hurt to try

[gritty forge]

what

didn't you just say you knew o.O

[honest stag]

i don't knoiw if the { symbol will fuck it up

[gritty forge]

oh ok

[honest stag]

it works 100% with normal-named tex

[gritty forge]

so like this?

[honest stag]

yea

[gritty forge]

@honest stag this right?

then open cmd for the folder and then what

[honest stag]

make a folder inside of here

and put the textures inside

then open cmd

type
makewad texturefolder palette.lmp wadname.wad (or just wadname im not sure havent used it in a while try both)

[gritty forge]

well fek

the textures get fucked

and

the sigil doesn't stay transparent

[honest stag]

wdym but "get fucked"

by*

[gritty forge]

colors are fucked

[honest stag]

by the palette?

[gritty forge]

red.png becomes orange

ye

[honest stag]

shame

[gritty forge]

I can fix it but

how do I make a transparent texture

lol

[ancient depot]

makewad doesn't generate transparent textures iirc

you need to use another tool

[gritty forge]

dfjfksdbjfk

[honest stag]

i use wally

it's nice

[ancient depot]

(makewad is an internal tool that I just decided to make public because why not)

[gritty forge]

fair

[honest stag]

i used it to rip some wad3 stuff into quake wads, and looking at it im assuming it can do more

for example exactly what you're describing

like you can take the pixel that's supposed to be transparent and replace it with the quake trasnparency pixel

[ancient depot]

you CAN make transparent textures with it

[honest stag]

yeah

[ancient depot]

but not by making the pngs transparent

and yeah you do that

[honest stag]

you can find that pixel at the end of the quake palette

wally should show the palette so you can grab it from there

[still raptor]

well its not necessarily the quake palette

its just palette index 255

for example half life uses solid blue as its transparency index

but quake uses that sickly gross pink color

[honest stag]

yup
had to replace all that with the icky pink when i was ripping some good half life custom wads

wally kept crashing when i was using the "Replace pixel" thing or whatever it's called

[still raptor]

probably wouldve been easier in photoshop

where you can just index the image

[honest stag]

do i look rich

[still raptor]

and replace the index

☠️

i imagine Gimp has the same feature

ive just never used it for that purpose

[honest stag]

probably but it was easier for me to edit it in-wad and export as a quake wad immediately instead of having to unpack and pack back all that struff

[gritty forge]

fuckin

fuck wads bro

next level is gonna be untextured

[honest stag]

u need help? i can make whatever it is ur trying to do

probably

[gritty forge]

just the door indicator textures with red yellow blue

and

the siigil texture but deep red and transparent

sigil*

[honest stag]

drop em here

i'll try to make the wad real quick

[honest stag]

nice

but can you do a .zip instead lol

i'd appreciate

[gritty forge]

lol ok

[honest stag]

danke

gimme a minute

[gritty forge]

so ye

deep red transparent sigil

and

key colors on the other texture

[honest stag]

i'll do my best

it does NOT like the sigil lol

[gritty forge]

ouf

[honest stag]

i can still do it

[gritty forge]

gamr

[honest stag]

whoopsie it crashed

ofc

funny wally

im guessing im just dumb for trying to run that goddamn png

lemme re-do it to jpg

[gritty forge]

jpg has no transparency tho

[honest stag]

but we dont need it to be alpha-transparent

we need the quake transparent pixel

[gritty forge]

uh ok

This is black magic to me so

do ur thing

[honest stag]

i understand it like this
quake only says "ok, make this transparent" when it sees a specific pixel index

which is that sickly pink on the palette

anytime it sees that pixel it does transparent shit

yeah....

i gues

[vast palm]

@honest stag Does it work like the GE128 shader parameter in Quake 3?

