and in the current fps design "Meta" retro shooters just allow for more creativity
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
olive cloud
like when was the last time you've seen ground pounds and double jumps in AAA fps games
tardy slate
titanfall 2
olive cloud
obviously it's more popular now because of Doom 2016 doom eternal and Titan fall 2
olive cloud
titanfall 2
I'd argue that titanfall 2 wasn't as popular as it could've been
tardy slate
AAA is AAA
olive cloud
Maybe i didn't phrase it right
but even fps games that have these kind of things still do a lot of things that are uncharacteristic for them because it's just expected of fps games
merry osprey
We should call these newer ones "neo boomer shooter"
boreal ocean
hup hup hup hup hup hup hup
pulsar nova
Zoomer Shooter
boreal ocean
more games should let you do flips
olive cloud
We should call these newer ones "neo boomer shooter"
But why
rapid kite
goop
olive cloud
We should call these newer ones "neo boomer shooter"
dusk, ion fury, amid evil etc. Play for the most part exactly like other boomer shooters as if they were released in the same time period
so why call them "neo" boomer shooter
quiet dock
Would it be accurate to just lump them all together and call them 'retro shooters' or is that term too specific to work?
blazing bridge
My teacher told me what I was doing on the weekends and I saidI was making maps for dusk and I told her all about it. She said she will look into it.
olive cloud
Would it be accurate to just lump them all together and call them 'retro shooter...
idk
people call them boomer shooters but the term retro doesn't really say a lot
if you would have a shooter that from its gameplay is completely different than doom, quake, build engine fps etc. You would have to call it retro
the first call of duty released 17 years ago and even if people are hesitant you would have to call that retro at some point as well even tho COD is different from boomer shooters
boreal ocean
boomy
trail osprey
found that someone made a dusk looking gmod map https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1873205348
eternal sky
Reminds me of music machine actually
north oak
Zamboni 4 life
vague egret
give it time. discord is slow sometimes with role changes
crimson folio
ur slow sometimes with role changes
vague egret
audit log shows it working properly. anyways i manually added the role to you
covert raven
Aight, cheers
wicked anvil
What does the crystal of maddnes do?
Found 2 in sawdust went over to it thinking it whould give me morale and i picked it up, threw it and it made a gas cloud
upbeat pecan
makes enemies friendly
wicked anvil
K thx
willow remnant
Makes enemies kill each other
cyan ocean
yeah it makes the enemies infight
pulsar nova
it’s a very useful tool
upbeat pecan
yea its nice for crowds or creating traffic jams. You can force a lot of consistent infights without it though and some enemies like cart dogs basically always in fight
because theyre so wide another enemy always hits them lol
pulsar nova
if you cause two welders to infight they basically always kill each other
since they explode on death
willow remnant
Oh my god yes. They're so... Nopenopenope
crimson folio
how many episodes are there
tardy slate
3
stark mango
the horrors are genuinely terrifying
wide bane
the stuff of reasons why i don't sleep at nght.
olive cloud
grab your ssg plushy and sleep tight
crimson folio
So cuute
crimson folio
grab your ssg plushy and sleep tight
better yet, grab your irl shotgun if you have one
amber sparrow
i have a flyswatter
crimson folio
better yet, grab your irl shotgun if you have one
Don't hurt the poor thing :(
nocturne salmon
☣️ EDGY INBOUND ☣️
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languid mist
i know its dumb to ask but is co-op still planned?
blazing bridge
yeh
north oak
I hate these things
I wasn't expecting them to move so fast
amber sparrow
on which difficulty?
some monsters are up to twice as fast on the two highest difficulty settings as otherwise, not sure about horrors though
If I had to guess how it scales, my guess would be that it is doubled but is capped below the player's run speed so that no enemy can outrun the player
not sure about cart dog's attack though
serene crystal
I play on cero miedo
stark mango
Im working my way up to CM but even on i can take it they're still pretty fast
pliant wraith
i'm still trying to beat duskmare
crimson folio
olive cloud
haha lol
north oak
on which difficulty?
I played on normal, so imagining them going even faster would be pretty neat. Terrifying, but neat
amber sparrow
already fast enemies don't really become faster
crimson folio
amber sparrow
vivid magnet
Horrifying
amber sparrow
@crimson folio I don't think it's explicitly stated anywhere, but I believe posting about that guy here isn't good
obtuse prairie
he counts as a controversial figure i think
not sure so don't take my word for it
upbeat pecan
why does e3m1 have rivet ammo?
frosty storm
Keep moving, and sickles reflect projectiles if timed correctly
crimson folio
Tf is a sickle
frosty storm
Yeah but no damage or speed boost sadly
If you got ultrakill down you'll be fine in Dusk
crimson folio
Is it just as fast paced
frosty storm
Dusk isn't quite as fast paced as UK imo but it's still lightning fast. Once you get into the groove of the game it's amazing
amber sparrow
Dusk is just running and shooting basically
crimson folio
I'm very good at that
vivid magnet
Also, strafehopping breaks the sound barrier
pulsar nova
bunny hopping is very very easy in dusk, and moving diagonally also gains speed
so just jump forward while moving diagonally and you go very fast
also very much worth noting: if an enemy hits another with an attack (usually projectiles, unsure if they can land melees on each other) they start to fight each other
vivid magnet
And soap one hit kills everything
royal falcon
Does dont drop it count towards the secret levels?
