dusk-modding

[honest stag]

or rather

is there an id1 folder inside of the folder that trenchbroom is pointed to

[tiny grotto]

yes

[honest stag]

and there are .pak files inside of id1?

[tiny grotto]

Yep! 0-3

And SB?

Sound Bulb probably

[honest stag]

huh that should make it work
is there a gfx folder in id1?

[tiny grotto]

Yep, with a lotta LMP files

[honest stag]

is palette.lmp one of them?

[tiny grotto]

Yep

[honest stag]

hmmmm weird
wait can you see quake models in the editor? like here

or is it all plain colored qubes

cubes*

[tiny grotto]

Oof don't think I can send pics

I see cubes

And the world is pink

[honest stag]

seems like TB doesnt recognize your quake folder

[tiny grotto]

I erased the path and set it again and somehow that fixed it?

[honest stag]

well
at least it works now

[tiny grotto]

Hehehehe I am smiling

[honest stag]

so textures and stuff are all visible now?

[tiny grotto]

Is there a way to preview lighting? Like in GZDB/UDB

[honest stag]

nah sadly

[tiny grotto]

Yep, texture are there, entities are there

[honest stag]

i'd love it tbh but nah

just have to wing it and hope it's good enough, then adjust

[tiny grotto]

Play, adjust, play?

[honest stag]

yea

[tiny grotto]

And quakedude looks more high poly than he should. Maybe I have a mod installed? Like, he actually has a nose lmao

[honest stag]

compiling light can get quite long so that doesnt help either

wow that

you can send pics with a link btw

like imgur

you'll get a rank soon enough and will be able to post stuff like others

[tiny grotto]

I probably need to find and set up the compilation tools. I'll look up dumptruck for that. IIRC he has some good TB stuff

How do ranks work?

[honest stag]

yea he has everything needed

just activity

[tiny grotto]

And I'll try to get a link, or should I just DM you his face lmao

[honest stag]

shore

send it out

[crimson patrol]

is there a shortcut to select all worldspawn

(anything that isnt an entity)

[honest stag]

yea, double click any worldspawn brush i think

actually hmm

that just select everything

[crimson patrol]

im trying to select all worldspawn and make it func detail

[honest stag]

actually why do you need to do it?

o_o

what

why

[crimson patrol]

file size lol

[honest stag]

don't... dont

seal the map first of all

[crimson patrol]

players dont get to walk on these areas anyway

[honest stag]

that should reduce the size

[tiny grotto]

seal the map
unseal the hushed casket

[honest stag]

lol
but for real i hope it's not that outside map that you kept showing

cuz then not only sealing wont do much

but i kinda have no clue what you should do lol

but file size shouldnt matter anyway so

[crimson patrol]

how do you make a brush transparent

like fully

[honest stag]

do you need a clip brush?

[crimson patrol]

yeah

[honest stag]

func_clip should do it

[crimson patrol]

got it

[honest stag]

if it doesnt there is another way but you wont be able to shoot through it

[crimson patrol]

ok so the file size for the bsp is 70k kb

it plays just fine

train works (moves backwards though lol), player is sealed in

doesnt even lag

[crimson patrol]

lighting is borked though

[honest stag]

how so

[crimson patrol]

i have one light above the map that is supposed to shine on the whole map (so i can see while playtesting)

it worked once a while ago, but now it seems to have broke

[honest stag]

why not just have light on worldspawn if you're just testing

[crimson patrol]

how do u do that?

[honest stag]

property light on worldspawn

that's it

light up everything to that level amount

light amount*

[crimson patrol]

ahh ok thanks

it works

immersive train ride successful

[honest stag]

eyyyyy fuck yeah

[crimson patrol]

it is 100% immersive

100% sealed too

[honest stag]

good

now use a custom skybox

[crimson patrol]

how to seal maps

[honest stag]

that's---

you do you man lol

[crimson patrol]

theres also a tiny box around the player on the traincar

so they dont

fall off

[honest stag]

yeah but like
that's not sealing a map eh

[crimson patrol]

anyway time to make the gameplay of the map

how do i the skybox

[honest stag]

you'll need worldspawn properties and separate skybox pics for that

found the copypasta

you need to add some worldspawn properties
a total of 6, for each side of the cube
and add the side textures to your mod folder
so it would look like this
"sky_up" "textures/skybox_top.png"
"sky_down" "textures/skybox_stars_bottom.png"
"sky_left" "textures/skybox_left.png"
"sky_right" "textures/skybox_right.png"
"sky_back" "textures/skybox_stars_back.png"
"sky_front" "textures/skybox_stars_front.png"
the file names are anything obviously
so like we're just applying each individual texture to the sides of the cube skybox in-game
left and right are swapped though

and example of a custom skybox

[crimson patrol]

does the texture have to be a specific size

[honest stag]

try to keep it a 1:1 side ratio at least

i used 512x512 for my skyboxe

s

works fine

[crimson patrol]

thanks

[sharp trail]

daaaaamnnn

why not make a forest level

[crimson patrol]

it is sort of a forest level

[ancient depot]

There are no requirements on skybox texture dimensions

[honest stag]

Does it stretch if one of the dimensions is smaller? Ive never checked

[ancient depot]

It should stretch, yeah

It can do that since the skybox has separate textures rather than one

[honest stag]

Hows the update goin

[ancient depot]

Pretty well actually, there's just a lot of time consuming stuff

Like reorganizing files and stuff to ensure no sounds, textures, etc are left out

[honest stag]

Pog

Cant wait for it

[ancient depot]

It's gonna be a huge relief once it's done because then future patches will be a breeze

[honest stag]

Oh hell yeah good to hear

Just out of curiosity, is the SDK your main priority or are the other games more important

[ancient depot]

(Mainly because at this rate, the patch will be the first public release of the rewrite)

(Instead of the TumorSDK)

The SDK is my main priority, yeah

[honest stag]

Lmao tumorSDK

[still raptor]

its a pretty literal description

it was necessary to meet deadlines

but zombie really pulled one out of his hat to make it happen

the amount of time was unbelievably small

he basically had to die and come back to life to make it happen

[honest stag]

Was the deadline there to prevent the sdk fron sitting out of the oven for 2 more years? Or like marketing stuff

Chad zombie saving the day as always

In the oven*

Fuck

[ancient depot]

Honeslty I don't even remember why we rushed to get that out

I've like, blanked out those memories

[honest stag]

lol

So why was this version even updated that much if the rewrite is so important? Just to have modders suffer less?

