I mean at least the Quake 2 engine has model interpolation in it
#dusk-modding
tardy charm
still no skeletal animation tho
Which probably means i have to do some model rigging before porting
still raptor
@small gate i believe the planned initial formats are iqm, and q1/3 mdl
gritty forge
Personally i find the crust of vanilla models charming
small gate
I do too, but I usually play with chonky pixels
because at hi res it looks off as hell
gritty forge
In the end i could not get much enjoyment out of STRAFE but i found the art direction on monsters and weapons to be appealing
mmm crust
small gate
e.g.: I love every single psx crust, texture swim? yes, vertex dancing? yes
dithering? hell yeah
gritty forge
I like it more when it is used as inspiration for an art style rather than being a "true" vanilla model
gritty forge
yeah they do not play well at modern res
Cause textures and the world around them does not look crusty as well
small gate
Blur-O-Vision™️, the way it's meant to be played
gritty forge
I always play games at 1080p
small gate
not playing games at 4k
ngl im smh rn
|| I don't either fucking RX480 wont handle it too well ||
dapper junco
How's the progress on HDusk?
crude cedar
lol
heavy sluice
Making pretty good progress
onyx marten
is teleportation still a little fucky or are there some rules I don't know of? For some reason most of the monsters spawn in but some don't and their teleporters are all properly named and targeting different info_teleport_destinations /targetted by a multi_manager.
tepid python
it's a bit fucky
onyx marten
damn
alpine depot
oh you can trigger a trigger_teleport or something?
onyx marten
yup
twilit basin
It has begun. I have begun constructing my first map ever. It looks like SHIT babyyy
gritty forge
that's the attitude
sterile arrow
is teleportation still a little fucky or are there some rules I don't know of? For some reason most of the monsters spawn in but some don't and their teleporters are all properly named and targeting different info_teleport_destinations /targetted by a multi_manager.
@onyx marten i think only enemies that are touching the ground can teleport and the hitbox things in trenchbroom can be off and put them in the floor
i was having the same problem and i just replaced the whole thing and it worked for some reason
still raptor
yeah youve gotta keep in mind the entities you are using are not exact, theyre approximations
so the hitboxes and sizes of those enemies differs from what is being displayed
when we release an official FGD we can make it exact
gritty forge
Scott
Eat your greens
Scott gimme the FGD
Nah but maybe have something in the entitie code that says what values it takes and stuff so you can auto generate a FGD file
gritty forge
Scott is going to be healthy
Hello friend :)
Good afternoon Jakob
Good afternoon gamer
It’s gaming time
no it's xx:06
alpine depot
does Animated mean it scrolls or something?
or like, a gif although i doubt something like wally supports gifs?
gritty forge
uhh isn't that the same as buttons?
I remember button textures having + in front of them
but yeah they're animated
mortal narwhal
wew
keen bay
😠 Me want H-Dusk now! 😠
cunning fulcrum
The horror but with double Ds
lapis hare
alpine depot
what the fuck is that supposed to mean lol
WAIT-
I'm not sure if what I'm thinking of is right or wrong
sly flicker
There's only three things that could mean and only one of them is not utterly AIDS
cunning fulcrum
3? The previous post was about Hdusk, what the hell else could it mean?
sly flicker
It could mean double D sized knockers, two penises or two of the lad named Double D from Ed Edd 'n' Eddy 
gritty forge
OH NO THE HORROR IS HOT
spiral nexus
Dusk but everyone is a cute anime girl
gritty forge
Okey so hypothetically if I needed concept art for HDusk who would I ask
spiral nexus
I can only draw stickmen 😔
fringe nymph
i can draw shit
gritty forge
Konrad can u draw lewd horrors tho
gritty forge
I mean if we're talking seriously here nah
But I can pay you for a soldier one
fringe nymph
gritty forge
T 🅱️ose
frosty bolt
so, how easy is the sdk to use
honest stag
???
frosty bolt
nothing.
honest stag
are you under the impression that there is an editor in the sdk?
cuz there isnt one
the supported one is TB though
honest stag
ah
need to do that outside of the sdk
the sdk only launches the map
also we cant edit the maps from dusk yet
frosty bolt
what palette do i need ? something from the pak files ?
frosty bolt
the best i can do is try maps from quake/2 and hl
honest stag
also i'm not sure if quake 2 is supported
frosty bolt
then i'll see what crashes and what doesn't.
i would have tried hl 2.
but i forgot which map uses custom assets.
honest stag
source maps arent supported p. sure
honest stag
there is a dusk dev wiki but it's pretty empty, you can find some info there tho
pretty sure there is a FAQ too
check pinned messages
frosty bolt
guess i'm waiting till people go further in deving.
gritty forge
Guys i starte working on h dusk assets, things are already going great
gritty forge
Nobody knows what it should be
alpine depot
draw a bikini over the cowgirl textures and boom
spiral nexus
This channel wasn't approved by the Vatican
gritty forge
Most of humanity was not approved by the Vatican
silver wasp
hallo, so is this the cool kids club they told me about?
to make Dusk maps, i need to download trenchbroom a quake 1 mapeditor right
but what i don’t know how do you load your custom made maps ?
modest imp
Check the pins, bro.