Or, let me rephrase that, do i have to pick up soap on secret levels to get the dont drop it achievement
crimson folio
soap?
olive cloud
Anything I should watch out for
#lfg-signup and turning of camera animations.
crimson folio
Tf is lfg
olive cloud
you can @ here and find people to play duskworld with
crimson folio
Hmmmmmm
amber sparrow
crimson folio
How many levels are there in each episode
quiet dock
10 + 1 secret level IIRC
amber sparrow
33 surely implies that it's going to be a trilogy though 👀
royal falcon
reverse the thirty in thirty three you get an 8 then turn it sideways you get what can only be described as
boobies
pulsar nova
man i’d love a dusk ep4
upbeat pecan
Some of the custom maps I've played are so high quality they basically are episode 4.
north oak
What's a good resource for checking out custom maps?
amber sparrow
crimson folio
the actual site is https://dusk.mod.io
north oak
Thanks, I'll check the site out 🙂
prisma halo
although I don't think duskmods works with https, so I tend to link the latter
opaque spindle
vale oar
Probably i dunno xD
pulsar nova
i’ve seen this before on the game i modded in the past, unsure if my knowledge there applies to unity
prisma halo
It's a fog trigger
vale oar
pog trigger 
eternal sky
Yankjank
crimson folio
This game reminds me of Half-Life and Doom combined
amber sparrow
fog color change
doesn't seem to be very fixable because you both need red fog looking down and blue fog in the hallway
olive cloud
This game reminds me of Half-Life and Doom combined
you can also just think of it as it's own game
crimson folio
sorry
olive cloud
you can also just think of it as it's own game
whoever said this is a huge asshole
wise crane
Who has a 10/10 face IRL
olive cloud
😊
wise crane
🥵
obtuse prairie
doom is usually the more well-known one
slow dawn
and halo
eternal sky
Tru
amber sparrow
Gameplay-wise DUSK feels closer to Doom than to anything else pretty much
proven sinew
I can't find anything to compare it with
Dusks combat flow feels like its own thing
obtuse prairie
yeah dusk does feel closer to doom than quake gameplay
proven sinew
It does feel kinda like doom
hollow shadow
to me it feels more like quake
obtuse prairie
quake's enemies are sort of spongy, and i don't really get that from dusk
hollow shadow
doom’s level design is super arcadey
pulsar nova
dusk’s enemy health progression is strange
E2 introduces very low-health enemies compared to E1
hollow shadow
where as dusk and quake have that more atmospheric focus
proven sinew
It feels like dooms combat with quake level design
pulsar nova
then E3’s are like, in the middle
hollow shadow
It feels like dooms combat with quake level design
THIS
proven sinew
With some Blood inspirations sprinkled in
pulsar nova
E1’s enemies are really tanky compared to E2, a scarecrow takes more shots to kill than a massive dude with a welding hat on
hollow shadow
true but a lot old fps games had weird difficulty balancing
blood’s hardest episode is the first one because you don’t have the tesla cannon and the other weapons and theres way more cultists
so maybe david was going for that but i feel the progression is pretty natural
amber sparrow
E1’s enemies are really tanky compared to E2, a scarecrow takes more shots to ki...
welders are more equivalent to leathernecks
also consider cowgirls
pulsar nova
cowgirls definitely but i feel like it’s mostly with enemy design
also i don’t know what a leatherneck is sorry
hollow shadow
welders die quicker than scarecrows but pretty much attack constantly
amber sparrow
welders are lower tier in general than scarecrows
hollow shadow
ye
amber sparrow
i admit that fork maidens are really tanky though, which comes more from their slimness than from their health
they do have more health than scarecrows though
pulsar nova
all that said E2 is my favorite episode
i fucking love the wendigo intro
also, fork maidens? are those the uh, witches that fire blue projectiles?
amber sparrow
Fork maidens have more health than they have the right to
Yeah they throw pitchforks that have blue particles around them
like, the first fork maiden encounter is just a total dick and if you don't know it's there / finish the level to escape / have enough health you are pretty fucking likely to die
like on CM those bitches do 80 damage per attack
proven sinew
Well for non intruder mode players, most people have an ssg by then
amber sparrow
and it's two of them in a small place without any prior warning
killing them both requires 4 SSG shots at least
proven sinew
Its there to discern the worthy from the unworthy
amber sparrow
like it's just a real dick move and David knows it
No it's a dick move even if you're worthy lol
proven sinew
I guess David had a John romero moment while making the level
amber sparrow
Yes
I think it's just the right dose
In the game overall
If the game gave you John Romero moments constantly it could get boring and annoying pretty damn fast
pulsar nova
i need to replay E1
i played the game back in 2019 on i can take it, got stuck on the last boss of E1
i returned to it just last week and beat that boss on CM intruder, then ddi the last 2 episodes
pulsar nova
admittedly E1 isn’t as good as the others, plus i wasn’t nearly as good or knowledgeable back then
so i gave up on it
what a mistake i made
amber sparrow
i played the game back in 2019 on i can take it, got stuck on the last boss of E...
last boss of e1 has fucking insane damage output
24 per hit on I Can Take It, fuller auto attack speed
proven sinew
I think the worst dick move is the wendigo on the e2m8 beginning rooms
He always gets me
amber sparrow
i think e1m10 was balanced for a different difficulty setting than the rest of E1
the boss is far from unbeatable but the damage output is still fucking insane
upbeat pecan
their tracking is pretty poor tho, once you hit the speed cap like most enemies they track you much slower and can't hit you linearly
hollow shadow
i just jumped in circles lmao
upbeat pecan
yea exactly lol
hollow shadow
experiment can fuck you up if you don’t speed cap tho
amber sparrow
I'm pretty sure turning speed of enemies isn't very limited and they will always aim directly at you
they never lead shots
upbeat pecan
yea but if you strafe hop in a circle they'll track you but the projectiles will never reach you in time
yea
amber sparrow
they track you well but they don't lead shots
they track you perfectly
higher spread enemies can be a nightmare
upbeat pecan
even a lot of them like scarecrows don't really have the ability to hit you as you move sideways
amber sparrow
yeah but they don't actually that much spread
nothing has as much spread as e1m10 boss though
hollow shadow
what about big john
lusty jacinth
upbeat pecan
lol
amber stone
fight it john
amber sparrow
fight it john
lol
viscid lion
i always felt that the lower health of some of the episode 2 enemies was balanced by their damage output. Sort of like a glass cannon, you know?
amber sparrow
only scientists
viscid lion
the welders honestly remind me of the caccodemons in doom eternal a lot. Really effective pressure enemies, but can be one shot if you use the right weapon. LIke, their purpose is to force you to focus on them, but if you know what to do, it's only a quick distraction
crimson folio
Except, unlike doom eternal, they arent completely pathetic
royal falcon
Dusk tshirt came in today
amber sparrow
Doom Eternal cacos are kinda fucking tough now with their AI
royal falcon
Pog
amber sparrow
They became incredibly aggressive with a patch
in Dusk you just click on shit and it dies, it's way easier
viscid lion
when i did my nightmare run about 2 months ago, caccos would absolutely fuck me up if they got close. Their three fireball attack also does like 180 damage if they all hit you, so you need to make sure they dont sneak up on you
pulsar nova
cacodemons are kinda hard in eternal, easily one-shootable but in the DLC there’s a fight with 5 of them lmfao
crimson folio
people keep compaing stuff to doom
As someone who didn't play Quake yet I meat to say that it feels like the best of both worlds from Doom and Half life aka the versatile and fun gunplay and lots of atmospheric locations and a good amount of mobility
slow dawn
if u like dusk u will like quake
crimson folio
That's fair
I'll get it next sale
I just played a lot of Doom since I got all three classic games for less that 5 bucks off steam
slow dawn
half life 1 engine is based off of quake 1's engine
crimson folio
I know
crimson folio
It was the base for Source essentially
Thinking about it Id and valve have a lot in common regarding their impact on the videogame industry
Both with recent comebacks too!
white hearth
As someone who didn't play Quake yet I meat to say that it feels like the best o...