[ancient depot]

Yeah pretty much

It also means we get to see people make cooler maps

[honest stag]

It is highly appreciated then lol, i wouldn't wish the jan. 2nd version of the sdk upon anyone

[ancient depot]

Yeah that was basically thrown together in a few days by frankensteining parts of the rewrite into an already kinda broken version of the normal game

[honest stag]

All that work definetly paid off if you look at the stuff people made for the 2021

Fuck dont sent the message discord

Im nlt done typing

Not*

For the 2021 spring map jam*

[crimson patrol]

i got me a custom skybox

it does not look good lol

[honest stag]

did you swap left and right?

[crimson patrol]

i did

the image i used to make the skybox with wasnt 360

[honest stag]

ah

[honest stag]

i actually have a pretty big collection of skyboxes somewhere
already split into single images too

hold on i'll look for it

oh jesus it's somewhere in the depths of my laptop
whatever i need to find it anyway, so give me like 20 minutes

ok the file is too big lol, but i do have a google drive link

1 moment

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-Cw7GqwP9GBVznwGJq5tYne5GEmyeA_X/view

there

[crimson patrol]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/240196923644968960/827253614191837254/spin.gif

[honest stag]

i used one of them in my previous jam map actually
2 actually

it's got some COOL shit

[crimson patrol]

oh my gawd

[honest stag]

it's mostly nature backgrounds, but it's got some more surreal stuff and a couple sky/city skyboxes i thinjk

some of the sky ones are SO PRETTY

basically have fun

[crimson patrol]

you collected these or did you make them

[honest stag]

it's not my file, someone linked it a long time ago and i just kept it by my side since

[crimson patrol]

awesome

[gritty forge]

i managed to compile it with the sphere

rendermode & renderamt didnt work on the func_detail though

🔮

[gritty forge]

0-1 hit the soft bounds time to readjust the entire map

[tiny pasture]

Orb

[crisp raven]

I believe you can disable soft bounds

[gritty forge]

i just moved it all the way from the center to the left so i dont think ill run into the bounds again

[crisp raven]

🤌 Molto bene

[frigid cypress]

For Quake I just make an entire cube which is the area where I can work in.

How do I jumpad?

[tiny pasture]

What?

Oh

I think there’s a value you have to increase

I haven’t really fucked with jump pads

[crimson patrol]

There is a jumpad entity

You can adjust it's properties in the entity menu

Crank the jump power to 999 and you can get floating point errors

[frigid cypress]

I set the value to 448 units which is 7 cubes but the game throws me into the roof which is twice as high.

[crimson patrol]

Half the power I guess

[frigid cypress]

i c

I did half the number and it keeps doing the same thing

it flings me into the roof

[ancient depot]

Divide the value by 32

There's an oversight where the jump pad values weren't adjusted for Quake map scale

[frigid cypress]

I c

still flings me too roof

[ancient depot]

Try using a fractional value to test

eg, 0.5

to be exact, try uh

0.56

[frigid cypress]

that worked, thanks

[honest stag]

why are you using the bonds anyway

those are for quake 1

dusk doesnt give a shit about them

[gritty forge]

you can turn em off?

[honest stag]

bounds*

yeah

hol on i'll tell you how

see there at the bottom?

just tick "soft bounds disabled"

[gritty forge]

the fuck

oh

i always have that tab disabled

[honest stag]

don't tell me you've always been mapping with soft bounds on dude

[gritty forge]

ya

i've never hit the soft bounds except for this 1 time & maybe disregard

[alpine depot]

oh my god i never knew this

[honest stag]

bullshit lmao
no way aqua

[crisp raven]

Vriska knows everything

||I just wish he made more maps plz||

[honest stag]

i do make maps

i just dont release them ever

[crisp raven]

🥺

You gotta do of stream of all the weird shit you have piled up in your maps list

[honest stag]

here's one

ehhh i don't know if anyone would honestly be interested in that
it's just some unfinished abandoned maps

[crisp raven]

I have a theory that if you combine enough unfinished maps you'll get the equivalent of one finished map

How can that logic be wrong?

[honest stag]

that was a plan actually
it's just that actually doing it turned out to be a disaster

if i were to actually do it - it'd be uhhh well probably one of the most detailed maps for sure

and quite huge

but it'd also be a monumental effort to actually make work

[crisp raven]

We'll never know the secrets of the file known only as "Mappity map"

😔

[honest stag]

i'm pretty sure i have no file like that lol

[hoary juniper]

looks pretty cool

[long anchor]

ngl dude i was always too lazy to turn them off

[honest stag]

wait so you are still mapping?

[long anchor]

no

[honest stag]

wait-

[long anchor]

[honest stag]

so how do you know about the soft bounds lol

they're a late addition

[long anchor]

i mean

at the time when they were added i was still working on something

[honest stag]

ahhh i see

[frigid cypress]

The wad of this map would be perfect for my multiplayer map, what wad was used?

[foggy creek]

How.

