dusk-modding

[snow marsh]

https://i.imgur.com/AhngO7s.png

speed is 100

its just a defualt value though

[honest stag]

try disabling the wait key

[snow marsh]

alrighty

[honest stag]

wait default value?

[snow marsh]

speed was already 100

for me

[honest stag]

try setting it manually

to 75 or something

[snow marsh]

It worked, i changed two things gonna figurwe out what one fixed it

it was the speed value

its still at 100 but i set it myself

[honest stag]

default keys dont always work right

[snow marsh]

mhmm, ive had problems similar

[honest stag]

like for example trigger_counter
"count" is 2 or 3 by default but only counts down 1 thing

and if you set it manually it's fine

[long anchor]

someone's figuring out rotating doors?

rest in rips my friend

i'll remember you as a brave man

(or not man? idk)

[crimson patrol]

I hope rotating doors get better support

[foggy creek]

Can't you just use the Goldsrc method even in trenchbroom?

https://twhl.info/wiki/page/Tutorial%3A_Doors

[solid isle]

just use fuckin

JACK

[honest stag]

dont know jack shit about jack

[solid isle]

learn hammer and you'll know jack about jack

[foggy creek]

I would but It won't compile a compatible vrad for some reason

[honest stag]

"learn hammer"

yeah you see that's the problem right there

[solid isle]

or worldcraft rather

I mean, there's a dummy amount of documentation

TWHL and Valve's own wiki

[honest stag]

all of that just for rotating doors tho

and giving up the comfort of trenchbroom

[solid isle]

"comfort"

🤢

also yeah, it's possible to know two tools at once

[honest stag]

but is it worth the trouble

[solid isle]

imo yeah lol

[ancient depot]

Can't you just use the Goldsrc method even in trenchbroom?
Nope, but I believe support for it is coming in a future TrenchBroom update

GoldSrc support is being worked on, last I checked

[honest stag]

what exactly will i get out of jack tho
legit curious

[solid isle]

idk, what do you get out of trenchbroom

[honest stag]

like what can i do there that i cant do in TB

[foggy creek]

better support for complex geometry etc spiral stairs and spheres.

[solid isle]

besides lack of func_door_rotating

[honest stag]

yeah besides that

SPHERES?

you got my attentions

attention*

[ancient depot]

The map compiler needs to support it as well, note

So I think ericw-tools would need changes too

[honest stag]

well i dont have to specifically use ericw's though right?

[foggy creek]

yeah I would just use JACK for the BSP geometry and import it as a .map file to trenchbroom.

[honest stag]

i can just use whatever is the half-life version of compiling tools

[ancient depot]

Correct, but I'd prefer if our setup was compiler-independent, which is why I've got other solutions coming

[honest stag]

ah alright

[solid isle]

I think JACK's biggest trait is faster brush creation in terms of both precision and speed

[honest stag]

imma look at some videos on it
see what it's all about

[foggy creek]

one of the reasons JACK is better than Trenchbroom.

[solid isle]

that too

[honest stag]

wow damn

[solid isle]

and very easy to finagle with vertices

[honest stag]

and then there's this to make a sphere in TB https://twitter.com/BafuBal/status/1302548823156363265?s=20

Benoit Stordeur (@BafuBal)

Discussing spheres on Quake Mapping Discord yesterday. Here's a quick way to make a simple approximation of a sphere, using "czg-curve" profiles, clip, extrude, scale, and some convex merging.
#trenchbroom #quake #leveldesign #brushscience https://t.co/URSVCO4NNM

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[foggy creek]

it even makes the curves vertexes snap to the nearest 1 unit integer.

[ancient depot]

I have considered making a custom editor a few times, but I'm not convinced it'd be totally worthwhile

JACK and TrenchBroom serve perfectly well, we just need to generate editor definitions

[solid isle]

yeah lmao, JACK just asks you how many vertices you want and then just generates it for you, as one whole brush

and you can even cut it in half

or into thirds/ fourths

[ancient depot]

A gripe I have with JACK is it being closed source, which makes it less appealing

If it were open source I probably would've forked it for dusk

and then we'd have recommended that

[solid isle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

what can ya do

[ancient depot]

There's https://github.com/Gocnak/sdk-2013-hammer but uh

It'd probably be questionably legal to fork that

[solid isle]

I remember there straight up being an open source Hammer replacement, made from scratch

no clue where the fuck it went

possibly lost on Facepunch forum after it was yeeted

[ancient depot]

Sledge?

[solid isle]

nah

wait

maybe

[foggy creek]

Sledge isn't being developed anymore right?

[ancient depot]

Yeah it's dead

[solid isle]

nah it wasnt sledge

[honest stag]

Also
is there 3d viewport editing like in tb or is it just side view grid stuff

like that

[solid isle]

though Sledge's source code is on github

[long anchor]

Nope, but I believe support for it is coming in a future TrenchBroom update
GoldSrc support is being worked on, last I checked
fr?

[solid isle]

idk how far he got tho

[long anchor]

holy shit

[ancient depot]

Yeah I saw some discussion of it on the TB server

[long anchor]

yoooooo half life modding here i come

[honest stag]

haha i wish i could use that but i cant use newer TB versions since they require updated drivers
And i cant update them for multiple reasons

so mine is stuck on summer 2019 version

[long anchor]

sounds uncool

rip

[ancient depot]

That's weird, do you have any idea why that's required now?

Did it bump the OpenGL version it uses or something?

