TB does support MD3 now
#dusk-modding
ancient depot
The official editor kit is still sticking with MDL for better compatibility across editors though
honest stag
@long anchor here for whenever you're back
that should be it
just need to test the scale and shit
ancient depot
only true fans recognize this
alpine depot
guess im not a true fan 😔
ancient depot
tall zenith
i member
honest stag
im a scrub that joined on release of the game so im a newbie
but i DO have a question
what was this all about
alpine depot
h o w
honest stag
back in 2018
tall zenith
basically none of the levels in that trailer made it into the game
ancient depot
That was a custom map someone made that we put ingame for them to test I think?
honest stag
huh cool
ancient depot
Some duskworld maps started out as TB maps
foggy creek
When all hl entities are supported it should be possible to make Terry traps...
foggy creek
yeah but it dosen't have a terry trap
honest stag
and not pretendiong to be a map
ancient depot
Mystica and I think Fusillade started in TB
They were blocked out in TB anyway
The BSP loader wasn't complete enough back then for them to remain as BSPs
foggy creek
what about the cut office map?
ancient depot
Cut office map?
foggy creek
wasn't there a cut dw map?
ancient depot
Maybe? You'd have to ask Scott about that
ivory magnet
scoot stole office from cs
ancient depot
I guess there was
ancient depot
ah right, I remember this
alpine depot
derailed's almost a year old oh god i feel like an old man now
and here i am still not knowing how half of TB works lmao
ancient depot
aerowalk is the true classic
still raptor
honestly that was so much fun to play
but it wouldnt feel right to ship a map we didnt design
honest stag
oh man 1 year of sdk really is approaching fast huh
ancient depot
I can export the map and we can put it out somewhere once mp comes
still raptor
its cursed, not worth it, i could remake it
ancient depot
but yeah, definitely wouldn't include it with the base game
still raptor
although it natively supports aereowalks many bsp versions so
not even any point lmao
historical preservation
still raptor
i think i made that map in like an hour
because duskworld had exactly zero test maps that werent a flat plane
ancient depot
I think the map I spent the most time on was untextured mystica
still raptor
lmao
honest stag
ah the dog shit 2 maps from all the way back on january 5th
ancient depot
I played that map a ton
still raptor
as black phillips
ancient depot
hank did good work
still raptor
should probably return black phillip to the game tbh
hes just sitting there perfectly viable, just not selectable
ancient depot
I want my nargle playermodel
ancient depot
I don't think jakob even existed during the time DW was being developed
still raptor
there was a very specific reason we didnt allow black phillip however
he did not yeah
honest stag
oh wow damn
alpine depot
ms paint jakob pls
still raptor
jakobs model and texture were finished like, mere weeks before the game shipped
foggy creek
Did you ever get round to testing intoxigator in DW?
still raptor
nah
i did experiment with a skeleton playermodel at one point
but it wasnt happening
he was constructed out of the existing bones, skulls, and ribcages already found in dusk
it just looked awful though
alpine depot
put me in the game :DDDDD
honest stag
fug :DDDDDDDDDDD
alpine depot
just insert every character from every NB game
v1, Mr. Amid Evil himself, Gloomdoc, etc
yooo smash bros but a shooter
still raptor
see while the idea of that is nice
honest stag
"Mr, Amid Evil"
alpine depot
imagine that
honest stag
what Leon?
still raptor
its a lot of work
alpine depot
yeah
mostly just joking around
oh wait idea
just make gloomdoc floating hands
ez
honest stag
v1, Mr. Amid Evil himself, Gloomdoc, etc
i got a better idea
let's make that ourselves
alpine depot
ez
still raptor
if i was to put leon in the game
it would just be this model with leons face mapped to it
still raptor
#freex0chitl
ancient depot
honest stag
swamp level tho 
ancient depot
There's more than E1MS2 that didn't make the cut
foggy creek
Can brush based enities such as func_doors and Func_breakables be moved via a Trigger_telelport?
ancient depot
They shouldn't be able to
foggy creek
Ok so I can use looping doors to make the illusion of a scrolling texture?
ancient depot
You could yeah
foggy creek
Train level here I come
ancient depot
But only because of a quirk that will be patched soon
(func_door is supposed to ignore teleporters)
foggy creek
oh 😦
ancient depot
Proper scrolling textures are coming though
alpine depot
YOOOOOOO
honest stag
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
ancient depot
like I said before, one of the main focuses of the patch is to bring custom maps up to speed with what the campaign can do
honest stag
dunno tbh
ancient depot
Everything should work with transparent textures
dusk extends rendermode to work with everything
foggy creek
which render mode should be used for transparency?