There's a smorgasbord of info there, everything you'd need to know. :D
silver wasp
need some navigation here, where are those pins?
modest imp
You can just click the pin at the top of the Discord window to view them.
honest stag
anyone who understands sculpting and shit - i need your help
how can i improve the look of this? how should i do the hair?
modest imp
Yeah, definitely minimize the number of brushes whenever possible. If a shape has no concave sections, it can be one brush.
gritty forge
Make brushes, not bruhshes
spiral nexus
func_detail everything
gritty forge
Try taking the lower part and making it circular (duplicate and rotate)
please don't take me
sturdy tide
too late
spiral nexus
when we getting func_bruh
gritty forge
When you make it ™️
honest stag
i did, i couldnt get it to be there and no clip with the other parts
hands are a fucking mess to move so it's as good as i could get it
no one must know
except you i guess
gritty forge
doesn't even hold the sword smh
honest stag
alright i moved it around a bit
honest stag
god i hope people dont look too closely at the hands, the more i try to make them look good up close the worse it gets
gritty forge
It's fine dude
That's what happens when you try to make small stuff in a map editor lmao
honest stag
player size for reference
gritty forge
oh god oh heck
honest stag
i domt really know where to go from here
i think i'll leave it as-is
gritty forge
Ok
Of monsters do not spawn like a waterfall from the weight i will be like so disappointed
I just gave you a million dollar idea
last talon
it's gonna be another patented jank teleport by vriska :D
honest stag
oh hey i think flippy made a jump map, have you tried it?
gritty forge
I do not think that is a true statement
I have seen players die in Quake 1 jump maps
honest stag
well i guess for challenge shit yes but overall i dont see why not go with godmode/inf. ammo
gritty forge
And if they didn't it's because they were given an infinite invul at the start of the level
Many jumps maps are built around giving a precise amount of ammo and making players figure out the best way to take advantage of them
spiral nexus
uncapped bhop for cs:s bhop maps in DUSK when
tepid python
jump map competition
spiral nexus
jump map jam
gritty forge
Come on and map, and welcome to the jam
spiral nexus
Mapping jam could be pretty exciting once SDK is more feature rich
honest stag
jamp map jam
spiral nexus
dask jamp map jam
sharp trail
@honest stag stop doing awesome stuff my eyeballs are burning
honest stag
thanks mang
mortal narwhal
can I shill my map one more time here?
small gate
thats what #dusk-modding is for
mortal narwhal
play my map lol https://dusk.mod.io/undertow
alpine depot
what'd be a "funny haha" thing to replace soldier sounds with
heavy sluice
squelching
lapis star
R. Lee Ermey insults.
plain lantern
Is it normal to not be able to save or load in the SDK when your playing a map?
still raptor
yes, saving is not supported yet in the sdk
long anchor
saveload support when 
ancient depot
not for a long while yet
if we want to do it properly, that is
a lot of webs we need to untangle in the code first
long anchor
ок
gritty forge
I mean prolly
spiral nexus
I guess with some really elaborate scripting that could be possible...?
I sadly don't have any programming knowledge so I can't say
mortal narwhal
do enemies fall through a broken func_breakable?
still raptor
probably not atm
alpine depot
ok so i need some ideas
this wall looks bland and i want to make another meme billboard ad to liven it up a bit, any ideas for what to advertise on said billboard?
gritty forge
Mom's kinky shop
last talon
was it something best left ungoogled? :D
last talon
come up with a soda ad that advertises blood soda
gritty forge
Or Mom's Non Euclidean Hospital
gritty forge
there is a Mom both in Dusk and Futurama
last talon
you mean mama?
alpine depot
alpine depot
i need to add a quick rust overlay like the rest of the ads
last talon
haha
alpine depot
and yes i am actually adding said club into my map
gritty forge
When can I have this kind of quality ads before my YT videos
last talon
this is definitely the vibe
alpine depot
perfect
gritty forge
nice
alpine depot
when music support is added i'm gonna blare the ricardo meme music
gritty forge
This is the quality content i live for
alpine depot
if you have any other ad ideas let me know and i'll add them in
gritty forge
Cart dog Animal Rescue
Priestes S&M
Fork Maiden retirement house
Chomper Sushi All You Can Eat
river axle
Wendigo Insurance ad of "We're always behind your back"
gritty forge
alpine depot
alpine depot
gritty forge
alpine depot
fork maiden retirement home coming up next
please use these ads so all the maps are connected
gritty forge
you should group them into a zip so people will have an easier time using them
once you are done with them
alpine depot
mortal narwhal
^
alpine depot
i'll fix the maiden quick and then throw all these into a zip
gritty forge
yum!
alpine depot
v2
oh god now it's harder to read the bottom
ahhhh
ill just murder the rust and call it a day
gritty forge
I feel like you can remove the last two lines and not lose anything
alpine depot
ye
gritty forge
small gate
this fucking chomper one is just beautiful
alpine depot
time to put it in a tweet
actually ill make a wad too for all these
now the wall looks so much better!
gritty forge
oh boi
mortal narwhal
nice
modest imp
You know, a texture pack of nothing but advertising billboards and posters would be an adorable idea. :V
onyx marten
can anybody tell me why the water doesnt work? i just duplicated and lifted the ground brush, made it func_water and put a *watertexture on it. with that texture, the brush doesn't appear ingame and with a normal watertexture it's there but it behaves as if the brush was 2x as tall
this is with the normal water texture
mortal narwhal
what happens when you cut up the water brush?
onyx marten
didn't try it yet. you mean cut up so it doesn't go through other brushes?
and now for some god damn reason that "escape" screen appears when loading the map
onyx marten
are there other reasons for this than missing the palette.lmp ?