Like one solid color gets treated as alpha

[honest stag]

i have absolutely 0 clue what you have said my guy lol

[vast palm]

Lol

[still raptor]

so

it works by not rendering index 255 in the palette

or yes i guess you could say 0 alpha

although you can use the renderamt parameter to also make things transparent

[vast palm]

Hmm

Never tried making Quake 1 maps so I'm trying to gather as much info as I can from here for now

I didn't know Quake 1 received more love than Quake 2 and 3 with regards to mapping and modding though

[still raptor]

yeah it got quite a bit

anyways, to visualize

in quake, its color 255 that represents transparent

you can generate whatever palette you want to use with dusk, you dont have to use quakes

but index 255 will always be transparent

and the format of the palette is very simple

just RGB values, one after the other, each component as 1 byte

for a total of 768 bytes (256*3)

[honest stag]

@gritty forge can you try shoving those in the makewad please

[still raptor]

so for example

i have replaced every single color in the palette with hot pink

and ruined someone's map

[honest stag]

"they said goodnight" by branflakes

[still raptor]

i did that with a text editor, and nothing more

if you want to get fancy, you can use a hex editor etc

[gritty forge]

transparency worked but

[still raptor]

so using this, you can make small tweaks to the quake palette, or instantly convert the quake palette to work with half life transparency by simply editing index 255 to match

[gritty forge]

its white and fucked

lol

[still raptor]

well, its likely whatever texture you are using, is trying to use alpha transparency

[honest stag]

fucking palette

nah i think i just recolored it without considering the palette

[still raptor]

which will always render at full alpha

[gritty forge]

it lookls hella thicc and scuffed tho

[honest stag]

fuckin yogurt cult symbol

[gritty forge]

idk

hahahaha

[still raptor]

i forget if we have added support for proper alpha textures

probably should if we havent

i think we did with half life stuff, i recall having to do something related to it to support PVK maps lol

[honest stag]

ok

hold the phone i'm calling the big guy

@alpine depot PLEASE MAN PLEASE HELP

he made some transparent stuff edits already

[bold orbit]

so

[alpine depot]

wha

[ancient depot]

tl;dr if the texture name starts with {, any pixels with palette index 255 (the last color) are made transparent

[bold orbit]

try saving the image as bmp instead of jpg so you don't get that stank compression that fucks the colors where the transparency should be

[alpine depot]

not sure if ive ever actually done transparent stuff

if anything i threw it into makewad and that worked?

dont recall though

[gritty forge]

so

[honest stag]

i distinctly remember you doing a bunch of transparent texture stuff

[still raptor]

lol fuck its so weird playing these maps with the hot pink palette

[gritty forge]

actually

[gritty forge]

a solid white color for a palette would be great for checking light levels

I bet

[honest stag]

i bet i can guess most of the maps anyway even by a screenshot with that palette

[still raptor]

thats very easy to make

just make every index byte FF

here hold on

[tepid python]

only reason why I didnt finish my multiplayer map yet is because I didnt feel like messing around with the color palette stuff

[ancient depot]

shat it out in a hex editor

[still raptor]

yeah

wait thats too large

[ancient depot]

discord filesize is weird

it's 768 bytes

[still raptor]

the actual size upon downloading is 1.85kb weirdly

[ancient depot]

wtf

[still raptor]

that should do it

[ancient depot]

wonder why the hell it suddenly bloated

[still raptor]

i have no idea

but yes here is how that looks

so you can texture your level and use it as a lightmap debugger

actually pretty based

now, just for ease of use, i would probably encourage editing the final color to be the quake transparency color

so that if youre using a texture to make something see through it will work correctly

[ancient depot]

shouldn't matter since it's only the index that matters

not the actual colour

[honest stag]

Nice makeshift superhot level

[still raptor]

oh right i forgot you arent reading textures for their indexed color

would make load times very slow comparatively lol

[still raptor]

yeah that makes sense duh

[ancient depot]

(that's from the rewrite codebase but the logic is basically the same in the old one)

[still raptor]

because its a wad its preprocessed anyways

[gritty forge]

https://nullpointpaladin.wordpress.com/2020/01/04/changing-the-quake-color-palette/

[still raptor]

a bit overkill

like we were saying, a simple hex editor is more than sufficient to get the job done

but honestly you could do a graphical palette creator/editor very easily and quickly

just need like a color picker UI

[gritty forge]

@honest stag did you figure out the yoghurt sigil problem

[muted glacier]

Cant wait until im done with the outdoor section of my map so I can finally do interiors. Lighting and decorating interiors sounds considerably more enjoyable than creating an outdoor environment/landscape. I ended up deleting my previously created landscape because it was causing light leaks all over the damn place, and I can make a better looking landscape anyway. That mess is what I have to look foward to when I get off work later.

[gritty forge]

slap every sunlight ericw's tools give you and forget about it 😎

[muted glacier]

[gritty forge]

updated lighting guys!!!

wow!!!!

