dusk-modding

[honest stag]

oh wait

someone posted this a while ago in response to grey textures in jack

1. Remove all wads under Options->Game Profiles->Textures
2. Select Quake map type under Options->Game Profiles->Game
3. Under texture tab, select the quake.pal file from C:\Program Files\Jack\quake as the palette file
4. Switch map type back to Half-Life
5. Re-add WADs

dunno if it's real or not but hey

[gritty forge]

Works

[honest stag]

ey nice

[gritty forge]

hmm

somehow i just cant download the sdk files

steam being wonky again

anyone got a download?

[crimson patrol]

bathroom scientists attack

[gritty forge]

i am in pain

[gritty forge]

poggers

[honest stag]

i have a version of the sdk in google drive

but it might be an older one

not sure

lemme check

if it's old i can update it and sent it to you @gritty forge

[gritty forge]

send the link

[honest stag]

i checked and the version i uploaded was the old one

so i'll have to pack up a new version for ya

[gritty forge]

dew it

[honest stag]

i'll put it to upload now and send it to ya in the morning
cuz it's very late for me and i gotta hit the bed

[spark patrol]

uhh any1 know how to get past trough "rotten meat" part in sinners trial map?

woho nvm found it! twas the good old: shoot trough the floor to get trough)

[honest stag]

@gritty forge https://drive.google.com/file/d/18pdX3uhgiR39Ffmx6J815VObcZ6rTbtn/view?usp=sharing

also

in "local" plz clear out every folder that isnt "dusk"

i just have a lot of garbage in there that i forgot to clean out

mostly unfinished mods

[crisp raven]

Vriska leaking unfinished maps 👀

[gritty forge]

[crisp raven]

The crowd goes wild

[crisp raven]

Can't play these maps they're all in Russian

[honest stag]

funny things is

"my maps" folder has a fuckton of other people's maps

i just use it to test shit

[crisp raven]

PLAGIARISM

[honest stag]

80% of these arent mine

[crisp raven]

Broke: Lower 2 when?

Woke: loooool.bsp when?

[honest stag]

i actually have no idea what that might even me

lemme check

oh it was a func_breakable test map

right

dont even remember what exactly i was testing

[gritty forge]

my map is in there

[crisp raven]

Vriska claims it's HIS MAP

[honest stag]

every single map is in my mod folder i can assure you

[crisp raven]

It's in the MY MAPS FOLDER

[honest stag]

i dont delete them

[crisp raven]

😱

[honest stag]

not only every released one, but a fuckton of unreleased stuff that people sent to me months and months ago for testing that never saw the light of day

i really should have deleted stuff before uploading lol

my mod folder is 3.72 gigs lol

"local" that is

[alpine depot]

6.19 gigs for my local folder lol

but i gotta subtract how many gigs the dusk folder is

oh its just 1.01 gigs

so 5.18 gigs

BUT thats also including all my zips too

ok thats just half a gig

so the entire mod.io page so far is 4.68 gigs

roughly speaking

probs a few hundred megs difference

LETS GET IT TO 10 GIGS!!!!

[honest stag]

wow damn what do you have there?

i dunno how is it that much heavier when i have all the maps and a lotta mods lol

[alpine depot]

same as you, basically every mod on mod.io lmao

[honest stag]

ah

[alpine depot]

a lot of old map builds cuz i dont backup anything lmao

might do that actually rn

bouta bend over to the corporate overlords n shove it all into a google drive or smth

oh dang it has 15 gigs total nice and OH MY GOD I DONT EVEN REMOTELY ORGANIZE ALL THE SHIT THATS IN HERE

HUEEGH

oh no

it lives

my first attempt at a mod and it was a shitpost one

replaced textures and sounds n whatnot

hell its 42gb

mb*

i dont deserve computer rights if i ever make a 42gb shitpost mod lmao

[honest stag]

i'd be down for a crack dusk

[alpine depot]

oh hell yeah thatd be amazing

gotta be a collective effort of the entire modding community tho

gotta make dusk history

[honest stag]

it would need maps

another texture/sound replacement mod wont cut it

[alpine depot]

nuts.wad taken to a whole 'nother level

ok changed my nickname to better fit what i am universally renowned for

[honest stag]

same

[alpine depot]

nice

man i really gotta crack down on my maps again

when summer hits you know ill be grinding out some sick ass BSPs

i got cyberdusk, the next map after downtown showdown, and a map i never got around to making for the spring jam

so thatll be cool to take em off the backburner and give em a well-deserved bake in the oven

though im kind of a master at breaking metaphorical ovens so we'll see how that goes

[analog hazel]

dusk mod that when you spin the weapons they say "weeeee"

[bold orbit]

vrisk

[honest stag]

h

[bold orbit]

onse?

honse?

