dusk-modding

[gritty forge]

think it's missing more than that

[long anchor]

yeah

i tried making a wad with ALL textures, including both dusk.wad and dusk_transparent.wad, but i screwed up a little bit with transparent ones and failed miserably

#dusk-modding message

here

[crisp raven]

All we need is dusk transparent wad with that single missing pipe texture 😭

[foggy creek]

Quick question If I change these Cross-hair images would it change the actual cross-hair in game?

[drowsy dirge]

why is there an S

[foggy creek]

the cigar

[gritty forge]

In the .wad? no

[foggy creek]

okay thanks

[gritty forge]

Maybe you can if you can find it in the texture folder

[foggy creek]

I should be able to

[gritty forge]

o

im rat now

looks nice

map is very dark

but

works in game

might make it a bit lighter though

[crimson patrol]

Looks amazing

[gritty forge]

amazing is a strong word but thanks

trying my best with this town style

:)

[honest stag]

i like how it looks, could really do with moire light

how about a blue-ish moonlight to set the scene?

[crimson patrol]

Yeah like a starry skybox

[gritty forge]

Yea I guess

I want it to have a very desolate and dead look though

that was kind of the mood I was going for

[modest imp]

Maybe you could add a subtle grey light, just barely enough to see silhouettes in the dark. Like there's a full moon behind a cloudy sky.

[gritty forge]

idk how to do that

or what you mean

specifically

[honest stag]

_sunlight or _sunlight2

actually both

[gritty forge]

ok

what do I write there

rgb values?

[honest stag]

_sunlight is the light value that is emitted by a sky brush at at angle which is determined by _sun_mangle and color which is determined by _sunlight_color

[gritty forge]

so what is sunlight 2

lol

[honest stag]

_sunlight2 is like a ton of light entities in a sphere around the map, it's like ambient light used with _sunlight which helps since _sunlight by itself gives off completely black shadows

_sunlight2_color i think is the color key

see all the shadows? they would be 100% black without _sunlight2

i normally have _sunlight2 at roughly 1/2 of _sunlight

[still raptor]

lmao

is that from my laptop

[honest stag]

oh and _sun_mangle is Yaw pitch roll

yes

it actually is

[still raptor]

the low resolution and ACTIVATE WINDOWS tipped me off

i dont remember making that map but i probably did it to show off how to use lighting

[honest stag]

i specifically use that screenshot when showing off _sunlight2 which is what you used it for

i just saved it and it's kinda there now

[gritty forge]

so it's light the light key but

angled

not global

[honest stag]

and coming from a brush, not a point entity

or rather sky brushES

like quake has them

so unlike "light" it doesnt affect indoor areas

well unless you use a sky brush indoors but like

why

[gritty forge]

yea thats what I meant with angled

or rather

not global

or whatevs

just where the light could hit from the point it starts

[honest stag]

yeah

[crimson patrol]

i have made a ship

not finished though

will be part of an upcoming map

i need a texture with like barnacles on the bottom for immersion

[gritty forge]

cool beans

[gritty forge]

is there a way for me to make a moving kill trigger?

I need it for my subway monster

:p

when you touch it you're supposed to die

[crimson patrol]

Trigger hurts are in their very basic shape

The only thing they can do is hurt

Cant move, no jank workarounds

Isnt even affected by trigger once

What you can do is teleport explosive barrels into each other to make them explode

[gritty forge]

awh lame

[foggy creek]

Can't you just parent the Trigger_kill to a func_door or does dusk not support parenting?

[crimson patrol]

Maybe

I've never tried and zombie did say you can

[foggy creek]

or wait until Func_ rain support

[crimson patrol]

But idk what parenting is

[foggy creek]

It's a key value in a entity which specifies what it's tied to so for instance if you parent a Trigger_hurt to a Func_door it should move along with the door when the door is triggered.

[crimson patrol]

Never tried

[foggy creek]

I think it's only in GoldSrc but Dusk supports Hl1 BSPs

[crimson patrol]

I think you can do it with func plats aswell if you can parent

[foggy creek]

Is there anyway to change a texture when a button is pressed? like those switch textures.

[gritty forge]

This

If anyone finds out a way please ping both of us

Nothing says pain like pressing a button that stays on red & doesnt turn to green

[foggy creek]

Might have to wait until the full SDK.

idk

[drowsy dirge]

wdym "the full SDK"

[crisp raven]

To make buttons APPEAR to change textures you need a simple trick.
1)First make your button, make sure the "lip" is 0 and the "wait" is set to -1 (so it won't pop up again, this is optional)
2) Copy the button and make it structural again by right clicking on it. The option should be right in TB.
3) Make sure the copy is slightly thinner than the actual button and put it right on top of the button. This should make it positioned behind it.

If you do this, the result will be you press the button and it moves back behind the copy with the different texture and make it look like its the same button with a different texture. It's sort of like changing layer orders in photoshop

[foggy creek]

As far as I know Dusk is getting it's own level editor when the SDK is done

[drowsy dirge]

so we wont need to use trenchbroom?

