not release dates
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
elder scaffold
cause I imagine you could already impliment coop in dusk ep 1 and 2. but if for some reason the creation of 3 added new features or things that could break exsisting coop builds. makes me think it isnt going to even be started till release I imagine. which is fine.
fast wigeon
ye co op is going to be started after episode 3 launches
elder scaffold
cries
jade root
is what makes co-op possible
elder scaffold
really?
elder scaffold
gotchya
vale oar
SEMI-SOON™
jade root
we havent even tested co-op
fast wigeon
WEDONTKNOWTBH™
jade root
its not being worked on atm either
elder scaffold
i just hope its ez to setup. I've never gotten DOOM mp to work lmao .set ups too weird.
jade root
working on finishing the game and making duskworld fun
fast wigeon
i think it will be easier than classic doom to set up
you wont have to use external programs
jade root
it shouldnt be too hard
clever wasp
anything involving network is hard by definition
elder scaffold
a friend of mine and I made a mp game in unity
he did all the coding, shit was a BITCH
so I understand
jade root
knowing zombie (dude who's working on the SDK) itll probably easy to use after a little googling
clever wasp
network interaction is one of those things that is easy to do, but hard to do well
is why video game netcodes are all over the place
from damn near perfect (about every fighting game that isn't Smash), to complete garbage (Smash, anything using the Source engine)
ideally you don't want to just update position variables, you want to try to get a good average reading of speed as well over several frames
at least one game went around that issue by simply never (or rarely, like once every two seconds for example) updating position over the network, but computing position from movement vectors
but it was CPU intensive, which meant hosting listen servers was fucking hell
blazing tulip
clever wasp
which region ?
fast wigeon
na games pretty much dead for the time being
wait for frag night or go to #lfg-signup if you want games
spare cobalt
not that many maps or game modes yet
clever wasp
yeah, EU games are basically nonexistent
european playerbase doesn't seem to be that large tbh
(and let's be honest, most of us are speedrunning)
but as dorito said, it should pick up when the full game ships
crimson folio
"The main thing is for Dusk to have a Solid Campaign"
clever wasp
soon(tm)
spare cobalt
aint there some activity during frag nights EU side?
I only attended once as I tend to forget or sleep over it
clever wasp
when you have frag night, we usually schleep
crimson folio
4-6 players tops
spare cobalt
yea but thats just fine
clever wasp
if EU frag night started earlier, it would help, cause 3AM is a bit late
spare cobalt
where do you live
crimson folio
Vacations™
spare cobalt
how can it be so late?
clever wasp
last game night, y'all started at what was 3AM for me
spare cobalt
when I attended it was like 8 in the evening and I live in finland
delicate sail
oof
spare cobalt
ahh that explains
clever wasp
if I can find more EU players I'd happily spearhead an earlier frag night
delicate sail
I'd be down if I had the time
spare cobalt
well if you bother announcing it every saturday and see if people come up I dont see why not
fast wigeon
i just want dusk to get played by some big youtuber or smth so the multiplayer gets really popular
it would be rad once mod support comes out
clever wasp
welp, if I host, I might stream the game as well
doubt DW takes that much bandwidth
I'm no big time youtuber, but it's something
clever wasp
I'm prolly gonna use mine for speedruns for both Dusk, AE, and Ion Maiden when possible
it used to be a tourney VOD channel anyway
delicate sail
For that it'd need more content, or at least a few more game modes, so I don't see that happening until it comes closer to 1.0. Would be neat if the hype for Dusk SP would translate to DW though.
clever wasp
it might
I mean that's how Doom started
and Quake 1 to some extent
unless people want arena shooters to stay buried
crimson folio
Never !
delicate sail
But with QC gaining traction as better reviews as more updates go live it might just be the right time for Dusk to take advantage of the hype.
clever wasp
not necessarily
QC, for all the good it does, is still straying a bit too far from the roots for some people
like, I'm not saying I don't like QC, but please remove Nyx from the game
Dusk is more "pure"
closer to Q3 than it is to QC
crimson folio
ppl waiting for full 1.0 ; retro fps comeback in 2019 ; many factors
delicate sail
I actually just follow the press and watch some streams from time to time, as my like 5 year old PC can't handle it anymore 😃
But Dusk could be the purist alternative for QC
clever wasp
honestly, it's plenty good. the class gimmick is... well, a gimmick, which some people just don't like (hi !), and some people do
delicate sail
With Andrew being the direct connection between the two and all
crimson folio
delicate sail
Is Mick doing the Doom Eternal score as well? Cuz the devs and the NB guys met at QuakeCon, soooo....
clever wasp
probs
to be 100% honest, the only one I'd see doing the DE soundtrack at this point would be Andrew
like I believe he could make some tracks work beautifully
most other video game composers I can name off the top of my head would just be an ill fit for Doom
delicate sail
yeah. Andrew and his IDKFA OST remake is literally the reason why Dusk caught my attention in the first place
clever wasp
it's usually either that, or people being tired of the formula going "You want a new FPS ? Here, play Call of Battlefield 31: Black Ops Hardline WW2.5 Turbo HD Remix or whatever"
mild ginkgo
mick is doing DE yeah
clever wasp
awesome
delicate sail
I mean there are heaps of " 90sThrowback FPSs", but apart from the OST, the first streams I saw of Dusk set it apart with the overall setting and visible attention to detail, the heart put into it and the flow. I think Dave said that David's pitch was pretty much a build with a room in which you could test a few things and one of the reasons he thought it was so interesting was that Dave had the movements down right off the bat, making it feel super satisfying.
prisma kestrel
i had to play it at the 1st Quakecon reveal (the ye olde Endless one) to get into it, but I was like insta-hooked
it had The Feel(tm)
clever wasp
yeah, aside from the sidehopping vs bunnyhopping debate, it feels dangerously close to both Q3A and UT99
yet, it's still definitely a beast of its own
fast wigeon
bhopping being too easy in the dusk is the only thing holding it back for me
delicate sail
Yeah. I insta bought it in August 2017 after seeing a PAX stream with David and Dave.