You should check out Unreal, it's very much 'Quake, but Half Life'
It did the environmental storytelling thing before Half Life, along with intelligent enemies and creative
It's more similar to Amid Evil than Dusk though
viscid lion
WORTHY
pine locust
what
crimson folio
WORTHY
zealous nacelle
yay
willow remnant
Well done!
slow dawn
🧼
prisma cypress
https://youtu.be/W8pEdUXvlGE
Lmao
undone jay
That's fair
Note that much like Doom 2, part of what makes Quake so good are the community levels
Fellas
Would yall say Dusk could be called an imsim 
olive cloud
maybe
it is very immersive
it's crazy how adding some props and interactible objects makes your levels for more alive already
viscid lion
I low-key think this game might have one of my favorite stories in any game ever
Because so much of it isn't told, it's just. . . Discovered
I love that kind of environmental storytelling
And the building sense of dread as you go deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole, thinking "there must be an end, an answer" only for the story to literally punish you for your hubris
Dusk dudes greed was not for treasure, but for answers, and he ends up forever damned because of it. Both the character and the player think they can just kill until the universe explains itself, with faith that the game will justify you ignoring all it's warnings. What happened to those scientists can't happen to you. You're stronger than them, BETTER than them. Kind of similar to how Jacob doesn't believe he is even capable of defeat until his last moments
opal plover
Yeah, a lot of non story focused games have better stories and thematics
nocturne salmon
God these wendigos terrifies me
I hate that sound they make when they're exposed
shy stag
why
upbeat pecan
?
shy stag
can someone explain how competionist (grammar mistake momenta) works
pulsar nova
all secrets + all kills
upbeat pecan
you have to get all kills and all secrets in the same run of a level
autumn pendant
I still remember how much I hate E2M3
upbeat pecan
I like the ending to that map though
upbeat pecan
nice
stark oasis
How can I play mods ?
crimson folio
stark oasis
thx
wise crane
What's the second to last difficulty translate to?
Zero fear
nocturne salmon
☣️ EDGY INBOUND ☣️
https://c.tenor.com/cDI15jzaIKIAAAAM/alert.gif
crimson folio
scenic dune
why do people like it so much
scenic dune
why do people like it so much
i need answers
crimson folio
because its good combat and some of us arent spoiled from ultrakill's combat being easier
plus you can hup 100000x
crimson folio
ur a fart face
scenic dune
because its good combat and some of us arent spoiled from ultrakill's combat bei...
saying its good doesnt make it good
crimson folio
give me a min then
dapper spire
what a heated discussion i’ve stumbled upon
scenic dune
please may i get your opinion
crimson folio
what do you think you're gonna get
this is #dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk inside of the new blood discord
scenic dune
what do you think you're gonna get
an actual argument
crimson folio
scenic dune
Dusk dudes greed was not for treasure, but for answers, and he ends up forever d...
this guy can make an argument for story
scenic dune
<:laugh:722955564040323192>
so stfu
amber sparrow
why do people like it so much
Cool atmosphere and level design for me
willow remnant
Have some cheese, friend
vivid magnet
willow remnant
You seem in need of a snack
amber sparrow
also good guns
scenic dune
i am indeed in need of a snack but it wont change anything
vivid magnet
And soap
amber sparrow
good music
scenic dune
why do people like it so much
.
dapper spire
good guns and very polished movement
scenic dune
what does good guns even mean
willow remnant
crimson folio
exactly what it's supposed to mean
amber sparrow
the guns are fun to shoot
vivid magnet
The crossbow goes through walls for fucks sake
scenic dune
i havent reached the crossbow yet ffs
amber sparrow
there's a bit of variety to them, all of them are quite useful
dapper spire
why are you saying the combat is shite when you haven’t even finished the game
scenic dune
**why are you saying the combat is shite when you haven’t even finished the game...
YOU FUCKING FOOL
I HAVENT SAID ITS SHITE
willow remnant
You've insinuated it though
scenic dune
I SAID ITS NOT MY FAVOURITE
amber sparrow
later episodes get better in my opinion
scenic dune
SO IM ASKING WHAT DO PEOPLE LIKE ABOUT IT AND WHY IS IT GOOD
willow remnant
Why are you screaming like a petulant child?
scenic dune
Why are you screaming like a petulant child?
because someone is putting words in my mouth
amber sparrow
XII
scenic dune
SO IM ASKING WHAT DO PEOPLE LIKE ABOUT IT AND WHY IS IT GOOD
so that i may be more attracted towards the game
willow remnant
Okay, but there's no need to screech and ree
crimson folio
- hasn't finished the game
- hasn't even gotten to the crossbow
- "deh gamepley not me favorite why everyone like this gaem so much?"
scenic dune
CANT I ASK FOR A FUCKING OPINION
willow remnant
No
crimson folio
how bout you finish the fucking game before spouting bs
willow remnant
Not like that you can't.
