#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk | New Blood | Page 292

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 10:07 AM

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no I mean what's the toolkit

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doesn't look like anything I know

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:07 AM

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Needs more color theory and action lines Zom Zom

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:07 AM

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WPF

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 10:07 AM

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it's for the pre pre alpha builds

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 10:07 AM

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shit, means it won't work on Linux then

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:07 AM

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It wasn't intended to at the time, it was just a prototype for testing

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 10:07 AM

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fair enough

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:07 AM

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there was a quick crossplatform port I did a while ago that used Avalonia instead

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but it's lost to time

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:07 AM

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here, we can show off a test level

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graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 10:08 AM

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EXCITING

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:08 AM

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but yeah that thing is old as fuck, Dawn no longer has a launcher or anything

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in the past Dawn was something you patched into the game, which is what the launcher served as

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:08 AM

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the launcher was mostly notable for launch resolution options

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:08 AM

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clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 10:08 AM

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eh, I mean, launchers aren't bad tho

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 10:08 AM

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it also enabled one of the cut weapons from what i remember

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 10:09 AM

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easier to code than an actual option menu

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 10:09 AM

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it's been a damn long time since that launcher was relevant

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:09 AM

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or even mentioned

fast wigeon Sep 15, 2018, 10:09 AM

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btw i still have no clue what this does

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:09 AM

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yeah its been ages

fast wigeon Sep 15, 2018, 10:09 AM

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graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 10:09 AM

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this is like 2016 stuff

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:09 AM

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thats duskmare i think

fast wigeon Sep 15, 2018, 10:09 AM

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oh

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:09 AM

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oh no actually

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its intruder mode

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:09 AM

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I forget if this version of dawn even had a console

fast wigeon Sep 15, 2018, 10:10 AM

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ohhh that makes sense

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 10:10 AM

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don't think it did

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:10 AM

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it did not

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:10 AM

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let's go

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I forget what it actually does

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:10 AM

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yeah the console was after you had figured the whole ggm patch thing

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:11 AM

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patching ggm was moreso to disable the Unity startup dialog

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:11 AM

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yeah, i just remember it occuring after that

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around the same time as

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:11 AM

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yeah it was definitely later

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:11 AM

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the ummmm

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ogre demo

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:12 AM

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I did quite a lot considering I didn't even have source access at the time

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:12 AM

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Ogre demo?

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:12 AM

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ah, I see what this build does

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it lets you disable the HUD with the h key

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I remember now

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someone asked for that

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so I added it quickly

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:13 AM

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interestingly my ogredem folder is empty

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wtf

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what did i do with that

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 10:13 AM

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ogre ? like the engine ?

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:13 AM

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@opal plover When I added Quake 3 model support I demoed it with the Quake Ogre

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:13 AM

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Oh

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:13 AM

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i remember i added a console command to switch between interpolated and non interpolated animations

fast wigeon Sep 15, 2018, 10:13 AM

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is that like where the frames are smoothed

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:13 AM

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yes

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:13 AM

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   ███     █████ ███     ███   ██           ███  ███       
   ███        ██ ███      ███   ██████      ██  ██         
   ██        ███ ███      ███      ██████   █████████      
   ██       ███  ████     ███ █        ████ ██     ███     
    █      ██     ███    ███  ██       ███  ██      ██     
    █    ██        ████████    ███  ████     █       █     
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██████                                       █       █   ```

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throwback

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:14 AM

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yep

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thats a good one

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:14 AM

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What's that from?

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:14 AM

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the duskworld GDD

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believe it or not

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lol

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 10:14 AM

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oof

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:14 AM

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Like the dos style loading?

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:14 AM

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yeah i mean its made to be compliant with that

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zombie has some experience with that

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 10:14 AM

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actually that'd be dope to have back, ngl

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:14 AM

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😏 😏 😏

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:14 AM

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This totally needs to be added back in

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I'd even want it in SP

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 10:15 AM

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perhaps make a border with #s too ?

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:15 AM

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https://my.mixtape.moe/qjliit.mp4

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opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:15 AM

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Anyway seems like you are adding it back 500

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 10:15 AM

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double border for maximum 90ness

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:15 AM

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oh rip the video is dead

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:15 AM

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Yup like doom

fast wigeon Sep 15, 2018, 10:15 AM

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remake the entire game with ascii graphics

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:15 AM

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there's still this though

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316680409532334080/317588725259304960/2017-05-26_19-03-42.gif

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:15 AM

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i KNOW i have the build around

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and the project

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:15 AM

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I have a link to it

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if you need it

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:16 AM

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but idk where the fuck i put it

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 10:16 AM

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no seriously tho, the ASCII logo is brutal

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:16 AM

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because i modified it

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 10:16 AM

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oof yea i think i got rid of that build at some point

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rip

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:16 AM

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graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 10:16 AM

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yea you got it

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:17 AM

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graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 10:17 AM

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aww

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:17 AM

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😏

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graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 10:18 AM

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man it's been a long time...

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mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:18 AM

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i just cannot for the life of me find where i put the project source

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:18 AM

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I don't think I ever gave you the source

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:18 AM

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yeah you did

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:18 AM

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hmm

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:18 AM

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because i fucked with the animation script

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i remember doing that explicitly

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:19 AM

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I mean it's probably on my HDD somewhere

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:19 AM

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its not important in any way at all

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because its totally obsolete

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:19 AM

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found it in our DMs

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:19 AM

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lmao

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:19 AM

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search for

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take a look if you want to play around
note that like, 90% of stuff is missing here
so it's just the ogre demo
but with the new API```

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 10:20 AM

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I sort of feel like I'm watching a romcom scene between two characters that are a cross between actual game developers and NSA experts who give zero fucks about security protocols

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:20 AM

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Anyway you're totaly the dusk logo in the duskworld startup right?

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:21 AM

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I mean it's just a shitty quick and dirty ASCII-ification I did of the logo

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 10:21 AM

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and it's awesome

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:21 AM

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It is

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 10:21 AM

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so, y'know

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:21 AM

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Can we see one with the duskworld logo too?

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:21 AM

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security? pfff

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more like big cowards

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:21 AM

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I mean I wouldn't rule out getting it added but it's not really up to me lmao

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 10:21 AM

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ain't got any

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:22 AM

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we didnt ever make the globe

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the document literally had the dusk ascii with plain world typed next to it

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:22 AM

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never did the DW logo

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:22 AM

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ill see if i can find it

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but i doubt ill find it

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 10:23 AM

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the DW logo was christian's work from what i remember

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:23 AM

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yeah

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I think it was

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:26 AM

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ah i found the gdd but it was actually the planning document/presentation that had it

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the document was fully titled Duskworld: A Series of Questions

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:27 AM

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I'd love that ASCII art at least in the game's readme

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Preferably with a tiny paragraph of backstory

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:27 AM

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i would if i could find it

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its probably in my dms somewhere with someone

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:27 AM

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But it's right here?

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:28 AM

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he means the dw one

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:28 AM

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Oh yeah I meant for the singleplayer

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:28 AM

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yeah which was the original use of it

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holy shit

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now THATS a throwback

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:35 AM

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hahahahaha fuck

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:36 AM

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What are those tentacles though?

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:36 AM

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beats me

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unmutual made them

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this was before there was any sort of solidified anything for mapping

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so i build a set of tools for it

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so people could map without having any dusk assets

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and that actually did work

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 10:38 AM

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*** P E N I S ***

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what in the goddamn david?

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:39 AM

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*Unmutual

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:39 AM

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ayyy thats the first first version

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there we go

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:40 AM

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Was there like any backstory in it?