I don't mind the bhopping thing being so easy, it feels like a deliberate design choice to make the mechanic more accessible.
fast wigeon
i think the speed makes encounters too easy in a lot of circumstances tho
and the speed doesnt feel earned
- actual bhopping would have put the games skill ceiling through the roof
delicate sail
And as long as it seems coherrent with the David's intentions, I'm fine with it. Yeah
clever wasp
actual bhopping would pretty much prevent me from running at all
delicate sail
Wasn't there talk of adding a quake-style bhopping option?
clever wasp
I never managed to get that tech down
delicate sail
That was months ago though...
clever wasp
that and the weird Q1 strafejumps
delicate sail
I think they were like "we might add that as a feature for purists, but let's see how things are gonna be down the road"
mild ginkgo
a design document for a promode does exist
but itd be a post-launch-probably-sdk-mod
clever wasp
now that you mention it
I think one of the first few mods post SDK launch shall be DW instagib
mild ginkgo
it would be much closer to a traditional bhopping experience, with things like slopejumps, etc
airstafes
the whole deal
clever wasp
there aren't many slopes on which you can currently surf tho
in fact I don't think there is one at all
mild ginkgo
we have a few high level quake speedrunners who give us input on it
there arent any, no
delicate sail
Btw, is David involved in the rewrite and the SDK at all or are the implementation and balancing of additional features like promode and coop in Zombie's hands only?
mild ginkgo
i mean, david of course has final say on nearly everything we officially release related to dusk, but pretty much the entirety of the SDK is being handled by zombie
coop is its own beast, and production and planning on that arent really determined fully yet
as for promode, it will likely just be released as an example mod perhaps, uncertain at this time
delicate sail
I see, cool! Thanks for the info 500, just think it's interesting to learn a bit more on how these things are organized in the NB family.
mild ginkgo
yeah certainly, we try to be pretty transparent
delicate sail
So far you guys are pretty damn good at it. Actually, I've never seen anyone being as close to the community as you guys.
mild ginkgo
the SDK will significantly change the way we look at and develop things related to dusk
for example, duskworld will likely end up in a 2.0 version that is integrated into DAWN, rather than a separate client
and because of this, both the development and maintenance of coop and competetive mp would be made easier
delicate sail
Cool. Can zombie already start on the rewrite as content is still added to both DW and SP, or is it just other sdk stuff so far as it makes more sense to wait for everything being content complete for 1.0 and then start thinking about combining the codebase(s)?
mild ginkgo
zombie has been working on the sdk for a long time now. the idea behind dawn actually has very little to do with the content. in fact, the idea is to separate the code aspects from the content/assets aspect
so ideally, when it is complete, the content simply drops in
granted, our current content will have to undergo a conversion process to be more broadly compatible with the sdk, but that isnt being held up by the completion of the content at all
delicate sail
Oh wow, that's super cool.
jolly mirage
delicate violet
@mild ginkgo Watching the cyberpunk 2077 gameplay thing made me think on Dusk and the upcoming doom. The three of them have a dash like mechanic, but it seems that only dusk factors the physics of movement around it. Props to that, seriously. Factoring momentum and low friction as a mean to improve movement is something that has become rare in this day and age
mild chasm
Dusk doesn't have dash mechanic though?
delicate violet
the dodge thing
mild chasm
You mean just jumping while moving to the side?
delicate violet
Crouch while strafing and the dusk guy does this dash-slide thing
mild chasm
Ah, that's just a slide
It also as I recall doesn't give you as much distance as a proper dash like is presented in Doom Eternal and Cyberpunk 2077
You confused me because I thought you were referring to a straight directional movement dash and not a slide, my bad
woeful sonnet
and its also janky feeling as all crap
Don't ask I just felt like doing that to myself
mild ginkgo
lol at least it wasnt spat this time
woeful sonnet
He'll be here shortly I'm sure
crisp lion
We'll see when David has a say.
sly path
Adding a game changing mechanic this late into dev is never a good idea.
sly path
Exactly.
graceful wing
Mod it in boist
delicate sail
™
opal plover
honestly that would change practically nothing though
delicate sail
Just finished Fingerbones for the first time and I gotta say, that were some quality 15 minutes. Really shows the origin of Dusk's superb atmosphere. Also: "Announcing my next game... DUSK [...] Coming 2017." 
jade root
Oof
crimson folio
You can’t rush A R T
opal plover
You can't rush the actual best FPS
graceful wing
You can't rush a good Fart
graceful wing
That's no good
fair mirage
indeed
delicate sail
Oof
crisp lion
"I Don't want to be in that town ever again!"
[Duskdude is automatically teleported back to Dusk after EP3]
opal plover
but how do you know what happens after episode 3?
crisp lion
DUSKpacito 4
opal plover
Did youy read the end text of E3 in the files?
crisp lion
the end text would be hidden in the code.