honest stag
1
foggy creek
also Wendigos that never turn visible.
ancient depot
I believe you can also use transparent instead of 1, but I wouldn't recommend doing that currently
honest stag
but transparent textures like fences and shit will work by themselves
ancient depot
the names are subject to change right now
ok the names are
Normal, Color, Texture, Glow, Solid, Additive
Equivalent to the range 0 to 5, in that order
They're based on the names used in HL but I'm tempted to change them because using names is a Dusk-specific extension, and those names don't make much sense imo
honest stag
wouldnt it be cool if i wake up and the update is out haha jk...
im off to bed
veven my man ping me about every issue with scale of those things and i'll fix em when im awake
ancient depot
lmao, g'night
gritty forge
Can we get weather and fog for christmas pls ;-;
gritty forge
Same
gonna be working on a snowy map
so I really want to be able to make something like the place the bone monks get introduced in
the blizzardy ruins area
foggy creek
I'm working on a underground facility in a cave built around a giant metal sphere were the final boss fight takes place. Kinda like the old aperture parts of portal 2.
I wanna use the fog for forced darkness
long anchor
<@!212201609382330368> here for whenever you're back
nice
wait what
gun models too?
woo hoo
long anchor
alright i'm working on it
first: change all the filenames in fgd file and make sure they all appear correctly in editor
btw pak explorer refuses to add files with name longer than 8 letters so some names had to be shortened
ancient depot
That's odd, I could've sworn Quake paks supported up to 50 characters
Correction, it's 56
gritty forge
by the way
is there any official statement regarding whether dusk is a town or province or what
long anchor
That's odd, I could've sworn Quake paks supported up to 50 characters
maybe it's me being me
¯_(ツ)_/¯
also question
ancient depot
it's a town
long anchor
why there is 4 different intoxigator versions in fgd
ancient depot
that's a good question
long anchor
intoxigator, intoxigator senior, intoxigator small, intoxigator son
wh-
which ones are actual enemies lol
ancient depot
Intoxigator (Boss)
Son of Intoxigator (Baby)
Son of Intoxigator (Boss)
Not sure what Intoxigator senior is meant to be
ancient depot
The baby intoxigator is in the sewer in the arena where you fight the normal intoxigator
no I mean I know what object it is, I just don't know what it's for
I just made it spawnable because I could
it's probably not even used lol
long anchor
oh? so it's an actual object that we can spawn?
long anchor
oh i'll leave it then
ancient depot
in which case I'll likely remove it
long anchor
oh
oh
correction
there are 5
monster_intoxigator_son_baby, "Intoxigator's Baby Son"
fuckit™
i'm deleting these 2
ancient depot
crimson patrol
Smol
ancient depot
Intoxigator (Senior), Intoxigator (Small), Intoxigator, Intoxigator (Son, Baby), Intoxigator (Son)
Intoxigator (Senior) and Intoxigator are seemingly identical
Intoxigator (Small) is just a slightly larger version of the son
gritty forge
you know what would be absolutely sick
a shake trigger
that causes the screen to shake
would be amazing for my tunnel where you get chased by the monster
long anchor
do we have screen shakes in campaign?
gritty forge
yea
long anchor
heh heh chainsaw goes brrrrrrrr
gritty forge
some parts
gritty forge
even if we didn't I'd still want it
<- used to make this
long anchor
it's not done yet
gritty forge
does it show rotations properly?
ancient depot
I must've exported it in the pose animation whenever I made the .obj
gritty forge
@long anchor
long anchor
yeah seems like rotations are fine
long anchor
hngghh why dude's orange lol
gritty forge
I really wish we had an fgd that showed the models positions properly
would make mapping so much more convenient
speaking specifically of objects like lamp posts etc
long anchor
actually i think i should specify that i'm not actually "making" it, i'm modifying the fgd file that i had before
would make mapping so much more convenient
speaking specifically of objects like lamp posts etc
oh yeah absolutely
gritty forge
some items don't allow the rotation tool so you have to manually add angles but some objects don't seem to just allow the angle / mangle key but need the "angles" key and it's all a jumbled mess
foggy creek
Is there a set size the buttons for the texture should be or is it kinda relative?
foggy creek
Also I don't think my glass is supposed to look like that.
long anchor
yeah you can turn it in func_wall and set renderamt to 150
and rendermode to 1 iirc
don't turn the the whole worldspawn in func_wall tho
foggy creek
It's a func_breakable with rendermode set to 1
didn't know the renderamt had to be 150 tho
gritty forge
lol my map is surprisingly speedrunable
I also made sure to allow OOB speedrunning with it
but it takes a bit of wit
didn't make the clip boxes super restrictive
gritty forge
didn't know the renderamt had to be 150 tho
it can be lower, I think it's the opacity
I have 100 now
gritty forge
yea
I felt so clever for finding this inintended OOB path on my map
to speedrun it
did it in 20 sec lol
I did intend for some of it but the main time saving part was unintended
also why doesn't the quick restart key work in SDK?
foggy creek
In SDK levels I think stuff like quicksaves and stuff are bugged that might be why.
gritty forge
also @ancient depot I do believe you're supposed to be able to shoot through illusionary brushes?
