well at least its easier
#dusk-modding
worn umbra
humble garnet
is object_couch suppose to be full white?
onyx marten
oh fritzadood you'll love my extra silky smooth spiral staircase
worn umbra
silkeh
wooden pier
How do I change the water color? Only by changing the texture nothing will work, right? 
wooden pier
wooden pier
Wow, the inscriptions can now be replaced https://imgur.com/xNX8v4Q
Where else can I find this inscription besides E1M3?
onyx marten
will i get sued if i use a track from amid evil's soundtrack in my map?
onyx marten
heresy
honest stag
we traded god for pepsi
wooden pier
Maybe redraw the canned food
we traded god for pepsi
@honest stag
worn umbra
whats the value im supposed to add to jump pads again?
onyx marten
0.5, 0.6 or so. depends
worn umbra
i meant the actual key, not value sorry
onyx marten
@worn umbra amount
sharp trail
love this. i would make the colors a bit more vivid so that the cans really stick out
sharp trail
just plaster a pepsi logo on the lether neck he's already blue and red
WAIT
PEPSI MAN JAKOB
honest stag
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/695656141006569591/701446837374156960/unknown.png?width=1010&height=568 yo can we have object_tree_4, object_tree_5, object_tree_surreal start at the entity point?
long anchor
that's probably will be fixed only when fgd arrives
so the the correct question is when we're getting fgd
honest stag
well we did have some stuff like that fixed before
long anchor
worn umbra
yeah but when are we getting fdg?
long anchor
well we did have some stuff like that fixed before
that was mostly about making stuff appear as it should in terms of rotation, like lamposts n stuff
remember this shit?
honest stag
ah yes my maps still have toilets facing the wrong way because of this shit
long anchor
also because euler got deleted in a week after it was added
honest stag
can you guys lock the account making already lmao
abstract pecan
as someone who's never modded stuff in his life, how hard would it be to learn how to make mod stuff for dusk?
long anchor
If you mean creating maps - not so hard if you're using Trenchbroom
if changing textures and sounds you need how to make these (or how to steal them)
if models - how to model (or steal models)
if scripting
well scripting is beyond me
abstract pecan
i guess i'll just try and make a map with the existing textures and go from there
abstract pecan
will do in case i need it, thanks!
tepid python
@honest stag
tepid python
give me that entity upscaling
also
@honest stag https://dusk.mod.io/coke-is-better
coral beacon
e1m3 95% done btw
well after im done i still need to playtest
so ill say its about 1-2 hours till its ready
coral beacon
am tired publishing it tomorow...
worn umbra
i look forward to the hell
coral beacon
sorry not sorry
worn umbra
alrighty lets do this
coral beacon
alrighty lets do this
@worn umbra not that importent but can you record ur gameplay would love to see it
or stream
worn umbra
still good choice
coral beacon
wow thanks for making an effort for me
worn umbra
Speaking of lol the software just started working
I cant get live commentary but still
worn umbra
Icti
coral beacon
ill suggest go easy tbh...
worn umbra
Yeah this fukin room
Finally
Omg
Wow
Those are the most evil chompers ive ever seen
coral beacon
these some evil bois
worn umbra
Im gonna ve honest
Im not sure imma be able to do this
But ill send you the footage i dod get
coral beacon
u can just use nbdeity
honest stag
@tepid python i win
long anchor
he won
gritty forge
now this is what I like to see
tepid python
bruh
timber atlas
What about Root Beer?
long anchor
and beer books.
sharp trail
hey i have a question i put in the pepsi mod but it doesn't load
sharp trail
nvm it works it wasn't in the "objects" category
long anchor
pepsi man heard you and granted you the ability to see dusk pepsi by your very own eyes
long anchor
how dare you
sharp trail
You‘ll see
long anchor
This means war?
honest stag
ah shit i guess i forgot that
still raptor
lol
sharp trail
im actually amazed at how good the raw logo looks. Haven't done any graphic design stuff for a long time now
long anchor
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
long anchor
that actually looks good
sharp trail
yea
sharp trail
i don't know alot about pixel art but just by choosing good colors things just start looking good
long anchor
if you and doritos will get in union perhaps pepis and coke will have to get in union too
onyx marten
why
honest stag
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/670453745162649611/701779631984083010/unknown.png?width=985&height=554
my wip map finally getting some progress and a basic version of lighting that i need to adjust
sharp trail
damn that statue
honest stag
honest stag
i could add another one but i need to some some more adjusting and would need 10 more minutes to compile
i really want a spooky vibe, this map's initial purpose was for a silent hill mod but scripting is too far away
this map's .lit file is now bigger than the .bsp
worn umbra
that's how you know it's good
tepid python
lit
worn umbra
when music triggers are added i think thats when a lot of the levels will start to really feel like the campaign
worn umbra
screw image skyboxes, THIS is the real custom skybox!
gritty forge
THE PIXELS
worn umbra
textures arent supposed to go that big lol
gritty forge
I think this is supposed to be one of Blood's skyboxes.
gritty forge
bruh u have a fuckin leak
coral beacon
how was e1m3 you guys?
gritty forge
E1M-Sweet
coral beacon
thx
long anchor
is there a way to make a delay on trigger without multimanager?
wait property? delay?
nvm
i still need multimanager actually
onyx marten
suddenly this lightmap issue appeared, anybody know how to fix this?