[honest stag]

dunno lol

[gritty forge]

thank you

i can now enjoy getting bludgeoned to death by a door on a custom map

[gritty forge]

yo

my entities just look like bounding boxes

[honest stag]

Did you follow the fgd instructions?

Any errors?

[gritty forge]

it's me

well

i loaded the dusk fgd

as external

[honest stag]

Did you put the p

[gritty forge]

the "p"

[honest stag]

Oops sent by accident

Lol

The .pak file

In the correct folder

[gritty forge]

wait where am i supposed to put that

[honest stag]

should be in your quake game path, in ID1

that folder specifically

[gritty forge]

hmm

am i supposed to have the whole quake game in it

[honest stag]

nah

[gritty forge]

oh cool

[honest stag]

are you using the general game preset or quake?

[gritty forge]

quake preset

[honest stag]

ok then go into that folder that you're using for the game path

and see if a folder called id1 is in there

if not, create it and put the dusk.pak there

[gritty forge]

okay

so

i made an id1 folder and put the pak in it

but it did basically nothing

[honest stag]

does it show any errors in the console

[gritty forge]

it cant find any game model actually

[honest stag]

yeah i figured, because all the models are in dusk.pak

hm

[gritty forge]

also i have it like this

[honest stag]

nah that's not how it should be

[gritty forge]

figured

[honest stag]

that path should just be pointing to a folder

any folder

[gritty forge]

which path

[honest stag]

actually wait

you don't need the game engine path

so

go into preferences

then click quake

and the top line "game path" should point to a folder

any really
but inside of that folder should be id1

and dusk.pak inside of id1

[gritty forge]

wait so

should i point it to my mapping folder or the id1 folder

[honest stag]

the mapping folder
but id1 should be inside of it

[gritty forge]

ok yeah that did it

[honest stag]

there you go

[gritty forge]

well

time to do a pro mapper trick

[honest stag]

also sorry i forgot to put the nyarl model into the fgd

[gritty forge]

time to spam rats

i am a certified pro mapper now

also

can i run the map with trenchbroom

[honest stag]

No

You need to compile it and run in dusk

[gritty forge]

do i export as *.map then compile

with the compiling gui

[honest stag]

Yes

[gritty forge]

Rats!

its working as intended

[honest stag]

Any spaces in names of folders or files?

Map included

Or dots

[gritty forge]

it seems like it wants me to add a maps folder to the working folder

yeah that didnt help

[honest stag]

The stuff above didn't help?

Show the full window pls

[gritty forge]

i think it leaked

just like hl2 mapping

[honest stag]

The bsp shpuld be present

It compiked tge map

[gritty forge]

---- FillOutside ----
*** WARNING 10: Reached occupant at (-64 -48 18), no filling performed.
Leak file written to unnamed.pts

[honest stag]

Yes but the map is present

[gritty forge]

yeah

[honest stag]

And playable

[gritty forge]

well

i got a bsp file

[honest stag]

Yea

[gritty forge]

only a bsp file actually

[honest stag]

Sounds about right?

[gritty forge]

well

how do i load the map

[honest stag]

Pinned messages

One if the first ones

[gritty forge]

yeah i cant find my mod in the modding menu

[honest stag]

Did you set the mod right

Folder in "local" for the mod itself, a "maps" folder inside of your mod folder, and the bsp inside of that

[gritty forge]

yeah i think i managed to uh

wait which ones was i not supposed to delete

[honest stag]

Put a palette file outsude of the maps folder

Pinned mrssages

[ancient depot]

did you delete the dusk folder in mnt/local?

[honest stag]

Messages*

[gritty forge]

probably

[honest stag]

And that too lol

Told ya to leave ut

It*

[gritty forge]

i have created something beautiful

t-posing soldiers

yo

how do i load the dusk textures

[honest stag]

Dusk wad

[gritty forge]

hmm

trenchbroom gives me internal pain

can i use hammer instead

[honest stag]

Did you check any TB tutorials before this

Also yes you can

[gritty forge]

niice

how do i set it up with hammer then

[honest stag]

Make a map

Use map

[ancient depot]

Yeah there's not really anything special you need to do

If you can produce a BSP in Quake, GoldSrc or Quake 3 format

You can use it

[gritty forge]

hm

or instead

how can i just disable doing this with the face tool

[honest stag]