Enemies can but the player can't
crimson patrol
It's a one way "fuck you" gate
honest stag
ohhhh right zombiue could you send the prop and ojbect models if you have them?
i could include them in the fgd if possible
oh and pickups too
whoops
tiny guns
dont talk to me or my son ever again
gritty forge
tbh
that boss looks sick
would be cool to see a version with maybe blood instead of fire
would make it look less like a fire pony
honest stag
alright so the quake boomers didnt respond to me with my issue of tb so i went dirently into the trenchbroom server and asked there
they told me it's the drivers as their best guess
honest stag
if you scroll way up you can read the entire thing
basically i cant launch any 2020 trenchbroom buidls
gritty forge
is there some way to make teleporters without the teleporter object?
like the ones in quake for example
honest stag
look up trigger_teleport tutorials by dumptruck_ds
they'll tell you all you need to know
gritty forge
yea I know how teleporters in trenchbroom work
thought dusk had different
or smth
good then my hellish map will be nice
I hope
honest stag
im done with bigjohn's shit
honest stag
@ancient depot sorry for the ping but i kinda cant figure this one out
i cant seem to be able to change the offset of a bounding box for enemies
i can change their size just fine, and i see offsets being changed for props and stuff but my changes seemingly do nothing
here's an example
@PointClass base(Monster) size(-64 -64 -24, 64 64 24) offset(100 100 18) studio("progs/bigjohn.mdl") = monster_bigjohn : "Big John" []
the values for the offest are big since im just trying to see if it even works
honest stag
so uhhh zom you probably dont need to worry about that custom tb build lol
ericW is helping me fix tb right now
what a chad
turns out it was becaise my system user name had non-ascii characters
he gave me a dev build that works
what an absolute CHAD
i cant even recognize tb now
it looks so nice
lunar lion
ancient depot
@honest stag Did you end up figuring out what was up with the bounding box stuff?
@gritty forge Yeah the func_illusionary issues are known, will be patched
honest stag
nope
i was waiting for veven to come back and he only did now
and he's busy for now
ancient depot
Maybe TrenchBroom doesn't support offset in fgds?
Might be worth checking it in JACK
honest stag
well that would be odd cuz there's a bunch of lines with offsets in them for props and stuff
ancient depot
Maybe they never worked in the first place
honest stag
hm i actually didnt check if changing those would make any changes
yeah now that i think about it i should give em a test
also i dont know if you've seen it but
do you have the models for all the pickups/props/objects?
ancient depot
I don't think so
honest stag
ah shame
honest stag
i dont mind doing the manual work with em in the name of the fgd
nothing better to do on holidays anyway
ha-ha-ha
honest stag
oh MY i like some of the stuff i see here
OH WOW
alright tune it down a bit
that's too far
honest stag
w-
what
ok um
what the fuck is enemy1 and why is it so creepy
oh wait
is that the leatherneck
long anchor
leatherneck but without leather
ancient depot
enemy1 would be the meat lass probably
honest stag
there is a separate file for the meatlass and this is the enemy1 guy
ancient depot
oh ok yeah that's just the leatherneck
(the leatherneck replaced the meat lass so that makes sense)
honest stag
lol
also so i guess there is no way to adjust the bounding box? just centering the model manually and then resizing it to fit?
for tb that is
ancient depot
Yeah I suppose you'll have to do that
I'll need to account for that in the fgd generator too
ancient depot
I think it's an episode 2 thing?
