how do I quote messages in discord idk how to work this shit
#dusk-modding
lament ore
small gate
thats both whats great and shit about discord, you get some amazing convos but it's not very easy to follow shit if you're late or missed bits
lament ore
Here's the Andrew Yoder article. Highly recommend reading this
and following the dude on twitter
proud to say this article was directly inspired by a shitty map I sent the guy that had the door problem
I have improved radically since that time :v
small gate
hence why one shouldnt be afraid to show sketches to people
small gate
that andrew post is great, 10m in and I am already making some parallels to maps I love or hate
this is what a top tier writeup looks like
lament ore
Yeah that dude is great
Also super helpful and a nice dude all around. Someone of that caliber probably has better things to be doing than playing the maps I send him but he does it anyway lmao
short sentinel
Generally been playing stuff and making notes, starting with a theme but I also over think it
I'm a mechanics guy rather they level design for sure
small gate
it's okay to overthink while taking notes, but comes a time when you need to just whip something out and have people try it
lament ore
Yea like I said, throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. Something that's great about Quake style mapping tools is they are absolutely fucking unparalleled in prototyping speed
short sentinel
Yeah that
small gate
even if the end result isnt what you wanted it to be
small gate
you got gifs?
lament ore
I will play your demo when it is available my good man
small gate
those are great tools
short sentinel
Thanks func
small gate
if you're not shilling your game, eg at #general-modding , you're wasting potential
lament ore
If you want feedback pre-demo I'm sure some of us here would be willing to sign an NDA and give you feedback privately, myself included
short sentinel
Yeah I need to break out beyond the twitter sphere for sure
Ah thanks, il keep that in mind
small gate
post URLs to your twitter posts on md-gen
short sentinel
If I can get my level design as good as dusk il be happy
small gate
lotsa people with lotsa followers here, if your work gets traction im sure people will rt it
gritty forge
At least, right now, shooting at doors makes them open.
short sentinel
Won't people get pissed that I'm pushing HS on a nodding server?
small gate
pfffffft ahaha
nah
hatsu, hakita and awesreek do it all the time and people (me included) love it
short sentinel
I remember putting something on reddit and got absolutely crucified
small gate
reddit hates self promotion
short sentinel
They did not like hellscreen visuals either ha
lament ore
people are generally friendlier around here lul. although, maybe it should go in the general channel instead. most of the same people anyway
short sentinel
But fuck it
small gate
don't crucify me for this, but if you're targetting reddit, you should get people to do it for you
I never said that
short sentinel
Hey Johnny, I appreciate all advice
lament ore
Reddit is a collection of everybody on the planet who has bad taste
short sentinel
Iv been doing game art for 12 years but being a Dev too, still loafs to learn
onyx marten
which type of trigger do i have to use to open a door?
onyx marten
hm ok i tried trigger_once but it didnt work
rapid crown
@short sentinel when do you reckon you'll have a demo for us to play dude?
small gate
@short sentinel I feel ya, gotta learn me some 3d art so I can actually finish something for once ;-;
rapid crown
Also those articles about FEAR and Yoder's door problem, share them to the r/DUSKtheGame sub
short sentinel
But I might start throwing out a couple of rough private builds
short sentinel
Sure
rapid crown
๐
small gate
just make sure there's nothing on it you don't want people to datamine
because it will happen
rapid crown
Lol
short sentinel
Haha
lament ore
@rapid crown I don't use Reddit but feel free to share em on my behalf
rapid crown
No probs dude
small gate
https://twitter.com/Hellscreen_Game this you right
Twitter
short sentinel
Yeah
small gate
that's a bold as fuck artstyle
short sentinel
And @uk_resistant is me too
lament ore
That artstyle is sick as hell I love it
short sentinel
Follow uk_resistant if you want general game dev ramblings and sci fi gifs
Thanks folks
Means a lot
lament ore
Yeee
how are you planning on funding continued development? New Kickstarter or looking for a publisher or?
if you don't mind me asking
short sentinel
I don't mind you asking
Publisher
Currently contracting and then working on it, hence why it's taking so long
small gate
I really want to plop that on a CRT and see how it looks, lotta dither there
lament ore
nice nice
short sentinel
That would be sick
lament ore
oh hell yeah that art style would be PERFECT for CRT
once the demo is out just go knock on Big Dave's door and make him publish you
small gate
remember to rt some newbies when you get big ๐
rapid crown
@short sentinel been following you for a while but always meant to ask what's the story behind HS?
lament ore
It's inspiring as hell seeing one-man teams releasing good boomer shooters. One day I will join you all....