[foggy creek]

yeah I think so

[honest stag]

wait what i thought that's not going to happen

[last talon]

no I dont think thats happening

more like trenchbroom is the official tool for it

why make a new editor when we already have two that work great

[gritty forge]

yeah trenchbroom works fine, i don't think sdk will get a dedicated level editor

[dire spoke]

You might be getting this confused with prodeus or something lol

[still raptor]

none of that is true yea, trenchbroom is our suggested editor

however you can use any toolchain that outputs bsp

so hammer, radiant, etc

[frail vine]

So I can use hammer to make DUSK maps?

[honest stag]

yes

[gritty forge]

yes but it will be painful, i think

[honest stag]

not really if you're comfortable with it

[long anchor]

^

[gritty forge]

suprised there's no moving kill triggers tbh :(

since we got those kinda things in the infernal machine or whatever its called

[still raptor]

i think you can do that actually

[gritty forge]

the hammery things that kill you

oh?

[still raptor]

but itd be really janky atm

[gritty forge]

better than none

[still raptor]

if you parented a damage trigger to a door or something you could do it in theory

i havent tested it

[gritty forge]

rn if you walk into my moving monster that looks way more dangerous than it is you just end up clipping through it lul

how do I do that

i want to link it to a moving wall essentially

but I made it a func_door

[honest stag]

why not make the monster itself a func_door?

[gritty forge]

I did

[honest stag]

ah
wait why can you clip through it? that's odd

[gritty forge]

some angles

[still raptor]

you set the parentname of the child you want to be the targetname of the parent

[gritty forge]

because it has angled "tentacles" that kinda mess with your position ig

but

will it trigger when I touch the wall?

or when the door/wall starts moving

because I only want it to kill you when you touch it

[still raptor]

so i forget what the name of a damage trigger is

[crimson patrol]

Func hurt

[still raptor]

but youd give it a parentname key , and that would be whatever the targetname of the door is

[gritty forge]

yes

but does it make the trigger move?

[honest stag]

trigger_hurt tho aint it

[gritty forge]

or what exactly does it do

[still raptor]

it should yes

[crimson patrol]

I used target and tragetname which might be why it didnt work

[gritty forge]

oh

I c

thats neat

[still raptor]

it might be fucked up though

[gritty forge]

so parentname on the door?

[crimson patrol]

Also fun fact func hurt doesnt hurt enemies

[gritty forge]

then targetname on the hurt trigger

[still raptor]

parentname on the trigger

[gritty forge]

o

[still raptor]

and the value you give it is the targetname of the door

[gritty forge]

a yea cause it targets the door

nvm

[still raptor]

theres some fucked up math with parenting so it might be well....fucked up

only way to know is try and see

[gritty forge]

can't be worse than it already is

[crimson patrol]

Try it with func plats too

[gritty forge]

better than entirely clipping through the monster lmfao

[crimson patrol]

Zombie said you can

I think

If that doesnt work, try with teleporters

[honest stag]

how exactly will teleporters help tho

[honest stag]

also

[crimson patrol]

I guess with telefragging

[honest stag]

how about putting a flat func_door in front of the monter to not clip through it

[crimson patrol]

If parenting doesn't work

[honest stag]

so the door moves in front without funky angles

[gritty forge]

well

the monster itself is flat

but it has like

tentacles on the sides

that can cause you to clip through

it will be solved decently though if it kills you when you touch it

[honest stag]

well put the flat func_door in from of em then

front*

invisible that is

[crimson patrol]

Try the parenting thing

[gritty forge]

yis

doing now

YES

IT WORKS

[honest stag]

oh wow

nice

[crimson patrol]

[gritty forge]

looks semi wonky since it still clips though you when you die

but

still much better

and it's like

[crimson patrol]

Yessss

[gritty forge]

not a huuuge deal ig

[crimson patrol]

Moving trigger hurts

I can make crushers now

[gritty forge]

:D

don't make too many though

:p

[crimson patrol]

I remember testing func hurt with vriska a few weeks ago

[gritty forge]

also

finished my physics test and english speech today

so

[crimson patrol]

[gritty forge]

finally got some free time

haha

still have math test next week

2 chapters that I've barely worked on for 1-2 months

hahaha

but

I'll be fine ;)

[honest stag]

so how exactly does parenting work? i cant find anything on quake wiki about it unless it's a half-life feature

[gritty forge]

I also spawned in nyarlathotep and now he's grunting in the background lul

[honest stag]

ah yeah found it on valve dev wiki

[crimson patrol]

Is it applicable in trenchbroom?

[gritty forge]

just "parentname" key on the kill trigger

[honest stag]

time to inject information directly into my brain

[gritty forge]

then targetname on the func door

yes

twenchbwoom

[crimson patrol]

Ooh yes

[honest stag]

oh wow this is really cool and could have actually helped a lot

had i known about it before that is

[gritty forge]

yes

[honest stag]

woow this opens up so many possibilites

[gritty forge]

thanks pts

[still raptor]

np

[honest stag]

yes thanks mr 500

[still raptor]

and yeah its not really a quake thing, and its not 100% really a half life thing all the way eithe rlol

it was a very quick janky add that we added the same patch when lightproxy was added iirc

[honest stag]

oh i recall it not working unless i set it up wrong that time

[still raptor]

and im 90% certain there are cases where it will fuck up

but if you can get it working for your purposes, its a very handy feature for dynamic stuff