still raptor
first, check if it exists in quake
onyx marten
@still raptor it doesnt
I am falling through the floor, but the lighting looks fine lol
still raptor
interesting
we'll have to look into that
if you can send zombie or i a bsp that would be great
gritty forge
Lighting 🅱️roke again
onyx marten
i just looked in quake like 3 hours ago, both were no problem then
i wanted to release it like today man I'm pissed
gritty forge
Just do it bro
onyx marten
nah, i wanted to release it today for the last 6 days or so, I'll try to fix this somehow
If it's only doable with a patch or something I'll release it tho
abstract pecan
probably a dumb question
but do i have to have quake on steam to make trenchbroom levels with quake/dusk assets?
gritty forge
nah bro
abstract pecan
ah, okay
sharp trail
we need more cans
terse salmon
@still raptor how do you stop explosion blasts from pushing characterController downwards into the ground? do you reflect the vector along the ground plane if it's there?
gritty forge
what are you using to push it
cus the characterController shouldn't be able to move into the ground
terse salmon
@gritty forge it doesn't but mine acts really weird if the angle of blast goes downwards
this is really a question about the dusk engine
ancient depot
The mysteries of Dusk's codebase are kept under lock and key, only the sharpest tools can break their protection
abstract pecan
Those tools being asking the devs
gritty forge
Like I'm pretty sure there isn't anything to stop explosions from trying to push you into the ground
still raptor
jakob is right
but only because explosions simply dont apply any downward force at all
terse salmon
Really? I thought they calculated the direction of the player from the blast, or is that transformed to only apply it upwards?
still raptor
the player can only get upwards momentum from it
well, on that axis
you get horizontal velocity as well
terse salmon
Is the blast vector just added onto the existing movement vector or is it multiplied in some way? It feels really good
still raptor
i dont remember off the top but i believe its added
still raptor
i couldve SWORN the player couldnt go downwards from explosions??
iron needle
It used to be just upward in the pre alpha but I changed it
still raptor
ah ok
iron needle
Unless it straight upmdoesnt work and I never noticed
iron needle
Yeah
still raptor
i just never checked if it changed lmao
terse salmon
yeah, 500 you mentioned alpha actually just did a fixed upwards, but then it was changed to calculate the direction
still raptor
easy test is to just boot up the game and try it
terse salmon
so it's basically like quakes? it just takes the direction between player and hit, normalizes, * by amount and applies that back to the player?
still raptor
sort of
theres a few things
it has a minimum value and it multiplies it against a rocket jump factor
terse salmon
what is the rocket jump factor used for? i assumed rocket jumps were just the existing jump velocity with the blast velocity added onto top
still raptor
i assume it was to make it easier for @iron needle to tune the jump, but i dont know for sure
iron needle
I don't remember but I assume so
terse salmon
is the rocket jump factor fixed or does it change?
(sorry for all these questions, it's facinating :D)
still raptor
fixed i believe
terse salmon
thanks, really appreciate it!
still raptor
so, anyways
in the case of downwards momentum then
im pretty sure that it just checks if the player is grounded
and if theyre grounded, downwards momentum is set to 0
because its not like, actually physics based gravity
the player controller has its own DoGravity() function
and in the end, it gets factored into to an overall movement vector, that includes all forces as one thing
so input, explosions, crouching, bunnyhopping, grappling, rocketjumping, wallmovement, and the current speed multiplier
terse salmon
is that specifically downwards momentum from explosions? cause the charactercontroller just projects the vector against the ground?
still raptor
i think you misunderstand
thats all a function of "gravity"
which is really just, a calculation of current y axis velocity based on several factors
gravity actually ends up as part of the input vector
which then gets factored into the above list
you end up with one single vector of all applicable forces, and do a Move() based on that vector
so, in a case where the player is on the ground, DoGravity() has a grounded check in it, and if the player is grounded, the result of DoGravity() is 0
so the input vector will always be (X,0,Z)
making it impossible to have downwards velocity while grounded basically
heres some direct code from that function
if (CheckGrounded())
{
if (gravityforce < 0)
{
gravityforce = 0;
}
}```so, if the player is grounded, downwards gravity simply gets set to 0
terse salmon
and the explosion force, is that just decelerated by the gravity and friction values?
still raptor
all forces are decelerated by friction yes
terse salmon
input, explosions, crouching, bunnyhopping, grappling, rocketjumping, wallmovement, and the current speed multiplier
@still raptor are all these added linearly together, then the friction and gravity are subtracted from them?
still raptor
no
friction is calculated individually on all of those inputs, as friction isnt literal friction, its just a decay rate that is determined individually for each of those forces
and like i said before, gravity is factored into the input vector
terse salmon
Oh I see, I didn’t realise friction was separately calculated, so for explosion velocities, the friction is what subtracts the force on all axis, but there’s also gravity applied to the input vector
still raptor
"Gravity" is simply part of the input vector really, its the Y component
terse salmon
Is the gravity not called onGrounded for performance? I thought cc would just push out if grounded
still raptor
what
oh
uh no, not really, theres just no reason to push the player further down if theyre on the ground
abstract pecan
okay, how do i get a dusk wad
(apologies in advance, i have no clue what i'm doing)
wooden pier
It's in the pinned messages, but I can't tell if it's the last version
abstract pecan
after an embarassing amount of time, i've finally gotten a custom level to work properly
still raptor
🙏
abstract pecan
Now to start making levels properly
worn umbra
anyone know whats up with transparent textures making the things they touch also transparent?
