#dusk-modding | New Blood | Page 89

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 1:40 AM

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animation is where Valve MDL wins out

lament ore May 19, 2021, 1:40 AM

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I'm not too familiar with anything but Valve MDL but the modern tools for it make it quite pleasant to work with

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Wasn't always like that though Kappa

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 1:41 AM

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I've been considering Valve MDL support

lament ore May 19, 2021, 1:41 AM

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Loved back in the day when it would just tell you your qc is wrong and not where or why LUL

lament ore May 19, 2021, 1:41 AM

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ancient depot I've been considering Valve MDL support

yes plz that would be great

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even if only static models initially

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 1:41 AM

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we'll see

hard pollen May 19, 2021, 1:41 AM

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.USD is the only format.

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This is a scientific fact.

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 1:41 AM

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I'm more of an .AUD kinda guy

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🇦🇺

lament ore May 19, 2021, 1:41 AM

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.doge > .anything smh

honest stag May 19, 2021, 1:41 AM

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I tried using qc to add a custom model, fuggg

hard pollen May 19, 2021, 1:42 AM

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.ABC is also pretty based too.

honest stag May 19, 2021, 1:42 AM

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Custom model to quake that is

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Coulsnt figure out how to have a custom sound tho

lament ore May 19, 2021, 1:42 AM

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Yeah writing it from scratch can be a real hoot if you're a beginner. It's way easier to decompile a similar model and steal the QC from it and just adapt it to what you want to do

honest stag May 19, 2021, 1:43 AM

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I did that lol

lament ore May 19, 2021, 1:43 AM

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Do Quake MDLs store sound info? don't think HL MDLs do that but I could be wrong

honest stag May 19, 2021, 1:43 AM

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I dont think so

lament ore May 19, 2021, 1:43 AM

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this all reminds me that adding HL1 MDL support to assimp and submitting a PR is on my long list of things to do KEKW

honest stag May 19, 2021, 1:43 AM

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I was trying to get qc to play a sound when it fired and i cried

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 1:44 AM

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do you mean QuakeC and not qc files

honest stag May 19, 2021, 1:44 AM

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Ehh probably

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It was a while ago

lament ore May 19, 2021, 1:44 AM

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Yea that's what you mean

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Technically the qc files I refer to ARE Quake C files

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they're just special quake c files that use commands specifically for model compiling stuff

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hence .qc

honest stag May 19, 2021, 1:46 AM

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Ah ok got it

lament ore May 19, 2021, 1:49 AM

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somebody should fork whatever the go-to modern modelgen application is and let it accept other formats (fbx, dae, obj, etc) for smd files

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I imagine Source 2 probably does that

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CAN'T imagine they're still using smd in the year of our lord 2020

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 1:50 AM

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I wish I could banish fbx to the deepest depths of hell

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if I wrote a modern mdl compiler it'd use gltf sources

lament ore May 19, 2021, 1:51 AM

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gltf? never heard of it

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agree tho fuck fbx. Only say fbx because it's probably the most common format out there

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 1:51 AM

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basically a better, stable alternative to fbx, dae, etc

lament ore May 19, 2021, 1:51 AM

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o nice

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wonder if assimp supports it

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 1:52 AM

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it's standardized by the khronos group

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the folks behind opengl and vulkan

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and I believe it does

lament ore May 19, 2021, 1:52 AM

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poggers

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 1:52 AM

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Maximum Action used AssImp under the hood to load models and gltf files worked

lament ore May 19, 2021, 1:52 AM

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Have I ever posted my SGI shirt in here PEPW

lament ore May 19, 2021, 1:53 AM

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ancient depot Maximum Action used AssImp under the hood to load models and gltf files worked

Oh how is Assimp.NET? I've looked at it before but I avoided it for some reason but I can't remember why

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 1:53 AM

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Garbage

lament ore May 19, 2021, 1:53 AM

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ah. LOL

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 1:53 AM

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It's a really bad binding

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I was gonna write my own later

lament ore May 19, 2021, 1:54 AM

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yeah I figured that must be it. the real Assimp is quite a nice library

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naisu

hard pollen May 19, 2021, 1:54 AM

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Did lead to some fun quirks, like being able to have an animation playing on the mesh which was pretty fun for some things.

lament ore May 19, 2021, 1:54 AM

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Don't you love when like 90% of your project ideas aren't making things but rather making the tools to make things better PEPW

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 1:55 AM

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hard pollen Did lead to some fun quirks, like being able to have an animation playing on the...

To be specific, MA used a paid asset that itself used AssImp under the hood

honest stag May 19, 2021, 1:55 AM

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Pretty based

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 1:55 AM

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that bug was probably caused by that

lament ore May 19, 2021, 1:55 AM

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ancient depot To be specific, MA used a paid asset that itself used AssImp under the hood

Yeah I think I looked at that and saw it was poopy butts

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 1:55 AM

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Releasing a paid asset that is mostly just a wrapper around a free library is pretty cringe ngl

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unity asset store moment

lament ore May 19, 2021, 1:56 AM

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extremely so

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I used assimp in my very cursed SM64 project

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you may think, ah, you just inserted the 3d model into the scene, no big deal

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nay

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All of the SM64 stuff is rendered by an F3D to OpenGL wrapper in its own context

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I added a second OpenGL context and rendered quakemin in that

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and then composited the two scenes together with proper depth mapping and everything

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 2:01 AM

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that is an extremely cursed way to approach that

lament ore May 19, 2021, 2:02 AM

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yea KEKWlaugh

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the f3d wrapper worked in weird ways and trying to do anything outside of f3d corrupted the opengl state

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hence the two contexts

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it actually mostly worked apart from the skybox and some transparency things

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which I could've fixed but y'know. adhd. lmao

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 2:04 AM

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woke

lament ore May 19, 2021, 2:04 AM

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Brainrot

honest stag May 19, 2021, 3:46 AM

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bread

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bread what the fuck

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how did you skip the rat rank and insantly got priest

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amd you skipped crowman too

lament ore May 19, 2021, 3:49 AM

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wat

honest stag May 19, 2021, 3:49 AM

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ur rank on this server

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by activity

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u get rat first, then crowman, then priest

lament ore May 19, 2021, 3:50 AM

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any one of my interactions is easily worth ten of the rest of y'all's smh kappa

honest stag May 19, 2021, 3:50 AM

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lmao

crimson patrol May 19, 2021, 6:26 AM

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sbeve

gritty forge May 19, 2021, 9:06 AM

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lol

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 11:35 AM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/681585649719181384/844534335955664896/unknown.png

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Light style support WIP

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Featuring unfucked C1A0 alarm light

honest stag May 19, 2021, 11:36 AM

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does that shit BLINK?

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 11:36 AM

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Not yet but it will

honest stag May 19, 2021, 11:36 AM

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holy fug

crimson patrol May 19, 2021, 11:47 AM

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Thats some atmosphere

sleek ore May 19, 2021, 11:52 AM

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nice

gritty forge May 19, 2021, 12:21 PM

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OWO

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blinking lightssss

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efjifheifpe

vast palm May 19, 2021, 3:59 PM

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I wrote a program that converts Source Engine maps to Call of Duty a while ago

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https://github.com/KILLTUBE/corvid

GitHub

KILLTUBE/corvid

Source Engine level converter for Call of Duty. Currently in beta. - KILLTUBE/corvid

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Would it interest anyone if I added Dusk support for it?

gritty forge May 19, 2021, 4:00 PM

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uh

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was there a lost soul kind of enemy in dusk at some point?

