#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk

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desert aspen
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without the secret

agile helm
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I think

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I am going to use the secret in that map for my completion

mild ginkgo
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it has been done!

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you just gotta really hate yourself

agile helm
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well said

desert aspen
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doing that is really showing that you're worthy

neon dove
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Hey guys I need some important DUSK advice

desert aspen
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honestly e3m10 should have been locked off until you got a completionist duskmare run

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tbh

mild ginkgo
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Duskvice

desert aspen
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1-800-SOAP

fair mirage
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nono

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1-900-INTRUDR

desert aspen
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yeah that's better

neon dove
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If I'm subject to a home invasion, is it a good idea to call out KILL THE INTRUDER and rush at them with a chainsaw while wearing a burlap dack over my head?

desert aspen
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yes

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you're in the legal right to

sly path
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0-800-Fingerbones

neon dove
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Do If he gets maimed, i cant be arrested?

desert aspen
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nope

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you'll walk away scot free

neon dove
grand zodiac
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*You will hup away Scot free if you can bhop fast enough

desert aspen
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but you need to be blasting handgun harmony while doing so

grand zodiac
neon dove
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Bass boosted DUSK OST when

desert aspen
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get on it already hulshult

grand zodiac
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Also iddqd for Doom 2

neon dove
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Also why am I not surprised that I knew of hulshult's work before DUSK and just got that more hyped for Dusk upon hearing he was doing the soundtrack

grand zodiac
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Because he's basically one of the unholy trinity alongside Michael Markie and Mick Gordon

neon dove
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BIGJOHN ๐Ÿ‘Œ You rock Andrew

earnest charm
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Heads up btw the cheat console doesnโ€™t open up on single player for the Mac build

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It works on multiplayer though

graceful wing
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the console is not available in singleplayer at all until the SDK launches later this year

desert aspen
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yeah just type the code in game

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like in Doom or GTA

livid hemlock
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Or simply grab a soap, and mash that shit so hard you kill anything in your paths. No need for cheating unless it's for achievements.

hybrid condor
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has anyone had the problem that if you have more than 100 morale because of morale bonuses, like 112 for example, and you sleep on a bed, the morale resets to 100?

delicate sail
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Don't oversleep, it's bad for yoiu.

desert aspen
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your spirit was filled with too much vigor

jade root
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yeah the sleeping """"bug"""" has been known for a loooooooong time

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but david left it in

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as a psa

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against the dangers of oversleeping

fierce lichen
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There are no dangers of oversleeping, watcha' talking bout'

fair mirage
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you ruin your day if you oversleep

opaque spindle
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I'm experiencing those dangers rn

fierce lichen
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No, i feel fully rested after 12 hours of sleeping. I feel like i am on a cloud. Morning is for casuals anyway, it's boring and you yawn all the time.

modern tiger
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Ahem, someone remind me of the launch options in steam to enable logging?

Seems it doesn't want to launch on my Debian 9/A3870/R280 box....

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(neither SP or Duskworld)

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Oh that#s interesting. Can't find Mono

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And right enough
.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Dusk/DUSK_Data/Mono/x86_64/libmono.so
Ain't there. I appear to have MonoBleedingEdge.

hallow sorrel
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$HOME/.config/unity3d/David Szymanski/Dusk/Player.log does it start at all?

queen coral
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@modern tiger steam steam://run/<ID>

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on your terminal, with the client running on bg

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dusk is 519860

modern tiger
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Did it the long way round:
steven@steven-workstation:~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Dusk$ ./DUSK.x86_64
Set current directory to /home/steven/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Dusk
Found path: /home/steven/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Dusk/DUSK.x86_64
no boot config - using default values

(Filename: Line: 453)

Unable to load mono library from /home/steven/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Dusk/DUSK_Data/Mono/x86_64/libmono.so
Failed to load mono

queen coral
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oof

modern tiger
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steven@steven-workstation:~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Dusk$ steam steam://run/519860
Running Steam on debian 9 64-bit
STEAM_RUNTIME is enabled automatically
Pins up-to-date!
WARNING: setlocale('en_US.UTF-8') failed, using locale: 'C'. International characters may not work.

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Weird.

queen coral
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I've got a pair of scripts to launch things 100% manually

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if you want to try

modern tiger
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Is the linux version out of testing as yet? I'm still in the Linux/Mac beta.

prisma halo
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It's still in testing, yeah

modern tiger
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Ok, cool - so it's not a final/beta conflict.

prisma halo
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That's a really odd error though

modern tiger
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Simple things first - dump it from steam, reinstall?

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And also, bear in mind this is a badly abused Debian box that gets all kinds of tat on it ๐Ÿ˜‰

prisma halo
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Try verifying game files

modern tiger
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So this is almost certainly my fault. Reimu, did that. ๐Ÿ˜›

prisma halo
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I completely forgot jab still had my nickname set to reimu

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fixed lol

modern tiger
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I do have MonoBleedingEge - is that something you guys have set up, or is that due to my local setup, you reckon?

hallow sorrel
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I also have the folder: $HOME/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Dusk/DUSK_Data/MonoBleedingEdge/x86_64/libmonobdwgc-2.0.so

prisma halo
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MonoBleedingEdge is the Mono runtime, it's added to a build folder by Unity

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I'm curious as to what happens if you rename MonoBleedingEdge to Mono

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and also rename the .so file to whatever it's looking for

modern tiger
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Ah right. one would assume that'd be symlinked sensibly upstream.

I'll give that a pop Zombie - worst case, reinstall, eh?

prisma halo
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Yeah

queen coral
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this is one of these long shots, but file /home/steven/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Dusk/DUSK_Data/Mono/x86_64/libmono.so

hallow sorrel
modern tiger
hallow sorrel
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Ah missed: and also rename the .so file to whatever it's looking for

modern tiger
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Nah, same issue/.

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Unable to load Mono.

queen coral
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erm, maybe strace will give you useful output?

modern tiger
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Right, renamed everything back....

prisma halo
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I'm thinking Unity might just display that message if any part of loading Mono fails

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So perhaps the problem wasn't that it couldn't locate the shared object, but maybe it can't find one of its dependencies or something

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For now try a reinstall I suppose, just to be absolutely sure

modern tiger
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Hmm. Steam is updating (it has been a while since I fired this machine up) - let me update that, reverify game files and retry....

hallow sorrel
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For me it is working with steam libs and system, but I also have mono installed

modern tiger
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Ok, apparently I didn't rename stuff - Steam is reacquiring things.

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Nah, same issue.

prisma halo
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Very strange

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cc @mild ginkgo @hexed roost

modern tiger
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(both from DUSK.X86_64 and steam, as noted above)

prisma halo
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It's a long shot, but do you have Mono installed on your system?

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It shouldn't matter, but if you don't have it installed, try installing it

modern tiger
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Might not be. Let me see if I can find that tat

hallow sorrel
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what's about STEAM_RUNTIME=0 steam (with mono installed)

prisma halo
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If it works with Mono installed then I'd assume it was a missing dependency or something

modern tiger
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libmono I'll be after, year?

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Well, installed anyway. Lets see what happens.

hallow sorrel
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should be mono-runtime on debian

modern tiger
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Oops,. already installing mono-devel. OH WELL.

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Did I mention I treat this box like utter garbage?

fair mirage
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i wanna point out i first had problems running dusk because it wanted a different folder because of the case

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Dusk_Data existed but it was looking for DUSK_Data

prisma halo
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Good catch, that could be related, potentially

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Could we get a screencap of the game folder?

