fuck this
#dusk-modding
nimble prawn
eternal spear
whats the problem with that lol
worldly aspen
guys, I am so sorry but I have to be the one to give you the bad news.
Dusk HD isn't coming out 2021 😦
plush hemlock
last lion
??
crude ferry
Its just been a few years since I touched anything like that.
last lion
tbf bsp tools like hammer, radiant, or jack are a bit tough to use
but it's just quake 1 mapping. you can work in full 3d with trenchbroom
& ericw-tools, the compiler for quake .maps, has a barebones tool for previewing .bsps
muted glacier
Dusk HD isn't coming out 2021 😦
Was almost outraged, but I already was in 2021 😭
ancient monolith
cancel 2021 now
quaint heath
Dusk HD isn't coming out 2021 😦
dude you gotta wait for corporate to prepare black text on yellow background announcement W T F
garumin man you're a loose cannon!
crisp raven
The New Blood Entertainment ltd.™️ team has always had delivering quality gameplay experiences and interactive engaging worlds as its mission. Unfortunately we aren't able to deliver that level of quality in time for the 2021 deadline. We will be reflecting deeply on our internal processes and trying to come up with more sustainable dynamic solutions in the future for delivering the kind of experiences and stories we want to tell. Hopefully it is worth the wait. Sorry to any fans who were let down by the delays.............................
crisp raven
Not being released on workshop because workshop is delayed again 😞
bold orbit
muted glacier
Wait. I'm having a r/whoosh moment. Did it actually get delayed again?
honest stag
not coming anytime soon
blissful lion
dusk coop, just a day away
stone nimbus
In the time I have been waiting for dusk coop to release I finished highschool, and nearly all 4 years of my computer science degree, and learned to implement multiplayer into games myself.
I don't think it's coming
SOON TM since 2018
ancient depot
Coop hasn't even entered development, it's always just been something we'll do when everything else is done
ancient depot
It would be extremely complicated to do it through Unity modding
heady osprey
Yeah true
I forgot you use unity ☠️
When is Dusk HD?!??!?! Its December 10th/11
😴
ancient monolith
I don't think it's coming
Just make it yourself tbh
gritty forge
When is Dusk HD?!??!?! Its December 10th/11
December 11th, like the announcement said
heady osprey
Nah i thought it was the 10th
💀
and its the 11th in Australia
Gotta wait till trmw for America
true basalt
and its the 11th in Australia
Same boat here man
crisp raven
Should release at about 6pm est
true basalt
Thats 7am in Perth I think
honest stag
i legit cant believe it's almost here. it's been 5 years since the first sdk release and we're finally getting the workshop
crazy how much my life changed since then lol
i think i first found out about dusk when it was given out in keys, but didnt have discord so i had no idea how you could get your hands on it
watched some youtuber play a preview of it, bought it as soon as it came out of early access
true basalt
Dusk got me back into boomer shooters and got me to play through the entirety of classic doom and quake. I have no regrets.
honest stag
insane how some little custom maps got me into making games
cursive brook
Should release at about 6pm est
ahh darn I am working from home today and was hyped to play it, but I guess ill have to wait for my shift to end now lol
gritty forge
ello
carmine root
so...
could i please have an explication on how to get dusk hd, the activities on the dusk menu of steam doesn't show how to enable it plus, i'm no computer guy TwT
honest stag
it's not released yet
carmine root
they said december 11
honest stag
hd dropped it seems
bold orbit
Lmao
bold orbit
Lol
bold orbit
The STATE OF #dusk-modding
eternal spear
we MIGHT be back
bold orbit
We ARE back
still raptor
https://steamcommunity.com/app/519860/workshop/
eternal spear
Download the dlc
eternal spear
It's a launch option
half dust
My map crashed the game T-T
soft bane
kekw
high magnet
Finally
still raptor
LIGHT STYLES BAYBEE
high magnet
I can die happy
honest stag
oh my god hell yea
soft bane
finaly quake light flickering in dusk!
honest stag
i fucking love the quake sky support
it's so nice to have
no more static ass cubes
eternal spear
does this mean i would have to do skyboxes differently now or is it just a texture thing?
still raptor
you dont have to change the way you do them
honest stag
submitting
still raptor
oh also water wont be fucked up now
honest stag
НЕ ЧИСЛО
wet marlinBOT
@honest stag, please keep all discussions in English.
honest stag
ok bot sorry
tight hedge
do the textures for the old maps work?
still raptor
lol thats interesting
tight hedge
or do they need conversion like I heard some talking about before
still raptor
guess my ruski support needs work
still raptor
give it a second to show up
still raptor
there it is
tight hedge
vriska fastest as always
honest stag
i had this shit on the ready lmao
half dust
Allot of the props are missing and some of the textures are weird
tight hedge
also do we have particles?
tight hedge
half dust
Enemies still can't go through doors
honest stag
interesting, you're not supposed to pick up the sword there i think?
or i have dementia
still raptor
you might want to reupload though
honest stag
one of the two
tight hedge
Enemies still can't go through doors
just how navmesh works
honest stag
reupload? whats up
honest stag
Huh
tight hedge
no xml?
still raptor
yeah i have a feeling it has to do with the [unknown] author
not sure why thats happening
honest stag
i did put
Vriska (Level), Veven (Enemy textures)
as the author
still raptor
ah that might be breaking it? not sure
tight hedge
can I get some help on how to add fog to my lvl before upload :D
still raptor
im not sure if the fog is setup yet? please read the announcement for more information
honest stag
can i change one file without reuploading the entire map?