Finish the game, take a chill pill and quit acting like a goddamned child.
dapper spire
finish the game before criticizing it
willow remnant
Then, maybe, you can get "a fucking opinion".
crimson folio
the gameplay is not my favourite
this not you
crimson folio
why do people like it so much
this not you
willow remnant
Indoor voices, little one.
amber sparrow
I like it for a lot of things. I like the music, I like the atmosphere and the level design, I like the guns, I like the pacing, it's good
willow remnant
No need to scream.
scenic dune
this not you
does this translate to "this game is arse"?
scenic dune
I like it for a lot of things. I like the music, I like the atmosphere and the l...
sure
thank you
something more
willow remnant
We've tried telling you what we like about it, but you still continue to yell and screech.
crimson folio
game journalist logic
willow remnant
I don't know what more you want
It's like going into a candy store and screaming "I DON'T LIKE CANDY, TELL ME YOUR FAVOURITE CANDY REEEEEEEEE"
amber sparrow
Another reason is that there is much less evil stuff in it than in older shooters it took inspiration from
dapper spire
it’s like going to a restaurant just to say the food is bad without ever eating there
willow remnant
Have you found the soap yet?
amber sparrow
It doesn't lock you in a monster closet every minute and such
willow remnant
It's hilarious
scenic dune
It's like going into a candy store and screaming "I DON'T LIKE CANDY, TELL ME YO...
well if i just say "i do not think this is great yet, why do you guys think its great" and then people just "BRO JUST TASTE IT BRO WHY YOU SAYING IT FUCKING SUCKS"
then yes i may get annoyed
amber sparrow
I think episode 2 and 3 get better than 1
crimson folio
ironic coming from the mfer that immediately escalated to a crying toddler
amber sparrow
the game goes a bit into horror, the music gets more tense and such
dapper spire
episode 2 is still arguably the best episode in dusk
willow remnant
We told you what we like about it, you could not understand very simple concepts so you restored to screeching
crimson folio
Episode 3 is the best
Great looking architecture & the world's worst horrors there
dapper spire
i like episode 2 a lot because of how it experiments with horror
crimson folio
Escher labs is good
dapper spire
episode 3 goes beyond that but episode 2 imo gets a bit more horror oriented
and i like that
crimson folio
I like going hup 100x with dual shottys over horror but to each his own
willow remnant
The lab drove me nuts with the rotating walls XD
dapper spire
i’m pretty sure that was intended
willow remnant
Haha yeah
vivid magnet
I like Erebus reactor but the rest of e2 was meh
dapper spire
have fun my guy
amber bluff
and then i find out he's just a tankier soldier and dies in like 5 seconds
such a disappointment
olive cloud
guys
you're all toxic
it all started out with one dude asking why people like the game without it being retoric
and you shouted him down because of funneh memes
He simply asked for an opinion about the game
and because none of y'all gave him one i wiil
amber bluff
yea they are wtf
"the gameplay's not my favourite why do people like it so much"
"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
dapper spire
welcome to the newblood discord server
dapper spire
same
amber bluff
#ultrakill is ultrachill tho and i like that
dapper spire
#ultrakill is also eternally horny for v1 for some reason
crimson folio
you wouldnt think ultrakill woud be the chill one but it is apparently
dapper spire
toxicity in the #dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk channel
tbf i was sort of a part of it
north oak
Ah
dapper spire
and now i feel kind of feel bad
amber bluff
you wouldnt think ultrakill woud be the chill one but it is apparently
why?
crimson folio
because the game is called "ultrakill"
amber bluff
yea that name's ultrakool
north oak
I feel like the anger ball gets tossed around every now and then
dapper spire
yeah the whole shtick of ultrakill is literally blood and gore but it’s actually really nice over there
crimson folio
seems like a cool game
amber sparrow
I gave my opinion
amber sparrow
this server can turn into ultra violence very easily lol
dapper spire
we are very defensive of our games
amber bluff
is the level design kinda meh or is my brain very meh cause i keep getting lost
i feel like i checked out the entire level and i cant find the yellow key
my brain is meh
dont mind that
willow remnant
Things can be confusing
dapper spire
is the level design kinda meh or is my brain very meh cause i keep getting lost
nah some maps can be confusing
viscid lion
What map are you on?
amber bluff
neobabel
dapper spire
isn’t there a building across the first one you go in that has a yellow key door?
dapper spire
did you go through the door on the second floor
amber bluff
nah i need the switch to open it
viscid lion
I think there is a switch on the back of a pillar in the basement but my memory is hazy
olive cloud
why do people like it so much
I will give you an opinion.
I like dusks singleplayer because of multiple reasons. If you enjoy oldschool shooter gameplay the dusk is a game that absoloutly nailed it. The movement is basic and responsive but you can take it further with strafe jumping and other stuff. The guns feel impactful, are fun to use and each serve a certain purpose. The enemies aren't bullshit and fill basic enemy designs while having good visual and practical design. The levels are extremly atmospheric and immersive. Episode 2 and 3 are where it gets crazy and harder but i wont spoil it because it REALLY subverts your expectations without being cliche like other games. The real star of the show are the levels which all have incredibly design (again it gets better the longer you play) and ironically feel more like real places than the levels in AAA games because you can interact with them in a lot of ways like picking things up or breaking shit which seems like a minor bonus but again such a simple thing was nailed which made it feel even better. There are cleverly hidden secrets, shortcuts and the levels are just fucking great seriously i just want to play through the game again because im typing this.
I also like the multiplayer. It is some of the fastest skill demanding action fps i've ever played which mostly comes from it being an arena fps which automatically gives it some demanding strategy. There are weapon switching combos, Map control and overall strafehopping around and shooting shit makes me feel cool as fuck and it just feels extremely fast and fun. #lfg-signup if you want to find some games for it. I've put 400 hours into this game because of the multiplayer
wise crane
But what about camera animations?
dapper spire
wdym?
amber bluff
I think there is a switch on the back of a pillar in the basement but my memory ...
thanks bro :D
viscid lion
No problem, hope I was able to help
dapper spire
the wendigos?
amber bluff
the invisible ones
viscid lion
Wendigo are, imo, one of the best enemies in the game because they are so PERFECT at being assholes. Plus their intro is my favorite moment in this game, maybe any game
amber bluff
oh yea their intro is amazing
but i absolutely despise them
omg just realised
serum of blistering heat has the superhot effect
blistering heat
superhot
dapper spire
yep
imo not the best powerup
kinda ruins the pace of the game
still makes you feel like a badass though
viscid lion
I was grinning so much the first time I used that power up
amber bluff
why is my left little finger cold every time i play dusk
viscid lion
It's the spooky ghost sprite from the cutty mines squeezing your finger
amber sparrow
he
graceful trout
.....him...