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Just the root dir

fair mirage
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it was originally my windows copy

hallow sorrel
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mono-dev is overkill...but has mono-runtime as dep

fair mirage
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once i changed it, it booted right up

modern tiger
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Drek....you might be onto something.

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steven@steven-workstation:~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Dusk/Dusk_Data$ pwd
/home/steven/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Dusk/Dusk_Data
steven@steven-workstation:~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Dusk/Dusk_Data$ ../DUSK.x86_64
Set current directory to /home/steven/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Dusk/Dusk_Data
Found path: /home/steven/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Dusk/Dusk_Data/../DUSK.x86_64
no boot config - using default values

(Filename: Line: 453)

Unable to load mono library from /home/steven/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Dusk/Dusk_Data/../DUSK_Data/Mono/x86_64/libmono.so
Failed to load mono
steven@steven-workstation:~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Dusk/Dusk_Data$

prisma halo
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That may indeed be the issue

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Which means you could solve it by either renaming Dusk_Data to DUSK_Data, or renaming DUSK.x86_64 to Dusk.x86_64 (although the latter would mean you wouldn't be able to launch through Steam)

modern tiger
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Drek, genius.

prisma halo
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This is why I hate how Unity ties data folder names to executable names

modern tiger
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Loading now

fair mirage
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i didn't have to rename the executable tho

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just the folders

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you'll wanna do that for duskworld too

prisma halo
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Renaming the executable is just the alternative to renaming the folders

fair mirage
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oh

modern tiger
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yeah, changed folder case, bosh.

hallow sorrel
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so working now?

prisma halo
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Now I wonder why it was named Dusk_Data in the first place

hallow sorrel
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is it named differently in different depots?

modern tiger
hallow sorrel
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and was installed previously with proton?

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sweet

prisma halo
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Could be

hallow sorrel
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the only bug I found in DUSK for Linux is the Fakedos boot.... this has to be replaced ๐Ÿ˜›

modern tiger
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And yes, was previously installed with Proton - might be a clue. Given the lack of people screaming about this, i'd guess that was the issue.

prisma halo
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It's potentially also something that should be reported to Valve/Steam

fair mirage
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mine was straight from a storage drive

prisma halo
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Because verifying files should've picked up on that

mild ginkgo
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yeah very interesting indeed

hallow sorrel
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I had it installed previously with proton and it did update correctly...

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but I had a step between with the empty depot update (non-beta)

hybrid condor
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aw i just earned completionist on the last level i had left to do and it didnt gave me the achievement
rip

mild ginkgo
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you must be missing a level

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did you do any of them pre-1.0?

modern tiger
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sorry am busy

hybrid condor
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im not really sure, i made sure to replay every level and get the completionist achievement again

modern tiger
mild ginkgo
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ill send you some dms harry to work this out

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heyy shes working at least!

queen coral
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OpenGL renderer right? how's performance in that

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(and what GPU/driver combo)

fair mirage
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i kept forgetting to turn the fps counter on

modern tiger
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Sweet as a nut, if you're asking me.

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how do you turn the FPS counter on~?

fair mirage
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steam's got one

modern tiger
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Oh, right.

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TIL

fair mirage
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might be able to get to it through the overlay

sly path
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Yeah Steam overlay has a built in FPS counter.

modern tiger
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how do you get that again? Shift and tab? If so, I've disabled it. Woops.

fair mirage
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yeah

modern tiger
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Fixed it

fair mirage
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neat

hallow sorrel
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I play it with onboard hd4400 GPU, vulkan renderer and performance is good

modern tiger
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I'm getting a constant 60fps so far

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A3870, R280, openGL I'd expect.

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(never got Vulkan to work on this thing, wrong GPU architecture or something)

hallow sorrel
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$HOME/.config/unity3d/David Szymanski/Dusk/Player.log < you can check here

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but probably opengl

queen coral
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you mean these A8 APUs?

modern tiger
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yeah, but I was dense and got an APU....and a mobo with no video output.

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Because I am AMAZINFG

balmy sluice
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Lmao

queen coral
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oof

modern tiger
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Desktop is 1920 x 1080 @ 60 Hz
Initialize engine version: 2018.2.8f1 (ae1180820377)
GfxDevice: creating device client; threaded=1
Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on AMD TAHITI (DRM 2.49.0 / 4.9.0-8-amd64, LLVM 3.9.1)
Vendor: X.Org
Version: 4.3 (Core Profile) Mesa 13.0.6
GLES: 0

So yeah, openGL

queen coral
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mesa 13?

modern tiger
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Tahiti was the last GPU arch before the guts for Vulkan got baked in I think

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Johnny, apparently, yeah

queen coral
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tahiti is... 7k right?

modern tiger
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Yup. They renamed it through to the r280

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7950/7970 etc

queen coral
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isn't that GCN tho

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afaik GCN1 hardware should have early vulkan support

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using RADV

hybrid condor
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hecking finally, dont drop it and true 100% achieved after so much time lol
thanks @mild ginkgo for helping me with the problem

now i gonna have to wait for the next update

queen coral
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gj

modern tiger
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you'd thing Johnny....you'd thing

queen coral
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that's weird

mild ginkgo
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you can switch to the testing branch and get those cheeves now if you want

hybrid condor
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will see, depending on how much it has to update. my internet rn is potato so it takes ages to update stuff lol

delicate sail
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It's only 19MB

hybrid condor
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oh pfft then ill update and will go for the acheivements lol

crimson folio
mild ginkgo
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Very cool

modern tiger
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That was a fun hour of dusking. Anyway, Re the Vulkan thing, that was why I moved from Ubuntu to Debian - trying to get that working. NOPE.

queen coral
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should've moved to arch then

modern tiger
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Hush now Johnny, I like my Debs ๐Ÿ˜‰

queen coral
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so do I

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but it's usually a good idea when dealing with these things to do it all the masochist way

modern tiger
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Yeah, but I get that at work ๐Ÿ˜‰

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I'm a linux sysop/admin remember ๐Ÿ˜‰

queen coral
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nothing can stand between me and the apt build-dep command

modern tiger
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I get enough of that tat with the works stuff ๐Ÿ˜„

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I may have to have a fiddle with Arch one day, but I prefer the familiarity of Debian for now. I'm not a dyed in the wool, 20 year linux veteran - I only started playing with it with...oof, hoary hedgehog? And not 'for works' until about five years ago - and I've learned most of what I know in the last few years (on top of my eesh, nearly 20 years of Windows tech/sysadmin stuff).

So todays not looking too good. I might just build a new PC soon once I've paid a few debts off, etc.