still raptor
the dusk sdk is going to get a major update in the coming few weeks
tldr: we didnt finish in time and shipped a half finished version
honest stag
or how specifically do u like, patch a map
still raptor
can i change one file without reuploading the entire map?
im going to be adding this feature to the uploader soon
honest stag
ah got it
still raptor
didnt have time to do that
honest stag
as long as it's not horribly broken i'll just wait
honest stag
im thinking like
this is not technically using the workshop subscribe thing
but rather the old "put the mod in the folder" method
im gonna remove that, sub to my own mod, and try again
dusk still not responding
still raptor
yeah jsut close it then
it didnt crash for me though, so its probably just a one off
stone nimbus
Just make it yourself tbh
I made a whole new game instead
honest stag
alr second attempt
half dust
The aforementioned weirdness
half dust
Also transparent textures are no longer transparent.
honest stag
uhhhh
that aint supposed to look like that lol
the borders
the button sound gave me a jumpscare. i knew it was coming and i still forgor
OH MY GOD
my spike trap that i made out of func_doors
makes the dusk door open sound
i totally forgot to set this stuff up in preparation
lmao
half dust
Just heard the button press on my map too POG
honest stag
yea i figure this might be a palette thing too
still raptor
we'll have to work on that
honest stag
ok so it seems to affect textures that come from one specific wad i have
lemme grab it in case you'll need it
still raptor
my guess is its the palette, but im not sure
honest stag
still raptor
it might also have something to do with last minute fullbright changes we made
we were doing builds until 8am lol
when zombie wakes up im sure he can fix it
still raptor
im not sure whats up with that, this was working fine yesterday lol
i played through your whole map
so itd be a last second change we made
has to be a fullbright thing
tired gull
guy the water is solid in my map, also there are no trees
half dust
Yeah lol
still raptor
water has been majorly overhauled
half dust
I hadn't checked the water yet
still raptor
i would suggest redoing water volumes accordingly in your maps
it was broken and wrong before
still raptor
i am taking notes though, and we'll work on the issues quickly
gritty forge
Thank you mister 500 🙏
tired gull
how do we do water now? im just using func_water
honest stag
Alright so
seem to be a couple issues with my next map
but they're minor
Ok the water isnt broke
n
time to upload
half dust
How did you get your water working?
honest stag
actually wait no that's not a water brush
nvm
i just forgot i made fake water in my map lol
crisp raven
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3111686939&searchtext= 😀 (Too afraid to play it and see that literally everything is broken)
crisp raven
All good
still raptor
you can use liquid textures for water now
crisp raven
Help God is staring down at me from a dark uncaring sky
still raptor
like quake does
sharp portal
Okay I don't know if this is exclusive to Tomb Terror, but quicksavling/quickloading kind of breaks the level
honest stag
aye just try to do it in one sitting
honest stag
there's a reason ive been making all my maps short lmao
crisp raven
Also the transparency doesn't work. Also the framerate is worse?
still raptor
please understand that this version is NOT the actual final version
transparency of what
youll have to be specific
sharp portal
i think there should probably be some sort of warning for saves and stuff until it's fixed
crisp raven
transparency of what
The transparency of textures
still raptor
there is a forthcoming version of this in a few weeks that is a completely different version of the game
still raptor
The transparency of textures
more specific
crisp raven
Those tree textures are supposed to be transparent but they are solid black where once there was transparency
still raptor
hm ok
crisp raven
(we're up to some tomfoolery 😈 )
still raptor
because its not ALL transparency, it seems to be specific transparencies
honest stag
by the way НЕ ЧИСЛО means "not a number"
wet marlinBOT
@honest stag, please keep all discussions in English.
honest stag
yea yea fuck off bot
still raptor
yeah i know it does, its dividing by zero there
anyways, if you dusk mappers can compile your issues, maybe in a google doc or something
that would be hugely helpful
honest stag
aye actually sounds good
still raptor
and if you can link references to the map its encounted in that will help us fix it
most of this is probably very simple fixes
crisp raven
Oh man I forget. What's the launch options to skip the start up movie?
blissful lion
so hows the state of the sdk guys
still raptor
we're working through the issues
crisp raven
so hows the state of the sdk guys
still raptor
this is only a temporary version
we had to delay the full version by a few weeks
we basically slapped the new bsp loader in the old version
honest stag
crisp raven
Why that seems like a funny joke whoever did that
tardy trout
how do you make custom maps for dusk
still raptor
the same way you would for quake or half life basically
honest stag
so
could we have the quake skies disabled if the map has skybox sides specified?
still raptor
probably?
honest stag
i imagine ppl would use one or the other
cuz i need that sunny sky of mine but dont want to you know
remove sky brushes
also water seems to work fine in trespasser
so that's good
still raptor
@crisp raven do you mind adding your transparency issue to that doc
plain hare
source games maps are compatible?
plain hare
it says it has partial support
half dust
It is on the workshop https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3111704209
honest stag
eyyyyyyy nice
goin through all maps giving a thumbs up because im not biased at all
not gonna jump the gun on making a new map before the full full sdk is out
but gonna concept one for sure
this time - proper length
no more compromise for broken saves!!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU DELETED THE TEST MAP
it shall forever live in our hearts
still raptor
source games maps are compatible?