Unity Studio doesn't allow accessing the code, only the resources/assets files
If there's an enemy seen in EP3 reveals, that's all you're going to find in said files.
and two cut enemies, the soldier-mage thing, and spikey thing (not bone ball)
opal plover
ok that was just you writing the setup for your (dumb) episode 4 concept
crisp lion
Your idea is worse, the DAWN sdk is for the cut levels, they're cut for a good reason.
Episode 4 will never BE cut levels.
crisp lion
You've been spamming the use of cut levels for Episode 4 since the cow went over the cheese wheel in the sky since Ep4 suggestions and discussions were a thing.
opal plover
that's not me and there isn't even a person doing that.
fast wigeon
ok i just searched "cut" and "ep4" on manniac and nothing of what ur saying shows up
your probably thinking of someone else
opal plover
take that you dweeb
Can't come up with a comeback huh? That's what i though sheaths katana
crisp lion
GSF and "Sound of an Inhaling Trumpet" said the meme, though the latter did like last year. Though I swear Manniacc posted something about "Episode 4 just being pre-release shit" unless I've gone down a downward spiral and it was some dumb dream, though Manniacc or the mods could've just as easily deleted the posts.
opal plover
Anyway a whole episode in Dusk would be neat but not as an "episode 4"
a huge part of the campain is the escalation of the stakes
crisp lion
Episodes don't have to be a giant staircase that continually builds up.
Otherwise you run out of sky, gravity, and physics decides to be a snitch. [Metaphor]
opal plover
yeah but still it would be the black sheep of the bunch
crisp lion
Not unless it's fun to play through and well designed.
Plus a Dusk-set episode would be just a way to provide a bridge to have realistic EP1-style themes with Ep2 and Ep3 enemies.
opal plover
and who said there needs to be an "episode 4" anyway?
I certainly think it wouldn't work
especially with how much shit is implied to go down for duskdude at the end of Ep3
crisp lion
coming from the same person that was saying "x doesn't work" and was another person (like me!) posting release day on x/y/z date.
Have some faith in David 🙃
opal plover
yeah but that's your idea not David's
crisp lion
when you don't have an argument so you twist words instead.
Also, remember, David said there's a possibility that gets increased that if DUSK goes well, there will probably be an Ep4 Eventually™
opal plover
is this like a serious arguement or something?
crisp lion
Not really no 🙃
opal plover
Sweet
crisp lion
Knowing David and NB we'll get some super little known reference in the ending where DUSKdude gets sent to a prison or prison dimension and basically pummels prisoners for the rest of eternity like Jet Li.
Or get's teleported into the server and becomes a meme or some shit (Especially knowing Dave)
delicate sail
DUSK life's a beach when?
opal plover
Dusk occult winter
delicate sail
DUSK Cultist Passage
crimson folio
thats episode 1 (alternate) sequel ?
jade root
Dusk Blueshift
delicate sail
Yeah, but they gotta make sure to just reuse the bosses of the original 3 episodes.
jade root
Experience dusk from a new set of eyes as you play as one of the last few soldiers in the town of dusk to not become possessed.
delicate sail
"everything was fine until the hupping started"
vague egret
hit up #lfg-signup and ask folks in #454345257027502082
you can probably get a match going
delicate violet
M8 that's awesome
clever wasp
cinematic mode is called "Dusk Console Port"
clever wasp
reduces the fps to 24, causes random texture stretching for no reason, and also adds ads for the upcoming DLC
and Big John has a 1/12345678 chance of saying "I banged your mom" if he kills you
graceful wing
👍
delicate violet
Are you guys implementing gyro controls for the switch port?
clever wasp
inb4 "do a flip"
clever wasp
this is going to end up like that one Zelda Skyward Sword speedrun where the runner was basically constantly doing front flip attacks
mild chasm
Come on you need to be able to say "I beat dusk with tilt controls"
clever wasp
swinging the wiimote by the strap and shit
graceful wing
nah switch gyro controls are pretty alright
they've gone a long way since the wii days
clever wasp
it's not whether they're alright or not
I mean
some jackass did Dark Souls with a DDR dance mat
at this point, control quality is basically irrelevant
it's more about what kind of insanity we will face with those controls
I mean someone is pretty much fated to beat Dusk with a steering wheel
so sky's the limit
mild chasm
Beat dusk with bananas for a controller
crimson folio
I will beat Dusk with an Atari 2600 controller with no hands.
clever wasp
honestly you might be able to
well, with hands
if you're really stupidly good at pacifist
that might be possible
crimson folio
I actually think you could get completionist with an N64 controller
I dunno with a SNES controller
clever wasp
SNES can
delicate violet
well, if you folks can put those gyro controls
I know like 3 friends that would buy it in an instant
crimson folio
Ya
delicate violet
They really work nicely in the few switch fps I've played
clever wasp
funny thing is, I do have a SNES controller by my side
crimson folio
The d pad would be wasd
clever wasp
I just don't think Dusk would pick it up
delicate violet
hell, if Doom 4 ran at 60fps, I'd consider the switch version to be the definitive console port
jade root
the d pad would NOT be wasd lol
crimson folio
How does it run on switch
jade root
60fps
delicate violet
30fps
crimson folio
I would use it as wasd
clever wasp
I'd guess dpad would be WAQE rather
jade root
i dont think its an option tbh
delicate violet
and has some bad frame pacing issues, even after the patch
clever wasp
I'd bind L and R to strafing
delicate violet
Aiming is done with the gyro
clever wasp
you know what
lemme test for a sec
I doubt it will pick it up since it's not XInput
crimson folio
Wait the snes had gyro aiming?