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Save me the bother ๐Ÿ˜‰

queen coral
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messing with arch on your own pace is a good way to properly learn Linux too, but I can see it being a little too much when you're hot on your heels with it on work tho

hybrid condor
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oof those new achievements felt easy peasy compared to dont drop it and true 100% lol

earnest charm
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Iโ€™m currently near the end of episode 3 and I gotta say that DUSK is one of the best FPS games I have ever played

modern tiger
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Oh, I got up to E1M5 before my wrist gave up. I think I need to start taking RSI seriously.

earnest charm
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I wonโ€™t spoil shit but goddamn the second and third episodes are so good

queen coral
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learning to use the arm rather than the wrist for mouse is a good idea for these games

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otherwise your wrist becomes foobar after a map or two

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too much mouse movement

earnest charm
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Yeah my mouse hands have been trained by quake, blood, tf2 and counter strike

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Also doom of course

queen coral
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E3 elevated Dusk to obscene levels

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fucking amazing

eternal carbon
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I can attest to what Johnny said, keeping your wrists steady will save them, move with the arm

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Lowering my sens helped me achieve that

earnest charm
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When I close the game i start realizing how fast my heart is beating and how much i hold my breath in that game

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Which is a very good feeling

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Havenโ€™t had a game give me that kind of a rush in years

queen coral
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try a Duskmare run

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it's a thriller for sure

earnest charm
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I beat the first level on duskmare and I think thatโ€™s good enough for me lmao

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Got the achievement

queen coral
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Dusk becomes a proper horror game at that point

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I'm still traumatized by the rats

earnest charm
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Yeah

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E2M2 got me good

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No spoilers but yeah I jumped

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And episode 3โ€™s atmosphere is incredible

hybrid condor
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episode 3 is such a hecking wild ride

earnest charm
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The fact that the game made me still feel fear even when Iโ€™m a back-flipping, dual-shotgun-wielding, bunny-hopping madman is a fucking achievement

royal herald
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I recently learned DUSK is built on unity, somehow, which might help to explain the atmosphere

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Unity can look REALLY good

earnest charm
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Itโ€™s a versatile engine

royal herald
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David said he had to try really hard to make it NOT look like a modern game

earnest charm
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Itโ€™s just it has a bad rep due to a couple bad apple unity devs

royal herald
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It's an introductory game engine

queen coral
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hell no

earnest charm
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Gamemaker is introductory

queen coral
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Unity has a lower barrier of entry, but a proper Unity game takes skill

earnest charm
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Actually no

royal herald
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That is why I called it introductory.

queen coral
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otherwise your game will run like absolute shit

earnest charm
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Scratch is an introductory engine

royal herald
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Something can be complex but still easy to pick up

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I'm talking proper 3d game engines

queen coral
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nah, GM and Pico8 are introductory engines

earnest charm
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Nah doom wadding is an introductory engine

royal herald
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That's the issue. You can go back and back I suppose to designing a computer. I draw the line for what separates types of "game engines" by category. Three dimensional game development wise, Unity is by far the easiest to pick up and learn.

queen coral
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I get what you mean, I just don't think people should go 3D as a beginner course

earnest charm
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Nah roblox is an introductory engine

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Alright Iโ€™m done fucking around

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But yeah I see your point

sly path
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I personally prefer working in UE4 but Unity is definitely a good toolset.

earnest charm
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You can make cool 2D games in unity too though

royal herald
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I prefer SDL for 2d games

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or sfml.

earnest charm
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A friend of mine is developing a platformer on it

royal herald
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or opengl. Anything that ends with l.

queen coral
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why not start with L

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Love2d

royal herald
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I'm currently making a 2d DUSK game with SDL

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I have no sprites though

queen coral
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1.2 or 2.0

royal herald
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or animations

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2.0

queen coral
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vomits

mild ginkgo
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unity is much harder to use than ue4 to get something worth playing out of it

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ill tell you that for free

royal herald
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I'm a programmer, not an artist lol.

queen coral
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joking aside, glhf

royal herald
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No sprites/animations

queen coral
royal herald
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It isn't in a state that you'd reckognize it as dusk though. Everything is cubes

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That was my inspiration for a game I made on UE4 called "Cubert's wild ride" actually

sly path
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Unity definitely needs more work to get a prototype.

mild ginkgo
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^^^

queen coral
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I'd say you can shit a decent prototype really quickly with unity

mild ginkgo
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it just doesnt have as much built in stuff as ue4

queen coral
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but getting a decent, well polished game in it is a PITA

royal herald
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Absolutely. I think that also contributes to why unity gets a bad rap

sly path
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UE4 on the other hand has really good starting presets which makes prototyping pretty quick.

royal herald
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I made a full arena-FPS game in a week on UE4, all the stuff is there

sly path
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The starting presets are also pretty easy to build off of.

mild ginkgo
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like ue4 has an fps pawn you can drop right in

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unity has none of that

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you have to build everything your self

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Which is great for learning i guess

royal herald
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I like that control when developing in Unity, but yeah, a lot more work in the longrun

sly path
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UE4's built in character controller is pretty nice.

queen coral
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Unity's character controller on the other hand

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holy shit

royal herald
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dicking around with the camera for the first person characters is a nightmare

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yeah

queen coral
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I've seen terrible physics in the past but this is on another level

mild ginkgo
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lol

sly path
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Wish it was a bit more flexible but that's what making your own in C++ is for.

royal herald
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I've never developed games on source engine; How do hl2 engine games stack up development wise

sly path
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Or blueprint I guess.

royal herald
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Python is pseudo-code

mild ginkgo
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the worst parts about unity are by FAR the input management, the ui support, and the build pipeline

queen coral
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Source is a good engine being stretched wide

sly path
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Source has aged about as well tool set wise as a banana.

queen coral
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no dear ImGUI on unity 0/10 throw it in the garbage

prisma halo
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Unity is a bit more versatile out of the box I think, but you pay for that by it being more work to get off the ground (which isn't necessarily a bad thing)
UE4 on the other hand is a lot easier to get going with, but it lacks a lot of low-level features that Unity has (which is sort of mitigated by having source access)

mild ginkgo
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at HAS imgui

prisma halo
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Personally I'm not a huge fan of either engine, but I'm a very odd person

mild ginkgo
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its just intended only for dev use

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which is silly

queen coral
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dear imgui

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not imgui

prisma halo
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if Unity had dear imgui then its imgui would be good

mild ginkgo
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ah yeah

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someone did an integration for it

queen coral
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Unity's ImGUI is absolute trash, Dear ImGUI is godly

mild ginkgo
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its available

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its quite nice, i tried it out

prisma halo
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dear imgui is great

queen coral
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I build everything with Dear ImGUI nowadays, even one-off tools

sly path
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UE4 definitely has since frustrating quirks but it makes yup for that with really versatile animation and visual scripting tools.

mild ginkgo
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ive never actually used it for anything

prisma halo
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I've found that UE4 has tried to market itself as the artist's engine

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while Unity markets itself more as the programmer's engine

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and, well, those descriptions fit

queen coral
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I had a single night to build some client/server thingadoo for sensors/fall detection for a pervasive computing course

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with UI and whatever for a presentation

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ImGUI basically saved my ass

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you get a good UI with like, 20 lines

prisma halo
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Yeah, it's quite good

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Definitely a benchmark for immediate-mode GUI API design

queen coral
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there's inherent value to not having to sync data when you're trying to write a UI for debugging

prisma halo
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Yeah

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IMGUIs are severely underrated

queen coral
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plus the ability of just writing a couple lines and getting instant output of what you want to see without any rework of your UI or code

mild ginkgo
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totally, imgui is the defacto debugging tool

queen coral
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it's bananas

prisma halo
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People scream about IMGUI being slow by design, but that's incredibly overstated

hallow sorrel
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hmm DUSKWORLD has some really bad performance (unplayable) and looks strange in gdb:
small excerpt:

Thread 1 "DUSKWORLD.x86_6" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x000000004004d1bd in ?? ()
(gdb) c
Continuing.

Thread 1 "DUSKWORLD.x86_6" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x000000004004d1bd in ?? ()
(gdb) c
Continuing.

Thread 1 "DUSKWORLD.x86_6" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x000000004004d1bd in ?? ()
(gdb) c
Continuing.

Thread 1 "DUSKWORLD.x86_6" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x000000004004d1bd in ?? ()
(gdb) c
Continuing.

Thread 1 "DUSKWORLD.x86_6" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x000000004004d1bd in ?? ()
(gdb) c
Continuing.

Thread 1 "DUSKWORLD.x86_6" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x000000004004d1bd in ?? ()
(gdb) c
Continuing.

Thread 1 "DUSKWORLD.x86_6" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x000000004004d1bd in ?? ()
(gdb) c
Continuing.