[still raptor]

damn looks great

[crisp raven]

Y'all wouldn't happen to know the RGB values for the blue door indicators in the DUSK campaign?

[still raptor]

you mean just like

an average?

its a texture so its not just a single color

[crisp raven]

Yes an average would be most helpful

[still raptor]

but the specific tint is 0,97,255

which is applied to that texture

0061FF if you need the hex

[crisp raven]

Thank you. I got yellow and red down but the blue was looking off

🙏

[still raptor]

do you want the specifics for yellow and red?

[crisp raven]

Sure

[still raptor]

red is just 255,0,0

yellow is 255,237,0

[crisp raven]

Damn do you just know this stuff off the top of your head? 👀

[still raptor]

nah i have the editor open lmao

i was working on the switch port

so i can just check the materials lol

[ancient depot]

I should probably add pre-tinted variants in the update

[still raptor]

itd be easy enough

[crisp raven]

Thank you kindly Mr. _pts

[still raptor]

np

lmk if you need any other info

[muted glacier]

Nooby question here: can i import stuff that I make in blender into trenchbroom? Cause I completely forgot that I had a online course for blender that I havent started, and was wondering if that would help at all with TB.

[gritty forge]

I don't think so

[muted glacier]

I didnt think so. Alas the poor Blender course will have to wait until I find a use for it, or until I get compelled to finish my Unreal Projects. Probably not gonna happen until an actual release for Unreal 5 comes out though.

[still raptor]

there was someone who was working on that as a concept

melding mesh data into the bsp compilation process

[vast palm]

https://github.com/c-d-a/io_export_qmap

I never tried this myself but saw it some time ago

It should produce more accurate results if you export your geo as a v220/Valve map

Has anyone ever tried using GtkRadiant/NetRadiant to make Dusk maps?

[muted glacier]

@vast palm ill have to check that .map exporter out, and no, I think ive seen a Gtkradiant tutorial/spreadsheet online somewhere but never looked into it.

[vast palm]

I'm pretty experienced with Radiant so I wanted to avoid Trenchbroom at all costs 😅

[still raptor]

you absolutely can use radiant

JACK, trenchbroom, radiant, etc etc

as long as you can export as one of the supported BSP versions, its all good

[vast palm]

@still raptor , that's great! I've been trying to configure it for about 10 minuets now

Guess I'll have to convert the FGD to a Radiant-compatible entity definition format though

[still raptor]

you can use valve 220 if you desire

and yeah, the FGD will be your biggest hurdle

we will eventually release an official one

but thats got no specific timeline

so the community made their own

[vast palm]

That's cool

Might write a parser/converter for FGD files for those that want to use Radiant then

[still raptor]

yeah i think that there are a lot of radiant users who were sorta forced to used TB or JACK when they were more comfortable with radiant

and we definitely dont want to inhibit easy of use in any way, so we're trying to support as many toolchains as we can

[vast palm]

Nice

NetRadiant seems to use an XML-based entity definition file so I guess I might be able to convert the FGD to it using a FGD parser

[muted glacier]

This probably doesnt look like much yet, but I ended up deleting my terrain and starting over, and It looks much better already. I saved some Before pictures, but Ill have to find them later. this version isnt plagued with light leak issues, and Im about halfway done with the shown area.

https://imgur.com/gallery/uCS7XOm

I have to move each point exactly where I want it, and theres about 900 points on the whole plain so its been time consuming, but it looks really good in game

[vast palm]

Cool

Did you manage to export stuff from Blender as a map file?

[crimson patrol]

Woah that train thingy looks like my map

[muted glacier]

i havent looked at exporting from blender yet. and @crimson patrol whats your map? link it and ill play it

[crimson patrol]

Not finished (and won't be for the next decade) but the begginig area has a train

Benniging

Beginning

[muted glacier]

Oh lol. The trains really only at the start of mine if i stay according to my plan

[still raptor]

oh dang i like the train and snow

we should really give access to the snow and rain weather effects

[crimson patrol]

Just parent a fuckton of func details to func doors

And replace the frames per second measurement with seconds per frame

[gritty forge]

also

would it be possible to make it so that the new sdk applies proper lighting to models like vehicles and machines etc

not just a single even light color

[crimson patrol]

Yea pls

[gritty forge]

because in the campaign and duskworld things like forklifts have shading

[crimson patrol]

Thats why you should use my preset trees instead of dusk trees

[gritty forge]

oh and I just noticed that duskworld still has pumpkin mortars and sword has no sparkles

[crimson patrol]

Because its easier to light them up

[gritty forge]

and thats why I mostly make my own machines

[still raptor]

its a complicated issue

[still raptor]

because those things are being placed as entities, they do not get lightmapped when you run your map through light.exe

[gritty forge]

also just noticed this in duskworld

yea

how does it work in the base game

[still raptor]

the base game doesnt use bsp

[crimson patrol]

Any potential fixes for that?