[honest stag]

yeah it really does sound like its very useful

[still raptor]

you can kinda make a janky vehicles with it

if you get real creative

[honest stag]

already ahead of ya with func doors
but still that is really cool

unless you're talking detailed ones

with rotating wheels and stuff

[still raptor]

you can do quite a lot with it

[crimson patrol]

What can you do with func door rotating

Is it those doors that swing open instead of sliding sideways

[honest stag]

yeah

but it's difficult to use unless you use stuff like hammer or jack

[crimson patrol]

Trial and error it is

[honest stag]

lemme give the copypaste messsage real quick

func_door_rotating requires the actual door to be placed at XYZ 0 0 0, have an "origin" property which is set to coordinates of the place where you want the door to rotate around and have a "distance" property that decides how far the dolr goes
You can also add a "speed" property for obvious things

wait didnt i send it to you before

[crimson patrol]

Maybe

So does the origin have to be 0,0 or does it always have to placed there

[honest stag]

origin is the propety which is like a hinge point

you set it to XYZ of where you want the "hinge"

but the brush itself goes to 0.0.0

yeah doesnt make much sense does it

[crimson patrol]

Yea that's a solid h

[tepid python]

you can also download a existing map that already has func_door_rotating on it, to see how it works

[crimson patrol]

Oh yeah that map

[honest stag]

oh man i cant imagine how it looks like in-editor

[tepid python]

just a bunch of doors all stacked on eachother at 0,0

[honest stag]

figured

[gritty forge]

https://youtu.be/i7W8bzJUxBA

keys and general gameplay of the map not finished

just kinda showing what I've made so far

[crimson patrol]

Looks amazing!

Will the func door rotating jankiness be fixed?

[gritty forge]

thinking of adding elements of gore into the texturing of the map to make it look like the whole level is a living thing

(the monster in the subway)

[crimson patrol]

[honest stag]

that is actually sick as fuck

legit

seriously that is freakin awesome

[gritty forge]

what is

[honest stag]

the monster and the tunnel

[gritty forge]

^^

not sure if the level will end or continue for a bit after the tunnel part

the map is gonna be long

3 keys

and several houses you need to enter

et

c

so maybe just a level end when you get in the little staircase at the end

gonna make some outdoor kinda map later

then some catacomb map

not in that order obv

you can link maps right?

[honest stag]

yes

[gritty forge]

also

not sure if you guys have these issues

but like

when playing E1M2 for example

the door textures are broken

[honest stag]

yes

[gritty forge]

and

[honest stag]

dont do campaign while in sdk i'll tell ya that much

[gritty forge]

for me I get random flashes of black and weird colors on the screen occasionally

for a few milliseconds

[gritty forge]

also

anyone know of a way to make a brush you can't walk through but can shoot through?

I tried using a clip brush and an illusionary brush but the illusionary brush apparently eats your projectiles

not the enemies however

[dire spoke]

clip brushes by themself shouldnt eat projectiles

[gritty forge]

they dont have a texture though

I wanna add fences that block you from walking through but can be shot through

[crimson patrol]

I guess you could use a func illusionary with the fence texture and have a clip surface behind it

If func illusionsry does what the name says

[gritty forge]

Thats what i’ve done

but illusionary doesn’t allow you to shoot through it

[crimson patrol]

Wait what

Really

[gritty forge]

apparently

also

is there a skip texture equivalent for the dusk SDK?

that allows you to pass through and stuff

I want to use it for optimization and also to allow better speedrunning

so people can do OOB runs

[gritty forge]

god damn

ladders really are ballistic missile launchers

I love the atmospheric light from the candles in here

big kinda arena place

in the middle of an abandoned subway-esque part of a city

just decorated with candles and full of cultists

[tight fractal]

That’s poggers

[gritty forge]

:D

cant wait to start making like

medieval/runic temples and stuff

I love that kinda style

the quake sorta style

god I can't wait for sounds for doors and stuff and fog

;-;

[honest stag]

nicely done man

[honest stag]

pretty sure yes

skip textures are a compiler thing, not dusk

so normal skip textures should work just fine

[gritty forge]

is there a wad for just the regular like

skip, clip etc kinda things

[honest stag]

uhhh i think id1 might have it? im not sure

let me check

[alpine depot]

i have separate wads for clip and skip

they work just fine though

[gritty forge]

and it has only those?

[alpine depot]

i dont think the clip texture works but just make the brush as a brush entity of type func_clip

yeah only those but i dunno what others i have

i have a whole dev texture wad for doors, walls, floors, clip, trigger and water

one texture for wall and floor respectively though like in the source engine

[honest stag]

oh hey prototype.wad has em

[alpine depot]

skip textures dont effect much for performance it seems, i dunno- probably good practice for when we get vis

or if

lol

[gritty forge]

but it does let you walk through from the side that has the texture still?

cause that's really kinda what I want lol

just to make my maps more speedrun-able

[honest stag]

in my experience - sometimes

not always

is your devtex wad any different from ptototype.wad aqua?

[alpine depot]

probably

made all of the textures myself lol

in like 2 mins in ms paint

(paint.net but same thing, just ms paint on 'roids anyhow)

[honest stag]

mapping while in a class

cool

[gritty forge]

Can’t wait to make more maps for my mod

:3

Im thinking it will be a bit more all over the place unlike the real games chapters

[merry flare]

How do I run these mods?