Pls look at tb tutorials lmao

Itll help a lot

[gritty forge]

no

how do i disable doing that with the face tool

[honest stag]

Esc to deselect a tool

Then hotkeys that you learn in tb tutorials lol

[gritty forge]

what are the hotkeys

[honest stag]

:^)

There's a bit too many ok

[gritty forge]

hotkeys to

[honest stag]

Youll need more my man

Learn em now in tutorials

[gritty forge]

m

what are the hotkeys to

like

use the face tool like a simple scale tool

[high magnet]

Disable what

[gritty forge]

this

[high magnet]

Yeah what is this

What do you not want to do

[gritty forge]

that

[high magnet]

What are you even trying to do

[gritty forge]

so it just goes straight

[honest stag]

do you need theshearing tool or something

[high magnet]

Basically you need to select this icon at the top left and then with that if you hold shift you can extend the side of a brush

[gritty forge]

hmm yes

2D view

this will do

[high magnet]

???

[gritty forge]

okay found it

im going to just use 2D view instead

hh

well

im going to use netradiant

excellent

unpog

no custom files

hhh

time to try hammer editor

[honest stag]

The fgd isnt for hammer btw youll have to do shit the old way

[gritty forge]

read the fgd then

easy

[honest stag]

Huh?

[gritty forge]

hmm

can it run goldsource

[honest stag]

??????????

[gritty forge]

"iff you can produce a BSP in Quake, GoldSrc or Quake 3 format
You can use it"

[honest stag]

Yea

[gritty forge]

hammer > trenchbroom

[honest stag]

Whatever ur comfortable with i guess

[tiny pasture]

Real gamers use trenchbroom 💪😎

[gritty forge]

real gamers use hammer

[high magnet]

average hammer fan vs average trenchbroom enjoyer

[honest stag]

Real gamers use things rhey like

[gritty forge]

hmm yes

i crashed hammer by loading the fgd

[honest stag]

Its... Not made for hammer

[gritty forge]

i know

[high magnet]

He knew

[gritty forge]

the 2D view is far worse than the 3D view in trenchbroom

[ancient depot]

TrenchBroom was designed with only using the 3D view in mind

[honest stag]

2d view is kind of useless to me personally

[ancient depot]

I don't think it even had a 2D view at first

[high magnet]

I agree I only use the 3D view

[tiny pasture]

I’ve only ever toggled 2d view on accident

[honest stag]

Same

[gritty forge]

2D view > 3D view still

[tiny pasture]

Ehhh

[ancient depot]

It all depends on the workflow you're used to

[honest stag]

Neither of us used the otger option so

[ancient depot]

If you've only really used 2D-focused tools before, then of course 3D-only will be a bit weird to you at first

The TrenchBroom workflow is a lot closer to more modern workflows

[tiny pasture]

If you use the 3D enough you’ll get used to it

[high magnet]

Switching between the different perspectives sounds like a pain tbh

[gritty forge]

the trenchbroom face tool gives me internal pain

along with the other tools

[high magnet]

Why

[honest stag]

But yoy havent used it...

Like at all lol

[gritty forge]

now these are top tier

[honest stag]

Never got used to em

[gritty forge]

impossible

[honest stag]

Really hated hammer tbh

[gritty forge]

the hl1 hammer editor

[honest stag]

Tb was very intuitive to me

[gritty forge]

tb was not intuitive to me

[honest stag]

Cuz you use hammer

[high magnet]

Yeah no shit you don't want to watch the tutorial

[gritty forge]

okay

[honest stag]

Thattoo lol

[gritty forge]

i "successfully" managed

to load a map

good

i am most impressed

it actually loaded

also your fgd worked

it actually loads

nice

what are the dusk texture names would be helpful though

[ancient depot]

You can just use a texture wad as you would with standard goldsrc mapping

If you put that texture wad in your mod's directory, the game will use it (assuming the map references it)

[gritty forge]

"not a valid wad3 file"

for dusk_transparent.wad

[ancient depot]

I think the community one is a WAD2

[honest stag]

Convert wuth wally?

[gritty forge]

also

i think the game interprets my brushes oddly

or the compiler

who knows

[ancient depot]

You can try loading the map in Half-Life to confirm or something

[gritty forge]

well

also

thanks to the uhh

fgd thingy

[honest stag]

Np i guess lol

[gritty forge]

i can actually place entities without name guessing

it gets a little manual but still

no way someone can find hammer unintuitive

[honest stag]

I think 90% of people do

[gritty forge]

no

hmm yeah

it seems

its duplicating my brushes

thats not very epic

unfortunately

time to use trenchbroom

[ancient depot]

That's... weird

What compiler are you using?