[honest stag]

nope

no clue

but i straight up cannot start it without updating drivers first

maybe i should try again real quick

see if it's fixed or anything

[long anchor]

inb4 it works

[honest stag]

i'd love that

[long anchor]

[honest stag]

i hear there's a dark theme now is there

[ancient depot]

Yeah

[honest stag]

sick
hope it works

[ancient depot]

https://github.com/TrenchBroom/TrenchBroom/pull/3158

[honest stag]

nice

#206: Soft map bounds

huh?

[foggy creek]

is there any way to make explosions apart from teleporting explosive barrels into each other?

[honest stag]

teleport gas cans into each other

[long anchor]

[foggy creek]

Env_explosion support when

[ancient depot]

That's a GoldSrc entity right

[foggy creek]

yeah

[ancient depot]

Should be in the next patch then

[foggy creek]

nice

[ancient depot]

I've been working on getting in every Quake & HL entity

[long anchor]

[honest stag]

siiick

[long anchor]

oh fuck

that means i have to finish lower series before the patch so i don't have to redo a shitton of gascan explosions

[honest stag]

welp yeah it's not launching again

shame

[long anchor]

o7

[ancient depot]

Is there any particular error you get?

[honest stag]

nope

[ancient depot]

Anything in Windows event log?

[honest stag]

i just select a game and then nothin

also not that i see

[ancient depot]

Is TB still visible in task manager?

under the details tab

[honest stag]

i asked around before in the quake mapping discord and they told me it's the drivers but aight lemme check

[ancient depot]

Just curious if it's crashing or just hanging

[honest stag]

nah cant find it

[ancient depot]

Hmm

Is there anything in the log?

[honest stag]

not sure where the logs for TB are but i'll look in the folder

[ancient depot]

If you wanted you could try building TB on your PC and running it through a debugger to find out where it crashes lol

But building TB requires installing Qt which is a massive pain in the ass sometimes

[honest stag]

oh uh i dont think im good enough for that lol

maybe i should try giving the new drivers a go again

[ancient depot]

What was preventing you from upgrading?

[honest stag]

backin up before that for sure

oh well my screen kept blacking out all the time and any web browser page would crash after 10 seconds of use

right after i updated

tried with multiple ones

[ancient depot]

[honest stag]

lmao

then i reverted and it was all fine

my laptop aint the best to say the least

[ancient depot]

You could try putting a mesa3d opengl32.dll in the tb folder lol

to use software rendering

https://fdossena.com/?p=mesa/index.frag

[honest stag]

not sure what this is but hey if it lets me lauch tb im happy

[long anchor]

inb4 ip snatcher

[crimson patrol]

Zombie hax your computer

[honest stag]

if zombie wanted to snatch my data then he probably did with all those .dlls he sent me

[long anchor]

exposed, doxxed

lmao

[honest stag]

ah i remember when one of the blue screened my laptop

good times

[long anchor]

lol

[crimson patrol]

Vriska gets haxed and exposed by zombie (GONE WRONG) 😱 😱 😱

[honest stag]

im 2011 ford ranger

[ancient depot]

me when I successfully hack vriska's pc:

[honest stag]

h

[crimson patrol]

That 10gb "work" folder

[honest stag]

im... kinda scared to look how much does my dusk mods folder weigh tbh

i havent cleaned it once

alright time to test the thing

[long anchor]

for me it's almost 5 gb

seems fine

[honest stag]

tb aint starting even with that

[long anchor]

tbh we should exclude the base dusk content folder in it

[honest stag]

darn

[long anchor]

#gloomwood message
lol

[ancient depot]

[honest stag]

anyone knows where are the TB crash logs

oh wow lol

[ancient depot]

TB booted for me with it

Make sure you get a 32bit dll for 32bit TB and a 64bit one for 64bit TB

[honest stag]

yea i made sure
lemme double check

[foggy creek]

Can you combine ericw's Qbsp with Jack's Vrad to have coloured lights while still using trenchbroom to map?

[honest stag]

ye both of em are 64

[ancient depot]

hmm

and the dll's just in the TB folder alongside the exe?

[honest stag]

yup

[ancient depot]

weird, it should be working then

[honest stag]

should i try an older version of this thing

[long anchor]

this reminds me of

[ancient depot]

Without software GL:

With

You can tell it's jaggier

I confirmed with process explorer that it's loading the right dll too, so I wonder why it still dies on your end

[honest stag]

i just want to launch it tbh
life with a shitty laptop made me not care about jagginess

tryin again

[ancient depot]

does it not even reach the main screen?

[honest stag]

it lets me select a game and then nothing

[ancient depot]

hm

[honest stag]

oh wait tb puts crash logs only for maps doesnt it

and it names it mapthing.log

shit

i'll look on the issues thing for tb

see if anyone has this too

[ancient depot]

ok I checked the source code

logs go in %AppData%\TrenchBroom

[honest stag]

aight time to check

no log

there's only a log from my previous TB session with the old version

[ancient depot]

wtf

[honest stag]

huh? it seems like

hold up

i will shit if this was the problem

nope

so in the log it said TB is launched with my integrated GPU

and i thought hey maybe the new version doesnt work on it, i'll try the main gpu

nope same thing

[ancient depot]

the fact that it crashed even with the Mesa3D dll has me suspecting that it's not actually driver related

[honest stag]

and the fact that it was the same on both gpus is uh probably contributing to that eh

[ancient depot]

Potentially yeah

[honest stag]

tried compatibility mode, launchin as admin

still the same thing

wow uh that's exactly what i need

nope it wasnt

[ancient depot]

I hate it when Trcenh Booolrom doesn't work

[honest stag]

my sides

i think this started since the first 2020 version

there were no updates in 2019 so i still have it

[ancient depot]

https://github.com/TrenchBroom/TrenchBroom/releases/tag/v2019.6 so this build works?