onyx marten
That's normal, you need to make em func_wall
Or func_detail_wall or func_detail_fence
onyx marten
Np
hushed mural
is there any way to have music play on the half life maps or no
alpine depot
im getting prepared for custom model support 😎
tepid python
nice walking stick
abstract pecan
slowly trying to figure out all the tools in trenchbroom so i can try and make anything decent
terse salmon
are dusk map songs replaceable yet?
vocal swan
I don't even know how to replace regular music yet...
worn umbra
what do you mean replace?
vocal swan
I don't think I've ever used the music key in Trenchbroom
I'll have to read up about it
onyx marten
So add music,not replace?
alpine depot
@ancient depot For custom weapons in the future, are we going to be able to use vanilla Dusk weapons as a template of sorts for recoil, fire rate and all of that?
alpine depot
boomstick just needs textures and it'll be pretty rad 😎
wait how do i uv map oh fuck
ancient depot
are we going to be able to use vanilla Dusk weapons as a template of sorts
More or less, yes. Same goes for custom enemies
alpine depot
oh man thats awesome
first thing i wanna do with custom enemies is make the soldiers less like pathetic cannon fodder
i'll make them throw mortars at the player like there's no tomorrow, just like the cultists in blood who really enjoy a few sticks of dynamite every few nanoseconds
abstract pecan
what're you using to model that shotgun, aqua?
worn umbra
looks like blender
alpine depot
yes it's blender
abstract pecan
Okay, good to know
gritty forge
Finally, a Spas model without the stock unfolded
worn umbra
nice uv map 
gritty forge
Use edge selection and mark seams with control + e
long anchor
Finally, a Spas model without the stock unfolded
you're in the club too, right?
heh heh
tall zenith
how are you supposed to recognise that it's a spas without it
last talon
by not being a dumny bumny
ancient depot
I also hate the stocks on a spas
I just hate how they look
the half-life hd pack is sinful but I still put in the effort to remove the stock
small gate
why hello there
ancient depot
FEAR's shotgun would look better without it
tall zenith
it's the iconic spas look
small gate
I only remember that because I thought the gun looked funny when I first played fear combat (I had no money ok 😦 )
long anchor
I also hate the stocks on a spas
truly a man of culture
small gate
crowdsource a mod that adds the spas stock to every gun
onyx marten
the FEAR spas looks good with the stock imo, looks much more bulky and powerful
small gate
even the riveter
onyx marten
lmao even the sickles
small gate
even the cigar
abstract pecan
sickles with stock for extra stability
abstract pecan
sword with bayonet attachment
long anchor
laser sight to mortar
long anchor
I wonder how much time left until someone replace sigar with vape
sigar?
cigar
yeah
tall zenith
it'll happen eventually
gritty forge
vape nation
ancient depot
I think scott replaced the cigar with a tide pod once
long anchor
wtf you mean this?
ancient depot
yes lol
long anchor
lmao
ancient depot
small gate
put a cat silencer on the sshotty and a crack pipe on the cigar and you got postal mod
onyx marten
lmao
small gate
oh god thats evil
gritty forge
he be smookin
modest imp
Now that's a MacArthur pipe if I've ever seen one. 👀
abstract pecan
looks like the pipe of someone who has a plan, arthur!
onyx marten
lol yeah it is, tho i didnt know about him
deft frigate
im late to this but if u actually unfold the stock on a spas u are objectively wrong
deft frigate
im late to this but if u actually unfold the stock on a spas u are objectively wrong
deft frigate
💖
gritty forge
Will there be support for custom weapon viewbobbing?
For example, those similar to the Quake and early Unreal weapon bobbing?
prolly
lofty marten
Sorry if this is a noobie question (just getting into mapping), but how can I make the fence texture have transparency?
Right now it's black where I should be able to see through
tepid python
the pinned dusk.wad has the transparent parts as black, there's a version with actual transparency but idk who has it
lofty marten
ah I see
so it's no settings or anything, got it. Gonna find that then.
Thank you
tepid python
@lofty marten
lofty marten
oh, thanks!
long anchor
@lofty marten if you make regular brushes with transparent textures it will cause strange effect on collision with other brushes, like here
lofty marten
yeah, noticed that
long anchor
make your fence func_wall or func_detail_wall or something else
hold on
That's normal, you need to make em func_wall
Or func_detail_wall or func_detail_fence
lofty marten
okay, how do I do that in TrenchBroom?
long anchor
1 sec
select brush and do right click, select create brush entity and then func -> func_wall
lofty marten
i see thanks
long anchor
the rest didn't pop out for some reason but you'll find it
long anchor
and then when brush entity is created you can rename class to func_detail_wall or something else that you want
long anchor
sadly i still don't know what's the difference in those func walls
np
I just use func_wall and having a great time
lofty marten
how do you put writings on walls? when i select it, it just replaces my wall texture
do i have to make a new brush to put it on?
long anchor
yeah, make it super thin and put it on the wall
lofty marten
huh kk thanks
lofty marten
WorldEnt() failed to get worldspawn in light.log
sorry to keep bothering, but wtf my lights dont work
gritty forge
do you not have a worldspawn?
still raptor
probably renamed worldspawn
lofty marten
where is worldspawn? lol
i renamed a ladder from worldspawn to func_ladder to make it work like a ladder, and that made it stop working
i have reverted that change though, it still doesnt work
forget it, just ctrl+z'ed until it worked
onyx marten
@lofty marten It'd still be good to know, every brush that isnt a func_ is part of the worldspawn. if you don't have anything selected, the entity browser will show the worldspawn
lofty marten
ah, i see
thats why it worked when i actually right-clicked the ladder and chose func_ladder
thanks
worn umbra
are the gravity orbs from episode 3 implemented yet?
wooden pier
I'll do my part with the pipes
onyx marten
if i only knew how uv mapping works in blender
gritty forge
Will this replace the cigar to make Duskdude more sophisticated?
onyx marten
This one will make him more sophisticated but I plan on making 9 different smoking devices which you can choose via a separate weapon wheel
gritty forge
Make him smoke a car muffler :V
long anchor
9 different smoking devices
tide pod please
modest imp
So if Duskworld gets modding support with scripting, who's going to make Dusk Fortress?