jade root
no
clever wasp
no, Elo is ranting about the Switch
crimson folio
Oh okay I was confused
jade root
as usual
crimson folio
Clearly the real way to play Dusk is with the zapper for NES
clever wasp
yeah Dusk does not pick it up
I have to set up X360CE, and I'm too lazy for that rn
that said, for whoever suggested bananas
this is possible
with the power of Arduino and X360CE
(but I wouldn't waste bananas on this endeavor)
delicate violet
I wasn't ranting tho
nocturne compass
Playing dusk with R.O.B
crimson folio
You must play Dusk with SNES, simply the only real way to play.
Actually the only way to play Dusk is with the virtual Boy
David please add a virtual boy color scheme in the options
nocturne compass
yes
mild ginkgo
That's literally already in the game
It's called "Virtual Blech"
Instead of Virtual Boy
clever wasp
by the way, tf does "Clown vomit" references
jade root
it isnt vinesauce
mild ginkgo
I don't think it's a reference to anything specifically , it's just a messy horrible color
jade root
if thats what you are thinking
clever wasp
not really
I admit I'm only familiar with Vinny's Tomodachi Life playthrough
(well, "playthrough")
delicate violet
Play Dusk with the kinect
clever wasp
I mean if you ask PC parts makers...
clever wasp
hey, what can I say, I like pink
crimson folio
There is nothing wrong with liking pink.
clever wasp
if I could build a pink and orange computer
I would christen it "Sunny D"
and promptly get flak for it
crimson folio
Sunny D in memory of Solaire of Astoria who died fighting Big John during the Virtual boy wars in 2003 RIP
This is so sad
Alexa play Big John theme.ogg
spare cobalt
wat
delicate sail
winged otter
just google fake factory cinematic mod
and look at the screenshots of NPCs
im not refunding oncology
delicate sail
Yeah, I remember looking into that once and immediately getting turned off by those generic and unnecessarily sexualized NPC redesigns
Anyway, this is probably something for #general-modding
flat juniper
I used to be obsessed with Cinematic Mod in it's older days, because it looked awesome and I couldn't run it, kind of like having a system too weak for Crysis.
By the time I could run it, the fucker made all of the character models into Michael Bay film characters and added way too much vegetation and random "detail" where it doesn't fit.
And though there's an option to use classic models, they just look off with the overly-detailed environment
Should have just made updated original models without plastic surgery cheeks and Triple-D tits
crystal vessel
.
flat juniper
wow I thought I was in gami_g, what is this conversation doing here
I can loop it back to DUSK uh....
delicate violet
We making something similar to dusk
flat juniper
UH DUSK DOESN'T HAVE THE THINGS THAT FAKEFACTORY HAS
delicate violet
Now all enemies will look like michael bay transformers
mild chasm
Dusk dude will now be a hot chick with giant boob
flat juniper
show bobs
delicate violet
I wouldn't mind if dusk guy turned out to be a cute girl
vague egret
you and every other waifu weeb
delicate violet
Indeed
fast wigeon
delicate violet
I said I wouldn't mind not that I want to
delicate violet
So duskdude can be a cute girl after all 
vague egret
i have no doubt one of you nerds will mod in "Dusk-Chan" or something similar
fast wigeon
yeah unless they retcon the pre-release docs
crisp lion
ugh
delicate violet
Oh yes
delicate sail
I'm sure there'll be a pitch mod once the SDK comes out
fast wigeon
i wouldnt mind if duskdude was a girl
crisp lion
Just play Ion Maiden stooges.
delicate violet
Ion Maiden only has one bloody map
It is a good map
And has fantastic gameplay
But is still one map
opaque spindle
to be fair you're the one that brought up ion maiden
fast wigeon
^^^^^^
delicate violet
I'm modding duskgirl m8
opaque spindle
No one said it was canon 🤔
opaque spindle
unless Dusk pulls a Doom and makes every mod canon
delicate violet
It is technically canon as the face and gender is up to the player famalam
crisp lion
The Joke / You \ ____>
delicate violet
But who cares if its canon tho
opaque spindle
fast wigeon
wait so is "the sky may be" canon
flat inlet
pirates had canons
fast wigeon
yes
crisp lion
All Doom Mods are canon.
fast wigeon
huh
delicate violet
Dusk Dude may as well be Carrie Fisher if the player wants
fast wigeon
thats rad
delicate sail
I'm just hyped for the comic, Dave said at one point in the not too distant past that the comic is "pretty much canon" now
flat inlet
perhaps duskdude is a canon?
fast wigeon
yeah
delicate violet
That would be cool
opaque spindle
perhaps Dusk is canon
fast wigeon
im honestly 100% expecting them to retcon what they wrote about duskdude in the prerelease docs
and replace it with the comic interpretation
opaque spindle
Alot of pre-release shit Dave and the gang have talked about have been scrapped tbh
I remember one random article where they said he was a treasure hunter?
opaque spindle
I have no idea
crisp lion
Welll there HAS been a vague idea of canon according to the devs.
opaque spindle
I don't think it is but who knows with dave
flat inlet
like a pirate
delicate violet
Yeah
delicate sail
Yeah, I believe it's still vaguely canon
delicate violet
Duskdude is a pirate now
delicate sail
At least I haven't seen him saying anything contradicting or revoking it
it being the treasure hunter thing 😉
crisp lion
Dave was the one who wanted a codex, not anymore lol
balmy sluice
Dusk dude is Eustace Bagge. there is no debate.
delicate sail
Guess we'll just have to wait for 1.0 to release...
opaque spindle
*everyone asked for
delicate violet
Dusk is post courage
flat juniper
Duskman is just a shadow being who does not emit light.