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cause there seems to be in one of the trailers

gritty forge May 19, 2021, 4:02 PM

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vast palm Would it interest anyone if I added Dusk support for it?

sounds cool

vast palm May 19, 2021, 4:12 PM

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Yeah but it would be pointless for me to work on it if there was Source BSP support in the works 😅

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I just wanted to know if there'd be interest in it because I'd love to support the game in my own way

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 4:45 PM

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vast palm Yeah but it would be pointless for me to work on it if there was Source BSP supp...

The upcoming update can load Source BSP

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Although displacements are not yet supported

vast palm May 19, 2021, 4:47 PM

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Oh that's great

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I've never worked with BSPs before though, but is the way displacements work in them similar to how they work in VMFs?

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 4:51 PM

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I've barely looked at how they're stored in the BSP, so I don't know the details yet

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Source BSP is more of a gimmick feature than an actual priority

vast palm May 19, 2021, 4:53 PM

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Are you going to add support for other formats then?

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Like Quake 3's BSP format for example

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 4:53 PM

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Yup, already supported

vast palm May 19, 2021, 4:53 PM

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Ah that's good

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 4:54 PM

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The current public build of the SDK supports Quake 1, GoldSrc, BSP2 and Quake 3 format maps

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The upcoming build supports... a ridiculous amount of maps

vast palm May 19, 2021, 4:55 PM

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Then I can use Quake 3 map format's bezier curves to convert Source's displacements if I try converting Source maps directly from VMFs

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a ridiculous amount of maps
That's quite intimidating 😄

bold orbit May 19, 2021, 5:17 PM

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Does it support Chasm the Rift and HROT maps?

ancient depot May 19, 2021, 5:17 PM

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I may be crazy, but not that crazy

gritty forge May 19, 2021, 5:26 PM

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does it support SM64 and garfield kart custom maps?

crimson patrol May 19, 2021, 6:44 PM

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doesnt hrot run on its own engine

gritty forge May 19, 2021, 6:48 PM

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Yeah hrot is custom engine

gritty forge May 19, 2021, 8:04 PM

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does it support br00tal d00

gritty forge May 19, 2021, 8:21 PM

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gritty forge May 19, 2021, 8:31 PM

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gritty forge does it support br00tal d00

dooms map format is cringe

gritty forge May 19, 2021, 8:48 PM

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?

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but do it spuport br00tal do

crimson patrol May 19, 2021, 8:57 PM

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gritty forge

THAT ATMOSPHERE

long anchor May 19, 2021, 9:31 PM

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gritty forge

dude wtf it looks cool

lament ore May 19, 2021, 10:41 PM

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it's almost out of touch thursday my dudes

honest stag May 19, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Hell yea that looks sick as fuck

alpine depot May 20, 2021, 12:38 AM

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mmmmmmm

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delicious map,,

gritty forge May 20, 2021, 2:35 PM

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is there some not super advanced way to add illusionary textures to func doors?

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I wanna add some transparent textures on doors etc

honest stag May 20, 2021, 2:36 PM

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do you mean just like

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a fence texture?

gritty forge May 20, 2021, 2:43 PM

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say I want to add a blood splat on a door

crimson patrol May 20, 2021, 3:19 PM

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0.25 unit wide brush, with the blood splatter texture from the transparent wad

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slap it on the door

honest stag May 20, 2021, 3:19 PM

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nah

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or wait

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oh yeah youre right

ancient depot May 20, 2021, 3:28 PM

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In other words, you want the ability to place decals?

honest stag May 20, 2021, 3:29 PM

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on doors?

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or plain decals

ancient depot May 20, 2021, 3:29 PM

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Decals in general

honest stag May 20, 2021, 3:30 PM

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then it's just func_detail_fence

ancient depot May 20, 2021, 3:30 PM

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I was thinking actual projected decals

honest stag May 20, 2021, 3:30 PM

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ah oh

ancient depot May 20, 2021, 3:30 PM

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Where you can place an entity, specify a texture, and the game will generate a decal at load time for it

honest stag May 20, 2021, 3:31 PM

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yes please let me spray cs go graffiti all over my maps

ancient depot May 20, 2021, 3:31 PM

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lmao

gritty forge May 20, 2021, 3:39 PM

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yes decals

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essentially

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you know how one of the doors (in brimstone ghetto I think) has a "welcome back" text on the door

ancient depot May 20, 2021, 3:43 PM

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One of the easier options would be to just edit the texture to have text on it

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I think brimstone ghetto uses the in-world text feature for that, which will eventually be exposed to the SDK

honest stag May 20, 2021, 3:45 PM

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Look at this guy not making text from brushes LMAO WILDWOODY1

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But for real i find that to be a stupid but an alright option for custom text lol

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i uh may have used it way too much

ancient depot May 20, 2021, 3:47 PM

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reminds me of this outside ad_sepulcher lol

honest stag May 20, 2021, 3:48 PM

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I thought it said "superman's cock" for a moment

ancient depot May 20, 2021, 3:48 PM

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i wish

gritty forge May 20, 2021, 5:52 PM

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We need a sound mod that changes damage sounds to hentai moans

crisp raven May 20, 2021, 5:53 PM

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Zombie it's not too late to delete the SDK from existence

gritty forge May 20, 2021, 5:54 PM

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Zombie it's not too late to release the SDK

tiny pasture May 20, 2021, 6:16 PM

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Zombie please

sharp trail May 20, 2021, 6:21 PM

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gritty forge We need a sound mod that changes damage sounds to hentai moans

👀

dull bloom May 20, 2021, 6:40 PM

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gritty forge We need a sound mod that changes damage sounds to hentai moans

So who makes this?

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I already want it

gritty forge May 20, 2021, 8:00 PM

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ancient depot In other words, you want the ability to place decals?

what'd be the difference between a func_detail_wall

gritty forge May 20, 2021, 8:20 PM

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daily dusk mapping tip #1: scrapping simple blockouts / layouts is much less wasteful then scrapping entire already textured, lighted playable rooms
i recommend prototype.wad for blockouts

honest stag May 21, 2021, 2:01 AM

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no no
what you do is make 40% of the map and then scrap it

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repeat that at least 9 times

tiny pasture May 21, 2021, 2:07 AM

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I’ve got like two unfinished maps and I still have to actually put one on the modio

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I’m a gamer

crimson patrol May 21, 2021, 8:25 AM

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honest stag no no what you do is make 40% of the map and then scrap it

Nay, what you want to do is spend 6 months working on fucking scenery

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And then abandon the project after burning yourself out

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(I haven't got to step 2 yet)

gritty forge May 21, 2021, 1:15 PM

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looking for playtesters (that can record/livestream when they play)

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What I do to not burn myself out is add things and tweak till I'm kinda happy then build on it, and try not to be too ambitious

honest stag May 21, 2021, 1:17 PM

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i finally have some free time, so i can do a quick recording, or even play the map in a discord stream for you or somethign

gritty forge May 21, 2021, 1:18 PM

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sounds good

gritty forge May 21, 2021, 1:22 PM

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honest stag i finally have some free time, so i can do a quick recording, or even play the m...

the map is LONG btw

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probably a bit longer than the last one

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is big boi map

honest stag May 21, 2021, 1:25 PM

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i mean i played it already didnt i

gritty forge May 21, 2021, 1:27 PM

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yes but its expanded

gritty forge May 21, 2021, 2:42 PM

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you totally can put decals on doors btw

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using parenting

gritty forge May 21, 2021, 6:44 PM

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Also I wish we had a guns akimbo and reflective shots kinda powerup in DUSK

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those blood powerups are fucking fun

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and

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I want to quad-wield shotguns

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(im joking with this one)

slender path May 21, 2021, 7:27 PM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/30-rock-liz-lemon-jack-donaghy-VuWtVHkMjrz2w

Giphy

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We all want to quad-wield shotties

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Here's hoping some day we can get the "duct tape weapons together" functionality

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Then we can have crossbow quads, mortar hunting rifles, etc

gritty forge May 21, 2021, 7:39 PM

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we need the ability to dual wield cigars

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and then duct tape them onto weapons for life-steal

gritty forge May 21, 2021, 7:55 PM

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gritty forge using parenting

ok how the FUCK do you parent things

gritty forge May 21, 2021, 8:11 PM

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parentname key

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then use the targetname of whatever you're parenting to

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so that entity brush will move along with the one it's parented to?