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:40 AM

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there we goo

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opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:42 AM

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A readme is not a real readme if it has a single paragraph of barely accurate backstory

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:43 AM

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well these werent readmes

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 10:43 AM

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A series of question?

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where have I heard that before 🤔

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:43 AM

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it was a series of questions because it was basically a planning/design pitch

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that was like 200 questions laying out the plan for dw

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    -will there be a standard playermodel? duskdude? just a random "grunt"?```

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:45 AM

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What are some interesting questions?

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:45 AM

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im looking around for them

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    -How many/what maps at launch?
    -Map format?
        -Baked into duskworld only, this means we would have to manually add all new maps to the build, and approve any/all custom maps?
            -potential for unity formats here(assetbundles/prefabs)
        -Custom format?
        -BSP is available, and has a wide array of tools for working with it
    -Custom maps/mapping
        -allowing custom maps?
        -do you want to release/develop mapping tools for it? Unity based?
        -workshop integration?
        -Releasing an asset pack to modders?```

fast wigeon Sep 15, 2018, 10:45 AM

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i hope duskdude does get a model after ep3

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:46 AM

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-Duskworld specific gamemodes!!!!!

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cant show what comes after that though

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ok maybe one

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-soapmatch?

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:47 AM

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Just another one?

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One you're sure won't make it in the final game?

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:47 AM

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i think all of them here are ones we want

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a lot of it is standard stuff

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instagib, ctf, tdm, stuff we've confirmed essentially at this point

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but theres one or two we'd like to keep a surprise

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lmao some of these questions

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-rotating player etc for flips? does this matter?

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id definitely love to include the goofy shit like this in whatever we release at some point

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 10:49 AM

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man i remember the arguments we had over these during team meetings

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:49 AM

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yep

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thats what this document was created to clear up

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basically we needed solid direction so i just made this

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:50 AM

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Goofy shit like what?

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 10:51 AM

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the whole document

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:51 AM

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lmao

atomic egret Sep 15, 2018, 10:51 AM

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yeesh

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:52 AM

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it doesn't convert well

atomic egret Sep 15, 2018, 10:52 AM

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nope

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 10:52 AM

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9) No spamming. This includes:

Excessive emoji use.
Excessive pinging of roles or a specific person.
Use of userbots/selfbots
Key begging
ASCII art
Copypasta
Posting "Loss" memes

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angrytodd

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 10:52 AM

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🔫

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the Ogre demo

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it just plays all of the Ogre's animations on loop (smoothed, of course)

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also lol it has a prototype of the console, it's visual-only, as in you can't actually type anything

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clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:09 AM

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not gonna judge, I can't even program a console myself

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 11:09 AM

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you may also note it's rendering at 320x200

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that's not a filter or anything

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the game is rendered to a 320x200 texture and drawn onto the screen

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so the UI stuff can still draw at 720p

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:11 AM

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clever hack

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(and no I don't say this because I did the exact same shit in my game)

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 11:12 AM

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hahahahaha

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it's a pretty standard way of doing it

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 11:12 AM

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isn't that how doom and GZdoom do it aswell? 🤔

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 11:12 AM

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Probably

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:13 AM

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btw is the console something provided by Unity, or was it coded from scratch ?

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:14 AM

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scratch

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 11:14 AM

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the latter

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:14 AM

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damn

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:14 AM

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unity ain't got no console unless it's in engine

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 11:14 AM

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there's not even one in-engine

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not one you can input shit into, anyway

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:14 AM

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yea it's more of a debug log

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:15 AM

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I tried making one, once upon a time

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to say it did not end well would be an understatement

crimson folio Sep 15, 2018, 11:15 AM

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Are all the animations in Dusk original?

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 11:15 AM

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Yeah

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:15 AM

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yes

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i don't think the game has any 3rd party assets

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 11:16 AM

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man i miss these

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cute isometric dusk

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 11:16 AM

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third party assets in Dusk are limited to code, and those are pretty much all phased out in the SDK

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eg, the pixel filter is third party code in the current build of Dusk on Steam

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:16 AM

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yup i meant art wise

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it's all david's work afaik

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:17 AM

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how many hours of Blender

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 11:17 AM

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and i guess you can count steamworks as third party code

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:17 AM

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enough

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 11:17 AM

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but eh

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:18 AM

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steamworks is pretty much expected from most steam games

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can't have stuff like achievements without it

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 11:18 AM

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pretty much yeah

crimson folio Sep 15, 2018, 11:18 AM

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Of course that’s a requirement

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 11:18 AM

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Let's see, these are the third party bits of code in the SDK so far:
SharpFont/FreeType2
MiscUtil
SevenZipSharp (for 7z file mods)
SharpZipLib (for zip file mods)

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MiscUtil is only really used for reading binary data, since it has some endianness-related stuff not present in the .NET framework, so it could probably be replaced with something homemade

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SharpZipLib might be able to go too, since the .NET framework has its own zip file stuff now, need to check if that's part of .NET Standard 2.0 currently first

crimson folio Sep 15, 2018, 11:21 AM

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Yeah that’s good I was wondering if the game used stuff from the assets store as a base?

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:21 AM

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nope

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 11:21 AM

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Nah

crimson folio Sep 15, 2018, 11:21 AM

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Yay original game

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:21 AM

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almost all original, almost completely made by one dude

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:21 AM

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to be fair dealing with 7z programmatically in general is a PITA

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 11:22 AM

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Yeah

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While the SDK supports 7z I wouldn't recommend using it

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:22 AM

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honestly it's a good compression algorithm

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but holy hell is it not a simple one

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 11:22 AM

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Yeah, it's just not good for runtime stuff

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:23 AM

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7z is great for just traditionally working with files

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but the moment you need to load them inside another program is when shit hits the fan

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:23 AM

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I mean at this point, either go for zips, or make your own binary blob

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both of them are a better option than 7z at runtime

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 11:24 AM

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Dusk supports .pkz (.zip), .pk7 (.7z) and raw folders

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Technically .wad too but it's a bit of an oddball

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:24 AM

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general zips are what 90% of people use anyways

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:24 AM

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what about .tar.xz

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 11:24 AM

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lmao

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:25 AM

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I've had someone once in class

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:25 AM

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lul

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:25 AM

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absolute cretin as it stands

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told him to send me his code as an archive

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motherfucker gives me a .cpio

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 11:25 AM

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not using uharc like a true windows xp-using hacker

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:26 AM

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not everyone was a hacker in the xp era

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I know I wasn't

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:27 AM

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being a hacker is easy

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you use incognito mode

spare cobalt Sep 15, 2018, 11:27 AM

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just google hackertyper and you're set

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:27 AM

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yup

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put it up on as many monitors as you can

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:27 AM

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I have ncmatrix installed on my LSW

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does that count

spare cobalt Sep 15, 2018, 11:27 AM

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and as on many windows as possible

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:27 AM

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the more monitors you got the better hacker you are

spare cobalt Sep 15, 2018, 11:28 AM

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get a three monitor setup at least and have 4 hackertyper windows open on each

crimson folio Sep 15, 2018, 11:28 AM

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If you type in green text than you truly are HACK!