The cult actually summoned him, but realized it was a mistake so now they want to kill him to save the world, even if it means summoning even darker entities
flat inlet
No, he is the cult leader, he is just testing the security on his secret lairs
flat juniper
this is a headshot he had taken by a professional
you can't tell, but he's actually making that generic book author pose
mild chasm
Is that why you can kinda make out a sickle to the left of his face
flat juniper
Yeah, he likes to scratch his head with the sickle
flat inlet
does he have that big ears tho?
olive tusk
any new updates yet I haven't been on here in awhile
mild chasm
E3M1-6 are fully complete as I recall
the rest are playable from start to finish but are going through critique AKA fleshing them out and crap I'm sure
Also I think it's been confirmed that EP3 has multiple secret levels
olive tusk
nice can't wait thanks also any new level for amidevil yet
mild ginkgo
yep, episode 5 should be out in like a week or two
dim valve
@mild chasm I thought that was just Jab being sarcastic again?
mild chasm
It might be
that's why I said "I think"
But he seems so insistent about it and nobody has really batted him down about it so
opaque spindle
yeah I don't think he's being sarcastic about it but idk
dim valve
You get to the end of the secret level but then you use a wall in the lower-right corner of the hallway and it opens the elevator to the second secret level within the secret level
olive tusk
ok thanks for the info can't wait keep up the good work
olive tusk
sounds good to me can't wait
opal plover
also E3MS2 is touhou apparently
rare musk
Based
opal plover
what is this mickey mouse bullshit i see before my very eyes?
anyway what the fuck is this level
gleaming berry
idk somewhere in ep 3
crisp lion
E3M10 confirmed to go back to Dusk, much to the disgust of Duskdude.
opal plover
traumatic flashback to duskdude's childhood where he was beat up by a gang of bullies in the woods
Also after seeing the shit in Ep 2 I think he'd much rather go back to Dusk.
gleaming berry
opal plover
I fucking knew it of course there's some shit in duskdude's past
crisp lion
opal plover
duskdude never swore to not return, he just hoped never to
opal plover
You call that a meme? At this point we might as well go back to spamming Big John quotes.
Also that could have in theory been a screen of E1MS2
graceful wing
😉
opal plover
The stars are slowly but surely aligning
crisp lion
E P I S O D E 3 W H E N
opal plover
crisp lion
E P I S O D E 3 N O W
graceful wing
5 minutes ago
crisp lion
We're reaching Death Grips levels of hype.
graceful wing
It just went live haha XD
opal plover
DID IT?!?
crisp lion
J U S T
graceful wing
atomic egret
you'll know when.
crisp lion
As Franky said: You'll know when it happens ;)
graceful wing
when we do announce a date it'll probably be weeks before release
opal plover
How many though?
graceful wing
Partly cause we want to surprise you guys and not be killjoys with a release date months into the future..
And partly cause we have no damn idea when the episode's going to be done heh
jade root
Eventually™
graceful wing
Cancelled™
crisp lion
haha yes
graceful wing
.img haha yes
hollow ivyBOT
graceful wing
Aye. Would be spam hell if that command was public
opal plover
.img haha yes
graceful wing
Like my google api key would reach it's limit in like 5 minutes lol
crisp lion
Mini Crocmans™
opal plover
"mans"?
crisp lion
I'm pretty sure it was said, or implied that the Episode 2 boss in E3M10 would have smaller, weaker variants.
I say "implied" and "would" for obvious reasons.
opal plover
no I was talking about the grammar
crisp lion
It wasn't meant to be serious m80.
opal plover
That's what they all say
atomic egret
😄
atomic egret
no.
crisp lion
fast wigeon
wait what level is that
crisp lion
E3M???
fast wigeon
o shit so there could be a level where you go back to the surface
they teased at it with the secret in blood and bone
crisp lion
well if David respects the Lovecraft lore, the nameless city would be in Arabia, not Pennsylvania.
also I'm pretty sure the end text of E2, or a statement explicitly stated TNC is in an alternative dimension or universe.
clever wasp
wait which secret ?
fast wigeon
in the dark rooms of blood and bone
theres a secret room where you can see the outside world
fast wigeon
one of my favourite secrets possibly in any game ever, cos it has so much story implications
no it is an actual secret area
clever wasp
I was thinking "wtf I never saw that yet I have completionist"
crisp lion
Blood and Bone is set in a giant Concrete structure, not underground.
fast wigeon
i didnt say it was underground
clever wasp
I mean considering the drop, you can easily be forgiven for thinking that
fast wigeon
honestly i think once you enter the thresher in e2m3, youve kind of left the real world
thats the point where you start seeing shit that possibly isnt real and from other dimensions
clever wasp
not really, I mean as far as we know, E2 still is in pennsylvania
fast wigeon
like how is skylab a thing that exists in the real world
crisp lion
Maybe the world of DUSK becomes a dystopia after Dusk gets sealed.