It's a lot more obvious when it has a texture on it
textures/blower.png
honest stag
ah it's those
got it
car go vroom vroom :)
there is no pickup for mortar ammo?
or am i missing it
in the supported entities that is
ah no
found it
ancient depot
grenadeprojectile/grenadeboxmodel
honest stag
was talkin about pickup_grenade
pickup_grenade_box
ancient depot
ah
ancient depot
both
honest stag
ohhhh OHHHH
one's the throwable brick the other is the static object
got it
meathookmodel is unused im guessing???
ah no
ancient depot
e1m1
foggy creek
where are the mage alert sounds I can't find them in the mage folder.
honest stag
some sounds arent included yet
foggy creek
oh
honest stag
wow there's a lot of props huh :)
man i can see how making the sdk must be a pain in the ass
cant even imagine the bullshit that gets in the way and im just porting some models
ancient depot
Yeah it's pretty rough at times lol
gritty forge
Thank you for your work zombie san
honest stag
gritty forge
honest stag
the first proper alpha version of the fgd with models should be ready tomorrow
if everything goes right
honest stag
probably yeah
gritty forge
Because it’s just the names of the entities that are relevant right
Not the fgd itself
honest stag
yea
honest stag
the fgd provided just has definitions for them
and the .pak file that we're going to slap along with it will provide the models
so the fgd dictates which models to load, what should be in the entity tab and default properties of things, along with bounding boxes
technically you can make an fgd with no models at all
gritty forge
It would be cool if you could add grouped brushes and stuff into the entities tab
or like a custom object tab
gritty forge
But it would be nicer to have a drag and drop for all your maps
gritty forge
Yes
gritty forge
Copy paste?
honest stag
yea
gritty forge
Sure but it feels not as convenient
I guess grouped obj’s and that works fine though
long anchor
the first proper alpha version of the fgd with models should be ready tomorrow
if everything goes right
we have to figure out if we can start using it without tb's quake preset
honest stag
we cant?
honest stag
most of them yes
they might not be 100% correct but yeah
i sent the pak file in the secret server
long anchor
also you're reexporting prop models right?
honest stag
for now yea
long anchor
cool
honest stag
ther'es just a lot of em lmao
honest stag
i'll probably be done only tomorrow
also
honest stag
i tried loading in the fgd in a generic format and it's failing to load the models
the fgd is fine
somethings tellms me it's the id1 folder
long anchor
hmmm
gritty forge
maybe if I put my mind to it and work hard today and tomorrow I can be done with my first map by christmas
honest stag
the crimbo map? it's going but sloooowly
obviously exams are coming up
so im just kinda rushing down homework and stuff
and now fgd work has taken over
long anchor
i see
honest stag
the max filename character count is 8 in the fgd right
long anchor
in pak explorer
honest stag
prolly yea
long anchor
idk what kind of restriction this is and i'm too lazy to investigate
honest stag
doesnt really matter was just interested
honest stag
hey yo zombie just noticed but
the fireplace just has a single log model?
it's not a singular model?
the entire campfire that is
same with the grenade box model having no grenades inside
long anchor
iceberg material
ancient depot
@honest stag They're probably modified in Unity after being imported
Which is just another complication with doing this stuff lol
gritty forge
why does this happen
the lighting on entities is like
inconsistent
and goes really bright like this in some areas
long anchor
hmmm apparently tb has some problems with rotating entities if bbox size numbers are not multiples of 16 OR if the bbox' x z coords don't form a square OR if dividing x or y size (in editor) gives you an odd number
bizarre as hell
actually nvm some still won't rotate properly
jesus christ why it's not working
is it possible that model and it's own alignment screws this up?
gritty forge
I know that some entities require like
mangle and angles keys instead of angle
etc
but
I have no idea abt the technical reasons for that
but I have noticed that too
long anchor
I think i figured it out: these funny numbers should be respectively equal in modulus
here they are not equal in modulus, therefore shit's fucked
problem is
i can't do both equal funny numbers and accurate bboxes
for some reason
i think it's something to do with models
gritty forge
HmM
also
anyone know if DUSK has any specific order for key colours?
I haven't paid attention to it
foggy creek
Order as in like which one should come first? I don't think it does
gritty forge
yea
I guess it's generally a good practise though
because if players catch on to it it makes the gameplay less confusing
even though DUSK maps aren't very confusing at all
for the most part
foggy creek
yeah also is having lights turning on and off supported?
gritty forge
is there some way to make an invisible door that doesn't turn textures behind it transparent too?
gritty forge
yeah also is having lights turning on and off supported?
sadly not, I really want to use it to make my button switches go from glowing red to green but we can't rn
foggy creek
is there some way to make an invisible door that doesn't turn textures behind it...