[honest stag]

pretty sure it's the one i us

lemme check

[ancient depot]

but then this one doesn't: https://github.com/TrenchBroom/TrenchBroom/releases/tag/v2020.1-RC1 ?

because that's very useful info in diagnosing if so

[honest stag]

yeah the upper is the one i use
and that one didnt work

i'll double check right niw

it's only win32?

[ancient depot]

yeah 64-bit builds are new as of 2020.2 I think

[honest stag]

aight i'll try this one but i think it didnt work

yeah not starting

[ancient depot]

There were some GL-related changes between the two, but they don't seem like they'd cause this

https://github.com/TrenchBroom/TrenchBroom/compare/v2019.6...v2020.1-RC1

[honest stag]

welp im lost

lemmy try the mesa3d on this one

nope

[ancient depot]

I might try building TB with this change removed later

That's the only thing that could possibly affect this as far as I can tell

[honest stag]

you sure it's worth the hassle lol
the only thing i really need from newer tb versions is the dark mode
unless they added cooler shit that i missed and if i did i kinda dont want to know cuz i'll be sad

in like 3 years when i upgrade i'll be able to use it

[ancient depot]

@honest stag complete shot in the dark but maybe you're missing a C++ redist?

[honest stag]

i highly doubt it

[ancient depot]

the release page mentions needing all three

[honest stag]

but i'll try

[ancient depot]

Windows users please install the Microsoft Visual C++ Redistributable for Visual Studio 2015, 2017 and 2019:

[honest stag]

since i tried to work in unity i had to install visual studio and i probably installed it then

but i'll do it

[ancient depot]

so maybe as of 2020.1 the stuff needed by GLEW changed

2019.6 mentions only needing the 2017 one

[honest stag]

aight i'll get it from the links on the latest version

i highly doub it tho

[ancient depot]

worth a shot

[honest stag]

not starting but it wants me to reboot my pc
who knows maybe it'll work
there's a goddamn windows update waiting though uuurghhh
and my phone cant use discord cuz it's huawei shit without google services which discord needs

so see ya in like 30 minutes i guess

[ancient depot]

fingers crossed lol

[honest stag]

that was a quick update

it still doesnt work

[ancient depot]

hrmm, that's disappointing

[honest stag]

yeah ur tellin me

😟

[ancient depot]

that was the only other thing I could think of

does mesa work now maybe?

[honest stag]

lemme try

nope

it should work by itself, with nothing else added right

just extract and launch

dang

[ancient depot]

yeah

[honest stag]

oh the bright side i finally restarted my laptop after god knows how long
it cleared 7 gigs of space from the temp folder

oh well guess im staying on the good old 2019.6

never changed since i made my first map there

[ancient depot]

extremely weird that 2020 builds just die though, I'll have to try and play around with making that custom build later

[honest stag]

i'd be very grateful but i've got a feeling it wont go well, and it aint worth it either

since i would need a new custom build anytime i want to update

i'll go ask the quake mapping boomers about this

[long anchor]

custom TB build specifically made for DUSK, when

[foggy creek]

why make a custom build all you need is a offical FGD file

[honest stag]

cuz someone like me cant run it

:(

[foggy creek]

oh 😦

[long anchor]

hmmmm

[honest stag]

yo veven

you're using the newer version right

[long anchor]

nah don't think so

[honest stag]

wait wha you're on 2019 too?

[long anchor]

hold on

i'm on 2020.1 rc1 lol

[honest stag]

ah got it

i wanted to see what the dark mode even looks like lol

[long anchor]

hey so i have a question about TB

does it store quake model files somewhere?

[honest stag]

im not sure but i think it needs quake to load actual quake models in-editor

or quake files that it

but hey unsure

[long anchor]

oh yeah i think it is

alright i have another question

what people use to open/edit .pak files

[honest stag]

you extract them pretty sure with a pak extractor

or a pak explorer

[long anchor]

hmm

[ancient depot]

Slade3 can also open pak files

[sacred flicker]

Quick question: I don't have quake so i can't see any of the entity models, is there a way to fix this?

in trenchbroom that is

[honest stag]

you can get the shareware quake files

they'll have the models

but there's kind of no need?

[long anchor]

yo vriskaman

[honest stag]

but hey if you want to look at the ranger instead of a green cube in info_player entites for exmaple then shoot

ya

[long anchor]

did you ever transform iqm to mdl

[honest stag]

honestly i cant remember
i think i transformed .obj to mdl

or wait no i just exported my blender models as MDL in the first place

why do you need mdl?

but i can do the whole iqm to mdl process if the model is good enough for mdl

[long anchor]

i'm trying to make TB show dusk models but they are in iqm and TB says it's unsupported

[ancient depot]

mdl is needed for display in tb

[honest stag]

ah got it

i can try doing that with some of the models

actually hm

[ancient depot]

it's one of the things that are auto generated along with the fgd for the upcoming editor defs

[honest stag]

oh sick
but i guess for now we'll have to make do eh

[ancient depot]

yeah

[honest stag]

i'll send you a mage mdl in a moment veven

[ancient depot]

I wonder what I should do for a player model

[long anchor]

mmyes gimme gimme

[ancient depot]

lmao

[long anchor]

YES

[honest stag]

except it's a hat and a beard

[ancient depot]

I considered a capsule as a joke but it wouldn't stand out properly

[honest stag]

yeah i'd like to see the rotation of the model as a first glance tbh

also

can this be changed lol

or is this placeholder stuff

[ancient depot]

we... ship those currently?

oops

[honest stag]

👀

[ancient depot]

they're not loaded currently

[honest stag]

ah aight

[ancient depot]

and that fakedos thing is a placeholder

[gritty forge]

can you make your own ones?