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:29 AM

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I'm in

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:29 AM

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crimson folio Sep 15, 2018, 11:29 AM

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Extreme HACK

spare cobalt Sep 15, 2018, 11:29 AM

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high quality HACK

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:30 AM

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we live in a society

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:30 AM

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a society where if you use the terminal, you are a hacker

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:30 AM

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hackers rise up

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:30 AM

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I remember, like 12 years ago

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I was off in town, for like groceries and shit

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my mom calls me, super panicked, goes "Your computer has a virus"

spare cobalt Sep 15, 2018, 11:31 AM

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lol circumventing windows login was some HC HAX back in the day

crimson folio Sep 15, 2018, 11:31 AM

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Did it have virus

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:31 AM

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come home, there's the terminal window (on Linux ATM) exactly like I left it

spare cobalt Sep 15, 2018, 11:31 AM

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hahaha

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:31 AM

#

and I was like why tf did she even touch my computer in the first place

spare cobalt Sep 15, 2018, 11:31 AM

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to check if you were hiding porn ofc

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:31 AM

#

bitch can't operate the damn microwave without the manual

spare cobalt Sep 15, 2018, 11:32 AM

#

open cmd and type in ipconfig

#

now you are a hacker

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:32 AM

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nah you run tree

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:33 AM

#

back in the day I was the neighborhood hacker because I knew the magic of ipconfig /flushdns

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:33 AM

#

with console text color sety to green

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:34 AM

#

wanna make CS students mad

#

wait for them to step away from the comp, pray they forget to lock it

#

open console

#

change font color to background color

spare cobalt Sep 15, 2018, 11:35 AM

#

hahaha

#

reminds me of one of the oldest gags you did to someone in computer class. take a screenshot of their desktop, hide all shortcuts somewhere and hide the taskbar, set screenshot as background

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:35 AM

#

we did worse once

spare cobalt Sep 15, 2018, 11:35 AM

#

that was the entry level stuff

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:36 AM

#

I got the advanced level

#

once upon a time I was a physics student (btw: quantum mechanics fucking suck)

#

I was hanging around in the cafeteria because my apartment was having some work done (long story)

#

we had a habit of playing some stupid pranks on each other

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:37 AM

#

nah you just put a simple batch file in the startup folder that shuts the pc straight back down

spare cobalt Sep 15, 2018, 11:37 AM

#

all we knew back in the eight grade was HTML and that was very barebones too

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:37 AM

#

a senior who was with us left his computer alone to go pass an oral exam

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:37 AM

#

can't tell you how many times i came across peeps doing that

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:37 AM

#

when he came back, his Windows 7 was gone

#

he had Ubuntu installed instead

#

in Russian

spare cobalt Sep 15, 2018, 11:38 AM

#

I'm on/off in college doing some basic IT things and we just respect each other enough to not run those gags 'cause they really just interfere with the work everyone is doing :P

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:38 AM

#

now that's a bit shitty since it did actual damage

#

pranks are fine as long as they're harmless

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 11:38 AM

#

the kicker is, he kept using it

#

he went to take some Russian classes, just to know enough to at least set the system back in French

spare cobalt Sep 15, 2018, 11:39 AM

#

that's some deviotion right there

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 11:53 AM

#

back in high school I replaced the Windows accessibility .exe with cmd.exe

#

meaning you could click the accessibility icon at the login screen and get a command prompt with system-level privileges

#

you could change passwords, delete any files, turn off any monitoring software the school had installed, etc

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 11:54 AM

#

lol

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 11:54 AM

#

then I stepped it up a notch, wrote a small program that would just launch the regular accessibility program

#

unless you held down a certain key combo

#

in which case you'd get cmd

#

(you can try it on your own computer right now even, it's interesting)

#

(if you open explorer.exe on the login screen, you get the SYSTEM account's desktop)

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 11:59 AM

#

Wow nice Dusk talk peeps

mild ginkgo Sep 15, 2018, 11:59 AM

#

wow nice backseat modding 😏

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 11:59 AM

#

Time to improve the texture atlas generation in the font loader

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 11:59 AM

#

Never ordered or even asked for anything 😏

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:00 PM

#

because right now it sucks

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 12:00 PM

#

Yeah that sounds like a nice plan

atomic egret Sep 15, 2018, 12:00 PM

#

I remember when y'all always had a go at me for backseat modding

#

like wow sorry for doing your job for you smh

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:01 PM

#

doing someone's job for them is one thing

#

but another is being shit at it 😏

atomic egret Sep 15, 2018, 12:01 PM

#

technically doing it better than them

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:01 PM

#

he took the bait

atomic egret Sep 15, 2018, 12:01 PM

#

fuck

#

🐟

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:02 PM

#

if jab baits you, have you been jabaited?

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:06 PM

#

why do I smell EP3?

#

it is close

#

Your Episode 3, give them to me.

#

👃

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 12:07 PM

#

The rising winds bring the smell of Ep3

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:07 PM

#

I'm waiting for the-- there it is

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:07 PM

#

give episode 3?

#

what's the password?

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:08 PM

#

here's episode 3:

#

💩

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 12:08 PM

#

Not a surprise tbh

#

Like Xen the last part of the game that's in another dimension is crap

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:08 PM

#

what if the 2nd half of EP3 is super trash.

#

that's why they don't wanna show it!

atomic egret Sep 15, 2018, 12:08 PM

#

🍾

#

episode 3

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:08 PM

#

don't worry the first half is trash too

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:08 PM

#

did you just--

#

funny meme gilb

atomic egret Sep 15, 2018, 12:09 PM

#

smug

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:10 PM

#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmb9cnx__hA

YouTube

mrmunkee

Patrick Star - I Don't Get It

I don't get it

▶ Play video

atomic egret Sep 15, 2018, 12:10 PM

#

high-tier

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:10 PM

#

I wouldn't expect you to get it

#

or like

#

99% of people here

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:11 PM

#

actually wrong

#

I'm a raging brainlet pretending to be smart.

#

😎

atomic egret Sep 15, 2018, 12:12 PM

#

I would say you need big dick energy to get it but that would be a lie since hank would get it

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:12 PM

#

bone dick energy

atomic egret Sep 15, 2018, 12:12 PM

#

boner

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 12:14 PM

#

Guys

#

What if in coop the crystal of madness made you shoot your friends

atomic egret Sep 15, 2018, 12:14 PM

#

I wanna hear your best guess conspiracy theory on this one manniacc

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:14 PM

#

that wouldn't work

#

also sounds like a giant pointless gimmick even if it did somehow work

#

or your Todd Howard in disguise

#

and it "just werks"

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 12:15 PM

#

I mean I wouldn't put it past David to put a huge pointless gimmick in his game

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:16 PM

#

speculate on this

#

📎 unknown.png

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:16 PM

#

this is the French translation for the game

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:17 PM

#

that's just the Dark Claw or whatever it's called

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:17 PM

#

that's g_allowDarkClaw

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:17 PM

#

🤔

#

how does g_allowDarkClaw work exactly

#

bug thunk

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:17 PM

#

you turn it on and you can use the dark claw

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:17 PM

#

what with nbkfa?

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:17 PM

#

that's one method

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 12:18 PM

#

Instead of the crossbow I guess?

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:18 PM

#

does it replace a weapon ?

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:18 PM

#

nah

#

considering adding disabled spawns to maps for it that get enabled when g_allowDarkClaw is on

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 12:18 PM

#

Does manniacc mode make the crystal of madness/stained glass windows shards the correct color?

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:19 PM

#

nein

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 12:20 PM

#

It's a joke about something I complained about in the game right?

#

Does it make boss fights good?

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:20 PM

#

no. they still suck

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:20 PM

#

y'know it might actually be a complete bogus cvar that does nothing

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:20 PM

#

bingo

#

i think

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 12:20 PM

#

I mean yeah but then what the joke?

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:20 PM

#

pretty sure there's nothing tied to it

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 12:20 PM

#

Is Zom Zom baiting me?🤔

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:21 PM

#

I'm tempted to make it replace E1MS with E1MS_OLD and replace the crossbow with the claw

#

and add the ascii dusk logo

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:21 PM

#

if you want it that desperately to do something, why not let it replace the scythe model with white flags

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 12:21 PM

#

Yes

#

Why white flags?