[gritty forge]

what

how

[honest stag]

I don't remember but ill take a look when i can and send the wad

[honest stag]

i used several wdas

wads*

imma post them all, aside from the dusk wad and ID1 wad

cuz you should have then anyway

actually fuck it have id1 too

will take a bit of time to upload

@frigid cypress

[frigid cypress]

thanks

[gritty forge]

plz make Dust SP playable in coop

[last talon]

no

[gritty forge]

yes

[gritty forge]

when does the mapmaking guide gets a pin?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2298392941

[tranquil mulch]

yw.

[crisp raven]

Famous

[crimson patrol]

finally, im working on the playable areas of my map

[crimson patrol]

fuck it crashed

[honest stag]

trenchbroom or dusk?

[crimson patrol]

trenchbroom

was manipulating a vertex

im lucky i saved to see the file size a few min ago

[honest stag]

always
ALWAYS
A L W A Y S
save before using the following
edge tool
face tool
vertex tool

take that advice and use it well

it'll save you trust me

especially vertex tool

[crimson patrol]

ive only ever crashed using the vertex tool

[honest stag]

edge tool can also crash tb

i rarely ever use the face tool, but i heard someone crasthed with it too

[crimson patrol]

and once when i manipulated like 30 faces at once lmoa

[honest stag]

in fact i dont think i've ever used to face tool

the*

[crimson patrol]

i use the face tool to extend brushes that i rotated

[honest stag]

click on a brush, hold shift

and drag

[crimson patrol]

you know i might put the gameplay areas on a separate map from the one im on rn

[honest stag]

huh
that's an interesting choice but why not
you can have maps connect to each other after all

and that'll surely help with performance

[crimson patrol]

yeah

besides i left myself barely any space to put the gameplay areas on

[honest stag]

cutscene map

[crimson patrol]

yeah lol

its a cutscene

besides if people died on the map they would have to wait for the train to arrive

again

[crimson patrol]

tb just crashed when i was manipulating the same vertex

that vertex is cursed

[honest stag]

try increasing/decreasing the grid size

[crimson patrol]

my bsp is 136,913 KB

[crimson patrol]

imminent gameplay

[honest stag]

eyyyy looks sick

[honest stag]

he's fucking dead

[long anchor]

he's tired bro

let em have some rest

[gritty forge]

hopefully finished by friday

[honest stag]

subway or sewer

[gritty forge]

subway

[honest stag]

fugggg yessss

gimme some juicy subway levels

[gritty forge]

would need func_vehicle to be 100% perfect but it is nearing completion

[crimson patrol]

how do you uhh

when you move a brush, slight alterations can send it going in unintended directions

can you lock something to move on one axis?

[honest stag]

wdym?

i dont think brushes move anywhere you dont want them to unless parenter

parented

[crimson patrol]

no i mean, say i wanna move this brush to the left

when i drag left, it does go left, but also up and down slightly

[honest stag]

use arrow keys

[crimson patrol]

ohh gotcha

[honest stag]

you can hold em too

[last talon]

muh grids

[crimson patrol]

bridge

[honest stag]

Map looks fucking sick dude

[crimson patrol]

can you guess what happens to the bridge

[honest stag]

Aboslutely nothing, you safely cross it with no incidents and enhoy the scenery

[crimson patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqE5NcKIo88

[sharp trail]

and then act like i don't know nobodeeeeh 🦈 🦈 🦈

[crisp raven]

MTV Riff Raff👌

[crimson patrol]

alright how do i parent func_breakable to doors

[honest stag]

func_breakable has a parentname property, which is set to the targetname of the parent door

[crimson patrol]

ok thx

[crimson patrol]

this is how you make explosions

those are all trigger teleports on the barrels

2 barrels get teleported into each other, and spontaneously explode

you need massive arrays of these under the map

[honest stag]

there is an ooooold ooold map func_vehicle that uses it

except with gas cans

same effect

i'm pretty sure aqua also uses stuff like that in his maps

at least i think so

[tepid python]

the power of clipping gas cans

[honest stag]

instakilling the player with several gas cans to simulate a car crash is the most noble use of that technique

[crimson patrol]

that's what happens irl

in car accidents you get killed by gas cans telefragging each other

[alpine depot]

ye, pretty sure it's the only way so far to do that

[stone veldt]

Are there any mods that provide a map like in OG Doom?

[crimson patrol]

there is that thing called doosk

[frigid cypress]

I probably already asked but does Dusk support TGA files for skyboxes?

[ancient depot]

The current public build of the SDK only supports PNG and JPEG images

You'll need to convert your TGAs

[frigid cypress]

i c

[honest stag]

but dont throw them away in the bin yet tho

tga is supported in the next patch right?

[gritty forge]

zombie bmp support when

[crimson patrol]

i love you prop_cleaver

[honest stag]

any1 else making cool maps rn?

or is every soul busy and the real map flow starts after exams

[crimson patrol]

hell yea

[honest stag]

i'd love to make some
the jam was a lot of fun but it's all studying and shit right now

[crimson patrol]

i have like 2 more days of free time where i can work on the map

[honest stag]

dont rush it my man

how long have you been making it now?

months?

[crimson patrol]

yeah

mostly on and off

because i was busy

anyway i have some screenshots incoming

[honest stag]

mood
i've been "making" a map for a year now

[crimson patrol]

i get the feeling lol

[honest stag]

and it's never going to see the light of daty

day*

[crimson patrol]

the raw map file is 10k kb

jesus christ

[honest stag]

lemme look around at some my map map files

the biggest .map i have is 4000 kb

[crimson patrol]

what's the biggest bsp on mod.io in terms of file size

[honest stag]

uhhhh that's a tough one
i'd say aqua's maps might be some of the biggest

[crimson patrol]

yeah yeah

[honest stag]

shadow of strelok also might be huge

poolboy's maps too

mcclone's

[crimson patrol]

lemme compile and see how it is

i can see now why compile times are an issue lmao

[honest stag]

is it light that's compiling for a long time?