[ancient depot]

which probably won't get used

in the future yes

[gritty forge]

pog

[ancient depot]

the plan is to have a trigger_movie

[gritty forge]

I really want to make those text end screens

[honest stag]

@long anchor

try it out

[ancient depot]

I think the fakedos video in there has different text too

[honest stag]

hold on i'll give the texture

[ancient depot]

.mdl should embed textures

[honest stag]

ah alright

[ancient depot]

assuming it found the textures when exporting

[honest stag]

oops i kinda just did it
lemme do it with the texture loaded into noesis

[ancient depot]

you can use export from preview for that

should embed it that way I think

[honest stag]

@long anchor

file size didnt change lol

i guess it was with it before

[long anchor]

yooo nice

thanks vriskaman

[honest stag]

ya

first proper fgd with dusk models incoming?

woah we have the gun models too

[ancient depot]

as obj yeah

[long anchor]

wait what

[honest stag]

eh not too big of a deal to import-export that stuff

[ancient depot]

dark claw too even though you can't spawn it

[foggy creek]

what's dark claw?

[ancient depot]

a cut weapon

[honest stag]

yeah remember back when the model update came out i asked zomb for gun models

[long anchor]

alright alright the moment of truth

[honest stag]

still have those

[long anchor]

...it didn't work

oh right

prob quake models are overwriting this shit

oh

now it works but uhhhh

[honest stag]

lemme guess

rotated wrong

[long anchor]

vriska remember the first time you tried bringing custom models? and that vacuum cleaner was gigantic?

[honest stag]

ya

is it too big

[long anchor]

it's kinda same but mage is super small

[honest stag]

lmao show it

[ancient depot]

you will need to scale it up by 32x

to match the scale factor used by dusk

[long anchor]

oh also mage has no textures

oooh

[ancient depot]

noesis can do that if you put -scale 32 32 32 in the options when exporting

[honest stag]

aight im guessing noesis cant do that so blender time?

ah

[long anchor]

i think i need to include texture in pak file too right?

[honest stag]

zom said they are included and i did export from preview while also having the texture

so i dunno

[ancient depot]

maybe noesis doesnt do it lol

[honest stag]

it should though

cuz i used...

[honest stag]

wait no i used blender to export as mdl that's right

and that had the texture

[ancient depot]

tiny mage

[honest stag]

ʰᵉʳᵉᵗᶦᶜ

ᵇˡᵒᵒᵈ

ᵏᶦˡˡ ʰᶦᵐ

[long anchor]

small john

[honest stag]

hmmmm

odd

says it's fetching no textures but i include iot

it*

try it

this is the scaled version

[long anchor]

same size tho

[honest stag]

yeah but im testing the scale

not the texture

[long anchor]

ah okay

[foggy creek]

For some reason when I place a red mage in my level it's the same size as a regular mage is there a way to edit the scale in trenchbroom?

[honest stag]

wait waaa really?

[foggy creek]

yeah 1 sec

[honest stag]

oh wait in-editor

oops

i thought you were talking about in-game

[foggy creek]

it's also the same size in game

[long anchor]

TURN BACK

[honest stag]

o_o

hahahah holy shit

alright it's not x32

uh x8?

lemme try

[foggy creek]

Smol red mage

how

[long anchor]

maybe it is in fact x32 but it's just fgd's size numbers

well

[ancient depot]

@foggy creek lmao wtf

[foggy creek]

I have no idea why

[ancient depot]

I think that may have been an oversight

[long anchor]

hold on aren't they the same size as regular ones?

[ancient depot]

I'll look into it

[honest stag]

yeah i could swear they are bigger

[ancient depot]

no they're meant to be like 2x as big

[foggy creek]

red mages are bigger

[long anchor]

never noticed lol

[honest stag]

same

[foggy creek]

might be because I using a fgd

idk

[long anchor]

nah

[honest stag]

dont see why that would change it

[long anchor]

fgd is just for an editor

[ancient depot]

yeah it shouldn't affect it

[honest stag]

try it

[ancient depot]

the game had all sorts of weird scaling stuff when I was adding custom models

I might have accidentally messed up alpha mages in the process of tidying that up

[foggy creek]

Also are some of the missing textures being added in the next patch?

[honest stag]

missing textures???

like what

[foggy creek]

yeah

[ancient depot]

there shouldn't be any missing ones

[foggy creek]

1 sec

[ancient depot]

there are missing sounds though

[honest stag]

if they're in your map then you might have not included the texture wads and palette files???

file*

[ancient depot]

I've been considering reorganizing all of the textures by episode instead of the big mess it is currently, but I need to make a mod updater first

[long anchor]

we're almost there man

[ancient depot]

so it doesnt break retexture mods

[honest stag]

lmao alright

16x

[alpine depot]

baby mage :DDDDD

[long anchor]

hold on i'll try to mess around with fgd numbers

[honest stag]

x16

[foggy creek]

I can't find the blue riveted metal texture in any of the wads.