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and those can be separate /multiple parented brushes

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sheesh so much awesome stuff could be created with that how come nobody talks about it

crimson patrol May 21, 2021, 8:15 PM

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We need more entity savants

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People who experiment with entity functionalities

gritty forge May 21, 2021, 8:20 PM

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I had an idea for a cool sequence featuring func_pushables

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but idk if it will work

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wait

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WHAT

crimson patrol May 21, 2021, 8:53 PM

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Func pushables haven't really been experimented with

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The only time people I've seen a func push able were some boxes in BlackIndusMisery

gritty forge May 21, 2021, 8:55 PM

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what's func_pushable

gritty forge May 21, 2021, 9:09 PM

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gritty forge what's func_pushable

OOOOOH

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thats cool

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but its breakable duskthink

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any keys for it?

gritty forge May 21, 2021, 9:26 PM

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yes

gritty forge May 21, 2021, 9:26 PM

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crimson patrol The only time people I've seen a func push able were some boxes in BlackIndusMis...

yes im adding them to my new map too

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@ancient depot sorry for the ping but do you know if objects like skulls affect performance on SDK levels much?

ancient depot May 21, 2021, 9:34 PM

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they shouldn't have any noticeable impact

gritty forge May 21, 2021, 9:34 PM

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even if you have a lot

ancient depot May 21, 2021, 9:35 PM

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unless you're cramming like 100,000 skulls into a room

gritty forge May 21, 2021, 9:35 PM

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(40+)

ancient depot May 21, 2021, 9:35 PM

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it's probably not gonna do much

gritty forge May 21, 2021, 9:35 PM

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hmm

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could it be the mages that kill my levels performance then

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anything else?

ancient depot May 21, 2021, 9:36 PM

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anything with particles or dynamic lighting can negatively impact performance

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torches, mages, poison, etc

honest stag May 21, 2021, 9:54 PM

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gritty forge sheesh so much awesome stuff could be created with that how come nobody talks ab...

Its weird AF when multiple moving part are involved

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But for a single moving thing - its pretty ok

crimson patrol May 21, 2021, 10:27 PM

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I wonder what happens when you parent things to pushables

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Probably nothing

honest stag May 21, 2021, 10:28 PM

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Thats actually a cool thing to experiment with

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ill do it when i have time

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 4:37 AM

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daily dusk mapping tip #2: lighting is hell

honest stag May 22, 2021, 4:37 AM

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counterpoint

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lighting is the most fun part of map making

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 4:37 AM

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countercounterpoint u do the best lighting

honest stag May 22, 2021, 4:37 AM

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lol thanks

alpine depot May 22, 2021, 5:19 AM

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lighting is AWESOME

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and COOL

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and GOOD

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YES

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yes

honest stag May 22, 2021, 5:19 AM

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^

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:26 AM

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colored lights are 🤌

honest stag May 22, 2021, 5:26 AM

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even basic white lights can be used in crazy ways

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:26 AM

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also til duskdude can climb up super steep slopes

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honest stag May 22, 2021, 5:30 AM

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breaking vents > opening vents

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change my mind

ancient depot May 22, 2021, 5:31 AM

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agree

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:31 AM

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🧯

honest stag May 22, 2021, 5:31 AM

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anyway good lights
i'd use some bounse light on that to get rid of most dark spots tho

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:31 AM

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takes way too long to compile

honest stag May 22, 2021, 5:31 AM

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pretty sure you can specify only some lights to bounce

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at least i think

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so like you dont have to slap that on the entire map, just some sections that need them

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also how long does it take you to compile?

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in the current state

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:33 AM

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let me check

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how do you check the log that compilinggui gives you during compiling

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nvm just found it

honest stag May 22, 2021, 5:34 AM

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do you use the gui or compile manually

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:34 AM

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📎 light.log

honest stag May 22, 2021, 5:34 AM

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ah whatever

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:34 AM

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gui

honest stag May 22, 2021, 5:35 AM

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so uh how long does it take ya

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:35 AM

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0.634 seconds without bounce apparently

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i use -extra4, dirt and dirtgain 0.4

honest stag May 22, 2021, 5:35 AM

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dirtgain? never used that
what does it do

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wait wait you don't use -soft?

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:36 AM

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-extra4 is soft

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i tried using soft equivalent but set higher but it made it look like minecraft 🤨

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i think dirtgain controls how much dirt does or something and dirt is like ambient occlusion

honest stag May 22, 2021, 5:36 AM

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oh right i forgot oops

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i do remember what dirt is

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just never meddled with it's settings

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:37 AM

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bounce on with 0.75 scale

📎 light.log

honest stag May 22, 2021, 5:37 AM

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1.5 seconds aint long at all and looks way better imo

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:37 AM

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its only 25 lights

honest stag May 22, 2021, 5:38 AM

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yeah
it's worth it in the end imo

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:38 AM

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im gonna check what bounce looks like

honest stag May 22, 2021, 5:38 AM

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just keep in mind that you may need to adjust it a bit

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cuz it may look too bright

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:38 AM

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i read somewhere on ericw light that you can make -bounce colored to the textures that the light bounces off of

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which is fucking awesome

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maliciouspog

honest stag May 22, 2021, 5:39 AM

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_surface is based

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just wanted to throw that out there

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:39 AM

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whats that do

honest stag May 22, 2021, 5:39 AM

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makes a specified texture emit light

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:39 AM

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oh

honest stag May 22, 2021, 5:40 AM

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"Makes surfaces with the given texture name emit light, by using this light as a template which is copied across those surfaces. Lights are spaced about 128 units (though possibly closer due to bsp splitting) apart and positioned 2 units above the surfaces."

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:40 AM

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_bouncecolorscale 😳

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honest stag May 22, 2021, 5:41 AM

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mad i missed so many things in documentation

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fucking textrue projection?

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texture*

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:41 AM

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difference is a lil subtle

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but the room is a little yellow pog

honest stag May 22, 2021, 5:42 AM

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how about the first area

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:42 AM

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looks the same to me

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gonna take a comparison

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no bounce color scale

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turned on

honest stag May 22, 2021, 5:44 AM

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so you use both bounce and bouncecolorscale&

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?

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:44 AM

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yeah

still raptor May 22, 2021, 5:44 AM

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that map is lookin pretty cool

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:44 AM

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thanks

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_bouncecolorscale goes on the worldspawn keys

honest stag May 22, 2021, 5:44 AM

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ok yeah i just wanted to compae bounce and no bounce

honest stag May 22, 2021, 6:33 AM

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not even 15% into the map

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fuck

alpine depot May 22, 2021, 6:33 AM

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huegh

crimson patrol May 22, 2021, 6:39 AM

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Hey, atleast its not 7 minutes WITHOUT any lighting

honest stag May 22, 2021, 6:42 AM

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my suffereing is actually invalidated compared to your compiling times lol

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Ignore the cube please thank you

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crimson patrol May 22, 2021, 7:02 AM

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Bro these are so good

honest stag May 22, 2021, 7:12 AM

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Thanks

ancient depot May 22, 2021, 7:13 AM

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I am staring directly at the cube

honest stag May 22, 2021, 7:13 AM

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NOOO

honest stag May 22, 2021, 8:39 AM

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god i love texture work and lighting

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it's the best part of mapping
i hate making actual gameplay tho

crimson patrol May 22, 2021, 8:53 AM

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i can help you make some scenery

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wink wink

honest stag May 22, 2021, 8:54 AM

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oh i dont mind scenery either

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basically anything decorative is fun

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 3:21 PM

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how exactly do I go about light-proxying entities?