Hell, the events of E1 are mostly set outside the Containment Wall.
fast wigeon
yeah, only the last 2 levels are actually in dusk
maybe once you go inside the walls you start seeing shit
crisp lion
Well the whole story *implies the fucked up shit appears because the US government and US military have gone apeshit with demon knowledge.
clever wasp
same goes for the thresher
fast wigeon
also how come when your actually in the skylab level you cant see the buildings that are suspending it
that always seemed weird
crisp lion
The Thresher is used as a mincer to get tasty Dusk citizen flesh (and animals, and POWs, and prisoners in general, and whatever else)
fast wigeon
to get fuel for the portal
crisp lion
the Skylab uses demon knowledge to defy gravity
The Thresher isn't the full fuel source.
fast wigeon
i mean you can clearly see after you fight big john its being suspended by skyscrapers
crisp lion
Blood and Bone implies via level design that Green Energy is the other source of power.
clever wasp
I don't think the Thresher is a glorified meatgrinder, at least there is no part that would actually fill that role in it. even the room with the blue key, if it is a meatgrinder, is a spectacularly poorly designed one
fast wigeon
yea ik what the threshers for
well atleast as much as i can know from vauge environment hints
crisp lion
Green Energy + Demon flesh magiks = demon magik energy
the crossbow fires bolts made from (or powered by said energy)
Have to take into account this is a game.
the design of levels are the way they are for the purpose of gameplay and fun.
crisp lion
It's "realistic metaphor" level design
clever wasp
"believable" is incompatible with a game that has the Escher labs
fast wigeon
believable within the worlds established rules
clever wasp
right
fast wigeon
nothing about any fantasy media is realistic but many of them are still believable, cos theyre consistent
opal plover
The skylab isn't what you see from the big john arena
I guess that's just an advanced teleportation labs, which takes you to the skylab
clever wasp
that said the entrance of said lab is still, quite literally, a few hundreds feet up the air
opal plover
Yeah that's to show how unimaginably high in the air neobabel is I guess
clever wasp
or, the alternate take is that teleportation works like cell reception, aka if you have obstructions in the way, long range teleportation is stupid
and Neobabel would then be high in the air, but at a completely different location
not like right above Dusktown
besides since Neobabel seems to be at least semi-connected to whatever facility is Blood & Bone taking place in, it very likely isn't in Duskville
opal plover
Yeah but it still seems to be the same rural pennsylvania area
clever wasp
I'm not up to date with topography, but maybe Pennsylvania is just... kind of flat ?
I don't really know, but that could help
I mean flat relative to, say, Switzerland
as in, not peppered with random mountain peaks here and there
opal plover
Also I don't see what else the thresher could be other than a mass human sacrifice machine.
clever wasp
if it is, it's not a very good one, since the only thing remotely looking like a meat processor is the blue key room
and the walkway (by the way, walkway. not "conveyor belt" or anything of the sort) is just preposterously large for that to be any sort of efficient
I guess the final room with the three amigos Wendigos also sort of counts ?
I mean it's not less efficient than blue key room
opal plover
I doubt either the blue key room or the final room were for meat though
clever wasp
aside from those two there aren't any contenders
opal plover
Well it's not like accurate meat processing would be prioritised over level design
clever wasp
I mean it's sort of a wasted opportunity for more level hazards
there are a few saw poles here and there, but honestly the level could use more
especially in the vents
E2M3 does it, to be fair (once)
opal plover
Anyway you still haven't said what it could be other than that.
clever wasp
the end result of a torture facility is my only clue
in a "you either join the Cult or die" way
opal plover
And where could you get the meat for the altars in E2M8 from?
clever wasp
I dunno, pray that the Wendigos leave some
opal plover
And that makes even less sense, where is all of the torture stuff and why are there moving sawblades and such
Thing is at this point you might aswell say that E1M7 isn't a farm because it doesn't have a field
You don't need something to be accurate to understand it's nature in something like dusk, you just get a basic idea and that's all you need in a game that prioritizes level design.
solar olive
Streets of rage 4 was announced before episode 3's release. Let that sink in.
clever wasp
shit takes time to become good
have faith in David
(also SoR4 will probably not be released before september 2019 anyway)
fast wigeon
i wanna replay dusk again but im waiting until ep3 comes out to do it
fast spire
Same here
clever wasp
play with the clown vomit filter
fast spire
I mean, it’s hard for me to get burned out on these type of games
Probably cause there’s something wrong with me
But I’m still gonna wait
fast wigeon
there was one period where i basically played dusk everyday, and i got burnt out
thats how ive got 90+ hours
fast spire
Lol
Sounds like me with Vermintide 2
Except I doubt you had the HUD burned into your vision... unlike me
vale oar
E. P. I. S. O. D. E. 3. W. H. E. N.
clever wasp
let's just establish that if you start having a Tetris effect on any game, that's a bad thing(r)
fast spire
Aye it is
Didn’t stop me
Stay up playing V2. In the morning start drifting to sleep. When I closed my eyes, I saw the fucking hud. I once accidentally shouted out “my meter’s full!”
fast wigeon
i get the tetris effect for games even if i play for a reasonable amount of time
like an hour or 2 at most
fast spire
Tetris Effect... can’t wait
fast wigeon
i mean its not like hallucinations or anythin its just the game pops up a lot in my minds eye unexpectedly
fast spire
What do u get it for?