[honest stag]

go into dusk-sdk-mnt-local and place the mod folder in there
then, in-game, select "modding" and click the black square next on the mod line to activate it
the click "apply"
if it's a custom map - go into "campaign" "custom level" and select the map you want

make sure to be on the sdk beta branch on steam

[merry flare]

shit yeah ik I was dumb

[frail vine]

Is there a tutorial on how to make Quake/DUSK maps on Valve Hammer editor?

[honest stag]

same as you would normally make them
there is a list of all supported triggers/entities in the pinned messages

there are some underwater stones but it's best to address them when they become a problem

other than that - just make the map as you normally would

with the entity list in mind ofc

[frail vine]

Does it work if you only have TF2 installed?

[honest stag]

i dont think source bsp and goldsource bsp are the same

[ancient depot]

yeah, they're not even remotely similar

GoldSrc is identical to Quake BSP with the exception that it has RGB24 lightmaps and can store palettes for individual textures

Source is like a mishmash of Quake 2 & Quake 3 BSP with a ton of customizations

[gritty forge]

cant find this texture

anyone know the name of it?

the ground texture

[honest stag]

i dont think i ever saw this one

[high magnet]

It's black sand

[gritty forge]

ooh

how is it so brown?

[high magnet]

The lighting?...

[gritty forge]

fair enough

looks like it has a colour attached to the texture though

[high magnet]

I mean maybe?

The grass in some E1 levels has a green tint

And the blood in E3M7 is red tinted water

Probably a Unity Probuilder thing

[gritty forge]

hmm

im struggling with the sun mangle things

and coloured sunlight

wont work for me

[honest stag]

may i see the properties

[gritty forge]

just testing out the values atm

but nothing shows

[honest stag]

question
is your sky brush in negative or positive Y axis?

actually shit that shouldnt matter

hm

seems like it should work just fine
what exactly seems to be the problem? light from the sky brush doesnt go at an angle?

[gritty forge]

there's no light

[honest stag]

ah
is your map sealed?

[gritty forge]

with skybox brushes?

o

nop

thought that wasn't neccessary

[honest stag]

in some of my maps it worked regardless, but i managed to fix a similar sunlight problem for another guy by sealing the map

[gritty forge]

this seems to have solved it

thanks mate

[honest stag]

np

[crimson patrol]

Hold on dusk was made with the unity edition that costs like $1800 ?

[gritty forge]

I had a great idea for a map

gonna start on it now

[crimson patrol]

Ooh what is the idea

[gritty forge]

really bad concept art

but

a diabolical city sorta map

[crimson patrol]

Looks nice

Would that be a single level, or a map pack?

[gritty forge]

well that pic is concept art for one map

but I wanna make multiple maps as a pack

includign my city level and more

[crimson patrol]

Cool!

[long anchor]

much better than my arts

[gritty forge]

lul

I just wanted to properly capture the sort of look/feel I wanted from the map

cause I have a hard time starting if I don't do this

tbh

[long anchor]

a bit of lower 2

[gritty forge]

at least for more advanced and abstract levels like this

haha

as long as you can benefit from it

[long anchor]

yeah true

that's how lower 1 was made too!

[gritty forge]

taking deep inspiration from this

[long anchor]

if you played lower you can see that it's somewhat accurate

[gritty forge]

map is looking nice though :)

[long anchor]

thanks

i still have no idea how first ever map turned out to be good looking

[gritty forge]

yea

[long anchor]

zoms black magic

[gritty forge]

I started my first relatively recently

this is my second map in work

[long anchor]

this looks cool

[gritty forge]

just started like 2 hours ago

[long anchor]

oh this looks nice too

i like this uhhh

idk how to call it, outline?

[gritty forge]

yea it adds some character

[long anchor]

and the windows

[gritty forge]

gonna make it so you spawn far away on a floating island

then you have to like

cross chains connecting them

[long anchor]

chains!

love em

[gritty forge]

then there'll be arches holding up houses and stuff on the islands

xen?

[long anchor]

entire half life remade in dusk to fit it's style

[gritty forge]

that'd be pog

:)

and this is the loop I made for the map

[honest stag]

i have pinging on for messages in this channel and woke up because of it at 7 am

cuz i thought someone was spamming me down as if it was urgent

[gritty forge]

lol

im so fucking excited to start on this map lol

I just need to get the islands done well

that'll be the hardest for me

structures are easy but making like, organic things is super hard for me and especially in a somewhat primitive editor like trenchbroom

[crimson patrol]

Make like chains hang down from the islands connecting them

And you can walk on em like that chain in the DS2 dlc

[long anchor]

Tfw 4:40 am

Time to hit the bed i guess

[alpine depot]

yooo that building looks so cool

[gritty forge]

you think? :D

[alpine depot]

hell yeah my dude

love the lighting on it

[gritty forge]

yay

[alpine depot]

so much RED but it works well lol

looks spooky

[gritty forge]

Im still not fully done with it

there's lots of detailing left

[alpine depot]

can't wait to see the final product lol

[gritty forge]

tried adding some spiky bois in the frame

[gritty forge]

Damn!