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I want them to have more a of a standard "white" lit color to stick out in rooms with more coloured lighting

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And I want entities to have a set/baked lighting colour on them like in the base game

crisp raven May 22, 2021, 3:28 PM

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honest stag

But will it be released?

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 4:35 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/547831402914381845/845700630445686814/unknown.png

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starting to rework the lighting

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looks brighter and less flat imo

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lemme know what you think

crimson patrol May 22, 2021, 4:38 PM

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SKADE THIS IS SO GOOD WTF

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 4:39 PM

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old version for reference

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notice how it looks a lot more smudgy and dark

crisp raven May 22, 2021, 4:41 PM

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Looks much better

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 4:41 PM

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agreed

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I just need to figure out the light proxy stuff to make pickups fullbright

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cause otherwise they blend in too much with the environment

ancient depot May 22, 2021, 4:42 PM

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you set lightproxy to the targetname of another entity

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and the entity will then copy the lighting of whatever is in the lightproxy value

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 4:42 PM

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I tried putting a light entity and have a target key which targets a pickuo

ancient depot May 22, 2021, 4:42 PM

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so you can have a dummy entity somewhere under a white light

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 4:42 PM

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pickup

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is this wrong?

ancient depot May 22, 2021, 4:42 PM

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and set the light proxy to that

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 4:43 PM

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oh is the thing you place called lightproxy?

ancient depot May 22, 2021, 4:43 PM

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nah it's a property for any entity

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so basically let's say you have two monsters

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 4:43 PM

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ohhhh

ancient depot May 22, 2021, 4:43 PM

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one is named bob and the other is named dick

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if you set bob's lightproxy value to dick

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then bob will always be lit as if he was in the same location as dick

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 4:44 PM

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like this?

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cropped bad

ancient depot May 22, 2021, 4:44 PM

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yeah

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 4:44 PM

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ah ok

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thx boss

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how many funcs & triggers from half life are usable

ancient depot May 22, 2021, 4:46 PM

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mostly the basic entities

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 4:46 PM

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any dusk exclusives?

ancient depot May 22, 2021, 4:46 PM

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rotating stuff, timed triggers, etc

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func_pushable is also supported

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dusk has trigger_changemusic

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 4:47 PM

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oh yeah

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thanks

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@ancient depot not sure if I did it right, I set lightproxy then name on the light entity then used targetname with the same name, then I tried changing targetname to lightproxy

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but it wont work

neon pivot May 22, 2021, 4:58 PM

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do dusk maps support custom music?

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 4:58 PM

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I guess I misunderstood

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 4:58 PM

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neon pivot do dusk maps support custom music?

yes

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but not super sophisticated atm

ancient depot May 22, 2021, 4:58 PM

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the light entity doesn't require anything

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you just set lightproxy to the name of another entity

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 4:58 PM

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ohhh

neon pivot May 22, 2021, 4:59 PM

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i want to make music for a custom dusk map

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 4:59 PM

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so I can make an out of bounds room with a certain light and lightproxy things in there to things I want to have that certain colour

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 4:59 PM

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neon pivot i want to make music for a custom dusk map

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2298392941

Steam Community :: Guide :: Ultimate guide to Dusk Mapmaking

All the other guides on how to make maps for dusk are awful. This one will teach you how, and by the end of this guide you'll be set with a workshop of tools that'll let you make maps for dusk!...

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guide on how to set up trenchbroom for dusk mapping & get the sdk

ancient depot May 22, 2021, 5:00 PM

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gritty forge so I can make an out of bounds room with a certain light and lightproxy things i...

yeah

neon pivot May 22, 2021, 5:00 PM

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i dont think i want to make a map tho

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i just want to make the music

tranquil mulch May 22, 2021, 5:00 PM

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gritty forge https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2298392941

Yoink. Properly borrowed indefinitely.

crimson patrol May 22, 2021, 5:02 PM

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tranquil mulch Yoink. Properly borrowed indefinitely.

if you decide to learn some tb, consult me if you need tips on scenery

alpine depot May 22, 2021, 5:03 PM

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gritty forge https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/547831402914381845/845700630445686814/unk...

holy shit

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thats kickass

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:03 PM

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ancient depot yeah

and both entities have a lightproxy key that link them?

ancient depot May 22, 2021, 5:03 PM

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only one entity needs a lightproxy key

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:03 PM

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but how do I get them to link then

ancient depot May 22, 2021, 5:03 PM

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the entity that you want to change the lighting of

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you can make an info_null with the targetname red, and place it over a red light

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and then set lightproxy on a pickup to red

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 5:16 PM

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yeah I cant get it to work lol

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 6:45 PM

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for renderamt

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does a higher amount make the texture more or less transparent with rendermode

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1

crisp raven May 22, 2021, 7:26 PM

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less

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 7:46 PM

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gritty forge yeah I cant get it to work lol

did you get it to work?

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nope

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let me try

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doesn't seem to work

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i tried info_notnull too but it didnt work either

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@ancient depot you sure it actually works?

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sorry for ping 😬

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yeah i dont think it works

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fek

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I really need it

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 9:59 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/547831402914381845/845782314885316629/unknown.png

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/547831402914381845/845782667055333436/unknown.png

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old version below

crisp raven May 22, 2021, 9:59 PM

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Glad you removed the floating corpse

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 10:00 PM

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LOL

crisp raven May 22, 2021, 10:00 PM

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It just didnt really fit the scene tbh

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 10:00 PM

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yes

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feels too much like half-life

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:29 PM

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i did get lightproxy to work before

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:29 PM

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how\

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:29 PM

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so i might be able to do it

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dunno, i just did

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:31 PM

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gritty forge <@!124710273368981505> you sure it actually works?

eyo

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which entitity are you trying to lightproxy again? guns?

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:31 PM

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yeah, guns, ammo, health etc

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pickups

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:32 PM

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i havent tried it with pickups but i did get it to work so lemme test it real quick

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:32 PM

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aight

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thx fam

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:32 PM

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It's really unintuitive

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:32 PM

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I can tell

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hahahaha

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I just want my pickups to be fullbright!!

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is that so much to ask!?!!?

