THIS IS HYPE
#dusk-modding
honest stag
@crisp raven @blissful lion
bold orbit
PEAAAAAAK
blissful lion
christmas 2021 (+2) is real!
honest stag
IT'S REALLY REALLY REAL CHRISTMAS 2021(3)
nimble prawn
DUSK SDK... DOES EXIST
honest stag
@ancient depot THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!! I AM SO HAPPY
ancient depot
honest stag
we are SO BACK
ancient depot
coop is also coming christmas 2020
honest stag
WOOOOOO CHRISTMAS 2020 LETS GO
plush hemlock
honest stag
i am so happy you fuckers have 0 clue
omg it's finally almost here
it's honestly unbelievable
5 long long years
half dust
silent gale
dusk sdk has become real
honestly im kind of glad i got into this game relatively recently, waiting all this time would have drove me insane
high magnet
*driven ☝️ 🤓
golden jacinth
:0
half dust
Will we be able to load custom maps in Duskworld too?
magic torrent
Dusk SDK in 30 day
blissful lion
dusk sdk, just a week away
copper sluice
Dusk sdk, hey hey hey
copper sluice
My body is ready
magic torrent
Day of Reckoning
honest stag
modding tools
or rather modding support
proper that is
dusk currently has modding support but it's limited
lapis crescent
whats dusk sdk
It's the second coming of Christ
honest stag
this update is gonna be the REAL sdk
echo escarp
Dusk hunting mod where you just kill deer with shotguns and rifles.
gritty forge
Dusk hunting mod where you just kill deer with shotguns and rifles.
dope
solid laurel
How to play Dusk with half life maps? I tried looking pretty much everywhere to least obvious to most.. Could not find anything
also main site doesn't seem to work for the How_do_I_run...
yeah I can't seem to access https://dev.newblood.games/index.php/Dusk:FAQ#How_do_I_run_Quake_maps.3F
ancient depot
How to play Dusk with half life maps? I tried looking pretty much everywhere to ...
Copy the valve folder from Half-Life into SDK/mnt/local/
solid laurel
Copy the `valve` folder from Half-Life into `SDK/mnt/local/`
Thanks
I think I tried that but it didn't work. Will try it again but less recklessly
ancient depot
Make sure you also go into the modding menu and turn on the mod
Otherwise the maps won't be listed
solid laurel
Only problem I noticed is I start with no weapons and no weapons spawn for me and a lot of things are broken like the big doors and tram as well
solid laurel
Make sure you also go into the modding menu and turn on the mod
Anyway to start with weapons?
solid laurel
thanks
crisp raven
The STATE of this channel (good)
tepid python
so now that the sdk has a confirmed release date is there any info on the confirmed capabilities of the sdk like scripting and what about existing maps and if they require updating
ancient depot
Scripting won't be there at launch, but there's limited functionality for making your own entities.
Some maps may require updates, more details on that will come later
honest stag
69 DAYS REMAIN FELLAS
crisp raven
Will the update allow for enemies to walk through open doors?
blissful lion
i was gonna add that dusk hd was gonna be a big joke of a mod if not for garumin
honest stag
nah the enemy models and weapons were bussin
blissful lion
lol
honest stag
dom did a great job
ancient depot
I'm continually surprised by just how big the demand is for dusk hd
gritty forge
reposting this
silent gale
Thanks Jakob for keeping in mind that the devs are human
plush hemlock
I'm continually surprised by just how big the demand is for dusk hd
the HD alone is enticing enough
crisp raven
i thought workshop would be the shit
Vriska out here thinking anyone besides the mappers themselves care about or play Dusk custom maps 😔
ancient depot
The unfortunate reality I've learned is that these days people are much less likely to even look at mods if there isn't an easy Steam Workshop "install" button
My mistake was not pushing right for workshop from the very start there
solid laurel
I like how textures in the game are easily accessable so I was able to make my guns look like they have cool heated blue finish on them
used gimp to do it
slate lake
I've used quite a few Dusk textures in the 3D Maze screensaver.
solid laurel
oh ok, I checked online on gamebanana for mods and there is only one dusk mod which contains a texture change, moddb had a couple more mods and nexus has one which makes all textures 4k
for some reason nexus only has one mod posted online
I could turn my gun textures into half life scientist.. I could change the sound as well probably
each shot is a scientist scream/stop
slate lake
Sounds silly!
ancient depot
I like how textures in the game are easily accessable so I was able to make my g...
Yeah the goal was to try and mimic the simplicity of doom modding
slate lake
Is the one guide in the pins for making Dusk maps still a good place to start or are there any other resources?
Or should I just wait for the full SDK lol.
tepid python
if scripting is out of the picture for now then custom multiplayer maps is probably also a no then
ancient depot
Multiplayer is a ways off
We're merging Duskworld into the SDK as part of the co-op stuff, which begins next year
plush hemlock
The unfortunate reality I've learned is that these days people are much less lik...
sadly yeah
except for skins in fighting games
don't worry, I'll make the nude mods for Dusk
smoky kraken
is there a dusk vr mod?
icy elm
Dusk but you die irl when you make a mistake
muted glacier
Omg ask update???!?!? this means I need to quit procrastinating, and add actual gameplay elements to the level instead of just focusing on the map itself
honest stag
OMG HI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STRISSEL HIIIIII!!!!!!!!!
all the real ones are coming back
I FORGOT TO PING SKADE
@tight hedge
SKADE THE SDK UPDATE IS COMING SOON!!!!!!
muted glacier
I also haven't opened trenchbroom in months
So glad to see everyone returning
Hi Vriska!!!!!!!!!
tight hedge
still gotta fix me map
the foken texture machine broke
all black
:(
kinda lost my motivation bc of it
honest stag
in editor or in game?
in tb rather
@mild juniper idk if u still care my man but i remember u really wanting that sdk update
muted glacier
So are we going to be able to change UI elements? (E.g. different hud for bullet counts, etc.)
honest stag
only zombie can say
tight hedge
in editor or in game?