Thread 1 "DUSKWORLD.x86_6" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x000000004004d1bd in ?? ()
(gdb) c
Continuing.

Thread 1 "DUSKWORLD.x86_6" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x000000004004d1bd in ?? ()
(gdb) c
Continuing.

Thread 1 "DUSKWORLD.x86_6" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x000000004004d1bd in ?? ()
(gdb) c
Continuing.

Thread 1 "DUSKWORLD.x86_6" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x000000004004d1bd in ?? ()
(gdb) c
Continuing.

Thread 1 "DUSKWORLD.x86_6" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x000000004004d1bd in ?? ()
(gdb) c
Continuing.

Thread 1 "DUSKWORLD.x86_6" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x000000004004d1bd in ?? ()
(gdb) c
Continuing.

Thread 43 "DUSKWORLD.x86_6" received signal SIGPWR, Power fail/restart.
[Switching to Thread 0x7fffac0b0700 (LWP 19012)]
0x0000000001965978 in ?? ()
(gdb) c
Continuing.
prisma halo
#

Sure there are faster ways to make a GUI, but immediate-mode is by no means "slow"

#

slow-er maybe

#

but that means nothing

queen coral
#

Dear ImGUI is more than fast enough

prisma halo
#

segfault

#

ruh roh

queen coral
#

the worst bottleneck here is usually rendering, and getting an optimized batch of things to draw is good enough

prisma halo
#

it all depends on how you buffer & submit stuff

hallow sorrel
#

yeah ...but it gets forward and I also had this between:

#
[Switching to Thread 0x7ffff1db5700 (LWP 18256)]
0x00007ffff7aa612e in sigsuspend ()
   from /usr/lib/libc.so.6
(gdb) continue 
Continuing.```
mild ginkgo
#

duskworld has a few performance things that need addressed

hallow sorrel
#

okay

mild ginkgo
#

let it be known its on the list

prisma halo
#

I wonder why it's constantly segfaulting

queen coral
#

well, in that front Dear ImGUI just gives you an optimized api-agnostic vertex list

mild ginkgo
#

im not sure why that is

#

we definitely didnt run into that in testing

hallow sorrel
#

yeah really strange

mild ginkgo
#

i hate to do the "works on my machine" thing lmao

hallow sorrel
#

๐Ÿ˜„

#

lol I work in support...so yeah

hallow sorrel
#

one addition the first segfault is here:

#0  0x00007ffff7f7c436 in do_futex_wait.constprop () at /usr/lib/libpthread.so.0
#1  0x00007ffff7f7c538 in __new_sem_wait_slow.constprop.0 () at /usr/lib/libpthread.so.0
#2  0x00007ffff274b833 in mono_sem_wait () at /home/***/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Dusk/DUSKWORLD_Data/Mono/x86_64/libmono.so
#3  0x00007ffff26b5e1c in  () at /home/***/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Dusk/DUSKWORLD_Data/Mono/x86_64/libmono.so
#4  0x00007ffff271db9c in  () at /home/***/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Dusk/DUSKWORLD_Data/Mono/x86_64/libmono.so
#5  0x00007ffff274374b in  () at /home/***/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Dusk/DUSKWORLD_Data/Mono/x86_64/libmono.so
#6  0x00007ffff2764296 in  () at /home/***/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Dusk/DUSKWORLD_Data/Mono/x86_64/libmono.so
#7  0x00007ffff7f73a9d in start_thread () at /usr/lib/libpthread.so.0
#8  0x00007ffff7b69b23 in clone () at /usr/lib/libc.so.6
modern tiger
#

I'll have a play around in Duskworld tomorrow and see if I can make anything odd happen. Not seen anything bizarre in the (fairly brief) play I had tonight.

livid hemlock
#

ON ANOTHER NOTE: when is the game getting mod support, I wanna make the cigar smoke to have the effects of the Crystal of Madness and convert cultists left and right to do my bidding ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

modern tiger
#

Clearly also needs vape support. ๐Ÿ˜‰

atomic egret
#

wololo

queen coral
#

wololo vape

#

now that's some next level shit

#

keep in mind anything done using that framework is considered disposable, since it'll be made redundant by the SDK

mild chasm
#

I want someone to make a too many shotguns mod for Dusk except instead of shotguns it's a bunch of variations on the cigar

queen coral
#

Too Many Cigars?

mild chasm
#

Yes

frigid pond
#

me and my friend realized that endless on duskmare is tons of fun just because the opponents spawn in the same positions every time. does anyone know the reasoning why they don't spawn randomly?

livid hemlock
#

To help pussies like you to be able to reach wave 10 without wetting the bed (jk, I dunno, fixed spawns?)

opal plover
#

When will we get Ep3 tracks for endless/DW

mild chasm
#

Endless spawns are likely fixed locations so that you have no chance of getting screwed over by crap RNG spawning an enemy into you or a leatherneck spawning right up against you and getting a free instant hit in

#

and stuff like that

#

Makes your survival rely purely on your skill instead of luck of the draw

opal plover
#

The spawn locations are fixed but the enemies are random afaik

grand zodiac
#

No

#

At least on farm everything is 100% consistent

opal plover
#

I can pretty clearly remember a pre episode 2 patch that stated otherwise

#

Might have been broken at whatever moment

#

Or not implemented in Endless 3

#

Also pls add wave counter with tab

delicate sail
#

+1 for wave counter ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

livid hemlock
#

How about a endless map set on those bloody ribs, and other asserted body parts, where you need to jump between platforms (body parts), called the void of flesh

opal plover
#

That'd be neat

jaunty meteor
#

What exactly does this DuskMod allow you to do

#

The description isn't very informative

mild chasm
#

It's a bootstrapper

#

basically lets you make bare bones modifications

#

I think anyways

pastel olive
#

Oh shit so it doesn't count as untouchable on E3M10 if you beat the boss while falling to the secret

#

well, looks like it will be the only level in my DUSKMARE vids without untouchable

#

Crossbow way is pure RNG

#

you should be extremely lucky to have the boss hitting the same side twice

#

redoing Jacob fight every time would be extremely tedious

mild ginkgo
#

The crossbow isn't really rng

#

It is possible to reliably get that secret without taking a hit, it's just real difficult

balmy sluice
#

^

hybrid condor
#

can i make a very ignorant question?
what is RNG?

dim plank
#

Random Number Generator

#

like rolling a pair of dice

#

~But Virtually~

hybrid condor
#

ahhh alrighty then

#

danke

grand zodiac
#

Donkey

lost willow
#

fell into a bowl of sugar

#

...

#

now thats a sweet ass

graceful wing
#

Rng is random but way nerdier

magic reef
#

Is there gonna be a steam workshop feature to dusk

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where people can make their on maps and such

#

Like how doom 2016 has snapmap

graceful wing
#

!duskroadmap

hollow ivyBOT
#

EXPECT TO SEE THESE FEATURES AND MORE IN DUSK SOONโ„ข
Mac/Linux and DRM Free versions
TDM, CTF and DUSKWorld content updates
Language localizations
The SDK + Steam Workshop Mods
Co-Op
MORE achievements
New Game +
Console Ports

PHYSICAL GOODIES
The Big Box Physical Collector's Edition
The CD and Vinyl Soundtrack
New DUSK merch is coming to The New Blood Store (https://newblood.games/)
and IndieBox (https://theindiebox.com/collections/dusk)

dim plank
#

WAIT SINCE WHEN DID WE GET NEW GAME +

graceful wing
#

Well ye gettin one now ๐Ÿ˜Ž

dim plank
magic reef
#

Wait what is new game +

#

Like, what does it mean?

dim plank
#

brand appropriate reaction image

#

also

#

newgame+ is like

#

so you beat the game

magic reef
#

like a bunch of new episodes??

dim plank
#

and you unlock a mode that lets you do extra stuff if you choose newgame+

#

probably giving you the sword straight away if what I'm assuming is right

mild ginkgo
#

well

#

your image is a good hint

#

actually

dim plank
#

YO

mild ginkgo
#

as you know, beating the game, duskdude finds some....power

graceful wing
#

NG + is a very broad term

dim plank
#

NO SHIT?