ancient depot
The escape screen appears when there's a critical error, a missing palette.lmp isn't classified as a critical error and would only cause you to get missing textures
So something else is wrong
Anyway, there seem to be some odd issues currently related to texture-based effects (water, clip, etc) so you might want to try and make it a func_water and give it a texture that doesn't start with *
or !
onyx marten
what could be a critical error?
ancient depot
A broken entity, invalid map data, etc
If you send over the BSP I can find out for you
onyx marten
and i did use one without * or ! but somehow the there is water above the brush
sure thanks
ancient depot
That might be related to a separate issue we need to fix for the next patch
I'll investigate both
ancient depot
For those that are curious, object_teleporter is broken atm which caused the error, so don't place that in your maps currently
It's fixed for the next patch, alongside hopefully forcing the game to push through any other loading errors so you can at least get into the map
alpine depot
are we going to have particle effects by themselves in the near-ish future? like, adding fire somewhere without needing a barrel fire or campfire stick pile prop thing, etc
alpine depot
sick
gritty forge
Zombie doesn't even give you an error message :(
spiral nexus
so basically we all should wait for when console is out?
ancient depot
I mean the text file output log
if you run the game with dusk_win.bat it appears in etc/usr/output.log
gritty forge
Nice pun Zom🐝
spiral nexus
Zom🅱️
mortal narwhal
haha, nice.
ivory topaz
Has anybody made a bazingadusk thing yet
ivory topaz
If there wasn't, now it is
mortal narwhal
is there a way we can count alive enemies and trigger something yet?
woven sky
how do i get sdk can some help me
honest stag
Welp
I wish i could make a texture mod for one of Dave's tweets but am at school :)
At least we got a lot of meme texture mods
wooden pier
don't judge me https://imgur.com/f82Km82
By the way, some of his sounds now make hoo-hoo.
alpine depot
make pooh the leatherneck
piglet becomes the bone monk
kanga and roo are mages and grand wizards respectively
wooden pier
it'd be great if I could do better with textures
alpine depot
it looks great as it is lol, meme mods should never be high quality or it just soils the whole mood of it
ooh what would be cool is a mod that disables model interpolation so we get that real old-school animation
wooden pier
old-school animations?
alpine depot
animation that isn't smoothed out, all choppy and whatnot
interpolation smooths out animation between keyframes, without it the models basically snap to the position/rotation of the next keyframe
wooden pier
I guess I got it
uploaded it here, if anyone's interested in installing it: https://www.moddb.com/games/dusk/addons/tigger1
alpine depot
how would i turn this into a set of double doors?
ancient depot
make them touch and they'll link
alpine depot
o lol
still raptor
one day we'll add rotating doors lol
thorn nova
is the mama fight music miniboss_3_loop.ogg?
torpid sky
So is the SDK still the alpha first release thing?
honest stag
kinda yeah
we have more features for mapping than on release but not everythin
honest stag
What sequel
viscid sinew
Jeez let them finish off DUSK first 💦
gritty forge
How can they answer a question like that?
How can they possibly know if the SDK will function with a second game when work on it is most likely still in its early stages
last talon
also "yea I'd like to make dusk 2" doesnt mean "I am going to make dusk 2 as the next thing on my list"
I think david said that he was very exhausted after dusk and wanted to do something else
gritty forge
I hope he had a lot of icecream
That's why he's on gloomwood now
Also he didn't say a sequel to what is coming.
Maybe it's the sequel of Big Rigs
What about Rat's for breakfast
spiral nexus
I am not playing Rats for breakfast if it doesn't start with Jerma's rat song
gritty forge
True
twilit basin
Question ya'll (note I did read the pinned tweets, and I am not certain on this point, maybe I missed it) If one were to use a texture .wad from the quake wiki to texture a map, does this carry over into Dusk, or do you have to sort out each texture into .jpegs? I was a little unclear on that point.
tepid python
it carries over into Dusk
twilit basin
Cool thank you, I didnt want to start a map with custom textures and then realixe halfway through that the .wad wasnt compatable
gritty forge
if you're using quake 1 then the textures are stored in the map file itself
if you're using quake 3 then you just need to include the wad in your mod folder
twilit basin
Im using Q1 with a texture wad ripped from doom
gritty forge
Yeah then the textures are in the .bsp file so you don't need to worry about it
twilit basin
Sweet. Thanks
cosmic copper
Here's a .wad with colored door indicators since I don't think its been done yet. The colors might be a bit off from what they are in the game but they're based on the color of the key textures, so they should be pretty close.
half dust
Da real mvp
honest stag
dude thank you, that's really useful
serene fog
so i downloaded a map for dusk, loaded it into the sdk and i can see it under modding, but how do i play the map?
sleek cosmos
Hello guys, i'm kinda new here and i wanted to ask if someone knows how to configure trenchboom (Yeah i've seen the tutorial and read the text version BUT i don't have quake 1, so i kinda can't configure the path to it, and i never found the solution to my problem)
also i wanted to chat a little about mapping, because this will be my first attempts to make a map and i'm very new to it, i've got inspired by the design of dusk maps, i especially liked how each episode followed it's own theme
gritty forge
These are the best tutorials you can look up https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgDKRPte5Y0AZ_K_PZbWbgBAEt5xf74aE&feature=share
sleek cosmos
Thank you!
gritty forge
It's better if you try to do things on your own and ask specific questions if you have some
sleek cosmos
That what i was thinking about
gritty forge
It's hard that people will have time to teach everything by text
You can also use Trenchbroom to open other maps and check out what is happening there to learn further
sleek cosmos
Aw, i hope i won't be a pain in the ass with my questions! I sure will try to understand things by myself
But still, my main problem is configuration of trenchboom, mainly the part where i don't own quake 1
so i will be grateful if anyone will tell me do i need to buy it or there is a way to start mapping with only dusk files
tepid python
there's only 1 file you really need from quake which is the pallete.lmp but it's available online so just dusk works
sleek cosmos
Thanks a lot!