lament ore
don't forget to send your demo to Civvie once it's public
that man has made me buy more boomer shooters than I have any right owning
Civvie is actually in this discord, speaking of
spiral nexus
this Discord seems to have every possible gaming boomer in existence
lament ore
P.S. just search "encounter" in the search bar and you'll find the beginning of my convo with David on designing the Dusk encounters if you're interested in that
New Blood should be renamed New Boomer
spiral nexus
we're the Neo Boomers
lament ore
NEO-BOOMERS
small gate
Dusk and Amid Evil both cover a HUGE swath of early fps game inspirations
and then there's faith doing it's own beautiful thing, but that's not the point
spiral nexus
Airdorf didn't release Faith III last year because he wanted to give other games a chance of being the game of the decade
lament ore
I was surprised to see Faith get on board with New Blood
glad they did tho Faith is sick
small gate
I'm glad it did, Faith deserves all the praise it gets
lament ore
can't wait until we have custom model support and I can make a Faith Dusk map
graceful hinge
Im stumped ;w;
Hunted leaky bois for hours, got sick of it and tried to brute force with a proper sky box but Vis shoots every core on my PC to 100%???
graceful hinge
I suppose so but like..
small gate
if you do need it, here's a protip, do you know what a binary search is?
graceful hinge
You mean search the coordinates for the nearest object?
small gate
it goes like this, make a huge box around your map, test if vis works, if it does, cut it in half
test one side, does it work?
do that until you find the area where vis is fucked
lament ore
that technique is truly a classic
graceful hinge
huh...and I guess just kill it if it goes wild again?
well its definitely somewhere lol
never seen my pc do that
small gate
whenever you take a split and vis goes wild, you know where it is NOT
so you take the other side
lament ore
that, rather :v
small gate
or a hollow box
spiral nexus
bruh you're reminding me of horrible Source SDK PTSD of praying that vvis won't crash every run of the map
small gate
either way it works
that's the "true neutral" approach
the chaotic evil approach is just using a huge skybox
lament ore
@spiral nexus we don't talk about the horrors of source sdk here
graceful hinge
well i did that, around the whole level. thats what got vis going nuts
small gate
lawful evil rather, chaotic evil is just fucked vis and broken prebakes because of leaks
lament ore
Valve really just released a buggy unstable build of Hammer in 2004 and just left it like that for an entire decade and a half
spiral nexus
Source VHE be like
uses carve tool
universe explodes
graceful hinge
ill see what i can do
lament ore
we don't use the carve tool around these parts
small gate
oh god I remember attempting to make a cave once and I had the beautiful idea of carving with a cillinder
lament ore
OH GOD
small gate
you know exactly what happened
I felt so smart at first, and then confused, and then dumb
holy shit I hope my shit maps didnt die with that hdd crash ;-;
lament ore
gotta upload dat shit to the cloud bruh
small gate
I started doing that recently
it's fun having all your shit on imgur so you can stare at your horrors like
lament ore
that's some Dusk level art right there
small gate
my texturing work was just ๐
spiral nexus
I have like over 200 hours in TF2 VHE and I finished a single TF2 map
lament ore
relatable
spiral nexus
Using VHE is quite fun but finishing anything is almost impossible
small gate
that's an accomplishment, usually takes longer for people to finally appease the unholy gods enough that they decide the bsp compile tools are going to finally not crash
fuck I just realized my metro fov mod tables and notes were on the hdd that crashed I'm going to stop thinking about the past now cuz it hurts
spiral nexus
just pop-in a cool Vinesauce VOD in bg and start map random memes in VHE for the next 6 hours and then after working on the map for like 2 weeks you decide to take a break because vvis makes you death on the inside and you end up never finishing it
and the VMT just collects dust on your desktop for the next 5 years
small gate
vinesauce is way too distracting for me
spiral nexus
I watch meme shit but Joel's/Vinny's playthroughs are great bg noise
lament ore
I can't have Vinesauce as background noise cuz I end up just watching Vinesauce instead of continuing whatever I was doing
small gate
vinesauce jerma and simpleflips are just too distracting
spiral nexus
every time I get into some niche gaming community everyone in it religiously follows Vinny, Joel, Simple and Jerma
bruh
spiral nexus
I haven't watched Jerma that much since the glory TF2 days, but as of late I have been getting into his content too
spiral nexus
sorry but imma 7up gang
long anchor
@honest stag sorry, map won't be ready today ๐ฆ
Had to do some stuff besides mapping
But i also don't want to rush to the ending
(That's why i'm making it almost 40 fucking hours)
honest stag
awww
wish i had the patience to spend that much time on 1 map
most i had was like 15-20
short sentinel
@rapid crown im out at the no but il type out the HS story later!
rapid crown
Nice 1 fella ๐
hollow laurel
heh
meanwhile, i've suddenly been motivated to finish what i started back in late 2013 :p
long anchor
That's nice that different kinds of people flow around this channel
hollow laurel
yup
and well, it makes for great feedback cycles
also seeing how people do certain things you yourself find hard
balmy thorn
I kinda like the revised trees.
hollow laurel
(also, somewhat not related, because that reaction thing, i like yeet as a sortof opposite to the old word yoink)
gritty forge
Those trees have ascended
torpid sphinx
Someone needs to update dusk's moddb page
Still says it's in early access
hollow laurel
hah
balmy thorn
So random question: Do you guys like to mix army/cult enemy types or do you prefer them as separate "factions" for different levels?