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:33 PM

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i managed to do that with a prop and an object

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a blue-ish light is lightproxying this outside

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time to test pickups

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:33 PM

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nice

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:33 PM

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Here's an example

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:33 PM

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Would be cool if we could just target a light onto a thing with a targetname / lightproxy key

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:33 PM

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honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:33 PM

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yea basically that

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:34 PM

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The box in shadow is proxied to the other

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:34 PM

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yeah you don't proxy it to a light

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:34 PM

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but how do I "link" them

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so they get proxied

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:34 PM

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1 moment, i'll see if pickups work

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and tell ya

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:34 PM

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okei

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it should look like this right

📎 lightproxy.map

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:35 PM

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gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:35 PM

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woa

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woah

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rainbow cultists when

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:36 PM

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You can get very creative with it for dynamic lighting

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:36 PM

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never managed to make it work like that

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ey

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it works with pickups

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:36 PM

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oh nice

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:37 PM

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alright so here's how i do it
you need an entity that can take light
i used a chair in a room outside the map which is birghtly lit up

that chair has a targetname "proxyname"

the pickups have a property "lightproxy" set to "proxyname"

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iunno maybe this is wrong but

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:38 PM

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So it doesn't have to be an entity that can take light

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:38 PM

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it works

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yea i tried with info_null before and it didnt work

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:38 PM

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It can be elevators, doors, trains, pushables, etc

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:39 PM

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tried with brush entities and couldnt get it to work either

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maybe i did it wrong tho

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:39 PM

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That video is it with a brush entity

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Uts using func_train, which I know you guys don't have

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:39 PM

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yea i tried to replicate that
maybe i should try again

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ah

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:39 PM

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But it's conceptually the same

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:39 PM

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well still similar to that yeah

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:40 PM

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wtf am i doin wrong

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honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:40 PM

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i'll try the door setup again

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:40 PM

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honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:40 PM

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is that diamond even lit up

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:41 PM

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both of them are, 1 with red and 1 with white

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oh i got it to work

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:41 PM

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try to replace the targetname diamon with some other entity?

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aight

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:41 PM

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i had them swapped except apparently it doesnt work with some entities

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??

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nevermind it just doesnt work with the info nulls i tried

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the

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the fuckin dusk ruby

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epic

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now I can make my entities have baked lighting

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I hate it when I place barrels and they go white instead of coloured and shit

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:43 PM

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trying to make it dynamic noiw

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omg

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it works

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:44 PM

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lets say, hypothetically, i put the entire map in a func_group and add phong to it

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leon

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:44 PM

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wow holy balls

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it actually works

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:44 PM

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epic

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:45 PM

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yeah ofc it works lol

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you can do crazy stuff like it

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:46 PM

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i can't believe it lol i tried so many times

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:46 PM

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YES

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IT WORKED

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:46 PM

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i experimented with doing a time of day change

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:46 PM

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All I did wrong was use target instead of targetname

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lol

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:46 PM

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so that when i pressed a button, it would move an entity, and the lightproxied trees would get brighter etc

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:46 PM

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that is so sick

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:46 PM

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potentially you could do a lightning strike that way

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:46 PM

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true

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cool idea

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:47 PM

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theres a lot of really whacky stuff you can do, thats why i added that

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especially while we knew it would be some time before you guys would have access to light styles

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which is now no longer very far away

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:48 PM

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oh hell yea

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shame literally no one figured out how to use it in a map untill like 2 months ago lol

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:49 PM

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yeah we didnt really document or explain it at all lmao

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you can do enemy recolors this way too i guess lol

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just for fun?

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:50 PM

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make a small mage red

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funny

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:50 PM

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anyways yeah now i expect to see off-map light bake rooms

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:50 PM

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color coded enemies that you have to kill to open doors

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like a blue enemy in a crowd opens a blue door

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:50 PM

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mage red but not red

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:50 PM

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thats why i had the stupid multicolored slider in my example video

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:51 PM

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you bet im using that stuff

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so wait just to confirm

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:51 PM

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its meant to show how you create off map light bakes that the player cant see to effect entities inside the map

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:51 PM

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can you dynamically change the light of a brush entity?

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:51 PM

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i believe so, i dont remember 100% lol

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:52 PM

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imma try i guess

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:52 PM

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that might not be the case

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:52 PM

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yeah makes sense

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:52 PM

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the real intended use is to color objects that arent correctly baked

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but the fun effects you can do are a bonus on top of that

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:54 PM

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nah doesnt work

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should have figured that lol

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:54 PM

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maybe something worth adding though

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:54 PM

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honest stag can you dynamically change the light of a brush entity?

does it work with phong

still raptor May 22, 2021, 11:54 PM

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but light styles also kind of replace that

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because they do effect brush geo

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:54 PM

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isnt phong only for models?

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oh wait i misread the documentation i forgot

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probably not? but i can try sure

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:56 PM

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\

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:dreamed: spotlights?

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i stg if this works

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:56 PM

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ye i was asking about this yesterday

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only 1 way to find out i guess

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also i tested with phong and it doesnt work

gritty forge May 22, 2021, 11:57 PM

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dam

honest stag May 22, 2021, 11:59 PM

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i managed to project a texutre

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pretty damn tricky though, the fov and the angle have to be just right

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actualyl it may not even be right jeez

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whatever this isnt worth it lol

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:06 AM

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wtf....

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where dream....

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:06 AM

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yeah it might not be working right
can you show the full setup just in case

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:06 AM

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idjundensrstand

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#

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2 of the lights are "dreamed" and "DREAMED" and the texture is called DREAMED

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:07 AM

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it projected a caution line texture and it worked

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it's weird

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also

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:09 AM

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now its just not a spotlgiht

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:09 AM

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remember how we talked yesterday about -extra4 and -soft

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:09 AM

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yea

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:09 AM

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there IS a difference when you compile with both

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and separately

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hold on

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just -soft

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wait wrong one

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this one is just -extra4

still raptor May 23, 2021, 12:11 AM

#

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i prefer extra soft

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:11 AM

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WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS BULLXSHIT

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:11 AM

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this is both at once

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extra 4 soft

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:11 AM

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its an I

still raptor May 23, 2021, 12:11 AM

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👀

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:12 AM

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so i guess i'll stick with my long ass compile times with both -extra4 and -soft

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:13 AM

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awwww man

still raptor May 23, 2021, 12:14 AM

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where is the dreamed

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:14 AM

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i thought it would like project the texture as light like that 1 gmod thing

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:14 AM

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same

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but its lame

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:14 AM

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its lame

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:(

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so fucking lame

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:14 AM

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i did like how it projected the caution line texture tho

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pretty cool effect

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:14 AM

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whats that look like

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:14 AM

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try it, it's a dusk tex

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called "caution"

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:15 AM

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my question is where the fuck is my projector :dreamed:

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nice

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:16 AM

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yea see

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:16 AM

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maybe i had the light brightness too high leonthink

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:16 AM

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it's aight

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wait fuck

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you DO have the brightness at 200

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2000*

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my 300 light was actually making the yellow color

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maybe you aslo need the .lit file

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if you dont already have it

still raptor May 23, 2021, 12:18 AM

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you cannot have any color without a .lit

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so yeah youd need it

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:18 AM

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bruh holy shit now is not the time to fuck up, trenchbroom

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:18 AM

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maybe it's not generating it cuz you didnt use a light with _color somewhere

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or something i dont know

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:19 AM

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OHJ MY GOD

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ITS SO FUCKINHG UBEATIFUL

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BEATUIFUL

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😍

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:19 AM

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lmao

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that means i can actually make a more authentic movie screen projector

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daym

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:20 AM

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lightmap is too low res

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must find a way to fix

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:20 AM

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get the light closer?

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:20 AM

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we can make it better, more beautiful

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:20 AM

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or further away

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maybe it works like lense focus

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like you can probably do that with properties but still

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:21 AM

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here it is

tranquil mulch May 23, 2021, 12:21 AM

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You just gave me a twisted idea.

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:21 AM

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oh god dont go overboard with this

tranquil mulch May 23, 2021, 12:21 AM

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That image, as a minigame in your game; where it's a sliding piece puzzle.

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:21 AM

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16x the detail

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:21 AM

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you dont fuck around with lightmap scales

tranquil mulch May 23, 2021, 12:22 AM

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Is that in response to Q, or me? lol

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:22 AM

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q

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:22 AM

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sometghings not right here...

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it wont show me the key in the compiling thing....