[crimson patrol]

i didnt add any lighting

[honest stag]

...huh

hey uh can you send me your .map real quick

[crimson patrol]

i just made brushes have a light value lol

[honest stag]

that doesnt sound healthy

at all

[crimson patrol]

yeah

[honest stag]

drop it in my dms or here idc

i'll take a look and see if i can reduce the compiling time without changing the map much

[crimson patrol]

i uhh

[honest stag]

cuz uhhhh that sounds bad

[crimson patrol]

the map file is too big

to send

[honest stag]

it should be fine to be sent here

or use google drive or whatever

[crimson patrol]

oh ok it compiled in like 188 seconds

ill send it

[honest stag]

jesus crhist that's a fuckin LONG time to be compiling a map without light

[crimson patrol]

that's nothing yesterday it took 700 seconds

[honest stag]

i'm scared

what the fuck

[crimson patrol]

download it so i can delet

[honest stag]

done

time to pull out my surgeon tools i guess

[crimson patrol]

im guessing its all the tree cutouts doing this lol

[honest stag]

and start cutting shit

i doubt it

[crimson patrol]

i mean its playable

[honest stag]

ok um well you can claim the title of having the biggest map in dusk ever

[crimson patrol]

hell yea

lemme add a couple of those old brush spheres then this record will be unbeatable

[honest stag]

i'm talking literal size

not file size

[crimson patrol]

yeah ik

i hit the hard border

[honest stag]

o_o

[crimson patrol]

the reason im making 2 parts for this map is because i have no space left to use

[honest stag]

holy fucking shit i switch to a 256 grid and the mountains are still to big

it's cool but like

wouldnt a skybox with mountains work better in terms of compiling lol

[crimson patrol]

the mountains are not an issue afaik

are they causing problems?

[honest stag]

they MIGHT be but i dont think so

lemme double check some stuff real quick

ok so some maps i've got have 3500-ish brushes and dont compile so slow, especially without light

i honestly think it might be the sheer size of the map itself

wait hold on

gimme a moment

this doesnt affect anything but i gotta ask

the map has no enemies right? so why are there 195 entities

[crimson patrol]

uhh

some are barrels, some are func-detail, there's a few guns n bullets in secrets, one enemy, and some func-breakables

the bulk of that is props and teleporters

[honest stag]

grass

[crimson patrol]

yeah

immersion

[honest stag]

wow that bridge looks hella fuckin cool and i dont even have the wads

i honestly think

[crimson patrol]

the map stutters and hiccups when i look in one direction

quite laggy

[honest stag]

the slow compile time may be caused by the fact that so many brushes have a ton of faces

hm

which direction?

[crimson patrol]

p sure west?

[honest stag]

that sounds familiar

[crimson patrol]

the right side of the bridge

with the house

actually its not linked to direction

if you look at the bridge from close by it starts lagging

[honest stag]

hm

honest opinion? i think there might be too much "stuff" in general

like it might be causing the performance issues and the compiling time

being slow

[crimson patrol]

but eh im making the playable areas on the next map

you wont be seeing much of this one

[honest stag]

still impressive as fuck though

[crimson patrol]

ill share the screenshots in a sec

[honest stag]

like legit this is absolutely crazy

[crimson patrol]

ah ok

it only stutters when

after like the first few minutes of entering the map

it stutters, then it stops

[honest stag]

...weird

my head hurts trying to even comprehend everything that's going on with the map lol

too big for my tiny brain

[crimson patrol]

pic of the wreckage

(ignore the crop)

[honest stag]

yeah this is nuts
give it some nice sunlight and it'll be top notch

[honest stag]

absolutely insane man

good work

[crimson patrol]

thanks bro

there might or might not be a secret in that truck

[alpine depot]

yoo looks sick

man I really need to continue my cyberpunk map

[bold orbit]

jesus fucking christ john

thats incredible

[crimson patrol]

i hate making pipe systems

[mortal narwhal]

woah

[mortal narwhal]

consider making those brushes func_illusionary and constructing a square hallway 'pipe' out of clip brushes

[crimson patrol]

okay thx

[analog finch]

Decided to get my feet wet with texturing, made a reskin for the Wendigo. https://dusk.mod.io/berserk-wendigo-skin

[gritty forge]

Actually amazing-looking.

I imagine it would serve as a stronger, faster variant of the Wendigo.

[still raptor]

super cool

[analog finch]

Thanks lads! I'm thinking of reskinning the entire roster with this sort of "Empowered by Nyarlathotep" green-electric energy style. I also read somewhere that Wendigos steal souls, hence the warped face on it's chest.

[tiny pasture]

Fucking sick

I'm definitely excited to see more

[crimson patrol]

Amazing reskin

[crude owl]

Definitely looking fantastic

[worn atlas]

can anybody tell me if we can save without a problem now on custom maps?

[honest stag]

yes, you can

well

it does have a couple issues

but it's nothing that will significantly alter the gameplay

the things that matter most are -
after loading, the music is set to whatever is the starting music of the map (so if someone uses trigger_changemusic and changes the track then it wont change back)

turrets respawn (not critical because who even uses turrets)

and uhhh what else

you lose your sickles, they are replaced by the sword
and the stat screen is slightly fucked up

[worn atlas]

at least I can save progress, good to know. Thank you

[surreal pawn]

is there like co-op Dusk (first time player just got the game)

[verbal peak]

thats a planned feature

for now, no co-op

[crisp raven]

LOOKING FOR PLAYTESTERS

[storm fractal]

for?

[honest stag]

custom map

the regular

[storm fractal]

ah

[honest stag]

we've been doing that for a while here

just shout you need playtesters

[alpine depot]

DONT HAVE TIME TO COPY SHIT FROM THE CAMPAIGN

rofl

looks really good lol

[gritty forge]

EPIC

[honest stag]

high levels of pog

[mortal narwhal]

That brush work looks really good, is the lighting final?