#

@final estuary

magic reef
#

right..

graceful wing
#

Unfortunately there's not much we're able to share as of now :(

mild chasm
#

Oh yeah, how long do you guys think that it might take for the workshop to be set up proper and all that after the SDK launches?

#

Or is that so far off you can't even estimate it yet

magic reef
#

yeah but when you do level select you can just tweak the loadouts n such

mild ginkgo
#

i think the workshop will likely be in tandem with the sdk

dim plank
#

is there any estimate of release on the NG+ stuff?

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or is it Top Sekrit

mild ginkgo
#

nothing that would be close enough to accurately predict yet

dim plank
#

ah gotcha

graceful wing
#

It's not that we're not telling but rather we have no idea either hehe

hybrid condor
#

Dusk Episode 4 when? okno

graceful wing
#

We don't set release dates till we're 100% sure there's going to be a polished game ready on said date

median iris
#

what about a rich presence for the game on discord?

graceful wing
#

Planned

median iris
#

cool

graceful wing
#

And before you ask the discord store is also on the table hopefully

hybrid condor
#

hey that would actually be pretty cool

pastel olive
#

@mild ginkgo I got it without taking hit many times, but boss keeps doing slide attack and kills me before I get back

#

Anyway, I'm done with all levels now

#

saveless/soapless/completionist/intruder/untouchable (except E3M10, but I didn't take any hits until getting frozen after beating final boss during jump on the secret)

loud needle
#

@graceful wing so Dusk in Floppy disc when?

#

I come from a poor country known as missouri we don't have internet

#

so we must use floppy

agile jolt
#

then how are you talking to us

loud needle
#

Smoke signals

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and

#

Telegraph lines

#

it is very complex

agile jolt
#

bullshit

loud needle
#

~(-_-)~

#

I still remember when I was a kid my mom buying us CD games

#

and we didn't have a CD drive

#

it was good times

agile jolt
#

you were meant to preserve them

#

play them later when you did get a cd drive

loud needle
#

Finally forked over the $150, to be able to play Daggerfall and blood

agile jolt
#

like a time capsule

loud needle
#

yea

graceful wing
#

Oof floppies

#

Tbf the biggest part of dusk is the music so we could probably fit dusk sans the music into about maybe 500 high density floppies

agile jolt
#

sansundertale

graceful wing
#

Oof

worldly beacon
#

This game won't get DLC, right?

hybrid condor
#

afaik there's nothing planned so far
like the only dlcs so far are from the Intruder Edition

#

with that i mean Graphic novel and OST

dim plank
#

nah fam

#

Micro transactions for golden Sickles bro

#

bedazzled riveter DLC

hybrid condor
#

Al Enemies Voiced By Dave Oshry DLC

elder haven
#

i'm holding out for the Big John body pillow

#

"COME AND HUG ME! NYAUEUAGH"

hybrid condor
#

pfft

#

now im gonna design that body pillow just for shit and giggles lol

fair mirage
hybrid condor
#

not understanding what the frick is going on on the screen

slate edge
#

cool pixelart its missing clown vomit though

graceful wing
#

A bit late to the party but oh well

#

All content updates currently planned. For dusk are free

night blaze
#

So, when thinking of doing a workshop map, I will be using Unity tools or a Dusk related editor?

placid pebble
#

Hi, someone here is ussing full screen mode exclusive?

hybrid condor
#

wait, dusk has exclusive fullscreen mode?

placid pebble
#

with launch commands, yes

#

and with some patching, but is not working for me

night blaze
#

What does full screen exclusive means? I'm on fullscreen yeah

royal herald
#

will there be more achievements related to endless mode?

mild ginkgo
#

๐Ÿ™„

hoary pulsar
#

hey guys, does anyone know if there's an estimate for when the dusk level editor thing will be available?

graceful wing
#

when it's done

hoary pulsar
#

yeah l'm just wondering if there's a rough estimate

mild ginkgo
#

a few months most likely

hoary pulsar
#

alright cool, thanks

stray violet
#

Somebody needs to recreate Quake in the Dusk engine so you can essentially play as Duskdude in Quake.

#

that would be freaking awesome

opaque spindle
#

When DAWN comes out you can more than likely just port Quake maps over to Dusk

#

Since they use the same format I believe

storm raft
#

is the sequel going to be called dawn?

#

but what about the night ๐Ÿค”

jade root
#

dawn is the SDK

storm raft
#

ah ok

#

my bad

#

hey i had a weird bug on stream the other day didn't know if i should post that somewhere. it locked me out of the map actually

jade root
#

do a steam post

#

itll get buried here

storm raft
#

i can't post there

jade root
storm raft
#

says i lack the perms

jade root
#

to post

#

on dusks steam forums?

storm raft
#

oh my bad misread

#

thanks i'll post it over there

jade root
#

yeet

short cradle
#

dusk is the game

#

dawn is the tools

#

then the sequel would be...

#

twilight LUL

vague egret
#

leave

short cradle
#

sorry

vague egret
#

dusk 2: because fuck you

short cradle
#

dusk 2: nyarlathothep got you some errands to do

tropic bramble
#

DUSK 2: Stephan wants a sandwich

hybrid condor
#

Dusk 2: kill some gods just because nyarlathothep told you to

royal herald
#

I'm in the works of a dnd campaign based off DUSK

#

DUSK has hit the mainstream.

crimson folio
#

Really?

royal herald
#

In my research around the deep southern areas like those in DUSK, I have found that DUSK is mentioned on lovecraftian wikipedia pages

crimson folio
#

Ladies and gentlemen

#

We got em

royal herald
#

notable enough for it to show up everywhere now

crimson folio
#

How many sales so far

#

Itโ€™s more than 70000 I know that for sure

royal herald
#

On the fourteenth of january it was 69,420 sales

#

I imagine it has reached somewhere around 75-80 grand by now

elder haven
#

closing in on 100k fast

#

the story format of dusk would make a great D&D campaign, come to think of it

#

since TREASURE is the chief motivator for most PCs, if we're being realistic

viral gate
#

Dunno what you're talking about, I totally didn't fight a massive tiger owned by a wealthy tradesmen with my bare hands for jewels and gold before.

#

(This was before a friend of mine whom was a druid tried to befriend the tiger and almost got his faced ripped off)

magic reef
#

Oh boy! I can't wait for brutal dusk!

crimson folio
#

BROOTAL

spiral peak
#

I beat a level on DUSKMARE
it was The Gauntlet
side note, rivet jumping while on duskmare does not count as getting hit

#

also I didn't get the achievement for going to the Ratacombs

mild ginkgo
#

that wouldve been cruel

royal herald
#

The gauntlet is the one with the guardian right

spiral peak
#

mhm

royal herald
#

Just telefrag him on duskmare

spiral peak
#

I soaped him cause I don't trust my telefrag timing

royal herald
#

What's the level in episode 3 with like 200 enemies

#

let's finish that on duskmare

mild ginkgo
#

dweller in the darkness

#

e3m9

spiral peak
#

it's the easiest level from a certain point of view

#

I need to do it for real one day

elder haven
#

i've done it for real

#

not on cero miedo, but i've done it

magic reef
#

dweller in the darkness on duskmare is really hard but not impossible

#

You can just strafe-hop long enough to get some enemies to fight eachother

#

killing roughly half of them and then you can use the riveter to dispatch the rest of them

royal herald
#

For real?