I mean
editor?
Idk probably in game too
lol
doesnt matter its still impossible to work on
honest stag
by editor i meant trenchbroom specifically
tight hedge
guys
honest stag
would you mind sending me the .map if you have the time?
tight hedge
I have a custom weapon I made for dusk
tight hedge
would you mind sending me the .map if you have the time?
I can do it tomorrow
honest stag
👍 will be waitin
honest stag
it's a fangame haha
tight hedge
I rly wanna get back to that map I was working on
it was honestly so nice
I was really proud of it
sure it wasnt optimized in terms of geometry
but
visually it was great
honest stag
i hope to see it come to release
tight hedge
it will if I get the textures fixed
but I have some reworking to do
and lots of balacing and enemy placements
- secrets
and its only partially done
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honest stag
i remember all the screenies
tight hedge
honest stag
ppl were losin their minds over how this map looked and deservedly so
would be a great addition to the initial workshop drop
tight hedge
yea
nekravol inspired + some art I found about hell + my visit to rome
funny combo
I wanted to make it look like some chaotic timeless conglomeration in hell where ancient structures meet with new buildings and industry
hence the roman arches and with brick buildings and columns next to factory chimneys and giants chains and pipes
honest stag
real life architecture inspiration is based as hell
some of my best visualls come from that
tight hedge
tight hedge
real life architecture inspiration is based as hell
It was very superficial inspiration
More of the vibe rather than using references
ancient depot
So are we going to be able to change UI elements? (E.g. different hud for bullet...
Only to the extent of replacing the graphics
crisp raven
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586508960128040961/1017140186867580958/un...
I specifically like this for some reason
alpine depot
the shadows hitting off the funnel are really good
and the little bits of ambient occlusion by the edges of each ring, really nice
tight hedge
Only to the extent of replacing the graphics
But is there support for custom enemies and weapons? :O
ancient depot
To a minimal extent
tight hedge
And if so, will there be a template/original enemies to modify
ancient depot
You can make new monster entities that function like reskinned/slightly edited base enemies
For example you can make monster_penis that is a bone ball with a different model and 9999 health
ancient depot
But you can't add new behavior that doesn't already exist in the game (yet)
tight hedge
muted glacier
It was supposed to be a 4-5 part experience set in Roswell, New Mexico, in an old timey western town, but as you progress, you navigate the mines and a sewer system beneath the town
(because in like 2021 I think Vriska said all sewer levels were utter dogshit, and I thought it was hilarious)
And all the hidden areas were Wolfenstein themed (although maybe I've grown less edgy and will remove the windmill flags to not scare people away) and it culminated in a sick ass arena fight, but I stopped working on it because I wanted to come back to it when I had learned more.
Well it's been like 2-3 years,and I've learned more. And it was literally the first TB project I had ever attempted, so it's unoptimized as hell. No way it will be done for the SDK release, but maybe that's a good thing. I'll get to utilize new SDK stuff.
honest stag
me very excite to see the new stuff u make
tight hedge
textures fixed
we are so back
though it looks cool without textures in game ngl
ambient occlusion my beloved
icy elm
Dusk hd with Ray tracing
honest stag
hi bros!!! 67 days remain
blissful lion
how do you get ambient occlusion
tight hedge
Sorry for pinging but I can't contain myself, will the new SDK have particle, fog and baked entity lighting support? 🥺 @ancient depot
bold orbit
What the fuck
muted glacier
You beat me to it. I was gonna ask about fog. Vis support as well?
👉🥹👈
ancient depot
Sorry for pinging but I can't contain myself, will the new SDK have particle, fo...
particles and fog yes, by baking entities do you mean like, lightmaps on the dusk objects? In that case no, it's not something the SDK itself could add since it's more of a map compiler thing
void crescent
What about multiplayer map support?
ancient depot
You beat me to it. I was gonna ask about fog. Vis support as well?
👉🥹👈
No vis at launch, but it might get added in a patch. Especially if we consider porting the SDK to Switch or something
Basically every other BSP feature is implemented now though
ancient depot
In time...
void crescent
Must get time machine
muted glacier
particles and fog yes, by baking entities do you mean like, lightmaps on the dus...
I'm not sure if this is the answer to another question I have, but what about light styles? Or is that the same thing and I'm dumb?
ancient depot
I'm not sure if this is the answer to another question I have, but what about li...