Shouldn't you just make the visible faces a transparent texture because I do that and it works.
gritty forge
oh
foggy creek
the non visible faces shouldn't be textured
gritty forge
Oooh
That makes sense
I’m gonna use it for a water current
since we can’t do that I thought of using a func door to push you
It’s only gonna be a one way push in the start of the map so it’s not a big deal that it’s a bit of a wonky fix
foggy creek
should suffice until Trigger_push is supported
Also I found a way to make enemies able to get past doors that start closed: You gotta use the spawnflag "Starts open" and then use a trigger at the start of the level to close it.
crimson patrol
Thats smart
foggy creek
Btw quick question once the Hl entites are fully supported will they be the only option for more complex map logic?
honest stag
it seems i overestimated my free time for the fgd lmao
kind of a big deal to take it on dutring exam weeks
and i ran into even more issues too
gritty forge
having some emerging issues with performance
what are the most effective ways to increase fps?
honest stag
decrease the number of candles then
gritty forge
I'm guessing I have a lot of like, slanted and angled shapes and stuff in the map
which might cause the majority of performance loss
honest stag
that shouldnt affect performance at all
gritty forge
isn't it like quake where there's more triangles that need to be calculated for the map geometry?
maybe that's just how the quake engine works
honest stag
im not exactly sure on the technicality of it, but afaik it will not affect performance
foggy creek
If your using jack then it matters as visleafs are packed into the bsp as far as I know
gritty forge
?
foggy creek
Oh nvm then
gritty forge
my performance doubled
legit
DOUBLED
60fps to 120
I added a fucking skybox brush in the bottom of my map and removed some candles
honest stag
told ya
gritty forge
and my performance doubled
I can't get over that
ok candles are stupid
but they look so gooood
honest stag
yea they chug hard but look good
honest stag
i have a smal-ish map with like 8 rooms that stutters because i use a bunch of candles
gritty forge
oh my god
that was trippy
I stood up like semi hunched over my desk and watched my monitor from an angle and started bhopping around
felt like the floor was rotating
Hmm I wonder why candles kill performance so much
Is it that the light itself needs to be dynamic and able to move when you move the candle or something
But then it shouldn’t be an issue unless you move the candle
honest stag
dont know if i ever asked, but why was IQM specifically chosen for the sdk as the go-to model format?
is there any big reason behind it or is it just a good format
still raptor
its open source, its well laid out, it supports the things we need, is strongly extensible, and is a great replacement for existing quake and quake like formats
honest stag
ah i see
makes sense then
still raptor
the typical modern model format is FBX, but its really just garbage
honest stag
i can see why you wanted the fgd process automated
this will take a whle
gritty forge
hey um
pts
I was wondering why candles seem to tank performance so much. Just out of curiosity
still raptor
because candles are realtime lights
those are expensive performance wise
you should model and use a light entity for candles so that you can bake the light
will be much much better performing
yaeh you wont be able to move them around
honest stag
honestly? sounds like a great idea
still raptor
especially when we get around to light styles
honest stag
i would just need to somehow pinpoint what properties to have for the light
still raptor
that would allow you to have them flicker and fade (like they do in quake)
honest stag
aw yeaaaaa sick
cant wait for light switches and stuff
still raptor
also @honest stag , there are more reasons than just tedium to automate it
it will allow it to be repeatable with changes if needed, and also use 100% accurate bounding sizes etc
for example, if we added a new enemy to dusk in an expansion or something
honest stag
ah yeah that is true
and i guess if someone wants to mod in some enemies it'll help too
still raptor
its also likely we would base the boxes off of their collision size in the official version
which would make the most sense
but thats not something thats easily extractable for you
honest stag
is there any way we can see the collision sizes? just visually so we can at least eyeball the boxes lmao
still raptor
not easily no, one of us can go through and give you some screenshots as the quickest way
you could use a script to dump the sizes for you
honest stag
that would be extremely appreciated but also sounds like extra work
still raptor
but thats quite a bit more work
honest stag
for you that is
honest stag
i mean screenshots lol
like it would take time to do it
still raptor
oh, yeah lol
honest stag
and about the script - im not any proficient with code so i guess veven will have to be the guy to get into that
still raptor
you could use this
or something like it
it would get you the box sizes
no coding needed
honest stag
huh
dang i'll take a look at this right now
still raptor
i think there is a better version of this somewhere that does the same thing but i dont remember what its called
gritty forge
because candles are realtime lights
@still raptor this is what I guessed, but you can’t have flame particles, no?