[gritty forge]

nope, full bright

just trying to make it playable

[mortal narwhal]

gotcha

[crimson patrol]

That is some really sexy architecture

[sharp trail]

damn

[worn atlas]

is it a global bug of when enemies can't move after quick load on custom maps, or is it just map sided?

[honest stag]

can you give specific examples?

[worn atlas]

fast save > fast load > enemies don't move at all, but shoot

if that matters, map is derail

I'm asking is this a global thing or might be just this map? I've asked earlier if save/load now works properly or not, so I decided to try out some maps

[honest stag]

Odd, I've never seen that in any map

Trying to think what might have caused ut

It*

[worn atlas]

in details, I fast saved before entering area with enemies. Then died and as soon as I dropped dead, I fast loaded the game

had fast save before, so it got overwritten

[honest stag]

What enemies were there? Were they blocked by anything prior?

[worn atlas]

not really. Most of them were in quite wide areas.
regular mages, soldiers, wendigos, fat shooting guys

all of them stuck

[honest stag]

Can you try a newer map?

Like sone stuff from the map jam

[worn atlas]

yeah, will try rn

[honest stag]

And run the same test

Thx

[worn atlas]

oh, and I wonder if this might be caused by weapon sfx overhaul

[honest stag]

No

I use it as well and it never caused issues ( and it can't really )

[worn atlas]

was there an update to that mod? I haven't played since november

[honest stag]

Nah

[worn atlas]

tried it for rundown by Q

guess it's map sided bug then

also, might be a dumb question, but I haven't played for a long time
do I need to opt out of sdk to play base game/duskworld?

[crimson patrol]

Yeah baby, people are downloading my tree mod

[worn atlas]

yep, it's just derail map

[alpine depot]

yeah saving is really jank right now so that's probably to be expected

that's out of my hands, sorry lol

[foggy creek]

Cabin.

[honest stag]

Cabin

[spring mauve]

[hoary juniper]

Wanna hear one funnier than "Cabin." ?

func_vehicle

[crimson patrol]

func_train

[hoary juniper]

func_movelinear is legit useful

[gritty forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4tWWiuaF7g

[honest stag]

Burger

[gritty forge]

🍔

[gritty forge]

til you can change trenchbroom's colors

oh god oh fuck

[high magnet]

Minecraft

[crimson patrol]

Minceraft

[gritty forge]

Minceraft

[crimson patrol]

I'm sorry to announce that part of the level I'm working on is a sewer

[high magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/tgwtg-that-guy-with-the-glasses-doug-walker-point-computer-gif-17022655

[alpine depot]

sewers are a rite of passage its ok

[solar berry]

I need a little bit of a memory refreshment, is the addition of allowing community-made deathmatch maps going to be in a future update to the game?

[honest stag]

since no one answered you - probably yes

[ancient depot]

Yes

[crimson patrol]

sneak peek

[bold orbit]

save some puss for the rest of us man

DAMN thats good

[frigid cypress]

DETAIL

I really need to learn some multiplayer map design

my deathmatch map(concept) was laid out like a singleplayer map

[frigid cypress]

How much hours, how much hours poured into this map?

[crimson patrol]

hmm

i didnt keep count, but atleast 60

60 at minimum

[frigid cypress]

coliseum

[crisp raven]

Stairing into the abyss

[frigid cypress]

[crisp raven]

I fear that was a step too far

Why do I like portraits? They stare well

I'm sorry. These puns aren't landing

They're spiraling out of control at this point.

[frigid cypress]

funny

didnt laugh

[solar berry]

Awesome, now back to my months of being idle until I can make a decent map

[honest stag]

Funny you reply to my "maybe"answer and not the "yes" from the dev

[ancient depot]

lmao

[crimson patrol]

[honest stag]

also awesome fuckin work john

4 real

maps with so much time put into them turn out to be the best ones (obviously)

[crimson patrol]

Tx

I was gonna have a boring pipe system there, then I thought that was boring

[gritty forge]

are we able to make custom duskworld maps?

[frigid cypress]

not yet

[gritty forge]

also @gritty forge where the fuck is a finished ultradusk prelude

[gritty forge]

fair enough.

[frigid cypress]

I am making concept maps

[gritty forge]

I was probably gonna do the same

I've never really been into map making but I have some decent enough ideas I think

[frigid cypress]

some tips for deathmatch maps

[gritty forge]

thanks

[tranquil mulch]

@gritty forge You've got to please change your pfp to be more compliant with server rules.

[gritty forge]

well it looks smaller in game lol

Looks like a neat DM map to me

[sharp trail]

did i just see people making dm maps

[gritty forge]

no!

[grave fiber]

i want an entire map that looks like this

[gritty forge]

prototype.wad map

[sharp trail]

as for duskworld dm maps -> it depends on what kind of a map you're making. I like to put dw maps into 2 categories. Dm maps and duel maps. Dm maps are designed for a lot of players 5+ and duel maps are designed for 1v1s or small dm matches with 3-5 players.
When making a dm map it is important to have multiple weapons of one type spread around the map with an ammo supply nearby. For example DOTD has 3 separate rivet spawns, 3 separate AR spawns, 3 separate HR spawns, multiple single shotguns around the map and 3 separate SSG spawns so you can get weapons all around the map and never face an ammo or weapon drought. Basically if you spawn you're guaranteed to find a good weapon nearby. While it makes sense to have narrow or closed maps in other games in duskworld you are always very fast and therefor there needs to be a lot of room to move around. Narrow areas should only be around weapon pickups or powerups. Open maps =/= unitersting. Clifftop is open and is one of the most unique maps i've ever played. Also theres a bunch of obvious stuff like not placing same weapons to close to each other and stuff like that. @gritty forge @frigid cypress