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:21 PM

#

french

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:21 PM

#

you're French

#

(so am I, for that matter, but that's besides my point)

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:22 PM

#

what would g_xlightningstormmode do? change the brightness of all levels to minimum and add reloading (that's an RN reference :V)

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:23 PM

#

fun fact

📎 unknown.png

#

this used to actually do something

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:23 PM

#

what? enable hdusk

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:23 PM

#

back when the game had C# scripting, it would disable sandboxing and allow usage of all .NET APIs

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:24 PM

#

dude wat

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:24 PM

#

no protection

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:24 PM

#

it would let you do unsafe things

#

yes

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:24 PM

#

~~also .NET is an std in general anyway~~

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:24 PM

#

hahahahaha

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:24 PM

#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhu3NTOHz-M

YouTube

GTPBronies

Fry - Oh now I get it

▶ Play video

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:25 PM

#

microsoft is an std

#

and we all carry it

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:25 PM

#

better than Apple

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:25 PM

#

^

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:26 PM

#

Linux is kinda better cus it's free and customisable

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:26 PM

#

"Hey let's remove GCC for no real reason other than to be gigantic douchebags"

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:26 PM

#

better than MS

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:26 PM

#

Linux is better if and when it works

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:26 PM

#

linux is fantastic for doing server stuff

#

but using it as a daily driver - heeellll no

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:27 PM

#

my favorite cvar

#

📎 unknown.png

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:27 PM

#

@graceful wing been using Linux as a daily driver for five years

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:27 PM

#

Recoillyboi?

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:27 PM

#

it ain't so bad

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 12:27 PM

#

Make it have the shitton of smoke too Zom Zom

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:28 PM

#

it restores the old AR fire rate

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:28 PM

#

where's the r_weaponsmoke cvar?

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:28 PM

#

up ur butt

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:28 PM

#

funny 1

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 12:28 PM

#

Also can you make "g_enableE1M7toiletskull"

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:28 PM

#

lol

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:28 PM

#

Also what's the difference between the old, and new AR fire rate?

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:28 PM

#

the old one was "janky", random

#

wasn't a constant fire rate

#

made the weapon feel old

#

which I really liked

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:29 PM

#

so kinda like the chaingun from doom? kinda

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:29 PM

#

nah

#

the doom chaingun has a constant fire rate

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 12:29 PM

#

Yeah felt like a piece of shit you'd find under a hay bale

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:29 PM

#

may I see it?

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:29 PM

#

look at old gameplay

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 12:29 PM

#

It's in the pre pre pre alpha

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:29 PM

#

of like, the pre pre pre alpha

atomic egret Sep 15, 2018, 12:30 PM

#

play the pre alpha in the goodies folder

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 12:30 PM

#

It depends if it's in the gameplay demos of the goodies folder demos

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 12:30 PM

#

You can have cvar be on by default right?

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:30 PM

#

of course

#

most g_ cvars get saved

#

so if you change it, it won't change back on its own

mild chasm Sep 15, 2018, 12:31 PM

#

What about gvars

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:31 PM

#

they destroy the universe

mild chasm Sep 15, 2018, 12:31 PM

#

Nice

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:32 PM

#

they get written to an ini file or something ?

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:32 PM

#

a cfg file

#

a la quake/half-life

#

which is basically just a file containing console commands

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 12:32 PM

#

Alongside the dismemberment mod I'll definitely play with it on

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:32 PM

#

dusk.ini is essentially scrapped in the sdk

#

although I'm considering bringing it back

#

and relegating .cfg files to autoexec purposes only

#

similar to zdoom

#

dunno yet

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:33 PM

#

ini files in general are seen as obsolete, but still a necessary evil for cross platform shit

#

though I have to write my own parser for them

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:33 PM

#

ini files are hardly crossplatform

#

they're not even standardized

#

toml is the way to go

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:33 PM

#

inis are the wild west

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:33 PM

#

(ini is only crossplatform if you write your own parser)

#

(but a lot of software just uses built in Windows APIs to parse them)

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:34 PM

#

cause Windows can

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:34 PM

#

for reference

#

https://github.com/toml-lang/toml

GitHub

toml-lang/toml

Tom's Obvious, Minimal Language. Contribute to toml-lang/toml development by creating an account on GitHub.

#

TOML

#

it's basically ini, but better

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:34 PM

#

even then, ini files are usually deprecated on Windows

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:34 PM

#

eh inis do the job well enough

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:35 PM

#

mh

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:35 PM

#

what inis have going for them is the fact that people can easily edit them regardless of technical skill

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 12:35 PM

#

Yeah

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:35 PM

#

still a boon in some cases

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:36 PM

#

it's kinda funny, right around the time I was considering using TOML for dusk configs

#

I saw a discussion on the 3DGE source port's github where they were considering using it too

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:36 PM

#

as a dev you generally want to be as casual user friendly as possible. inis fulfill that goal even though they make you jump through a few more hoops

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 12:36 PM

#

^

#

It just werks

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:37 PM

#

hell, if you wanna go the extra mile, whip up a quick menu using JavaFX to edit the ini in your stead

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:37 PM

#

I'd leave that to fan tools tbh

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:37 PM

#

people have gotten used to ini over the decades they've been used

#

going for an alt solution with a game especially is going to cause some serious confusion

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:37 PM

#

besides there's some shit that still uses ini files for important stuff, like PHP

#

(no matter how bad a rap PHP gets)

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:38 PM

#

PHP 🤢

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:38 PM

#

I prefer PHP to learning 35 JS frameworks

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:38 PM

#

almost everything about PHP horrifies me

#

yeah that's definitely fair

#

JS is absolute terror

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:38 PM

#

php is BS

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:38 PM

#

it's... not quite that

#

base JS is okay

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:38 PM

#

nah the language itself is chock full of design flaws

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:39 PM

#

ye js CAN be a nightmare but that varies

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:39 PM

#

the compiler inserts semicolons automatically

#

meaning

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:39 PM

#

frameworks are layers upon layers of complicated obfuscation and blackboxing

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:39 PM

#

return {
}```

and

return
{
}```

#

are not equivalent

#

the latter example returns nothing

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:39 PM

#

it's a little dumb but can be worked around

vale oar Sep 15, 2018, 12:39 PM

#

250+ messages, good job guys 👍

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:39 PM

#

it reminds me of how Go forces you to use K&R brace style

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:40 PM

#

and most rich text editors will warn about potentially unwanted line breaks too

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:40 PM

#

one thing that makes me hate the shit out of JS is that my first web development class, creatively titled "Introduction to JavaScript" had exactly no JavaScript in it

#

the entire class was jQuery

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:40 PM

#

I still find it hilarious that JavaScript "strict" mode came about from a compiler bug

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:40 PM

#

the first time I saw "true" JS, I had no idea wtf it was

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:40 PM

#

if a JS file started with a string, despite being invalid code, the compiler would ignore that string

#

so they used that to enable a "strict" mode in later versions

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:42 PM

#

PHP on the other hand is constantly a bitch

#

but at least it has the decency of telling you how exactly

#

(most of the time)

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:42 PM

#

sometimes in hebrew

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:42 PM

#

also it's server side, which is a good thing for shit like authentication

#

I had a class assignment once where one of my classmates wrote his authentication module using React

