------->partial total
#amid-evil-or-hunt-showdown
nocturne tapir
wouldn't that just be a uh, partial conversion? :U
anyhoo, Amid Evil goot, looking forward to the next episodes
as a Person Who Likes Vivid Colours(tm), this game appeals to me on a primal level
and you have included not just rocket jumping, but PLANET JUMPING.
i don't know how many games can lay claim to that
slim sapphire
I JUST REALIZED THE CELESTIAL CLAW PICKUP SPRITE IN AMID EVIL IS LITERALLY JUST THE QUAKE LOGO YOU CHEEKY LIL SHITS
also I found and beat e3
ya'll are doing amazing work out here keep it up!
plucky isle
Have you found the Mega-Reference?
slim sapphire
I have not.
slim sapphire
I will later! keep in mind Im not as well versed with classic shooters as most people here, I didnt play doom 1 until a couple years ago
plucky isle
oh okay thsn
stark olive
Amongst Bad Things.
night ginkgo
nearby to badness
vocal ingot
Just so were clear
That WILL be the sequel to AE right?
With every enemy being an 80s cool dude?
devout jackal
Around Terrible
slim sapphire
Close to Awful
devout jackal
In Proximity of Badbad
left owl
near unpleasant
patent thicket
Betwixt Badong
devout jackal
Away from Good
left owl
the opposite of great
tall temple
physically close to ill intent
left owl
almost unlikeable
devout jackal
Nearly Touching Discord
versed violet
Touch discord
left owl
straying from nice things
frosty drift
don't touch the discord app
versed violet
Touch it
frosty drift
no
left owl
hit it
frosty drift
versed violet
Touch
And then touch the AE tab
Touch that link to steam page
Touch that buy now button
left owl
and repeat
left owl
don't forget to touch the review button
versed violet
Oh yeah touch that thumb up
Touch your keyboard in an order that writes an awesome review
devout jackal
Like this kids, more or less:
Amid Evil is a throwback the 90s FPS games we all love, but with a modern twist.
left owl
make a new steam account and do it all over
versed violet
Amid Evil is heretic but new. All online articles
left owl
pretty much
crystal spruce
@devout jackal this is AE, Dusk, Ion Maiden, Strafe... Sorry to throw that one in but... Yeah it's all that and more. Good times to live for old nerds 😂
devout jackal
I just wish these games could get reviews based on their actual features and gameplay. The mainstream game coverage just goes on about 90s classics and ignores how fucking great AE actually is, at least from what I've seen.
I know it's hard to judge something like Amid Evil in a vaccum but it'd be nice to see it reviewed on it's own merits and not member berries
devout jackal
I know there's not much similarity but Dusk has the same issue - people just talking about Quake and how good Quake was instead of the actual game. I guess nostalgia is a powerful drug but I shouldn't have to visit a small-medium YouTube channel to actually get a review of the game itself lol
crystal spruce
@devout jackal it's so sad, too, that the game didn't get the recognition it deserved. Quality all around, really a lovingly created piece of work by @night ginkgo and @cinder mist ... I was blown away... Will always keep what got released around. Just wish you hadn't cancelled it guys
night ginkgo
lmao
devout jackal
That one got me.
devout jackal
Wut
plain grail
i haven't seen any reviews yet, just articles about how it's out in early access
i don't think the mainstream games media even notices it for the most part
devout jackal
Maybe mainstream is a bad pick
plain grail
yeah we've known that for a while
during the whole incident that i'm sure rule one prevents me from naming a few years back i was all "yeah we know video games journalism is worthless, why is everyone acting like this 'scandal' is a big deal?"
because jeff gersstman got fired for giving a shitty game a bad review back in 2007
so...
yeah
would be nice if some youtube reviewers got on a proper review of the game though
reather than HEY WHAT'S UP YOUTUBE LET'S PLAY DARK SOULS BUT WITH GUNS THAT ARE NOT GUNS BUT MAGIC
dire briar
most people won't review it til it's out of early access
people don't review EA games
cuz theyre like
not done
and yeah who knows what mainstream reviewers will
say
old grafix plays good I guess
7/10
versed violet
You know how you think about a game from your childhood and you think fuck yeah that was awesome I'll play it again and it just kinda sucks? I feel like AE gives the feeling people expect from doing that. But then it's only valued for that and not why or how it does it
I didn't really play any of the shooters back then except for RoTT so that's not why I like AE but it's what I imagine happens
plain grail
AE nails it, fast and responsive and imaginative weapons with interesting ways to be used
hey what happened to #ae-spoilers
crystal spruce
Amid Alphas
gentle zealot
it fuckin died
drowsy halo
So I really like the 7 parts of the pilgrim's story and can't help but feel that's an allusion to the main character (and perhaps the episodes) somehow.
slim sapphire
Ive been recording footage for an EA review
hoary garden
can someone persuade me to buy AE please 😛
hoary garden
I need to be converted to join the clan
winged ibex
Consider
hoary garden
the only weapon I know of like that in other games is the nail gun in a doom mod
winged ibex
A Sword that shoots green lasers.
hoary garden
green lasers ! does the character shout out "Ima Firing ma Laser !!"
gentle zealot
that's the uh
winged ibex
No, that's just the announcer/omniscient being thing.
gentle zealot
ethereal being telling you what to do
hoary garden
ethereal so shes a see-able ghost 😄
hoary garden
when I watched Draqu play it I didnt really understand the lores that much
winged ibex
The gist is, you're a warrior, with an axe, and you travel through portals to fight things.