Dusk Fortress? Team Dusktress? Dusk Dusktress?
Dusk Duskdusk?
vocal swan
maybe...
Working on a different mod project though
If we were gonna do it, you'd wanna help?
lofty marten
Would love to play Dusk in Dusk
long anchor
obv pyro
worn umbra
welder would probably be a better heavy because the pyro is good only at close range
worn umbra
bruh but e2m1
vale dragon
I was thinking the scientist is spy. Or medic, based on appearance.
I guess the scarecrow is scoot.
modest imp
I could always help with mapping, even though I've never finished a map in my life. :v
2fort, except it's just a bunch of shitty warehouses and silos on a mountain.
frigid sluice
can i ask here about custom maps crashing my game?
vocal swan
do you get the error where you finish a level and then it just doesn't load
or are you taking .bsp from other games and trying to run them in DUSK
frigid sluice
it crashes the game right after selecting the difficulty, on the loading screen
i'm trying out mods on dusk mods, nothing created by me
are there any common reasons for this kind of error?
tepid python
It means the mod is broken
still raptor
what do you mean by crash
frigid sluice
dusk.exe stopped working
i just have to restart the game after selecting the difficulty
onyx marten
does it stay that way? it often seems to crash but then loads
still raptor
if you go into the sdk folder, and launch via dusk_win.bat , and get the game to crash again, youll have an output log in sdk/etc/user
if you can post that output log here
we can try and troubleshoot
frigid sluice
i actually got an output file through a steam command
onyx marten
that the screen freezes is normal with most maps, some maps take like 2 mins or more to load
frigid sluice
alright, let me try again to be sure
Nevermind
I think i actually needed to wait
Well, Thanks guys
onyx marten
np
modest imp
alright, are you guys ready for
the
covered wooden bridge
please, please, contain your excitement
gritty forge
Thanks @modest imp very cool
modest imp
😎
gritty forge
here
this is a source decompile backport
still raptor
very cool
modest imp
Oh, sweet. Surprised you didn't backport the TFC or QTF version, though.
gritty forge
QTF should already run in dusk tho
modest imp
Trueeeeeee.
gritty forge
I've already had mister PowerPoint man agree to make a TF mod with me when scripting comes out
modest imp
I'm just doing this for fun, honestly. :V
It's like most stuff I work on, completely pointless and sure to remain unfinished.
still raptor
bro hes excel
gritty forge
FUC
modest imp
I'm nowhere near skilled enough to help with a project anyway, so don't pay any serious attention to my shitposting. 
gritty forge
Its okey bro
vocal swan
oh yeah I was going to ask about scripting
When the DUSK SDK comes out with script support, how will it look like? I've used Visual Studio 2008 to mod Half-Life before, but that was a script file. I know you guys are working on DAWN for all of that stuff, so i'm not sure what scripting will look like for DUSK (would it be internally editing them from the DAWN engine?). Can anyone tell me what I should expect in the future?
gritty forge
I think Zombie was doing some kind of C like language that gets loaded at runtime, don't quote me on that
But the whole engine will also be opensource so you could probably just hardcode new entities in C#
vocal swan
Okay, thank you. I think what I'll do first is change the code to alter some of the weapons and then try some of the more complex stuff later. I just wished we had a better idea of what the SDK's finished product will look like since we're all kind of uncertain, but I guess time will tell.
pliant sierra
has func_vehicle been implemented yet
worn umbra
pretty sure it hasnt
worn umbra
i have good news https://dusk.mod.io/func-vehicle
alpine depot
missing textures come from a lack of a palette.lmp or something in the mod folder right?
someone messaged me having an issue in Urban Turmoil cuz all the textures were just white/grey checkers
just need to make sure i'm not giving them the wrong solution lol
cerulean bluff
@alpine depot I just had the same issue with the same map mod.
Not really sure how to fix it
alpine depot
i experienced the issue before with another map and i forgot how i fixed it
ancient depot
Yeah that means palette.lmp is missing
cerulean bluff
If you find out, can you tag me? I thought it was me but when I played another map called "The Chapel" on the dusk mods site, it worked out fine.
oh?
ancient depot
Unless it's a HLBSP, in which case it means wads are missing
cerulean bluff
Sorry, I'm new to the modding community... What is an "HLBSP"?
ancient depot
Half-Life BSP
cerulean bluff
Ooh okay.
cinder compass
Hi everyone stupid question, how do I change the quake models over to the dusk models i.e. weapon models, enemy models etc. I got the textures but I can't seem to figure out how to replace the quake ones with Dusk in TrenchBroom.
modest imp
I don't think that's possible yet.
abstract pecan
yeah, you can't make custom models yet
basically every enemy in dusk has a quake analogue
so, the soldiers would be the quake soldiers
the dogs would be the black phillips
cinder compass
Ah alright i wish to swap them so i can make a map featuring the enemies from dusk instead of quake i do not want to put in custom models just want to reskin the soldier from quake into the soldier from dusk texture sorry if I'm not making sense I'm still trying to figure it out myself lol I know what i want to do but i dont know how to explain it but it doesn't involve a model swap more like a texture swap. If it is not possible I will work with what I have for now thanks for the response guys
abstract pecan
you're using trenchbroom, right?
onyx marten
texture swapping in general is possible but i think only with dusk enemies
modest imp
I think I get what you're talking about.