[ancient depot]

Rather, which qbsp is that

Most people here compile with ericw-tools' qbsp.exe

[gritty forge]

ericw-tools-v0.18.1-32-g6660c5f-win64

[ancient depot]

Hmm

Can you send the .map?

[ancient depot]

I think this might be some obscure SDK bug

I tried loading it under the current internal codebase, and there's no duplication

but loading it under the Steam version, there's the dupes

[gritty forge]

current

hmmm

send to receive 🍪

[ancient depot]

OH

I see the problem

you have two worldspawn entities

[gritty forge]

pog

well now what

[ancient depot]

Just remove one of them

or combine them

like if you open your .map in a text editor

[gritty forge]

i have only one worldspawn entity that i can see

[ancient depot]

you'll notice this:

[gritty forge]

oh

[ancient depot]

two have classname set to worldspawn

quick and easy change would be to just do this:

[gritty forge]

well the bug is gone

/my brain being flat-problem

[ancient depot]

Yeah, maps aren't supposed to have more than one worldspawn entity so the SDK doesn't really know what to do when that happens

So it just duplicates the map

lmao

[gritty forge]

hmm

[ancient depot]

In the next patch it's a bit smarter about it and just combines them for you when it loads the map

but it's still a problem with the map rather than the SDK itself

[gritty forge]

h

what else could i use instead of trenchbroom then

[honest stag]

Jacj

[ancient depot]

J.A.C.K. is what the Hammer fans use

[honest stag]

Jack*

[ancient depot]

It has a commercial release on Steam, and a free version on ModDB

[gritty forge]

so its

hammer for quake?

[ancient depot]

yeah pretty much

a team of people recreated hammer for their own use

[gritty forge]

pog

[ancient depot]

and then released it as a tool for others to use

[gritty forge]

thats good

no trenchbroom time

[ancient depot]

they later went on to create Perilous Warp, which I believe they also used JACK for

[gritty forge]

well

im guessing JACK > trenchbroom then

[honest stag]

Didnt you say hammer was better and decided to not use ut lol

[gritty forge]

well

technical difficulties

its still better

also

[tepid python]

is func_train implemented

[gritty forge]

JACK is asking me for a .shader file

i only have a wad

[honest stag]

Dude watch some tutorials lok

[gritty forge]

shut

i certainly dont remember asking

[ancient depot]

you should be able to just ignore the shader file

our resident JACK enthusiasts would know more though

[gritty forge]

why the fug would jack want a shader file

[honest stag]

Like 1.5 of them

[gritty forge]

well i selected the Quake III option

[ancient depot]

You'll want to go for Quake or GoldSrc

Quake 3 is only partially supported and has a lot of extra complexity

[gritty forge]

okay so

well

my textures are black and white so

should i go for quake

[ancient depot]

If they're black and white, you need to load a palette

The Quake palette (palette.lmp) is pinned in this channel

[gritty forge]

its asking for a .pal

but thankfully the zip has one

[ancient depot]

palette.lmp is also a .pal

a .pal is just a raw 768 byte file containing RGB colours

which is what palette.lmp is, so you can just rename it

[gritty forge]

its still grey

[ancient depot]

even after clicking apply?

[gritty forge]

yes

[ancient depot]

try restarting the program or something lol

[gritty forge]

yeah that fixed the uh

textures

but it cant load the models

[ancient depot]

I don't think there's a model pack for jack currently

unless it can load quake .mdl files

[gritty forge]

it can probably

[ancient depot]

you can try extracting the .pak file that comes with the fgd

it contains all the models

it's just a regular quake pak, so PakExplorer, Slade3, etc can all be used for that

[gritty forge]

actually

hl2 models are also probably .mdls

so it can probably use them

[ancient depot]

different kind of .mdl

[gritty forge]

oh yeah

[ancient depot]

quake mdl, goldsrc mdl and source mdl are all different formats

[gritty forge]

Game Formats Support: because of flexible plugin system the editor supports many formats of game resources and correctly displays them. They are models of different formats(Quake MDL, Half-Life MDL, Quake2 MD2), sprites (Quake SPR, Half-Life SPR, Quake2 SP2), map sources (MAP, RMF). There is an ability of import and export in RMF format preserving most of its specific features (object colors, grouping, visgroups), so that J.A.C.K. can be used along with VHE.