Light styles are in, believe it or not
You can now have your flickering lights
Funnily enough some dusk maps were compiled with light styles in them (like duskstein), so they have a few subtle flickering lights now for things like flames
What I thought you meant was like, placing a dusk tree and having it get shadows in the map
crisp raven
Can enemies pass through open doors 🥺
ancient depot
Still being experimented with and it's kinda jank rn so we'll see
But it'll at least be better than it was
crisp raven
🥺
half dust
Oh, I thought that would be the main thing. You can't really call the SDK complete without it. Kinda scary tbh 🤞
crisp raven
True but the SDK wasn't going to be complete after this update anyways
half dust
Oh, okay. But still workshop and everything is kinda meaningless if enemies still can't walk through doors. Who's gonna play a map like that?
crisp raven
😔
ancient depot
There are options I've tried that "worked" just not to a standard I liked but we'll probably just go with one of those if a more foolproof method doesn't come about
tl;dr yes they can walk through doors, it's just that it's not perfect yet
crisp raven
What is wrong with the methods you've tried?
half dust
tl;dr yes they can walk through doors, it's just that it's not perfect yet
I hope you find a solution you're satisfied with
ancient depot
What is wrong with the methods you've tried?
Consider that doors and moving platforms are the same thing and you can probably imagine
tight hedge
@ancient depot also are func_illisonaries fixed so you can shoot through them? And if you’re not toally done adding features and if it’s not too hard to implement I’d love it if there were a trigger to change fog properties
muted glacier
You guys could always just do the fuckery that I do, and have all the doorways open at the start, and have a button the player triggers when they spawn that teleports all the doors into place.
Enemies freely walk through doors. the only caveat is, if you close a door after an enemy sees you and starts chasing you, they phase through the door I'm pretty sure. So it's a one time thing. It's been awhile, so I don't remember exactly.
God, I'm so excited for Friday night when I get off work. Putting my baby to bed and opening up Trenchbroom for a night of map making 
tight hedge
tight hedge
You guys could always just do the fuckery that I do, and have all the doorways o...
same
well not exactly
I just use spawnflag 33 so it starts open and has toggle, then I put a trigger once that closes the doors at the start of the map and then when you open the doors again the maps AI pathfinding grid thingymajing will have calculated all the doors to be opened so it works
and enemies cant phase through solid brushes or see players through those doors anyway so its just an objectively good solution
only issue is you cant make doors open with E you have to use a button or trigger of some sort
void crescent
where can I find dusk.wad
crisp raven
Use this one. It's the same but has transparency on the appropriate textures
muted glacier
only issue is you cant make doors open with E you have to use a button or trigge...
Put a rectangular invisible button that's a little bit thicker than the door in the same space as the door, so it emulates just opening it?
muted glacier
Also, how do you make the lights on the building stand out so much? Emissive textures?
honest stag
my guess is they're fullbright yellow cubes behind a fence texture
gives a similar effect, if not exact
void crescent
Use this one. It's the same but has transparency on the appropriate textures
thx
how do I get ne_q1 compiler?
honest stag
ne_q1 isnt a compiler, it's UI for the compiler
we use ericw's tools to compile maps
void crescent
i have been on github for years and I still dont know how to download something without being prepackaged
void crescent
foun- thank you
tight hedge
Put a rectangular invisible button that's a little bit thicker than the door in ...
ok but how would you walk through it?
unless you can use skip brushes for that
just assumed it doesnt work
tight hedge
Also, how do you make the lights on the building stand out so much? Emissive tex...
its a water texture thing
they display as fullbright
well this one at least
muted glacier
unless you can use skip brushes for that
I think so? I don't remember exactly. If you give me like 8-10 hours, I can give you an answer. But Vriska's correct; you should be able to parent the button to the door and they'll both move out of your way, regardless of whether it has collision.
honest stag
66 DAYS REMAIN BROS
muted glacier
Also, yum.
Emissive fullbright Piss water
tight hedge
I think so? I don't remember exactly. If you give me like 8-10 hours, I can give...
yea I was thinking abt that too
but it just seems a little too much for your average application
only good sometimes ig
maybe for swing doors once we get those
usually the metal doors make more sense to open with buttons
garage doors would also be cool to use that method with
muted glacier
When the SDK update comes out, all the map makers get 1000x 
NewBlood Bux.
blissful lion
You guys could always just do the fuckery that I do, and have all the doorways o...
i think theres something like trigger start that i used
also i think i tested it, they dont phase trough the door even if they have seen you
its trigger_auto
you parent every door to a func_wall_toggle that has spawnflags 1, meaning its off when the map loads, and then the trigger_auto sets it to on
tight hedge
You need the door to have toggle to in order for it to work I’m pretty sure
Didnt work for me with spawnflag 1 only
blissful lion
the func wall toggle is the one with the spawnflag
you just parent all the doors to that func wall toggle
so doors arent even there when the map is loaded
void crescent
how do I playtest a duskworld map? (justme)
honest stag
duskworld isnt supported in the sdk rn
honest stag
well the sdk is the only way to load custom maps right now
void crescent
Aight?
crisp raven
Levels cannot be added to Duskworld unless you're a dev of course
But you cannot mod new ones in
void crescent
so how did they make Forge?
crisp raven
A very rare favour
tight hedge
so doors arent even there when the map is loaded
yea or you just give it spawnflag 33 and then it will be opened by default and toggleable
less work
honest stag
so how did they make Forge?
a dev went out of their way to recreate the map that community made for use in duskworld
void crescent
i guess Ill wait another 15 morbillion years for the duskworld sdk update
see you guys in 1305 G.C
muted glacier
You know, I never thought of that. It would be fun to make a map for duskworld, and just not upload it until that future update comes out.