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and its not taking insane amouints of itime

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this is BULSHIT

tranquil mulch May 23, 2021, 12:23 AM

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Hmm.... I wonder if a game can be coded to recognize multiple monitors.

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:23 AM

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did you put it on the right thing?

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:24 AM

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gamma works but lightmap scale doesn't

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:24 AM

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it's a brush property after all

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:24 AM

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maybe it is warning me leonthink

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JHELL YEAH BABY

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:24 AM

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oh not brush sorry

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worldspawm

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yea sick

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:25 AM

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wat

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:26 AM

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how high did you raise the scale

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16x?

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:26 AM

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im gonna go to 1.5

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ITS NOT WRITITNG THE .LIT

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WHAT THE FUCK

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surely sombody in the quakemapping discord has had this same problem

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theres gotta be a way to push the limits

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1.5 is not enough

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malicious

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:29 AM

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welp

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:29 AM

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what does -soft n do

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if -extra4 implies -soft 3 then how come -soft 16 does not give me rtx on?

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-soft 16

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minecraft lookin ass

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:30 AM

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guess it tries to smooth out things too hard

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:32 AM

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nvm

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ill just make the light bigger

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and ill make the map bigger

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maybe i can make an entire sun that's just :dreamed:

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:32 AM

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does the compiling time increase

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:32 AM

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i havent seen any increase yet

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lets see

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:32 AM

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huh
_sun with texture projection? jesus

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:32 AM

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imagine

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maybe too bright

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honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:35 AM

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jesus

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 12:36 AM

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still nearly instant compiling time

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0.150 seconds

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clearly not big enough

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the scientist found his way back on the control panel

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😢

honest stag May 23, 2021, 12:43 AM

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where's the 4k custom texture for notes

crisp raven May 23, 2021, 12:43 AM

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gritty forge

SPREAD THOSE LEGS

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 1:08 AM

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will the sdk rewrite have vis support

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daily dusk mapping tip #3: taking a look at architecture you like from images can help you while detailing your finished blockout map

honest stag May 23, 2021, 1:18 AM

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additional tip for that - please please look out for the scale that you're using

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more often than not it's easy to get into the architecturing the map and forgetting about scale

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and then it's "oh, this map feels like im an ant"

crisp raven May 23, 2021, 1:20 AM

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true

honest stag May 23, 2021, 1:21 AM

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i think i went a bit overboard with pretty castle stone-like textures in my map

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 1:21 AM

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more screenies

honest stag May 23, 2021, 1:21 AM

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it's all a bit too grety

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 1:21 AM

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mmmmmmm

honest stag May 23, 2021, 1:21 AM

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with lighting it's not cuz it's night

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but still

honest stag May 23, 2021, 1:44 AM

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time to moody light this up

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 1:45 AM

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HOLY DAMN THIS IS AWESOME.

honest stag May 23, 2021, 1:45 AM

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big thanks

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the lightmapping process makes my laptop die sadleon

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i will fucking die before i finish this map even halfway

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 1:55 AM

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Getting some Rune/Thief vibes

honest stag May 23, 2021, 1:56 AM

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someone told me my map looks like a theif level already lol

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i'll take it as a compliment

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 1:57 AM

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approved

honest stag May 23, 2021, 1:58 AM

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i still have to finish the outsides of all buildings
terrain
scenery
and i havent even started on INTERIORS
gooodd intreriors will actually take forever

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and gaemplay too

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aint even that big of a map

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but i do want to see this map to completion for once in my life

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i've been working on it for longer than any of my other abandoned maps so that's promising

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 3:21 AM

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wait so the entity that's gonna be used as the proxy base

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should it have the targetname key or the lightproxy key

honest stag May 23, 2021, 3:21 AM

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targetname

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 3:21 AM

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okay good

honest stag May 23, 2021, 3:21 AM

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lightproxy goes on the entity that recieves light

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 3:26 AM

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does lightproxy work on brush entities

honest stag May 23, 2021, 3:30 AM

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no

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 3:31 AM

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FUCK

still raptor May 23, 2021, 3:38 AM

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but you can use brush entities AS the light proxy

honest stag May 23, 2021, 3:39 AM

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which is da way to do dynamic lights that was shown off in that vid

still raptor May 23, 2021, 3:39 AM

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yep

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i wish you guys had func train

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but unfortunately we had some precision issues with it

honest stag May 23, 2021, 3:39 AM

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so btw does that method grab the pixel below the brush to lightproxy it's light level/color?

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or what

still raptor May 23, 2021, 3:39 AM

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youll probably get it in the rewrite etc

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yep

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thats exactly right

honest stag May 23, 2021, 3:40 AM

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ok yea makes sense

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from which point tho
center of mass>

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?

still raptor May 23, 2021, 3:40 AM

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i think thats the case yeah

honest stag May 23, 2021, 3:40 AM

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got it, thx

still raptor May 23, 2021, 3:40 AM

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i forgot, its been a while

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at any rate, the main use case it was for was like, if someone had a tree half sunk in the ground it would be black

honest stag May 23, 2021, 3:41 AM

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still raptor May 23, 2021, 3:41 AM

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so using this you could recolor it correctly

bold orbit May 23, 2021, 5:52 AM

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honest stag but i do want to see this map to completion for once in my life

Same here

sour hollow May 23, 2021, 10:07 AM

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honest stag

honestly I'm in love with this

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there are not many maps with gray palettes these days

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or games

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I say keep it like that, it's got a good charm around it

honest stag May 23, 2021, 10:17 AM

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thanks mang

gritty forge May 23, 2021, 11:15 AM

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@honest stag I know why the arena broke btw

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Last minute I removed some mages to improve performance and forgot to tie a scarecrow I had replaced a mage with with a target key so the counter broke

muted glacier May 24, 2021, 1:49 AM

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This is maybe gonna seem like a stupid question but, does anybody know how to achieve transparency on png textures? Completely new to map making, and the fence textures of trees (or the tops of corn used in the 2nd or 3rd level) are transparent png images, but in TrenchBroom's editor, the transparency is reverted to a black background.

crisp raven May 24, 2021, 1:50 AM

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muted glacier This is maybe gonna seem like a stupid question but, does anybody know how to ac...

Check the pinned messages there's a link to a Dusk .wad with proper transparency

muted glacier May 24, 2021, 1:51 AM

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👍 Thanks

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You're a literal god send. I have been looking for literal hours for a solution to that, and it instantly worked. Didnt realize it was that simple

crisp raven May 24, 2021, 2:04 AM

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Yeah I know the struggle of modding Dusk without being on the discord

gritty forge May 24, 2021, 5:53 AM

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cough lightproxying cough

honest stag May 24, 2021, 5:53 AM

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i cant even imagine modding without this discord

alpine depot May 24, 2021, 12:00 PM

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ikr lol

gritty forge May 24, 2021, 2:05 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/472070186934206476/846386304215154748/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/472070186934206476/846387565182844968/unknown.png

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/472070186934206476/846386557500915782/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/472070186934206476/846387786471047208/unknown.png

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/472070186934206476/846386743602315274/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/472070186934206476/846387976861909062/unknown.png

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upper are reworked, lower is the old lighting

crimson patrol May 24, 2021, 2:06 PM

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Classic awesome skade map

gritty forge May 24, 2021, 2:07 PM

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:D

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also I'm gonna add that red glow from the cultish circle in the last pic

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and make the circle itself more red

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that room is still a work in progress

muted glacier May 24, 2021, 3:06 PM

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Ive yet to get to the lighting aspect of mapping. Should be a Nightmare dusksoap

honest stag May 24, 2021, 3:07 PM

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Best part of mapping

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dont let anyone tell you otherwise

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also sick screenshots

crimson canopy May 24, 2021, 3:34 PM

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How does one make maps?

honest stag May 24, 2021, 3:35 PM

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With trenchbroon

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broom*

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Or a goldsource level editor

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But most people use trencbroom

gritty forge May 24, 2021, 3:40 PM

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wait goldsource lvl editor?