amber sparrow
at least in the SDK, you can push fully unaware enemies through walls
not sure about main game
viscid lion
hey bill, just a heads up, you might want to leave this channel until you finish the game. there are some really good moments in e3 that you wouldn't want spoiled. Like, reveal of wendigo, end of erebus reactor level moments
amber bluff
hey bill, just a heads up, you might want to leave this channel until you finish...
ooh got it bro, ty
viscid lion
No prob, let me know what you think when you finish the game 🙂
amber bluff
:)
nocturne salmon
why do people like it so much
Most of us like it for the nostalgia and the combat. It's all for the combat,really. It's not rare to see a boomer shooter nowadays now that there's a shit ton of them,but it's rare to see one that nails it right,only rivalled by ultrakill that is unsurprisingly,published by the same publisher
Then fucking ign comes in
8/10 - "It has a little something for everyone"
And holy fuck the toxicity of a discord user
man just told you people that it's not his FAVORITE
doesn't mean he hates it with a burning passion
pulsar nova
dusk gets better to play when you learn its intricacies. you can deflect litsrally every projectile with the sickles, if you make an enemy hit another one they infight, move diagonally while jumping to go fast
nocturne salmon
Should've gave him this answer about 2 hours ago
pulsar nova
¯_(ツ)_/¯
nocturne salmon
All these toxicity is probably coming from the fact that dusk is the most boomer one out of the bunch
pulsar nova
also imo E1 is worse than the other 2 eps by a mile, both in gameplay and storytelling
i lost interest in dusk my first time around too
it wasn’t until i returned to it 2 years later and basically skipped E1 (i started where i left off from last time) that i started loving it
tight garnet
I actually really liked the countryside setting of ep1
Though mt favorite is probably the gothic castles in ep3
pulsar nova
E2 is my fave
i really like E2’s intro level
you’re approaching the factory and it looks like it has insane heavy artillery on your ass
with all the fireballs being thrown your way from across the map
then you enter the place and it’s actual enemies
willow remnant
The gravity fuckery in e3 Homecoming is really fucking with me
hot apex
Hey, are there still dusk multiplayer matches happening on this server?
lusty fable
why do people like it so much
It's a perfect escalation of the retro fps, weapons are really fucking great, enemies are also really fantastic and I love how they are like 3 different factions, even if they do work together. I love the music the level design. I love the heavy Pennsylvania feels and also the heavy industrial aesthetic, I like being able to knock back projectiles with sickles. Levels are extremely repayable and memorable. I love the possessed soldiers specifically. I like the mink bosses and the full bosses. I love the mix of fast paced combat and atmospheric tension, I love the mutiplayer and endless mode. I just love it. Oy thing I really dobt like is episode 3 can be a bit too different for my tastes, doesnt feel like it's from the same game as the other episodes, though that does make it extremely memorable.
Hell even the story is really ficking god, yeah it's simple as hell but that in no way makes it bad, and I especially love jakob as a villain.
It is my favorite game, lovd it to death
pulsar nova
i love the slow escalation of how fucked up the enemies are
you go from redneck-like cultists, to the military, to mangled horrific cyborg women, to even more mangled freaks with huge mouths, to just.. abstract shapes and beings
hollow shadow
from dude with chainsaw to actual lovecraftian horror
pulsar nova
also the semi-modern theme of dusk is really really unique, every other boomer shooter is either medieval or sci-fi but dusk is like the 1990s
hollow shadow
it changes settings a lot too
backwoods town, deep mines, factories, and castles
plus all the weird dreamlike shit
boomer shooters usually have like one or two settings
pulsar nova
beautiful game
lusty fable
I would love a city setting in dusk
pulsar nova
i like the gun choice too, like your hunting rifle
lusty fable
Woth maybe a focus on blue or something
pulsar nova
very nice change of pace to just see a machine gun and a rifle rather than a railgun and gatling gun
lusty fable
Though to be honest I kinda wish episode 3 fit more into the theme
pulsar nova
makes it feel more grounded, even if dusk is.. anything but
lusty fable
It kinda weird going from farmland, to industrial factories, to immediately cathedrals and stuff
@pulsar nova have you played blood
pulsar nova
i haven’t, but i need to
pulsar nova
yeah, from what i know of blood it seems like dusk takes inspiration from it
lusty fable
A lot of it, get blood fresh supply, that's the port for it and it irons out a lot of kinks lile not having to use dos box
pliant cliff
New here, but just curious: if I'm having issues with the game launching on Linux, would anyone be able to help out?
pliant cliff
I've been trying to get Dusk running for a few hours now and doing some troubleshooting. With GoG version 1.6, every time i try to start the game it's a black screen, no faux DOS like normal. I can hear the start menu music but all the visuals are replaced by a faded olive green color taking up the entire display. Even though I can't see them I can flip around between the various items in the menu, and the color will change from olive to black, then back again when I select something else. It seems to be affecting only the latest version though, as i had an offline backup of version 1.5 available and it works fine. The issue isn't exclusive to GoG either, as it seems to be affecting the Steam version as well, and it happens on multiple distros. The Windows versions of the latest build are unaffected and work fine. Is this something I'd need to contact the developers with, and if so, does anyone know the easiest way to do that?
upbeat pecan
I may be wrong, but I vaguely remember someone else having a similar issue and it was because of the resolution being stuck at 1x1 pixels or something
mild ginkgo
I've been trying to get Dusk running for a few hours now and doing some troubles...
