dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk

[prisma halo]

it's still on my yt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQp6BAZAgr0

I mixed a whole bunch of weapon sounds together for the horseboss part

sounded pretty cool

I'm also mad that in the video render some of the cuts weren't in sync with the audio because ???

at least the riveter shot was intact

[opal plover]

That flip in the E1M5 gulch was cool

[tired whale]

is what seems to be an fps drop around 45 secs intentional?

[prisma halo]

that's reveal trailer footage

placeholder stuff

[tired whale]

ah aite

[prisma halo]

the video is at 60fps but the reveal trailer is 30

so you can feel a harsh drop when the reveal trailer stuff kicks in

I still think if we do another trailer for the ep3 release or whatever we should totally use the menu music

[opal plover]

Yeah

You should totally do one final release trailer that shows Ep 1, 2 and 3

[tired whale]

dunno, maybe its because i already spent a bunch of time playing it, but it seems a bit too passive?

[crisp lion]

I suppose the medikits were changed to prevent Red Cross complaining?

[mild ginkgo]

thats correct

[prisma halo]

Maybe when I get a new HDD, I don't have enough space to record all the footage I'd need lmao

[opal plover]

"the facilities, where hubris and questionable ethics have unleashed dangerous knowlege"

[mild ginkgo]

we dont need to be commiting war crimes

[crisp lion]

IIRC the medikit texture still has the red cross, it's the brightmap that changes the color

[prisma halo]

also fuck, if I do another trailer that means I need to do the riveter shot all over again

that took so many tries to get just right

[mild ginkgo]

nah just both are in the project

the texture was actually changed

[opal plover]

"the nameless city, the deepest, darkest most depraved part of the universe" some trailer text I'm thinking of

[prisma halo]

I'm not actually a fan of text callouts in trailers

or rather

[crisp lion]

I'm pretty certain the NC is in another dimension m8

[prisma halo]

I'm not a fan of them when they're the only thing onscreen

I prefer them overlaid on gameplay

[tired whale]

know what you should do? Puns

[opal plover]

Depends on what you call the universe

[mild ginkgo]

the entire first trailer was puns

[tired whale]

old-school vidya puns 😃

more puns!

fucking, put in memes as well

[prisma halo]

big john at the end

[mild ginkgo]

i think we spent every one possible on that first trailer

[tired whale]

to appeal to the younger crowd 😃

[crisp lion]

augh

mini jahn

[High Pitched, x2 speed] Come and Get me!

Mini Jahn is the US military's human chipmunk

[prisma halo]

oh man

could take a jab at STRAFE lmao

"Why STRAFE when you can slide?"

[tired whale]

why STRAFE when our game works and doesn't suck shit*

or is that too on the nose? 😃

[crisp lion]

:o

[mild ginkgo]

maybe a LITTLE on the nose

[prisma halo]

just a bit

[crisp lion]

Strafe burned a le epik style

[opal plover]

We advertise our games as retro FPSs and they're not roguelites

Anyway David is friends with strafedev anyway

[tired whale]

oh i got another one

[crisp lion]

As I've said

[tired whale]

"our game won't make you want to STRAFE off a cliff"

[crisp lion]

STRAFE failed that hard, they attempted to save face by calling it a roguelike

it just werks™

[opal plover]

Anyway I'm all for a definitive release trailer

[prisma halo]

I don't think the STRAFE devs really deserved all the hate they got

like

I didn't like the game

but holy shit did they get beaten up bad

[opal plover]

Yeah doesn't seem that bad

[tired whale]

they're nowhere near machine games for sure

but hey, shitting on things is fun and you won't convince me otherwise

[clever wasp]

that being said I find the genre of roguelike FPSes to be truly lacking

like I can name 3 off the top of my head

if only I had the ability to be a one man programming team, capable of building his own 3D engine

[tired whale]

and how many of them are actually good? 😃

[clever wasp]

well I've played 2 out of the 3, and the 3rd one is STRAFE

[mild ginkgo]

ive heard redneck rampage is genuinely good

[crisp lion]

Fellas, You should probably take it to Gaming

[clever wasp]

the other two are Ziggurat (pretty good) and Immortal Redneck (also really good, but a bit slower to start)

[mild ginkgo]

oh immortal redneck

thats the one

why did i say redneck rampage

[clever wasp]

ye Redneck Rampage is something else lol

[mild ginkgo]

i guess ive been talking about it all day

yeah

i know it is lol

[prisma halo]

I mean hey, anyone can write a 3d engine with enough study

[mild ginkgo]

we've been calling sharpshooter 3d slavic RR all day

[clever wasp]

@prisma halo let's just say that I am an idiot and like doing things the hard way, by which I mean if I make a 3D game engine, it's gonna be Vulkan-based or bust

[tired whale]

immortal redneck and ziggurat are pretty aite, they do feel a bit too similar though

[clever wasp]

(so bust, basically)

[prisma halo]

Start with OpenGL first

[tired whale]

borderline "we're ripping u guys off" similar

[clever wasp]

at first yeah, they look and feel really similar

but the more you play, the more they drift apart

helps that they have very similar premises

[mild ginkgo]

vulkan is like a college dropout right now in my eyes

has a lot of potential, but instead smoked weed and did nothing

theres been like a single good commercial implementation of it

[graceful wing]

Ye

Vulkan is right there ready for use but it's just been neglected

[mild ginkgo]

and the use it has seen has been poor at best

buggy, horrible releases

[crisp lion]

You mean D16 was the only good use of Vulkan so far?

[mild ginkgo]

correct

[tired whale]

wasn't good 4 my toaster :c

rip

[sly path]

Not to mention that Mac OS won't be using Vulkan and Direct X 12 is getting new realtime raytracing thingamagiggers.

[graceful wing]

Just pour vodka in your pc for extra cheeki breeki

[tired whale]

last time i tried it, i got five extra frames

but then my pc stopped working :c

[mild ginkgo]

the reasons to support vulkan are few

it has positive word of mouth/goodwill

and thast about it

[sly path]

I mean the Switch supports it I guess.

[graceful wing]

Same as dusk really

[sly path]

So it could be used on Switch games.

[mild ginkgo]

switch stuff mostly uses opengl

its the same as UE4 to me

tons of great word of mouth

[sly path]

Seems the Switch is the only console that doesn't use proprietary APIs.

[mild ginkgo]

5% of its usage is good

the collosal number of awful ue4 games is terrifying

switch absolutely does

Nvidia has a bunch of proprietary shit

[tired whale]

that's what you get for making your engine "free"

[sly path]

I mean, Unity has a higher list of shit things I guess, they're both equally as bad with that.