[still raptor]

there are a few

[gritty forge]

ah so its still an entity?

[still raptor]

in the base game , there isnt really an entity concept

theyre just gameobjects with attached meshes, which because they are static, happen to get lightmapped

[gritty forge]

oh ok

[still raptor]

we had a conversation in here earlier about the potential for a bsp post process which would insert external mesh data before light.exe is run

that way you could lightmap entities if you wanted

[crimson patrol]

Yippee

[still raptor]

but there are some technical hurdles to that

[crimson patrol]

That sounds painful to make

[still raptor]

another potential solution is when the project is open sourced, you could bake it in unity and provide the data that way

[crimson patrol]

That sounds jank
I would go for the first solution

[still raptor]

probably the quickest and easiest way to do it is just to replicate the geometry with brushes in trenchbroom

but thats manual effort

theyre both about equally jank

[crimson patrol]

Hey, you could skip the manual effort and use me preset trees

[still raptor]

yeah exactly

but you had to put the manual effort in at some point

[crimson patrol]

And effort it was

It took like 2 weeks to make

And the cutouts require some turbojankery

[gritty forge]

and I aint fucking modelling a forklift myself

that sounds like torture lol

at least considering that I would have to match the existing textures with the model/brush I'm making

[still raptor]

yeah you would have to set the face offsets correctly

but the forklift is a pretty simple object overall lol

[muted glacier]

@crimson patrol i think i downloaded your trees that you made. Didnt read the text, placed one of the dead trees in my level, tried to compile and it crashed it lol.

But the rest of the trees look great

[crimson patrol]

Yea, tip for using my trees
Don't use the brush trees, use the cutouts

Like, don't use the brush trees ever

[muted glacier]

Why?

[crimson patrol]

It slows compiling by alot, and too many make the map uncompilable

The dead tree is broken

Even 1 breaks the compiler

[muted glacier]

Yeah. That happened to me. Any idea why?

[honest stag]

Bec there's a million small complex brushes

[muted glacier]

Makes sense.

[crimson patrol]

I think its because trenchbroom recognizes a group of brushes as one, and because the group has a fuckton of brushes it breaks the compiler

I could be wrong

Cutouts are the way of the future anyway

I have placed them in the hundreds and my map still compiles

Its great for scenery

[muted glacier]

On a different note, you said this. Could this be used to emulate rain?

[crimson patrol]

Sort of?

You would need alot of func doors and func deets

[honest stag]

Bad idea tbh

[crimson patrol]

Not practical on an actual map, but possible

[honest stag]

wont even look that great

[gritty forge]

• func illusionaries can’t be punched through

If you use those for the texture

[muted glacier]

Okay. I wasnt thinking large scale, but kind of like a dripping faucet or waterfall.

[gritty forge]

If you made rain outside a window where you don’t actually walk outside it would work great

[honest stag]

Should be fine then

[honest stag]

also sorry i havent responded - it was 1 am and i just fell asleep cuz i have 3 exams today

and no, i havent figured it out lol

[gritty forge]

oh ok np

[muted glacier]

1 am? Damn. Its 5 30 pm here.

[honest stag]

7-23 am right now

[gritty forge]

bro you are like

hella to the east

[honest stag]

pretty much to the north of china

[gritty forge]

wowie

[muted glacier]

Got some more done. Textured the cliffside, and experimented with grass terrain.

[honest stag]

Nice, looks pretty good

[gritty forge]

the tri soup is real

[honest stag]

Oh my god

i didnt realise at first cuz i was looking from my phone

[bold orbit]

my mans fuckin triangled up

[muted glacier]

hey, can someone explain how to make my output BSP file a BSP2 file?