#

entirely client side

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:43 PM

#

oof

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:43 PM

#

php is full of security vulnerabilities

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:43 PM

#

I just avoid webshit in general

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:43 PM

#

sadly not an option for me

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:44 PM

#

well php's still a pretty mandatory part in most web based projects

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:44 PM

#

also that

#

you do authentication, you need PHP (not strictly so, but it's less a pain than Node for that specific purpose)

#

you do anything on SQL-based dbs, you do that in PHP

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:45 PM

#

you need php for pretty much anything you don't want the end user to have access to

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:45 PM

#

you want your webapp to not break if people have NoScript, you use PHP

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:45 PM

#

but yh handling login and privacy functions is most common

#

yup

#

php doesn't expose any of it's code so it's perfect for the purpose

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:46 PM

#

ASP.Net is pretty cool in that regard

#

It serves the same purpose as PHP, but you write stuff in C# + a variant of HTML instead

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:46 PM

#

oof, I have severe issues with it

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:46 PM

#

It definitely has issues

#

but less than PHP imo

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:46 PM

#

no, I mean, on a personal level

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:46 PM

#

I wouldn't want to use either, but given the choice I know what I'd pick

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:46 PM

#

asp's not deployed in too many places afaik

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:46 PM

#

my ASP.NET teacher is a MS slave, and she didn't want us to use ASP.NET Core

#

so since Linux is my work OS

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:46 PM

#

lol

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:46 PM

#

I went the fuck home

#

because hell fucking no

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:47 PM

#

Did she have the classic "newer software is more dangerous!" syndrome?

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:47 PM

#

no, she's just essentially a glorified MS rep

#

that somehow uses a MacBook Pro

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:47 PM

#

lol

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:47 PM

#

but she's like a complete shill

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:47 PM

#

weird that she wouldn't shill ASP.NET Core then

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:48 PM

#

ikr

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:48 PM

#

oh my university was MS sponsored

#

so you can imagine what that meant

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:48 PM

#

yeah

#

tbh so's mine

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:48 PM

#

they pushed MS stuff HARD

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:48 PM

#

but it rarely comes into play

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:48 PM

#

what bothers me

#

even non-MS sponsored shit shills MS stuff hard

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:48 PM

#

like it was honestly good for the most part

#

free access to pretty much any microsoft software with no limits

#

but sometimes seeing advertisements on campus grounds got a bit annoying

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:49 PM

#

also, anything related to Windows Server is guaranteed to be several bags of assballs

#

I once config'd the wrong VM for a role

#

my teacher was like "GJ, you can start over your entire cluster"

#

not just, replace the VM or anything

#

fuck your cluster

#

entirely

#

(to be fair, using OpenLDAP also has that issue)

#

also our Windows Server teacher is insane, this year's assignement he wanted like 6 VMs

#

5 servers, 1 Win10 client

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:52 PM

#

god, fuck Windows Server

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:52 PM

#

I shot him a mail saying that I don't have a core i9, 32 gigs of RAM, or the storage space for six fucking virtual machines

#

and he just went "Too bad, you'll fail"

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:53 PM

#

win server has some neat features mostly for organizations

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:53 PM

#

yeah so, props to it, AD is a godsend

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:53 PM

#

yeah but it's ass in every other regard

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:53 PM

#

but for my own projects i'd go linux every time

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:53 PM

#

see

#

I teach Linux 101 and 201

#

when someone asked me what OpenLDAP is, I straight up told him "It's Active Directory, but it doesn't work"

#

and that is why Windows Server is still around

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:53 PM

#

oof

#

sad but tru

#

active directory just works

#

it's honestly pretty magical

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:54 PM

#

it's a shame that literally nothing else on Windows Server works anywhere near as well

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:55 PM

#

mhm

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:56 PM

#

also in general, Windows VMs suck

#

I'm not too sure how or why, but Linux VMs run hella better

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:56 PM

#

Linux in general runs better than Windows

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:56 PM

#

yeah but you'd think at some point it stops scaling up

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:56 PM

#

linux servers are infinitely more stable yeah

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:57 PM

#

A friend of mine recently started using a Linux VM on Windows

#

and compiling code inside that VM was faster than compiling in Windows itself

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:57 PM

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and the reason why they run so fast is that they have anything unnecessary stripped out of the os

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windows always comes bundled with tons of services and shit you probably don't need

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 12:57 PM

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also fucking christ dependency management on Windows is total ass

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:57 PM

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sometimes that leads to strange decisions however

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ever heard of PAM ?

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 12:58 PM

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oof

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 12:58 PM

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pretty much

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my last/currently being worked on app, at some point, requires the user to authenticate

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as in, to prove you didn't just pcjack the computer from someone or stuff

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(it's a password manager)

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on Windows that's about four lines of code

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on Linux... I still have no idea how the fuck to do that

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apparently I'm supposed to instanciate an (undocumented) struct, taking as attribute an (UNDOCUMENTED) function pointer, allowing me to pass a cstring as a username and another cstring as a password

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 1:00 PM

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🤔

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 1:00 PM

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because if I don't do that, PAM will ask for the password through stdin

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which I can't access since my program is GUI-based

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 1:00 PM

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Why not take the input from the user in your GUI, then send that to stdin through your program?

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 1:00 PM

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because I cannot

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PAM doesn't seem to accept input from stdin except in this particular case

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 1:01 PM

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wot

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that's weird

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 1:01 PM

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it doesn't make a lot of sense but there is, as far as I can tell, no function that just takes two strings and says if they are a valid pair of credentials on the host system in the PAM API

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you have to use this function pointer nonsense described above

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 1:02 PM

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the fact that it wants a cstring should be sounding alarms

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 1:02 PM

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and since neither element seem to have any iota of documentation, I'm blindly trying to make sense of the PAM source code

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 1:02 PM

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something like that should want a char array and a length

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 1:02 PM

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it's PAM, it's a Linux kernel module, it wanting a cstring is... fairly normal I'd say

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I'd be much more worried if it wanted a C++ string

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 1:03 PM

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c-strings are null-terminated, meaning if you send it a string that isn't null-terminated, you're going to have a bad time

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 1:03 PM

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that, honestly, is something I can take care of outside of PAM entirely

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the issue lies more in the fact that why the fuck is that not a function in the first place

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Microsoft did it, gdi

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 1:04 PM

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Yeah, it's weird

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 1:04 PM

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and the kicker is

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I know what I'm trying to do is possible

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because every goddamn login manager does it

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but they are layers upon layers of obfuscated code and i just don't want to read nothing except git pages for five days straight

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 1:05 PM

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try looking at the source code for chkusr

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 1:06 PM

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might need to download the source there

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but yeah, didn't think of that

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 1:07 PM

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I take it this is what you were referring to before: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10910193/how-to-authenticate-username-password-using-pam-w-o-root-privileges

Stack Overflow

How to authenticate username/password using PAM w/o root privileges

I have program written in C. It takes 2 arguments username/password and try to authenticate this user using PAM. It works fine when I'm root. When I'm 'normal' user, it works for this user, but not...

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 1:08 PM

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ye

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 1:08 PM

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that looks pretty standard

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 1:08 PM

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but as it turns out, none of what he does seem to have comprehensive documentation, especially the function that apparently defines the password

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 1:08 PM

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weird

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 1:09 PM

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like, I haven't found any doc related to pam_response

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https://linux.die.net/man/3/pam_conv this is literally the most comprehensive thing I've found on PAM

pam_conv(3): PAM conversation function - Linux man page

The PAM library uses an application-defined callback to allow a direct communication between a loaded module and the application.