[near wedge]

looking good, i like what you're going for

though it's worlds different in style and structure from your project, mentioning Dis reminded me of the one from wayne barlowes inferno

https://i1.wp.com/waynebarlowe.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/barlowe_beelzebubs-keep.jpg

[gritty forge]

im not going for an actual replication of Dis

[near wedge]

oh no i get that

[gritty forge]

just allowing myself to be creative ig

[gritty forge]

how does the angles key work exactly

you have three values but what does each one do

like what axis are they

[honest stag]

for entites?

i forgot what exactly has "angles"

i know "angle" tho?

also that building you made reminds me of a cathedral i made and never used

[honest stag]

ey nice

felt a bit of a crimbo mood recently and started work on a short crimbo-themed map

[gritty forge]

Merry Duskmas

[honest stag]

it's nice to have a backlog of maps
i can just steal assets from myself all the time and slightly adjust them to fit the map nicely

i need truck/tank models? good cuzi made both of those already

mountains? made a bunch

just saves to much time

[gritty forge]

aghh

making these chains was a paiiinn

[honest stag]

aw i could have given you some pre-made chains i had from months ago

huge ones like that

[gritty forge]

meh

was fun to put it together

[honest stag]

eyyyy looks great

[alpine depot]

holy shit

[gritty forge]

:3

gonna add more like

beams and shit to the side buildings

to make it look like a city in construction

[honest stag]

who would have thought that making christmas lights would be such a pain in the ass

just getting the correct light settings was a pain and im still adjusting

oh hey i decreased the number of lights and it's instantly better looking

cozy

[gritty forge]

:)

[modest imp]

Hold up, is that rope a bunch of brushes?

[honest stag]

maybe

not a lot, like 5-6

[modest imp]

You could do that in one with a transparent texture. Dusk supports that, right?

[honest stag]

i dont think i really want to bother with making one

it was easier to slap some brushes

[modest imp]

Five or ten minutes in an image editor, five more to throw it into a WAD file. Might be worth the hassle.

Would save on geometry. Would look nicer.

[honest stag]

well this took me 2 minutes

[modest imp]

To each their own, I suppose.

[honest stag]

eh you dont see it up close anyway and the map itself is small enough where i dont need to worry about geometry

[honest stag]

nice mang

[gritty forge]

I love the arches as the base for the buildings

[high magnet]

I can feel the doom 1 hell intermission screen inspiration

[gritty forge]

actually no

haven't seen that

as I haven't played doom

1

:O

[honest stag]

o_o

what the fuck

[gritty forge]

yea I should get around to that

[honest stag]

doom 1 is like short as hell go play it

[gritty forge]

I did play quake 1 and 2

some of my fav games for singleplayer

though 1 is better

[gritty forge]

is it possible to add an end message screen like in the end of each chapter?

probably not

would be cool to have one after each of my levels imo

to add lore

[foggy creek]

Do custom sounds need to be a FLAC audio file?

[gritty forge]

like music?

I think the base game uses .ogg

at least for music

but im pretty sure flac works too

[foggy creek]

all the sound effects in the Dusk folders are Flac

but I'm not sure if I can use Mp3

[crimson patrol]

You could do it like veven, where you have a few trigger ones with messages

[foggy creek]

I'm not sure that would work as I'm trying to replace some sound effects

[crimson patrol]

I meant for skade

[crimson patrol]

Map coming along nicely!

[gritty forge]

ya

c:

also

how do I get enemies to teleport in?

is it the same as in quake

with teleport closets and shit?

cause thats lame

[crimson patrol]

Yeah teleport closets

[gritty forge]

fuc

I wish they’d add a key for entities that acts like a targetname and when its targeted it just spawns in the entity and prior to it being targeted it’s not there but shows up on the total enemies screen only.

[crimson patrol]

Why are monster closets bad?

[gritty forge]

tedious to make, feel clonky idk

I don’t like them

feels too manual

@alpine depot also I played your map downtown showdown, great great work even though it shits on my pc with a 2070 RTX

[crimson patrol]

You should see shadow of strelok lol

It couldn't even load on my laptop

[alpine depot]

oh god even with a 2070

[gritty forge]

I’d love to see a performance version with a bit less advanced shapes

[alpine depot]

yeah i'll try to do that in the future, but like, the most i can do right now is manually remove some faces

just slap a shitload of skip textures everywhere lol

[gritty forge]

for a map of that kinda complexity you’re gonna want to really optimize by adding skip textures and remove anything that isn’t visible to the player and probably even a bit more

[crimson patrol]

How big was that map again?

[gritty forge]

Took me 20 min

lol

but I did explore a bit I guess?

[alpine depot]

yeah it's probably the biggest map aside from my map jam entry

GO BIG OR GO HOME

[crimson patrol]

Oh god that map

[alpine depot]

current map should have no problems at all for performance though it's a lot more compact

and a lot more... vertical.

