fallen-aces-modding

[teal axle]

have you thought about making the maze and adding palookas ........

[stark path]

that's some dialog heavy map, respect

[teal axle]

lmao luckily its not gonna be mine 😭

[stark path]

i think i heard it's gonna be ashx00's next big release.
after palooka maze

[teal axle]

palooka maze is going to be peak

[floral mauve]

it probably isnt

im on the maze portion rn

i dont think i can figure out the big doors youll have to find buttons to tho

ill find a way never mind

[stark path]

but it still gonna be good

[floral mauve]

maybe

its my first level, possibly

im trying to paste an image of the maze

do i not have image perms

like im finished with the maze

now i just gotta add the palookas you gotta run away from

i've officially added in the big palookas

now i've gotta figure out how your supposed to make the doors you gotta open with buttons

[stark path]

• place a door (add a 'thing', then right click > 'general' > 'definition' > search for 'door')
• place a button (add a thing, then right click > 'general' > 'definition' > search for 'button')
• attach button to the wall by rotating it in the wall direction and placing it next to the wall (rotate by right click > general > angle, white line emitting from button should be directed to the wall)
• send event on button click: first do right click the button > 'decal' > 'special' > select button, then there will be a property 'event on press', where you set the event (just a number)
• make the door unlock on the event (right click the door > 'door' > set the same number to the 'unlock on event' field)
• make the door locked by default, so player can't open it without using the button: right click the door > 'door' > check 'lockable', and then 'settings' > check 'locked'

[floral mauve]

ok

[stark path]

that's not readable and not complete, let me fix

updated

i think that covers it

[floral mauve]

while you were editing it i was putting on the textures for the main labryinth

[stark path]

efficient

[floral mauve]

oh yeah also how in the world do i make the level end actually

is it another thing that i have to use

[stark path]

how do you wanna end it

by pressing something or by entering some area

[floral mauve]

i wanna end it with an escape you know

area

[stark path]

wait another 5min i guess

[floral mauve]

oh wait are you gonna put out another paragraph

aight then

[stark path]

but that would be the last one, no worries

[floral mauve]

ok

imma put on animal crossing music with rain in the background while i work with the doors now

[stark path]

that's the way

To end a level (one of the ways):

• create an event trigger: create a thing > go to definition > search for event trigger
• in trigger properties (right click the trigger) you can configure it's size and events you wanna emit on, for example, entering the area
• create a script file: right next to the txt definition of your level create 'Scripts' directory and create txt file there
• put the script there:

Main()
{
EndLevel();
}

• then back in the editor create a script instance: create a thing > definition > script
• in script properties (right click) go to 'script' tab, set the name of the script file you wrote earlier and set the event on which you should execute the script (the same event which you trigger by entering the area)

then in the game if you step into that area, the level should end

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second way: put the fuckin car in the middle of the maze

no further explanation

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it's better be a good maze

[floral mauve]

its definitely a maze

question

do enemies just roam around normally

or do i have to set up one of those patrol thingys

[stark path]

oh, i haven;t worked with enemies so far, so not sure

if you want them to move even before they see you then i'd expect that yeah you have to deal with waypoints (the patrol thingy)

but again - not sure

[floral mauve]

fuck it im putting in the car

[teal axle]

try making the script i swear its not that hard

[floral mauve]

ok fine

[teal axle]

lets gooo

[indigo sable]

makes me wonder if we should have some preset scripts or something for simple cases like "end level"

[floral mauve]

rq i wanna save how do i do that

i know i gotta press the save button but how do i do that properly

[tawdry parrot]

Enemies will not roam around on their own no. You have to give them set patrols.

[floral mauve]

oh

[teal axle]

as in being able to set them up inside of the editor?

a preset tab in the script thing with would come in handy tbh

[indigo sable]

I just mean having some pre-existing scripts that you could select

so you don't have to write them yourself

[teal axle]

yeah that'd be nice

having setMoveState and setLightState as pre-existing scripts would also be nice, that way you'd only need to type in the variables

only downside is that you would need to know which variables they are

[floral mauve]

how do i do patrols

i've been workin on it for a bit and i placed all the buttons for the doors

i have a tin little outdoor area as well cuz why not

[tawdry parrot]

Check the steam guide

[floral mauve]

fine

[tawdry parrot]

It's what it's there for.