You don't mean the models in DUSK itself. You mean the previews in Trenchbroom.
Like when you place an entity, you want the model that represents it to reflect the DUSK version instead of the Quake version.
cinder compass
Yeah that's right I want the models to reflect the dusk models (sorry for the confusion lol) yeah I am using trenchbroom and do the models turn to dusk enemies in game anyway? I mean even so I would want them to reflect the dusk models as it makes things a little easier but if they aren't the quake models in game I can live with that
modest imp
The Quake entities are read by DUSK as DUSK entities. I know there's a list somewhere that explains what becomes what, probably pinned.
You'll have to live with the preview models being from Quake, though.
Either way, you don't need to worry about Ogres showing up in DUSK. :P
Aha, I found it. https://dev.newblood.games/index.php/Quake_entities_in_dusk
cinder compass
Ah yeah I did download that file and put it in my mod tools folder I didn't have a chance to look into it thanks a lot man that cleared things up and yeah Luckily lol I have another question can you create episodes with the editor or just the one map?
abstract pecan
you can't create episodes as far as i know, the closest thing to that would be making several maps and loading into them one by one
cinder compass
Ah alright thanks for clearing things up for me guys I appreciate if anyone ever wants to collab on a project sometime let me know I'm always willing to lend a hand
still raptor
ok so
lets clear up a few things
you can make models appear in trenchbroom, but it will be an arduous manual process, i would wait till we release an official fgd
as for episodes, you absolutely can create them
you can define the next map to be loaded upon completion of your current map
@cinder compass
cinder compass
Alright thanks for the info I will continue playing around with the software until I am confident enough to tackle my first mod. Is there anything I should know that will make my time in Trenchbroom easier?
abstract pecan
there's a 40-video long tutorial if you need it
it's not for dusk mods themselves, but it'll help you get used to it regardless
(there's a playlist on their channel)
cinder compass
alright I'll take a look thanks man
proven robin
Does Dusk support dynamic lighting? Right now I have doors and a light switch, but the switch doesn't toggle the lights, and light passes through my doors.
still raptor
dusk does support dynamic lighting yes
ancient depot
we support dynamic lights, we do not support light styles
still raptor
but right now there are only a few objects that use dynamic lights. Lamps, candles, several projectiles, etc. In the future with scripting youll be able to create whatever dynamic lighting objects you want
^
although im certain at some point we will lol
proven robin
Am I exporting incorrectly? All I did was attach a light to a button (which animates and says a thing correctly in-game), but the light is never off to begin with.
ancient depot
Currently the game will pick the brightest light style available, so lights will always be on
proven robin
Oh so that's a light style then.
ancient depot
Yeah
I'll see if we can squeeze a proper light_dynamic entity into the next patch so you can at least use that
still raptor
yeah thatd be quite easy
just be careful with them, as too many can quickly destroy performance
ancient depot
Yeah, will be less of a problem once culling is in at least
proven robin
And light passing through a "door" is a limitation at the moment too?
still raptor
well, that depends on how you bake the map
ancient depot
^
that's unrelated to anything we do on our end
if anything it's a limitation of whatever lightmapper you're using
proven robin
I'm using EricW tools if that means anything. I have Trenchbroom pass it through qbsp then through light.
ancient depot
Might need to tweak some stuff in the map then if the light's going through a door
Of course, since it's baked lighting, the light can only be baked with the door open, or the door closed
That can't change ingame
proven robin
Oooh
candid dew
any chance of getting sound triggers in the next patch?
trying to decide whether to release my map now or wait
proven robin
@still raptor sorry to bug you again, but how do I get a Lamp in my map? Is there an entity definitions file I'm missing?
proven robin
Oh wow, I'm dumb. I was looking at that file and thought it was just a list of names.
still raptor
it is pretty much lol
proven robin
And I just add that to Trenchbroom and I'm good to go?
still raptor
oh you want an fgd
uh someone made a fan one
someone in this channel will have it
maybe @honest stag
we will be releasing an official one eventually, its just not raedy yet
proven robin
ahh, I'm jumping the gun again, haha
still raptor
not really, the fan one will work
you can also just rename any entity
into what you want
so make like an info_null
and just rename it to something from entities.txt
and that will work
proven robin
oh cool
still raptor
trying to find the fan fgd, one moment
proven robin
Thanks a lot for all your help
proven robin
Oh perfect, that seems to work well
gritty forge
I think the entitie.txt file in pined is old
I posted a newer one here https://discordapp.com/channels/240195284695646209/586508960128040961/698897731736830052
proven robin
Thanks, @gritty forge
long anchor
official fgd when
mortal narwhal
@ancient depot Are there any plans for something that spawns an enemy in, so that you don't have to set up a teleport-trigger-monster-closet? Right now I'm setting up arenas with waves of enemies and it is a pain to set these up. Also, are there plans for an entity counter?