blissful lion
yea or you just give it spawnflag 33 and then it will be opened by default and t...
i dont understand your approach
if you set the door to start open but in the map it will appear closed the enemies wont be able to go trough once you open it
tight hedge
it will
if its set to start open the compiler will ignore the door in the nav mesh
or SDK idk what creates the nav mesh
blissful lion
the compiler has shit to do with the nav mesh
its unity whcih does it, and if the object is there when you load the map then it will think the object is always there
blissful lion
idk i remember trying this and it didnt work
tight hedge
you can try it on the doors of my map crimson cesspool
not all of them have it
but many do
many of the bigger main ones
blissful lion
theres no trigger when you load the map that makes the doors close?
tight hedge
there is
blissful lion
wait so every door has a tagetname
blissful lion
so you cant open them yourself
blissful lion
i mean whats wrong with my method
blissful lion
you set a parentname for each door instead of targetname and have an extra func_wall_toogle
and you can open the doors yourself
tight hedge
thats cool
I misunderstood and thought your method also didnt allow you to open them yourself
blissful lion
ok cool
crisp raven
We out here
void crescent
We out here
Looks sick af
blissful lion
a magic container
tight hedge
No way its the red mesa facility
Love how it looks
Please tell me that containers move
crisp raven
They do not 👁️
eternal spear
is there even any easy way to get them to move
alpine depot
func_door.........
i believe if they move fast enough they insta-gib anything in their path (assuming dmg values are set in the entity) however im not sure if that mechanic extends to the sdk lol
i think it does, to an extent, iirc
crisp raven
Func door wouldn't look right
It would have to loop one direction
Something like func_train would be more appropriate though Im pretty sure that isn't functional in the current SDK version
keen finch
Playtest this
its a %90 chance thats a ZIP bomb
heady osprey
Is there any way i don't need Quake to do this? I have Quake II i thought i had Quake but i do not
lament ore
are we getting custom model support for props in new sdk?
ancient depot
Yes
heady osprey
@ancient depot do i need Quake to make maps for DUSK or can i use something else?
ancient depot
You don't need Quake nah
heady osprey
How do i make maps? I was following the guide i found on Reddit
ancient depot
Same process as for Quake, grab TrenchBroom or any other editor of your choice
Make your map, save it as a .map file, then use ericw-tools to compile it into a .bsp
I'd explain in more detail but I'm currently on my phone working at our PAX booth lol
ancient depot
np!
heady osprey
Really PAX expo?
ancient depot
Yeah, PAX Australia
heady osprey
didn't even know that was happening 💀
Where is it? I live in Australia
Wait i found it
ancient depot
Melbourne Convention Center
heady osprey
How do i make the map? With everything
Idk if it will use the Dusk files
can you send a video on how to do it? Idc if it takes a while since you're busy @ancient depot
Bit confused sorry
I've made Maps for Goldsrc and Source 1 and 2
heady osprey
I checked threads ill check pins now
@ancient depot i found this but it says its outdated ill look some more "https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2298392941"
Reading this message by the Developer himself
ancient depot
I've made Maps for Goldsrc and Source 1 and 2
Btw dusk can load goldsrc maps so you can actually just follow that same setup too
ancient depot
Several dusk mappers do!
heady osprey
alr ik how to set that up
ill try that
i got the Dusk Wad and the Tools
Anyway i can make different profiles for J.A.C.K because i want to keep my HL1 Profile 
muted glacier
Realizing what was left of my western map from 2021 got wiped when my computer storage was corrupted last year 
Probably better that I start fresh anyway. It was unoptimized garbage, but boy did it look cool.
I have a version that was last saved June 1st, 2021. And I hadn't done much of anything to it yet. The Wolfenstein area didn't even exist.
Sigh
Lost media I guess. My poor dynamite contraption 😩
And the only person I ever shared it with was Q-dude and our DMs just don't exist anymore? He dropped off the face of the earth and deleted his discord.
honest stag
i remember q but yes he deleted his various discords several times
i may try to reach him on steam
idk what was up with that
muted glacier
It's no big deal to me, but it was a nice project to look at as my first even if I'm going to start fresh. I talked to Q In the quake mapping discord a few times and then here quite a bit
bold orbit
THE STATE OF DUSK MODS HAS NEVER BEEN BETTER
muted glacier
Catacombs? More like, cata-cooms! seriously, that is so atmospheric it makes me sick
muted glacier
Kinda gives Bloodborne Chalice Dungeon vibes. Love it. Can't wait to see it
eternal spear
gonna finally stop procrastinating and actually get to it
especially with dusk hd coming up
getting a very basic map out by the end of this year
mark my words
honest stag
getting a very basic map out by the end of this year
How big we talking
eternal spear
not e1m1 basic
but nothing too ambitous for now
- im lazy so it def wouldnt be done in a day
honest stag
Do u mean complexity or size
eternal spear
complexity
i might cave in and settle for making a super baby map for my first time though
honest stag
Do it
eternal spear
we'll see ♥️
eternal spear
noted
honest stag
Im gonnna dm ur ass in 24 hours if i dont hear back
void crescent
will the sdk have endless mode support?