yes actually, but only partially
it will load the map, but without textures, and many missing components
the big one is it wont load displacements
crisp raven
<@748224951886282853> do you mind adding your transparency issue to that doc
Im going through and documenting things I encounter. I'll add to it a little later
still raptor
kk thanks so much
honest stag
alr i think im done, gonna go through my stuff too and see what's broken
alpine depot
all my levels are up on the workshop :)
except for one but im lazy so
shoutout to steam having 2mb fucking png limits in 2023
plain hare
it will load the map, but without textures, and many missing components
How do you load the maps? I tried to put hl2 bsp files, but it doesnt detect them
still raptor
How do you load the maps? I tried to put hl2 bsp files, but it doesnt detect the...
its possible theres an issue, its highly experimental, it should work the same way other bsp maps do
honest stag
so how do you patch the map? like is there a way or a takedown-reupload is needed
tired gull
im still on the water issue, tried watertex and water_f1 both with func_water and regular brush but its still solid
do we need to prevent leaks like in quake maps?
still raptor
im still on the water issue, tried watertex and water_f1 both with func_water an...
are you sure you dont have an overlapping brush or something?
tired gull
oh its overlapping like crazy in here
honest stag
oh wait im stupid i didnt upload the wrong map
still raptor
im still on the water issue, tried watertex and water_f1 both with func_water an...
for now youll have to takedown-reupload until we add the feature for patching, OR you can use a third party uploader
nimble prawn
uh-oh i just uplloaded one of my maps with ladders broken
so diligent of you to follow the standards of base dusk maps 
honest stag
nvm thank god
plain hare
its possible theres an issue, its highly experimental, it should work the same w...
Turns out, i skipped something in the tutorial on how to load maps
My bad
half dust
Door opening downwards dragged me through the floor
honest stag
oh that's a classic bug aint it
it was like a workaround for platforms, touching a moving brush translates the momentum onto you
or smth of that sort
tropic plaza
Is there any updated version of the .FGD? How do I need to config Trenchbroom to make maps for DUSK now?
honest stag
the one in pins works for now
but there should be a proper official one later down the road
it's technically missing the newest features from the update though
prolly not gonna bother to update it since the full-full sdk is right around the corner
chrome hornet
Here is probably better place to ask 🙂 Will the SDK thats coming be like a map editor or will you need to use some external tools?
half dust
My water just moved when I threw a switch that opened an under water door
honest stag
Here is probably better place to ask 🙂 Will the SDK thats coming be like a map ...
external tools
the current recommended one would be Trenchbroom
but you can use many others that work with .bsp
half dust
One of my secret triggers is solid lol
honest stag
can i take a quick look at your .map?
if you want i can try to run through some fixes and match/compare what you did to the way i do it in my maps
since stuff mostly works in mine maybe i could lend a hand
half dust
can i take a quick look at your .map?
My map?
tired gull
new bug, boss healthbar doesnt appear
honest stag
btw guys
tired gull
and my water is still fucked, which sucks because it blocks progression
honest stag
put your issues with the sdk maps into this doc
documenting this stuff will help fix it
tired gull
sure
carmine root
i downloaded the update and i don't know what to do to play dusk hd
no options in the game
carmine root
i don't have the dusk hd popup
honest stag
np
still raptor
@half dust do you mind adding your issues to vriska's document?
thorn oasis
i've got some experience (made a single map not even a month ago) with half life mapping, and now i wanna throw my hand at making a dusk map since the workshop is out. i see it's mostly the same since dusk can just read HL bsps, but is there literally any documentation outside of this single channel? a wiki, a forum, anything? discord search is a nightmare
thorn oasis
thank god
honest stag
dont quote me on that tho
generally you just make maps the same way you do for half life/quake
with a couple dusk specific quirks here and there
thorn oasis
yeah i've already ran into some of those lol
do clip brushes not work? or is there just a different way to make them
honest stag
they do, func_clip works
thorn oasis
oh okay, i was just assigning the clip texture to the brush and the compiler handles the rest
honest stag
ye the func_clip is an example of the quirk
still raptor
yeah we will be releasing full wiki documentation at some point soonish
its all very WIP
still raptor
oh okay, i was just assigning the clip texture to the brush and the compiler han...
this should work too?
maybe
i forget honestly
thorn oasis
yeah ive got no idea why im just passing through
still raptor
if it works that way in HL
thorn oasis
even with func_clip
honest stag
that's weird yea, not supposed to be happening
actually
i just tested a map of mine where i had a working clip brush
lemme see how i did it there
ok well i did in in the hyper stupid way of literally making it an invisible func_wall
thorn oasis
okay yeah thats what i was thinking of doing
honest stag
i think there was some other purpose behind me doing it like that instead of func_clip not working
thorn oasis
if clip doesn't work
obsidian lily
is there like a list on what half life entities become when put on dusk
honest stag
there was actually, gonna look around
ah fuck i rememberd it's on the old dev wiki
that got bot raided all the time
dunno if that's still up
honest stag
yea guess it's gone then unless you can waybackmachine it
i remember putting them in myself
also just checked
func clip seems to work on my end
thorn oasis
weird
honest stag
but it needs to have a normal texture
thorn oasis
oohhhh
honest stag
that's what it was i rememberd
thorn oasis
i dont have file permissions so just pretend i sent a screenshot of my custom heisenbug clip texture
rip walter white
honest stag
lmao
thorn oasis
anyway does dusk support sprites how half life handles them at all?