[gritty forge]

Played on accessible since custom maps are a give or take in difficulty so I just take it so I can actually experience the map itself

[crimson patrol]

Accessible

[alpine depot]

yeah i tested it on i can take it instead of cero miedo

[crimson patrol]

[alpine depot]

so it's probably really tough on that

every other map i've tested with CM except DS

i dunno why lol

[gritty forge]

Well have it known i selected accessible since I was more interested in the map than fighting enemies and because I had like sub 60 frames at most times

[crimson patrol]

[gritty forge]

I really loved the funko pops and the map sceneries in the museum

I was like ”wait, that’s the erebus reactor map”

[alpine depot]

yup lol i threw in a bunch of easter eggs

[gritty forge]

I’m a sucker for that too

If I made a game it’d probably have too many secrets for its own good

I’m just hoping my map wont end up having so many vertexes that it kills the framerate

[crimson patrol]

Vertexes

[alpine depot]

ctrl + shift +alt + v 😎

or is it just ctrl + shift + v

one of them's for snapping to an integer

[crimson patrol]

Tr*ns rights forever keeps posting so many good maps

Latest one is awesome

[gritty forge]

why is tr*ns a word that gets deleted

I guess it's a touchy subject but like

[sharp trail]

@gritty forge that look so awesom omg. Are you going to add more islands?

[gritty forge]

I am right now

[crimson patrol]

Islande

Seriously that looks really cool!

How will you get between islands?

[gritty forge]

probably using the chains or through teleporters and / or launch pads

added some candles

looks a bit weird from a distance

but close up it looks cool

might remove them idk

does anyone know how to hollow out something

I think there's a tool for it

I usually just use the cut tool or whatever its called but this shape is a bit tricky

[foggy creek]

I don't think there is in trenchbroom but there is in JACK but that's for hl mapping.

still you can use JACK to make stuff that works in trenchbroom

[gritty forge]

do you guys think I should make it so that the end of the level is when you enter the gates of the cathedral? I think it would be cooler and easier then to hollow out the entire thing

then I could make the cathedral interior its own level

and make it impossibly big on the inside (like the tardis kinda)

[sharp trail]

yes

[gritty forge]

I'd make the ending just like the E1 where you walk into the dark and the level ends

[sharp trail]

it's gonna make the level load faster. I love levels with a bunch of brushes but it makes them load for a long time

[gritty forge]

I think it'll make a better mod overall

[gritty forge]

Damn I wish there was support for the gravity flip things in the SDK

Would be sick for the map

[still raptor]

Has anyone used the grapple points in a map yet?

[gritty forge]

Oh wait

they do exist?

Or do you mean the climbing thingies?

I intend on using those for secrets mostly

[still raptor]

Grapples

[gritty forge]

Whats that

:p

[long anchor]

I want to in lower 2

Damn i really should finish this mappack

[gritty forge]

how many maps

[honest stag]

i technically used one in a scrapped map

doesnt count probably

[honest stag]

haha couldnt have been me that made the v1 funko pop......

grapples are object_grapple i think or something like that

which is the object that you shoot and it pulls you towards it

here's the full-size version of the funko pop model

[honest stag]

try turning off light flares and see how it looks

[gritty forge]

Please tell me that's a func_detail

[honest stag]

wasnt used in my map, ask aqua

[gritty forge]

That looks too good to be a funkopop model

[crisp raven]

Tr*ns rights are H#man rights 👌 👍🏿🤫

[crisp raven]

One thing to look out for is that too many candles might destroy your framerate. Which is sad because they look so good. 😭

[crisp raven]

I agree two separate levels might be the best route.

[honest stag]

second about candles

dont go overboard with them

they really chomp down performance

[gritty forge]

I’ve never seen the object altar in the real game

I thought it was gonna be that unholy altar

Also dw I wont abuse candles

They look like crap from afar and give off too much light

Sadly :(

Would be nice if you could set the light value for them

Unless you can

Haven’t tried

[honest stag]

try turning off light flares

in settings

of dusk that is

[gritty forge]

That makes them look too dull

Also I dont want ppl to have to change settings

[honest stag]

never understoon why everyone likes light flares

[gritty forge]

and it makes keys impossible to find

[honest stag]

understood*

light up the key yourself lol

[gritty forge]

Meh

[honest stag]

like light flares just look so ugly ew

[long anchor]

[gritty forge]

@honest stag who made those funko pop things? Aqua?

or you?

[honest stag]

me

[gritty forge]

O nice

You can’t add gravity flip things right?

[honest stag]

nope
but i did make like 2 maps with an illusion of that

[gritty forge]

I wish they existed as well as all the enemy models for deco

Like the dead soldier that hangs on E1M2

or the welder in E1M8

[gritty forge]

hehehehehehehehehehe

[honest stag]

looking good

[gritty forge]

is there a way to make the grappler thing last longer and/or move you slower?

[still raptor]

grapples have no duration at all

its simply proportional to your position to it

the further away you are, the faster it will pull you

[merry flare]

I swear to god

If we get gameplay modding that lets us add in weapons, glory kills and such.

Mark my words, i WILL make Brutal Dusk or I will at least try

[merry flare]

Looks fucking awesome. Maybe you should add in a part that takes place on venus? Just asking obviously.

[crisp raven]

Looking to make a brush I can shoot through. Anyone know the properfunc_?

[honest stag]

illusionary should do the job
and if you dont want to pass through it, surround with clip brushes

[crisp raven]

Tried func_illusionary, and func_water

No luck yet.

[honest stag]

i must have spelled it wrong lol

1 sec

func_illusionary works for sure

did you give it a water texture or something?

can you walk though the func_illusionary brush?