ancient depot
Yeah, just no multiplayer stuff at launch
bold orbit
oh boy I get to make those duskmentium survival maps after all 😄
tight hedge
trying to make my map a bit more defined because a lot of the textures and red coloring blends
so Im adding some defining textures to break things up and also experimenting with some orange fill lights
luckily when we get fog its gonna help massively
thinking about a subtly purple or brownish red fog
meager horizon
Yeah, just no multiplayer stuff at launch
Sweet! Maybe someone can port the Switch map to PC.
half dust
How do I trigger a music change again guys?
crisp raven
You need a trigger to target to music change trigger
So you need to trigger the trigger essentially
muted glacier
okay gang. help me. booted up the sdk and for some reason, I dont have the dusk folder in my local file anymore, so I have no textures in game. where/how do I get that back?
to clarify, i navigated to SDK>mnt>local> and there used to be a "dusk" folder there, which is gone now, and im assuming thats my issue
muted glacier
that worked. 
thank you!
now I can go back to modeling nsfw Jacob makes DuskDude a smoothie
muted glacier
okay, I ended up having to follow the steam guide to setup my folders and downloads for TB and everything, but when I compile everything it doesnt compile lights. I vaguely remember having an issue with this back in 2021, but dont remember how to fix it.
and on top of it, Ive never used the necros compiling gui, which is where I think my confusion is coming in.
tight hedge
they should release my planned map mod for the dusk big box edition as an included DLC 
that would be soooo funny and hilarious and giggly-goo inducing
void crescent
they should release my planned map mod for the dusk big box edition as an includ...
fr
tight hedge
void crescent
whats gonna be the name?
bold orbit
@honest stag
tight hedge
tight hedge
whats gonna be the name?
not 100% decided yet
bold orbit
Bruh you best step up else we grab this d00d for nbk
tight hedge
I saw his maps for that I like em a lot
tight hedge
void crescent
Chernobyl
tight hedge
god Im so excited to release this map
it has so many cool features and gameplay gimmicks
last talon
cool doom map
last talon
also lmfao the sheer amount of STUFF in this pic
tropic totem
Some very nice greebling there
slate lake
I fear running this on my computer.
muted glacier
The beginning of the journey. Good luck!
slate lake
Thank you my good friend.
eternal spear
i still have to find out how the fuck doors work
after that i'll probably try to create babys first dusk map
silent gale
will func_vehicle be real in the new sdk
honest stag
back on my shit
actually oops my brightness is lower than it should be
...or wait is it just my second monitor
yea it is
last talon
...or wait is it just my second monitor
honest stag
CURSE OF RA
void crescent
How will we setup waves for endless? Scripts or intergrated into the sdk
half dust
So you need to trigger the trigger essentially
So I make a trigger that the player walks in that targets another trigger with a "music" key? I guess we can't use the intro on the transition before the loop can we?
honest stag
you could fire the trigger with a delay
set to whatever is the delay before the loop starts
what i mean is
play the intro, switch to an intro-less ver. of the track when x seconds pass
half dust
So the trigger would trigger another trigger after a delay
honest stag
yea
half dust
Cool
honest stag
been a while since i touched trigger bullshit so idk if you can put a plain delay on the first trigger
but you should? seems basic enough
half dust
How do I make one?
honest stag
just spawn any other point entity and rename it to that
half dust
Rename it to what?
honest stag
to trigger_changemusic
half dust
That works great
Now I just need to work out how to get it to change back to ambience after the fight
honest stag
well
the immediate simple solution is a trigger_counter to check when all the enemies are dead
but it'll cut to the ambience track very sharply
unless you do some serious fuckery and switch to the end part of the combat track, then with a delay to ambience
half dust
Oh, counter. I thought that's what multi_manager was.
There is something called e1m2_action_transition. I wonder if that's supposed to be used when transitioning back to ambient.
honest stag
multi manager is for triggering multiple things are once or with delays on some
half dust
Oh
half dust
There is something called e1m2_action_transition. I wonder if that's supposed to...
No I don't think that's right. So it will just abruptly switch back to ambient as you say. Probably disguised by the sound of the last kill a bit at least.
That's awesome. I just don't want the counter to display a message then it'll be perfect.
half dust
Yep, just set it to 1 I think.
honest stag
yup
half dust
@ancient depot Are rotating doors going to be easier to implement?
tight hedge
also lmfao the sheer amount of STUFF in this pic
Yea I wanted to go a lil more complex than standard dusk maps
tight hedge
yup
oh
I used a hacky method for this in one of my maps I forgot which
I just send an empty message right as the message triggers
its really janky
half dust
I still get a sequence complete message
honest stag
are you putting the message property on the end trigger or the trigger_counter itself
half dust
I didn't put any message property but I guess it would go on the counter
That didn't fix it
honest stag
try putting a message on whatever you trigger then
half dust
Or maybe it needs to be message -1 or something?
honest stag
i thought it'd be just a space
half dust
That worked. Putting a space in the message field of the entity the counter is targeting.
I have a button that opens a bunch of doors and triggers a bunch of teleporters. How would I get that button to change music as well?