[mild ginkgo]

i think lately unity has a better track record

[graceful wing]

Nvidia is the worst thing ever

[mild ginkgo]

tbqh

[sly path]

Personally I really like UE4 from what I've used but that's probably because it doesn't have some of the baffling design decisions Unity has.

[graceful wing]

If I had to pick I'd use ue any day

[mild ginkgo]

ue4 is just as poorly designed in a lot of way

s

and looking at the list of recent ue4 releases, ill hedge my bets with unity

[graceful wing]

Just like unity

[crisp lion]

Problem with OpenGL is that it's a potentially archaic graphics API, regardless if it is updated.

[graceful wing]

They both suck

[mild ginkgo]

there has not been a single stable ue4 game released in AGES

[sly path]

All of the big three engines suck.

Then there's Game Maker which is abhorrently designed in general.

[clever wasp]

wait, three engines ?

which one is the third ?

[sly path]

Cry Engine.

[crisp lion]

Games made by Jonatan Soderstrom are the only decent Gamemaker games

[tired whale]

GM is poop, but hey, it has hotline miyummi

so god bless

[crisp lion]

CryEngine

aka the test your new setup engine

[graceful wing]

More like make you cry engine

[sly path]

In 2016 when they launched Game Maker Studio 2 they decided to still use the horrific design choices that were in previous versions.

[clever wasp]

nah, the new "Test your setup" engine is GameBryo dude

[crisp lion]

it just werks

[clever wasp]

fire up Skyrim, see how long it takes before it violently CTD

[mild ginkgo]

ue4 is a fighting game engine tbh

ALL of the good ue4 games are fighting games

[sly path]

Then there's an up in coming engine called Amazon Lumberyard which is sorta Cry Engine but supports more ads.

[clever wasp]

it supports more than that

Star Citizen uses it

[sly path]

Then there's also Source 2 which sorta exists but not really.

[clever wasp]

and optimization/stability has made immense progress since they began using it

[graceful wing]

Autodesk has an engine too

[mild ginkgo]

Star Citizen? More like never coming out

[clever wasp]

it's still unplayable

but it's less unplayable

[graceful wing]

Used by vermintide and...

[tired whale]

more like, star SHITTYzen amirite

[graceful wing]

No one

[mild ginkgo]

yeah they actually cancelled that engine

vermintide will be the last one

[sly path]

To be fair we're probably talking more about SDKs than engines.

[crisp lion]

Source 2 is just HDTF engine

it's a meme

[graceful wing]

Free man

[sly path]

Source 2's only redeeming quality is that it's going to be free to license.

Which probably isn't even happening anymore.

[graceful wing]

Too early to say

[sly path]

This promise was made in like 2016 so they've probably backpeedled after all those leaks from Source Licensees.

[clever wasp]

still, I just want to make my own, hopefully cross platform, 3D engine at some point, even if it looks like complete garbage

that'd look good on my resumé

[graceful wing]

Screw 3d

[clever wasp]

"Yeah I made a game engine" "I don't see how the fuck is that relevant to your application to McDonald's, but sure why not"

[graceful wing]

Do 2d first

[clever wasp]

already did

[graceful wing]

Make it better

[clever wasp]

functionally, I can't do much more

[graceful wing]

Add in meme support

[sly path]

Speaking of 2D, Ubisoft should release the Ubi Art Framework that shit looks to be a really solid thingamabobber that's actually decent to use.

[clever wasp]

you said "better", not "garbage"

[graceful wing]

Bullet hell script?

[sly path]

As a joke I've been thinking about making an engine with Chocolate Doom as the base.

[clever wasp]

it supports bullet hell (it happens to be a purpose built shooter engine), though actually implementing it does not require to modify the actual engine code

[mild ginkgo]

if your game isnt on gamebryo, then its lamebryo

[sly path]

^

[clever wasp]

last time I tested I spawned a literal wall of bullets

(around 90)

and it didn't even slow down

I was so fucking proud

[sly path]

DUSK isn't on Gamebryo so it's lame and should be banned.

[graceful wing]

90 ain't bullet hell. You need 900

[mild ginkgo]

now THATS bullet hell

[vast tangle]

Waiter! There's a bit of background in my bullets!

[clever wasp]

I'm too lazy to test if it can even support that much right now

actually

I don't remember if I made an interface to spawn a bullet without an enemy attached to it

either way, for the time being I'd like to try something that isn't a 2D shooter, and, well, it's always worth it to know some OpenGL/Vulkan stuff

to be fair, I know Apple will not run Vulkan, and I just couldn't care less, like, it's Apple, the last time they didn't make a stupid decision, we called it the iPod

and DX12... well, I'm a Linux dude first and foremost, so hell no is my point there

besides my code looks like the kind of thing an experienced coder (like Zombie, for example) would look at and spontaneously get a heart attack

and catch fire, for good measure

so I've got a long way ahead before I can even display a cube

[prisma halo]

show me

I'm curious now

[graceful wing]

I dunno ipads are okay

Apple Can Make Okay Things Every Once In A While

[clever wasp]

@prisma halo https://github.com/bad64 (warning: Definitely NSF Anything Ever)

like, I'm serious. I know my code is horrible and sometimes confusing

[mild ginkgo]

hell yeah gonna play youre game

[prisma halo]

okay the one thing that immediately bothers me

//Some command line arguments

no space after //

reeeeee

[clever wasp]

I could do worse

[graceful wing]

You posted a video earlier yourself with no spaces though

[prisma halo]

the dice roll program has really odd indentation but I think that's because the file might be mixing tabs and spaces

[clever wasp]

if (condition) { //code }

[prisma halo]

unpopular opinion: there are some cases where K&R brace style actually looks better than allman

lemme grab a sample from the pluto engine style guide

[clever wasp]

huh, actually it does look better than K&R

but like, only in this case

[prisma halo]

that sample is K&R

allman is braces on their own lines

[clever wasp]

always mix up either

[prisma halo]

but yeah, the pluto style guide basically says "use allman, except in these cases"

[mild ginkgo]

oh your release doesnt run out of the box? reeee

[clever wasp]

I just simplify them by calling them "C-Style" and "Wrong style"

[mild ginkgo]

doing work to play your game

[clever wasp]

wait which one

[mild ginkgo]

starblazer

[prisma halo]

hahahaha the ascii art in the dice roller

[clever wasp]

ah, yeah, that...