i made an HL deathmatch port of doom e1m1 that im modifying to just be a regular port to dusk (easier than starting from scratch), and i used sprites for the lamps and such like where doom had them
thorn oasis
that too, did a search for the word skybox in here and saw i need to add individual sky_direction keys in trenchbroom, pointing to a png, but that doesn't seem to be working
honest stag
that was an explanation on how to make sunlight work
you can currently use either quake skyboxes (the easiest method by far please do it that way) or the dusk way
i can put the dusk skybox copypasta here
gimme a sec
you need to add some worldspawn properties (worldspawn is what u see when u dont have anything selected)
a total of 6, for each side of the sky cube
and add the side textures to your mod folder
so it would look like this
"sky_up" "textures/skybox_top.png"
"sky_down" "textures/skybox_stars_bottom.png"
"sky_left" "textures/skybox_left.png"
"sky_right" "textures/skybox_right.png"
"sky_back" "textures/skybox_stars_back.png"
"sky_front" "textures/skybox_stars_front.png"
the file names are anything obviously
obsidian lily
https://dusk.fandom.com/wiki/Enemies this talks about an entities.txt file but i can't find it
thorn oasis
i know in half life the names of the skybox textures mattered, but since you're telling the game exactly what texture is what direction, it shouldn't matter, right?
honest stag
yea
chrome hornet
the current recommended one would be Trenchbroom
Is there any documentation on how to use the DUSK assets in trench?
honest stag
Is there any documentation on how to use the DUSK assets in trench?
you can get the .fgd file in the pins
honest stag
my hospital boss is working
HELL YEA
blissful lion
also the item pickup stuff works
honest stag
the instructions are there aslo
blissful lion
but for some reason the eyes broke
like the func wall toggle doesnt want to go away?
thorn oasis
you need to add some worldspawn properties (worldspawn is what u see when u dont...
unless there's a typo im missing, it's not working? https://i.imgur.com/wbUuafJ.png
blissful lion
but i didnt try saving yet so idk about that
still raptor
ok news from zombie
its your wad
you used the fullbright pixels in the quake palette in your textures
so they are fullbright
honest stag
ah fuck
obsidian lily
Is there a way to make dusk maps on J.A.C.K using its textures?
still raptor
yes
thorn oasis
that should be working
well it's pitch black
what if i just made a giant box around my map with the textures manually assigned :trol:
honest stag
im running on like 3 hours of sleep waiting for workshop lmao so im gonn have to hit the bed imminently
blissful lion
we should have a setting in worldspawn to edit if you want those fullbright pixels
honest stag
wish i could known about the wad thing but oh well
still raptor
he said if you use wad3 iit wont happen
honest stag
hmmm maybe i cant just convert that wad to wad3 then
can*
shouldnt be a problem hopefully?
ancient depot
Ok I checked and it looks like using a wad in general will stop it from happening (though that isn't intentional)
honest stag
btw it's loading wads from the mod folder still right
ancient depot
I'll fix that
Yeah
Basically if the BSP file is in Quake format, the last 32 colours of the palette will be full bright
honest stag
Ok I checked and it looks like using a wad in general will stop it from happenin...
huh i do have that texture wad in the folder though
lime quiver
how do i activate dusk HD
ancient depot
If it's in Half Life format, that only happens if the texture name starts with uh... [ I think?
Some symbol
thorn oasis
how do i activate dusk HD
free dlc on steam
lime quiver
free dlc on steam
yeah i got that part, where do you activate in game? Or is it something else
thorn oasis
its a launch option
thorn oasis
click play on steam
press play and it should pop up
lime quiver
tyty
haughty slate
honest stag
use the guide in pins
tepid python
is there a changelog of what has changed between this release and the beta
ancient depot
do clip brushes not work? or is there just a different way to make them
Clip brushes will work of you use ericw-tools and compile with -wrbrushes. Normally clip brushes are only in the secondary clipping hulls which dusk doesn't use (because it can't, those hulls require using the BSP for collision)
You may need to grab the latest preview build of ericw-tools because I'm not sure if it's in the current stable
thorn oasis
ah i've been using zhlt, should i switch?
ancient depot
If possible yeah
ancient depot
Basically wrbrushes embeds the original brushes from your map in the BSP like how Source and Quake 2 do, and marks which ones are clip brushes, water brushes, etc
ancient depot
no fog just yet
tight hedge
Particles?
ancient depot
we have code for particles but it didn't make it in for this build
ancient depot
https://github.com/ericwa/ericw-tools/releases/ ?
yeah, 2.0.0-alpha4 should have it
tight hedge
Is it gonna be like entities you place and then reference a particle type?
thorn oasis
after exporting the map, what order do i run the tools?
ancient depot
Yeah. There are json files describing particles, and you'll place something like a func_particle which references that file and plays the particle when you trigger it
ancient depot
after exporting the map, what order do i run the tools?
qbsp -wrbrushes file.map file.bsp then light file.bsp
tight hedge
And will we get like spawn count and speed and size parameters?
ancient depot
yup
tight hedge
ancient depot
even things like gibs and weapon casings are particles
so you'll be able to customize those
ancient depot
so
could we have the quake skies disabled if the map has skybox sides specified?
that's actually what's supposed to happen lmao
tight hedge
Also can you get the ”new” weapon in the base game? Or is it just for SDK?