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and calling it "documentation" is probably an insult to the concept of documentation

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but I'd have to keep testing shit, cause it's like, the second to last feature I want to add

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along with RSA encryption

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 1:12 PM

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man that stackoverflow code is odd

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lemme see if I can write a version

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no guarantees though because I ain't testing it and I don't have a linux vm handy right now (and I'm waiting on getting a new HDD before I reinstall Linux properly)

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 1:13 PM

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don't bother, I'll probably have to rewrite it myself anyway, otherwise it won't play nice with Qt

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 1:15 PM

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really weird that they didn't use appdata_ptr

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its purpose is clear from the man page

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 1:16 PM

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"clear" might be a stretch

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it's there, sure

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 1:16 PM

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When a module calls the referenced conv() function, the argument appdata_ptr is set to the second element of this structure.

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that's about as clear as it can get

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 1:17 PM

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I don't have the slightest idea what it does, or even is, to be honest

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 1:17 PM

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it's just a pointer to whatever data you wish to send to the function

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this is pam_conv:

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struct pam_conv {
    int (*conv)(int num_msg, const struct pam_message **msg,
                struct pam_response **resp, void *appdata_ptr);
    void *appdata_ptr;
};```

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when PAM calls the conv function, the appdata_ptr parameter is set to whatever you assigned to the field of the same name in the structure

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 1:20 PM

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not quite sure how I'd use that to be frank

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then again...

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gotta try something

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 1:23 PM

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you would use it to avoid needing that global reply variable

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 1:24 PM

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my boys, shouldn't this be in general?
I just want some bona fide DUSK talk

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not codebois

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 1:25 PM

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eh i've let them stay here since no one wants nerd code talk in general

atomic egret Sep 15, 2018, 1:26 PM

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this is true

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 1:31 PM

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lemme set up a quick VM to test the code I wrote

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if it works I'll comment it a bit and send it your way

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it's pretty simple

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 1:32 PM

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or you could just message him 🤷

prisma halo Sep 15, 2018, 1:32 PM

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that's what I meant by send it your way

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also fug u

crisp lion Sep 15, 2018, 1:32 PM

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fug u too yung santa

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that doesn't even make a lick of sense

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 1:38 PM

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we can move to #general-modding if you wish

mild chasm Sep 15, 2018, 1:41 PM

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Coders can eat pant

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We need the space to talk about HDusk

slate edge Sep 15, 2018, 2:26 PM

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doom is ok

rare musk Sep 15, 2018, 3:12 PM

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doom is old and busted

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buy Dusk™, it's new and fresh!

slate edge Sep 15, 2018, 3:19 PM

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Dusk is honestly a game im hyped about.

vale oar Sep 15, 2018, 4:11 PM

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Dusk is a real throw-back FPS

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not Throw-up FPS like all those proc-generated garbage

mild chasm Sep 15, 2018, 4:12 PM

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The modding potential is in my opinion the most exciting part

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Pretty much every game that came out after the 90s that had great modding capabilities ended up being a crap engine or just being a pain to work with in some way

vast tangle Sep 15, 2018, 4:17 PM

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I'd love to play some high quality fan made episodes, that's what I'm hyped about the mod possibility

mild chasm Sep 15, 2018, 4:17 PM

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Dusk is in the right spot here with the quake-like graphics

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makes it simple enough for newbies to come in and make bab's first dusk weapon mod or level or what have you but means that crap can get far more complex potentially

fast wigeon Sep 15, 2018, 4:19 PM

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i actually cant wait for people to make super hard maps

vale oar Sep 15, 2018, 4:19 PM

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Arcane Duskmensions

fast spire Sep 15, 2018, 4:20 PM

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Duskmensions is almost Dusk mentions

vale oar Sep 15, 2018, 4:20 PM

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ye

vast tangle Sep 15, 2018, 4:24 PM

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Or something like Death Wish for Blood

vale oar Sep 15, 2018, 5:07 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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HI THERE

slate edge Sep 15, 2018, 5:30 PM

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But what if the E3MS2 soundtrack is a Dubstep remix of farting underwater into a walkie talkie?

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BigThink

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 5:31 PM

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still beats Despacito

woeful plover Sep 15, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Jen you mean the DOOM 2016 soundtrack?

slate edge Sep 15, 2018, 7:03 PM

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I didnt think of that possibility...

vast tangle Sep 15, 2018, 7:22 PM

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Glad to see I wasn't the only one disappointed with Doom 2016 soundtrack

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 7:23 PM

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I thought it was good

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sadly it's true that it doesn't like shine and sparkle like people would want

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especially the theme of the Cyberdemon boss fight

crimson folio Sep 15, 2018, 7:24 PM

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wow i am so out of the loop

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is e3ms2 real or a meme

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i feel like a goof

vast tangle Sep 15, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Meme

crimson folio Sep 15, 2018, 7:25 PM

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understandable,

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it would be sweet to have extra secret levels tho

fast wigeon Sep 15, 2018, 7:26 PM

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it might be real

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i wouldnt dismiss it as a joke just yet

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mainly because no one has actually denied its existence

crimson folio Sep 15, 2018, 7:27 PM

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oshit

fast wigeon Sep 15, 2018, 7:27 PM

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if it is real tho i think it will be a joke level akin to the wolfenstein level from doom 2

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because apparantly its really hard to find

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 7:27 PM

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not real until given proof of realness

fast wigeon Sep 15, 2018, 7:28 PM

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not fake until given proof of fakeness

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 7:28 PM

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I prefer to apply the Bigfoot principle for one

vale oar Sep 15, 2018, 7:28 PM

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they're just in tune with each other

fast wigeon Sep 15, 2018, 7:28 PM

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we can confirm 100% if its real or not by lookin in game files anyway

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tho im gonna look for it ingame at first

vale oar Sep 15, 2018, 7:29 PM

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📎 unknown.png

fast wigeon Sep 15, 2018, 7:30 PM

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press it

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please

vale oar Sep 15, 2018, 7:30 PM

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just did

fast wigeon Sep 15, 2018, 7:30 PM

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finally

vale oar Sep 15, 2018, 7:30 PM

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nothin happened unfortunately

fast wigeon Sep 15, 2018, 7:30 PM

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aw

vale oar Sep 15, 2018, 7:30 PM

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shit is still in my steam lib

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:C

fair mirage Sep 15, 2018, 7:30 PM

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finally you've saved us all

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 7:31 PM

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we are saved from jab's 2hu memes

fair mirage Sep 15, 2018, 7:31 PM

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this is a little known fact but releasing dusk is david's way of summoning cthulhu and bring about the endtimes

vale oar Sep 15, 2018, 7:31 PM

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fock

fast wigeon Sep 15, 2018, 7:31 PM

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rad

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cant wait

clever wasp Sep 15, 2018, 7:31 PM

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bring it

fair mirage Sep 15, 2018, 7:32 PM

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some shit's gon' happen when that gets finished

vale oar Sep 15, 2018, 7:33 PM

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to prevent this, all Dusk owners must hit the Cancel button simultaneously

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 7:33 PM

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nah just delet game

vale oar Sep 15, 2018, 7:33 PM

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that won't do shit

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its code integrates itself into Windows

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and then we're fucked

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 7:34 PM

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go do et

📎 unknown.png

vale oar Sep 15, 2018, 7:34 PM

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YEAH PLS HIT THE FIRST BUTTON

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oh sorry

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that's a voice in my head

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 7:35 PM

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although i'm pretty sure if i did this the game would be instantly added back to my account again