Giga is correct
this should fix your issue
upbeat pecan
yea its just a big field lol
pliant cliff
@mild ginkgo You're a lifesaver, mate! GoG copy works great now. Thanks for your help!
nocturne salmon
yeah, from what i know of blood it seems like dusk takes inspiration from it
Of course it does. Both game's protagonist have the same attire,both are dealing with cults,both protagonist is "reborn" after the cultists "killed" them
pulsar nova
if only duskman talked like caleb :(
sonic night
Dusk switch is in unity 2020 now
tardy slate
Dusk switch is in unity 2020 now
shy stag
Dusk switch is in unity 2020 now
amber sparrow
won 0202 ytinu ni si hctiws ksuD
atomic egret
we had to, nintendo aint even accepting builds made on the old version of unity, besides some other stuff
crimson folio
that why it was delayed?
pulsar nova
PC dusk will get updated once the switch edition comes out right?
olive cloud
wdym
undone jay
Though to be honest I kinda wish episode 3 fit more into the theme
It fits very well though
Episode 3 escalates it
And youre exploring the entirety of the old lovecraftian ruins
crude bluff
Does Duskworld count as a movement shooter 
olive cloud
Does Duskworld count as a movement shooter <:spruceThink:798037206383460372>
ugh yea?
undone jay
Movement shooter 💩
olive cloud
Movement shooter 💩
??
undone jay
I just think its a silly name for any game with fast movement
And theres no clear line as to when something is a movement shooter or no
Not
Build engine games lack crazy advanced movement techniques like rocket jumping but you still move fast and a lot
amber sparrow
I don't think Dusk is a movement shooter. You move fast but it's very simple movement.
upbeat pecan
I always loosely defined movement shooters as shooters where movement is the main gameplay focus or shooters that have side branched into having their own movement modes. Something like Cyber hook, Quake Defrag, Reflex race maps, etc. Not just shooters with good movement in them
I do really wish dusk movement had just a bit more depth to it though.
you have finger guns
shoot crystals and boxes
but no enemies
I said loosely lol.
I mean quake defrag youre not really shooting anything either
just walls
yea but it became so popular I think it spawned lots of games that focus solely on that side of it. Thats how I've always seen movement shooters anyway
I wouldnt really call dusk a movement shooter tho. more a shooter with movement
undone jay
I do really wish dusk movement had just a bit more depth to it though.
It does though
Id say it has plenty
If you want it to
upbeat pecan
There is a lot of stuff you can do with it yeah, But i'd really like to see what its like with a few momentum tweaks.
viscid lion
I always defined movement shooters as games in which your tools for movement (double jumps, slides, wall runs) are mechanically as deep and as intensive as any combat mechanics. Stuff like ultrakill, titanfall 2, get to the orange door. Dusk has incredible movement, but it's mostly just a few tools that you can play the game and be successful without using
slow dawn
teamfortress 2 can be a movement shooter or sit in a corner shooter
upbeat pecan
yeah thats pretty fair too
sonic night
we had to, nintendo aint even accepting builds made on the old version of unity,...
security issue?
olive cloud
I just think its a silly name for any game with fast movement
true
olive cloud
I don't think Dusk is a movement shooter. You move fast but it's very simple mov...
still a high skill ceeling tho. The movement is simple in theory but there is still a lot of depth when it comes to dodging and how to actually move in fights. Most games dont give you the same spontanious mobility even if they're fast so dodging a rivet feels more like dodging and attack in a fighting game.
olive cloud
There is a lot of stuff you can do with it yeah, But i'd really like to see what...
eh it would make the game to much like everything else even within it's subgerne. If you want momentum there's a bunch of arena shooters that already do that. Dusks movement feels more "arcady" and has it's own levels of depth when it comes to dodging and positioning that other games dont have
olive cloud
I always defined movement shooters as games in which your tools for movement (do...
it does have a high skill ceeling in multiplayer at least. The movement still allows for dodging that you wouldn't typically see in other shooters.
if you have bad movement you will always die because of the weapons being so powerful. If you walk in a straight line behind a wall a good player will kill you if they have a crossbow
white hearth
I think 'movement is fast and important' is already implied in 'boomer shooter'
'Movement shooter' feels like a distinction without a difference
olive cloud
thats implied in every game
we're talking about a game where 3 weapons can deal 120+ damage on still/predictable target
i've killed a lot of players because they had predictable movement even tho they were behing a wall and i didn't even see them because i crossbowed them
it might not have complex movement mechanics but it just happens to require really good AD and dodge
i didn't have package loss :(
sure
when it comes to moving around
but the dodge is def higher skill ceeling
you're also the best dusk player
and most other good dusk players are only good at dusk and decent/rookie at other afps
so obiously it's easier for you
bro you're probably playing top-tier UT players that have literally been playing UT for decades
yea
i have to say i learned a lot from other games that i couldn't learn and dusk and the other way around
white hearth
it might not have complex movement mechanics but it just happens to require real...
But that's every boomer shooter? Dodging projectiles/avoiding being cornered and moving unpredictably (in MP) while running faster than a freight train is as old as Doom
olive cloud
in Dirty bomb i used to frequently add wall jumps into my dodge and im one of the only players on my level that actually uses the wall jump in dodge in warfork. Same thing with some parts of dusk where you can jump of of steep slopes like erebus and the stones on clifftop
olive cloud
But that's every boomer shooter? Dodging projectiles/avoiding being cornered and...
i'd say it goes further than most other boomer shooters. Especially when you consider how easy it is to gain speed and rocket jump (because it only deals 5 damage if you have any armor). Obviously it has been a part for a long time but not doing it in dusk mp will literally get you instakilled
it's not an exaggeration it will get you instakilled
eeh
i tried it
but i just don't like UT
yea
tbh dusk feels more arcady but that doesn't mean it limits the ammount of depth you can have
crimson folio
olive cloud
ok
silver ingot
someone play dusk multiplayer ?
wise crane
someone play dusk multiplayer ?
Go to #lfg-signup to find games. Be sure to use @here inside the DUSKWorld-lfg channel once you have a server up and want to play.
silver ingot
thanks
crimson folio
What does Morale do?
ebon radish
its like armor
ebon radish
it gets sapped pretty quickly but it absorbs a good chunk of damage too so it encourages to look around some areas more which is cool and gamer
crimson folio
i am both cool and gamer
hot apex
Go to <#454383533293568022> to find games. Be sure to use `@here `inside the DU...
I’ve signed up but didn’t get the new channel like it said. Am I doing something wrong?