[prisma halo]

about the d6 function

[clever wasp]

you want the explanation for that ? cause it's real stupid

[prisma halo]

instead of printing a whole bunch of lines

you could do this:

[clever wasp]

I use MinGW 8.(I don't remember precisely), with sjlj and POSIX threads

pthreads isn't native to Windows 10

[mild ginkgo]

lol

[prisma halo]

you should use MinGW-w64

regular MinGW is no longer maintained

[graceful wing]

Yeah, get over to #general-modding code nerds

[clever wasp]

it is w64

[prisma halo]

ah good, just making sure

[clever wasp]

I just call it MinGW because... well as you said, the 32 bit version is no longer maintained

so no point making the distinction

[crimson folio]

[prisma halo]

Common misconception, MinGW-w64 isn't actually 64-bit only

It's just called w64 since it was originally a fork with the goal of adding 64-bit support in general

[vale oar]

thx shillbot

but no

[fast wigeon]

whats even the point of shilling dusk in the dusk channel

isnt it just preaching to the choir

[jade root]

blame dave

he throws a temper tantrum if it doesnt show up

[fast wigeon]

i already do that

[jade root]

i know

cause your a child

[fast wigeon]

ok

[vale oar]

yeah dusk sucks anyway, there is no point in shillin it anywhere

[fast wigeon]

How to DUSK [5] when???????

[clever wasp]

you want to make an array of Dusks ?

[fast wigeon]

nice

sorry theyre Lists and Dictionaries not 1d and 2d arrays

[clever wasp]

I'm so used to C arrays that I instinctively treat every container as an array until I need said container to do something that a regular array cannot do

which doesn't happen that often tbqh

[knotty parrot]

Good evening))))

[clever wasp]

sup

[knotty parrot]

I'm, so as Viscont, russian fan of the Dusk and Amid Evil))))

[clever wasp]

well haven't you found the right place then

[vale oar]

He 's found the wrong place, 'cause these games suck

[jade root]

viscount dragging his friends into everything smh

i cring

ery tim

[vale oar]

This is the first time I bring someone here tbh

[jade root]

I CRING

ERY TIM

[clever wasp]

why are you doing Shillbot's job

do you want this bot to lose its job vis

[vale oar]

Yup

Screw ya Jab

[jade root]

he cring

[fast wigeon]

if i brought any of my friends onto this server they would either mute it immediately or get banned immediately

[vale oar]

me no cringzzzz blahblah

lmao

[clever wasp]

bless you

[jade root]

!lang

[hollow ivy]

Please keep all discussions english only! Repeatedly speaking in foreign languages can get you muted.

[vale oar]

Fuck...

[fast wigeon]

i was just checking the rules

where does it say about that language thing

ik its there somewhere but i cant find

it

[clever wasp]

can I swear in French every once in a while, it's like so weak y'all wouldn't even register it as a swear

[knotty parrot]

Exuse me

[frozen heart]

it doesn't

[knotty parrot]

That will not continue

[fast wigeon]

o

how are people supposed to know then

[frozen heart]

you aren't

[clever wasp]

you learn it the hard way

[jade root]

france isnt real anyway so its cool

[clever wasp]

excuse me it is totally real

[vale oar]

lmao

[clever wasp]

you can find its Wikipedia page by searching "Technological Desert"

[jade root]

i took a language class for french

i didnt learn a thing

therfor

not real

[crystal vessel]

This ain't #french

[vale oar]

what if Earth is not real now 'cause some mothercocker's just blown it up in Amid Evil lmao

[jade root]

ur right this is #thanos-car

[quiet rose]

#bnnuy-and-the-jits

[hollow ivy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/240432519990738944/376575896070389770/jackgeneral.png

[vale oar]

sorry Jack

[fair mirage]

you fucking should be

[vale oar]

no u

[worthy island]

There a way to make custom maps? Its made in unity, there has to be a way.

[opaque spindle]

Trenchbroom is the current supported map maker

You can't actually play the custom maps yet or use the assets

but you can start getting a general layout for your map

[jade root]

full support for fan maps SOON

[opaque spindle]

™

[worthy island]

oooooh

Alrighty then

but then again when is SOON?

[jade root]

uh

like probably before you die

[worthy island]

Epi 3 starting to feel like Half Life epi 3

[jade root]

probably

[worthy island]

the number is a curse

[jade root]

dont worry we are pretty close, check the pins for an unofficial update from the dev

[worthy island]

cool cool

[delicate violet]

And as shiggy diggy said once

It's better to delay a game so it's not shit than release an unfinished game that can end up being shit

If there's something I've learned is that unpolished little details can bring down an entire game

[mild chasm]

The differences between half life 3 and dusk episode 3 are as follows

1. David and co. are actually keeping us regularly updated on the progress of the game, and it seems like if all goes well it might actually come out soon for realsies.
   and 2. Dusk is cancel

[fair mirage]

i was gonna say it's not made by a fat guy but that's not true

[mild chasm]

David and Gabe Newell should have a fighting tournament between their facial hair

[fair mirage]

ok david has short hair

there

[delicate violet]

Ep3 will be the same as HL3

a blogpost

[crimson folio]

nice work shillbot

[opal plover]

Oh shit guys

[crisp lion]

i don't get it

[fast wigeon]

they look similar

[crisp lion]

I just thought the top one was an even NEWER version

[rare musk]

top has too many grafixs to be dusk

[atomic egret]

top is ae

[crisp lion]

😮

[jade root]

Thatsa spicey meme

@vague egret give this man some xp

[vague egret]

.xpadd 50 @opal plover

[hollow ivy]

LainP7#0001 Modified server XP of the user Manniacc#2102 by 50

[vague egret]

[opal plover]

Hell yeah

[mild chasm]

You're going to the top, Manniacc

The top of craphill

But the top

[vale oar]

big john rank SOON™

[mild chasm]

Us chuds have to toil and burn for our sins in order to come awash with the rank of Big John

[crisp lion]

Did you ever become Big John just so you could flex on all the lower ranks on the discord?

[vale oar]

Yup

you little Fork Maiden

wut

[rare musk]

Nah I got a green name for that

clipboard pls?

[mild chasm]

How long from going fork maiden did it take you to get big john status

[vale oar]

LOOOOOONG time

[mild chasm]

Can you ballpark it

[vale oar]

about 3 months iirc

[mild chasm]

like several months?