#

What do you mean do it for real?

#

What is the alternative

#

I always play on the ultra violence equivalent but why is Duskmare not a nightmare equivalent?

#

If enemies de-gibbified or came back every minute or two so that you REALLY had to keep moving and not stop shooting, I'd love it more than "one shot you're done."

worldly beacon
#

Not Brutal Dusk.

hybrid condor
#

i mean Dusk is pretty brutal already

worldly beacon
#

There's Brutal Doom, Project Brutality, Brutal Doom Black Edition, Brutal Doom 64, Brutal Heretic (maybe), Brutal Hexen, Brutal Strife, Brutal Chex Quest, Brutal Quake, Quake 1.5.

elder haven
#

brutal chex quest???

#

goddamn

woeful sonnet
#

@worldly beacon can confirm brutal heretic

#

@hybrid condor I mean ignoring duskmare which I don't consider a legit difficulty so much as a joke one not really

queen coral
#

@worldly beacon Quake 1.5 is more akin to Ketchup Gore Mod than Brutal Doom

woeful sonnet
#

....

#

have you played it?

#

I mean its far superior to brutal doom mostly because everything it adds doesn't completely botch the core mechanics

#

But ketchup is just a blood mod and quake 1.5 does so much more

elder haven
#

quake 1.5 adds actual boss fights

#

it's tight as hell

queen coral
#

@woeful sonnet thats what Im trying to say, that Q1.5 doesnt ruin the fuck outta the game

#

like Brutal Doom does

woeful sonnet
#

ah

queen coral
#

and yes, I have been following development of it over the years

#

(and played it)

marble narwhal
#

When's that update

vague egret
#

some time

#

maybe

royal herald
#

y'all need to stop hassling newblood

#

they've just released the mac/linux versions haven't they

#

check the roadmap

night blaze
#

Kind of, it's on testing not yet released because steam store don't show it if it's not on the main branch

marble narwhal
#

lol

#

I'm sorry for being excited

jagged ferry
#

uh question

#

how do i check the roadmap

#

๐Ÿค”

#

like do you mean that steam announcement or

agile helm
#

what are the actual conditions for the Low Tech award?

magic reef
#

playing dusk with pixelazation

jade root
#

Sickles/sword/crossbow only

agile helm
#

right

#

I assume that is only for kills

#

because Low Tech automatically gets awarded with Pacifist

#

despite using guns to break stuff

queen coral
#

afaik even an explosion trigger killing some enemy by accident can fuck a pacifist run

agile helm
#

yes

#

but if it is blown by an enemy, it does not get counted

#

so I guess there is that

#

I wonder if it is possible to make a completionist run by using ONLY thrown items

#

I guess crystals should be also allowed in specific levels

#

I am not sure how I will be doing a pacifist run on The Crypt of Flesh

#

I had to cheat on the cave level with the lowest difficulty (and found out how easy the difficulty is)

rustic wadi
#

i love this game ๐Ÿ˜„

#

pls more

viral gate
#

With the modding SDK coming up we'll can contribute providing more awesome content

#

and meme mods shudder

rustic wadi
#

episode 2 level 2

#

in the darkness

#

that was so good

opal plover
#

Andy pls

crimson folio
#

yo

grand zodiac
#

What the hell is that tweet implying

worldly beacon
#

Third person mod for Dusk.

atomic egret
#

full ost on youtube

crimson folio
#

new game+ were the sky is trippy

slate edge
#

NG+ where every enemy is big john

sand ferry
#

@slate edge mama > big john

#

also i want a mode were every enemie is a rat

opal plover
#

So every map is E3MS?

dim plank
#

a real, true DUSKMARE

agile helm
#

Well, I heard you like....

rustic wadi
#

why did they even include fucking rats

#

why is it always fucking rats in every fucking game????

graceful wing
#

Rats are no good

rustic wadi
#

can i be a rat in the next game?

grand zodiac
#

e3ms is the only actually bad level in Dusk

#

It's not even funny

#

How is it that when you shoot a rivet at 10 rats standing on top of each other and only 2 die

opaque spindle
#

Cuz itโ€™s epic

rustic wadi
#

coz the rat's hitbox is fucked

#

i swear

#

thats literally the only crticisism i have of this game otherwise 10/10

jagged ferry
#

so is e3ms rat central

rustic wadi
#

you can miss the rat at point blank range with a shotgun

#

well at least i can

jagged ferry
#

i've done that too

#

with the super shotgun too

rustic wadi
#

its like what the fuck

#

who coded you

#

mr rat

desert aspen
#

man people always say vermintide is rat game

jagged ferry
#

the bfg should've just been a chant wear dusk dude says

desert aspen
#

but dusk is the real rat game

jagged ferry
#

"be GONE, RATS"

#

and all the rats in the level die

rustic wadi
#

if noone likes them

#

i dunno

opaque spindle
#

I mean I donโ€™t think theyโ€™re very hard to take care of

rustic wadi
#

kinda messes with the momentum of the game having to aim down and lose all my ammo to shoot a fucking rat when i was killing all this other epic shit before

#

feels out of place

opaque spindle
#

Theyโ€™re a one hit kill with all weapons

rustic wadi
#

especially when the hitbox doesnt fucking work

opaque spindle
#

Hit box is fine

rustic wadi
#

lmao no its not

opaque spindle
#

Just have to aim a bit

rustic wadi
#

i will do a video

#

called

#

rats_fucked_hitbox

jagged ferry
#

rat ๐Ÿ‘ review ๐Ÿ‘

rustic wadi
#

i will slow it down frame by frame

#

hours of footage

opaque spindle
#

I played dusk the other day and didnโ€™t have any problems with the rats tbh ๐Ÿคท

rustic wadi
#

well that solves i guess

#

CASE CLOSED

opaque spindle
#

Even the Ratacombs are piss easy

elder haven
#

rats are designed to be annoying little fucks, and they do their job well

rustic wadi
#

if i wanna play a game like dusk i wanna shoot demons and zombies

#

not fucking rats

#

that u dont even see and cant hit becauese their hitbox is halfway through the floor

#

otherwise 10/10 game

opaque spindle
#

๐Ÿค”

rustic wadi
#

srsly you can miss it with the rivet

#

its an actual hitbox error i swear

#

its bullshit

royal herald
#

Rats are easy to slay man, you just point at them and shoot them

#

Use something like the shotgun or pistols

graceful wing
#

Usually a waste of shells imo

#

Pistols and the ar are good for rat disposal

hollow cosmos
#

Itโ€™s the exact reason why the first thing you fight when you pick up the ar outside of the e1m2 secret is like 14 rats

jagged ferry
#

fuck those 14 rats tbh

hollow cosmos
#

Iโ€™ve never had problems with just riveting those rats and killing almost all of them at once

jagged ferry
#

that's the first thing i tried and it's never worked

hollow cosmos
#

Try mortar as well

#

Something about it feels like it has a slightly bigger explosion radius but Iโ€™m not sure

#

Flamethrower would have been a cool weapon for dealing with rats, like set some ground fire like in kf2

elder haven
#

mortar's also real good for rats yea

molten peak
#

Mod idea: Press a button to drop rat traps. Rats make a b-line for them an instadie upon contact. Unlimited supply

elder haven
#

there's a reason you get it almost immediately in ratacombs

molten peak
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Get out of here John Stalvern, you ARE the demons!