[ancient depot]

You'll probably just have to extract them then, yeah

[gritty forge]

hm

so i just

make a file called

"progs"

i mean

folder

and put MDLs in it

[ancient depot]

that'd probably work yeah

I'm not familiar enough with the specifics of JACK to know for sure though

You might need to edit the fgd

[gritty forge]

seems to do it

certain MDLs have an error of invalid vertice count apparently

[ancient depot]

They're probably higher poly than the Quake engine limit

[gritty forge]

well its ready to go now

[ancient depot]

The MDL format can store models with more detail than the og Quake engine will attempt to load, so it's probably just warning you about that

[gritty forge]

well

cartdog and some other few models are just big red boxes instead but

should work ingame

CITY4_7 is missing though

and CITY2_1

wait

how big are buttons supposed to be

[ancient depot]

thickness: around 4.8 quake units
height: around 26 quake units
width: around 16.6 quake units

if you're trying to imitate campaign buttons

[gritty forge]

yes campaign buttons

what about the uh

texture changing

on press

[ancient depot]

not implemented currently, so people usually duplicate the button with the pressed texture, and then make it move into itself to hide the non-pressed one

[gritty forge]

hmm

a little problem

the editor isnt showing any numbers and i cant tell when i reached 26 quake units

[ancient depot]

there might be an option in preferences to show them or something

[gritty forge]

what are quake units in uh

hammer units

[ancient depot]

should be effectively the same

[gritty forge]

well

[ancient depot]

that's about right

in the campaign they're usually embedded into walls

so you don't notice how thick they really are

[gritty forge]

actually

[gritty forge]

would thickness be this side

the 2D perspective is kinda just

[ancient depot]

think of width/height in 2d and the thickness is the depth

[gritty forge]

okay so

what about that

[ancient depot]

looks right to me

maybe a tad too tall

[gritty forge]

changed the height a little

[ancient depot]

For comparison

[gritty forge]

CTRL+S then F5 then open compiling gui seems to be the optimal hotkey combo

[ancient depot]

You can also edit your dusk_win.bat to skip the dos intro sequence to be quicker

[gritty forge]

what about this then

[gritty forge]

how

[gritty forge]

nice

also

is it possible to make a barrel explode by pressing a button or something

[honest stag]

kind of

you can make a barrel telefrag another barrel

which will make them both explode

that's the way we do explosions in general right now

[gritty forge]

also

so uh about that button

so i made duplicated the button and changed the texture

but the button still just

doesnt move

trying to do a button now

[crimson patrol]

Wtf does the shear tool do

[honest stag]

Its weird but useful

Play around witg it you'll see what i mean

[crimson patrol]

I did

Can't find any uses

[honest stag]

I used it a couple tines for sone detail brushwork

Also railings for stairs

[crimson patrol]

I use the face tool for railings

[honest stag]

Ye theres a lot of ways to do it

Shear tool is just one of them

[gritty forge]

i made this thing

[crimson patrol]

I love the freedom when it comes to doing things

In tb

[gritty forge]

it just

press F11 it saves the map to .map in JACK

[honest stag]

I have ptsd with the shear tool because i used to overuse it and it caused problems later

[gritty forge]

then it compiles it with the uh

compiling gui

and shows you dusk

useful

[crimson patrol]

U should watch dumptruck ds

He has guides on tb

[honest stag]

Hes not usingvtb

Tb*

[gritty forge]

jack > tb

[crimson patrol]

Ah

What are the differences between Jack and tb

[gritty forge]

jack is more hammer-like

tb is "modern"

[crimson patrol]

I heard func door rotating works in jack

[gritty forge]

yes

[honest stag]

By modern he means "not pain-inducing for people unfamiliar with other level esitors"

[gritty forge]

shut

hammer > tb

[honest stag]

Says someome who used tb for 5 minutes

[gritty forge]

wait

whats the brush entity for buttons

[crimson patrol]

Realtime csg > all

[gritty forge]

i tried func_button

[honest stag]

Func_button yea

[gritty forge]

well

it didnt change my button texture

[honest stag]

Cant help ya, i dont know jack

@bold orbit meat

[gritty forge]

bruh

[honest stag]

He uses jack so

Maybe he'll help ya

[gritty forge]

you have a func_button too i think

theres no difference on that

[honest stag]

Default properties may be different

But iunno

[gritty forge]

m

you had a button in your map

actually cant remember

got killed by a door

[honest stag]

?????

[gritty forge]

well

if you had a button in your map you could probably figure it out

[honest stag]

Huh??????