[gritty forge]

illusionary doesnt work

I've tried too

it eats bullets

[honest stag]

waaa
i could swear it worked

[gritty forge]

you can walk through it

it doesnt

[honest stag]

in fact i even have a test map whre it did work
...that WAS like 6 months ago though

[gritty forge]

probably a bug / oversight

idk if it's a trenchbroom bug or dusk but when you select all brushes on your map the illusionary brushes dont get selected

[honest stag]

that's normal

[gritty forge]

ok

[honest stag]

if you select only worldspawn, then only worldspawn will be selected

[gritty forge]

o

ctrl + a for everything?

[honest stag]

if you noticed, any other func_ and trigger_ brushes wont be selected etiehr

yeah

[gritty forge]

ok fair

[honest stag]

but it includes entities

[gritty forge]

yea

[honest stag]

so it's better to make brush groups beforehand

[deft shale]

just wondering, back when the dusk sdk was announced, it was also stated that the trenchbroom to unity converter used for the game would also eventually be released separately. i was just wondering if that actually happened and i am just overlooking it or if not if that is still planned

[gritty forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/717336370342920245/788429702888423514/unknown.png

start w/ interior for the rooms

From a distance, I thought that almost looked like a Thief Gold area

[crimson patrol]

The detail work is amazing!

[gritty forge]

thanks guys

gonna start on the next few islands for the map soon

[gritty forge]

Getting there!

[lofty pond]

Looks sick

[gritty forge]

im loving the process of making this map

it’s very technical but fun as hell

Mostly since I’m dealing with a lot of rotated brushes

[crimson patrol]

When is the release of that cool map you made before

[honest stag]

hell yeah man that looks super cool

yeah felling that mapping drive is great

[alpine depot]

I'm in a very cyberpunky mood so I might start doing like, some gritty futuristic map pack or something, shorter maps packed with details and shit

haven't touched TB in ages so I really wanna get back into the grind

[honest stag]

ages
more like a month

[alpine depot]

ITS BEEN CENTURIES IN MY TIME

[high magnet]

I always wanted to do a short level pack where it's all flesh levels

And with every map you get to a new body part, and it's like you're being digested as the levels go on

[honest stag]

ultrakill layer 3 pog

[gritty forge]

has anyone made slaughtermaps for dusk yet

i'm assuming no

[high magnet]

There's the nuts map

[honest stag]

i made it :)

[gritty forge]

yeah but that's nuts

[honest stag]

counts

[high magnet]

But I always wanted to try my hand at a legit slaughtermap

Although I still don't think dusk's combat is really fit for it

[gritty forge]

i think dusk's combat would fit well

not sure about the enemies though

[high magnet]

idk

slaughtermaps would just turn into strafe hopping at mach 10 speed while circle strafing around everything

[honest stag]

and lagging

[gritty forge]

laggy zooming around arenas with a shit ton of enemies & a shit ton of ammo

[alpine depot]

Erebus is basically the slaughter map of dusk ignoring e3m9

big fat arena with enemies all over the place

[gritty forge]

why ignoring e3m9?

[alpine depot]

cuz e3m9 is just bootleg endless mode

and erebus is more of a cool level with a nice setpiece n shit I guess

also I said basically as in pretty much the only slaughter map save for e3m9

[honest stag]

e3m9 is bad serious sam

[alpine depot]

if it really qualifies as a slaughter map anyways

[honest stag]

it also fucking sucks

[alpine depot]

boring after the first run lmao

kinda I guess

idk haven't played dusk SP in agss

since sdk version borked

too lazy to switch branches and backup my mods

[honest stag]

buy it on gog

[proper herald]

SP?

[honest stag]

singleplayer

[proper herald]

What is messed up w/ the SDK?

[honest stag]

the sdk built-in dusk version (NOT the moddable one) is broken and old according to the devs

and playing the campaign in the sdk itself kinda cuases isseus

[proper herald]

Will the devs rework the built-in SDK?

[honest stag]

iunno probably

[proper herald]

As well is the GOG version suggested or the Steam version or does it really matter?

[honest stag]

doesnt matter, it's just that switching branches to play the original dusk properly sucks
you can avoid that by simply backing up dusk before switching branches

[proper herald]

Ah

How many branches are there?

[honest stag]

but hey, gog version has a bonus endless level

so there's that

2

default and the sdk

[proper herald]

Ah

I've heard that the GOG version has issues connecting to multiplayer tho

[honest stag]

dunno, never tried

[proper herald]

also why?

[honest stag]

iunno, it was like a small promotional thing

[long anchor]

for me 50/50, i don't really like the bootleg endless mode part but i really like the boss part because of how music hits

also if you're not feeling like fighting but you still want to complete the level legit you can go for secret skip

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[honest stag]

not in a 100% speedrn

[long anchor]

fair

[gritty forge]

anyone know of some good dusk/quake looking wads?

just general good ones ig

and also one that has books for a bookcase or something would be cool

[honest stag]

Default quake wad yo?

stuff i've used tor a year now

for*

[crimson patrol]

Dusk textures ain't enough

Might find some quake texture packs to use

[honest stag]

go to quaddicted

there's a pretty bug wad thing in there with all kinda of them

no preview tho

[crimson patrol]

That's nice

I wonder how people make textures for games

[honest stag]

microsoft paint

[crimson patrol]

Like professionally

[honest stag]

microsoft paint modded

[crimson patrol]

I thought they made it in notepad

[honest stag]

like cavemen drew wolfenstein textures on cave walls, the pre-historic people used ascii art

[crimson patrol]

Lmao

Pre historic

[honest stag]

yeah, nothing existed before the year 2000

there are rumors about "half-life 1" and "doom" and "quake" but i dont buy that stuff

[crimson patrol]

When was oxygen invented again

[honest stag]

around the same time jesus invented rocket jumping

people didnt have stairs back then

so they had to rocket jump

[crimson patrol]

They had only 90 degree walls

[honest stag]

i might be sleep deprived

[crimson patrol]

Sleep

🤢

Take a nap or something

[gritty forge]

are there any good map packs on mods.io

hell, even any map packs?