night ginkgo
IT CAME FROM THE AGE BEYOND THE AGES
devout olive
FROM THE SPACE BEYOND BEING
night ginkgo
*vision
devout olive
FUCK
I KNEW I WOULDNT GET IT RIGHT
I guess you could say my bad spelling is
minute among a myriad vast typos
winged ibex
How're you doing Leon?
devout olive
how polite
winged ibex
Not a lot.
night ginkgo
well simmo and I have been making some new enemies
winged ibex
Exciting.
cinder mist
cinder mist
conan o'brien, yes
narrow breach
not terrible scrollback this time, but it was for ""IT CAME FROM THE AGE BEYOND THE AGES""
cinder mist
twist: it's just a retirement home
vocal ingot
AE is the retirement home of FPS games
cinder mist
every ep has a whole host of new enemies
nocturne tapir
sweet!
i doubt any of them can match up to the raw power of the Death Torch in the first level though
i did report that as an issue :v
into the building, left corridor, first torch you see
don't you fucking dare trying to go behind it
it will insta-toast you
evil presence ain't got shit on that torch i'm telling you
actually here have a video
lofty thistle
Make it the final boss
nocturne tapir
rip death torch, strongest foe i have ever faced
but hey nice, it caught me off guard the first time and i hadn't quicksaved at all :V
coming from Doom, mashing your face against all the walls is a natural instinct, and imagine my surprise when that suddenly burnt my face off
nocturne tapir
oh god i love the classic style cheat codes
you guys are having a lot of fun making this, aren't you? :v
nocturne tapir
huh, it seems that some levels don't have the right enemy count
killed 116/115 in e1m2 :v
could've been 117 but i couldn't be arsed to spend soul power on one guy when i could just stroll past him
also secondarily found that Evil difficulty does indeed work, it just isn't quite as much of a hell as i was expecting
i hear you are buffing it though, so i'm just gonna enjoy my false feelings of superiority while they last :V
thorn geyser
Congrats
nocturne tapir
many thank
is verr import to me
so i wonder, does the voltride shoot faster when you have a lot of blue mana?
almost feels like it sometimes
proper oxide
nocturne tapir
more zappa is always welcome
sand lintel
fps fluctuation can definitely make it feel like it'll fire it faster or slower some times
do you have an fps cap set?
thorn geyser
Broken gaem
nocturne tapir
haven't set a cap no
I DO NOT WISH TO LIMIT MY POWER
that would explain it though
sand lintel
well if you dont limit your fps to a limit that you can sit at regularly you might be bouncing between slow attacks and fast attacks, i'd try capping it to 121 or if you can reach that try 61
attack animations are tied to frames and if you are at inconsistent frames itll change the amount of time between attacks
nocturne tapir
makes sense, fluctuating frame rate is hell on earth when trying to time things consistently
sand lintel
yeah i played the entirety of the game with slow axe swings lol, then i figured out the axe can go almost twice as fast and it turns into an amazing weapon
nocturne tapir
my only beef with the axe is that it has shorter range than it seems it should
otherwise very satisfying
CLANG
thorn geyser
light marsh
sortof a downgrade if you compare it to DUSK's weaponry which is 3D
nocturne tapir
i legit thought they were low-res 3D models :v
light marsh
but the aesthetics of it
sand lintel
most evident way for me to tell they were sprites is how the attack animation happens, they dont ever twist or turn
nocturne tapir
true, especially visible on the axe
i'm also almost surprised that y'alls went for Evil instead of Aevil on the hardest difficulty :v
cinder mist
Emid Avil
thorn geyser
Live Dima
nocturne tapir
Emit Anvil
thorn geyser
🅱🅱🅱🅱 🅱:b:🅱:b:
nocturne tapir
NOT THE B'S
nocturne tapir
i must have been stung in the eyes by bees
everything is B
Amid Beevil perhaps?
frosty drift
bee safe
nocturne tapir
ahahah, playing with aeomega, aextreme and aebaby on is quite something :v
crystal spruce
🅱aeternum
crystal spruce
I think this might be a Known bug? But if you make a Quick Save on a platform that needs an activation button , to make the platform move vertically. Activate the platform using the button then just Quick Load and you be in the place you originally started from but the platform will be moving, i noticed this on the map journeyman Way? were you get that megahealth going up the elevator i assume you are suppose to make haste and time the platform as it's going up?
drowsy halo
THE SCRUNGE!!!! 😎
I like the bosses in this game hehe
slim sapphire
So Uh Ive noticed something
There isn't a weapon tied to slot 9
Is there something yet to be revealed or did I just miss it
nocturne tapir
well we can always hope for more dakka
sand lintel
Yeah the weapons don't go all the way up to 9, you should be able to see all of them in the codex I think
nocturne tapir
i'm not even sure what kind of gun you'd put after the BFG-type
an EBFG?
oh yeah speaking of that gun, one minor gripe i have with it is that the projectile hitbox is so large that it often hits terrain way before i intend it to
slim sapphire
probably some kinda sniper rifle thing
left owl
cosmic sandal
god has spoken
dire briar
DAE MEMES
crystal spruce
Aelphas
left owl
the game looks Aemazing
dire briar
thanks shillboi
wheat yarrow
versed violet
shillboi best boi
drowsy halo
I love how in the survival wave map the angelic knights have new golden variants not in the campaign; the flying one has 'throwing shields' that resemble the Centaur's from Hexen, and the golden varient of Undead Warrior-looking tall type has a floor flame attack akin to the one from Here/xen.