Is this where I'm supposed to use a multi_manager because I can't find any info on them.
honest stag
yea that's a multi_manager
here's how it works
multi_manager is a point entity, you add the targetnames of the entities you want triggered as the keys
and then the values of said keys are any number, which will be the delay of whatever is it you're triggering
here's how it looks
one sec
half dust
It would make sense to use these instead of multiple triggers for delaying the loop and playing the intro/transition
honest stag
ey there u go
tight hedge
That worked. Putting a space in the message field of the entity the counter is t...
lol this is what I did
never used multi manaher
manager
honest stag
it's a lifesaver sometimes
tight hedge
always just use multiple trigger multiples that use the same targetnames
honest stag
u can do megacool shit with it
tight hedge
maybe I dont understand what multimanager is tho
Im guessing its just a way to trigger many things with the same target?
tight hedge
thats cool
half dust
It's working well so far. I haven't done it for the button that activates a billion different things yet though.
half dust
lol this is what I did
I noticed the message was still displaying for a split second. Maybe that's unavoidable. Going to try something.
tight hedge
yea that was my issue too
I think there was some other hacky thing
like \n in messages breaks the message to the next line?
so maybe if you spam \n\n\n\n\n\n
it will move the text down?
idk
not sure
I forgot
half dust
Oh God
But won't it still take a second to overwrite the default
Why doesn't the spawn flag work
Curse you spawnflag!
tight hedge
oh right Im dumb
tight hedge
aint nun u can do cuh
fr
😼
UGHHH
I hate making new big areas for maps
its so daunting
once I get a good foundation its fine but like
the first 10% is torment
tight hedge
I have 2
blissful lion
i remember some weird shit happening when i gave two objects the same targetname so i always use multi managers
tight hedge
nevr had an issue
muted glacier
New map coming along great
tight hedge
Why..
crisp raven
alpine depot
i think god should kill you
muted glacier
Vriska, liven up the chat. I'm bored at work. How many days til the update?
silent gale
Vriska, liven up the chat. I'm bored at work. How many days til the update?
61 days
muted glacier
Nice. I've got about 20 days then to procrastinate before putting together something mid.
short flower
any suggestions for starting on dusk mods?
honest stag
depends on the type of mods you're looking for
and do u mean start making or start playing with mods
short flower
like custom maps ig or in general
I just want some suggestions to try and find the types of mods
also i mean playing mods
honest stag
go to dusk.mod.io and that provides all ways to sort mods by type and download count
usually includes instructions
crisp raven
You cant make maps for endless mode yet
muted glacier
Cannot wait for endless mode maps. I will finally be able to put Nacht Der Untoten to use.
half dust
That first one looks like an album cover
muted glacier
honestly, yeah, I can see it, pretty cool
crisp raven
tired gull
so does anyone knows if my old ass map made with the first version of the SDK will work on the full release, or will I need to do some changes, been out of the game for a while
ancient depot
Most stuff will continue to work
It's mostly things like texture & sound mods that'll need changes, since the folder structure etc has changed
tired gull
cool, doesn't sound too bad
worldly aspen
dude!! I love it!
muted glacier
When zipping a mod to upload it for others, am I putting the skybox textures into the id1 folder like you would with Quake?
crisp raven
When zipping a mod to upload it for others, am I putting the skybox textures in...
This is how my mods are structured and it works
crisp raven
The top folder is where I put the skybox textures
muted glacier
Thank you so much. Just restructured all of my dusk/Trenchbroom files for mods, and I'm a bit rusty.
crisp raven
half dust
Get into my swamp?
tight hedge
make a creepypasta map with this
tight hedge
It's mostly things like texture & sound mods that'll need changes, since the fol...
will we have to redo all textures? :(
ancient depot
In your custom maps? No
I'm talking about mods that replace textures in the base campaign
They just need to be renamed
ancient depot
Well, those are already "easy" to do -- the issue is just that TrenchBroom doesn't allow you to change the origin afaik unlike Hammer & JACK
I've tested a few different approaches as workarounds (i.e. letting you place an entity that acts like an origin modifier) but the real fix would be for TB itself
Funnily enough, an issue report for TB was just opened about this a few days ago: https://github.com/TrenchBroom/TrenchBroom/issues/4347
half dust
Oh shit! So TB is inferior.
ancient depot
For this singular thing, yeah lmao
ancient depot
Note that currently you should still be able to use origin brushes to achieve it in TB
Create a little cube brush as part of the rotating door entity, and texture all sides with a texture called origin
Put that brush where you want the pivot to be, and ericw-tools will recognize that and compile the door brush with that in mind
half dust
So the middle of that brush would be the origin?
ancient depot
yeah
half dust
Dope
half dust
blissful lion
origin.wad?
lament ore
I thought that was just the default way to do it lol
Is that not something used often by Quake mappers? In HL it's all over the place
(re: origin brush)
ancient depot
I thought that was just the default way to do it lol
It is, yeah. The issue was just that TrenchBroom doesn't have a proper tool for setting the origin, hence the special "origin brush" you have to add to the entity as a workaround
(specifically referring to the more modern Source/Hammer workflow)
ancient depot
you can't just do that
muted glacier
compact zinc
because of that .map loader i've been sharing in #1054772705867608115 i tried making my own barebones dusk map
muted glacier
Oh yeah. Suicide by Cowgirl 🥴🥴🥴
eternal spear
i figured out how to light shit!!!!!
the massive urge to just incorporate every single idea i can think of is so huge tbh
only a few years until i figure out how to incorporate the third dimension into my map layouts
crisp raven
Nothing quite like the first map 😩 👌
eternal spear
it will be so shit in the best way possible
eternal spear
i figured out how to light shit!!!!!
:3
atomic pond
does anyone know the name of the "Beans" texture?