Duel maps are smaller and more narrow, however there still need to be open areas where you can have interesting back an forth battles otherwise it would just be to much situational weapon combat.
Make sure that the Hallowed health is easily accessible but not visible except for the place where the HH is. For example on vestibule you can get to the HH from basically anywhere however you don't see when it respawns so people have to either check that area or time when it comes back (wewy impowtant).
Make sure to have a Crystal and coin bags on the map btw. Obviously you need to move things around so they're not close to eachother and it depends on what kind of an experience you want. HOWEVER.
You should always separate rivet ammo from the rivet itself. Rivet is very strong and has a lot of utility so it needs to have less ammo on pickup. Spread the rivet ammo in groups of 4 or 3 or make one big batch of 6 and 2 smaller pockets.
There should never be enough rivets on a map to get to 13 when you pick them all up. Place them in a way where it incourages the players who picked up rivet to move around the map.

You can still have 2 or 3 rivet ammo next to rivet. Place the rivet in a spot where you can snipe it with the HR or where you can kill with highground and SSG. It also makes sense to have a lot of varied enviorments that encourage different weapons.
Place healthpacks in a way that makes them risky to pick up when you get a lot of healing and not risky to pick up when you get little healing.
For example on fussilade you have 2 places where you can heal for 50hp but they're very small and narrow so it's risky to go there if the enemy has SSG or rivet but you also have small healing options that only give you 20hp all around the map.
Those are important because you want to give people a reason to move around again because they can always heal and not run out of health to quickly (which can happen because of high TTK). Also the Rivet should be secluded from the other weapons.
It doesn't make sense for a player to be able to pick up rivet and 2 other weapons with no work or rocket jumps involved.

[dull bloom]

Kruz what the fuc

[gritty forge]

maybe wait a dozen more months for duskworld dm map support to come out

[sharp trail]

:)=))))))

[crisp raven]

🙂

[gritty forge]

tl;dr make map good so is a fun

[crisp raven]

I always thought about making maps good but never had the courage to try it out

[gritty forge]

not very worth it

[crisp raven]

Back to making giant squares connected by narrow hallways

[gritty forge]

hell yeah bring out the "1997 quake shovelware cd-tier" maps

genuine

[crisp raven]

That cuts deep

[sharp trail]

a-

all i wanna do is play duskworld concept maps :(

[alpine depot]

should i make an among us map

the imposters are just a hundred wendigos scattered around the map

[gritty forge]

what about a map that's just all concrete

[alpine depot]

the same concrete texture

over and over

ewwww

[gritty forge]

[alpine depot]

thats not a very concrete design decision

[gritty forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/802292827341193216/831204121222316132/disintegrate.gif

[crisp raven]

If you do that you'll cement your position as the worst DUSK mapper of all time

[alpine depot]

oh god

i just had the worst fucking mod idea ever

[crisp raven]

A map that takes place in a bunker and it has 7 enemies?

But also a blood sink that no one noticed

I was thinking the same thing too

[sharp trail]

Dusk drip

[clever rock]

drip dude

[gritty forge]

spit it out

[alpine depot]

cant

it's a secret :)

[gritty forge]

booooo

[honest stag]

The fug happened here

Was that a duskworld rant?

[tame pebble]

maybe read it?

[honest stag]

No

Also space rat

The reason your map looks smaller is because quake units are slightly smaller in dusk

Or something like that

But

You can get a rough sense of scale by placing an info_player_start/teleport_destination whatever

The green box entities

Abd shove you camera under the top part

[honest stag]

Oh hey that's the dude that rated my maps 1/5 nice

No grudge tho

[bold orbit]

my poor life choice continues

[alpine depot]

dont you mean GREATEST DECISION EVER

[bold orbit]

No you don't understand

I spend hours re-creating EVERYTHING to be 1-1

and then spend another 30 minutes correcting stuff to be "close enough" because 1-1 recreations of Davids beautiful abominations of "mimic brushwork" refuses to compile under any circumstances

[gritty forge]

pain

[bold orbit]

Spain without the a

[frigid cypress]

speen

[still raptor]

e1m1?

[honest stag]

the madlad is indeed remaking dusk but in trenchbroom

[still raptor]

jesus dude

thats an insane undertaking

[honest stag]

it is isnt it?
madlad still attempts it

question is

@bold orbit why

[still raptor]

his name explains it

[ancient depot]

holy shit lol

that is genuinely insane

[crimson patrol]

Sweet jesus

That is crazy

[tiny pasture]

His motives are beyond your understanding

[wheat copper]

how do i give myself weapons

[ancient depot]

Type NBKFA once you get in-game

[honest stag]

you can start typing it on the loading screen if you're impatient like i am

or rather during the lag between "press any key" and the actual start

funny thing - if you type NBCLIP during that you'll fall through the ground a bit

happens to me constantly

[small gate]

not even possible to be 1:1 on .bsp because dave used some 0-volume geometry

from the top of my head I recall that some of the details on the hedges @ e1m2 have 0-volume and collision enabled

[honest stag]

dave

yahaha imma use some 0-volume geometry in my levels

[gritty forge]

hehe

[ancient depot]

This is one of the main reasons that we don't provide .map files for the campaign levels

They can't be directly converted because not all of the geometry has volume or convexity

I have some ideas for how they could be converted at some point, but it's not a priority

[small gate]

david, fuck I always get them names wrong

[honest stag]

obj2map is hot garbage by the way please dont consider it

at least the version i used

[small gate]

I'd convert them all into mdl 🤷

[ancient depot]

iirc obj2map will just find convex geometry and spit that out as planes in the map

[small gate]

shippable

[honest stag]

it struggled with basic shapes for me

[ancient depot]

were those shapes convex?