winged ibex
Ooo, exciting.
dire briar
yah @drowsy halo cuz theyre ispired by that nice catch
plain grail
little-known fact, amid evil draws inspiration from a game called heretic
it's pretty obscure you might not have heard of it
waxes hipster moustache
versed violet
You mean amid evil is the retro fps spiritual successor to heretic? Is it the sequel we didn't know we wanted?
narrow breach
it's the sequel we deserve
craggy cypress
just bought amid evil for a friend 
marsh delta
Send me a copy too
And a pizza
I want the pizza with the 111 kinds of cheese hook it up
gentle zealot
send me toast
versed violet
Can it be burnt
versed violet
Send toast to new blood PO box
drowsy halo
One thing I'm curious about tho is... will amid evil (and by extension DUSK) feature level creation? I mean for both unity and unreal there's probuilder and progrids so theoretically one could block out layouts even if not given a way to place assets and whatnot. It wpulkd be an obstacle tho, not knowing the proper scale to work at for each. :P
I say because, on HARD, I blazed thru the 3 episodes in a few hours. Not even the fastest time but like in many FPS games, once the mystery is solved and you understand what to expect from each monster and what all the items do u fight more strategically. Not sure if wave 13 is decent for survival, or if it goes on forever lol.
night ginkgo
Difficulty is getting tweaked
there's also EVIL difficulty, which is hidden
people have gotten into the 90's on survival, believe it or not
drowsy halo
I regret not doing a let's plsy, I should try to do it on EVIL hehe
night ginkgo
(we'll be tweaking horde mode too)
drowsy halo
I believe it! I made a stupid mistake but then my to schedule reared anyway
drowsy halo
92, not too shabby!
But yeah if there'll be a way to make levels in the future, that's would be awesome! I guess it's a question of keeping the assets locked in the game really
night ginkgo
pretty much
UE is really mod unfriendly
I'm still looking into ways around it
might involve some trickery
drowsy halo
Perhaps. In any case, good job! The whole kit and kaboodle's gonna rock.
night ginkgo
thanks m8
drowsy halo
Np! (don't ask me what the heck "kits" and "kaboodles" actually are tho lol)
Anywho I'm off, tty guys l8tr!
queen leaf
Wave 92? Welp calling it quits now 💦
dire briar
DUSK will have an SDK
AMID EVIL will likely not
cuz Unreal
but Leon will try
cuz hes a good boi
queen leaf
Personal best is 22.
dark granite
@drowsy halo dusk will have custom mapping using the same tools quake did
just to answer your question
queen leaf
Dunno why this is the case though considering previous Unreal engines.
prisma galleon
I would, but I don't play Amid Evil.
queen leaf
prisma galleon
Yes I know, I'm a "Heretic" now 😎
queen leaf
Oh well gonna need this then
night ginkgo
Bobby, because I basically would have to release the entire project, uncooked for people to mod
you can't for some reason just make levels using cooked assets
queen leaf
I see ignore me I know nothing.
cursive kestrel
It'd be possible to modify UE4 enough to make AE as moddable as Dusk
but it'd be a fucking gargantuan undertaking
cursive kestrel
I'm not sure it'd be doable as a plugin
The engine itself just misses core features necessary for it
night ginkgo
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cursive kestrel
To make it work as a plugin I'd have to expose some more APIs to C++
then pray that Epic merges such changes into the engine
and then work could begin
Do you know if they still restrict distribution of the editor?
In the past you couldn't even release a customized version of it
night ginkgo
no idea
slim sapphire
So I turned on god mode and infinite mana and I gotta say, rocket jumping with the celestial claw is fun as hell
cursive kestrel
So not only do you need to bundle pretty much the entire game project
You can only distribute it through Epic
:/
night ginkgo
indeed, that's why it sucks
cursive kestrel
Unreal Engine 4 has been designed with modding in mind.
HA
We've also designed Unreal Engine 4's business terms to be friendly to modding.
HA HA
night ginkgo
memes
cursive kestrel
I mean we can get custom licensing to get around the whole "only distribute through Epic" thing
but I imagine they'd try to push us away from that decision
I really don't like this approach they've taken
winged ibex
And as we all know, Epic's security is complete potatoes.
slim sapphire
So I feel like giving a short summary of my thoughts on amid evil before I sit down and script my review video
Mechanics are solid, music is good, story is intriguing and the game is graphically very nice and stylized. The angular nature of everything combined with the shiny lighting effects gives everything a very nice mystical feel.
Enemies aren’t placed very smartly I feel and a lot of encounters can default to just running in the opposite direction while spamming a weapon in their direction until they die. Enemies in the third and first areas suffer from this quite a bit.
All in all, from what we’ve seen I’d give it a solid 7.5/10 in its current state! It’s very fun and the weapons are unique while feeling like fitting evolutions of the kind of magical shenanigans that heretic established. Very excited to see how the game develops.
Also those shadowy enemies in the third area can go fuck themselves with a rusty chainsaw
buoyant phoenix
Pro tip: You can instakill the shadow creatures with the axe.
slim sapphire
Yeah I know that but the windup and stuff can make timing a bitch, and plus at one point a bunch of them jumped on me and cornered me. I literally had like 5 health left after that. So that was fun.