Yikes

[vale oar]

yeah

chatting every day

[mild chasm]

When you earn that big john rank you EARN it

Unless you meme well enough to get that sweet XP

[vale oar]

I guess you won't get more than 100 xp per meme

so it's all about either making REALLY good memes or being as active af

[viral gate]

Boy does it take awhile to get to Big John

[vale oar]

AWHILE

the gap between FM and BJ is huge

[crisp lion]

you can't even use Meme Factory to increase rank anyway

so bigly oof

[vale oar]

^

[mild chasm]

You have to rely on talking to people

disgusting

[vale oar]

haha yeah

[polar fern]

You could

Ask questions about dusk. Or pester about Ep3.

[mild chasm]

Ask for gib ep3 pls

Or otherwise just annoy the mods and devs

[crisp lion]

gibe it a monbt

for new news

since David-boi is on Holiday

[clever wasp]

besides, good shit takes time to do

[fast wigeon]

i hope they get through the polish passes and achievements quickly

[vale oar]

No, 'cause Poland is too far away from USA

[slate edge]

Susk looks fun.

[vague egret]

Suks is alright I guess

[graceful wing]

Suks is kinda bad

[vale oar]

Susk sux

especially episode 3

[vast tangle]

I thought it was cancelled

[fast wigeon]

is this tree texture ever going to get redone

i just noticed how janky it looks

[delicate violet]

No

[vale oar]

Literally unplayable

refunding now

[jade root]

Good

We don't want your fake money

[crimson folio]

Wait, I saw some misplaced pixels in that picture.

L I T E R A L U N P L A Y A B I L I T Y

[clever wasp]

it's not even like it has never happened before

(see: any Star Wars ever, but especially Solo)

[molten peak]

not as bad as spoderman puddle haha gotteem

[clever wasp]

or that, yes

we're in mid to late 2018, Sony releases an exclusive, and everyone flips their collective shit over puddles, instead of the actual problem

same shit will happen with RDR2 to be honest (thanks TakeTwo, appreciate you flat out saying "hell naw" to a very viable revenue stream, then blaming Rockstar for everything)

[indigo venture]

I knew this was going to happen. I wanted to wait for all three episodes to be released before i started playing. Last night I caved and played through The first two. Now I done got me the shakes...

[balmy sluice]

you done blew it!

I envy the people who are going to get to play all 3 at once for the first time

[fast wigeon]

same

i wish i could experience ep1 and 2 fresh again

[indigo venture]

Silver linings I got Amid Evil to tide me over for a while. I cut my dusk with that stuff

[fast wigeon]

i mean ep 3 is comin out super soon

and i think dusk is best experienced when you replay an episode a coupla times before going on to the next one

[indigo venture]

LIKE I HAVNT HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE!!!

[fast wigeon]

no like actually soon

not SOON™

david gave an update you can see on pinned messages

[indigo venture]

Gaben made such promises

[fast wigeon]

its like 95% done

well a little less

[indigo venture]

nah Im so hyped tho

[vague egret]

dont be silly nobody even knows the pin button exists

[indigo venture]

Think they'll do a fourth?

[fast wigeon]

if enough people want it then yeah

theyve said that theyll keep makin shit as long as people keep wantin shit

[vague egret]

not planned but not out of the question. after episode 3, we're gonna focus on the SDK and duskworld

also potentially co-op

[indigo venture]

"I'll suck yo **** for a forth ep"

[fast wigeon]

potentially?

i thought coop was confirmed

[vague egret]

well co-op is going to happen. just unclear where it is on the roadmap

[fast wigeon]

o

[quiet rose]

co-op is cancelled because you only use stupid cropped steven universe icons

good job guy

[fast wigeon]

aw

i was wondering when someone was going to call me out on that

ok u just had to edit it and make it worse

:(

[quiet rose]

i can make it much worse

[fast wigeon]

id rather u not

[quiet rose]

anyways duks

[fast wigeon]

are old men profile pics the cool hip new thing now

[quiet rose]

ive been using this one for nearly a year now

so i dont know.

[indigo venture]

I think the SDK is gonna be a great addition. People love their custom maps and it really extends game Longevity. (Points to chart)

When their in breaking bad yes the old men pics are cool now

[fast wigeon]

shit i better get with the times then

[quiet rose]

Richard Dunn 4 ever

[indigo venture]

are there any old men in SU? if so use that one

[fast wigeon]

theres a guy thats like 40 and in a mid life crisis, if thats close enough

[indigo venture]

You can be the middle age son who never visits anymore

[fast wigeon]

im not changin my profile pic btw i like it

least not yet

[indigo venture]

Will the SDK include the possibility for weapon mods. I kind of wanted to replace the lever actions with 44 mags

[fast wigeon]

yes

sdk lets you do anything

[indigo venture]

that somehow have spread fire

[fast wigeon]

i think you can even access the unity scripts if you use a certain mode

[jade root]

sdk will be very flexible

[indigo venture]

Great! now all i need is a single iota of skill

Im praying some good samaritans will remake classic game campaigns. Doom, Quake, Blood, Duke Nukem stuff like that'

[fast wigeon]

oh yeah the first thing that will be made with the SDK is e1m1

you can quote me on that

and people will remake all of doom 1 eventually

[delicate violet]

I will make a dusk gal mod

[prisma kestrel]

i got a thing for damage numbers, so i wanna put those in singleplayer

[fast wigeon]

does dusk have RNG for damage like in doom

it seems to be entirely consistent to me but idk the numbers behind it so im not 100%

[indigo venture]

whats a gal mod, you mean like gendrebend the char?

[clever wasp]

apparently

[jade root]

nah no damage rng

what sorta novel you writing there, mike?

[indigo venture]

i think thatd be kind of cool to put in the options to change the voice pitch, i was actually thinking the other day how Dusk has sort of unintentionally avoided the race/gender identification by simply making you invisible, so there isnt really an argument to be made about a stereotypical white male hardass protagonist. I mean im not ridiculously activist on stuff like that i just thought it was kind of neat

no novel just trying to be polotically correct over here, half of that was backspace phew

[jade root]

meh

mod it in

[indigo venture]

yeah

[prisma kestrel]

FWIW, damage numbers aren't like practical at all in Dusk SP. It's literally just for the fun of it :P

[jade root]

and i dont think we'll ever have an issue like that to begin with

dusk is in a niche genre

so sure its a small amount of people, but less people means less people who will get pissed about something trivial like that

[clever wasp]

besides Duskdude is confirmed male

that's like one of the two bits of characterization we have on him

[jade root]

a. hes a dude

b. hes a treasure hunter

[clever wasp]

c. he is severely pissed about the meathook wounds in his back

[jade root]

d. he uses nordvpn

[clever wasp]

NordVPN, the VPN that dates back to the original Viking age

[fair mirage]

e. he eats toast

[clever wasp]

how the fuck do you think they invaded Europe foo

[fair mirage]

f. and is coming for yours

[clever wasp]

through fucking VPN tunnels !