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is it different from hammer?

gritty forge May 24, 2021, 3:41 PM

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honest stag Best part of mapping

Disagreed! Creating rooms and combat encounters is more fun 😎 and also making a maps that have good flow

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lighting is one of the most important things for atmosphere though so probably one of the more important things

honest stag May 24, 2021, 3:41 PM

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I fuckin hate making gameplay lol

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its the last thing i do

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and i honestly half-ass it

gritty forge May 24, 2021, 3:42 PM

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for me gameplay is usually first and the rest second

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because that's what dusk is to me

honest stag May 24, 2021, 3:42 PM

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i should collab on a map or something

gritty forge May 24, 2021, 3:42 PM

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map collabs are underrated

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I come from the geometry dash community where it's super common

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well, come from is an overstatement but I used to be active there

muted glacier May 24, 2021, 4:09 PM

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In regards to lighting, i know nothing other than basic point lights in TrenchBroom. Is there a way to do Global lighting like you would see in something like Unreal?

gritty forge May 24, 2021, 4:10 PM

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yes but im bad at it

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it involves setting a sun and sun angle etc

bold orbit May 24, 2021, 4:10 PM

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honest stag i should collab on a map or something

👀

gritty forge May 24, 2021, 4:10 PM

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and you can also have a global even light but its a bad thing generally

high magnet May 24, 2021, 4:16 PM

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idk what's so fun about lighting

honest stag May 24, 2021, 4:16 PM

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i mean

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it literally makes the map atmosphere

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sure you can rely on brushwork but lights really complete everything

muted glacier May 24, 2021, 4:18 PM

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Ive done lighting in Unreal and thats pretty fun, but i like creating rooms more in Trench. Ill try and see if ive got footage of an unfinished Unreal project somewhere. Maybe ive uploaded it somewhere and it will be easy to link Rune

honest stag May 24, 2021, 4:18 PM

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i'd say the only part that is as fun as lighting is texture work

high magnet May 24, 2021, 4:19 PM

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idk lighting is mostly pretty arbitrary for me, beyond just "This should be bright, this should have noticable shadows, there should be a contrast of light here" and so on

crisp raven May 24, 2021, 4:20 PM

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Let's be honest folks by the end of a maps development the best part is not having to see it ever again

high magnet May 24, 2021, 4:21 PM

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I'd say by the end you can appreciate its value as a level and not just a project to work on

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Also

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sneak peek

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honest stag May 24, 2021, 4:22 PM

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can i just like make a map that you walk around on with no enemies and look how pretty it is

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ey nice

crisp raven May 24, 2021, 4:23 PM

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Walking sim map

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Do it now before someone steals your idea

honest stag May 24, 2021, 4:23 PM

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container house block vibes

high magnet May 24, 2021, 4:24 PM

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Those are all built on the side of skyscrapers btw

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That's where the poorest people have to live and take shelter

muted glacier May 24, 2021, 4:25 PM

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Found my unfinished unreal project. Ive worked on it since but no update in 4 months...yeesh andrew

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https://youtu.be/HkCk73vJ32c

YouTube

Strissel Studios

Nacht Der Untoten Unreal Engine 4 Remake Progress DevLog #5

This is The 5th Update for the Nacht Der Untoten UE4 remake I am currently working on. I will be working on the room with the mystery Box in the coming week, along with possibly starting on the upstairs sections.
I am currently enrolled in several Udemy classes pertaining to C++ and Game design, and hope to later code in the actual game mechani...

▶ Play video

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Ignore my cringe voice WILDWOODY2

bold orbit May 24, 2021, 4:49 PM

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Cool stuff but I think that'd go in general modding?

gritty forge May 24, 2021, 4:56 PM

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walking sim map in dusk!

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?

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CRINGE

crimson patrol May 24, 2021, 5:18 PM

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my map is gonna get delayed a bit, as i am working on another project

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which involves uv unwrapping and texturing

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which hurts

bold orbit May 24, 2021, 5:34 PM

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Blender, 3DS, or Maya

muted glacier May 24, 2021, 5:41 PM

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Walking sim? Just kill all the enemies and walk around with a cigar

honest stag May 24, 2021, 6:41 PM

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you know what

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im making a puzzle map fuck gameplay

gritty forge May 24, 2021, 7:28 PM

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how do you light only one texture with a light again

honest stag May 24, 2021, 7:29 PM

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you can just light a brush with a default light level can't you

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the _surface thing makes a texture EMIT light

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as in, light up things around it

gritty forge May 24, 2021, 7:58 PM

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muted glacier In regards to lighting, i know nothing other than basic point lights in TrenchB...

don't

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global lights kill contrast & they're lazy

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any way to make a constantly repeating door

honest stag May 24, 2021, 8:04 PM

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nah
skade KINDA did that tho

muted glacier May 24, 2021, 8:04 PM

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thanks. ill keep that in mind

honest stag May 24, 2021, 8:04 PM

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by just placing triggers everywhere that would constantly toggle the door whenever it opened

gritty forge May 24, 2021, 8:17 PM

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daily dusk mapping tip #4: you can improve your map's scale by constantly taking out info_player_start and putting your camera near duskdude's head
keep in mind that duskdude moves faster then ranger & he's a little taller
you might also want to turn down the brightness in trenchbroom, cause DUSK is DARK AS FUCK

honest stag May 24, 2021, 8:17 PM

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oh hey my tips are comin in

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nic

gritty forge May 24, 2021, 8:38 PM

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I try my best to keep the scale relatively in-line to make my levels feel more vanilla

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Don’t know how well I succeed in that

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but

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cat

crimson patrol May 25, 2021, 5:06 AM

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bold orbit Blender, 3DS, or Maya

Blender

honest stag May 25, 2021, 5:24 AM

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I can highly relate to hating uv unwrapping

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What a goddamn awful process

crimson patrol May 25, 2021, 5:46 AM

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Substance* painter is cheating

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I'm not gonna use it

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(Also because I'm poor)

honest stag May 25, 2021, 5:49 AM

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I just googled it

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holy shit wtf

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150 BUCKS OH FUCK

crimson patrol May 25, 2021, 5:50 AM

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Yea

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If you have substance* painter you probably ain't playing around

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That shit is for the big boys

honest stag May 25, 2021, 5:54 AM

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Isn't it substance painter

crimson patrol May 25, 2021, 5:54 AM

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Wups

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Anyway, fuck unwrapping

honest stag May 25, 2021, 6:03 AM

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Agreed

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unwrapping from view can help tho

gritty forge May 25, 2021, 9:12 AM

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after school tomorrow I’m finally free

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cat

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My slave labour will be over for the year

honest stag May 25, 2021, 9:13 AM

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wish i had that
i still have at least 10 days before i can fuck off to mapping

gritty forge May 25, 2021, 9:13 AM

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Oof

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what do you study

honest stag May 25, 2021, 9:14 AM

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teaching english/german as foreign languages (cuz im russian)

gritty forge May 25, 2021, 9:14 AM

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Ooo

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cool

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I do computer science stuff

honest stag May 25, 2021, 9:14 AM

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based

gritty forge May 25, 2021, 9:14 AM

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And also

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Take psychology lessons as a side-course kinda thing

honest stag May 25, 2021, 9:14 AM

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we cant

gritty forge May 25, 2021, 9:14 AM

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good thing is I’m done with physics and math untill university

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Got a full year without both ahead

honest stag May 25, 2021, 9:15 AM

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good job mang

gritty forge May 25, 2021, 9:15 AM

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:)

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Gonna be focusing mostly on software stuff, mostly working with programming and interface design etc

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Usually game related but its applicable to other things

vast palm May 25, 2021, 11:57 AM

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crimson patrol (Also because I'm poor)

https://armorpaint.org/

ArmorPaint | 3D PBR Texture Painting

ArmorPaint is a software designed for physically-based texture painting.