honest stag
personally - mix
long anchor
Mix
onyx marten
In general i prefer em as separate factions but gameplay-wise i'd mix em
honest stag
i literally have 2 army guys and a cult guy in the first section of one of my maps
long anchor
These two factions are basically obsessed with one thing that makes them whole
I could say it different to make it more poetic, but me no know engils
hollow laurel
I go with what theme the level has
so, my thing will have cultists and monsters
no soldiers
long anchor
But yeah, it's also about level
honest stag
i dont think anyone ever is actually bothered/notices the mix up
long anchor
It would feel weird if i put cart dog or bonemonk in my industrial sector lol
long anchor
^
hollow laurel
since the base replacer thing put loads of soldiers in my level, which doesn't fit with the theme
balmy thorn
There could be a section in your industrial sector where they have stored artifacts for example, which would compliment monsters etc.
honest stag
eh, the first thing someone thinks when they see that is "shoot gun", not "hm this is an industrial thing with a magic enemy"
hollow laurel
so, while doing the good ol' replace thing in text editor i tried to set a decent baseline of enemies
which currently is loads of leathernecks
long anchor
@balmy thorn true
hollow laurel
but, well, that's kinda temporary, since will do a final proper balancing/enemy pass when the flow is complete
long anchor
There's building that's literally called artifact storage lol
hollow laurel
heh
balmy thorn
๐
honest stag
lemme just resend my thing real quick because it fits the convo
balmy thorn
Aight
honest stag
hollow laurel
hmmm.... not quite sure.... but is that a toilet?
honest stag
yes
hollow laurel
awesome
balmy thorn
Does it have otherworldly powers?
hollow laurel
toilets are one of the greatest artifacts of the modern age
hollow laurel
well, it does make poop be not in your house
balmy thorn
It disposes of your waste without being hooked up to the piping system.
hollow laurel
that's pretty majick
onyx marten
how can one import selfmade textures into tb?
unique ocean
I think I'm pretty happy with the lighting in this starting room. Just need to add some more details in the build.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613767038481072206/665612317521739807/20200111114234_1.jpg
gritty forge
Neat!
onyx marten
looking good!
hollow laurel
that looks really neat
hmm, self made textures.... there's the wad tool darth zombie did
so you get something that loads nicely into trenchbroom
(which i'll need to use at some point, for secret cat shrine in my map)
which will be a bastard of a secret, no regerts
it'll be centered on zamboni, as in david's cat
barren terrace
hold on, just to be clear, can you add custom textures into dusk
hollow laurel
yep
barren terrace
did someone already make a wad out of dusk's textures and entitties
barren terrace
ok
cosmic copper
does anyone know how to use func_breakable?
onyx marten
@hollow laurel thanks
barren terrace
i'm guessing there's a different method for the entities?
hollow laurel
np, and no clue on those special entities
barren terrace
there's a dumptruck_ds tut i believe
hollow laurel
oh yeah, bread made an updated fgd
it has entity entries that work with dusk
and proper entires for dusk items/enemies
barren terrace
but i don't think dusk supports funk_breakeable
hollow laurel
still a bit jank, but something that helps with that
hollow laurel
no clue, i've seen some people talk about it, but i'm not at that stage
since i'm still trying to finish the layout :p
barren terrace
should draw it out first
cosmic copper
it looks like it is supported, I just need to know the health key
barren terrace
helps me out anyway
hollow laurel
https://discordapp.com/channels/240195284695646209/586508960128040961/665024989543530507 for @lament ore's latest fgd
iron needle
Health key for func_breakable is just "health" iirc
hollow laurel
swoons over senpai
barren terrace
hi dave
onyx marten
i spent so much time now on getting those fucking scientists to spawn in but it just won't work
barren terrace
thanks for the retweet btw
hollow laurel
just have to say, it's amazing how this sdk release basically made loads of people make stuff for your game, and everyone's so nice to each other
balmy thorn
And it's not even officially out yet.
hollow laurel
yep
barren terrace
it's going to elongate the game's life span big time
balmy thorn
Yup
hollow laurel
i've started to source cat pics for cat shrine
barren terrace
tosoth how do you write so fast?
barren terrace
k
balmy thorn
He has mastered the art.
barren terrace
typing cheats
hollow laurel
and i haven't even learned the thing of fingers on those keys with the nothches
it's just muscle memory
which fucks me over whenever i use another keyboard
currently, it's the keyboard at home, and the one at work that i can type quickly on :p
balmy thorn
For some reason whenever I do maps I find myself making "realistic" environments, even though abstract environments are better suited for pure gameplay.
hollow laurel
if i use someone else's laptop, or keyboard, it just goes to shit
i start with thinking about a theme
barren terrace
the fgd and the wad links should get pinned honestly, it's way easer for someone to make it available rather then every person making the same wad and .fgd files
hollow laurel
so, my map started with.... cult church thing
balmy thorn
Same here.