We may have a communication issue here

You sayin i can check out my button properies and compare then to yours?

[gritty forge]

yea

[honest stag]

Gimme a moment

[gritty forge]

weird

it didnt show those properties for me

[honest stag]

Grey ones are default

White ones i changed

[gritty forge]

i had a few values missing i seems

i think it didnt understand something on the fgd

anyways

thanks

[honest stag]

👍

[gritty forge]

hm

if i set wait to -1 does that mean it can be activated only once

[honest stag]

yes

It goes in and doesn't go back

[gritty forge]

imagine how fun would it be

if the "parent" property actually existed in this sdk

imagine just

putting a turret on top of a mages head

[honest stag]

It does

[gritty forge]

now you have a real threat

oh

[honest stag]

To an extebt

[gritty forge]

can you put turrets on a mages head then

[honest stag]

Uhhhh dont think so

[gritty forge]

lame

[honest stag]

But i havemt tyued

Tried*

[ancient depot]

That would theoretically work

[tiny pasture]

Oh no

[ancient depot]

but I don't think there's a "parent offset" value

[gritty forge]

it is a masterpiece

[ancient depot]

so you could attach a turret to a mage, but not define where it would attach to

[gritty forge]

unpog

lets see if its actually attached

well no

[ancient depot]

note I think it's parentname and not parent

[gritty forge]

oh

[ancient depot]

it should have just been parent, and we'll probably change it to that

[gritty forge]

also

[ancient depot]

once the automatic mod updater is finished that'll be a safe change

[gritty forge]

i made a quick autohotkey script that can export your map to .map

then open compiling gui and compile

and then open dusk

when you press f11

well no

parentname did not work

[ancient depot]

checked the code, it should indeed be parentname

I guess it might not work for hybrid entities

hybrid entities are basically built-in entities that weren't written for the SDK and haven't been fully migrated over to how it works

so they have like a little "fake" entity on top of them

most enemies and props are hybrids currently

[gritty forge]

yes

[ancient depot]

You should be able to make a door the parent of an enemy, but I think the enemy might be able to walk away from it

[gritty forge]

well

[ancient depot]

So it'd be more like the enemy would inherit the door's movement

but not be strictly stuck to it

[gritty forge]

the toilet uh

just was stuck in the air

[ancient depot]

yeah since the mage is a hybrid entity

so it's being parented to the "fake" entity that represents the mage

and not the mage itself

[gritty forge]

what should i do then

[ancient depot]

There's no workaround for this currently, you'll have to wait for the next patch

[crimson patrol]

You can parent shit to enemies?

[ancient depot]

I could do a little DLL patch that just fixes this one thing though

[gritty forge]

do

pls

[crimson patrol]

Can you parent a trigger hurt to an enemy

[gritty forge]

also

can you part a

[ancient depot]

The bug is that you can't do that

[gritty forge]

a

parent a

turret to a moving brush

[ancient depot]

Yes

that should work sort of

[gritty forge]

so i can throw terror upon the player

[crimson patrol]

Can you parent the spinny blade object to enemies

[gritty forge]

wait

should i use func_door for it

[ancient depot]

Replace the original dll in SDK/bin/win_x64/Dusk_Data/Managed

this should potentially fix parentname on hybrid entities

but I haven't tested it

[gritty forge]

the door just does actually nothing

[ancient depot]

you can make the door a parent of an enemy, but not the other way around

with the dll above you should be able to do both

[gritty forge]

works like a charm

actually

didnt do anything

i think

yeah it didnt fix it

[ancient depot]

what happens now?

[gritty forge]

well

no change

turret is still in air and doesnt move with the mage

im going to try a mage

also doesnt work with mages

[ancient depot]

try this

[gritty forge]

still nothing for the two mages

[ancient depot]

an enemy + enemy combo won't work with this

still thinking of a fix for that

this should fix enemy + prop however

[gritty forge]

what if

i parented a pushable brush to the first enemy

and the second to the pushable brush

(or prop as the pushable brush)

barrels still do nothing when parented

i think it doesnt work

[ancient depot]

try this one

[gritty forge]

well

prop + enemy doesnt work but

enemy and enemy

well

the parent disappeared

[ancient depot]

in prop + enemy, which one is the parent

[gritty forge]

enemy

[ancient depot]

also note this is parenting and not "stick this enemy here", so physics will still allow the object to move away, etc