long anchor
^^^ that would be pretty neat
I don't know what other mappers do but I can't teleport any enemy except mages, in any configuration of sizes of monster closet\trigger
onyx marten
@proven robin this one probably has a little more entities
long anchor
they either fall through floor of monster closet or being pushed(???) on top of the ceiling
mortal narwhal
man i wish i could upload images
long anchor
or they just don't teleport whatsoever
mortal narwhal
i left this server and now i cannot send images here reee
long anchor
lol why did you leave it?
long anchor
wtf dude
mortal narwhal
anyways, this setup works on my machine™
long anchor
yeah
mortal narwhal
total pain to setup though
long anchor
especially if they are not teleporting
proven robin
@onyx marten thanks for that. A lot more
long anchor
they either fall through floor of monster closet or being pushed(???) on top of the ceiling
or they just don't teleport whatsoever
mortal narwhal
from what i understand, enemies will spawn on the highest flat plane
so monster closet up high
onyx marten
wtf
mortal narwhal
actually ill just get a screenshot
long anchor
you see
onyx marten
thats good to know
mortal narwhal
oh man
long anchor
it was so huge that the part of the skybox that had a leak wasn't rendering in TB
and the leak was super big too
something like this
me stoopit
mortal narwhal
hm, also i thought custom skyboxes were added?
long anchor
yeah
onyx marten
yeah
mortal narwhal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221778127083405313/703351702417440878/unknown.png
also this is what i was talking about earlier
long anchor
Lower was released before that tho
i was talking about earlier
what was that exactly?
I don't remember tbh
long anchor
Dave should've at least check my .map before hiring me as Dusk 2 mapper
mortal narwhal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221778127083405313/703353697148600320/unknown.png
yep, so pictured is the same box, but with a leak in the map
some enemies spawned on top instead of inside
mortal narwhal
yup
mortal narwhal
sure thing
long anchor
so
now my rework list has 11 things I'm redoing in lower when i'm done with other maps
cool
now we're just waiting a few years
until i'm done with other maps
ancient depot
@mortal narwhal There are plans for actual spawners, yes
hardy seal
terse salmon
I think so all sounds can be replaced?
ancient depot
If you're referring to the issue where the game won't load certain sound replacements, that still exists
balmy thorn
Have you started looking into the ai pathing and doors issue?
true vale
Hey, i wanted to ask, how is it that there are no endless mode maps?
Is the feature on the Sdk not implemented yet?
pseudo folio
that is a good question
vocal swan
probably because they are working on the spawner entity for the SDK
either that or it uses some kind of file we don't have access to yet
IDK
balmy thorn
Sorry if this has been asked 100 times already, but apart from the spawn system; what other additions will the next patch contain?
vocal swan
I have no idea, the devs work in mysterious ways
ancient depot
There's no specific plan for what the next patch will contain yet, but there are a bunch of things that could end up in it
too early to tell right now
as for endless mode, the plan is to get those kinds of maps going within the next few patches
gritty forge
What's the best Dusk mod around?
vocal swan
You'll have to wait for that answer
It's going to be hard to tell
There's going to be a lot of new features added
The best DUSK mod today might not be the best DUSK mod tommorow
but JUSK (big john DUSK) is pretty cool, I guess.
gritty forge
I will try that one!
honest stag
play some of the top rated maps, you'll have a great time
alpine depot
play mine >:)
vocal swan
Yeah Urban Terror is actually pretty good <3
gritty forge
Do you have a link?
gritty forge
thx
vocal swan
^ oh yeaah
alpine depot
https://dusk.mod.io/derailed subscribe to both
alpine depot
when you beat derailed it's linked into Urban Turmoil
so it'll load right after
noticeable difference in quality of layout and gameplay in UT
real proud of it lol
gritty forge
I will download it tomorrow
im downloading Doom Eternal and i will sleep after that
alpine depot
ooh nice
gritty forge
its 6 am where i live
gritty forge
nice
long anchor
@gritty forge people seem to enjoy mine too: https://dusk.mod.io/lower
Damn, now after this self-promotion act I feel ashamed
pearl fox
It's Urban Turmoil > Derailed > Lower for me atm
long anchor
I would say the same
I really like how my first ever finished map looks but I don't really like it gameplay-wise
anyway
now when I think about it, I don't really remember any bad maps, they're all fairly decent
with the exceptions of nuts maps
these are just memes
honest stag
bunker fucking sucks tho
long anchor
nah
tepid python
func_vehicle > everything else
long anchor
pepsi > func_vehicle > everything else
honest stag
is everyone just ignoring the fact that i fucked up the pepsi mod so it doesnt work lol
modest imp
func_vehicle now, dusk rally championship later
long anchor
dusk kart please
is everyone just ignoring the fact that i fucked up the pepsi mod so it doesnt work lol
make pepsi 2
gritty forge
Race against big john
tepid python
@honest stag don't worry i did it exactly like you so mine doesn't work either
long anchor
S - solidarity
frigid sluice
i really liked enclave and the basilica underneath
vernal cape
Not bad for a first try
alpine depot
i didnt particularly like their latest one, fume complex
not many health pickups at all
alpine depot
lol thanks
frigid sluice
so is this channel only for discussing dusk mods or also for modding help?
ivory magnet
if it's dusk mod related, it goes here
otherwise it goes on #general-modding
frigid sluice
just noob questions
can i get trenchbroom to show all the entities listed in the entities.txt for dusk?