hollow laurel
and, well, it's growing from that
onyx marten
@balmy thorn same
hollow laurel
mind that the fgd is jank as hell
balmy thorn
I'm making a small bayou village.
hollow laurel
works, but not perfect
barren terrace
well yeah the sdk ain't even out yet
hollow laurel
and, i think the devs don't want to be blamed because "gruh entity not perfect" before they finish their proper fgd
because, sadly, so many people are angry shitballs
barren terrace
it's just for the sake of convenience really
barren terrace
don't get me started on the angry shitballs
hollow laurel
during the early alpha stage
also, i am a bit happy with having my meme skybox being a thing
balmy thorn
I think Trenchbroom (and retro games like Dusk) require too much effort for random shitballs to be invested in making maps, so I think the community is in safe hands ๐
balmy thorn
cat attacks Tosoth, is not let out
balmy thorn
Cats are awesome tbh. Got one myself.
balmy thorn
And the best part is that you don't have to walk them.
hollow laurel
so.... 27 years ago
balmy thorn
Yeah, same.
hollow laurel
bismarck does a few annoying things, after thing of being.... locked into abandoned building for three weeks, so traumatized
still love him
alpine depot
im more of a dog guy but cats are rad too
hollow laurel
wrote about it in a twitter reply to david: https://twitter.com/TosothYaKnow/status/1211009936567742464
Twitter
barren terrace
i've had cats in the past and i can say they're kinda fun
hollow laurel
dogs are cool, just that i have issues with how dogs smell
but, co-worker has a dog who's at the office most days
which is great
since, well, helps with my anxiety/stress issues if i can pat doggo a bit
balmy thorn
I grew up with irish wolfhounds at home, lol. Had four of them in total.
hollow laurel
for reference, my cat
balmy thorn
After that we got our first cat ๐
hollow laurel
(i have a few kaiserreich flags up, because they're cool imo)
barren terrace
He looks like the cat i had when i was younger
hollow laurel
well, it's that cat mutt pattern that's decently common
he looks a bit like the first cat we had
barren terrace
sleepy boi
barren terrace
does he try to bite/claw your cables or nah?
hollow laurel
well, not bite/claw
he does lift up and drop cables in my bedroom
because they make a loud noise when they hit the floor
hoary juniper
hollow laurel
o7
barren terrace
technically still related to his mod so no
hoary juniper
Then get back on topic
Anyway
Now that we have Dusk SDK, when are we getting "Big Johns love shack 64"?
hollow laurel
does this qualify? https://twitter.com/TosothYaKnow/status/1215638235449262080
two big john's doing the spagget thing with a map
sharp trail
insta follow
hollow laurel
._.
half dust
************ ERROR ************
No world brushes on line 4
What does it mean!?
Shit, I made my entire map water.
I may be too high.
hollow laurel
hmm, no clue
graceful hinge
Questionne
"New Portal was clipped away"
Could this impact the vis? I legit nearly just tore my hair out over finding all the leaks now I'm just eager to clean up
hollow laurel
hmm, gotten couple of that
when compiling
and checking coords it waw not a leat, was the thing being upset about a broken gate
as in that
fringe nymph
@ancient depot the heck im doing wrong here if i can ask (running as admin dosent run it either obviously)
ancient depot
you wrote makewad twice
ancient depot
hahaha
long anchor
big fun ha ha
fringe nymph
ye quake palette is a joke, every greenish texture is now brownish
barren terrace
anyone making doom e1m1 yet?
sturdy tide
zing
fringe nymph
spiral nexus
also I think someone was remaking Doom levels already
fringe nymph
MrMuffinz does
makewad actually broke some of the files, making them either black and white or just unreadable
all of them marked type "graphic (half-life)" in SLADE
long anchor
I donโt even like doom 2
JAIL JAIL JAIL
please forgive me for this stupid semi-meme that i find funny
gritty forge
Why play Doom 2 when you can play any good quality user made mapset
iron needle
I think I'm the only person in the entire world that likes Doom 2 for the earth levels lol
They're so weird and interesting
barren terrace
can you play music in custom maps?