ancient depot
No plans to put it in the base game for now
tight hedge
Fair enough, would be cool for a secret somewhere but I get that it would be out of place esp since the maps havent accounted for it
ancient depot
Yeah it's a little OP lol
honest stag
Post the full window
thorn oasis
If possible yeah
aside from the clip brush thing, what reasons are there exactly for using ericw compared to zhlt? quickly testing the lighting is way darker and has no color (which makes sense, it is for quake lol)
ancient depot
I guess for now I'll disable fullbrights too just so we can come up with a way to make it opt-in without making original quake maps look weird
ancient depot
aside from the clip brush thing, what reasons are there exactly for using ericw ...
ericw is just what I initially chose to recommend and it kinda stuck lol
there's ongoing work to add zhlt compatibility to ericw-tools
can be seen here https://github.com/ericwa/ericw-tools/pull/386
tired gull
adding new bug to the doc, keycards dont glow anymore
half dust
How do we cast sunlight now if we're using clip brushes?
obsidian lily
Also can you get the ”new” weapon in the base game? Or is it just for SDK?
it's in dusk hd
On a secret
obsidian lily
Would it be possible to add info_player_deathmatch entities as spawns so hldm maps work
thorn oasis
is there a way to add billboard sprites at all?
like on the map, like an env_sprite in half life
ancient depot
Would it be possible to add info_player_deathmatch entities as spawns so hldm ma...
those should already exist
the game searches for info_player_start, then info_player_deathmatch, then info_player_teamspawn, then info_landmark
and if none of those exist you spawn at 0,0,0
obsidian lily
Thats weird because i loaded a dm map and it just killed me
thorn oasis
was 0,0,0 inside a brush or something?
ancient depot
that map might have an info_player_start somewhere with a hurt trigger
thorn oasis
speaking of bugs, last i checked explosive barrels are supposed to deal damage to you
ancient depot
brush explosive barrels or prop explosive barrels?
func_breakable is kinda half implemented there, it doesn't support explodemagnitude currently
ancient depot
Hmm, that's strange. Will look into it
ancient depot
Pretty much any resources related to Quake or Half-Life mapping will apply
There's also some guides on Steam
still raptor
We'll do wiki documentation at a later date
ancient depot
(Fun little bonus: the SDK can load Source engine, Quake 2, Daikatana, Quake 3, etc, maps, if you want to experiment a bit. Just don't expect it to load materials and textures for them lol)
soft bane
ah ok
ancient depot
(Find a BSP it can't load and you get a cookie)
obsidian lily
(Fun little bonus: the SDK can load Source engine, Quake 2, Daikatana, Quake 3, ...
Source engine? Can it do displacements?
soft bane
A COOKIE!
honest stag
Kingpin support? No? Im gonna get mad on steam forums
ancient depot
Nah it doesn't do displacements, I'm insane but not that insane
Kingpin maps should load
obsidian lily
lmao
ancient depot
We'll be open sourcing all the SDK stuff eventually so I mean, I'd totally accept a pull request from a crazy person that supports displacements
soft bane
but yea i think ima wait for a wiki and than get going
obsidian lily
Any way to add the games music to the levels?
ancient depot
there's trigger_changemusic which takes a path to an audio file, and you can also set the music key on worldspawn to the same thing
So if your mod contains a music folder, and it has penis_music.wav inside it, you can set music to music/penis_music.wav
obsidian lily
Does dusk have the sound file limitations that half life has
ancient depot
nope
thorn oasis
(Find a BSP it _can't_ load and you get a cookie)
damn you weren't lying, grabbed some bsps from csgo and it worked. everything was broken but the map loaded
ancient depot
.wav, .ogg and .flac are supported
honest stag
Man that's fucking crazy lol
obsidian lily
Will try it out with running with evil
thorn oasis
my first thought was cs2 but damn you valve for moving to vpks
gritty forge
How do i add props into my level? or access the Dusk stuff since i have the textures but no clue where to access props and other stuff
ancient depot
cs2 doesn't use bsp anymore
thorn oasis
How do i add props into my level? or access the Dusk stuff since i have the text...
dusk fgd in the pins
obsidian lily
(Fun little bonus: the SDK can load Source engine, Quake 2, Daikatana, Quake 3, ...
hey it would be cool to have hl2 entities become dusk entities since it supports source
ancient depot
I'll probably save that for when custom entities can be defined, then all of the game aliases won't be hardcoded
It'd be funny tho
gritty forge
dusk fgd in the pins
Worked, thank you very much (and crew for providing the pin)
livid citrus
from the Outdated DUSK SDK Guide
disclaimer: this guide sucks. join .gg/newblood, wait for SDK update which will likely ship with a better guide```
Is there already a better gide?I'll make the advisors soap and then implement all of the entities necessary to play their scripted sequences
obsidian lily
I'll make the advisors soap and then implement all of the entities necessary to ...