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BUT IT WILL WORK FOR YOU

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DELET DUSK TODAY

vale oar Sep 15, 2018, 7:36 PM

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it won't delet, fug

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FU

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G

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WE'RE SCREWED

crimson folio Sep 15, 2018, 7:36 PM

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tfw u can't cancel dusk

vale oar Sep 15, 2018, 7:36 PM

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I can't EVEN DELET it

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let alone cancelling

delicate violet Sep 15, 2018, 10:45 PM

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Shit

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I tried delet

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But Dusk delet me instead

slate edge Sep 15, 2018, 10:47 PM

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F

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 10:58 PM

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@fast wigeon Actually they said that finding E3MS2 won't be the hard part but understanding it will be.

fast wigeon Sep 15, 2018, 10:58 PM

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na thats e3ms1

opal plover Sep 15, 2018, 11:25 PM

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No one said that it was E3M1 @fast wigeon

fast wigeon Sep 15, 2018, 11:32 PM

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jab said e3ms2 will be hard to find and i think 500 or someone else said "the secret level" will be hard to understand

graceful wing Sep 15, 2018, 11:34 PM

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which secret level is hard to understand?

slate edge Sep 15, 2018, 11:34 PM

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E3MS2 is rad.

crimson folio Sep 15, 2018, 11:46 PM

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just let me shoot cthulhu and ima be your right hand man

slate edge Sep 15, 2018, 11:48 PM

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your right hand comes off?

spare cobalt Sep 15, 2018, 11:59 PM

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lol

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best joke in RE4

crimson folio Sep 16, 2018, 12:05 AM

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well I am a leftie

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dont need a right

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 7:57 AM

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I wonder how much of E3M10 is done

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I assume crits are done

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 7:58 AM

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WRONG

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[dabs]

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 7:58 AM

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Did you ever say that before?

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 7:58 AM

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[dabs]?

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 7:58 AM

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I guess I'm experiencing deja vu

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:01 AM

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Even IF M10 is or was past crit, there's still the biggly QA, Grand Finale Pass, and EP1 + maybe EP2 crits

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:01 AM

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And cheevos

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:04 AM

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cheevos could probably be finished with two weeks

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:06 AM

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So would Ep1+2 pass tbh

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:07 AM

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EP1 Pass would be the larger of the two, but I guess it'll mostly just be balancing, bug squashing, lore and some quality adjustments.
Oh and maybe going back to David's OG idea of some weapons being exclusive for further episodes.

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:08 AM

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If anything they'd just add more Ep2+3 stuff in Ep1 and Ep3 stuff in Ep2

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I could see bone monks spawning in the the E2M9 chasm

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 8:09 AM

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naaa i dont think theyll do that

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they only added two scientists to the end of e1m10

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:09 AM

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Well by that I mean the only place where they could have an Ep3 enemy in Ep2

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 8:09 AM

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i would expect like a priestess guarding the portal at most

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:11 AM

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This would make the guardian being bad at his portal guarding job to make for a better boss fight even sillier

delicate sail Sep 16, 2018, 8:17 AM

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I could imagine David adding something second stage-y to the guardian fight, as some of the people streaming / doing an EA review were a bit surprised that the episode is done after the guardian

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Or even the guardian being the second stage

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:18 AM

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I mean at this point in terms of boss fights I don't really excpect much apart for the final boss

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:19 AM

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I actually thought there were two guardians due to the fact the one was teleporting :/

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:19 AM

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In terms of quality I meant

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:19 AM

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anyway, the Guardian is enough of a sponge, we don't need a second one.

delicate sail Sep 16, 2018, 8:19 AM

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Could just be a bunch of priestesses or the guardian splitting into two or something, nothing heavy on the content creation side

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:19 AM

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I could also see there being like a big ass gauntlet full of regular enemies before the portal room

delicate sail Sep 16, 2018, 8:20 AM

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Yeah

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:20 AM

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I guess they could go the Shambler route and make explosive weapons deal x0.5 damage (and lower health) with the Guardian

delicate sail Sep 16, 2018, 8:20 AM

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Something like that

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:20 AM

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That what I was excpecting and I was surprised by him spawning right away

delicate sail Sep 16, 2018, 8:21 AM

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Yeah. The portal activation seems a bit anticlimactic

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:21 AM

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What part of it?

delicate sail Sep 16, 2018, 8:22 AM

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Could just be a bunch of enemies jumping out of it after it's activated

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:22 AM

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Eh

clever wasp Sep 16, 2018, 8:22 AM

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to be fair it seems to be a one way portal

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:22 AM

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Yeah^

delicate sail Sep 16, 2018, 8:22 AM

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Yeah

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Just thinking aloud here really

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:23 AM

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I could see like some fork maidens in E2M10 too

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Like just to be inclusive in terms of cult members

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:23 AM

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Fork Maidens are the Necromanced dead wives of the cultists

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:23 AM

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Like if there was a place where all kinds of cultists would be it'd be in the gauntlet

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:24 AM

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why would they be in a military base?

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:24 AM

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They aren't?

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:24 AM

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the cultists seen in the bases are either scientists or soldiers who are part of the cult lol

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:24 AM

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And it's not like they wouldn't want to do a pilgrimage to the nameless city

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That seems to be the end goal of most of the cultists

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:25 AM

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well Zombies aren't sentient, and I'm talking about the traditional Haitian Zombies, which are just resurrected dead used for slavery.

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:26 AM

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I always thought of the fork maidens as cultists too

clever wasp Sep 16, 2018, 8:26 AM

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I thought they were literal voodoo dolls

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:26 AM

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well their design, and data name hints they're basically farmer wives

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dead ones

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:26 AM

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What hints at them being dead?

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:26 AM

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IIRC they're called undeadwives or somethimg

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their texture

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:27 AM

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Oh yeah that makes sense

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:27 AM

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it's clearly designed to represent decomposition

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hence sunken non-existent eyes, and a mix of skinny bone rather than flesh & bone

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also the fact they look like their wearing typical 1950s-60s women's night garments

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:28 AM

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Yeah for the longest time I dodn't notice the pearl necklace

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:29 AM

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which could more or less hint that DUSK is set in the 1980s-1990s

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:29 AM

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Yeah pretty sure it's in the 1990's

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Confirmed by like David I think?

clever wasp Sep 16, 2018, 8:29 AM

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it'd make sense

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:29 AM

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as well as the general later 20th century tech, 90s PCs being everywhere, and the US Soldiers wearing a BDU that was used by the IRL Army in the 1980s

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:30 AM

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Around doom/quake's release I can only guess

clever wasp Sep 16, 2018, 8:30 AM

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best way to confirm it would just to plop a computer somewhere with a static image of OG Doom on it

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:30 AM

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just pop a gasmask on and you've got the DUSK soldiers: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f3/cc/02/f3cc02cc3431f9392fdbcab0f7771ff9.jpg

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What's funny is their Gasmasks are based on the Canadian C-4 gas masks, which never were in service with the US Army:
http://www.armygasmasks.com/v/vspfiles/photos/AAAGAS-41-2.jpg

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:32 AM

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David ficks plis

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:33 AM

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Honestly I can't wait until we get an M16 replacer mod ( a proper LP one contrast to the Alpha M16 which is kinda stank)

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I mean the M60 is kinda cool, but let's be real, it's an LMG, why would it be everywhere?

clever wasp Sep 16, 2018, 8:35 AM

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file it under the section "Acceptable breaks from reality"

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:35 AM

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There won't ever be anything better than current AR with randomised fire rate

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 8:41 AM

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when you have a game that simultaneously takes place in rural PA, industrial/military facilites and a lovecraftian alternate dimension, its sort of hard to get a consistent weapon set to fit contextually

clever wasp Sep 16, 2018, 8:41 AM

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you don't even need to go that far tbh

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 8:41 AM

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u just have to break realism as a concession for gameplay sometimes

crimson folio Sep 16, 2018, 8:42 AM

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soon DACON

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:42 AM

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Honestly realism>gameplay

clever wasp Sep 16, 2018, 8:43 AM

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if you're playing a game with floating people shooting fireballs, a treasure hunter that can jump faster than your car can go, and fights all manners of demonic/cybernetic/both abominations all game long, but your only concern is finding M60s more frequently than usual, it's a pretty safe bet that whatever is wrong in the equation is not in the game proper

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:44 AM

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But are there any cybernetic demons in the game yet?