alpine depot
not yet unfortunately
barren terrace
shame
spiral nexus
I mean Doom 2 has some uncanny and unorthodox levels and it doesn't really add a lot compared to Doom 1
but
Doom 2 has SSG
so like all criticism concerning Doom 2 is automatically nullified
long anchor
and all criticism that appears after this ^ is killed by existence of the revenants
ow wait
alpine depot
archviles are valid though
long anchor
as far as i remember there's not so many pain elementals in plutonia
but there's a plenty of other nice enemies
doom2 0/10 plutonia 11/10
spiral nexus
we're all such boomers
long anchor
nah i'm not
for me it's about a year or less since i completed dooms for the first time
gritty forge
Doom 2 is noteworthy for the SSG and the added monsters
gritty forge
๐ ฑ๏ธake
spiral nexus
Quack
long anchor
quock
gritty forge
shadow warrior
Bees PTSD
gritty forge
I should replay Arcane Dimensions
spiral nexus
let's all experience the true suffering by playing Daikatana
spiral nexus
of digital entertainment
alpine depot
i wish we had a roadmap specifically for what features and additions and fixes are next up for the SDK
long anchor
i think it was "of entertainment software"
long anchor
trello link or jail 
spiral nexus
also yeah I googled and it's pinnacle of entertainment software
long anchor
let's make our own knock off dusk
alpine depot
doosk
long anchor
doo
alpine depot
d
spiral nexus
duck
alpine depot
quack
long anchor
@alpine depot
long anchor
bruzing
alpine depot
bruzing indeed
oh man i just had such a fucking cool idea for my map
how do i make func_rotating work
long anchor
wait until devs implement it ๐
unique ocean
Personally I'm waiting for trigger_hurt for lava
alpine depot
wait FUCK it's not implemented
unique ocean
Func_F
alpine depot
unimplemented func's can go func_suck_mybutt
alpine depot
im glad i could be a part of such a grand contribution to the community
long anchor
me too
alpine depot
we're changing the world
long anchor
also
alpine depot
one letter at a time
long anchor
ok i'm going to jail bed
barren terrace
i was able to access my mod and load up my map but none of my textures seem to be working
long anchor
yes
barren terrace
oh ok
barren terrace
then place it in nmt/local/mymod yes?
long anchor
yes
sharp trail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8JARcKp37w reminding you guys of the fact that this exists
lapis hare
NEON
honest stag
Is that your map?
half dust
Yes
sharp trail
joe talking about grabbin dicks lol
cobalt atlas
f14m3z good shit that looks great
half dust
Thank you
cobalt atlas
Any idea on release date?
because that looks really fucking good looks like a smaller quake map
half dust
Can't say. Still waiting on features to be added to the SDK.
rapid crown
Hey am I right in thinking the Shult made some new tracks for use with maps?
honest stag
It does look great wow
Lol didnt he say something about making music for relaxed mapping
rapid crown
Yeah I'm sure he said on twitter and that he'd put them up on discord?
More ambient stuff I think
onyx marten
so i'm still trying to have some monsters spawn in. i put em on a door which activates when u pick up a key so they could fall into a trigger_teleport but they just float in the air
i need help ๐ฆ
i dont quite understand the lip key, but it seemed to work for me
honest stag
Yo sp that might be a very shit solution but check this out
Put them on a door that goes up when you press the button and the celling is a teleport
So they get pushed into it
half dust
Put them inside a teleporter. One each and trigger the teleporters themselves.
onyx marten
alright thx imma try both
half dust
Oh, that's a pain. I guess we have to wait.
honest stag
Bootleg solutions are still very much working though, like the door thing
mortal narwhal
so does pushing them UP work with doors?
onyx marten
it didnt work for me
mortal narwhal
damn
onyx marten
yeah i'll just have to do a regular lame ass monster closet
onyx marten
i dunno, i had three mobs inside the teleporter closet and one just floated in the air, one was on top of the room and one disappeared
i have no fuckin idea
honest stag
Huh
How about a sudeways door that drops them into a teleport then
Sideways*
There can be a lot of bootleg solutions here i think
onyx marten
i already tried sideways
honest stag
Can you screenshot the thing?
onyx marten
i could try downwards but i'm too exhausted with it, i'll just make a regular closet
sure one moment
this is the version where it should go up
mortal narwhal
does that work?
honest stag
Let me try something
onyx marten
that one didnt work
mortal narwhal
bruh momento
honest stag
lol check this out
1 moment
i have no clue why the fuck this happens but i guess it kinda works
alpine depot
holy shit i just realized what i could do to have a teleporting monster closet thing even with our limitations
wait
nevermind
fuck
i was gonna say "make the trigger_teleport a func_train" but that's not possible
onyx marten
did several spawn in or y did he get telefragged?
onyx marten
maybe im just dumb i dont even get the standard closet to work
honest stag
this is a bootleg thing with a sideway door pushing the guy into a teleport
onyx marten
with that the monsters seem to not get past the door even if it's opened
honest stag
seems to work but now he dies? let me try to fix
honest stag
dood
i fixed it
1 moment
feeling really proud for some reason
why
is my mic on
i turned it off
i'll screenshot the setup
onyx marten
awesome
honest stag
1 sec
alpine depot
how does my lift look?
wait
can you group brushes and make that group a func_train?
honest stag
increase the lip value tho
i have it at 8
if it's not the default
func_train isnt supported yet
iirc
onyx marten
aight imma try it
honest stag
i THINK they gib when the door enters the teleport for some reason?????
so i made the door float above it
and that seems to fix it
onyx marten
oh ok, they gibbed when i tried to recreate it but that may be it
alpine depot
ok i'm just gonna not work on my map until the next update then
honest stag
ye try making sure the tele doesnt touch the door
alpine depot
because i cant do half the stuff i want to do yet
honest stag
dude but what about the BOOTLEGS
also
what are you trying to do with it that func_door cant
just askin
honest stag
ye
alpine depot
a fucking door what
onyx marten
fuckin hell, it works
honest stag
i mean yea
dude who the fuck needs other functions when you have the mighty fucking func_door
it can do anything
onyx marten
thanks a lot ๐
alpine depot
but wait
honest stag
also hey aqua, i think it's better to have the lift button outside of the lift
like on a wall
alpine depot
wait how would func_door make it work then sin-
oh wait
wait no that wouldn't work
honest stag
??? what's wrong
alpine depot
how would i get it to stop at the top?
or actually raise high enough?
wouldn't it just raise a few units since that's how high it is?