[gritty forge]

also

apparently the uh

parent enemy just

got placed on the roof

[ancient depot]

probably got pushed because of another enemy being inside it or something

[gritty forge]

heres the map for testing

also didnt work

[gritty forge]

o great code mage

what is your next dll file

[ancient depot]

workin' on it, I ran it in the editor and figured out why the previous ones weren't working

[gritty forge]

and why werent they

[ancient depot]

The code changes weren't actually running due to a unity quirk

[gritty forge]

how to fix

[ancient depot]

I'll be posting a new dll with the fix in a sec

lmao the turret ends up killing the mage because of the parenting

since it's embedded too far

[gritty forge]

i thought turrets were friendly to mages

[ancient depot]

they are, I mean it targets the player but because it's too far inside the mage it ends up hitting the mage

[gritty forge]

niice

"too far inside"

[gritty forge]

also heres the uh

compiling autohotkey script

just replace J.A.C.K with trenchbroom

and its ready

triggered with f11

oh

it works

it has an offset

but still

maybe a parentoffset property?

localPosition?

[ancient depot]

I'll have to think about it

since I don't want to be too gung-ho on adding it and then regretting it when I have a better idea later

[gritty forge]

it can just

work like the angle property

uh

anyways you are the magic code dev so its still your choice so

[ancient depot]

It's just that if the design changes later, all maps using it need to be updated

[gritty forge]

what about that

[ancient depot]

my main issue with entering the value directly like that, is that you can't preview it in the editor

[gritty forge]

well

[ancient depot]

I think I might prefer just the ability to disable it keeping the offset it spawned with

[gritty forge]

valve has it like

it just calculates the offset between the two things

[ancient depot]

that's what it does currently

[gritty forge]

my turret spawned atleast 1z away from the mage

[ancient depot]

That's because of the navmesh

[ancient depot]

It's not a problem in the upcoming patch

Yeah turrets can be fucky

[gritty forge]

func_train when

[still raptor]

turrets are a cursed enemy in general

[gritty forge]

turrets are the best enemy in my opinion

func_train when

i am having fun

triple turrets when

[sharp trail]

this is smart

[gritty forge]

incredibly strong

func_train and func_crush when

also can you like

modify stats of enemies

like bullet spread

and size

[ancient depot]

eventually, but currently only health

[gritty forge]

aw

i need size and bullet spread

big turret

= big boom

so uh

will you ever add stats like bullet spread then

and size

[ancient depot]

yes

[gritty forge]

yees

[gritty forge]

i find that JACK > TrenchBroom

[tiny pasture]

I don’t agree

But I respect your opinion

[gritty forge]

it might be easier to make curves with trenchbroom

BUT

jack is better

[tiny pasture]

I’m going to be honest

I haven’t even touched jack

[gritty forge]

its like hammer

but built for quake

[tiny pasture]

Tb just works for me

I never felt the need to switch

[gritty forge]

i find hammer more intuitive than trenchbroom

[tiny pasture]

I mean

Whatever works right?

[gritty forge]

yeah

but jack > trenchbroom

[gritty forge]

JACK has a rock shape

seems to be randomly generated

[bold orbit]

Just woke up

why was I pinged

does someone want to help with e1m1?

[tiny pasture]

Why would someone want that

[bold orbit]

why else would I be pinged

oh

JACK

uhh

[tiny pasture]

Jack

[bold orbit]

lemme catch up with the conversation

[tiny pasture]

It’s literally just someone prefers jack

[bold orbit]

based

[tiny pasture]

[bold orbit]

a man of quality I see

he's trying to make cultists carry turrets

oh god

[tiny pasture]

Yeah that too

It didn’t work though

Fortunately

[gritty forge]

it worked

the magic man sent me an updated sdk dll thing

[tiny pasture]

Wait what

[gritty forge]

yeah

i did it

[tiny pasture]

Fuck

[gritty forge]

now im making a map based on completely fucking around with the fixed parenting

[gritty forge]

this

i think it goes in uh

bin

win_64

dusk_data

uh

that one big folder with dll files

"Replace the original dll in SDK/bin/win_x64/Dusk_Data/Managed
this should potentially fix parentname on hybrid entities
but I haven't tested it"

also

object_bed is called object_bad

guys

how do i disable the players flashlight

so i can do "the fall has broken your flashlight"

how does my map look so far

anyways i cant make the bars transparent

[bold orbit]

Yes you can

1. Ensure that the transparent space in the bar texture itself is blue (RGB 0 0 255) and that the texture has a "{" at the start of the name
2. Make the bars a func_wall, go to smart edit and add these parameters-
   KEY- rendermode
   VALUE- 4