[jade root]

lmao

"who invaded us"
"i dunno"

"they were using a vpn"

[fair mirage]

WHAT'S A VPN?

[clever wasp]

NordVPN ! If it's good enough for Vikings, it's good enough for YOU

(this is one of the few reasons I don't work in marketing)

[opal plover]

I was about to say that I liked the heavier pitch randomistion on the pre pre pre alpha cultist's voice lines but now that I replay it it sounds more like it's a really messy doppler effect.

[crimson folio]

Does David have an idea for the final boss yet?

[opal plover]

I mean of course he had ideas brewing in his head probably from the beggining of developement, I can only assume at this point the final boss is in a square grey arena, is untextured as is always in a T-Pose

They seem to focus on E3M1-M9 first

Speaking of I really hope he's like Serious Sam Hugh Zan sized

[vale oar]

what about E3MS2 tho 😛

and S3

ad S4-....S100

[opal plover]

What about ESMS4

[vale oar]

🤔

[crimson folio]

What about E3MS-1

?

[vale oar]

eh it is done

[opal plover]

Yeah it is pretty much final alongside E3M1-5 as far as I know

And the crits for all the non E3M10 levels are done

[crimson folio]

No not E3MS1 I’m talking about E3MS-1

[vale oar]

oh

sorry princess, but -1 is in another game 😄

[crimson folio]

The glitch level

[vale oar]

-1 is actually kinda heap of all unused levels\parts of them, scrapped stuff etc

in order to enter it u must DONATE

[crimson folio]

How much?

[vale oar]

$-1

[opal plover]

So they give you money?

[vale oar]

no u just hafta turn this world inside out and donate $-1

this is the biggest sum of money can't u see

-1 is more than -10000 of -1000 or -100

[crimson folio]

No what did I say about creating extra dimensional rifts leading to the void

You will doom us all!

[viral gate]

More freaks to shoot?

[vale oar]

I will Quake y'all

[viral gate]

Fine by me

[vale oar]

Or Heretic ya

Or Hexen ya

whatever

[crimson folio]

These HERETICS will drown in Blood

[viral gate]

Strife or Chex Quest even!

[crimson folio]

In full 3D

[vale oar]

yeah

I won't STRAFE ya tho

[crimson folio]

Goodbye guys now I must return to my guard post at Corridor 7

[vale oar]

bye

[opal plover]

I really like it when there's cruxial info or disturbing implications about the lore in hidden areas, like the DS3 eyes of the firekeeper, I hope Ep3 has something like that.

[prisma halo]

or... the inside of gman's briefcase

the horror

[opal plover]

Yes the horrific sight of a gun, paper and pencils

[prisma halo]

Haunts me to this day

[delicate violet]

I like that stuff, and while it's not at odds, I also love the descent into madness that was going from ep 1 to ep 2

Once you fall into the machine it's a never ending ride

[opal plover]

Yeah the fact that not only are the three episodes totally different but they also escalate the madness is one of the things that attracted me to dusk in the first place.

[delicate violet]

It is really great but as I said these are not at odds with each othee

You can have some dope lore with this stuff

Your example with DS3 can be used here actually

[crisp lion]

teh fuck is DS3?

Dead Space 3?

[delicate violet]

Game has some creepy lore and the last part of tje game is the world falling apart

Dark Souls 3

[balmy sluice]

DeSpacito 3

[crisp lion]

haha yes

[mild chasm]

This is the reason me and my buddy refer to Dark Souls 3 by the abbreviation of DkS3

and I believe a lot of people use a k in the middle to differentiate dark souls games

[delicate violet]

DaS is also used

[opal plover]

Dk$00lz

[vast tangle]

I hope to see lots of lovecraftian, mind-bending stuff in Ep 3

I love me some lovecraftian, mind-bending stuff

[crisp lion]

Well the golden rule has already been broken tbh.

All David had to do was to have the Nameless City in Arabia.

[opal plover]

The virgin parallel dimension vs the chad Arabia

[crisp lion]

To be fair a proper adaption of Lovecraftian Nameless City would just be darkness, and crouching-only.

A perfect setting for a survival horror-style FPS!

[opal plover]

It would just be 11 levels of the broken flashlight section from E2M8

Except while crouched

[crisp lion]

Can't wait until EP3 when we have fifty of those in the last 4 levels

[mild chasm]

EP3 will introduce a new mechanic, prone, and won't tell you about it

and the first obstacle you face that utilizes it will be a stack of like desks and stuff

and then you get to crawl prone through the entire episode at the insane speed of 3 feet an hour

[opal plover]

There's gonna be turret sections, but they're just setpieces!

Just skip them

[gritty herald]

I hope EP3 will feature crazy non euclidean levels

[fast wigeon]

definitely

even ep1 has a tiny bit of non euclidean shit

[opal plover]

Dave said Ep 3 will have some stuff with forced perspective

[fast wigeon]

also level where u can fly

which im looking forward to

[opal plover]

Me too

[fast wigeon]

i hope it gets super out there and its like a space lookin level

[opal plover]

Will definitely lead to interesting DM maps

[fast wigeon]

yea

[gritty herald]

I have a thing for non euclidean stuff, so if dusk delivers i'll be happy. I was already happy with EP2 which hinted at stuff like that

[fast wigeon]

wonder if its a powerup

[opal plover]

Could work as one

Apparently there's ziggurat vertigo style weird gravity too

[fast wigeon]

ew

i hate that level

you jump once then you have to wait like 5 seconds to touch the ground everytime

[opal plover]

Well Dave only said fucking with gravity

[fast wigeon]

ooh we could be running on ceilings and shit

we already know theyre trying to do that for the DW escher map

[opal plover]

If we could run on ceilings they'd need to update singleplayer E2M5 too

Also when did they talk about running on ceilings in DW escher labs

[fast wigeon]

a while ago

i cant remember when

[opal plover]

Before the announcement on twitter?

[fast wigeon]

yeah

[crisp lion]

I mean

as long as that Moon Gravity level has some Windtunnels in it.

i'm 100% game

[gritty herald]

As someone who enjoyed Serious Sam's anti gravity rooms (that are not featured in the HD versions), i'm okay with that

[opal plover]

They weren't?