OH WAIT
honest stag
the "lip" key determines how far does the thing move pretty sure
honest stag
i dont know how well it works, try upping the value by +1 and other small things
because it borked when i did 50
alpine depot
i'm gonna up it by 100
mortal narwhal
it determines how far it goes BEYOND it's bounding box btw
honest stag
it kinda stopped working when i set it to 50
alpine depot
oh
honest stag
it went in the opposite direction lol
try +1 +2 and so on
also dont forget the button
you can make the lip match the door and make it go up, but i have no clue how would you sync the door and the button
so my advice is to put it on a wall half life style
alpine depot
yeah im doing that now
summer dagger
is there a way to configure the brightness in light entities? im changing the last value in _light and it doesn't seem to be making any difference
honest stag
dont see why light wouldnt work
onyx marten
i think u can still just make a light key which determines it
they seemed to work with different values but im not sure
summer dagger
k cool and in between what values should it be?
summer dagger
i mean like the min and max values for it
onyx marten
colored lighting isnt a thing atm right?
honest stag
i think the hl1bsp has them
i think
i dont know
not sure
because i was launching tfc maps in dusk
and it had colored lighting
like blue red cyan and you know
the usual
honest stag
...what the you mean "low"
alpine depot
100 is a very small value
honest stag
the default tiny value makes it go double it's size
are you sure you didnt go too far
fringe nymph
honest stag
dood i said before
fringe nymph
honest stag
50 broke it basically
try increasing the default value by a tiny bit
alpine depot
oh shit ur right
honest stag
like double it or something
alpine depot
i set it to 1 and it went a lot higher
so 3 maybe?
after that ill just go to like 10 lol
20 or 30 might be just what i need
alpine depot
i think default is 0
honest stag
dude
An offset added to the default movement distance that allows the designer to adjust the amount the door travels. This value can be positive or negative; positive values reduce the distance while negative values increase the distance.
from quake wiki
lol
alpine depot
fuckin w moment
honest stag
"negative value increases the distance"
alpine depot
so a -1 would go even farther
honest stag
i guess so
that's why 50 and 100 make it go by a tiny bit
onyx marten
if i want a button to target multiple entities, do i just have to put ; in between the targets?
honest stag
you can use multimanager
lemme copypase what zombie said
Darth Zombieะัะตัะฐ, ะฒ 14:12
You add your own properties to it, and the name of the property is the targetname of the entity to activate
the value of the property is the time in seconds before it gets activated
Note you also need something else to trigger the multi_manager, it won't activate on its own
for example
"classname" "multi_manager"
"targetname" "my_cool_door"
"door1" "2"
"door2" "2.4"
"door3" "2.6"
the multi_manager thing can be triggered by another trigger
like a button
onyx marten
so i put the multimanager key on the button?
honest stag
no
multi_manager is it's own thing
like an entity
it has it's own targetname, which is what you target with your button
onyx marten
i'm so confused by all this mapping
honest stag
alright lemme try to paraphrase
onyx marten
oh ok thx imma try that
alpine depot
So does this mean that if all of the brushes of my lift are func_door, and I change one of the brush's properties, does that mean it would affect all of them with that change?
honest stag
you CAN make it but you dont have to
like that
you can select the entire lift and give it func_door at once with one targetname
that way you can double click on any brush of the lift and it will select all func_doors that are connected to that brush
alpine depot
OH M YGOD
honest stag
without selecting the shit you dont need
alpine depot
I ENVER
I NEVER REALIZED YOU COULD DO THAT!
and that doesnt just apply to func_door right?
bruhhh
i cant believe how much im learning just from a stupid lift
god bless trenchbroom man, wow
honest stag
yeah it's awesome honestly
alpine depot
and we can even add our own custom entities too with the power of .fgd right?
oh wait i dont think dusk would be able to support those
without custom scripting
honest stag
also to easily select a fuckton of brushes you can just make a huge block that touches everything and then click "select touching" in the edit menu
the block is removed
and the things are selected
onyx marten
so i have the button target the multimanager and i want to activate that weird door to the left of the button plus a couple mobs behind that at the same time
do i just add the targetnames to the multi_manager?
honest stag
yes
onyx marten
as keys?