Or maybe you can add particles
I’ve thought about the idea of making my own candles but that has been the only setback
honest stag
found leathernecks in this thing but cant seem to find their collision box properties
shame
honest stag
leathernecks only seemed to have Transform and NewBloodsomethinsomething
honest stag
ah i see
i guess i didnt look well enough
i also used the search bar inside the both components for "box" "collide" "hit" and didnt find andything
but i'll look again
cant find it :(
ancient depot
the component should be BoxCollider specifically
long anchor
my life in 4 words
high magnet
alpine depot
wat
ancient depot
yeah I dunno, that's weird
gritty forge
I’ve set up some ideas for map names for my map pack
just based on the map names, which should be my next level to work on
”the crimson cesspool” or ”the labyrinth of pain”
crisp raven
Crimson Cesspool
gritty forge
Okie
Labyrinth of pain, as well as my current map ”black industrial misery” are both names of songs I enjoy
crimson patrol
gritty forge
Btw
crimson cesspool, as you can prolly guess by the name, will be like a sewer-ish map with gore and stuff
sharp trail
”the crimson cesspool” or ”the labyrinth of pain”
Crimson labyrinth
gritty forge
Eh
I like the two separated better
and it fits the map progression the way I want
gritty forge
OoO
just had a nice idea for a boss in the crimson cesspool
well
a boss reskin mostly
gritty forge
is there some way to locate entities in your map
cause
for some reason I got a sword but my map doesn't have swords
or shouldn't have
at least
gritty forge
do the light object fixtures also tank performance?
alpine depot
if you mean like street lamps, i'd imagine it's baked or not necessarily realtime so they should be fine
but the candle props for sure will tank performance if you shove a buttload of them in a level
should be fine though if you use some a little sparingly
honest stag
light fixtures are the things that are on the celling
office lamps
they dont give off any light iirc
so no
probably
alpine depot
i think they do tho
honest stag
really? i dont remember that
gritty forge
I doubt it too
but
well
they don't emit any actual light
they do have a glow thing though
or maybe they do emit a little light
honest stag
you'd be better off making your own
it's a matter of like 10 seconds
and you can even bypass using a light entity and instead make the brush emit light
alpine depot
mmmm ROOM
honest stag
noice loolong good
alpine depot
honest stag
dude that is sick af
alpine depot
aiming for a bunch of detail in areas
telling a story purely through the map itself..,.
magic..//..,,,..,
also ripping off cyberpunk's prologue mission so it'll make it easier to base it roughly off that
honest stag
aiming for a bunch of detail in areas
and that's how you take weeks on like 3 rooms
trust somone who does it on a regular basis
alpine depot
i know from experience lol
but gonna leave it at slightly-more-detailed quake levels of detail
honest stag
quake has details?
alpine depot
kind of lol
honest stag
aside from like 5 boxes
alpine depot
spooky
honest stag
lookin good
alpine depot
awesome
wish i had the drive to map for 3 days straigth
the map jam obliterated my skills for that lol
honest stag
wish i had the time to map for 3 days straight
gritty forge
I had 20 hrs of dusk prior to map making
alpine depot
nearly 300 for me now
gritty forge
;o
honest stag
i have classes even on the 31st
get no freakin time to map at all
gritty forge
ow
alpine depot
cant have SHIT in dusk modding
gritty forge
I think im gonna consider adding some more like
dimensions and pipes, fences and wall details as well as trims
but I like this
even though it's very plain
I like the "door"? idk what it's called
gonna add pipes and shit here eventually
alpine depot
meanwhile my map is about to look like if i used Carve in hammer lol
least it doesnt look like a dong anymore :DDDDDDD
ah hell youtube to mp3 keeps getting blocked by malwarebytes lol
yelling that it's a trojan apparently lmao- there goes my idea of putting in cyberpunk music
legit ive used this website for ages and it's fine???
must be the popups or whatever but i have ublock for that
gritty forge
hyped to get started with my next map soon
and to add more to my other map
I have some cool ideas baking
honest stag
hyped to maybe finish the fgd in like a couple weeks when the exams are over
and play all of your maps
alpine depot
man that'll make mapping so much easier
inb4 official fgd released right before it's finished
honest stag
im still totally eyeballing the bounding boxes and the sizes of models may not be 100% accurate
im srue it'll be better with some testing tho
honest stag
inb4 official fgd released right before it's finished
now that would crush my spirits
alpine depot
dargh my pistol sound replacement isnt working
oh wait nvm lol
it's the fuckin weapon sfx reimagining mod nvm
there we go
gritty forge
@alpine depot hey um I think the "intercom" brush you made is the same as the speaker entity??
alpine depot
didnt feel like shoving the point entity around for it
and having to adjust n shit
gets really annoying so i just did two brushes
honest stag
it's kinda crzy how many dusk models are just cubes with textures giving them depth and shit
gritty forge
yeaa
alpine depot
😎
honest stag
i'll find the whole thing in a moment
"If you want textures to emit lights: place your light ent, give it "_surface" property and write texture name (same as in wad) without the extension. Ta-da, all brushes with this texture emit light with same properties as your light entity."