Something I liked about Dusk is how it cuts down on chaser enemies more and more as you go. I think AE could stand to learn from that.
slim sapphire
That’s good
night ginkgo
also we're still tweaking - early access and all - so expect things to change
slim sapphire
Ye, I know! Part of why I posted that here.
Also the flying flamethrower heads are a bit annoying. Maybe slow them down a bit to make backing away from them easier?
And maybe give them the ability to shoot balls of Fire if they’re too far away to use the flamethrower, just so they’re not utterly useless at long range.
buoyant phoenix
Also will the final boss be in a separate episode Quake style or will he be the final bos of "???"
slim sapphire
I’d be down with the former approach considering you have to manually enter each episode. It’d be a nice excuse to make like a fucking hellgate.
It’s like
Every other portal is the same
You get to the final boss portal and it’s a giant hellgate of death
In fact, you know what it could look like?
buoyant phoenix
Oh yeah that's a pretty neat idea.
night ginkgo
we already got an idea of what we want
versed violet
;) some lucky kids had a peek into that idea
cold ravine
That scene with the floating portal reminds me of the entrance to nihilanths chamber
buoyant phoenix
Because it is?
cold ravine
@buoyant phoenix Omg yeah
lament tartan
What if the final boss of Amid Evil is you get secretly matchmade with someone playing Dusk and you have a shootout?
crystal spruce
Big John but he is mutated.
nocturne tapir
Amid John
lament tartan
Big Evil
devout jackal
Amidus Johnus
crystal spruce
eh it could just be me because if someone has input lag to deal with its probably me but i kinda feel like the blunt strafing from left to right a bit unresponsive or just lacks a bit of accerlation..... any1 else otherwise i just blame the input lag or my mentally challanged state for it
vestal palm
I haven't noticed anything, however, you should look into disabling vsync if it's on since it can create generally input lag
crystal spruce
i know what vsync is, its not the issue on my side however vsync gives u input lag you are right ofc
vestal palm
It depends on the game, some might have higher input lag than others. IIRC people say fifa vsync input lag is quite big.
crystal spruce
but it always gives u input lag
vestal palm
yes, sometimes it is more noticable
plucky isle
MAYBE depends on the engine
crystal spruce
lmao i catch myself yelling in my head "FUCKING TRIDENT MOTHERFUCKERS"
quasi pier
i have 144 hz monitor...what is input lag??🤔
sand lintel
i wish i've ever owned a monitor higher than 60 hz to feel the difference
quasi pier
also "tridenting mutherfuckers" is so good after patch 2
crystal spruce
yeah 144hz is a good idea i will buy this guy in the near future, not the best but for sure the best for its price and size
AOC AG322QCX
sand lintel
strange setting to take a screenshot of a monitor
crystal spruce
indeed but i just looked for an image to showoff i m not advertising that thing 😃
dark granite
It's a nice upgrade
I just recently made the leap
I got a pg279q in a repossession auction for dirt cheap
Like 600$ off the msrp
It's a shame because they had three of them, but I couldn't be sure they were working
So I took the 200$ gamble on one and it SUPER paid off
hidden dune
but can you play AE at epic settings w/ virtual super resolution and still get 144fps?
dark granite
I don't believe in super resolution, it's a myth
dark granite
I personally think that people who use dsr and the like are silly
hidden dune
i once tried to play Turok 1 on my pc at like 7220p or some shit with the glide wrapper like that and I still managed to get over 30 fps
it was so
i don't know
smooth?
i still think the people who compare ae to turok are weird
is it a limited reference pool?
crystal spruce
ebay can be a lootbox sometimes
devout olive
winged ibex
Rad
slim sapphire
thank god, that was something that felt rather jank
slim sapphire
physics engines can be weird
night ginkgo
I believe I messed with it when they player used to be shorter
so the jump out height was lower than usual
dire briar
unreal player height is notoriously short
drives me nuts
fukin walk up to doors and ur like
a midgey
rotund bloom
It's a well known fact that FPS game's see through the protagonist's torso which explains why the gun is always right in front of you.
So it's all appropriately proportioned.
plain grail
is the enemy AI pretty much final? these damn berserker goons keep getting in the way when I try to pop someone with a voltride overkill
it's like they're so stupid they're smart
thwarting me without realizing it
night ginkgo
still tweaking
flying ai for example was borked, and would come right up to you
they're supposed to hang back
we've got more interesting guys later on
some dodgers and relfectors and stuff
guys that can pull you toward them
soon.jpg
plain grail
neat
buoyant phoenix
Hi I want a bit of clarification about the lore
In E2 are the sentinels the parasites or the warriors they infected?
crystal spruce
@night ginkgo I love how vicious the AI is still one of my favorite things about AE
devout olive
Zawada AI
slim sapphire
Oh thank god the flying enemies wont get up in my grill
nocturne tapir
o god dodgy enemies, gonna need dat voltride more than ever before it seems :v
sounds great so far though, looking forward to it!
hidden dune
Is it true that the sound of the charged-up Aeturnum is actually just Leon saying "Chur" slowed down 800%?
lofty thistle
What's the name of the staff in Amid Evil again
plucky isle
Azure Orb?