honest stag
yep
their VALUE will be the time in seconds which they'll activate after
at least that's how it should work
honest stag
dont forget that it should have it's own "targetname" key
so the button can target it
graceful hinge
just realised we dont have the 'you arent supposed to be here, go away' texture ;w;
onyx marten
it kinda worked
onyx marten
sadly mobs wont see me if theres a 36 unit tall brush between us
so i'm almost done with this map. it still isn't really polished and i'm unsure about enemy placement/count but i'd love to hear some criticism about the map overall if u wanna play it ๐
honest stag
i'll give it a go my man
onyx marten
nice
honest stag
the books could probably be laying down lol
onyx marten
yup i tried to rotate em but they didnt and i thought fuck it lol
honest stag
use "angles" key
not "angle" i think?
it's a value of "x -y -z"
which are numbers obs
obv*
honest stag
wow damn this map is big
onyx marten
u think so? i dunno its supposed to be the introductary level to this crappy storyline i came up with
onyx marten
eh
honest stag
nvm found it
honest stag
i like it a lot actually
like a lot a lot
i do think that the level is pretty tight in ammo for the first couple minutes
had to use up my sickles a lot
not a downside tho
honest stag
i would add some more detail work in some areas though probably - some corridors look a bit empty unless that's the look you want
onyx marten
was it obvious what the place is supposed to be?
yeah i definetely need some more detail
onyx marten
nah it's supposed to be a hospital
honest stag
ohhh damn
didnt think that cuz the rooms inside look you know
like apartments, not hospital rooms
with beer and stuff
onyx marten
so it kinda has to be empty but im not sure. yeah they do texture wise i think, the beers only in the players room cuz he likes to drink lol
although i just realized that it doesnt really fit what i had in mind story wise
honest stag
i like it still
kinda felt creeped out by a morgue in what i thought to be an apartment complex
alpine depot
think the lift is tall enough?
2776 units tall
there's gonna be some ceiling doors that open up into an even bigger area chock-full of enemies
honest stag
ye looks alright
there probably isn't a "correct" height for a lift lol
alpine depot
bone monks, and boneballs and welders and whatnot
honest stag
they are all different yknow
alpine depot
i shall nickname it the bone zone
onyx marten
haha yeah that would actually be more creepy
alpine depot
or mr bones wild ride
onyx marten
anyway thanks for checking it out, appreciate it!
honest stag
np my man
alpine depot
man i cant wait to be able to add music and other effects into my maps
and colored lights
honest stag
yeah all maps will be muuuch better once those are actual things
honest stag
eyyy congrats
the mighty door saves the day
alpine depot
you can turn on lights with buttons and all that right? (and turn off (but mainly turn on))
or is that not supported yet
honest stag
uhhhh i think it might be possible but i dont know
honest stag
i'm sure there is a bootleg solution here
onyx marten
i tried it but it didnt work
honest stag
cant think of one though
alpine depot
i'll just func_door it
onyx marten
lol
honest stag
like remember in quake e1m1 when you press a button and light turns on?
how did that work again?
lament ore
DooM 2 has absolute fucking dogshit level design
honest stag
i cant really say that i even remember doom 2's level design being anything special
people say it sucks or it's cool
i just.. dont even have an opinion on it
torpid agate
I donโt like it.
honest stag
just..... levels
onyx marten
i always mix up doom 1 and 2 and then realize most of what i remember is from doom 1
torpid agate
Doom 1 level design is dank
onyx marten
but i got into these boomer shooters a bit late
i despise a lotta games i played before since then
lament ore
Half-Life and Mario 64 were my first games at age 4 lololol
and by golly I'm still playing them to this day
honest stag
My first was serious sam TFE at 5
God that game scared the living shit out of me sometimes
onyx marten
my first was ut2003 and dungeon siege. when i got 6 i played doom 3 and i dont know if that was a good thing
alpine depot
let's ask the sdk gods themselves
lament ore
I don't think switching lights on and off is supported yet no. not sure how that works even in HL tbh
I played UT99 at like 5 and saw that Renaissance painting of a naked lady on the wall in one of the maps and was like :O
honest stag
Push a candle into a teleport which lead to a small platform on the celling for quality lighting :)
I'n not sorry
onyx marten
i dont recall ever coming across that painting lol
honest stag
Candles and func_door can do literally anything for you
alpine depot
wait how did you make the func_door vending machine
is it an actual vending machine?
honest stag
Bottle stands on a func door and against a wall
Below it is a teleport
Button pressed - bottle falls - bottle teleports
Voila
alpine depot
func_door literally can do everything for you
honest stag
Exactly
lament ore
honest stag
i dont get it :)
onyx marten
lol yea me neither
torpid agate
Python bad
I replaced the soldier death noise with the blue soldier death noise from wolf3d and I love it.