thank you based veven
alpine depot
actually i dont use that for these illuminations lol
i use two point entities with a light value of like, 85 i think
delay of 2
honest stag
ah i thought
eh whatever
alpine depot
wait of 4
oh wait that's why they're lightly orange and not WHITE
ag
a large portion of the map won't be so DARK and ORANGE and BROWN
in fact the room next to it is a lot brighter
oh yeah could someone do me a huge favor and convert a youtube video to an mp3/ogg/whatever for me lol
alpine depot
my antivirus keeps obliterating anything i try and convert cuz of the websites being "dangerous"
just want some cyberpunk music in my map :(
alpine depot
mmm CyberTunes™️ acquired 😎
they already add a lot to the map wow
amazing what some good music can do for atmosphere
honest stag
yeah my crimbo map will have "all i want for christmas is you" because h
honest stag
ithe dubstep remix
alpine depot
there's a dubstep remix oh my god
honest stag
of course
long anchor
thank you based veven
funny thing is if you ask me now i won't remember any of this complicated stuff
thank god my brain told me it would be a great idea to document this
this reminds me of what a mess my setpieces in lower 2 are
and if i'd want to edit them or something i'll spend some time figuring out what does what
look at this shit:
I kinda figured out that first four are teleports
but wtf is "jamesidiot"
wtf is "jameskiller"
honest stag
lmao
foggy creek
Is multithreading on multi_managers supported?
long anchor
Is multithreading on multi_managers supported?
?
foggy creek
multithreading is basically when a multi_manager creates a copy of itself if it's triggered while still going through it's processes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRqV47Pk6pc this explains it better
gritty forge
can you add spawnflags for entities to not spawn in certain difficulties like in quake?
honest stag
pretty sure but im not sure which difficulty correlates to which in dusk
but there WAS some list
or hey you could test it
3 entities that are "not on easy/normal/hard/nightmare" and you load the level with each difficulty
ancient depot
@foggy creek multithreaded multi managers aren't implemented yet, but they will be as of the next patch
honest stag
man that patch sounds bigger and bigger each time you mention it
foggy creek
cool so I have found a way to crash dusk with just a map.
honest stag
oh it's easier than that :)
ancient depot
i mean, that's just part of having all goldsrc entities implemented
foggy creek
yeah multi threaded multi managers can be used to make infinite multi managers until the game crashes
ancient depot
that said I really hate the usage of "multi threading" as terminology for it
since it's not actually multi threading
honest stag
i got real confused when i saw that lol
ancient depot
I blame valve
honest stag
"what does multi threading have to do with this"
gritty forge
is there a way to make smooth transitions between the music?
honest stag
Nah
gritty forge
aw
honest stag
what aqua does is put a silence track betweet the sections
gritty forge
that's a good idea
honest stag
so it's not like "music instantly cuts to another track" but instead "music cuts to silence, tension, then a new track starts"
in my map i used "music cuts to shitty teleport noses cuz it's a teleport then cuts to the second track"
gritty forge
sometimes I think an abrupt change is welcomed though
like
right at an intense arena fight
gritty forge
would be nice if there were a fadeout key for the trigger changemusic at least
honest stag
it'll probably be there eventually
cant speak for devs tho
gritty forge
just like weather, fog and particles ;-;
these things would improve maps sooooo much though
foggy creek
would be nice if there were a fadeout key for the trigger changemusic at least
Can't you just use a audio editing software to add a fade out?
long anchor
nah
ancient depot
No because trigger_changemusic hard cuts
long anchor
it should loop lol
ancient depot
So you can have a fade in, but not a fade out
You can change music on a timer to a "fade out" track, but that's not guaranteed to remain in sync
foggy creek
couldn't you have it hard cut to a ending/ fadeout part of a song and when the fade out segment is done then have it fade into a new song?
ancient depot
Yes, by using timers, but you can't ensure it remains in sync
foggy creek
still kinda limits what kinda song you can use tho
ancient depot
Audio is processed independently from everything else, so lag etc can cause discrepancies
long anchor
fr? damn
ancient depot
There'll be more music triggers and stuff later on
trigger_changemusic was a quick add so people could at least do some music stuff
long anchor
at least some > nothing
i probably should've said "is better" instead of > because now it looks like i'm saying "at least some is nothing"
foggy creek
Is there any supported entity that's serves a similar function to a Math_Counter in source 1?