Can't post screenshots, but its the one used in alcoves in the upper areas of e3m2
eternal spear
i have absolutely no idea what aesthetic i wanna go for
only thing i have is a few vague ideas of locations i'd like to make and thats it
just need to somehow weave all of that together into one map
atomic pond
does anyone know the name of the "Beans" texture?
nvm I got it, just called "weird"
crisp raven
:3
Use this wad for the trees. It makes them have slightly less transparency so it's closer to the texture in the campaign
silent gale
It would become playable
tight hedge
I just had a thought
will we be able to make custom particles with the new SDK update too?
ancient monolith
just download unity and make custom dusk
crisp raven
muted glacier
Oh my God.
bold orbit
What the fuck
muted glacier
"Someone made the whole 'The Legend of Zelda' in Dusk"
*Lz
"How do I turn off Numlock"
"BRO"
"HOW"
"NUMLOCK WONT TURN OFF"
alpine depot
lol
compact zinc
muted glacier
Certified NewBlood Translator. 
acoustic quest
muted glacier
@acoustic quest from what I remember, when you're on the Vegas strip, after you leave Mr. House's casino the first time, you get approached by a ranger that will lead you to an ambassador to join. But yes, wrong server 😂
hollow prawn
<@778634238597136384> from what I remember, when you're on the Vegas strip, afte...
The NCR guy just gives you a letter telling you to go see the ambassador
proper holly
wha
desert crane
half dust
dreamy laurel
is there something like sdk to create mods for dusk?
or yall just manage game files?
ancient monolith
read pins for info
Should probably wait till next update though, more SDK stuff is coming
dreamy laurel
ok, thanks
void crescent
so the SDK wil be like a map creating tool like Trenchbroom or Hammer?
honest stag
nope
it'll just support more features so that we can make more complex maps/mods using tools like that
void crescent
will it make compiling easier?
honest stag
it's already easy
void crescent
or do I need to download external software?
honest stag
you need to do that and will need to do that to make mods/maps, yes
void crescent
that's....
uh
bit disapointing ngl
but atleast were gonna be able to do endless maps
honest stag
it would also add years and years of dev time
void crescent
wdym
honest stag
making a level editor is very difficult, why bother when there's already a fantastic, flexible and intuitive variety of tools out there
void crescent
i mean trenchbroom is a bit 2 diferent than Hammer or Radiant (which ive been using for years now), i mean just moving something vertically on trenchbroom is a pain in the bum
void crescent
and something that really just annoys me for some reason is the fact that I need another software to compile maps
but thats a me problem ig
also a lot less documentation which is weird since the quake engine has like double my age
honest stag
you just need something that can output a quake/half life bsp in the end
source will be supportd too iirc
void crescent
aight guess its time to bruteforce Trenchbroom tho
honest stag
you dont need to use trenchbroom if you dont want to?
people already made maps using hammer
void crescent
fr?
honest stag
or J.A.C.K if you're into that
you dont need quake compiling tools, you can just use whatever is it that you use for half life maps
void crescent
Hey thanks for clearing this up
i think im gonna try trench a few more times and see if I prefer it over Hammer
last question: how do I make it less cunbersome to move an object on the y axis
honest stag
i mean
we pretty much all use ericw's tools
and i personally along with quite a lot of people use necro's gui to make it easier
crisp raven
last question: how do I make it less cunbersome to move an object on the y axis
for moving things up and down I usually hold alt and just drag the mouse but page up and down works too or using the viewports. Furthermore if you wish to have objects lock to a horizontal axis you can hold shift while moving them and they will lock to that direction.
For the compiling which are you using and how are you going about trying to compile the .map file?
If you're using Trenchbroom you can always hit f1 to open the manual
void crescent
For the compiling which are you using and how are you going about trying to comp...
im using ericw's with necros gui
crisp raven
And it's only outputting those two files?
void crescent
yup
crisp raven
Can I see how you have the fields filled out? Like working folder source map etc
crisp raven
Output folder field doens't work sometimes so try keeping that empty. Also Quake doesn't need to be filled out either
void crescent
so nothing in the engine dir?
void crescent
so about the output dir
crisp raven
I keep it empty. Filling it out breaks the program because it's old and cursed
void crescent
so where does the bsp and such go?
crisp raven
Working folder
I make it go into the same folder as my .map file
and then just move it to the Dusk directory
But people do things different ways
crisp raven
For the tools folder is it pointing to \ericw-tools-v0.18.1-win64\bin or just \ericw-tools-v0.18.1-win64?
In that image I cant tell if it's cut off or if that's the whole thing
void crescent
and its fixed
crisp raven
👍
void crescent
lmao thanks
crisp raven
Np have fun
void crescent
any tips and tricks before I go in?
crisp raven
Don't forget about the manual and dont hesitate to ask questions 👌 👍
Do you have texture wads?
void crescent
yup all that set up
crisp raven
Noice 👍
void crescent
btw are the Altar ents present in the game?
crisp raven
Yes
void crescent
ive never seen them?
crisp raven
Wait I might be wrong
void crescent
where are they present
crisp raven
I think Im wrong actually
void crescent
Has anyone ever made a jump academy map for the riveter and stuff?
eternal spear
how are you guys able to make maps
i sketch out the layout in paint and then i decide everything is wrong and start over again
honest stag
if you parent a trigger_hurt to it, i suppose yes
eternal spear
splendid
void crescent
how does light_env work?
tight hedge
O YEA
will we get the ability to make scrolling textures for maps too?=
like lava movement and water and blood and stuff
tight hedge
There is like one single rivet map and it's 2 or 3 years old now.