Good
Any plans for func_vehicle support?
ancient depot
I knew that would come up eventually 
I'll consider it for a future update, it's like the most requested entity
for memes or otherwise
obsidian lily
Of course
thorn oasis
if i cant make a shitty knockoff newblood kart inside dusk then whats even the point
tropic plaza
I tried using the ping .fgd but there some things missing, or maybe I'm just doing something wrong
obsidian lily
If i make a trigger_changelevel but not add another level to it will it end the level then kick the player back to the menu?
ancient depot
it probably should, but I think right now it'll put you on the escape screen (basically what happens when the game tries to load a level that doesn't exist)
I might add trigger_endgame or something later
obsidian lily
add a point entity to end levels too
So you could do level ends with triggers
from stuff like buttons
ancient depot
You can actually do that already with trigger_changelevel
or, should be able to, it's implemented like a hybrid brush and point entity
so if you give it a targetname and trigger it with something else the level should end
obsidian lily
Ah okay
still raptor
@honest stag @half dust @crisp raven etc, new build is live
rapid crown
Loading a Quake 2 map into dusk, will the game accept .wal files or will they need converted? And where do they go?
still raptor
no fullbrights, we'll come up with a way to expose that feature later
func_water is no longer solid
bosses should work now```Quake 2 support is a bit preliminary right now, I don't think there's a way to get textures loading in general there yet (which is why it's not advertised)
wal is not supported
rapid crown
Ah okay thanks
ancient depot
Quake 2 is a bit of an annoying one because the BSP doesn't store texture sizes, so it's actually impossible to generate proper UVs for the level geometry without the texture files
half dust
Bosses you say
ancient depot
yeah as in, setting bossname on an entity
it wasn't making the boss health bar and shit appear
still raptor
Bosses you say
your map should no longer look as terrible at least lol
rapid crown
What level editors does dusk support?
ancient depot
It doesn't explicitly support any particular level editor, it just wants BSP files, so you can use any
rapid crown
Okay cool
ancient depot
TrenchBroom is what we recommend but you can use JACK, Hammer, Radiant, etc
ancient depot
Nah it's just something I have to implement
I could probably make a Quake 2 BSP -> BSP2 with BRUSHLIST converter at some point
rapid crown
Oh right, didn't realise it was you doing it lol
obsidian lily
it probably should, but I think right now it'll put you on the escape screen (ba...
it just sends you back to the level again
I tested it
ancient depot
I guess that's better than the escape screen
feral holly
will previously made custom maps work better on the sdk now? or about the same. Stuff like saving, loading, missing animations, enemies not being able to go thru doors, etc
still raptor
will previously made custom maps work better on the sdk now? or about the same. ...
better for sure, but not everything is fixed
most of the things you listed will be fixed in the coming weeks with the next iteration of the sdk
tldr we ran out of time so shipped you guys some updated features, but have many more almost ready in a completely different version
ancient depot
If you mean the raw PNG textures, that isn't supported in this build
In a future update there's going to be a material definition file for that
You have dummy textures in a WAD file, and the material definition file will remap those to the actual textures (with optional features like normal maps)
obsidian lily
You have dummy textures in a WAD file, and the material definition file will rem...
Ah okay. How can i get a wad file with the dusk textures?
ancient depot
There's a few community ones, dusk_transparent.wad is pinned in here I think
obsidian lily
Ill check it out later
gritty forge
I have an Idea but its gonna take a lot of work...
obsidian lily
In a future update there's going to be a material definition file for that
Wait does jack have plans to add png file support or did i misunderstand this
crisp raven
To open the version of Dusk that works with mods it's just one of the launch options when you start the game
All mods are made with third party tools
gritty forge
Oh where can I get the tools?
obsidian lily
so, material definitions for the SDK
Ah ok got it
obsidian lily
Would it be possible to add more entities that become dusk entities and put it on
the workshop? Dusk wiki says that theres a entities.txt file that has th entities but im not sure where to find it and im not sure if thats the file that changes these entities to dusk ones
I wanna add support for hl mods like they hunger for example
ancient depot
entities.txt is purely for documentation, the game doesn't read it
in a future update that will be fully customizable though
you'll be able to define "remap" entities
obsidian lily
I see, thanks
ancient depot
You CAN technically add remaps by modifying the DLL files, but you obviously can't ship that to the workshop
obsidian lily
Oh yeah another question, do multi_managers work?
ancient depot
yup
I believe I made them work without limits too
so they can trigger as much stuff as you want
obsidian lily
Good
obsidian lily
If you target an enemy with a trigger what happens? Do they die?
ancient depot
uh nothing I think
obsidian lily
Also would be nice to have trigger conditions on the enemies like half life does, for example "see player" "50% health" instead of just the condition being when they die
ancient depot
Yeah the plan is to eventually have all of the entity features of Half-Life
thorn oasis
how do i make buttons animate?
the half life naming convention doesnt seem to work, and renaming it filename_0 and filename_1 like i see in the textures/objects folder doesn't work either
thorn oasis
that should be working
oh, for some reason my sky brushes are rendering black. but when i noclip outside my sky brushes, the skybox is visible. wtf
ancient depot
how do i make buttons animate?
the half life naming convention doesnt seem to w...