onyx marten
oh you can use the entities, they just dont show the models ingame
I posted a more up to date version of the custom .fgd ( i think from func_bread?) in here a while ago
you still dont have models but at least you dont have to type each entity by hand
gritty forge
Trenchbroom is commonly used to make Dusk maps
onyx marten
yeah trenchbroom is tha best
onyx marten
I guess so, a mod has to do that
gritty forge
now pin it
onyx marten
is that the new one tho?
stone nimbus
so I've been out of the loop on the mods for this game for ages now, are full campaigns being made yet
gritty forge
big game
tight fractal
Too bad installing maps in dusk will never be streamlined and will always be a hassle
long anchor
oh oh
slaughterhouse
the guy who made it make nice levels
that's the guy who made "the four ruins"
warm badge
hey is there any kind of noclip cheat so i can get around to certain parts of my map easier lol
honest stag
Nbclip
warm badge
thank you
honest stag
Type it like in doom
warm badge
gotcha
ok time to barrage y'all with some noob-ass questions since ive finally been digging in to the dusk mapping here - textures that should have transparency on them aren't being transparent, but just showing black instead, what do? also, i compiled without lights assuming it would be fullbright but it wasnt, am i a dummy or is there just no fullbright in dusk?
also, how do i change the skybox texture?
onyx marten
yeah you need the transparent .wad, should be on here somewhere. if you dont find it i can send it
and you need to compile with light if you want to actually see your map
that skybox thing was discussed before, you should be able to find it
warm badge
ok thanks, yeah im searching around, should have done that first haha
someone said something about brushes with transparent textures on them needing to be func_wall
so i guess that works
onyx marten
they need to be a brush entity, not necessarily func_wall
onyx marten
and the transparency only works if the actual texture has the correct color of the quake palette, so if you have the usual .wad it still shouldnt work
warm badge
yeah i read about needing the palette.lmp file so i got that
onyx marten
i think so, func_detail_fence is commonly used but idk if that actually makes a difference
warm badge
ah
onyx marten
yeah that, but the texture itself needs to have the part that should appear transparent be the last color of the quake palette
whatever I'm guessing you have the wrong one so I'll just send it lol
warm badge
haha alright, thanks
onyx marten
np
vocal swan
Do we have an estimate for when custom model support will arrive? I don't wanna rush the devs, I'm just asking. (also if I knew what kind of bones DUSK uses for their playermodels I could rig them before hand) :3
vocal swan
oh no
honest stag
this has been happening for quite a while now - someone is still making bullshit pages on the dev wiki
honest stag
why not lock the account making or something?
ancient depot
I've considered it
As in, setting up the wiki to require approval as originally planned
blocking the bot won't work because it makes a new account for every post
warm badge
ok im still having trouble with skyboxes, can we actually not change them to anything other than the default overcast one right now? i was trying to search around and figure out what the deal is, or if im just doing something wrong
still raptor
ok question one
which version are you using
steam? gog?
the gog version is behind on updates, and hasnt gottent the skybox update yet, so if thats the version youre using, it wont work
warm badge
oh i'm using steam
mapping in trenchbroom, set the " sky " setting in worldspawn to " skybox_stars " but like i said i may just be doing something wrong haha
ancient depot
@warm badge Skyboxes require six textures, and you set sky_up, sky_down, sky_left, sky_right, sky_front and sky_back to the texture names
warm badge
oh ok, thanks!
ancient depot
note it expects a texture path relative to your mod folder, not a texture within a wad
eg, textures/mysky_up.png
proper vessel
hey everyone! i love dusk, and have been looking into modding it. i want to try to make a map, so i downloaded trenchbloom, but ran into a problem. which engine does dusk run on, and if so , would i need to own that game?
frigid sluice
it runs on unity, but i don't think any other game to run it
frigid sluice
can you describe better what your problem is?
gritty forge
he means what game to choose in trenchbroom smh
frigid sluice
Isn't there a generic option though?
eternal sail
Hello, did anyone else encounter a bug where all fonts go broken if you go away from the Latin alphabet?
vocal swan
@proper vessel Use Quake I as your base game, the entities and other stuff wont show up as DUSK, but you can drag the .wad file to get the textures and to change entities you can use the entities.txt located in the SDK files
honest stag
demon time
gritty forge
uh oh
tepid python
nice icon of sin
frigid sluice
das cool
gritty forge
Hmm yes
vocal swan
now this is epic
cosmic bridge
Hey, got a question for Trenchbroom. I know there's and fgd file, which I'm already using, but is there a def file to use with it yet?
honest stag
i think the fgd is J.A.C.K-only
still raptor
nah you can use it with trenchbroom
and as for that question, both file types serve the same purpose
cosmic bridge
ah, ok, I was just wondering, thanks
still raptor
the big thing is that we havent released an official one yet
thats what everyone really wants
so all the bounding boxes will be correct, and it will display models
sharp trail
long anchor
bran flaek
frigid sluice
bran flaek
gritty forge
Fran Blaek
gilded saddle
noticed a familiar game in the map labs road map
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVwltl7XQAAVUwq.jpg:large
vocal swan
epic style
still raptor
neat!
long anchor
nice nice
sly spindle
Can someone make a mod for doom music or my friend pedro music thnx guys
gritty forge
Not sure what this map labs thing is but it’s funny to see dusk and jabroni brawl next to each other
deft frigate
jabronii brawl
long anchor
Not sure what this map labs thing is
afaik map labs are mappacks for HL2 with some kind of experimental theme, like map that plays in one room, ep1 themed map, etc
jolly torrent
what program is used to make DUSK maps?