I'm sorry, but i think i'm doing something wrong. I don't have a bspinfo.exe in my SDK folder!
tepid python
the wiki is wrong on that
sleek cosmos
What should i do then?
tepid python
there's a 2 minute video linked under it which does show the process properly
sleek cosmos
Thanks
I always forget that people can pin various stuff in discord :D
okay i'm confused now
trenchboom seem to not be able to load models because i don't have quake 1 at all
the only file of quake that i have is pallete.lmp
tepid python
yeah everything works fine you just won't see the quake models in trenchbroom
onyx marten
this may be a dumb question but I'm making a big open map with lots of isles and stuff so it's hard to seal it, should i just make a big box around it?
still raptor
thats a semi popular way to do it
but as a reminder, for now, you dont need to seal your maps
as we dont utilize vis yet
thats currently in progress however
hoary juniper
vis is cursed
onyx marten
yeah but someone said having it sealed would decrease the loading times significantly
and if thats the case i need it, the game almost crashes everytime i load my map
alpine depot
yeah my maps load twice/triple as fast when they're sealed, Derailed was like up to a minute for loading when it wasn't sealed
it depends on the size too and i sorta was a bit ambitious with my first fuckin map lmao
onyx marten
ok having a box around it didnt change the terrible loading time/performance
still raptor
yeah that would be placebo
in fact,as far as i can tell, adding the extra brushes to seal the map would only increase loading times
not by any significant amount
stone copper
Hello yes, I am but a humble dummy, how do I load dusk textures and entities into TrenchBroom?
tepid python
check pinned messages for the dusk.wad which is basically all dusk textures in one file
tepid python
inside trenchbroom there's a tab called Face, press that then on the bottom you'll see a small text that reads texture collections
still raptor
if you check the pins theres an FAQ on the dusk wiki that should help you out
stone copper
Thanks a ton, I need to make a level to practice my rivet jumps
onyx marten
after one month of mapping i fuckin hate the loading screen music of dusk lol
gritty forge
huh
lament ore
Ay yo wassup lads I've been away for a while how the SDK goin
honest stag
It's bread himself
No updets :(
honest stag
A couple maps got released tho
Some good (func_vehicle)
Some not good (my map)
lament ore
@ancient depot @still raptor is the eventual plan to support HLSL or some other shader language? I'm gonna pick a shader language to learn soon and it might as well be the one the SDK is gonna use
gritty forge
what
still raptor
thats a loaded question
external shader support in unity isnt really a thing, zombie has some ideas about it, but its going to be complicated. I assume HLSL would be the preferred language, but cant really speak to that until we have a real solid plan in place
lament ore
Kk
@gritty forge there are ideas being thrown around about creating an ubershader that emulates, say, HLSL shaders
ancient depot
I have no idea what shader language will be used if/when we support it
Far too early to know, unfortunately
alpine depot
wasnt there a trello for dusk at one point?
alpine depot
ah ok
rancid fossil
Yo when will Dusk get a proper SDK interface for easier mod making for people like me who want to get into modding but have no idea how to use trenchbroom or anything?
rancid fossil
thats another thing i was confused about
I don't own quake so I didn't bother trying to learn trenchbroom because I didn't know if it required quake
stone copper
Wait I think I'm just dumb
tepid python
You don't need quake for dusk modding
stone copper
Wherm'st do I find the SDK folder...
honest stag
you dont need to own quake, but you do need an editor to make your own maps
most maps are made with q1bsp here, so we need a palette file to run maps with textures, which is free to get on quake wiki
you need a password
check pinned messages
stone copper
Oh
Seems like a weird thing to keep behind a password but okay
Thanks
Excuse me for another very dumb question... What the heck is a bspinfo.exe
honest stag
what are you trying to do?
stone copper
Set up the profile in trenchbroom
ancient depot
The part of the wiki mentioning bspinfo is wrong, refer to the video linked slightly below that section instead
stone copper
Oh thank you
ancient depot
We should probably just remove that section and put the video there instead until it's rewritten
You're not the first to be confused by it
stone copper
You mean the two minute trenchbroom tut right?
ancient depot
Correct
honest stag
for how to use it and stuff - dumptruck_ds has great tutorials on youtube
stone copper
I know the basics, all I really need is a level to practice my rivet jumps on doing it in e2m1 is a pain
Also wont lie, that video sorta skips over the part i'm confused on.
tepid python
You don't really need to make a profile
honest stag
yeah that's not exactly needed, but you can fuck with it if you want
stone copper
Okay, skipped that. Why is the compile button grayed out
honest stag
in TB?
stone copper
Ye
honest stag
because you need compiling tools
i suggest not using the tb compiling thing and instead get some ericW's tools and maybe a GUI like Necro's gui for easy navigation
dumptruck_ds videos show how to set up all of that
stone copper
Thats where bspinfo was
I'll keep it real with you, I have zero, and I mean ZERO experience with making mods. I'm just a speedrunner, who wants a clean environment to shoot explosives at his feet
honest stag
well i suggest just giving dumptruck's tutorials a good look
they arent long and the first 2-3 videos should give you enough knowledge to make a basic map and launch it
skip things that are quake related like installing quakespasm
you do need to select the quake profile in TB tho
stone copper
I'll give them a watch
tepid python
You can already test your rivet jump skills with my jump map if you mean something like that
Or i guess you'd want a giant empty plane
honest stag
oh yeah flippie made a cool jump map
stone copper
I mean, thats the start, ideally id learn to make better maps
But for now I'm basically just remaking e2m1 without the fluff
honest stag
basically at first just try to make a plane surface map just to make sure you can make a map and launch it
also since you installed the sdk i suggest playing some of the cool maps people made over at dusk.mod.io
stone copper
Okay, I have necros I have a erictools, where do I put what now?