Also dusk dude has commander keens pain/death noise
lament ore
y'all too young
onyx marten
i guess thats it
is adding vertices only possible on the side of a brush, not on top or bottom?
honest stag
...huh i never wondered that
onyx marten
it doesnt seem to be
mortal narwhal
@onyx marten I like the atmosphere of the level, the one thing that could really help it is making it clear which doors are openable and what key goes to what door
like this perhaps
onyx marten
thanks you. yeah i struggled with not having enough door textures. but that picture's actually a pretty good idea, thanks
mortal narwhal
absolutely, cant wait to see the map develop
alpine depot
what's supported by a multi_manager? doors, right?
wait what am i talking about
i forgot my lift is a func_door
and that's triggered by the-
ok different question
why arent my two other func_doors opening in a multi_manager i have set up?
balmy jetty
loving church2 vrsika
honest stag
oh wow someone actually played it lol
thank you
balmy jetty
i actually have a yt video of it. id love to try any more new levels WIP or not
honest stag
oh dude i would love to watch that
alpine depot
is anything wrong here?
balmy jetty
balmy jetty
ive been playing new maps and then nbclip'ing at the end to look around it
honest stag
huh wow alright then
hm lemme see
also
have you set the spawnflag "dont link"?
on the 2 doors
that could help
balmy jetty
@honest stag one thing that has been pissing me off on church v2 is when you crawl thru the jail cell and into the tunnel, i hear a rat but cant find it
and im pretyt sure thats why i only get 19/20 kills
honest stag
sometimes monsters fall through the ground/go up a floor
lament ore
everybody send yer maps if you want me to record and play em
honest stag
for no reason
balmy jetty
is there a rat that clips oo or something
alpine depot
yeah you have to space them out a bit if that happens
balmy jetty
maybe just put the rat there outside the cell or somewhere else because it happens everytime in that location
alpine depot
i have a horde of rats and one horror chilling above my map currently
honest stag
man i really wanted it to be in that small tunnel :(
alpine depot
alright that spawnflag didnt work
onyx marten
@balmy jetty @lament ore if u wanna give my map a go, go ahead. recorded or not
honest stag
i dont know why but someone 100%ing my level feel so surreal
balmy jetty
poolboyq: id love to and record but i will by all means not if you dont want me to. i just like to play them and then nbclip and show off the layout
or if you want me to make video in a couple of days when you work on it more. either way id love to see it now
well i didnt fuggin 100% it because that stankin rat ๐
onyx marten
yup, the one im uploading is very slightly changed, for the better probably
balmy jetty
kk
lament ore
o ok
onyx marten
honest stag
i have it uploaded on moddb btw but i'll send it
summer dagger
yea bro send it again n ill play it too
honest stag
i hope this is the correct version
onyx marten
@balmy jetty sure go ahead and record it, i'd be really interested in seeing someone play it
balmy jetty
cool
honest stag
...the fucking toilets are backwards because euler is going to be removed
oh my fucking god lol
god damnit
onyx marten
actually i have rhis other one that isnt really finished but if anyones interested... was my first try
honest stag
sure i'll give it a go
alpine depot
i'll drop the current version of my map here when i figure out why the damn doors aint working lol
summer dagger
yesss keep sending maps
im gonna record my playthrough for all of them and ill post them in case you wanna see how someone new to the map would play it
dark star
so is mapmaking in trenchbroom ez if i never done it before?
summer dagger
yeah dude
honest stag
poolboy my man
those candles
it's too much
my fps drops to like 20 when i look that way
balmy jetty
@onyx marten im really digging the hospital. give me an hour or so and ill do the video. im finding all the secrets and gotta eat something
but hey are 4/4 secrets actual possible? just want to make sure before i go hunting as ive seen some user made maps that say they have more secrets than there are
err 3 i mean
summer dagger
@dark star even if you dont have any prior experience you should be able to make basic stuff in like a day or less
honest stag
@onyx marten that second map is fucking sick btw
dark star
a map with walls and ceilings and objects in rooms is ok?
onyx marten
just played church, i actually watched an older video of relo on it so i knew half of it but i really like it
honest stag
ey thanks
onyx marten
i'm digging that skeleton after the first room
honest stag
lol yeah i'm proud of mr bones
onyx marten
how did u make it that u not collide with mr bones?
barren terrace
how many maps are out yet?
honest stag
func_illusionary
quite a bit, most of them are only in here tho
seems like not a lot of people upload their stuff to moddb sadly
dark star
so all these funcs are scripts that are attached to objects?
balmy jetty
nm i found all 3
barren terrace
do we have adatabase
honest stag
check dumptruck_ds's tutorial on youtube, they give some amazing and simple explanations @dark star
barren terrace
i'd love to play some dusk maps
dark star
will do thanks
summer dagger
the tutorial is pinned i think
onyx marten
@balmy jetty @honest stag thanks!
honest stag
you'll have to look for them sadly :P
i have quite a bit saved tho
dark star
id love to make some maps when i get free from jobhunting
onyx marten
@honest stag weird, i didnt have any framerate drops there but i for some reason had em at the end of ur map
onyx marten
but i also doubled the amount of candles recently, i may undo that lol
honest stag
at the end of my map?
onyx marten
yup
honest stag
that's weird, shouldnt be happening to anyone