verbal peak
Trenchbroom
jolly torrent
should i download the 2019.6 version or the newest one?
still raptor
Shouldn't matter
gritty forge
One of you true3d mappers need to make a DUSK endless map set at a drive-in... this was posted on a "Forgotten buildings of Missouri" site I follow... pretty radical design
solid prairie
@gritty forge if i can get the info on making the endless maps, ill make it
gritty forge
I think it'd be a fun one... if you had a few vehicles sprinkled around, maybe a nearby trailer park... Redneck Rampage like 😉
solid prairie
throw a few jump pads around the map and it would be sick to fly around in
gritty forge
Throw in some kind of randomized movie textures playing on the screen... some bloom lighting...
tepid python
duskdude can probably just jump on it without a jump pad
cunning fulcrum
so how is modding coming along?
honest stag
lotta memes and quite a bit of maps
wooden pier
that describes all
frigid sluice
is there any documentation on how lighting works in dusk with trenchbroom? modifying the light attributes doesn't seem to do anything
vocal swan
Yeah, the only thing it seems to change is the color and brightness. I tried getting like a pulse light into DUSK but I don't think it worked.
frigid sluice
have you managed to get an ambient light to work? by default they seem to behave like normal lights
onyx marten
light styles (pulse, flicker etc) aren't implemented yet, i think ambient light is just the light key in worldspawn
frigid sluice
yep, that works for ambient light
set the value to the brightness you want
thanks
frank mantle
I might throw together a mod that just decreases SFX volume so you can have music on 200% or something
Or no SFX, just music, because why not
regal ore
Bass boost every sound, you coward.
eternal sail
Hardbass ost when
pearl fox
Hey Zom, is there anything in particular you're working on for the SDK rn?
ancient depot
BSP enhancements and saves are my priority currently
hallow basin
ggggggggggggggggggggggg
terse salmon
what graphics mode does dusk use? (since dusk hides the unity load menu)
gritty forge
uhh it sets the internal settings thrue the options menu?
those graphics levels are just presets for the inter settings I'm pretty sure
terse salmon
yeah, but you cant set any of this stuff:
i'm curious what setting it's using internally
(since dusk menu settings are mostly just post-processing adjustments)
frank mantle
Imagine wanting to decrease level of detail
sly flicker
Yeah it's not like anybody has a crap computer 
mossy dune
ok im a big dumb boy how do mods work i kinda got one working for dusk
ancient depot
You can set all of that stuff through code
via the QualitySettings class
If you wanna find out what values Dusk has, you could inject a script that prints all of those values out I guess
I'm tired rn so I can't be bothered to open the project and cap it lmao
I'm fairly sure Dusk just uses the defaults though
terse salmon
@ancient depot ahh code injectors 😏 is it the high quality defaults or low defaults? i always imagine i'll need to lower the quality since unity out-of-the-box is a big of a hog for anything low-poly/low-res texture
ancient depot
low I think
or maybe high with AA & anisotropic filtering off
but yeah you could inject a bunch of Debug.LogFormat calls into the FakeDOS startup script using dnSpy/ILSpy/etc
wooden pier
Is there way to decompile .bsp files to .map or maybe someone have .map file to share? Just today I set up Trenchbroom to work with DUSK, I would like to look at the maps from the inside.
ancient depot
BSP decompilers exist but they have varying degrees of success
I'd suggest downloading the Quake map sources, as they're freely available
They should serve as a decent resource
wooden pier
I already have. That's why I wanted to see something made especially for DUSK.
ancient depot
A Dusk map vs a Quake map is usually almost identical
You'd just have Dusk objects placed instead like monster_mage
wooden pier
Okay, good
ancient depot
As we don't have an fgd yet you won't see the objects in the editor though, so you'll need to manually set an entity to that type
there is a community made fgd going around though
an fgd is a file that tells trenchbroom what objects are available to place in the map, for context
wooden pier
Are the custom sounds available now? As far as I know, they cannot be added by default. But Quake mappers use programs such as Quoth or progs_dump.
ancient depot
As in, placing environmental sounds in a level?
wooden pier
Yes, to add a immersion
wooden pier
I see. Thank you for the answers ❤️
ancient depot
np
uneven flower
Hi I have a problem with the quake maps
I bought quake from steam and I don't find the archives of the maps
to play them in DUSK
ancient depot
@uneven flower There should be PAK0.PAK and PAK1.PAK in the id1 folder where Quake is installed
The maps are inside those files. You'll need a tool to extract them, Slade3, Pak Explorer, etc all would work
uneven flower
Ok, I'll try
mellow roost
For someone with zero experience in modding or using SDKs, would it be a bad idea to start with DUSK? Would it be wiser to start with something like Doom map making and then work my way up or are the DUSK tools relatively easy to work with?
mellow roost
Oh excellent, I’ll give that a watch. Thanks!
uneven flower
I have knowledge on Doom mods but I started to know about quake modding
mental oak
humble garnet
quick question if i wonna replace sounds in a mod
do i just need to make sounds folder and folders of what i wonna change with sounds with exact same name and .flac format?
like for ex. i wonna replace pistol sound, do i just need to make sounds/pistol/fire.flac ?
still raptor
Yep
i believe thats the case
as long as your mod order is higher than the base content, i believe your sound will take priority