[long anchor]

the one used for colored doors?

[foggy creek]

no the one in the ss

[honest stag]

if i can make the texture properly included then let's port all the models into the fgd

i probably will somehow

[long anchor]

i think we need double

try 18x

[honest stag]

aight

also try this

this is still 16x but it may have the texture

[long anchor]

i does have

it's almost double the size

[honest stag]

hopefully

actually

i might have made it too big again

but try it

[ancient depot]

if it's not in the wad that doesnt mean it's missing

the textures are in mnt/local/dusk/textures

[long anchor]

pog it works

[ancient depot]

most of the wads are community made

[foggy creek]

I also checked there

[honest stag]

nice
lemme drop the x18 with texture

[ancient depot]

and the only ones we've put out are temporary

I can double check but it should be in there

[honest stag]

demoman's sticky bomb?

[long anchor]

still too small

[honest stag]

or BONEBALL

[long anchor]

hmm

[honest stag]

hmmm
alright hour about 22

[alpine depot]

25x

bet

[honest stag]

aight bet taken

[long anchor]

maybe that time instead of 32 you did 322 or something?

[alpine depot]

They call me Bet Man for a reason

[honest stag]

nah couldnt have

[ancient depot]

@foggy creek which map is that shot of

[honest stag]

i copied zomb's message

[long anchor]

lol

[foggy creek]

E2M1

[honest stag]

fffuck

[ancient depot]

32 is the scale dusk uses so maybe something went wrong during the export, who knows at this point lol

[honest stag]

it's fbx

sorry

you know i'll try 32x again

i hope you're not trying to shove that fbx file into trenchbroom

[long anchor]

nnah

[honest stag]

sorry it's the default format for export lol

also the texture just needed to be placed in the same spot as the model

yea that's the fix

[still raptor]

Oh you guys started on this finally

[honest stag]

lmao i guess so

[still raptor]

Took longer than expected

[alpine depot]

once the scale gets figured out it ought to be smooth sailing

[honest stag]

yeah

[ancient depot]

@foggy creek textures/control_panel2.png

[alpine depot]

tho for the texture shit idk lol

[honest stag]

nah we got it

it works

[alpine depot]

oh sick

hope the rotation isn't inverted or something lol

[long anchor]

B E H O L D

[alpine depot]

like, it faces the opposite way of the arrow-

yooooO\

YOOOOO

[honest stag]

noice so it WAS 32x

[alpine depot]

my 25x bet lost 😔

[ancient depot]

so how did the previous 32x attempt get so huge lol

[long anchor]

tho his legs are bit buried underground

[foggy creek]

oh shit it is that texture

thanks

[honest stag]

i have no clue lol

he doesnt have legs tho

doesnt he

[still raptor]

The work to align every model and bounding box to the correct scale is very tedious so I understand why nobody wanted to tackle it

[alpine depot]

it's fine as a preview

[honest stag]

alright now

[alpine depot]

since the enemies would likely get pushed up/fall down to the ground when spawned

[honest stag]

i'll just export all the models and put them in a zip file

[ancient depot]

and thus the reason I'm opting to automate everything is revealed lol

[alpine depot]

with such a small unit difference etc

[long anchor]

i think i can do some offset in fgd

[honest stag]

alright time to get to work

[still raptor]

Yeah I had started doing one manually ages ago, but got about 6 models in and stopped

[honest stag]

we'll probably finish it quicker since there's 2 of us

i export he import

[foggy creek]

After making the fgd next thing is to update the dev wiki... time to learn how to make good wiki articles.

[alpine depot]

The Power of the Beer Books Gang™️

[ancient depot]

There's some more formal documentation in the works to replace the current dev wiki
That documentation will then later be copied onto the wiki probably

[honest stag]

the weapon models will have to be done a bit differently since i just have the .obj but i'll just export as iqm through blender

[still raptor]

I was heavily focused on accuracy for it, so placement and offset (no being pushed up or falling down) was very important to me

[long anchor]

lmao yeah

[alpine depot]

fully functional elevator 😎

just kidding but it has sounds and makes it FEEL like it orks

works*

[foggy creek]

witchcraft.

[alpine depot]

multi_managers are heaven

[long anchor]

YOOO DOCUMENTATION

[alpine depot]

OOH i had a very weird idea for stuff

[honest stag]

wooooah niceee

[alpine depot]

what if we could load different mod folders for each level

so model replacements work differently for two levels

[ancient depot]

That would be extremely complicated, but I've considered similar ideas

[alpine depot]

say, shrek becomes the welder in level1 and then he's big chungus in the next

[ancient depot]

Basically letting you specify additional mounts per map

[alpine depot]

we could specify it via worldspawn with like a modfolder key-value

[ancient depot]

It would be detached from the map itself

[alpine depot]

oh i think i'm beginning to see the issue

[ancient depot]

It'd be more like an external mapname.cfg file

[alpine depot]

ooh right

[ancient depot]

Like how .lit and .ent files work currently

[honest stag]

uhhhh is there no cartdog model?

[ancient depot]

Nope, because Cartdog is unfortunately like, the most complex to export model in the game

[honest stag]

ah alright guess we'll do without it for now

...i could make a bootleg

lol

[ancient depot]

I think I have an animation-less export of it somewhere?