I wanna make one but it will have to wait
Im a bit of a tf2 rocket jump afficionado
so
maybe apply some of the stuff from that game to a map
crisp raven
how does light_env work?
It doesn't
crisp raven
i sketch out the layout in paint and then i decide everything is wrong and start...
You can only get so far from sketches. Though they are helpful they're only a starting point. Things will change sometimes drastically from the original layout. That's normal. To get something done the best thing you can do is just get in there are start creating.
The process will only get easier with experience
void crescent
so how do I make outside lighting?
void crescent
like sunlight on the entire map
and how do I change the rgb values on a normal light source?
honest stag
So
Sry for late response but
You're supposed to use sky brushes
sky brushes are basically a block in the sky that works as a celling with any texture that has to start with sky
to have that brush emit sunglight - have a light entity with a property _sun set to 1, and make it target any info_null entity
all the properties of your light entity will be what the sky brushes emit in the same direction as the sun is targeting the info_null
but if you want your map to have both sunlight and avoid awful pitch black shadows, you also need _sunlight2 as a property on worldspawn
the value of it will determine it's intensity (works the same as light intensity on normal lights), and _sunlight2_color does exactly what you think it does, changes the color of this ambient light
what _sunlight2 does is put an ambient light on all outside areas basically
@void crescent
void crescent
k thank you so much
so its just a big directional light inside skybox brushes like in Source
gotcha
honest stag
I've dabbled yes
void crescent
what
honest stag
Nothing :)
eternal spear
dusk desert bus,,,,
alpine depot
duskert bus...
gritty forge
can you add scripts in dusk mods or are dusk mods strictly maps until the sdk comes out
crisp raven
Strictly maps for now
ancient depot
Scripts won't be in the update either, but you'll be able to create custom entities to an extent
You can inject fully custom scripts using regular Unity modding tools though, it's just not officially supported
gritty forge
that's what i meant
honest stag
After 3 years of this map sitting in my backlog, 80% finished, i finally decided to come back, crank out the last couple of rooms and release
The ending might admittedly be rushed as i've completely lost the original concepts and ideas i had for this map and just didnt want the rest of it to go to waste
Enjoy :)))
eternal spear
i have a few minor nitpicks
you can stare straight into the abyss if you stand ontop the broken pillar in the starting room, the button on the right from the starting room has some z fighting going on once you press it in
and chests shatter like glass
otherwise was a little confused as i had no idea what exactly i was accomplishing by pressing the buttons and completing the sequence
very fun map though
also pretty sure saving and loading fucked some stuff but that's just a dusk problem i'd assume
crisp raven
https://mod.io/g/dusk/m/tomb-terror
silent slate
https://tenor.com/view/curse-of-set-curse-of-ra-curse-pharaoh%27s-curse-sand-gif...
4-2
pliant schooner
crisp raven
🔥 SOMEONE CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT 🔥
🎃 NEW MAPS JUST DROPPED 🎃
💦 GET EM WHILE THEY'RE HOT 💦
👻 HAPPY HALLOWEEN 👻
bold orbit
@honest stag
alpine depot
holy fuck these look so good
zealous anvil
crisp raven
No there are none
weak prawn
love that i got the game a week ago barely any new mods and thought that mod comnmunity is dead as disco and now 3 cool maps in 2 days
honest stag
if you got it a week ago, there's still a massive backlog of things to check out
and i do mean massive
weak prawn
yes true but also cause i consider maybe making a mod eventually
even if its just some texture or audio mod
later might be nice since i do sound design apprenticeship now
but ye more if people still check out mods
which would be the case if people still make them
what would u say are the essentials? in terms of levels or maybe instead of essentials ur favs @honest stag ?
honest stag
Imo, play Shadow of Strelok
Black Industrial Misery
Duskstein is a fantastic map that doesnt get talked about but idk if it's playable
I really like Taiga, very underappreciated but fun level albeit a bit on the "newbie" side
Bad hospital is the most technically advanced one probably, very impressiive especially once you play a bunch of "standard" maps
Old waters is another cool underappreciated map with a nice twist to it
i REALLY like Frostbite as well
and an honorable mention to Lower
AVOID: Criadus, horrifically unbalanced to be borderline impossible to play on purpose
Map jams are usually a good time
weak prawn
shadow of strelok i played already a bit
rest i didnt
sadly i feel like on many maps u cant really save
honest stag
I'm very proud of Trespasser
that is true for all maps and it's an issue with dusk itself
weak prawn
so its the dark souls experience i guess
honest stag
or rather the current version of sdk
weak prawn
haha
micro
but i mean maps on this game are usually fast paced so yeah
so a bit like endless but on a map and not endless
bold orbit
I will finish my map when the sdk release grows near, prolly
weak prawn
that is true for all maps and it's an issue with dusk itself
is ur mod?
honest stag
I made a bunch of other maps of... varying degrees of quality
weak prawn
is it hard making a map? like i did maps back then with wc3
honest stag
Not really
weak prawn
warcraft 3
honest stag
it's pretty easy actually
honest stag
takes a bit to set up everything but the process itself is simple thanks to the map making tool we use
weak prawn
workflow wise on trailer