Also thank you for your patience
honest stag
dumptruck's first setting up TB tutorial explains that stuff in detail
stone copper
The quickstart one?
honest stag
yep
stone copper
I'm watching it and it makes zero sense, because I don't know the equivalent folders. Like do I just unzip necros and erics in SDK, or do I put them in the one where I made the textures/sounds/maps folder?
honest stag
alright let's set this a bit straight
TB setup stuff has nothing to do with the sdk
SDK just launches the map after you did everything you want with it in TB and then compiled using tools
you can put the necro's and eric's anywhere as long as it doesnt go against the tutorial
a bit more to explain if that might help
When you're done with a map in TB and save it, it makes a .map file
ericw's tools take that file, compile it into a .bsp, add lighting and vis and all that cool stuff
so basically it doesnt matter where tb is, what matters is where it saves the .map files for your necro's GUI to launch all the ericw's tools and compile the map without you bothering too much
then after all that is done
you shove that bad .bsp boy into the sdk maps folder
and play it
i can guide you step by step in dm's to compile a map if you still have trouble
i had to spent a full day trying to figure out what to do
stone copper
It would be a hell of a lot easier for me if you could just talk me through it. Like I know im dumb, but I'm making myself look really dumb right now.
honest stag
alright switching to dms
stone copper
Okay, with all of that sorted.
One final (hopefully) question
Where do I put the Palette files?
Turns out
I don't need textures
Yeeeeeet
Hold one final final question
Is nyraolepthotep an entity you can put in a map?
Oh my god he is
gritty forge
Yeep
stone copper
What would be his name in TrenchBroom?
stone copper
To get dusk entities in TB i put the wad in right?
honest stag
Nope
stone copper
Oh
stone copper
Oh neat
honest stag
An*
stone copper
Rename them where?
honest stag
Click on an entity - on the right top click the entity tab
The classname property of that thing - set it from whatever it's named to whatever you want it to be
stone copper
Oh no...
Ohhhh noo
Time to make big johns pit of death
I have been given far too much power
gritty forge
Alright,imma get to mapping-
I used quake stuff before,so how do I import dusk texture pak?
gritty forge
Thanks comred
stone copper
Trenchbroom question
I have pretty much everything set up now, except all the textures when I put dusk.wad into TB are black and I don't know where to put palette.lmb
tepid python
Palette.lmp is only used in a mods folder for dusk not maps folder, you can check any dusk mod to see how it's supposed to look
stone copper
Is there a way to turn off infighting?
last talon
there was a mod for that long before SDK but I cant remember where the guy uploaded it or if it even works anymore
stone copper
Anywho, dumber question
How do I make a door work? I have it set to func_door and in game i press e on it and I am startled by the lack of opening
still raptor
last talon
bleh I should really get around setting up jack.
its been so long tho that I might need a tutorial just for that
remember vhe and worldcraft setup being a nightmare if you had no clue what was what
spiral nexus
JACK is pretty easy to setup and go
VHE 3 barely runs on modern systems so I wouldn't recommend setting it up
last talon
havent looked at jack for much else 'cept installed it
spiral nexus
JACK has few odd quirks to it which are slightly off-putting for VHE veteran though
last talon
what kind?
I tried to just go with trenchbroom but it instantly feels like I aint getting all I want
spiral nexus
Remember to go into settings and enable unit numbers, idk why doesn't JACK have that on by default
last talon
lol
spiral nexus
I mean JACK is pretty identical to VHE 3 but something about it is off, and I can't precisely put my finger on it
last talon
sounds pretty ominous
spiral nexus
You'll get used to it fairly quickly
last talon
most likely. I havent done any mapping in... christ more than ten years
but it'll all come back
I booted jack once and the UI instantly felt familiar so that's a bonus
havent felt the pressure yet to start as you cant load maps into duskworld yet afaik
spiral nexus
It's single player only indeed
last talon
well we'll get it. just dont know when seeing that duskworld aint close to done either :D
spiral nexus
But you know, one could start already so it'd be done by the time features are rolled in
last talon
yea I know
I already have a couple ideas written down and some layout drawn
I'm a lazy guy I'll get to it when I feel like it 
stone copper
Hey, how do I set up a trigger that teleports enemies somewhere?
stone copper
Dumb question, how do you translate something vertically?
still raptor
alt in tb
honest stag
if you still need a trigger help -
make a brush, right click it, select trigger - teleport
that place is now a teleport
by default it just teleports anything inside, but if you give it a targetname it wont teleport anything untill triggered
if you need a deeper explanation - dumptruck_ds has it
so whatever entity is it - a key, a button, a trigger_once - as long as it targets the teleport - it teleports in whatever you want
stone copper
Can i drop a dusk map into TB?