Sorry, just re-clicked and it came up
viscid lion
Ok, probably not a popular opinion, but replaying the game for achievements rn, and Erebus reactor is my least favorite level in episode 2, even if the ending almost makes up for it
fervent grail
viscid lion
I really like the more claustrophobic levels and looking for secrets. Erebus just feels overwhelming to me. It feels too big, with too much going on. I also really dislike how if you fall in the pit you are almost guaranteed to die. There have been times where I spent almost half an hour clearing out the entire, massive arena, getting every secret, and then I mistime a jump and lose it all. Was super frustrating my first playthrough. The end of the level is excellent though, with the reveal being one of my favorite moments in the game. I don't think it's a bad level at all, I just don't care for it personally
viscid lion
I will admit that I like the verticality, and how much it encourages movement, but with how nearly half the floor is a deathtrap I'm always hesitant to really start b hopping the way I do in other levels
There is a teleporter, but when I fall in it's usually disorienting and by the time i find it I'm dead, especially if I'm low on health after clearing out the level
Music is very solid though
And of course
Big John
white hearth
Yeah, it is a bit confusing, I've deliberately jumped in the pit for secrets/items and still gotten turned around and died
I love that map though
viscid lion
madcow what's your favorite level out of the whole game? Mines e3m2
white hearth
Been a while since I've played so not sure
Maybe E3M3, lots of verticality, open spaces and interiors, a ton of cool secrets, and the cool twist of the map getting flooded is a nice twist
olive cloud
I will admit that I like the verticality, and how much it encourages movement, b...
you can bhop on lava and you don't get damage
but i agree the level is kind of exhausting
to me it just feels like a big square with buildings in it
amber sparrow
you can bhop on lava and you don't get damage
not everywhere
some damage spaces reach higher than others
it's actually all over the place
there's one in E3M8 that is so low that you have to duck for it to damage you
and there are some that reach high enough for jumping not to save you from them
also if I remember correctly even low-reaching ones you can jump away from can occasionally damage you because you will still spend a tiny bit of time cose enough to the ground
I still don't understand why thermal suits don't respawn like climbing things
Climbing things are items that you can get softlocked without, so that's probably the reason they respawn. But this is also true for the thermal suit in maps like E3M2, yet thermal suits don't respawn
unkempt condor
dusk
amber sparrow
dusk
crimson folio
Maybe it just wasnt his kind of a game
mild ginkgo
maybe, but the real problem was that he didnt have much to riff off of for his audience because dusk isnt a particularly funny game
wooden cape
Who tf is limmy
crimson folio
maybe, but the real problem was that he didnt have much to riff off of for his a...
the fact that its well made and more serious was an issue for him? what was he expecting?
pliant wraith
Who tf is limmy
yeah who is limmy lol
crimson folio
yeah who is limmy lol
By the way, who is Limmy?
pliant wraith
lmao
crimson folio
but, its his job to be funny, not the games
crimson folio
WAIT
ive seen him
he does have funny stuff to be fair
but his shtick seems to be mostly his accent and doing faces
but i cant say it doesnt work
mild ginkgo
yeah hes a very funny dude
crimson folio
id assume it was miscalculation on his part
its hard to rip on something well made
mild ginkgo
yeah pretty much
crimson folio
look up Randy Writes a Novel, its great
pulsar nova
but steel is heavier than feathers...
crimson folio
upbeat pecan
Embrace the hup
lean tendon
hup
brittle pawn
I made a meme for Dusk and I wanted to show it to y'all but I'm not allowed to post images :(
upbeat pecan
I thought I sent one yesterday. I'll resend
upbeat pecan
ah. I resent on discord so should work now
if that doesnt work the invite is pinned here too
twilit perch
Thanks
It worked
Giga you streaming later?
My stream went bad yesterday because I kept accidentally ending It because I was trying to add keybind it didn’t work out
And then by the time I fixed it I was tired of playing so I just gave up and played some CSGO
upbeat pecan
ah yea. I saw you on cs go later
twilit perch
Ya, your stream was good though
upbeat pecan
Also since skade posted it above. If anyone hasn't tried custom dusk stuff. That map is super good. 10/10 recommend.
and ty
twilit perch
I will
I have dusk sdk i (think it’s called that) so I just have to put the mod in one of the game folders I’ll look it up
upbeat pecan
yeah. On steam you can toggle between the betas. Just make sure to screenshot or back up your settings before you do because it resets stuff like keybindings, mouse sens and things to default
I just opt into the sdk beta when I wanna do custom maps, and opt out of betas (to get the most recent build of the game) when I wanna play vanilla dusk
viscid lion
Maybe E3M3, lots of verticality, open spaces and interiors, a ton of cool secret...
I got them mixed up, that's the one I meant was my favorite lol
crimson folio
@upbeat pecan ❤️
viscid lion
you can bhop on lava and you don't get damage
I'll try that next time, thanks for the advice
olive cloud
is there a way to turn off the "hup hup hup" every time i jump
you could make a mod that just mutes the hup sound and play with that
lean tendon
im not smart lol
olive cloud
uhm
it's just putting some folders in the right place
no coding required
i could replace every dusk sound with a fart
don't make me do it
zealous nacelle
is there a way to turn off the "hup hup hup" every time i jump
heretic
crimson folio
Me five minutes ago
"This game is great and all but i wish it was a bit more scary"
Enters The Eternal Machine
"Ah, ok thank you"
the infernal machine?
Probably that
Please excuse my brain not working
poopfart
I messed up the lights not being baked on the last version of my map
It should be fixed now
:D
viscid lion
just got the last achievment i needed for 100% lets gooo
crimson folio
nicee
I'm almost done with getting completionist on all levels
I try to not look up videos mostly
but I usually have to look up 1-3 secrets per level depending on how many secrets there are
lol
upbeat pecan
yea a few dusk secrets are real weird lol
viscid lion
my least favorite thing is when you need to just walk through a wall
that otherwise looks solid
upbeat pecan
yea, fortunately just a few of those
mellow seal
Heya
graceful wing
it's not completely out of the question but definitely not any time soon
errant hazel
Dusk 2 when?
pulsar nova
dusk 2: dawn
delicate sigil
evening
dull moss
dusk 2: still not worthy yet
crimson folio
Any news on switch release?
twilit perch
Anyone looking to death match?
I don’t know how to get to that
it wont work for me
whats that?