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:44 AM

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doom 3 is best doom cuz it more realistic xddddddddddd

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who said they're demons my boi

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might be ayys

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:44 AM

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Well demons are aliens

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They don't come from earth

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:44 AM

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🤔

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 8:44 AM

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huh

viral gate Sep 16, 2018, 8:44 AM

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DACON

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 8:44 AM

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cant argue with that logic

clever wasp Sep 16, 2018, 8:44 AM

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@opal plover pretty sure the Guardian is a demon, and that he wasn't born/spawned/whatever with a grenade launcher for an arm, if that counts

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:45 AM

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but demons are muh interdimensional beings

crimson folio Sep 16, 2018, 8:45 AM

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paralel universe

viral gate Sep 16, 2018, 8:45 AM

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BIGJOHN <- explain this

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 8:45 AM

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hate how in the new doom games hell isnt actually theological hell, its just some Alternate Dimension

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:46 AM

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I mean I don't see why the cult leader wouldn'tgive him a hand cannon from birth

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 8:46 AM

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hand cannon was prob military doin shit

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:46 AM

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Why would they give him an antiquated ass cannon

viral gate Sep 16, 2018, 8:46 AM

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Did somebody say... hand cannon? andrew2

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:47 AM

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And why would they give it to the dude who guard the nameless city

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 8:47 AM

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idk a cannon that fires mortar rounds dont seem antiquated to me

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:47 AM

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In design I meant

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Also about you nudoom complaint dorito: "why not both?"

clever wasp Sep 16, 2018, 8:49 AM

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to be fair old doom hell isn't anywhere closer to biblical hell either

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it's also treated as a parallel dimension for the most part

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 8:50 AM

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it had the satanic imagry n stuff tho

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:50 AM

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member when Doom Hell was colourful? pepperidge farm memberberries

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 8:50 AM

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and the rivers of blood and people being tortured

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lakes of fire

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sounds like biblical hell to me

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:50 AM

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And that one ugly ass blue flame texture?

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 8:50 AM

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yeah

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:51 AM

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U dare be diss thy holy FIREBLU?

clever wasp Sep 16, 2018, 8:51 AM

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sure, it's not like you have lava everywhere, and, oh, an entire goddamn level taking place inside the cadaver of a giant ass monster in the new doom

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:51 AM

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BEGONE WITH U

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:51 AM

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Anyway doom 4 hell seems pretty mystical to me

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It corrupts everything it touches

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 8:52 AM

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is there even a single upside down cross in doom16

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:52 AM

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Which I belive is why the doomslayer wasn't dooming humanity by destroying the argent accumulators

clever wasp Sep 16, 2018, 8:52 AM

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I mean there's all the cult imagery in the first half of the game

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:52 AM

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I mean there were a ton of candle pentagrams

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 8:52 AM

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yea

clever wasp Sep 16, 2018, 8:53 AM

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not to mention the "tier 3 acolyte" horseshit, which basically amounts to an invitation to ritual sacrifice

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 8:53 AM

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also i do like how 16 made every wad canon

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which means okuplok and holy hell is canon

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:53 AM

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my d00ds it would be mighty neat if you moved these epic discussions to gaming

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 8:54 AM

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backseat modding

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banned

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:54 AM

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Is that fucking backseat moderating I see

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Heresy

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:55 AM

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it was a suggestion tho
but really tho, I came here for the very mighty DUSK talk not Doom 2016

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:56 AM

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Yeah let's talk about dusk lore

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 8:56 AM

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chad dusk v virgin nudoom

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 8:56 AM

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We finished talking about doom 4 anyway

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 8:57 AM

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le epic plotwist but if the Rachel's secret and Constantine secret didn't be revealed and had zero context u could have a generic back plot (probably what Dave wants, ugh typical) about DUSKd00d being in dusk because of his GF Rachael Constantine

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so Dave better be a good boi, and let DUSK be an Indiana Jones-type story about a treasure hunter instead of some pisswank love story, or blood-knock off "duskd00d is a le epic cult member that got nae nae'd by the leader and wants revenge"

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 8:59 AM

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indian joe

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 9:00 AM

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Feel like Duskdude is actually a replicant

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 9:00 AM

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that makes me think, what if theres a proper thief style mansion level in ep3

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i doubt there will be tbh but it would be rad

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 9:02 AM

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that's why Duskd00d goes back to Pennsylvania

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to raid a mansion le epic style and teleport back to TNC to nae nae the cult leader

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 9:02 AM

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then nae nae shub niggurath

crimson folio Sep 16, 2018, 10:58 AM

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How's Episode 3 coming along? ^^

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I'm still really hyped i can't contain it anymore

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 10:59 AM

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check pinned

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its very very close

crimson folio Sep 16, 2018, 10:59 AM

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Oh for real?

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 11:00 AM

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devs have confirmed that its coming out this year and not 2019

crimson folio Sep 16, 2018, 11:00 AM

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Just read it

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Great news!!!

delicate sail Sep 16, 2018, 11:00 AM

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The last update featuring reliable information is the pinned message from David from like 2 weeks ago

crimson folio Sep 16, 2018, 11:00 AM

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I hope the SDK for Workshop comes out soon after!!

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Get some cool custom levels

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 11:00 AM

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yee

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i think we'll get custom levels before the SDK

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if they decide to release the wad files so we can use em in trenchbroom

crimson folio Sep 16, 2018, 11:01 AM

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WOOO

graceful wing Sep 16, 2018, 11:02 AM

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we dunno how to release those yet

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ep3 will be a 2018 release though

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 11:03 AM

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hopefully itll be in time for halloween

graceful wing Sep 16, 2018, 11:03 AM

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we'll see

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 11:03 AM

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but we thought it would come out in june at one point so i shouldnt speculate

graceful wing Sep 16, 2018, 11:03 AM

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when it's done™

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 11:13 AM

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Honestly at this point, I think a Late (last 3 days) September at the earliest or Late October/Early November most plausible, and December at the furthest is the logical likelyhood of release.

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 11:13 AM

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even if they finish it september i feel they gonna wait out till halloween cos that release date makes the most sense

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 11:14 AM

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I think they've been blueballing everyone enough, the best bet to do when it's finished is just to release it and get it out of the way.

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 11:14 AM

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in the mean time we would be beta testing

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 11:15 AM

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Supposably, but either Avain or Lain stated that Ep3 Beta testing won't be a thing

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 11:15 AM

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oh?

delicate sail Sep 16, 2018, 11:15 AM

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Realistically speaking, the QA process will most likely be quite thorough, so I'm not counting on anything before late October

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Taking into consideration that Ep1+2 will get another balancing and lore pass as well as addressing those few very minor bugs and qol improvements

fast wigeon Sep 16, 2018, 11:17 AM

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david said maybe ep2

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they might not go over it again

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 11:18 AM

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Well I imagine that story elements will essentially be added in.

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and maybe balancing to make Ep1 more of a challenge.

opal plover Sep 16, 2018, 11:19 AM

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Yeah

crisp lion Sep 16, 2018, 11:19 AM

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tho tbh Ep1 of Doom was easy, which it kinda should be.

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it was release free after all.