[honest stag]

since it;s just for the fgd

[ancient depot]

let me look

It'll probably be scaled wrong though

[still raptor]

God the cartdog model is annoying

[ancient depot]

leatherneck, cartdog and turret

[still raptor]

That's the reason he only takes one color in duskworld

[honest stag]

oh wow there';s no leatherneck?

damn

[ancient depot]

Yeah, Leatherneck is also super complex

Because it has a different skeletal hierarchy for its death animation

[long anchor]

maybe i'm an idiot but it seems fgds offset setting doesn't affect how it appears in editor

or it does affect it but i use numbers so small i don't see it

[honest stag]

"the experiment is a terrifying creation of immense power, i wonder what it's named"

[alpine depot]

"friendship"

[long anchor]

to be fair we always refer to it as "horse"

[honest stag]

yo do we have differnt enemy spawns for small and big experiment?

i never checked

why are there 2 models for intoxigator_baby and intoxigator_son

[ancient depot]

monster_experiment and monster_experiment_failed

and there's a bunch of different intoxigator objects internally and I think I just gave them all external mappings

the models are probably identical aside from scale

[honest stag]

almost done

[long anchor]

how do you think is this fine

or should i snap it to 16 grid

[honest stag]

uhhh well

dusk enemies arent 16 grid tho right

[long anchor]

?

[ancient depot]

the bbox for the mage is 1.8 x 2.988 x 1.8

With its center at 0, 0.018, 0

(in Unity units, so multiply by 32)

[long anchor]

hmm

[honest stag]

those are all the ones that were in the iqm format already

[long anchor]

what's this

[honest stag]

i'll go do the .obj stuff

[ancient depot]

That's also in the Unity coordinate system, so you need to swap the coords around for Quake

[honest stag]

it's the mdl models that i just exported

[long anchor]

oh

[ancient depot]

Unity to Quake (for a scale/size) is z, x, y

[honest stag]

i'll go fuck with the .obj stuff now

[long anchor]

yeah i figured, quake uses z-

yea

[ancient depot]

For a position it's -y, z, x

er, z, -x, y

-y, z, x is Quake to Unity

[honest stag]

jesus

[foggy creek]

Very important.

[long anchor]

lol

anyway

I JUST REALIZED

[honest stag]

uhhh why isnt blender opening :)

[long anchor]

WE CAN FINALLY HAVE FGD WITH ENEMY MODELS

[ancient depot]

the most important texture is bone_ball_projectile

[honest stag]

that's uh
i thought that's what this was about lol

us making a proper fgd

[long anchor]

yeah exactly

[foggy creek]

but they shoot skulls

[long anchor]

thanks for the mdl files man

i'll work on updated fgd a bit later tho

[ancient depot]

Yeah I don't think that texture is used

[long anchor]

i'll start in 5 hours or so

[honest stag]

i still have to add the remaining shit anyway so no rush

[long anchor]

👍

and after that the only thing that remains is wad with all the textures

i failed once, now i know how to do it

tho we can't have absolutely the same textures as in campaign cause working with transparent pixels is pain

i remember zom said something about

that wad3 supports this stuff?

i don't remember

[honest stag]

hmmmm unsure if that's what the top part should look like

[ancient depot]

WAD3 supports per-texture palettes

So you can reduce color loss

[honest stag]

are the uv maps screwed?

[ancient depot]

They look flipped

[honest stag]

ah probs

i completely forgot how to manipulate textures in blender
ah what was it again

gimme a moment

[long anchor]

#dusk-modding message

found it

[foggy creek]

Is there anyway to get around monsters not going past a closed door once it's opened?

I dusk uses nav meshes but that's all I know

[long anchor]

i think no

[ancient depot]

god the copy of the dusk folder in my dev directory is a mess

the textures folder is even worse because it's full of auto generated test stuff

[honest stag]

nice counter stike maps

[ancient depot]

yeah it just has a shitload of wads shoved in lol

[alpine depot]

cs_bdog

-b-b-butter dog?!

[foggy creek]

it's De_train I think

it's just under a different name

[ancient depot]

I think numod is a folder with all models replaced with half life barney

[foggy creek]

Barney dusk mod when

[alpine depot]

how can i make this look like bootleg cyberpunk 2077

more metal?

more DIRTY??!?!

[foggy creek]

Colored neon lights

[high magnet]

More tech

[alpine depot]

oh wait i know i'll make the game crash if the bsp exceeds 8mb

[ancient depot]

lmao

[foggy creek]

I can give you Vrad for coloured lighting

[alpine depot]

nah i already have colored lighting

[high magnet]

Captivating story while funny glitches are happening

[alpine depot]

which is why it's ORANG

[foggy creek]

oh ok

[alpine depot]

orang,.....

[high magnet]

Utan

[alpine depot]

yes

[high magnet]

🦧

[honest stag]

fixed it

[alpine depot]

maybe more pipes and wires i guess

yoooo sick

very shiny at the top tho 😳

[foggy creek]

shiny turret

[honest stag]

ah that's just the viewport

blender and it's shinyness

[high magnet]

Bruh

[alpine depot]

i have some wires here

maybe i need MORE

[high magnet]

Turret do be looking polished 😳

[foggy creek]

also it's blurred HERETIC

[alpine depot]

ok fuck it where do i find the goddamn

doom3 wad

[ancient depot]

I hope they aren't just doom 3 diffuse textures

[foggy creek]

https://www.quaddicted.com/files/wads/ all the WADS

[alpine depot]

THERE'S THE WEBSITE

i was looking at some sketchy wad-textures.org or something

[ancient depot]

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=54839 I recommend these

[foggy creek]

click on the .jpg files to see a preview

[ancient depot]

someone went through the effort to render them out properly for use as flat textures

[alpine depot]

fuck

oh wait

they're jpgs

lol

im stupid

[foggy creek]

they are previews

the actual wads are there

[alpine depot]

ye i see them now

yoooo mcity is THE one

[foggy creek]

also it has blood wads Imma remake the funeral house some day.