Which one(s)?

[gritty herald]

if i remember well TSE had some rooms like that

[opal plover]

Like the pit?

[gritty herald]

It's been a while since i've played it though

[opal plover]

Or like actual reversed gravity?

[gritty herald]

i remember a cylinder room

it had mario galaxy-ish gravity basically, you sticked to the floor

[opal plover]

Oh yeah I think that was in the HD version

[gritty herald]

It was? I thought serious engine 3 dropped those features so they had to rework all the rooms that used anti gravity

[opal plover]

Oh if they reworked them instead of removing them then they might not be in there

Oh yeah they made walls you could stand on in the cylinder

[gritty herald]

Yeah, and it's a shame, which is why i'd love to see that stuff in dusk

[fast wigeon]

i think 500 was talking about an apparantly really fun mechanic that may or may not end up in the game

a few months ago

and saying that if it worked they would put it in DW

maybe he was talking about a gravity shift mechanic

[crimson folio]

That would be pretty cool but maps would have to be designed around that mechanic to completely work

[fast wigeon]

yea i dont think david would just throw it into the old levels or put it there randomly

it would definitely be designed around it

[clever wasp]

or it could be a per-map thing

[mild chasm]

Escher Labs would work pretty well with that imo

Although it might screw with some of the jump pad spots and stuff

[fast wigeon]

altho if they put it in MP i think the entire game would break like it did with the projectile fix

[crimson folio]

Morning. I just had a dream where I was playing an expansion pack of Dusk, and it brought more levels like those of Episode 1.

Crazier thing is that one of the new things is actually one where you hold three double shotguns at once.

[opal plover]

Look what you're doing @crisp lion

[fast wigeon]

what about 4 quad shotguns like in russian overkill

[crisp lion]

Silent DUSK coming uhhhhhh

[opal plover]

Your Ep4 return to Dusk cult is growing

[crisp lion]

2069

[slate edge]

Susk

[opal plover]

Suske

[crisp lion]

no weebs allowed

[clever wasp]

return to Dusk will feature a new artifact of doom that turns the people of Dusk (the town) into weaboos

to combat this, Duskdude decides to kill EVERY FUCKING LIVING THING IN A 20 MILE RADIUS

which to be fair is a sensible solution

[opal plover]

He will detonate a nuke in Dusk, stopping the weebvasion but killing himself in the process

[clever wasp]

the cultists' grunts will be replaced by traditional moonspeak

[opal plover]

A true hero, sacrificing everything to save the innocent

[clever wasp]

which apparently is filtered by the bot

didn't know that

[opal plover]

kawai ?

[clever wasp]

ye

[fast wigeon]

ep4 eSmS6 will be a terry wad comprised entirely of NB memes

[graceful wing]

Oh lemme fix that

Probably an old meme filter

[clever wasp]

uh, don't

really

that shouldn't come up that often

(hopefully)

just don't bother

[crisp lion]

yea not many weebs on nb tbh

[opal plover]

That's what you'd like to belive

[graceful wing]

We're done with meme filters

Its a consistency thing

We want it to be totally clear as to what's filtered and what isn't

[crisp lion]

what so the Thoth without the 2nd H won't be meme embargo'd anymore?

[opal plover]

Heh

D umpy giraffe is still filtered

[jade root]

That's still a ban

[opal plover]

What is?

[crisp lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le9sLw2VdUg

[jade root]

A certain giraffe

[prisma halo]

what was it? Bumpy?

[opal plover]

Hey Zom Zom

[crisp lion]

i don't get it

[opal plover]

Boffa

[jade root]

Hello Zombie lead dev of UE4 mod tools, brutal doom author, and most recently, Doomslayer Chronicles dev

[crisp lion]

ewww

[opal plover]

My epic prank failed

[prisma halo]

[crisp lion]

Zombie helped with DSC?

[opal plover]

Yes

That's why it runs like ass

[crisp lion]

u should feel shame

[prisma halo]

Yeah I programmed in all the titties

[opal plover]

Honestly that level with the tentacles coming out of the blood sea is totally my esthetic

[crisp lion]

aesthetic m80

get it right!

[opal plover]

AEsthetic

[crisp lion]

[Drake of Approval]

[jade root]

Zombie also had a BIG hand in Immerse, the most advanced REALISTIC DOOM MOVEMENT MOD of this generation

[clever wasp]

Doom 94 VR when

keep the textures and the weird parallax intact

just add VR support

[jade root]

BIG thanks to zombo

[crisp lion]

yes

can't wait till it get's some worst wad in Cacowards

[jade root]

Zombie created the cacoawards

[crisp lion]

The wee man gave birth to em just after he came out the womb eh?

[graceful wing]

Zombie created the slaughtering grounds

[tired whale]

based off his own tough life in the streets

[graceful wing]

He also went yeet once

[woeful plover]

Is there a specific place I can find more on the lore for Dusk?

[prisma halo]

The game 😏

[woeful plover]

I have just a few questions about the cult, it's motivations, and so on and so forth.

[vale oar]

well the cult leader is Dave

New Blood CEO

[woeful plover]

It's for reasons.

I'm not looking for jokes or sarcasm.

[opal plover]

What do you want to know?

[woeful plover]

Which, came out way bitcher sounding than I meant it to

So sorry about that.

I just...need honest answers I guess.

Specifically, what's the motivation of the cult

What gods are they affiliated with

[prisma halo]

It's a mystery

[woeful plover]

What is the goal for hte world at large.

[prisma halo]

Revealing that kinda stuff is up to Dave & David, plus the game's not even done yet

[woeful plover]

Also, who should I speak with on the dev team for these answers?

one sec...

[opal plover]

They worship their leader, they want world domination

[woeful plover]

I asked oshcuro, but he didn't get back to me. I think he's just really busy.

[prisma halo]

El Oshcuro is Dave, jefequeso is David

[woeful plover]

Alright thank you. I'll try David.

[opal plover]

Anyway what more do you want to know about the cult leader?

[woeful plover]

Well, I would like to know more about the enemies we are fighting. Specifically if they are human, former human, transformed, ghosts...etc.

Also, the relationship to the protagonist.

[opal plover]

Possessed

Protagonist is Duskdude, the wrong man in the wrong place

[woeful plover]

Right, but why do they want to kill him so badly?

Is he just trying to survive this? Or is there more to it?

[opal plover]

because he's a non beliver and he killed thir members

[woeful plover]

Non believer in this god or gods?