Animated textures aren't supported in this build due to some jank that needs to be cleaned up, a trick people tend to use is having the button move backwards and having another brush behind it that's lit up lmao
thorn oasis
lol got it
last lion
vis works?!?
last lion
darn.
icy wind
Is there currently any way to load sound replacer mods while playing Dusk HD? Specifically sound replacers for the player. Thanks!
ancient depot
Not currently, because this version of DUSK HD isn't based on the SDK, but in the coming updates you will be able to
icy wind
Thanks for the heads up!
thorn oasis
if angle -1 makes a door go into the ceiling, what's the angle for going into the floor? it's not positive 1 thats for sure lol
last lion
-2 iirc
ancient depot
You also have the option of using angles instead of angle for most entities, which will let you specify an explicit rotation
thorn oasis
yup that did it lol, shoulda tested it before sending the message instead of the other way around lol
yeah angles is the default that pops up for me, but it doesn't seem to do anything for doors. so i add angle manually
ancient depot
The SDK supports angles for doors but perhaps the map compilers don't
And for it to work both the SDK and map compiler needs to support it, since doors are special
Oh well, no biggie
thorn oasis
yeah lol
is there a way to change the secret sound and text?
or i guess alternitively, is there a way to make a secret trigger silently? so i can display my own text and play my own sound
ancient depot
Not currently, I'll make a note of that for the next hotfix
message is supposed to let you override the text but I don't think it works for trigger_secret right now
ok, implemented support for it
sound can be set to a sound path, message will let you override the text
compact zinc
i was bored and tried out the new workshop by uploading the test map i've been using for my custom engine
still raptor
Cool
thorn oasis
is there any way to place a billboarded sprite in my level (like env_sprite in half life), or am i gonna have to make shitty brushwork versions of the sprites i need to use lol
ancient depot
You should be able to use fence brushes, which are a feature of ericw-tools
bold orbit
time 2 finish my duskmentium map 🙂
blissful lion
do saves work now?
ancient depot
Just a lil hotfix yeah
honest stag
What's been fixed
honest stag
Ty
For the first time in years i actually have take a bit and read up in this channel
We won bros
Comment on tomb terror
The first thing that comes to mind is they used saves
and that reset the button counter
But idk for sure
I did test my map and everything worked
ancient depot
It could be saves, it's still the old buggy save system atm
The new PNG chunk system wasn't implemented in this build
Bit of a shame because it'd be funny to see people post screenshots on Discord that are actually save files
half dust
oh, for some reason my sky brushes are rendering black. but when i noclip outsid...
Yeah, I'm still not sure what to do about this because if you convert them to clip brushes you can't project sunlight but you can see the skybox.
honest stag
Gonna start outlining a new map concept today now that im nkt sleep deprived
Gon be making it with the BIG sdk in mind
All the fancy shit im so excited
void crescent
Time to finish Nuketown
uh
were can I see all the changes made to map making?
honest stag
in the patch note
what texture are you using for your sky currently
like the sky brushes
honest stag
the sky brushes specifically?
not the dusk sky cube?
sky brushes are the things you use to cast sunlight
void crescent
btw this is my first time loading the map in awhile
havent made any changes since before the update
honest stag
i think what's happened is that now that quake paralax skies are properly supported we're having skies that arent using that stuff break
ancient depot
note that parallax skies have requirements
ancient depot
it needs to be a rectangular texture containing the two layers on the left and right
and the width/height of the texture needs to be a power of two iirc
honest stag
oh wow really? that makes total sense then
ancient depot
in og quake there is actually only one allowed size for sky textures afaik but I removed that limitation for the sdk
void crescent
honest stag
oh nevermind
i forgot i made them button operated
not key operated
what 4 years does to a man
honest stag
try reseting the sky texture size
select the brushes and click this arrow in the "face" tab
@void crescent
OH THAT'S WHY THE SKY IN INSOMNIA IS BROKEN
OHHHHHHHHHHHH
void crescent
I dont have that button?
honest stag
screenshot
void crescent
is that a more recent version of TB or smthing
honest stag
this is an ancient feature
honest stag
ah you have the newer version compared to me
void crescent
ackusally the other arrow is rotate 90degress
honest stag
it's one of the xes
try the left most one
you can also hold your mouse on it
to see what it does
honest stag
what was wad it
post a screenie of your texture collections
unless you made some custom one i bet i can get you the needed ones
half dust
What if I don't want to do Quake skyboxes but still want sunlight?
honest stag
well
you can set up the dusk skybox
if you have it set up then the sky brushes shouldnt be visible yet cast sunlight anyway
i think
one of my maps has sunlight set up through sky brushes with the quake tex but they're invisible
obsidian lily
How can i update mods on the workshop?
i tried making a mod for the rat sounds but it doesnt work
Whats wrong here?
void crescent
heres the map if someone wants to finish it
i might in the future (xmas holidays)
pretty demotivated since I lost one of my bigger wads
honest stag
How can i update mods on the workshop?
not doabile yet
you'll have to take it down and upload
honest stag
Whats wrong here?
im not sure but previously alert sounds were busted
lemme check the patch notes
ah shit i actually dont know where they are
honest stag
i found them!
does seem like alert sounds were fixed
gon have to wait a bit i imagine
still raptor
I am awake now and will get to work on getting you guys a feature for patching
still raptor
I had to make that thing with extremely little spare time and barely tested it so it's very bare bones
Hence it being so ugly too lol
honest stag
you mean beautiful
sharp nest
wait where is the new SKD download?
honest stag
there is no download, it's an update
sharp nest
to the old one?
honest stag
yes
crisp raven
Still unsure which problems with my maps are because I need to make adjustments in the editor and which are just bugs 🤔
nimble prawn
@DearDevelopersOfHitShooterGameDUSK do we have an ETA for Dusk HD SDK?
waxen void
soon
still raptor
Still unsure which problems with my maps are because I need to make adjustments ...