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^ This is pretty much the open source equivalent of Substance Painter

honest stag May 25, 2021, 11:58 AM

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oooh
OOOOH

vast palm May 25, 2021, 11:58 AM

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Never used it myself but it looks promising

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||And I too hate UV-unwrapping||

honest stag May 25, 2021, 11:58 AM

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anything that makes uv unwrapping at least a little bit easier is a must for me

vast palm May 25, 2021, 11:59 AM

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There has to be some Blender addons out there that should help you with that

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But nothing beats doing those manually

honest stag May 25, 2021, 12:00 PM

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urghhhh

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yeah true

crimson patrol May 25, 2021, 12:07 PM

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OOOOOOO

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thabks

honest stag May 25, 2021, 1:46 PM

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4 all u arch makers

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/464535987993706518/466303305132408844/tex45.gif

mortal narwhal May 25, 2021, 2:16 PM

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czg curve my fren

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https://www.quaketerminus.com/hosted/happymaps/curv_tut.htm

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjzYKGm_DQk

YouTube

dumptruck_ds

Mapping for Quake: Advanced Curves Part 1

Award winning Quake mapper Bal shares methods for making advanced curves in TrenchBroom. This is part 1 of 2. NOTE: at 4:34 the graphic for the EXTRUDE function should read: Ctrl+Shift+Left Click+Drag

CZG’s Curve tutorial
http://www.quaketerminus.com/hosted/happymaps/curv_tut.htm

Mapping for Quake on ...

▶ Play video

honest stag May 25, 2021, 2:16 PM

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The

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WHAT

mortal narwhal May 25, 2021, 2:17 PM

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the c u r v e

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oooOOOOooo

honest stag May 25, 2021, 2:17 PM

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Oh fuck i swear i watched that video

mortal narwhal May 25, 2021, 2:17 PM

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amogus

honest stag May 25, 2021, 2:17 PM

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amogus

crimson patrol May 25, 2021, 2:25 PM

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AMONGEEES

bold orbit May 25, 2021, 3:21 PM

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AMOGLUS

crimson patrol May 25, 2021, 3:30 PM

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jesus christ making textures is so much more fun than unwrapping

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bold orbit May 25, 2021, 4:05 PM

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I find UV mapping to be theraputic

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since I know its gonna take fucking hours

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may as well chill while doing it

gritty forge May 25, 2021, 4:15 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/472070186934206476/846777827930931260/unknown.png

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oh no

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the spaghetti tube broke

sharp trail May 25, 2021, 4:46 PM

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will there be individual spaghetti strings?

gritty forge May 25, 2021, 9:26 PM

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DAILY DUSK MAPPING TIP #5: Compiling & optimization

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Map taking too long to compile // runs like shit? We can improve that

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If you want to decrease your map's compiling time, you'll need to understand how ericw's compiling tools even work

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QBSP turns your .map into a playable .bsp. All the faces the player won't see get cut out and stuff

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LIGHT lights up your map, duh

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VIS is basically QBSP's bigger brother, it improves & optimizes the map's performance by making visleafs to determine what it should & shouldn't render for the player iirc

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While QBSP is turning your map into a bsp, it splits & removes faces. If you wanna reduce compiling time, you can reduce the eventual face count in your map by using skip textures, detail brushes or combining brushes. Keep in mind that many faces will already be removed by QBSP during compiling

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Detail brushes make QBSP & VIS's work a little easier by putting them into vis groups or some shit idk

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The func_detail_wall doesn't split the face while compiling, however this can cause some lighting overdraw so it's up to you

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You can also use some command line options to speed up compiling

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As for performance optimizations, you can try cutting down on dynamic lights like props / objects that produce light

vast palm May 25, 2021, 9:37 PM

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Does Quake 1 maps have an equivalent of Quake 3's caulk texture? Or can we just use any other texture on brush faces that won't be seen by the players?

gritty forge May 25, 2021, 9:38 PM

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caulk?

vast palm May 25, 2021, 9:38 PM

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Yeah

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It's a tool texture like clip, hint and skip

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It basically does the same thing as the nodraw texture in Source Engine

gritty forge May 25, 2021, 9:39 PM

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there's a difference between that and skip?

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Skip is a texture much like clip in that it is invisible, but skip's use is to remove an entire face from ever rendering, and a brush does not have to be fully textured in skip.

vast palm May 25, 2021, 9:40 PM

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Well the hint texture is used for manual culling/partitioning

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But caulk is just an invisible texture that affects the culling like any other texture used on brushes

gritty forge May 25, 2021, 9:41 PM

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i don't think that exists for quake 1 but ill look in the quake mapping discord

vast palm May 25, 2021, 9:41 PM

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I never mapped for Quake 1 or GoldSrc, so that's why I'm asking that question

gritty forge May 25, 2021, 9:42 PM

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doesn't look like it exists for quake 1

vast palm May 25, 2021, 9:43 PM

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I'm guessing portals also don't exist in Quake 1 BSPs

gritty forge May 25, 2021, 9:43 PM

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think they do but i've never used them

vast palm May 25, 2021, 9:44 PM

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Hmm

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In Quake 3, it is possible to seal an area using a portal brush so that area will be seen only when the portal is on screen

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Maybe I should just stick to Quake 3 BSPs 🤷

gritty forge May 25, 2021, 9:50 PM

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😳 lightmap scale real

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14.366 seconds elapsed

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what the fuck

honest stag May 25, 2021, 10:00 PM

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For the stuff you said above - should be noted that the unseen faces are cut out only when the map is sealed

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And the map is sealed when there are no entities that are able to "see" the void

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You can also outright disable vision when compiling for the time being

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its not supported after all

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Vis*

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And maps running like shit more often than not have to do with particle effects and dynamic lights from dusk

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candles, enemies with particles like mages will cause fps drops for sure

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Like skade's map, reducing the enemy count if its too large can help

honest stag May 25, 2021, 10:12 PM

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bold orbit I find UV mapping to be theraputic

I dont believe you what the fuck

bold orbit May 25, 2021, 10:12 PM

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Vrisk

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you've seen me work

honest stag May 25, 2021, 10:12 PM

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Well i mean

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fuckin hell

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i just cant comprehend those words

honest stag May 25, 2021, 10:17 PM

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gritty forge https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/472070186934206476/846777827930931260/unk...

Is this the tube that slides up and down

bold orbit May 25, 2021, 10:18 PM

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Vrisk you still wanna collab with someone?

honest stag May 25, 2021, 10:18 PM

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Yeah, im neck deep in uni for the next week tho

bold orbit May 25, 2021, 10:19 PM

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F

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Best of luck

honest stag May 25, 2021, 10:19 PM

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thx

gritty forge May 26, 2021, 8:21 AM

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last proper day for me

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lessgo

gritty forge May 26, 2021, 8:45 AM

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Gonna be spending this week and onward lighting my map

honest stag May 26, 2021, 9:04 AM

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eyyyyy nice

gritty forge May 26, 2021, 5:13 PM

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mannn

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I wish I could use candles

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well

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actually not