I don't see the channel after following what they say to do
its been almost 10 minutes
I don't know I give up
wise crane
It's a very common problem you're having unfortunately
olive cloud
its been almost 10 minutes
@sharp sparrow pls get this man his dwlfg role
olive cloud
wait he still doesn't have it
graceful wing
ye cause mati just likes to complain about stuff and not actually do anything about it :)
sorted
olive cloud
wow
graceful wing
wasn't there when i added it
so thought you diddn't
nvm placing the blame off mati and on discord instead
sharp sparrow
discord roles just suck and that's an objective fact
graceful wing
it takes minutes to add or modify roles at times
ivory adder
worthy veldt
It Comes
amber bluff
how tf do i get through blood and bone
specifically the broken flashlight part
am i supposed to just spam pistols?
cause i keep dying but i cant see who's killing me
oh they were wendigos
this makes sense ;(
upbeat pecan
Yea just use pistols or AR to light your way
amber bluff
"end level" radroaches show up
not funny dave
how the fuck do i beat teh gauntlet
i cant move like half the time cause i get stuck on teh grenades
nvm
amber bluff
jesus fuck i hate the lvl design in this game
it's fun but i get lost so much
and the lack of scaffolding is also kinda ehh
amber sparrow
You need to look for doors and keys
opal gale
just play the game lol
amber bluff
yea i know that much
amber sparrow
how the fuck do i beat teh gauntlet
Taking cover helps
amber bluff
too late bro
also yea but he kept teleporting behind me
so i just suddenly get stuck on grenades from nowhere
who thought its a good idea to take away your flashlight
god dammit
viscid lion
if you want, you could try and just telefrag the boss for an instakill
amber bluff
i have no idea what telefrag means because it's my 1st time playing but sure
amber sparrow
riskier than just shooting it though
viscid lion
telefrag is when you teleport into the same place as an enemy to insta kill it
amber sparrow
just run from it, shoot, and flick switches
amber bluff
ahh ty bro
viscid lion
that's probably a better idea
viscid lion
corner peaking helps
amber bluff
i love the enemy design in this game
fat redneck
radroach
generic soldier
scarecrow
i cant say that word apparently
sexually promiscous woman
viscid lion
my favorite is the wendigo
viscid lion
hbu?
amber bluff
i despise the deer
i'd sell my left liver to not have to deal with them
i like the nazgul tho
they look cool
amber bluff
crap cant say that word
i forgot to mention the mentally disabled guys flailing their arms around
also idk what sounds they make cause i keep listening to power metal on loop
viscid lion
sound helps with the deer a lot, you can hear them breathing when they get close, and there's a sound cue when they spawn
viscid lion
it also helps to look for bloody footprints, they leave them when they walk, and sometimes you can see them knocking things over in the arena
amber sparrow
Oh look it's 🍤
thorn trout
Why am I a shrimp
viscid lion
it can be fun to play chicken with them and a super shotgun
amber sparrow
Jab, probably
thorn trout
Ye
viscid lion
I love your game, thanks for making something so fun!
thorn trout
👍
amber sparrow
so thats why the deer keep killing me
make sure to both move and shoot in case you're not already doing that
amber sparrow
Not Dave Oshry if you mean him
thorn trout
I'm the less fun Dave
amber bluff
sad
zealous nacelle
odin is with us
slate edge
amber bluff
ah so yea its szymanski
amber sparrow
idk depends on what you mean by crazy
amber bluff
then he's the fun dave :D
amber sparrow
David is more innocent crazy, but crazy nonetheless
pulsar nova
duskmare really changes how you play man
like E2M1, you meet 3 rats before you get a gun
and idk about y’all but rats are basically impossible to melee without taking a hit for me
so i gotta use barrels n shit
ashen moat
Why am I a shrimp
I already asked that, you never get the answer
pulsar nova
ratacombs is probably literally impossible on duskmare
upbeat pecan
It's all doable Duskmare but like you said before it really changes how you play. Duskmare feels artificially hard, while CM stays more fun imo because it allows for more creative or faster strats.
pulsar nova
DM is more of a joke difficulty but i do genuinely enjoy it at times
then i forget shit like the fight in E1M9 with two fork maidens
upbeat pecan
It slows the game down a lot.
pulsar nova
mostly just the lack of risk taking, i no longer feel inclined to reflect projectiles
upbeat pecan
Which is fun in its own way at times. But I've always found CM to feel best. Run some of the same CM strats on Duskmare and youre just gambling with rng at times.
Yea exactly
pulsar nova
CM is awesome
i beat e2 and e3 on CM intruder, had a lot of fun with it
need to go back and finish E1 eventually, i played it two years ago and then when i came back to dusk i just started where i left off
upbeat pecan
Nice
viscid lion
Can the sword reflect projectiles or just the sickles?
viscid lion
okay, thanks. I didn't try block, couldn't tell if I just had the timing wrong for sword. I'll test next time I play
amber bluff
sword can reflect
upbeat pecan
gotta try E3M9 on duskmare
Knowing wave order and keeping your pspeed capped helps. Worst are the soldier and goat waves. But it's more mental I think. It sounds scarier on paper
pulsar nova
i had a lot of issues on E3M9 on CM
specifically the doctor/grand wizard wave kicked my ass
upbeat pecan
I use sword and mortar on those waves. Poke the grand mages and mortar the doctor group
amber sparrow
best thing to do in that wave is to continuously jump off the map while slowly killing the wizards
takes care of the homing projectiles
blazing bridge
there is nothing more satisfying than gibbing a horde of fodder enemies in Dusk.
crimson folio
i am not a dusk pro
opal gale
hi i'm filth from ultrakill trading mark
median bridge
Anyone experience performance issues in game and on the main menu running at 1440p? I have a pretty solid gaming rig, so I can't imagine my hardware just isn't good enough.
blazing bridge
playing on 1440p?
bruh
play at lowest res
authentic 90's experience
and pixelation at 3x
viscid lion
I don't have an answer for you unfortunately, but run the game however you'd like. What's it like at 1440 p?
white hearth
specifically the doctor/grand wizard wave kicked my ass
That wave kicked my ass too until I remembered you can deflect projectiles with the sickles
Homing attacks with no solid level geometry is just cruel
pulsar nova
a friend of mine noted a minor issue with game feel that i thought would be cool to see addressed
when you gib an enemy, they don't play a death line
if you don't see an enemy get gibbed you cannot tell what enemy got killed, compared to if they died normally
i know for some enemies, such as grunts, would be a bit odd to hear a scream from after death, but it'd be a lot better for gameplay
also remove rats please thx
hoary robin
I need help
When I play a Half life custom map it gives me missing textures
How do i fix it?
i'm trying to play d1_trainstation_02 on dusk with the textures
tardy slate
you probably need a palette file
head over to dusk mods channel and look in pinned messages
tardy slate
works too