clever wasp
I've had a few times where I woke up in the middle of the night because I had dreamt of a solution to fix whatever piece of software I was working on at the moment
fast spire
I once had a hallucination about Hotline Miami
That was fun (not really)
Thank fuck I have cut back on playing games
Exceptions being Dusk, Amid Evil, Darkwood etc.
fast wigeon
ive never really played more than 2 hours a day
a game has to be really special for me to play it for more than 2 hour sessions
fast spire
Same here
clever wasp
I can play the dumbest shit for 10 hours straight if I really got a bone to pick with it
I once attempted to find the lousiest game I could speedrun
like, not complete garbage, but close
I settled on a game called X-Kaliber on the SNES (btw, go check its soundtrack, gonna sound real familiar to some people)
I can't even finish the damn game
and I legit tried for 10 hours
and the game is like, at best, a solid 3/10
talk about wasting time
balmy sluice
Kind of getting off topic
clever wasp
aye, aye
fast spire
Aye we can move to gami g
balmy sluice
clever wasp
not that I don't care, but for one, I have other shit on my plate rn
frail shuttle
Yall told me the mouse pad sucks but it's working out well for me. I've had much worse.
And it looks cool 👍
crimson folio
When’s pax?
frail shuttle
Got a new doom 2 PB with this thing.
clever wasp
like this weekend @crimson folio
crimson folio
You fool I am not a nerd I am a normie get it correct @jade root 😤😤😤😤
jade root
then fucking use google
eternal fulcrum
Lol
mild chasm
August 31st to September 3rd
that's west
And then AUS is October 26th to 28th
I think they actually went to AUS last year
jade root
pax aus is just a myth
vale oar
jab is just a myth
fast wigeon
y dont u want to exist jab
mild chasm
He's probably just self-aware enough to realize he's very bad not good
but not self-aware enough to figure out how to change it
as such he hopes that he's not real
Or maybe he's just edgy
fast wigeon
maybe
vale oar
prolly
eternal fulcrum
Edgy jab
prisma ivy
Sad jab :(
woeful sonnet
count jabula
vale oar
Jabless City
jade root
i come back to this shitstorm and you wonder why i dont want to exist
fast wigeon
“Life isn't about waiting for the shitstorm to pass...It's about learning to dance in the shit.”
molten peak
Sounds like terrible dialogue for generic drill Sergeant Johnson Mendez Ramirez Jenkins Palinski Shepherd
clever wasp
everyone calls him Big John anyway
vale oar
lmao
mild chasm
You'll @ everyone about it 3 days after EP3 is released 
opaque spindle
episode 3 comes out right now
get ready gamers
All the stuff you've seen is all a lie
its a Visual Novel
starring Dusk-chan
sly path
Wow what a Switch.
opaque spindle
Final Boss is wooing subnautica-chan
mild chasm
Is subnautica-chan the name of that big creature in the alien [SPOILER]
opaque spindle
yes
crimson folio
episode 5 of AE is similar in that it's a visual novel but you play as leon trying to woo color theory 
opaque spindle
to eat some chinese food
crimson folio
mild ginkgo
Semi confirmed
eternal fulcrum
Just found the secret level of ep 2 (i know I'm late) and holy shit best level in the game so far.
crisp lion
E1M7 vs E3M2
opal plover
Yeah E3M2 is great
crisp lion
There's some unknown level using "6_Mellow_loop" which I guess could be E3M6 but bigly doubt.
opal plover
Is it an ambient track?
crisp lion
Border between Ambient and metal
opal plover
Oh yeah kinda like the first part of skinwalker
crisp lion
A bit quieter than EP2 song 1 amb_loop
E2M5's my favourite mellow track, and with E3M2 as my fav ambient track (Grand_Daarkness_loop)
opal plover
I'm also a big fan of city of shadows' ambient track, it just feels so cold
vast tangle
My fav "ambient" track is either E2M1 or E1M9
opal plover
crisp lion
Same level, bone monk, ambient sound an all™
acoustic oriole
does E3's other dimension have a name? I'm guessing "The Nameless City" is merely a... nameless city... inside the other dimension
crisp lion
yes that is the dimensions name yes
vale oar
Episode 1: The Foothills
Episode 2: The Facilities
Episode 3: [404 Name not found]
fast wigeon
i just noticed that if you sleep with over 100 morale, it resets you morale back to 100
opal plover
I T S A F E A T U R E
fast wigeon
🤔
opal plover
Oversleeping
fast wigeon
fast wigeon
crimson folio
Why do the fork maidens shoot magic pitchforks?
Because spoons are illegal in dusk
vale oar
There is no spoon.
crimson folio
What about sporks and foons?
Also illegal
Only forks
I don't make the rules guy
Suggestion the final boss theme should be a djent dubstep remix of despacito made in Noteworthy Composer and vocals by Microsoft San
*sam
dank
Dude to be perfectly honest with this channel the Crossbow’s mechanics are actually pretty awesome and versatile
My favorite weapon in game
delicate sail
Has this been posted here before? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDgPkhWSvgY
vale oar
FUCK
fast wigeon
ok im just gonna cover the left side of the screen with my hand
i saw a fucking tornado and thats enough
fast wigeon
wait does he say any spoilers in the interview
vale oar
Okay there is nothing more except that tornado thing, just checked that out
crimson folio
new weapon SPOILER ALERT
delicate sail
Yah
vale oar
new WHAT
fast wigeon
i wonder if there are any new non-boss enemies we havent seen yet
i feel like weve seen all of them now
vale oar
i'm almost sure there are
opaque spindle
I'm sure there is more
clever wasp
he said there will be a BFG
fast wigeon
we got the fire dudes, the bone monks, cartdogs, horrors, bone and blood spewing thingies
wait when
crimson folio
🚔 🖐 
🖐
fast wigeon
i thought no new weapons was a confirmed thing
delicate sail
Yeah, that's what I thought
vale oar
I think u misunderstood something guys
vale oar
dammit
vale oar
timecode plz, cant find it
fast wigeon
around 2:10
delicate sail
2:10
fast wigeon
what other things have they denied being in the game
cos we might end up seeing them also
opaque spindle
Well then
delicate sail
Maybe that's not final yet? Who knows...