nocturne tapir
in that vein i'm probably going to start referring to the celestial claw as the clorb, because claw orb and it sounds funny
woeful saffron
OH MAN, we get to see what Episode 4 will be next week
plucky isle
I BET it is Solar Solstice
woeful saffron
Yeah like 95% sure it will be
plucky isle
Well, as expected:)
woeful saffron
Since they already got some enemies and showed off some maps of it in the trailers
plucky isle
Moreover it was shown at PAX Aus in 2017 as well
woeful saffron
ah never caught onto that, well just super excited for both Amid Evil and Dusk!
plucky isle
..and they will show us MEMES instead of Dusk ep3 right Dave?
woeful saffron
oh boy, just all of Big John
hidden dune
was there a specific reason why ep 1 and 2 are played in order but eps 3 through 6 can be played in any order? or is there an NDA that prevents details like this from being released?
plucky isle
PAX East 2018 Dusk Episode 3 Demonstration
drowsy halo
I intend to leave a review as well! It's a positive experience thus far, but I have a need to wordsmithify my wares to the up-most degree first!
😎 😂
plucky isle
Leave a positive review -> get a free colour theory course
crystal spruce
lol
drowsy halo
I'd be up if they're down lol! Even if u know some things about it, couldn't hurt to improve. Making a level for any game look good involves good contrast of a good, themed color selection. Offset those browns and greys!
plucky isle
SOON?
drowsy halo
(Which amid evil does, as if answering vanilla quakes problem lol)
woeful saffron
Can't wait for Hordes of Evil to be more iterated upon
crystal spruce
And a minigun?
drowsy halo
Voltridge is the chgaingun, azure staff is a pistol / machinegun
devout olive
might be a hot take but I like hordes of evil a lot better than dusk endless
steel brook
I have a feeling I'll like Dusk endless way more once there's custom maps
devout olive
yeah that too
I really didn't like endless 2 tbh
hope 3 will be more open
....like hordes of evil
slim sapphire
Yeah dusk endless feels. A bit weirdly bland compared to what amid evil has
Which is bizarre
void horizon
yeah tbh endless in Dusk is very much not the main focus, but it's there as a fun way to kill things if you're bored.
I've thought about doing bigger maps post release, once the monolith that is the campaign is out of the way
we'll see
steel brook
Post-release is going to be a treat 🎊
vocal ingot
I dunno, I think endless 1 is still loads of fun.
Endless 2 is okay, but not as good yeah
queen leaf
For sure, do personally like 1 way nore over 2
crystal spruce
Amid Mobile
void horizon
what do you guys like better about 1 out of curiosity?
devout olive
too cramped imo
endless 1 had more room to dodge and move around which is what dusk really excels at
I like hordes of evil for the same reason because it's nice and open to allow you to evade attacks
I feel like a lot more of my deaths in arena 2 were due to falling down when I didn't mean to or not having enough room to maneuver around explosive splash damage
vocal ingot
It's not so much that it's cramped as the environment in 2 being kinda jarring to navigate. There's not really much ability to build up speed and hup around. Plus rather than feeling like one big arena it feels like you're jumping around between a few fairly seperated arenas, each of which are kinda just linear platforms. At least it feels like that until you get hit by someone from a separate section.
It's not a critical flaw and it's still enjoyable enough for me, so 🤷
sand lintel
horizontally small and too exposed of a map from the verticality, makes dodging bullets really hard when things spawn so many different angles from you and feels like there isn't really any where specifically good to hold but on the top of the silos crouching
devout olive
^
honest dirge
I always thought for endless e2m6 would be good a map . That one is huge with lots of space to move around etc.
oak fulcrum
is multiplayer planned for this game?
honest dirge
I think at the moment it's sp only
night ginkgo
multiplayer is beyond the scope of me and simmo at this point
remember AE is mainly developed by just us
honest dirge
I can live with sp only. For mp I've Duskworld.
gentle zealot
neat
honest dirge
when will the update approximately be ready?
night ginkgo
it got delayed due to some issues
we're still testing
likely will be tomorrow (if all goes well)
winged ibex
Exciting, keep up the great work.
oak fulcrum
Alright, cool. Was mostly just wondering. Game is great so far.
devout olive
oooooh looks very nice
honest dirge
thx for the answer Leon. Agree with all others that the game is fantastic.
night ginkgo
honest dirge
I'm curious: have you found a fix for this weapon behavior thing when you have specific fps?
winged ibex
Weapon behaviour thing?
honest dirge
yeah
some people talked about the weapons being faster of slower on different fps and that capping fps at 133 would be fastest weapon movement
winged ibex
As in animation speed or firing speed.
gentle zealot
both
gentle zealot
he thinks it's UE being UE and annoying
honest dirge
I hope it can be fixed
winged ibex
I'd assume it'd be some sort of programming oversight, because sometimes devs link things to the framerate by accident and such.
winged ibex
Oh, so UE4 has some weird thing where you can't make sprites not tied to framerate?
night ginkgo
er it's a custom system I made
winged ibex
Ah, alrighty.
winged ibex
Yeah, sometimes there isn't a lot you can do with stuff like this.