[opal plover]

At first he wants to survive but I guess when he finds the dead soldier in E1M3 is when he realises that he's the only one who can fix this

[woeful plover]

Or even goddess/es?

Right.

I suppose I can say that this is related to voice acting.

I'm looking at motivations.

Helps me write.

Well, more appropriate lines.

I don't want to record something like "you'll pay for what you did at walmart!"

When that has nothing to do with the story.

[prisma halo]

hey it might!

[woeful plover]

Well that's just it. I dont know!

[opal plover]

Apparently Ep 3 is gonna reveal who Duskdude is, who the cult leader is, what their motivations are and who the cult's enemy is.

[woeful plover]

Unfortunately, I can't wait that long. I need to know beforehand so...it's ready lol.

[crisp lion]

and some bigger bad

always a bigger fish

[woeful plover]

Alright. Well, I guess I'll just have to try David when he's next online.

Thanks guys, I appreciate it.

[opal plover]

Are you just like writing something Dusk related

Like a short story?

[woeful plover]

No.

[graceful wing]

Stay tuned for the dusk comic book coming soon

[opal plover]

Well I'm telling you, David won't tell you anything about the not yet revealed story

[crisp lion]

Duskdude is a treasure hunter that came to Dusk looking for well treasure, got captured by the cult, etc

Also comic book isn't canon xdddddd

[woeful plover]

I have no idea what I'm allowed to say and not allowed to say.

So I have to keep this all as vague as possible.

[graceful wing]

The game itself has next to no lore.

[prisma halo]

The lore serves the game itself, rather than the other way around, basically

[woeful plover]

Yeah, it's making this difficult.

[opal plover]

Now you're becoming mysterious Zary

[prisma halo]

What's your lore?

[graceful wing]

Whoa

[woeful plover]

Oh my...

[graceful wing]

Asking the real questions

[woeful plover]

The ole' switcheroo.

[opal plover]

Lore?
In my DUSK?!
It's more likely than you think!

[woeful plover]

As long as it's not centipedes.

[crisp lion]

just implications atm

[woeful plover]

Yeah, I can use just a bit more info than that, but I guess if that's all I have to work with.

[opal plover]

Oh yeah we know one of the Ep 3 enemies is some sort of centipede creature (for real no centipedes in dusk though)

[woeful plover]

I get that they view duskdude as some sort of heretic/interloper/ousider

Clearly against whatever it is they're doing, but I'm looking for something more.

[crisp lion]

I say the cults been around for decades, some expansion work happened in E2M1, news broke around the states, military came in, more fucked shit happened, town was sealed, Military did some more fucked up shit with what they found it the ruins.

others say the military came first, then the cult, blah blah

[woeful plover]

Right, and that's the kind of thing I need to know.

Or well, would like to know anyway.

Helps me deliver the best performance.

[opal plover]

I mean, the basic human value of fighting evil is for me a pretty interesting and emotional motivation, I say that's a pretty good motive for duskdude.

[woeful plover]

Definitely.

You guys have been helpful, and I thank you all for your time.

[crisp lion]

It's a case of Adrian Shepherd, Duskdude didn't ask for this, he just has to rise above and do it now, especially since no-one else will.

[woeful plover]

I like Shepherd as a character, despite the fact that he's yet another silent protagonist.

I felt like the situation he was thrown into was way too crazy, and always envisioned him as a younger soldier.

Freeman at least has some scientific knowledge under his belt to maybe grasp exactly what the hell is going on.

Adrian is just...that kind of confusion would make the situation so much more horrifying.

[crisp lion]

Well I wouldn't say he's new new, he is a Corporal after all.

[woeful plover]

Oh is he?

Hmm

[crisp lion]

22-years old

[woeful plover]

I always saw him as a Pvt. Hudson only without the goofballs attitude.

I have no reason whatsoever to think of him like that, I just made that shit up in my head.

I feel like even during Blue Shift at least barney probably had SOME idea of the crazy shit going on down there.

[crisp lion]

Well is Drill Sarge did say he had a pair on him in the OpFor Tutorial :D

[woeful plover]

I didn't play the tutorial I was waaaaayyyy too pro for that.

Crouch jumping all over and whatnot.

Launching grenades directly into walls in front of me....

Ultra pro

[delicate violet]

What if we have Dusk: The musical

[opal plover]

It would be mostly metal

[crisp lion]

it's called the Soundtrack™

[opal plover]

It would be the soundtrack but with Andrew singing stuff

Man I wonder what that would be like

What would the lyrics to, say, hand cannon be?

[delicate violet]

Its high school musical but metal, m8

[jade root]

no prnt screen?

[clever wasp]

stuck ?

for real ?

[jade root]

you can grab the climbing gear

[clever wasp]

right

[jade root]

and climb up the wall

[clever wasp]

so the game never explicitly tells you this, but you can shoot certain (= most) switches with bullet weapons

doing so opens up the ceiling

then you can climb

[jade root]

im pretty sure it tells you to shoot it

[frozen heart]

you know

there is writing on the wall that says "DON'T SHOOT THE SWITCHES"

:v)

[acoustic oriole]

be rebellious

[jade root]

braindo more like

[amber drift]

the thirst mutilator

[clever wasp]

well the last time I saw something like this it told me to not go into the mines, so I went into the mines and encountered my first Wendigos

[acoustic oriole]

don't let a game tell you what not to do

[clever wasp]

I'm fairly inclined to listen to the blood advice now

[jade root]

why are you on such low resolution anyway

[amber drift]

it's like a MONSTER TRUCK you POUR into your FACE

it's got ELECTROLYTES

[jade root]

what sorta toaster you playing on

ew

update dude

[clever wasp]

harder than you'd think

you need a job, first

[jade root]

ooooh

[clever wasp]

makes sense

[jade root]

gameing at work

epic

[crimson folio]

Is the Dusk comic out yet?

[jade root]

no

it wont be until release

[vale oar]

Don't shoot the buttons
Don't go in the ruins
Don't go in the well
Don't.

[clever wasp]

wdym don't go in the well

what well

[fast wigeon]

Don't shoot the cultist leader

Please

[acoustic oriole]

don't go in the ruins

Dusk Dude: OK.

roll credits

DUSK is out of Early Access and ready to ship

[jade root]

if you guys have died in dusk you've technically seen the ending

you can turn that off

but everyone seems to miss the button so w/e

[crimson folio]

Yes there is a switch that turns it off

[rocky solar]

Should i get dusk?