opaque spindle
thats surprising
crimson folio
ai ai ai
delicate sail
You never know what Dave comes up with
vale oar
He always comes up with SPOILERRRZZZZ
fast wigeon
makes me wonder if theres going to be 2 secret levels aswell
like jab says
if theyre adding a new weapon this late, anything goes really
crimson folio
delicate sail
Maybe it's like the Chronoscepter in T1
Just a super OP weapon with like 3 ammo for the entire game
fast wigeon
t1?
delicate sail
Turok
fast wigeon
o
i wonder if theyll go back and add the new weapon to ep1 and 2
or just leave it as an ep3 exclusive
delicate sail
Or parts of the new weapon 😉
delicate sail
I mean it rather seems like the soul cube of Doom 3. Something with a particular purpose in game
Rather than something that they'll add in Ep1+2
clever wasp
I mean it will prolly be available through cheats
delicate sail
I think it'll be designed to be op but only available for a limited time or in the very end or something
vague egret
Weapon list is pretty much locked in already. Don't expect anything on that front
delicate sail
Dave does say it in the interview though
fast wigeon
then what the heck is dave on about then
vague egret
Dave says a lot of things
winged otter
its poo on stick
frozen heart
Dave ruining things as always
fast wigeon
i feel like there is actually a new wep and uve all been part of a cover up
clever wasp
we shall see
delicate sail
Yeah, and now people are trying to paddle back and cover it up 😃
vague egret
If we did, Dave wouldnt leak it in a random con interview
frozen heart
Yes he would
fast wigeon
but why would he lie
clever wasp
it might not be a weapon at all
frozen heart
Stop lying
crimson folio
a triple shot riveter
fast wigeon
like he has no good reason to lie about something like that
delicate sail
Oh yeah, could be a device of some sort
fast wigeon
oo or maybe a powerup
crimson folio
YE
delicate sail
Oh yeah!
fast wigeon
we havent seen any new powerups yet
clever wasp
powerup that replaces all bullets with soap
delicate sail
Laying the foundation for DW soap wars
crimson folio
that tornado though...
fast wigeon
he could have been drunk or just a little messed up cos of quakecon and maybe let a leak slip or said something that wasnt in the game
guy was probably tired af and slightly drunk
fast wigeon
rad
clever wasp
boss gotta be the Great Unclean One
fast wigeon
Dirty Dude (15,000/15,000)
mild ginkgo
Anyways you'll see all that same gameplay direct captured in a few days
It's the same demo we're gonna stream from pax
And as for weapon stuff, I wouldn't count on it
Dave does dave
opaque spindle
I don't think Dave really realizes what he's saying half the time
mild ginkgo
I just want to make sure nobody is expecting something they shouldnt
We like to be pretty straightforward with our messaging
fast wigeon
alright
dont know how he would get a detail that large wrong tho, when hes involved in the development of the game
mild ginkgo
I mean, it could happen, but I just want you to keep your expectation for that low
fast wigeon
fair enough
crimson folio
soap gun never ever
mild ginkgo
For clarity,as far as I'm aware, there has been exactly zero development put towards a new weapon
Granted, there are previous weapons that were cut that could be added back
clever wasp
like that mace thing ?
mild ginkgo
It's a staff, but yeah
mild ginkgo
I want the jet pack to not be cut anymore :(
fast wigeon
what there was a jetpack
mild ginkgo
Sort of not really
flat juniper
sounds more fun than grappling hooks
clever wasp
jetpack in DW pls
fast wigeon
na grapplin hooks are better
clever wasp
so we can send surface to air rivets
crimson folio
the jetpack was a setback
mild ginkgo
It was never really even close to being a thing, but the idea existed, along with a small amount of code
fast wigeon
polish it up a little and leave it in the SDK
mild ginkgo
We'll see what you guys end up getting, there are still mechanics and things that haven't been used yet, maybe they will be, maybe they won't
Maybe you'll have to wait for dusk mission packs
clever wasp
btw, I suppose it will be possible to make DW maps ?
mild ginkgo
That's the plan
clever wasp
and DW modes ?
fast wigeon
cant wait for someone to convert facing worlds into dusk
clever wasp
THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING
fast wigeon
or any ut99 map
prisma kestrel
dusk judas23
fast wigeon
theyre all amazing
mild ginkgo
We might convert skylab into that
clever wasp
Deck16
mild ginkgo
We'll see
clever wasp
well Dusk16
clever wasp
roger, crossbows everywhere
clever wasp
I mean there definitely is teleportation in Dusk, so it shouldn't be too hard to mod the translocator in
mild ginkgo
Stuff might never see the light of day, but who knows
fast wigeon
is just converting a mp map from another game with new textures even legal
what how is it a meme map