Hopefully you can find a way to fix it, but for now I understand.
night ginkgo
well there is, it's supposed to remove frames if it goes under the limit
but for some reason specific frame rates make it fire faster
which is bizzare
ie 133 is faster than 135
winged ibex
Weird.
night ginkgo
yeah can't figure that one out
also another reason why MP won't happen
because we can't have people with advantages like that
honest dirge
yeah makes total sense
quasi pier
tommorow patch? tommorow is saturday
winged ibex
I just realised, it's tomorrow right now.
lofty thistle
What would you guys categorize the Whisper's Edge on the 'Standard Doom guns' nonsense
Plasma rifle?
honest dirge
shotgun
winged ibex
If I'm going to be pedantic;.
lofty thistle
I've been working to salvage the tvtropes page for Amid Evil
Well, Star of Torment works as the shotgun
Due to the spread
honest dirge
it's more a railgun
lofty thistle
Dunno if this works
I guess I could link the page if some folks here have a tvtropes account
night ginkgo
not really
lofty thistle
Whoever created it has long abandoned it apparently
night ginkgo
azure orb homes
honest dirge
the whispers edge has more spread like a shotgun does have
queen leaf
Voltride got quite the range too
quasi pier
any highlights what features are gonna be in update 3?
honest dirge
chaingun
queen leaf
Voltride = Voltride
winged ibex
The thing about the Azure Orb is it's got seeking projectiles.
And Voltride is sorta a hitscanner.
You can't really put a lot of weapons under categories.
night ginkgo
the whispers edge is unique in games as far as I can tell
devout olive
voltride is the lightning gun from quake if anything
devout olive
whisper's edge is the nobitsura kage from shadow warrior
winged ibex
I'd say just put the Voltride as a lightning gun.
Whispers edge is sorta a sweeper weapon.
quasi pier
aethernum is BFG obviusly
devout olive
soul mode whisper's edge is almost the exact same as the nobitsura kage in the last level of sw13
lofty thistle
Whispers Edge as the super shotgun?
honest dirge
Aeternum is also Dark Matter Gun in soul mode
lofty thistle
@night ginkgo Did some dicking around, would this be close to describe the azure orb?
Sorry for the bother btw
night ginkgo
¯_(ツ)_/¯
queen leaf
What's this exactly for?
lofty thistle
A semi-abandoned tvtropes page for the game
queen leaf
Huh right
lofty thistle
I was bored, okay?
queen leaf
All good just wasn't sure
queen leaf
Oh man you gotta
lofty thistle
My pc got bricked a while ago and I'm kinda stuck with this laptop
The cursed 32 bit
queen leaf
Oh darn sorry to hear
lofty thistle
Playing through Heretic myself
queen leaf
Granted I do that regardless 👌
lofty thistle
It's a good time
night ginkgo
queen leaf
Indeed
lofty thistle
Good bot
versed violet
Leon shilling himself
eternal cedar
dire briar
the new update is so nice u gusy
flying enemies dont come at u now so it totally changes the pacing and makes it feel WAY better
and you cant hit Soul Mode while firing now
so you wont hit it by accident
also u can get out of water easier
all real nice changes
also we added more memes
vestal palm
wow they're all really nice changes, thanks for tweaking!
finite shuttle
WHEN?™
vestal palm
honest dirge
change soon™ to now™ please
vestal palm
Quickly thought of a new episode progression as well. I was thinking about making solar solstice the second episode so that the issues about the enemy placement in e3 could be resolved by adding e2 enemies to the roster. Idk if you would prefer it though over the current one. I am very sceptic about a change in the episodes myself since e2 is so different than e1 that it shocks you, and I'm not sure how it would do for an e2 just for that. Talk about video game philosophies.
honest dirge
"also we added more memes" - more "buy Dusk" messages? 😄
dire briar
nah also Solar Solstice is way harder than Ep 2
and its thematically similar to Ep 1
so putting them back to back isn't a great idea
but once you do 1/2 you can do the rest in any order
honest dirge
Jonathan the Barbarian: no - Conan The Librarian: yes 😂
vestal palm
yea that's what I though as well, it wouldn't flow well and might have been boring to play through, what is essentially an expansion to e1. With much better options currently than that, it is kind of pointless.
dire briar
SHIP IT
drowsy halo
They should pay homage to that architectural instance that is "The Guard Tower" from Heretic by converting something similar to be like a colliseum instead, where u haveta raise the water to get the platform to #goHigher..........
......
Oh, wait.... ;)
plain grail
Shadesmaster is typing...
frosty drift
you almost hit the spam filter there heh
slim sapphire
I wrote a script for a video review of amid evil, anyone wanna see
Its long-ish but I had fun writing it
plain grail
sure
it's shit
wait
i need to read first
I'll just ctrl+c "it's shit" for quick access
plain grail
just pastebin it
slim sapphire
oh good idea
slim sapphire
plucky isle
slim sapphire
no
plucky isle
😐
slim sapphire
either way Im gonna touch it up, record it, and make a video
Ive been collecting footage for it and i am quite excited, first video review Ive ever done
slim sapphire
its so cool
nocturne tapir
i like how it even hoovers up the large golems
my sole beef with it is that it also destroys the souls of the enemies it spaghettifies
plucky isle
C'mon the black hole's just hungry, let it have some meal
nocturne tapir
yeah, gotta let it stay big and stronk
plucky isle
Yeah the soul destruction is done for balancing I guess, otherwise it would give too many souls at once
nocturne tapir
most likely yes
honestly fair enough, considering how ridiculously powerful it is
plucky isle
Yeah especially in Hordes of Evil
nocturne tapir
it's quite possibly even more powerful than the classic BFG, what with it being able to gobble up a theoretically infinite amount of mooks that enter its radius
slim sapphire
“I have an army.”