Like say I wanted to take an official level and remove stuff from it, for examples all the enemies so I can practice in peace, is that a thing I could do?
stone copper
Dang
spiral nexus
Official maps were made in Unity, so there's pretty much no way to have them be editable
Maybe someone down the line will work on replicating them to MAP/BSP format
onyx marten
so whatever entity is it - a key, a button, a trigger_once - as long as it targets the teleport - it teleports in whatever you want
@honest stag Really? I tried teleporting a pickup and it didnt seem to work. on the other hand triggering the teleports doesnt work 100% of the time anyway
onyx marten
the most recent update was from 1/21 right? if so, i tried it after the update. but I'll try again.
but not being able to teleport a pickup isnt nearly as frustrating as having 2 mobs next to each other being set up exactly the same but only one of them teleporting in
onyx marten
nah didnt work
honest stag
odd stuff
i'll try it a bit later today
what are you trying btw
spawn enemies on key pickup?
onyx marten
spawn enemies on trigger_once
i fixed most of em but i dont know how lol, it seems to be pretty random
mortal narwhal
try having that trigger_once target a multi_manager that targets your teleporters @onyx marten
onyx marten
yeah I'm doing that
honest stag
oh yeah pretty sure trigger_once worked for me as well
i thought you wanted keys or some shit to do that
mortal narwhal
just put the trigger inside the key
onyx marten
I have it set up just like that
honest stag
btw
onyx marten
does the trigger_teleport size or the enemy size matter?
honest stag
cant you just set a target on the key entity?
instead of a trigger
pretty sure size doesnt matter (dont take this out of context)
onyx marten
idk i tried that and it didnt work but i didnt fiddle around with that much
honest stag
as long as they touch it should be good
mortal narwhal
have you tried triggering the multi with something else?
onyx marten
the multi_manager targets each of the trigger_teleports and it works on 4 of the monsters
i think i tried with a button once but im not sure. anyway if the trigger_once was the problem none of em would work right?
mortal narwhal
yeah, maybe make the multi_manager target another multi_manager?
honest stag
oh no jesus lol
mortal narwhal
and split the load
honest stag
i dont think there is a limit to multimanager? or at least a reasonable limit
4 of the monsters?
hm
mortal narwhal
it seems the multi_manager only goes to 4, so use that fourth slot to trigger another multi?
mortal narwhal
j a n k
onyx marten
shouldnt be the problem either cuz i have another multi_manager working with 13 targets
mortal narwhal
I was just guessing
honest stag
yeah there's the answer - works with 13
mortal narwhal
well that blows my idea out of the water
mortal narwhal
are the tp brushes' names unique?
are all the tp brushes targeting a teleport_destination?
onyx marten
yeah they all have the same short name with a different number
onyx marten
yup. the names have to be right since there's the red connection line
onyx marten
ahh
mage, mage_red, scarecrow and soldier i believe
i got all the teleports in that map to work except this box (in the pic is only a third of the box)
mortal narwhal
how many multi_managers are in your map?
mortal narwhal
wow
honest stag
let me try that as an empty map
mortal narwhal
maybe theres a limit
onyx marten
yeah this map is too damn open so i have to teleport so many monsters in
i guess not since it still works on some. like the mage_red didnt work at first and then i switched the placement or size around or anything that wouldnt be a logical solution and then it worked
maybe you can't copy a monster entity but have to make a new one for every teleport?
honest stag
it seems like you make all the teleports small?
onyx marten
yeah
honest stag
dont see why unless it's optimisation i guess
try just making a big box of each
like a container or something
onyx marten
i had big boxes at one point but it worked with the small ones so i guess it should be fine. i made big boxes for the non working ones and that didnt fix it
but i'll try again, maybe if the box is bigger than the entity inside
mortal narwhal
@ancient depot Are there plans to have enemies be spawned/teleported in by a trigger signal so that we don't have to make monster closets?
honest stag
that's a cute name ngl
mortal narwhal
lul
spiral nexus
Just to be sure, semi-transparent func_water isn't supposed to be visible in the current version of SDK?
I am compiling with ZHLT and using ZHLT's FX amount and render properties
honest stag
probably not?
spiral nexus
semi-transparent func_walls work just fine, but water is completely invisible for me
honest stag
in theory, can rendermode/renderamt work on water textures? i'm not a hlbsp expert so i dunno
like if you use them on a non-transparent water texture
spiral nexus
Yeah ZHLT can do that
I tested it in HL1 and it works just fine
so it's Dusk specific problem
onyx marten
making the teleport brushes bigger didnt work btw
honest stag
that's really odd
onyx marten
yup i dont see any logical reason why it is like that, it seems totally random
honest stag
i bet it's either something silly we missed or a bug we dont know about
onyx marten
probably. you didnt find anything in the map either?
honest stag
nothing unusual no
onyx marten
is it possible to have a func_door target something?
honest stag
might as well use a huge func_button
ancient depot
@mortal narwhal Proper monster spawners are planned, yes
versed wind
anyone know what the latest update is?
gritty forge
uhh why did I get a steam notification about the sdk being out
ivory magnet
Stand by
ocean cliff
i'm making a sexy sounds mod
i just wish WE COULD SAVE OUR GAME when running the SDK version
spiral nexus
soon™
gritty forge
Writing things in caps does not help development
last talon
it may if you are typing comments to your code
small gate
IT'S COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT CODE IN CAPS HAVE 30% LESS PIPELINE CONGESTION
gritty forge
//MULTITHREAD!!! OBEY ME!!!!
gritty forge
onyx marten
what's the difference between the map formats "standard" and "valve"? I didnt find any information on it in the interwebs
small gate
better lightmaps, textures with their own palettes, etc
@ HLBSP
you probably want to search for HLBSP vs QBSP
onyx marten
thx
gritty forge
Daddy Dave wouldn't put them into an update...