[floral mauve]

ok i wanna save rn how do i save it properly

i know i cant just press the save button somewhere and thats it

its probably on the guide

anyone have a png of big palloka i need it for the poster of my level

[echo oyster]

i mean there is already a preset located in acesdata\scripts for both of them

[floral mauve]

fuck i think i didnt save correctly

i swear to god if i lost all my work on my big palooka maze of doom

i think i lost all my progress

[teal axle]

yeah but you have to set them up outside of the editor

[teal axle]

how so

[floral mauve]

i dont know man im just afraid i lost all my progress

i dont see the backups folder

does that mean it didnt save

idk how to acess my level again

does that mean i just dont have a level now does that mean i lost it

[teal axle]

the backup folder only appears if you save the level twice

overwriting

[floral mauve]

really?

well i've been trying to load the level for who knows how long and i am not able to

idk if i can load it anymore

WAIT

IT WORKS

THE THING APPEARS IN THE EPISOIDE THING

i cant play it

im slowly getting closer to giving up and letting you do it

i cant seem to get to the chapter itself

imma go play hearts of palooka now

[teal axle]

how have you set up your chapterinfo

[floral mauve]

maybe uh i didnt get the name right

for the world file name am i able to put spaces in it or am i supposed to use underscore

i've got chapterinfo set up like
title = "big palooka.exe's labryinth";
order = 0;
world_file_name = "big palooka's maze of doom.txt";
i somehow dont remember what i exactly named the level so im just trying a few things

[teal axle]

maybe you can't have spaces in your txt name

[echo oyster]

sure came a long way, huh

[viscid tinsel]

now THATS ambience

[shadow dew]

oh hell yeah

looks amazing

[echo oyster]

damn, thanks fellas

[echo oyster]

tiny improvements

[vestal musk]

how to make small sectors close to the ground? They start to Z-fighting although I saw in the vanilla game that they can be done, as the example is broken lying tile in the third chapter. But when I try to do something like this, their texture disappears although everything is displayed normally in the editor

[gray marten]

Do you have another layer you can use?

Cause you really shouldn't have your room, and your 3d decor on for said room on the same layer

Cause quite a bit of problems 😕

I would suggest making a layer for 3d decor if you didn't already

[vestal musk]

Yes, this is on a separate layer

[echo oyster]

Not sure on this one, try having a tiny gap between the floor and the inverted sector

[echo oyster]

shitty ass fucking haircut

[gray marten]

Trey... Theoretically... Would it be possible to upload a mod to the steam workshop that changes some of the code?

[stuck hazel]

Probably not.

[tawdry parrot]

Naw.

[gray marten]

DAMNIT

[indigo sable]

Allowing full code mods would be a security risk because the execution environment is too privileged

Expanding the scripting support instead is the way

[gray marten]

Ofc ofc, I just wanted to tweak the cooldowns and behaviors a little for harder combat

[echo oyster]

you'll prtobably have to change enemy placements for harder combat

and probably design the level around harder combat

[gray marten]

Ofc ofc

[gray marten]

would it be possible in the future to be able to import our own models for our levels?

[gray marten]

Also to add to this, will there EVER be the possibility to modify enemy sprites? I'm aware you can make like custom consumables and weapons, we just need the final pieces of the puzzle to utter PEAK

[indigo sable]

It's something we would like to do for sure, but it's a complicated issue

It's squarely in the "we're looking into it" category at the moment

[gray marten]

Ight cool cool

[gray marten]

Also, in the future would you be able to import models or is that a no?

[indigo sable]

That's something we're also looking into yeah

There are a few ways it can be done, just need to come to a consensus on how we want to do it

[gray marten]

This shit abouta be peak 🥹

[gray marten]

Also if I may ask, how do you make custom decals? I'm a little puzzled

[indigo sable]

I'm not personally familiar with the workflow for decals (programmer not a mapper )

[gray marten]

I'll see if I can get someone else to help me with it (my bad bro )

[tawdry parrot]

Yes, you use spritepacker to do that.

[vestal musk]

No, custom weapons are not possible, at least for now.

[soft surge]

is that Rapture?

[marble crane]

Sometimes when i want to ''add things'' it only seems to add camera perspectives. I'm not really sure how i'm messing it up.😅

[vestal musk]

You need to make decal itself with spritepacker and then add it into "decals" text file using another decals as template.
So that this is displayed and works in the editor, it is necessary that the code is in vanilla text files, but to make them part of the mod and made them work for another players you need to copy all custom code from "props", "decals", etc. and put it into "decorate" text file in core folder of your mod before publishing

[vestal musk]

Add thing then choose what this thing will be by picking first option in menu that opens when RMB your thing object

[frank crown]

How do I access and use the cutout tool? I can't find it

[gray marten]

I forget, which tool? I know the layout I just forgot what that tool exactly does 😔

Cause if I know what it does I can point you too it

[frank crown]

Its used for cutting holes in existing geometry

[gray marten]

Ohh, that's under sectors

[frank crown]

Alright thanks

[gray marten]

Yeah there's two versions of it

Left to right

And

Up to down

[frank crown]

cut t/b and cut l/r right

[gray marten]

Ja

[frank crown]

oh thats what that means. cut top/bottom and cut left/right

@gray marten Ok so how do I actually use that? The guide didn't touch on that at all despite it being possibly the most confusing tool