“We have an Aeternum.”
plucky isle
lol
nocturne tapir
the thing that POKES A HOLE IN THE SPACE-TIME CONTINUUM.
plain grail
review is not 90% about the Voltride and how awesome it is
into the trash it goes
i'd say do one more draft on it, you got some kinda redundant/excess words in there
plain grail
and know exactly what to expect from what this game has to offer.
nocturne tapir
aw yiss, free aeternum
lofty thistle
I for one can't wait for the Harry Potter mod
I still never understood what the Aeternum is based off looks wise
nocturne tapir
string theory probably :v
plain grail
it's like weaving threads i guess
an unraveler
also i headcanon the black hole of the soul mode aeternum as a Sphere of Annihiliation
nocturne tapir
there's something specific it reminds me of but i can't quite remember
plucky isle
The black hole sucked your memory
vestal palm
Eh, isn't the aeternum purple?
nocturne tapir
man this makes me wonder if it's possible to have the colour of a weapon be randomized for each player
plucky isle
No. It is red.
nocturne tapir
that'd be amusing
plucky isle
LEARN COLOR THEORY
nocturne tapir
already working on it :U
lofty thistle
Maybe the demons are just colorblind
vestal palm
that's a nice feature you're suggesting actually, changing the aeternum's colour would be cool, the only one where it would make sense and be realistic. It could be done on other weapons but that would be impossible.
nocturne tapir
mostly i'd be amused at the trolling potential if nobody could agree on what colour the thing was :v
but that'd work too
its appearance is influenced by interdimensional forces!
much like the mind and actions of our protagonist :v
the monsters are like "why's he constantly hacking away at the floor with that axe"
"why's he shooting the walls"
nocturne tapir
IS LIKE BORSCHT, BUT IN STRIPS
plucky isle
yup
latent pagoda
guess who just got AE
plucky isle
🤔
latent pagoda
Gary busey!!! jk I bought it
latent pagoda
I sure am
nocturne tapir
also i have come to a hypothesis for how the appearance of the aeternum was devised
plucky isle
lmao
latent pagoda
haha
slim sapphire
someone once drew a gijinka of the bfg and me in my infinite lack of any standards wanna do the same for the aeternum
this is what happens when you're an artist
nocturne tapir
a giwhatnow
slim sapphire
god dammit
nocturne tapir
roffle
well it's basically a folded borscht noodle of untold power, so i'd probably make it a squiggly stickman :v
slim sapphire
The idea I had was a woman of solid purple metal whose forearms trail off into the coils
I love how the lore of the weapons details their abilities and origins and the aeternum is just "we have no idea what this thing is, but it kills everything"
plucky isle
It's like some SCP object lol
slim sapphire
the idea that it exists across multiple planes of existence makes me wonder if it'll be like the moonlight greatsword in that we'll see it in other NB published games
🤔
plucky isle
AeternA?
slim sapphire
goddammit
nocturne tapir
:U
plucky isle
😐
hidden dune
holy shit, this place went...places after I stopped playing AE
happy about mouse-sensitivity.com though
They measure AE in vertical FOV but I'm pretty sure it goes by horizontal
Man, playing AE with my exact same Duskworld sensitivity feels so good. Makes jumping off the upper levels in HoE mode while firing planets so much more precise for me.
quasi pier
ok but....AE update when?
plucky isle
Soon?
gentle zealot
within the next few days
hidden dune
I've noticed that in recent updates, the azure orb soul mode attack seems to cut out the audio. Is there some kind of "MaxChannels" thing in the .ini that could circumvent this? You used to be able to do this in older unreal engines (Bioshock 1 in particular)
nocturne tapir
hopefully it's Soon(tm) normal time and not valve time
but, i wish not for things to be rushed
plucky isle
valve time (UTC +10000000000)
nocturne tapir
the clocks at valve HQ have 12 instances of "soon" instead of actual numbers
plucky isle
lol yeah
latent pagoda
after the boss in the second episode my knuckles ache
nocturne tapir
i've found that soul'd staff of torment works extremely well if you hit it from below
ALL the shards hit it
latent pagoda
what that mace that shots ice shards?
nocturne tapir
yep
normally it'd take half the shards at most, but for some reason, every single one of them hits instantly if you shoot it in the butt
bug or weakspot, i don't know :v
latent pagoda
thanks for the advice but I already bet the boss
gentle zealot
certain enemies are weaker to certain weapons
nocturne tapir
for sure brosiff i was just reminded of it now that you mentioned it
it has a SHIT TON of health otherwise
also i wonder, does enemy colouration somehow correlate with what weapons they're weak to?
gentle zealot
no idea
latent pagoda
¯_(:/)_/¯
thorn geyser
Just type /shrug lol
plucky isle
¯(:/)/¯
thorn geyser
¯_(ツ)_/¯
latent pagoda
yea I suck at making emoticons
nocturne tapir
i know golems get shrek'd by the claw and all small mooks get partyzapped by the voltride, but that besides...
night ginkgo
if you can get the 2nd boss to land on an aeturnum shot, it does tons of damage
tricky to pull off tho
plucky isle
Yeah it is even difficult to make an accurate planet shot at him
let alone the aeternum ball
nocturne tapir
o boy, the Tricky Top Tier Tricks
so far i've just slung spiky balls at its arse, that works well enough for me :v
night ginkgo
yeah that works
plucky isle
WAIT
nocturne tapir
i am in absolute love with the soul'd staff of torment, it's so satisfying
nocturne tapir
it's especially hilarious when you have fast weapons on :V
also curiously, i found the third boss to be much easier to dodge when i didn't run around like crazy but holy shit that health pool
fuckin cool fight though
ok i've been debating with myself whether or not to do this but i'm gonna do it, then i shall take a little break from posting dumb vaguely related things
nocturne tapir
hee
rest assured that i wouldn't be doing all these dumb things if i didn't love what you guys were doing :v
plucky isle
Possible HP boost for Moon Guardian?