[alpine depot]

now i gotta start staring at the gameplay trailers for cp2077 because im not starting a new playthrough just for the prologue mission lmao

[foggy creek]

you doing the scavenger mission?

[alpine depot]

yup

[honest stag]

it seems as if i cant export the turet model as iqm

[alpine depot]

except now it's MEAT CULT

meat bathtubs

[honest stag]

got i remember there was some quirk to the process

but i forget what

[ancient depot]

gltf should work

[foggy creek]

if you wanna get it accurate I remember it having alot of green lighting

also

[alpine depot]

it's also very bright near the windows

and currently the level is just

orange

and dark

[foggy creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raDJTzGybj4 kinda like in this video

[honest stag]

the thing aint exporting wtf

[foggy creek]

also it's the song in that area

[alpine depot]

ye

cool song

[honest stag]

uhhhh not sure what im doing wrong
i've done this process already

[alpine depot]

i dont think i heard it in-game lmao

or i heard the stealth mix

and that was it

[foggy creek]

it plays on the radio as you go through the apartment like diagetic music or whatever

what ever you call it

[alpine depot]

ah jesus christ im watching the gameplay for it now

time to remake the entire map 😎

[honest stag]

IM SORRY NOESIS

PLEASE STOP SHOUTING

[ancient depot]

LOL

[foggy creek]

It's not a long dungeon so shouldn't take long

still the balcony part will be cool

[long anchor]

LOLWAT

[honest stag]

uhh so what i did was

[long anchor]

i love when people leave messages like this

[honest stag]

i couldnt export as iqm so i just went ahead and used the blender .mdl exporter

but wtf

the file is smaller than most others though

alright maybe i'll just skip blender entirely then? 1 moment

yo veven if you're not bust

busy*

could you test the model

[long anchor]

kay

[alpine depot]

watching the gameplay trailer is making me sad now :(

[honest stag]

see if that does it

[foggy creek]

Watch a yt livestream probs gives you better chances to look at stuff.

[alpine depot]

no i mean like

the actual game is underwhelming in comparison

like i know e3 stuff is much better than the actual product but this

[foggy creek]

yeah hype does that

[alpine depot]

cringe corporate overlords

man it's ironic

[foggy creek]

they probs gonna silently get rid of the old gen versions

[long anchor]

it's big and flipped

[honest stag]

can fix that

1 moment

try now

[long anchor]

it's small and faced in wrong direction

[honest stag]

hmmm alright 1 moment

give it a shot

[long anchor]

direction is okay but it's still tiny

[honest stag]

i think i forgot to scale lol

1 moment

scaled

[long anchor]

too big

[honest stag]

dang alright

x16 too big

x8 time

[foggy creek]

Is there any way in trenchbroom to make it so that faces at an angle don't look any different to faces that aren't at an angle?

[honest stag]

anotha one

[honest stag]

wdym

[foggy creek]

1 sec

[long anchor]

i'm not sure exactly what you mean but if it's like here then there's a button to reset texture scales n' stuff

[foggy creek]

this is how it looks in jack

[long anchor]

i'm pretty sure it's fine now

oh it's jack

shit sorry

i still think most people use TB

[honest stag]

eyyy alright now i can export the rest of the models

[long anchor]

sorry sorry

[honest stag]

man that was kind of a pain but now i know what to do

ok wow the leatherneck model is

tiny?

why is it so small lol

compared to the turret at least

[ancient depot]

yeah like I said the scales on them are probably way off lol

it might be scaled down by 32x

[honest stag]

aight we'll figure it out

[foggy creek]

This is how it looks in trenchbroom and for some reason the face takes up more of the texture

[honest stag]

nice dark theme

[foggy creek]

because it's at an angle

[honest stag]

wish i had it

[ancient depot]

JACK uses Valve220 format .map files right

They have more texture alignment options that TB doesn't read, afaik

[foggy creek]

bruh so all faces at angles in TB use more of the texture.

[ancient depot]

Actually it looks like Valve format has been supported for a while

[honest stag]

@long anchor

[ancient depot]

You might just have to opt into it

[foggy creek]

I have it set as valve

[honest stag]

tell me if you're busy and i'll just keep exporting the rest instead of sending you each one

[ancient depot]

Dunno then, could be a bug in TB when reading valve format

https://github.com/TrenchBroom/TrenchBroom/issues/3640

[long anchor]

argh i just closed everything and started preparing to-

[ancient depot]

possibly related

[long anchor]

vriska i'll check it out later okay

[honest stag]

dont worry mate i'll just keep exportin for now

[long anchor]

👍

[foggy creek]

Also when having a open area what texture do you use to plug up any leaks but also still have a sky?

[alpine depot]

i just use a random sky texture so i know i'm looking at a skybox

[honest stag]

sky

they are transparent in-game

[foggy creek]

oh ok thanks

[ancient depot]

Any texture that begins with sky should work

I'm actually not a fan of how Quake/GoldSrc/etc hardcodes functionality based on texture name

But we have to do it for compatibility so

[honest stag]

eh could be worse

[ancient depot]

Just annoying because it basically means you can't use a texture with a name starting with sky for any other purpose

[alpine depot]

yeah lol

ran into that issue with one of my wads

named something skybabel

and it was a skybox

took longer than i'd like to admit to figure it out lmao

[ancient depot]

I think it's worth adding a worldspawn option to disable that behaviour

and then a way to opt into it for specific brushes

[honest stag]

ah i cant find the place where i put the dusk guns
should be aroun tho

[alpine depot]

gamer time 😎

[honest stag]

ah thanks that saves time

[alpine depot]

oh whats weird is that every FGD i have doesn't have the pistol box entity

only the clip ammo type

[ancient depot]

This?