[gray marten]

Okay so top to bottom is for like changing the floor/ceiling height

Not sure about left to right tho

[frank crown]

Figured it out

[gray marten]

That's the spirit ❤️‍🩹

[frank crown]

I ended up just not using the tool at all lmao, found a work around

[gray marten]

Yeah, I never really used it tbh

[frank crown]

It's not optimized at all but fuck it I'm not making a big map

It'll be fine, and if it isn't, I'll combat that when I know more

Future me problem

[frank crown]

Hey I wanted to do a quick test on my map, but I can't find it in the mission select. When I checked the map, it was a .txt file and not a .bvh like in the steam guide. Is something wrong or is this normal?

[gray marten]

its normal, cause i believe the steam guide only covers uploading to the workshop

you can steal the heirarchy from one of the offical levels and use that for playtesting

[frank crown]

oh ok

[frank crown]

ok so i dont actually know what that means

[gray marten]

You can look in the files in /episodes, go into /hearts of glass

and steal one of the levels and pretty much gut out the actual level

and replace it with yours

[frank crown]

That seems like a very destructive way of doing things

[gray marten]

dont forget to replace the level path in the chapter info

[gray marten]

just copy and paste the level, and use the copy

the offical one i mean

[frank crown]

oh ok

[echo oyster]

What's the best image size for textures?

[marble crane]

I was wondering that myself. big wall brick textures vs smaller posters, cusions size etc...

[tawdry parrot]

Keep them in power of 2. Most textures are 512x512 bigger ones are 1024x1024. You can use any size but I tend to keep them 512 to have that old-school look and save a lil memory.

[echo oyster]

also one more thing about textures if y don't mind

how exactly are FA textures made?

i assume that they are photos traced over, but I'd love to know where the photos come from in that case

[tawdry parrot]

I'll probably do a video on how I make textures. It's a bit of everything. There's no one technique. But typically yeah most are traced over photo refs. I usually do all the outlines on a separate layer in PS then paint over the under image. Or a lot of the time I will simply apply the PS cutout filter to a photo and add lines on top of it. Sometimes textures are drawn from scratch, other times I photobash different elements in PS from things I find online or photos I take and blend them into a texture.

[plush sinew]

i wonder how long its going to take for some guy to recreate all of doom 2

[vestal musk]

I have some strange bug - AceEd does not work in windowed mode, it opens simply as the top part of the window where the "Close" and "Minimize" buttons are, without the program itself.
Fortunately, it can still be switched to full-screen mode via hotkeys, but it still worries me.
I googled similar problems from the Windows side, but recovery does not work, and changing the window size using the arrow keys does not work either.
Any ideas on how to fix this?

[marble crane]

The doors updating live in the editor is lovely! very usefull.

[tawdry parrot]

It definitely works in windowed mode.

[vestal musk]

It worked for me too at the beginning. But yesterday I launched it and in windowed mode it's only a title bar. I already tried reinstalling the game, it didn't help

[tawdry parrot]

Whoever made "reference" workshop map you are a madman.

[stuck hazel]

The first step towards ||myhouse.goon||.

[shadow dew]

yeah it's really impressive

i hope the creator makes more stuff

[vague wren]

Finally made and uploaded correctly my first map!!!! (first map... ever, of any game :D) With notes, intro video... is just a silly map with some memes of the Euskal Encounter but wanted to see if the notes and movies were also allowed 🙂

[stark path]

hehehe

[stark path]

i didn't get that reference

[teal axle]

its a doom map that sort of does what reference does, play with your mind

unless you said that just for the pun lmao

[stark path]

nope, never heard of that, thx

[stark path]

i've made a mistake and started working on the next floor almost right after i finished the first one

and then burned out after a few things in a row that didn't work as i wanted

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maybe at some point there will be an update with 'add a 0 button' changelog but it will actually add a whole new chapter

[stark path]

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i've just watched 2h long video about myhouse

the feeling when you have some idea - not even idea, just the thought of a sketch of an idea - and then you see it fully designed and implemented.

and then that designed and implemented idea is just a tiny part of a much bigger thing

and then it was all done years ago

humbling

[teal axle]

well whatever idea you had hasn't been made for fallen aces

you can always do your own twists and such, so don't let that demotivate you

[stark path]

no, i think it already has penis map

[teal axle]

but not a penis map with a twist

[stark path]

oh. my. god.

[stuck hazel]

Sounds painful.

[gray marten]

just tried it, posted my opinion on it in the comments

[echo oyster]

Having a twisted penis sounds very painful

[marble crane]

Can doors (things) be orienten horizontally? to make a hatch or air duct entry.