[honest stag]

nope

plain cubes

[ancient depot]

that would be why

cubes are convex

[honest stag]

oh fuck i'm dumb then

[high magnet]

tbf Dave Oshry is legally called David as well

[honest stag]

i think i mixed up the definition of the word "convex"

[honest stag]

yes ok yea got it

[ancient depot]

If you can draw a line through the object, and it only touches the object twice

it's convex

[honest stag]

i thought it was the other way around

basically yes they WERE convex

[ancient depot]

but yeah I don't know the specifics of how obj2map works but I don't imagine it goes too in-depth with its conversion

taking arbitrary geometry and converting it to a .map is a really difficult problem to solve

[honest stag]

at least it's not that .wad2map tool

which carves out the entire map out of a solid block

[ancient depot]

Funnily enough

.wad to .map is a monumentally simpler task

[honest stag]

oh i can imagine

shame the only tool out there for that doesnt really produce usable maps

[high magnet]

Fuck I think I remember some of the screenshots of that

[honest stag]

i still have a .map of that somewhere

[high magnet]

Colossally cursed

[ancient depot]

but yeah, for 0-volume geometry it's probably possible to extend it out into a 1-wide wall

and then make all sides NODRAW

and then if it was a double-sided plane, just do it again but flipped

[honest stag]

truly genius

[ancient depot]

for concave geometry, I dunno

could probably generate an approximate set of brushes for it

and then make the actual geometry a .mdl

[honest stag]

for concave geometry you just die
or place a neat sign that says "do this manually"

also man i wish place_model was a thing

in the current build of sdk that is

[ancient depot]

it is internally

[still raptor]

its a suuuuper challenging issue

[ancient depot]

lmao

[gritty forge]

I got u

[small gate]

polygon decomposition can also misbehave something magical, so I guess even with a proper tool this might still end up being a nightmare

[ancient depot]

I'll probably look at doing a small rollout to some mappers soon so they can update stuff in advance

since the new update is the first release of the rewrite, and there are several breaking changes

[crimson patrol]

[honest stag]

Oh boy

This will be fun

[ancient depot]

For the most part only music, skyboxes and asset replacement mods should be affected

Since all assets have been completely reorganized by episode, and with better names

[honest stag]

So model mods tooM

?

[ancient depot]

yeah

[crimson patrol]

[honest stag]

Chungus mid v2

Aight

[crimson patrol]

Fucken vacuum cleaner

[ancient depot]

There's an automatic upgrade tool but it's not really ready yet

[honest stag]

"some mappers"

[ancient depot]

You would be among them yes

Pretty much anyone active that has released a map

[honest stag]

Nice

Aqua hopefully included

[ancient depot]

yeah

[honest stag]

@alpine depot oce

[crimson patrol]

Among?

[frigid cypress]

Us?

[bold orbit]

not TB, Jackhammer.

Zombie, I told you why I'm doing it

[bold orbit]

hence why I've taken up this mantel, so others don't have to

[gritty forge]

look at this hero of justice

[ancient depot]

It didn't actually hit me until I realized you were serious lmao

[bold orbit]

I'm always serious, man!

[high magnet]

Wait are you only gonna do E1M1 or all the levels?

[bold orbit]

originally planned to do them all

after the first room I have reigned it into either "all of e1" or just "e1m1 and the survival maps"

because the impossibility of all of them asides,

what I'm making it for would probably be better if it wasn't the entire game

[alpine depot]

yoooooo

sounds exciting

[gritty forge]

i fucking hate it

whats wrong with you

[honest stag]

aqua shares the blame here ok

it was his idea

[bold orbit]

You make this but not cart table huh?

[honest stag]

i thought cartdog cant get a model replacement

cuz it's a 2-part model

[bold orbit]

Damn thats true

[honest stag]

i would have done it instantly lol

[bold orbit]

how dare you not perform a miracle

Peetty

SUS

Of you

[honest stag]

RUS*

[bold orbit]

DUS*

[alpine depot]

mod is (regrettably) going live soon

[alpine depot]

https://dusk.mod.io/when-the-dusk-is-sus hire us

[gritty forge]

I HATE IT

BAD

👎

[alpine depot]

ur bad

[crimson patrol]

i have 10 downloads on my mod

hell yea

[high magnet]

Which one?

[crimson patrol]

the one with tree presets

u should download it

[high magnet]

Oh I saw that

Good models

Meanwhile my airplanes still have 3 downloads

[crimson patrol]

i also added some cutout textures of 2 of the trees

because the models take up alot of file size

while one cutout takes like 3kb

i have ideas to use your planes for a setpiece

[honest stag]

I'd use your tree mod but problem is the brush count

maybe 1-2 trees are enough for the rest of the map

and it already slows down compiling

[crimson patrol]

you can use the cutouts

[honest stag]

or dusk trees

[crimson patrol]

ill eventually make cutouts for all the trees

especially the currently-unusable dead tree

which causes the map to be uncompilable

[gritty forge]

are the trees func_detail already?

[nimble prawn]

henlo

is final cutscene supposed to not play on SDK version?

[crisp raven]

Don't play single player on the SDK version. The SDK version is broker than @sharp trail 's mom. Be sure to play campaign on regular singleplayer.

That may facilitate switching out of the SDK branch as it's quite out of date regarding single player.

[nimble prawn]

uh I wanted to know because I wanted to replace the texture

and that doesn't exactly answer my question lol

so the cutscene just never plays it seems

[sharp trail]

shut up

the only reason why YOUR mom isnt broke is because i THOUK her every night

[crisp raven]

Bragging about paying for sexual favours 🤔

Hardly Dusk Mod related

[crimson patrol]

[nimble prawn]

can some Dusk SDK expert explain something to me?