hollow cosmos
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Imagine snakes for dusk 2: theyโ€™re just rats but faster and thinner

elder haven
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thank you for getting my reference

hollow cosmos
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Dusk dude is a treasure hunter so like โ€œwhyโ€™d it have to be snakes?โ€

dim plank
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goddamnit

hollow cosmos
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Hydra boss

dim plank
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at this point, the ending to dusk is like

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not even sequel bait

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it's NG+ bait

hollow cosmos
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Yeah but who would argue with a sequel eventually

molten peak
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Has David even hinted at what kind of power we'll have in NG+ ?

dim plank
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I want David to make it bad intentionally

jade root
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actually

hollow cosmos
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Iโ€™d even take a doom 2 style sequel where itโ€™s basically a level pack with a few new enemies

dim plank
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I have one image that can explain it

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there you go

jade root
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theres zero details on NG+

dim plank
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if you don't get it, go play through the entire gamw

jade root
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and itll be a bit

hollow cosmos
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Dusk ep4: Easy Pete Strikes Back

jade root
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david is working on other stuff too

dim plank
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^

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I wouldn't expect dusk 2 for a good while

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or ep4

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at this point he probably won't make dusk 2, I'm willing to bet he'll release ep4 and that'll be what's after

jade root
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never say never

dim plank
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I'm interested in his other projects tho, they look neato

jade root
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but atm david is pretty sick of retro fps's lol

hollow cosmos
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Once we get mod support we can make our own dusk 2

dim plank
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understandable lmao

jade root
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working 3+ years on a single game

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its gonna have an effect on you

dim plank
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right

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I really hope he's satisfied with it ofc

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because its damn good

jade root
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i know he's planning on doing a post-mortem of dusk

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eventually

dim plank
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honestly 2018 GOTY for me since goddamn

hollow cosmos
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^^

jade root
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but i think he's said that ep1 is defo the weakest since he was still learning

dim plank
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ye

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BUT

jade root
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which, like, i disagree with

dim plank
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I feel like that just..

hollow cosmos
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Itโ€™s such a great opening though

dim plank
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adds to the progression

jade root
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cause e1ms is my favorite level

hollow cosmos
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My only problem with ep1 is the secret on e1m2 where you get every weapon but rifle immediately

jade root
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thats fair

hollow cosmos
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But itโ€™s a minor problem at best

jade root
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but to be fair there was a huge fuckin gap between ep1 release and ep2 release

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so giving you all the weapons to at least see them was a good call

hollow cosmos
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Yeah but itโ€™s basically just a room that imitates the all weapons cheat

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Which you could enter on e1m1 if you wanted

molten peak
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I actually despise games that don't give you ample time to use all the weapons it has on offer

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So I'm glad when I get a bunch of cool guns early

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because that means I get to tear shit up for the whole game

hollow cosmos
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That was a massive problem I had with strafe

dim plank
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I love the sense of just

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progression into FUCK that you get with each episode

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ep1 just feels like the backwoods of Pennsylvania

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with cultists

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and it nails it

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ep2 feels kinda boring to me personally until you get into and past escher

delicate sail
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With the very much understandable break David needs from Dusk, is he still doing things like patches for QA or NG+, or is he just consulting you guys while he's doing other things rn?

hollow cosmos
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The disposable nature of every single gun except the basic bitch starting weapons was disappointing as shit because there were some weapons that were really fun and it never felt like a good time to use them because they were such a completely finite resource

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Dusks arsenal is leas flashy but extremely dependable and t feels great to constantly switch between them as different enemies come at you

delicate sail
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Given that Zombie is pretty much rewriting the code and probably has a good amount of knowledge about how things work

elder haven
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i had a LOT of problems with Strafe besides the weapon selection tbh

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but yeah, Dusk's arsenal is absolutely solid. each weapon has a place where it shines

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it could use a BFG, but everything is so well-balanced around the existing arsenal that i don't really mind that much

dim plank
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oh strafe

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w

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ew

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I've seen game play if it and isn't it RNG

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yup

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Roguelike RNG level fest thing

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I never liked it

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it was hyped up to be "OLD SCHOOL" but really it was just...eh

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now dusk is an old-school styled game

desert aspen
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honestly it's good that the first levels in the game are the weakest

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but they aren't that weak

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they set up good expectations for the game's basics

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I mean just compare some of the crazy stuff some Doom WAD's get away with

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and compare those to E1M1

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E1M1 is really flat and simplistic in comparison to those

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but it sets up everything the first time player need to know about Doom

sand ferry
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@desert aspen even games like dark souls has a really easy first level and boss

elder haven
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is it just me or was anyone else reminded a bit of dark souls level design while playing dusk

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it first came to me around E3M2, the way that level kind of loops back in on itself

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and E3M3 felt a lot like lower undead burg, until i ||flooded the place||

desert aspen
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"it's like dark souls"

delicate sail
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Eh, maybe the lower part before the depths

viral crow
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@desert aspen I laffed

delicate sail
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But that level reminded me much more of thief

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Didn't really see the resemblance with DS

desert aspen
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Episode 3 mostly felt reminiscent to Quake's Elder World for me

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god just imagine if Dusk had an enemy like the Spawn

mild ginkgo
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hmm ds and thief

delicate sail
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or the archvile...

mild ginkgo
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i wonder if theres a game that could combine concepts from both of those ๐Ÿค”

viral crow
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Weirdly enough, the only enemy that gives me the OHSHITOHSHITOHSHITPRIORITYTARGET feeling akin to Q1 Spawn's are the demongoat thangs

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Just coz their projectile means they will take you out v quick

desert aspen
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Who would win

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One HUUH

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or 3 dozen bouncy bois

mild ginkgo
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huuh vs puup

queen coral
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the only thing that does OHSHITOHSHITOHSHITPRIORITYTARGET for me on DM are rats

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holy shit I swear to god whenever I hear that squeak I get a heart attack akin to what I get when I heard that ! metal gear sound

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there's some streamer with that as a donation sound and whenever I'm watching it on the bg it fucking destroys me

hollow cosmos
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How are the farm girls not your oh shit enemy

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Theyโ€™re about the only thing I actually donโ€™t like

queen coral
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because GL

hollow cosmos
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Theyโ€™re bullet sponges that fire rivets

queen coral
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bait them into standing still and lob a few nades

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and if you cant deal with it rivet its ass

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suddenly they're just not scary

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rats on the other hand always get me when I'm distracted and from a corner or something

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they attack right into my weakest point, not paying attention at all

delicate sail
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On CM, cowgirls are actually by far the enemy I like the least, but rats definitely take the cake on DM

queen coral
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yeah, CM is usually just balls to the walls hupping, instead of being more careful

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thats when the god damned cowgirls are the most annoying

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they just break the flow of the game

delicate sail
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Yeah. They feel kinda cheap. I would've preferred them to just be a glass canon

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Them being so tanky does exactly what you're describing

queen coral
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the best late game enemy is by far the horrors

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manageable, really damn fast, and absolutely powerful

delicate sail
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definitely

queen coral
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it flows well, it feels threatening and its absolutely fun to fight against

delicate sail
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crypt of the flesh was a masterpiece

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that reveal

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and that sound on death

queen coral
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perfection

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one of the most memorable enemies of the game

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the other one are the priestess or w/e these black knights are called

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that death sound just feels right

delicate sail
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yeah

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and fun meelee in an fps like dusk is ๐Ÿ‘Œ

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e1m1 with the sword is really cool

queen coral
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every game needs a motherfucker tho