yeah its going to take a bit of back and forth to figure it all out
honest stag
we won
still raptor
you can find your mod's id on the page
or you can write it down when you initially upload it
honest stag
OMG STEEL RESERVE 40OZ
still raptor
the console output will tell you the mods id
still raptor
OMG STEEL RESERVE 40OZ
fun fact, the first public showing of dusk switch at a trade show, i hid him in the demo map
honest stag
hahahahha oh my god
still raptor
if players rivet jumped over the treeline they could see him
waxen void
here's to another year of waiting for SDK 🍷
🍷
still raptor
ok
thats live
you now have patching for your mods
sorry about the delay on that
honest stag
thanks for updating counter strike
still raptor
i knew it would be a problem as i was writing the application
i just had zero time for it
honest stag
better late than never eh
still raptor
we finished all our work two (2) minutes before our deadline lol
anyways please make sure the dusk modders know they can patch now
honest stag
aye i'll tell everyone who i can reach
still raptor
in the future, i will probably allow you to save project files for your mods
so you dont have to fill out the fields every time
together we will build a better world
honest stag
helllll freakin yea
still raptor
if you guys have feature requests too, make them known
i also encourage creators to use the steam tools to pretty up their pages
adding author profiles, videos, images, descriptions etc
honest stag
oh that's actually a good idea
still raptor
it seems like most people are sticking to the single preview image which is a shame
ah i introduced a bug, one moment, will fix
im gonna make it more explicit
still raptor
ok fixed
honest stag
ayyyy
honest stag
time to post some screenies
crisp raven
Damn that mod looks like a banger
still raptor
yeah im such a good mapper
ive never actually made a full effort dusk mod map
only stuff for development and testing
ill probably do one when we finish some more features
crisp raven
Yeah make Rift 2
honest stag
whatcha no bout that...
still raptor
rift was so terrible and almost literally killed me
crisp raven
🤨
still raptor
i had to make that in the space of like 5 hours after having been up for about 60 hours
i ended up blacking out in my bathtub because i thought i was going to die
crisp raven
It IS finished
still raptor
that map was supposed to be way way different lol
each of the portal zones was supposed to have a central interactive feature in order to get the key to that area
like puzzle you had to accomplish
crisp raven
Woah
honest stag
uploaded screenshots to tomb terror
quaint heath
whatcha no bout that...
probbly tonz..
bold orbit
Will the full sdk have those grapple ball things in that one duskworld map?
blissful lion
theyre already in
still raptor
I hate the 1mb size limit
can you change it via steam after the upload?
i didnt actually try that
plain hare
can we expect the full sdk for next year?
bold orbit
we can expect it 
plain hare
considering they said "a few weeks"...
still raptor
yes i would say its likely you will get the new version sometime after the new year
if not january, then definitely february i think is safe to say
honest stag
february 30th let's go
still raptor
really this extension is to give zombie some time to rest
plain hare
we can wait 1 more
No we can't, or else i will die
still raptor
the pace he needed to work at to meet the original date was not sustainable
so we elected to take the half step instead
ill take full responsibility for that, it was my plan
plain hare
i mean, we got dusk hd
still raptor
but i care more about sustainable practice than reckless abandon
bold orbit
Zombie deserves a whole castle at the end of this
plain hare
my real question is, will the next update of the sdk support half life/quake enemies/npcs?
or the train itself?
i guess not
still raptor
potentially yes
plain hare
but it should be able to be programmed into it
bold orbit
it's not a simple task
plain hare
and source engine maps will be fully supported?
still raptor
given that you will be able to define entity overrides yourself, i believe you could define the quake and hl entities
no source engine maps will not be fully supported
plain hare
no source engine maps will not be fully supported
unfortunate
still raptor
the sdk WILL be open sourced however, so if someone wants to add support
we will merge the changes
source is a massive elevation in scope compared to goldsrc
plain hare
the sdk WILL be open sourced however, so if someone wants to add support
be the change you want to see in the world i guess. Seems good enough
those were all my doubts, thanks for answering them
upper nacelle
Hey! Ive looked around the server and saw that the SDK isnt coming to Mac due to Apple Silicon, and Im wondering if you could follow up on that?
Afaik, it only really needs to run in x64/rosetta since steam cant yet run arm64 runs by itself
upper nacelle
yeah, but couldnt you just upload an intel build?
upper nacelle
Thats what we are doing for another game (Intruder), the mapmaker and online stuff is only x64 while the game is compiled to both architectures
Id love to be able to mod Dusk (and obvsly play Dusk HD), so it be great if that could be done. In the meantime, ill try it on Wine ig
still raptor
compare this to bsp 30 (used in goldsrc)
honest stag
oh shit ur a guy on intruder? nice
still raptor
Id love to be able to mod Dusk (and obvsly play Dusk HD), so it be great if that...
yeah we'd love to support it, its just something we're not confident in because we dont even have mac hardware to validate against
the best i have is a 2011 mac mini
upper nacelle
Yeah I completely understand. In Intruder there is a beta channel where people try out Mac and Proton compatible builds
Just an idea 😅. I do love what you are doing!
still raptor
i can say we'll do our best to give it a shot, but i cannot make a promise about it
upper nacelle
And as a sidenote, Ive messed around loading Doom maps and messing with doom's bsp. So I LOVE that you guys managed to get HL and Quake maps in the game 🔥
still raptor
i believe we originally were going to load doom maps?
i forget
@ancient depot would remember lol
i vaguely recall years ago him messing around loading doom wads
upper nacelle
was a fun project. I love that engine