slim sapphire
Amima sounds kinda cool, mind if I use that for something
plucky isle
Just don't use it for anime
upper epoch
Just beat Amid evil on evil difficulty
crystal spruce
Well you are the devil should be easy for you
I just need to finish stuff then replay
I've restarted 3 times because I can't find all secrets before moon boss.
winged ibex
Maybe disable quick saving in Evil mode.
slim sapphire
Question, when I finish and upload this review, where should I drop the link? Creative or Amid Evil?
(the review's of amid evil for those who werent here)
devout olive
is the review a video?
devout olive
slim sapphire
thank ya kindly!
devout olive
👍
slim sapphire
lone hatch
Thats a good amid evil post
devout olive
smdh
slim sapphire
Finished the video, just need to upload it, schedule the list time, and then post it in creative.
and oh god that’s gonna be a mess ain’t it
Used the like two amid evil tracks in the video to add to the atmosphere, hope that’s okay long as I put links to your YouTube and the videos @wheat yarrow
crystal spruce
aye
devout olive
tell em boi
crystal spruce
thoroughly enjoy AE level design love this game so far New Blood is knocking it out 2 beast 90s throwback titles under their belt 👌
devout olive
Yeah both AE and Dusk are fantastic
night ginkgo
thanks m8
devout olive
versed violet
Which is better? Lets ask the youtube comment section
crystal spruce
Two good games for the price of one '''AAA'' *Wack -a-Mole'' Title
also buy ion maiden to be the ultimate good guy
slim sapphire
I have Ion Maiden, Dusk and Amid Evil
I’ve finished what’s released of dusk and AE I just need to finish Ion Maiden
plucky isle
That won't take too much time haha
frosty drift
ion maiden is about an hour long atm
it's more of a teaser than a game currently
what's there is good though 👌
plucky isle
yeah
They said the pieces of the current maps would be integrated into the other maps of the full campaign
crystal spruce
if u expierence performance issues try the testing build, that runs better for me
crystal spruce
yeah it looks pretty "descent"
but those titles didn t hook me much for whatever reason, same with forsaken
quasi pier
btw ForsakenEX port is in the making
drowsy halo
Hehe lol
quasi pier
hello Shadesmaster,i played Your wads,good stuff
plucky isle
speaking of wads, they turned everyone into admins on Zdoom forums for the 1st of April lol
drowsy halo
Down upside is everything
thorn geyser
ɥʇnɹʇ ǝɥ┴
devout olive
dunno what you're talking about
drowsy halo
Reversified it all is
plain grail
LIVE DIMA OUT ™NOOS
vocal ingot
soon mt tuo amid evil?
merry flame
merry flame
puılq əɹɐ uns əɥʇ dıɥsɹoʍ plnoʍ oɥʍ əsoɥʇ
merry flame
əɹol Бuıʇıɔəɹ
gentle zealot
˙ʇɐǝɹƃ os ǝɹ,ʎǝɥʇ ʞuᴉɥʇ sǝʇʎloɔɐ uns ǝsoɥ┴
devout jackal
¡ɐɯᴉp ǝɥʇ ǝsᴉɐɹԀ
latent pagoda
whoa what the hell is going on with the channel names
tall temple
🤷
latent pagoda
every things going all topsy tervy
plucky isle
The server is hacked, every devs' PC is hacked too, so Dusk and AE are both cancelled
latent pagoda
damit!!
plucky isle
Russian hackers are merciless
plucky isle
No it's not.
latent pagoda
stop lying
latent pagoda
ok I believe you and to the hackers here is a message from me dear hackers FUUUUCK YOU!!!!!!!
plucky isle
latent pagoda
yea just keep laughing hey is it me or are their cops coming to arrest you?
merry flame
especially when he's lıʌə pıɯɐ
hidden dune
if duskman smoke cigar and postalman smoke crack what aedude smoke
plucky isle
WAIT
@hidden dune
have you read the Codex?
It is said...
That every weapon has a crystal...
🤔 🤔 🤔
hidden dune
what if in e6, leon makes a transparent "crystal" texture swap of the golem who is immune to the star of torment just to piss off people like gggmanlives even more that they can't just spam that weapon to win the game?
in fact
every time you shoot crystals at one
it grows bigger and gains more health
slim sapphire
LIVE DIMA
plucky isle
Dima is dead.
hidden dune
plucky isle
Dima is actually a shortened version of the Russian name Dmitry
hidden dune
also a genus of click beetles
plucky isle
Dima hirtipennis? Nice.
hidden dune
ok serious question now
is indefatigable the best new zealand game developer?
because I just checked out a list of them and uhh
not really impressed by this country's work outside of Amid Evil
Grinding Gear Games sounds notable, but in my book they are instantly disqualified for having a family guy reference as their company name
(holy crap louis)
lone hatch
Grinding Gears was a phrase before family guy used it
sand lintel
grinding gear games are the people that make path of exile arent they? that's a pretty dope game
but yeah doesnt look likea whole lot comes out of nz
gilded bane