Haven’t seen any

does winter jam count?

das different people

So no

Imo

[sharp trail]

how

it's still a map pack

so it's a map pack

[gritty forge]

yes but im speaking abt something made from one person

as in

several levels that build off of each other

[sharp trail]

oh

i don't think so but i also like don't know every mod on there

maybe Vriska or Veven know

but thats a good idea. Someone should just make vanilla maps at the quality level of the dusk campaign

everyone is doing a lot of special stuff but there are like almost no vanilla maps similar to quality as the campaign

[gritty forge]

thats what im trying to do

[sharp trail]

i saw your screens

i consider that as special stuff

[gritty forge]

since I love dusk maps and really want a DLC im trying to make something of my own

so people can have something at least

even if it's not as good

[alpine depot]

i technically have a map pack going

[gritty forge]

lol

[alpine depot]

all of my maps are connected to each other save for the winter jam entry

[gritty forge]

o nice

[sharp trail]

👀

[crisp raven]

HMMM AH YES SO EASY WHY DIDNT I THINK OF THAT ILL GET ON IT RIGHT AWAY

[gritty forge]

eeyeah

lol

not very doable

in reality

[sharp trail]

ARE YOU MOCKING ME OR ARE YOU TILTED AT GETTING DESTORYED ON FUSILLADE

[crisp raven]

DIDNT HAPPEN BUT OK

IGRAC BOUT TO GET HIS WIG PUSHED BACK

[crimson patrol]

Stop imitating dave

Only he talks in all caps

[alpine depot]

sorry guys i only speak in enchantment table

[sharp trail]

wasn't that modeled after a real language?

[long anchor]

don't play lower, everything else is fine

[sharp trail]

lower is overated

[ancient depot]

so you're saying it should be rated

lower

[sharp trail]

A-

[merry flare]

It was based on commander keen's language thingy

[long anchor]

Lmao zom

[crisp raven]

Lower 2 will be rated lower, too

[honest stag]

yo torii didnt you make a map pack of 3 maps tho

but they arent connected?

[crisp raven]

It's four and they are connected but the levels are so bad that I wouldn't even recommend them to my worst enemy

Like even worse than the Bunker

[honest stag]

i played and enjoyed them tho

yo bunker is literally THE worst

cant go lower than that

[crisp raven]

AT LEAST IT HAS GOOD ATMOSPHERE

[crisp raven]

Thank you Vriska you're the only one who believes in me 😭

[honest stag]

i think im going to delete the bunker lol

been thinking about that for a while

[crisp raven]

You gotta keep it as a reminder of what not to do with a level

[honest stag]

yea but i dont want anyone to stumble upon it

"wait why are there 7 enemies"
"why is one of them nowhere to be found"
"why are there so many useless rooms"
"why is the level 1 minute long"
"why are the toilets backwards"
'why"

[crisp raven]

Also all the lighting is probably messed up now

[honest stag]

nah i did it after the lighting updates

[crisp raven]

Good it's up to date ready to play

👍

[honest stag]

yeah for a whole 40 seconds

it literally takes more time to install it than play it

yeah im yeeting it

or at least making it private

[crisp raven]

I just downloaded it

So Idc if you get rid of it now

[honest stag]

it's hidden now

the end of an era

[crisp raven]

😭

I'm going to keep it forever and bring it back when you least expect it

[honest stag]

i already have it on in my folder

havent disabled it since i made it

[crisp raven]

When we get steam workshop support Im going to post it

[honest stag]

lol instant 1 star

[crisp raven]

The Bunker will haunt you for eternity

[honest stag]

the bunker can lick my balls

tbh

i cant believe i spent 2 weeks making it

wtf was i even doing

[crisp raven]

2 weeks O_O

Worth it

You should make a remaster

[honest stag]

oh boy
i dont think there's any saving that mod

[crisp raven]

Yeah

[honest stag]

maybe if expanded?

but hten it's not the bunker

[crisp raven]

Next map Jam: The Bunker Remasters

[honest stag]

hhahaha jesus

that would be so bad

if someone hasnt played the bunker - this isnt like self hate stuff

the bunker is (or was) legit the worst map out there

[crisp raven]

Dm me if you want to play it

I can hook you up 20$ USD

[honest stag]

what a ripoff

i wouldnt even pay a gold chocolate coin to play it

[crisp raven]

I would pay 20$ to not play it

[honest stag]

same

[crisp raven]

It's ok though we all have maps that aren't so good looking back

We all have our Bunkers 😭