[viral gate]

...

this is a discord channel dedicated to New Blood.

[vague egret]

maybe he is looking for a heavily biased opinion

[viral gate]

Probably.

[vague egret]

yes
dusk is awesome
give us your money

[crimson folio]

do u like doing kickflips while shotgunning some dudes while going really really fast

if so then buy dusk

[opal plover]

Nah Dusk bad play arcane dimensions intead (<--------------------- sarcasm even though arcane dimensions good)

[viral gate]

That arrow doesn't have enough hyphens in it!

Much better

[opal plover]

Last night I dreamt that I was playing E3M5, and the cathedral was much bigger and some of the switches were inside of the extended areas that also had more verticallity, and they opened the central part of the cathedral.

And there was three giant Big Johns

I guess that came from me wanting more bosses as regular enemies.

[rocky solar]

Lains opinions don't count because he is a weeb

[jolly mirage]

Shut up Lain is cool

[viral gate]

[opal plover]

gottem

[jolly mirage]

Its Jab who is a big weeb though

[opal plover]

Anyway what kind of games do you like Print

[rocky solar]

What i meant by my previous statement was. should i get the game or wait

[jolly mirage]

no

you should buy it right now

[opal plover]

If you're not that excited about playing it I'd say wait till Ep3's release

[rocky solar]

k

thx

before i go remember chad be ballin

[jolly mirage]

I mean

You can't play dusk on the PS Triple

[rocky solar]

do not talk or i will nae nae you

[jolly mirage]

instant 3/10

[rocky solar]

you tatter tot

you have the ulgy

[viral gate]

Whoa

[jolly mirage]

Whoa

[viral gate]

Meanie

[rocky solar]

yes

[jolly mirage]

You crossed the line boi

[rocky solar]

you will never take me alive because you are also weeb

[jolly mirage]

uh oh

[opaque spindle]

nice Dusk talk guys

[crimson folio]

Mann is this the same guy that was on Cytu.be ?

[rocky solar]

I will hogomite you

yes

plz dont ban me admin i am good boy

Back to what I was saying will there be any dusk sales soon

[opaque spindle]

Not anytime soon

[rocky solar]

oof

[opaque spindle]

maybe after the full game launches but even then I doubt it

Its not exactly an expensive game

[jolly mirage]

I mean its only like 20 bucks

defiantly a bit cheaper than its competitors

[rocky solar]

I'll probably get it in a month

[jolly mirage]

NO

you will buy it right now!

[rocky solar]

yes papa

[delicate violet]

Game is quite good

It starts ok but the campaign gets better the further you progress

Lots of secret stuff that gives replayability on top of the well made gunplau

If I had to give negatives is that the first couple maps are just ok and there is a late enemy in episode 2 that I just don't like

[opal plover]

You don't like cowgirls?

Also he was talking about if he should wait till release to buy it

[delicate violet]

Probably

[frozen heart]

they are pretty beefy

[opal plover]

They're pretty much the only enemy so far that makes you go "oh shit it's one of these"

[viral gate]

ONE OF TTTHHOOSSEEE

[clever wasp]

yeah to be fair none of the other enemies are a real threat on anything other than duskmare

[viral gate]

Too much of a l33t gam_r I see

[crimson folio]

when they start shootin oh boi you better move

[opal plover]

Every classic FPS had one of those, the archvile, the shambler and so on

[clever wasp]

yep

[viral gate]

Flameboi*

[clever wasp]

it's like a rule to have that one enemy that makes you remember how important taking cover is

[crimson folio]

🤔 Theres no Spawners tho

[viral gate]

I tend to try dashing towards a shambler and kite its claw swipes

[clever wasp]

I don't think the engine actually supports that currently, but it's true we don't have a spawner enemy yet

[crimson folio]

Dusk 2 ez

[viral gate]

Unless the mapper places them in a far spot that is

[clever wasp]

I mean, the monster count is finite in Dusk

there aren't any levels with "bonus" monsters

[crimson folio]

Ye a boss battle that would look like hes spawning monsters

[opal plover]

I mean you could have the spawned monsters not count

Or go the doom route and have an amount of kill that can exceed the monster count

[clever wasp]

the first solution still might not be possible in the current engine

we'd have to ask David at some point

[crimson folio]

[opal plover]

You sure? I mean I don't really see how that in particular couldn't work.

[frozen heart]

all of dooms enemies are dangerous

[clever wasp]

without going into too much detail, the engine has to keep track of monsters one way or the other

[frozen heart]

if used in the correct way

[clever wasp]

and the fact that there are (a lot) of "black box" rooms containing monsters that are relocated as necessary means that the engine probably cannot spawn additional monsters on demand right now

[crimson folio]

Mecanics that would take some time to be implemented i guess

[opal plover]

Well the black box thing I belive is just easier than making a spawner script

And it's not like the monster kill counting script is absolute

[clever wasp]

nah, of course, but I mean that in a "it's just not implemented" way

it probably wouldn't take that long to get something working, although off the top of my head I only see an inefficient way of doing it, which would be to add a flag to the base monster class telling if the monster should be counted by default or not

but it's probably super inefficient

[opal plover]

How is that inefficient?

[clever wasp]

essentially the counter function still has to read those "uncountable" monsters, both for determining the maximum number of kills per map, and for increasing the kill counter when one dies

in Dusk, this is probably a non-issue, but imagine on something like nuts.wad

that would be a serious performance hit at some point

[opal plover]

Oh I see

[clever wasp]

(and also I'm an optimization freak, so there's a fair bit of bias)

[opal plover]

It's better to be an optimization freak than to end up with doom slayer chronicles

[rare musk]

Couldn't you just have it check the flag when it would go to increment the kill count already?

checking one flag is hardly a serious performance hit

And the maximum number of kills per map should only have to be calculated once

[clever wasp]

it might be possible through a callback function called upon monster death

then again, nothing says that function even exists right now

[rare musk]

all you'd need is "if deadmonster.countable = 1 then incrementkillcounter()" on whatever's already calling that function, I don't see the problem here

[clever wasp]

imagine if the monster and whatever object is holding the kill counter are not in the same scope

that's a literal worst-case scenario tbqh

I don't see any reason why they would be, but I guess I've spent so much time with bad programmers I just got paranoid

either way, all things considered, such a monster will probably get modded in real fast I suppose

though I for one don't dislike the lack of Lost Souls

[opal plover]

rats are lost souls though

Unles David decides to add the flying gasmasks back in

[clever wasp]

Lost Souls aren't anywhere as annoying as rats