[honest stag]

found the folder while extracting the weapons lmao
i was looking for a folder to extract to and saw "dusk guns"

[alpine depot]

yeah that exactly

[ancient depot]

Should be pickup_bullet_box

[alpine depot]

well this fgd SUCKS

every entity except ONE

[ancient depot]

I'm looking forward to when this can be placed

and then like 50 maps use it

lmao

[alpine depot]

oh god

[honest stag]

it's the vape stick

[foggy creek]

Nyarlathotep's vape

[ancient depot]

I wonder what'll get used more, that or the chainsaw

[still raptor]

probably that

[foggy creek]

wait there's a useable chainsaw?

[honest stag]

my bet is on the amulet

[still raptor]

chainsaw is functionally just boring

[ancient depot]

The chainsaw is pretty lame so probably yeah

[alpine depot]

yooo i just had a sick idea for weapon replacements

mantis blades for sickles

[ancient depot]

wait there's a useable chainsaw?
These are weapons that got left on the cutting room floor

They're being restored for use in mods

[honest stag]

why is there

[alpine depot]

let's gooo

[honest stag]

A HAND FOR THE SICKLE MODEL

WHY

[alpine depot]

WHAT

HOW

[still raptor]

there are videos of the chainsaw in various places

[ancient depot]

That hand is uber jank lmao

[foggy creek]

If you're gonna go cyberpunk you need DUAL MATEBAS

[still raptor]

yeah theres hands

[alpine depot]

what are those lol

[still raptor]

theyre not good

[alpine depot]

whats a mateba

:(

[ancient depot]

They were only done as a test and didn't even get a texture before they got scrapped

[foggy creek]

Mataba is a cyberpunk looking revolver

[alpine depot]

oh sick

[ancient depot]

They actually still exist in the game and can be enabled by editing the dll

[honest stag]

wooooow damn

[foggy creek]

used in ghost in the shell

[ancient depot]

And will appear when using the sickles

[alpine depot]

i'd make a revolver the rifle replacement

[tall zenith]

please tell me you're not doing what I think you are vriska

[honest stag]

that's some deep lore

fgd

[alpine depot]

vriska making hdusk finally

[foggy creek]

just replace the rifle with the UT99 one that looks pretty cyberpunk tbh

[ancient depot]

Now what I'm most curious about, is how often the ||Meat Lass|| will get used

My forced meme will finally give birth to more than shitposts

[tall zenith]

[foggy creek]

what about the cut stick thingy?

[ancient depot]

That's the Dark Claw

[foggy creek]

oh

[ancient depot]

Basically a plasma rifle equivalent

[alpine depot]

meat lass????

l-lass 😳

[still raptor]

we should also restore the weapon enhancement totam

[alpine depot]

dusk gamer girls finally

[ancient depot]

smh all these new people not aware of the ancient dusk cut content lore

[honest stag]

MAMMA MIA DUSK PIZZA

[alpine depot]

lol

[ancient depot]

did the weapon enhancement totem even do anything other than break shit and increase damage?

I forget

[still raptor]

on some weapons it sliiightly changes functionality

[ancient depot]

it also doesn't have a model

[foggy creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuqT9St5otM&t=123s I will remake the cursed astolfo plush in doom mark my words.

[ancient depot]

it just spawns as a stimpack

low poly astolfo plush model

[foggy creek]

yes

[honest stag]

oh wait i dont need to export the sicke model wtf am i doing

[ancient depot]

here's the meat lass

[alpine depot]

ooh could you implement removing weapons with trigger_hurt or something like that

[honest stag]

david sent an old build with a triangle amulet and a test level and a meat lass enemy in a tweet a while ago

[ancient depot]

Probably not with trigger_hurt because it doesn't make sense

[honest stag]

found that tweet only recently but i loved it

[alpine depot]

yeah idk just a trigger in general lol

[ancient depot]

Yeah I've got that build somewhere with a patch that enables all the other guns in it

Which includes the chainsaw

[honest stag]

the thing that could be used as a shotgun or an automatic gun depending on how you click is awesome

[ancient depot]

There's four builds we've put out publicly, not counting the ones in the goodies folder

[foggy creek]

Point_weaponstrip is a hl1 entity should work once dusk is fully compatible

[honest stag]

is "holster" a weapn slot?

[ancient depot]

nope

[honest stag]

aight

all the guns are all over the place with rotations ans scales

but it's fine

[ancient depot]

Yeah, that's part of the reason they're a bitch to export properly

because I need to normalize everything

[honest stag]

ye i can see why exactly now

aight all the guns and .obj enemies exported
now to wait for veven to test them all

yo

the shotgun texture aint working???

dunno

all the guns are loaded instantly with their texture since it's in the folder with them named the same as the model, and the shotgun is no exception but looks like this

[ancient depot]

loads for me (in noesis)

[honest stag]

huh
odd

fixed it

thank FUCK dusk models are so bad that i dont have to worry aobut vertex limits of mdl

[ancient depot]

lmao