I made my own description.xml file and it prevented my game from launching

but when I changed the <content> line back to "All" it works just fine (it was something else at first)

does that line do something special? I thought it only puts string into the menu

[gritty forge]

Did they change the code

[ancient depot]

What did you put in the content field?

It's not just a text field

It has very specific values that it can contain

[nimble prawn]

"Sounds"

no quotation marks ofc

[ancient depot]

Hmm

Sounds should be valid

The valid values are None, Textures, Levels, Sounds, Models, Scripts, Weapons, Monsters, Music and All

description.xml is buggy anyway and it's being removed in the next patch in favor of a better system

[nimble prawn]

glad to hear there will be a patch

[ancient depot]

The SDK is still in development yeah

The current public build is nowhere near finished

[nimble prawn]

anyway here's a smol sound replacement I thought of year ago or sth

https://dusk.mod.io/q3a-mynx-character-soundpack

made for myself but might aswell share

and thanks for answers Zombie 👍 it worked in the end and at least I know to not mess with description file too much

[ancient depot]

no problem

[bold orbit]

time to continue my mistake

[crisp raven]

That's what my mom says when she goes to pick me up from school :)

[bold orbit]

hole : )

[honest stag]

eyo i tried the mod
imma definetly use this, but the pain sound might be a bit too much lol

@ancient depot just wanted to point out a thing - turning on a mod during gameplay just disabled enemy ai for me

probably not even relevant but still

[gritty forge]

yea it does tha

t

[ancient depot]

Yeah, bugs like that won't be relevant soon since the new update is a whole new codebase

[nimble prawn]

yeah for some people the pain sound can definitely be too loud, I love it this way though because it's the most memorable sound effect I've heard in videogames. I really like it

pain sounds loudness is unchanged although I had to make jump sound louder by like 3dB because it was easily drown out by other sounds

[honest stag]

i'll probably just modify the sound myself to make it a bit quieter

thx for the mod regardless

[nimble prawn]

np 👍 thanks for downloading

hey, I'm sure this topic was mentioned before but, did any of you guys think about making an equivalent of Crack-life mod but for Dusk?

[honest stag]

well i'm sure people THOUGHT about it

no one really went far into it tho

me and aqua were talking about it just yesterday

when we made the amogus thing

[nimble prawn]

maybe once SDK gets updated, this would be a cool thing to do as a community

I've seen that, I love those amogus mods

this is something that I'd love to see in Crack-Dusk

[gritty forge]

Zombie be like: rewrite time

[bold orbit]

"Fine, I'll do it myself"

RIP davids labrynth of pasta

[alpine depot]

crack dusk sounds genuinely like the worst mod ever

I'm all for it

[crimson patrol]

once youve done some maps make a version without enemies

for the lols

[gritty forge]

I’m getting back to modding real soon

2 weeks ish

been so busy

I’m finishing my second map then

[pure oar]

Anyone have issues running Dusk SDK on Mac? I followed the directions at https://dev.newblood.games/index.php/Dusk:FAQ#Steam and I'm not sure if I need a beta access code or not? I don't think I need one. Plus, when I try running it like the directions said it doesn't pull that option up.

[honest stag]

i dont think it's supported

but the dev knows better lol

[ancient depot]

The SDK is only supported on Windows currently

[marble mural]

Heyo

How does one install mods? just wondering if there is a guide

[honest stag]

pinned messages

but firstly

you need the sdk

[gritty forge]

it shows how to get the sdk

[marble mural]

Alrighty

[honest stag]

which you can get through the betas on steam

[marble mural]

Which pinned comment?

[gritty forge]

#dusk-modding message

first half shows how to get sdk & mods

[marble mural]

Thank you

[honest stag]

actually most maps have the installation process in the mod page

[gritty forge]

second half shows how to get mappers toolbox

[marble mural]

Not after a map, just a really, really dumb mod i wanted to try

[honest stag]

same process

[marble mural]

https://dusk.mod.io/dumask

Whoever made this i love you

[gritty forge]

they made the mask free to watch on youtube recently

[marble mural]

Oh shiiiiiiiiiit

There was this one HOi4 video parody of the MASK

Cant find it anymore, makes me sad

Ah ok

so ive got the file open

therens a DUmaSK file, and a File ID thing

do i creater a folder and put those in or just drag both of those in

[honest stag]

the dumask folder itself goes into

dusk-sdk-mnt-local

[marble mural]

Yeah done that

It didnt seem to load it when i launched it

I laucched it as the SDK on steam btw

[honest stag]

did it appear in the modding tab?

you have to enable it there

[marble mural]

Ah ok

Where is the modding tab?

Is it in settings?

[honest stag]

main menu

it should just say "modding"

[marble mural]

Hmmm, nothing there for me

[honest stag]

are you sure you launched the sdk?

when you click "play" on steam it gives you a prompt which version to launch

[marble mural]

Yeah i launched it for sure

[honest stag]

dusk, duskworld, and the sdk

[marble mural]

Ah no

im dumb

didnt select the SDK on the prompt

My bad

[honest stag]

that should do it

[marble mural]

Oh god

i got it working

[honest stag]

nice, have fun

[wheat copper]

can i make the sdk a desktop icon

[honest stag]

Yeah the .exe for the sdk is in the folder somewhere

hol on i'll find it

Dusk -> SDK -> dusk_win.bat

i think that's the one

[gritty forge]

Hello so can i make maps with JACK

[honest stag]

yes

[gritty forge]

Cool thx. There was only a guide on the pinned for TrenchBroom

[honest stag]

it is the officially supported tool

or recommended i guess

Meatbox is currently mapping with JACK so he'll probably be able to help with any quirks if they occur

[gritty forge]

Thanks.

[gritty forge]

Alright so is there a reason why the textures in the selection are gray?

[honest stag]

where? in jack?

[gritty forge]

Yep

[honest stag]

i dont use jack, but maybe it needs a palette file?