Maybe I have to prove that it's worthy first.
tight fractal
usually isnt a good idea to just throw whatever a fan whips up straight into the game
gritty forge
I am sure there is great work put into this but talking poorly on the game you are modding does not encourage people to value your work
ivory magnet
yeah nah the chances of community mod content being incorporated into the main game are slim
if people want it they can easily download it
tight fractal
🥕
gritty forge
I wasn't talking poorly. I said it is already great.
It just fixes some problems.
Everything has problems.
Even the greatest of things.
Nothing is perfect in this world.
Also I am sorry but all I can find about "Sound Bulb" is a bunch of broken links.
I do not mean to denigrate your work or anything but it is kinda weird when you say "creator of ..." if no info can be found
It is just something for me to put down. If you want some help, I can show you what it is.
Yes it is true that everything has problem, but there is a difference between saying "this could be improved upon imo" and saying "This guy could have made the game take up even less space than it does"
It is a series of mods I am working on that revive sound effects.
I am saying that because it is true. The oversampling.
192kHz is a lot of audio data.
And its nyquist is so high that most of it we can't even hear anyway.
People can only hear up to 20kHz. And only very few can.
You see you don't get it. You might be right but you sound like you are looking down on the product, and that does bode well for you.
Look, I mean no harm. I just suck at wording things.
Dave is here, he knows what I am saying... At least, I think he is.
tight fractal
dave doesnt check this channel
ivory magnet
ey it's a free world. you're free to make and distribute just about any kind of mod you want as long as it isn't illegal or malicious
gritty forge
Well he's missing out.
tight fractal
he barely checks the discord in general
ivory magnet
that's why we're here
tight fractal
dudes the ceo of new blood and hes working in another game dev studio
the dude is allowed to not worry about this stuff
ivory magnet
dave runs new blood and holds a high level position at rocketwerkz
gritty forge
I know he is.
ivory magnet
he flat out doesn't have time
heavy sluice
and you wouldn't want Dave to be more active here
gritty forge
Look. I am not a bad person.
tight fractal
that too
gritty forge
If I am coming off as one...
tight fractal
no one is saying that?
gritty forge
You guys are saying that I am talking shit about the game.
tight fractal
i think you need to focus on your wording a bit better
gritty forge
When that is not what I am doing.
I phased out a lot during my time in school.
That stuff ruins me.
tight fractal
not the place to discuss that
ivory magnet
i mean there's no reason to really drag this on. just make whatever you want to make and release it when you're ready 👍
manic geyser
since the mod support is now there how do I access to mod the game ?
gritty forge
Which an update is being worked on.
ivory magnet
check the pins on this channel
tight fractal
keep unrelated dusk stuff to #general-modding btw
ivory magnet
everything you need to get started is there
manic geyser
because I went on the sdk version and all I can do is play the downloaded mods
gritty forge
It was related to something you said earlier.
noble bison
manic geyser
oh
tight fractal
lmao
mortal narwhal
@onyx marten did you get your multi thing figured out?
onyx marten
sadly i didnt, I'm working on it right now
maybe I'll switch one room around so it doesnt need teleporting enemies and do the other ones from scratch
i hope i get it now since this is the only thing that's hindering me from calling that map done
gritty forge
I wonder if Doom maps will ever be compatible.
3D doom.
Think about that.
MMMM.
Since it's Unity, I'd bet someone can port the 3D enemies used in ZDoomGL.
tight fractal
i 100% do not want 3d doom
gritty forge
Not those models.
tight fractal
cant wait
hoary juniper
i kinda love it
small gate
all that's missing is INFINITE BLOOM
gritty forge
Hang on, I will show you the models.
small gate
to go with that beautiful specular
gritty forge
They were never ported to GZDoom, that's how old they are.
small gate
doomsday engine is peak doom
gritty forge
Those ones were made with a lot of love and effort.
tight fractal
they still look bad
gritty forge
Unlike the Skulltag ones.
Yeah, they are a bit too detailed.
Considering it's a retro game.
tight fractal
if the enviroments matched, it wouldnt be too bad
small gate
they're just not good doom models honestly
lusty pier
What the fuck is that, is that a fucking pinky, hey don't look at me like that that's a weird looking fucking pinky
tight fractal
its just you cant take abstract low detail doom maps and throw detailed models into them
it doesnt work
gritty forge
These ones. They are low poly, low res, and fit the artstyle pretty well.
Porting them to GZDoom is extremely difficult.
gritty forge
The revenants in the pack that video is about are literally skeletons with a suit of armor, not revenants.
tight fractal
i just think i will always prefer sprites over models when it comes to doom
also horribly off-topic
gritty forge
We were talking about Dusk with Doom maps and enemies.
tight fractal
ohright i guess we were
gritty forge
So, why make models when some are already available.
I have the models from that picture.
They are md2 files.
And if anyone here knows how to work with MODELDEF for GZDoom, hit me up.
Someone tried to port them into GZDoom, I tried to contact him, but he never responded and hasn't done anything since like 2 years ago.
For Doom guns, you could possibly use the models from this mod.
Yes, those are models, not sprites.