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dusk has cowgirls

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doom has the god damned archvilles

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w:3d absolutely every enemy in the game specially the zombies

delicate sail
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haven't really played w3d, started with doom. w3d is on the index here, but I'd guess that I wouldn't enjoy it that much without those nostalgia goggles

queen coral
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Sincerely? start with RTCW

delicate sail
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Yeah I've played that ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

queen coral
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there's no point in playing it other than for nostalgic or masochistic reasons

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RTCW on the other hand is amazing

delicate sail
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rtcw has its flaws, but it's a really cool premise overall

queen coral
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great presentation, great fun

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oh and one of the best MPs I've ever had the opportunity to play

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I miss W:ET so damn much

delicate sail
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don't really see all too much of the wolfenstein series in DUSK though, guess it's just in between the 2 first fps wolfenstein titles inspiration-wise

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Actually, I haven'*t really played it, but isn't it still a free download?

queen coral
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It's opensource at this point

delicate sail
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Ah. Shouldn't there then be a community to keep playing with?

queen coral
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this is the current means of playing it

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It's not the same without the pals and whatever

delicate sail
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Yeah, I get that

queen coral
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it's way better than the current trashware EA/Activision are pushing out, but idk

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my friends are all playing other games and I'd rather be playing with them

delicate sail
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tbh retrospectively I didn't even +really like games like 1.6 back in the day, it was more about those lan parties and playing through the night

queen coral
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the community content tho

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bunnyhop, surf, minigames, etc

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CS:S was the peak

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holy shit there was just so much weird content

delicate sail
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Haha, that's when the LAN parties kinda stagnated in my group. Played hell of a lot weird maps in 1.6 though

queen coral
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well, I've been playing with a lot of the same people I've met on the CSS days still, like a decade already

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there was a strong community component back in these days

delicate sail
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But yeah, never really got into competitive online play, so now I'm mostly playing older SP games or get a bunch of indie titles to check out. DUSK just combines everything very well

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Yeah, agreed.

queen coral
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In terms of Indie titles Dusk sure hits the spot perfectly

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I'm curious to see if Dusk SDK will make Dusk live on for some more years

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can't wait to bring some dumb mods to the table myself

delicate sail
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That'd be amazing.

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Maybe it's a bit naive, but I guess it also depends on how compatible the SDK's really gonna be with og Quake custom content

queen coral
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I'm guessing it'll need some elbow grease

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like, redoing monster layout, etc

delicate sail
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haha. Yeah, probably,. I don't really know how it works on the tech side, just saw some demos of Zombie playing around with quake maps that actually seemed quite compatible from the getgo in those early stages. I mean, no enemies, things like door animations being completely borked etc., but everything was at the right place

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Would be really cool if DAWN could just be used as a sourceport

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But that might be impossible due to obvious reasons if you know the first thing about coding.

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Which I don't

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But yeah, getting some custom content in to DUSK would actually be really sweet

hollow cosmos
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Iโ€™m most interested in the part of the ask that will let you make custom weapons

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Imagine killing a leatherneck late in a custom campaign that drops his chainsaw for you to use or something

delicate sail
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Didn't someone already make a soap launcher with this bootstrapper thingy?

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Oh yeah, that'd be awesome. If we're lucky, the unused weapons will be included in the SDK. David actually had a chainsaw planned which was scrapped because it apparently sucked.

graceful wing
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Chainsaws don't work in dusk

hollow cosmos
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Rip the head off a wendigo that lets you cloak and charge enemies like a battering ram then

mild ginkgo
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theres all sorts of whacky stuff

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jetpack lmao

delicate sail
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lol

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Really looking forward to people utilizing that hookshot mechanic, feels really refined in DW

mild ginkgo
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we actually had a few map concepts with it that were canned because initially we werent going to release anything with the grapple

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theres a lot of fun movement stuff you can do with that

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at least in terms of level design

delicate sail
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glad that it made its way into DW, really fun stuff

mild ginkgo
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yeah hopefully we can finish and release some of the tighter concepts with it

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their current use is in a big, wide open room, but they work pretty well in more enclosed spaces

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for a while, mystica was going to have one

delicate sail
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heh, I could imagine it fitting in certain spots very well

queen coral
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yeah, I'm the dude behind the Soap Launcher

desert aspen
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@delicate sail fy_poolday dusk remake when

crimson folio
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10/10 SOAP LAUNCHER

queen coral
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worlds most dangerous weapon

delicate sail
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Haha, oh god, the memories. Always sucked at it tho. The soap launcher is stellar

queen coral
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fy_poolday was amazing

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the shotguns were actually viable

delicate sail
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played the 1.6 version tho

queen coral
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also the inpromptu desert eagle 1v1s

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you didnt need to communicate much, a single eagle shot was enough for the other survivng party to understand what was up

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I still want to see a Duskworld gamemode named "Dont Drop the Soap"

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one soap, many people, only one survivor

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soap royale

delicate sail
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Really looking forward to coop

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Gonna have to look some of you guys up once it's out

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Has anyone said anything about whether coop will be available in modded / custom campaigns?

vague egret
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something like that is kinda up in the air. wont say either way right now

delicate sail
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Alright, thanks!

modern tiger
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Soap launcher;
Adjust ballistics a touch to make it more challenging to get get mid-range hits
Basically Goldeneye on one hit kill mode.

thorn patrol
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It's like the Brick from Timesplitters but even better.

modern tiger
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I never got on with Timesplitters. Goldeneye-esque controls on a DualShock controller felt weird ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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(As you probably know, Timesplitters mechanically was very similar to GE/PD)

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(but had more ducks)

thorn patrol
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Yeah, I think Future Perfect's control scheme was basically Halo.

crimson folio
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achievements working yet?

mild ginkgo
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check the patch notes!

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(yes)

crimson folio
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okey cool

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I read it just wasn't sure if you could actually get them now

night blaze
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Great I just bought new gamepads

mild ginkgo
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good luck lol

night blaze
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Linux release hnmn hnmmmm ๐Ÿค˜๐Ÿค˜๐Ÿค˜๐Ÿค˜

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Live today?

mild ginkgo
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yes

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you should be able to switch back to the default branch

night blaze
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Nice!

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Going to tell a bunch of friends

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They tend to wait for the release and not betas ๐Ÿ˜‚

crimson folio
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Wait the patch is coming today?

livid hemlock
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How do you get the poisoned the water hole achivment?

crimson folio
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Use life crystal of madness on chomper

livid hemlock
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The telefragging is teleport kill the guardian, but the other one is a mystery

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Ohhhhhhhh

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I hate when shit is so obvious I can't realize it

eternal carbon
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yeah it got me for about 15 minutes my first time too haha

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then i looked at the achievement icon

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and it became really obvious

crimson folio
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Lol

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Wait is the patch out yet?

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Huh what

elder haven
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looks like, yea

crimson folio
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K

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This really whips my nae nae

rapid island
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I'm just waiting for the platform list on steam to be updated

livid hemlock
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My jimmies are rustled

mild ginkgo
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its fully available now

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do you mean just the steam store corner or something?

graceful wing
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restart steam if the library is giving you issues

rapid island
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Store page shows Windows only on my browser

graceful wing
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that won't change for a while

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the game will support other platforms just fine though

mild ermine
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hi all! Can I make my own maps for dusk at this moment?

graceful wing
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modding support is coming sometime in Q2 2019 most likely

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so not quite yet unfortunately

mild ermine
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Ok, thanks

mild ginkgo
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@rapid island we're updating that now

crimson folio
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Did I just lost my options settings?

mild ginkgo
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possibly yes