KEY- renderamt
VALUE- 255

It should show up as transparent in JACK, and should also be transparent when you compile the map

[gritty forge]

nice

what about the "broken flashlight" thing

[bold orbit]

No fucking clue lol

[gritty forge]

unpog

also you can use parentname to parent things to things like mages now

works (somewhat)

also heres a hotkey script

F11 if you have saved the map

it uh

exports the map to a .map file

then it uses the compile shortcut on the compiler gui

then it maximizes dusk

also still not transparent

[bold orbit]

Ok

One moment

Is it showing up transparent in jack

Yes or no

If its not its an fgd issue prbly

If it is but still not transparent in game then its a compiler issue

[gritty forge]

i use ericw tools

[bold orbit]

Answer my question

[gritty forge]

no it isnt

[jolly viper]

hi I'm new here

[gritty forge]

pins

sdk is bare bones alpha

mapping is usable but still a WIP, mods are basically reskins

[bold orbit]

Use this kriml

Add this to the same game profile youuse dusk for

[bold orbit]

Reboot JACK

Try again

[gritty forge]

i dont see how this fgd is useful

80% of it is just misspelled names

and references models that i dont have

[honest stag]

???????????

Oh

hold on did you make this yourself meatbox?

[gritty forge]

again,

its not very useful from the looks of it

also

how do i make those blue walls like

the blue/red/yellow walls around locked doors in the campaign

[gritty forge]

or change the music

[honest stag]

key locked doors? a property "key" on the door, values 1 - red. 2 - blue, 3 - yellow

[gritty forge]

no

those like

yellow walls around the doors

[honest stag]

i havent seen that door texture like ever at all in custom maps

im 90% positive it's not in the dusk wad

[gritty forge]

i think its tinted in the unity editor

[honest stag]

to change music, you'd use a trigger_changemusic point entity, with a music key/value pair, the filepath to the music (relative to the mod's folder itself) being the value

trigger_changemusic is a point entity though, despite what the name suggests

so you'll have to use a trigger_once/multiple to trigger it

[gritty forge]

what if i dont have any custom music

[honest stag]

well then why do you need it

[gritty forge]

the game changes the music when you encounter a big battle

[honest stag]

yeah? and you'd use a trigger_changemusic for that in a custom map

and obviously you need the music files for whatever music you want to play from the map start or changed to when trigger_changemusic is triggered?

you can just reference the dusk music which is in the dusk/music folder

if you want that

[gritty forge]

yeah

its working as intended

(not working)

[honest stag]

try making it a func_detail or a func_wall?

[high magnet]

Func_detail_fence

[gritty forge]

also what does this mysterious object do

[honest stag]

shoot it

it grabs you and pulls you towards it

[gritty forge]

hmm

well thats a new way to get around a level

useful

is this a long enough staircase

also i set the ambience but i still hear nothing ingame

[honest stag]

can you show the music property you added?

[gritty forge]

was i supposed to do it in worldspawn or

[honest stag]

if the track you're using starts when the map loads - yes

[gritty forge]

ambience usually starts when the map loads you know

well the ambience didnt start

[honest stag]

show the property

[honest stag]

and uh where's music

[gritty forge]

well it wasnt added by default

i think

[honest stag]

then add it yo

[gritty forge]

and what should i set the value to

[honest stag]

music/trackname.ogg (or whatever is the extension of your music file)

.wav .flac and .ogg should work

[gritty forge]

dusk\music\e1m1_action.ogg
or
..\dusk\music\e1m1_action.ogg

[honest stag]

just music\e1m1_action.ogg

[gritty forge]

i added a music keyvalue but its silent

[honest stag]

try changing \ to /

[gritty forge]

works

why does e1m1_action sound more like a music track for a stealth game

do i need to use a specific texture for a trigger or will it just become invisible on its own

[honest stag]

it'll be invisible

[gritty forge]

can i use multiple targetnames

a

actually wait

targets

[honest stag]

i use multi_manager for that

i dont think multiple targets are doable otherwise

[gritty forge]

something thats not in the FGD then

[honest stag]

the only property it would have by default is it's targetname anyway

it's a point entity from half life

[gritty forge]

a point entity from half life in dusk

[honest stag]

we use both quake and half life stuff

[gritty forge]

well

you could add it to the fgd then

[honest stag]

who, me?

[gritty forge]

yes

you posted the fgd

[honest stag]

the TB fgd

not the jack fgd

are you still using the tb fgd?

anyway it's not a big deal
multi_managed only has 1 property by default