Chaingun and Rocketlauncher
Just some ideas for modders. If anyone does it, please message me, I'd be happy to test it for you.
tepid python
bro i just want func vehicle
last talon
func_shittytruck
ocean cliff
funk_funkytruck
unique ocean
@tepid python same but trigger_hurt
raw jacinth
func_duskmobile
cobalt atlas
congrats on the alpha release guys
opal estuary
by any chance do u guys know which folder to extract the zip file to when downloadin a map?
honest stag
sdk/mnt/local - drop the mod folder there
opal estuary
tyty (:
tight pawn
Hey so im using trenchbroom for the map editor, i understand that the quake entities get replaced by dusk ones when the map loads, but none of them are for the standard shotgun, am I doing something wrong?
still raptor
you can rename entities to get the one you want
honest stag
you can use dusk specific entites - check the pinned messages for entities.txt
tight pawn
ohh ok thanks guys
still raptor
theres the list of names
OR, optionally, you can use the community FGD file
mind you, its not official, so i cant make guarantees it wont cause problems
we will be releasing an official one down the road
tight pawn
yea i had the entities one open, didnt know i could rename them, thanks so much!
cursive bane
Hey I'm trying to find the bspinfo.exe file in the SDK but I can't find it, is it something different now?
honest stag
there aint anything like that
pretty sure it's a part of compiling tools for maps
like ericw's tools
honest stag
pretty sure there are some things wrong with the faq lol
still raptor
no i dont think there are
cursive bane
ah so is there any indication as to what it would be? Because I can't find the right file for it to run
still raptor
bspinfo.exe is not even necessary
cursive bane
So I could go without configuring the engine?
still raptor
you should get ericw tools
download this, extract it somewhere
then youll have the files you need to follow the FAQ tutorial
cursive bane
alright
still raptor
it doesnt matter where you put them btw
yeah ok tbh this faq does have some problems
not that its wrong
but its missing info
cursive bane
yea I've been noticing that as I've been going through
still raptor
its alpha™️
cursive bane
sorry if I'm a little vague I'm extremely new to this whole modding thing
tight pawn
The 2 minute video on the FAQ is what helped me the most, shows all the tools you need to use to run the map
cursive bane
yea I've been watching it and I got to the run phase and then it stopped working
still raptor
what run phase? like in the game?
cursive bane
yea
still raptor
wh happened that wasnt working? i can help out
cursive bane
I think you found what was wrong when I went to compile and then launch it said the file selected didn't work
it was the bsp
still raptor
yeah see, in my little video here, we dont use trenchbrooms compile feature to simplify the workflow
just save the .map
and drag it onto ericw's QBSP.exe and then the resulting bsp onto LIGHT.exe
cursive bane
Yea then I tried pressing the launch button which also didnt work
still raptor
launch button?
cursive bane
in run there was the compile and launch buttons
cursive bane
alright
still raptor
basically those are features for when you have like a fully configured environment
cursive bane
so you're saying to configure the engine to the QBSP and when I run the map it will work?
still raptor
yeah, you can just use the built in quake profile
just make sure you point it at quake, so that it can use the pallette file
if you dont have quake
we can work around that
cursive bane
I have quake, but I made the dusk profile as well
still raptor
ok perfect, yeah you can just use the default quake thing
cursive bane
I'm just trying to figure out if the dusk profile is unecessary
cursive bane
ah I see
so if I already configured it I can compile then launch?
or do I still have to drag
cursive bane
ok
still raptor
basically pressing compile IS the file dragging
tight pawn
heyy sorry another question, is it possible to have transparent textures? I'm using a fence texture but the parts that should be see through are black
still raptor
yes, but you need to use the correct pallette index as the transparency
transparency is the last entry in the index
so if youre using the quake colors, its like the weird pink
bottom right
tight pawn
oh ok, the only palette I dragged in was the palette.lmp used in the video
still raptor
yeah thats the quake one
so the textures youre using will one, only be transparent if theyre marked with * i believe
and also will only have the pixels using that color be transparent
tight pawn
I see, thank you again! haha
still raptor
no problem
this is why half life bsp is a little nicer to user
because each texture has its own palette
so each texture can select its own transparency color
granted, the hl texture set uses a deep blue for it
cursive bane
ok so I found a little problem it pulls up the console for a split second and then nothing happens
still raptor
things might be happening
the console is being run when you press compile
if you configed it following the faq, its likely you now have a bsp spit out into your sdk folder
gritty forge
Yo where can I find dusk.wad?
cursive bane
I looked in it but nothing happened
gritty forge
Ty
cursive bane
when I drag it it does the things but I'll screenshot
the picture won't pull up in discord
still raptor
Uh just shoot it to me in a dm
cursive bane
I think that's what you wanted right?
desert crane
long anchor
El Oshcuro saves the day
cursive bane
Life saver
honest stag
that actually sounds very very nice
finally i dont need to listen to "silent hill relaxing music 2 hours" playlist over and over
small gate
there's always some nier/nier automata and persona 5 relaxing playlists too
the near a tomato one being just 👌
honest stag
yeah i have listened to persona music since the 5th game came out
i think iheard enough of it lol
i still do actually
cursive bane
quick question, how do you make walls?
small gate
brick n mortar m8
cursive bane
like a border
honest stag
oh like invisible?
honest stag
you mean vertical brushes?
small gate
you mean basic level layout wall?
cursive bane
yea
honest stag
because you need to hold alt and drag up when making a brush
small gate
I'd recommend you watch a guide on mapping with trenchboom if you're that early on, it will make your life easier
small gate
he really does, and it will help you kickstart your mapping, there are lots of little things you're better off getting from a tut
small gate
gl
stone copper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY2o8HaPfUE This is my music for modding DUSK
gritty forge
How to move objects up and down in TrenchBroom without using shift to drag it out?