gritty forge
well you can make the music itself fade out but only if the song fades out in the end, but there’s no built in feature to have a fade out at any given time that the player triggers a new changemusic
foggy creek
I sorta meant have the fade out as a separate sound file sorta like how Payday 2's songs work and syncing up at anytime.
gritty forge
but it would still cut the audio because you can only use specific audio files that then loop
so if you're 10 sec in on the loop and trigger the fadeout even if it's the same song it will make a jump bc the timestamps are not synced
bold orbit
Dassum good atmospheric lighting
sharp trail
😮
crimson patrol
Cyberdusk 2077
gritty forge
When you don’t have an rrx gpu and 60€ to buy cyberpunk
small gate
When you don’t have an rrx gpu and 60€ to buy cyberpunk
fucking 20fps drops with an r7 1700+rx5700 lmao
gritty forge
where
oh cyberpunk
I get 60+ mostly I think but the movement is so fucked in that game it’s unbearable
gritty forge
mm nice spoilers
alpine depot
wdym spoilers for random items lol
honest stag
SPOILERS AQUA 💢
alpine depot
the game's DIFFICULTY SPIKE is basically over i mean-
honest stag
||AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA||
crimson patrol
Aqua make that map brutally hard just to fuck with everyone
crimson patrol
Both
wooden dove
Sooo
honest stag
yeah
wooden dove
Is TrenchBroom easier than Hammer ?
wooden dove
But it seems to have more deeps to it than Hammer
like moves textures and such in TrenchBroom that you can't do in Hammer if I recall correctly
honest stag
im not familiar with hammer, but i couldnt learn it
with TB, i made a map in literally a day
wooden dove
That's cool
honest stag
and it's really really intuitive
wooden dove
might start my little modding adventure
wooden dove
oh thanks
But yeh, TB seems a lot more fun to mod with than Hammer and it's 4 windows and so on
Like how tf did they made all of half-life on it
honest stag
eh those 4 windows are just pespectives after all
you can have that setup in TB as well if you want it iirc
wooden dove
Seemed a lot more intuitive to just have one window to move around than the 4
honest stag
yup
"intuitive" is the word that describes TB perfectly
wooden dove
Anyway, I'll check your boi on youtube and give TB a try, ty
crimson patrol
Huh I have a cool idea
So i like my maps to have a bit of scenery in the background, but it makes the map too big, so maybe if I take a screenshot, make it into a texture and put it on a flat wall it saves file size?
honest stag
nice ultrakill scenery
crimson patrol
And by that I mean like full on buildings or mountains as scenery
Would that idea work
honest stag
yup
honest stag
hey it woked in 1.6 kinda
in cs that is
at least i remember plenty of maps with flat scenery skyboxes
long anchor
mhm
crimson patrol
Hmmm
honest stag
i guess half-life counts too with it's mountains for example
remember the mountain ledge skybox? that blew my mind
honest stag
i legit thought they mapped out an entire canyon
crimson patrol
Yep
And by at the time I mean when I played it 8 months ago
And thought it was cool for its time
ancient depot
when you play the game in high res it completely destroys the illusion now
honest stag
halflife is older than me but i still played it only as a kid on a pc that could run old games
that too
playing it on 800x600 is soooo different from 1600x900
they just look so
blurry
the skyboxes that is
crimson patrol
:[
crimson patrol
long anchor
halflife is older than me but i still played it only as a kid on a pc that could...
my brother told me that first game i ever "played" was they hunger mod, when i was 2 yo
i just pressed rmb and killed a bunch of zombies with grenade launcher
honest stag
my first was serious sam 1
and it scared the living shit out of me
long anchor
and laughed
honest stag
lol
wooden dove
They Hunger is pretty fun in coop
long anchor
it's overall pretty fun
long anchor
i don't like how it started to be less scary with each episode but oh well
it was still fun
long anchor
They did Cry of Fear after that
uh, no
honest stag
yeah you should trust veven on anything cry of fear related
long anchor
you mixed it up with afraid of monsters probably
maybe there was one dev i don't know about that worked both on TH and COF
¯_(ツ)_/¯
anyway, kinda shame they stopped working on that source remake of they hunger
it's unfinished and buggy but even with all that it still looks and plays good
anyway, time finish this goddamn fgd
honest stag
yeah i wish we didnt start making it during an exam week lol
im kinda busted out
btw i sent the updated version of the fgd and the pak
and the test map
honest stag
yep
i just added model names to all the props and stuff to fill up later
it was something i could do while being in a zoom class so i did
so yeah no models but model names
long anchor
i see
wooden dove
Imma make ctf_2fort for dusk