[gritty forge]

yes gaming

[gritty forge]

how do you compile ur maps

cause I use cmd

and for that you do:

qbsp.exe -bsp2 <mapname>.map

[muted glacier]

oh. that worked. didnt realize it was that easy. thanks

[crisp raven]

Y'all don't use Necro's compiling GUI? 👀

[gritty forge]

ඞ

[muted glacier]

Download link has never worked for me for the GUI.

Unless im dumb, which might also be a possibility. Ive got a Compiler Gui that I found elsewhere, but whenever I try to launch Dusk through the GUI after it compiles, it doesnt work because it doesnt launch Dusk_SDK. But I can use it to make compiling easier. It also lets me output as -bsp2

[honest stag]

U dont have to relaunch dusk each time u want to reload the map

[crimson patrol]

Yea go into the modding menu and disable then re-enable the mod

[honest stag]

Dont need to do that either

Just start the map again from the menu

even while in the map

[honest stag]

Have you been doing that the entire time

[muted glacier]

So I can have dusk running and after it compiles just select the map?? I learn more every day. That saves me so much time. What the fuck. I didnt ever think to leave it open because I figured it wouldnt immediately update in game

[honest stag]

Im a simple user , but from my understanding the map is loaded into memory

so it doesn't matter if you delete/replace the map file

cuz its loaded once

then when you select it from the menu again it loads the new version

So in short

the gui doesn't need to be set to game launch

i just use it to make the process run from a single hotkey

and adjust compile options on a single click

[crimson patrol]

Wait so I didn't have to do that

[muted glacier]

Thats dope. How do you know so much? Any previous games experience? Or have you just picked it up over time?

[honest stag]

i've just been here since day 1 of sdk launch and constantly pestered those around me (especially zombie) about all the same things you're asking right now

and after mapping for quite some time those things are burned into my memory

so i basically started from 0

even then im far from actually understanding anything, all of my knowledge is surface level lol

compared to Bread or any quake mod guy

[ancient depot]

I'm not saying it'll come next update, but there's potential for it to be even more convenient in the rewrite due to how it's been written

The game can detect changes automatically, so theoretically you could have a completely empty mod folder, activate it in the menu, and as you start adding textures, models, etc, the game will notice and start loading them on the fly

I've prototyped it but it needs some tweaking before it gets added in proper

[crimson patrol]

Poge

[honest stag]

daaaaamn that's sick

[honest stag]

finally done with exams and shit
can't wait to pick mapping back up

[gritty forge]

Lessgo

got 1 more room, some minor tweaks left for my map

I also need to get the wad fixed somehow

then is done

[muted glacier]

Whats wrong with the wad?

[long anchor]

you never cease to amaze me, man

[gritty forge]

so excited to release crimson cesspool soon

it's longer than a long base game map

which idk if that is good or bad but I think it's cool

[steep remnant]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2298392941

[honest stag]

yea he read it

just was a bit of confusion

[steep remnant]

Oh cool.

[muted glacier]

Thanks anyway @steep remnant !

[steep remnant]

👍

[slender geyser]

Hey guys I got a question! How do I install Dusk texture packs, like how do I make them work?

[honest stag]

i'm assuming you're using trenchbroom?

or oh wait

you're talking about just texture mods right?

[slender geyser]

yup

just that

[honest stag]

ok so
first of all make sure you're on the SDK branch on steam
then go into the local files
navigate like this
SDK -> mnt -> local
and put your texture mod folder in there

[slender geyser]

mhm noted

[honest stag]

then open dusk, click "Modding" and enable the texture mod that you just installed

that should do it

[slender geyser]

thx chief

[sharp trail]

don't forget to go to #lfg-signup if you want to find players for duskworld as well

[honest stag]

What the FUCK are you doing here

GO BACK

SHOO

GO BACK TO #dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk

[sharp trail]

:( ok vriska

@honest stag

[honest stag]

fake
it's 21:43 right now

[sharp trail]

sorry i don't know about that i don't live on the end of the world like everyone else in this server

[honest stag]

also

the signup bot doesnt even work

you liar

[honest stag]

Not yet

[gritty forge]

They are planning it

It is only a ways off

[muted glacier]

is it possible to make a wall that the player cant walk through, but can still shoot through?

for example, have an invisible wall that prevents players from falling off the map into the void, but still allowing them to shoot through it at enemies on a distant cliffside

[honest stag]

illusionary wall then?

ah wait

func_clip

should do it

[muted glacier]

okay Thanks!