[gray marten]

I don't think so

[teal axle]

you could make a breakable vent instead, not the same but does the job

[echo oyster]

if ya want an openable hatch you could make that happen with usable regions and movable geometry

not as easy as doors

[vestal musk]

I just found out there's more than one room. So that's why everyone is so hyped about this "very short" level.

[indigo sable]

Certified?

[stark path]

how many buttons can you press there?

very important

[echo oyster]

Crap i forgot to add the button that raises the forks

That's essential

[stark path]

mandatory one usable button to hit the quota

[echo oyster]

His ass is NOT certified

In fact he caused 200 fatal accidents in 2 hours

[vestal musk]

Why don't NPCs have a "Spawn on easy" checkbox like props do? How can I make it so that there are fewer enemies on easy levels or is it possible to only have them on medium and below?

[teal axle]

i always thought all NPCs spawn on easy by default (so that's why there's no checkbox) but i'm actually not sure

[echo oyster]

i think that enemies who don't spawn on normal also don't spawn on easy

enemies who spawn on normal also spawn on easy

[vestal musk]

I just wanted some difficult enemies to not appear on easy difficulty at all in some places, or to be replaced with easier variations.

I made it so that there was a difference in difficulty on hard and medium/easy, but I wanted to add another gradation for easy

By the way, how do I know where the front and back of the door are? I find out just by playtesting every time with every door.

[tawdry parrot]

Front is always on the right side of the door pivot

[stark path]

i have questions:

1. can i change object property from script? for example: change texture offset, decal rotation, inverted section rotation (i think movable geo only allows you to move, not to rotate)
2. can i spawn goons/npcs/props from script without placing them on the map in the editor?
3. in chapter 1 there is a barbershop and the NPC gives you key if you deal with the goons. In the editor i see that the key is configured to be inside of NPC but i don't see where is it configured that NPC can throw the key. Is it something hardcoded into the NPC?

[teal axle]

for the last one, you can use the DropInventory method in a script although i'm not too sure how would it work with an NPC since there isn't a "event on interact/talk" with them

but it would be: DropInventory("entity with item", "location to drop");

for the location to drop you can either use -1 (which would be mike), or anything with a tag

[stark path]

oh, it will also probably say some generic thing which will ruin my immersion

[teal axle]

probably lmao, i've only used it with a body so its lootable

[stark path]

that's cool and im stealing that

[teal axle]

lets gooo

only thing i dont know is how to make the body uninteractable afterwards

[teal axle]

weird petition but any chance we could get ShakeScreen's intensity variable to use decimals? (if possible)

[meager latch]

Guessing it's basically 0 to 100 at the moment?

[teal axle]

i'm not sure what's the max, but 1 already shakes too much

it's understandable since it's probably just made for explosions and stuff

[echo oyster]

how about adding a music and dialouge option for audio players?

would be cool to have a way to play custom music that can be controlled by the music volume setting

[median mason]

Yep something like that will be added

[vestal musk]

How does moveable geometry work? I tried to figure it out myself and look at samples in vanilla levels, but I didn't understand anything

[teal axle]

what have you already tried?

you need a MovableGeometry thing (with a tag you'll also need to set in your sectors' MovableGeometry field), a MovableState thing where you'll input the actual movement, and a script thing with the 'setMoveState' script you can find in AcesData\Scripts

if you check the script itself you'll see what variables you need to set

also don't forget to activate it somehow through an event

[meager latch]

Damn there hasn't been any posts here in a hot minute

[stark path]

if i pass string as parameter to script, can i then use it as variable name in functions like Equal, Add, SetWorldVariable ?

[meager latch]

Oh wait im in the wrong chat

[stark path]

is there a limitation to the number of mov geo that can move at the same time? feels like i can't move more than 5

[stark path]

if so, then no gambling

[median mason]

Nah there shouldn't be a limit

[stark path]

that's good

what's bad is that i need to see what i'm doing wrong then

i basically have 15 sectors and i have 3 script instances (one per column), each of those do setMoveState for their 5 sectors, wait 0.15, do it again few more times

in the video only last 5 move

if i comment setMoveState for those 5, second column starts moving

if i comment setMoveState only for last 3, then some sectors in 2 and 3 column start moving

that's why my guess was that maybe there is a limit 🤷‍♂️

(my script is also shit, but still)

[teal axle]

wouldn’t you technically be able to have one single script with a function for each column that you can call later on?

i'm not sure if that would fix the issue tho, i've also realized that it sort of breaks if you call the same method a lot

(we're probably missing something)

[stark path]

for now i tried 3 separate script files

then 1 script file but 3 script 'things' in editor

i still can try to put everything in one 'script thing' and do functions

or even without functions, just hardcode monstrosity with a lot of copypaste

[echo oyster]

Huh, was planning to make a casino level myself

[stark path]

i saw that, so im not doing casino, it's yours

[echo oyster]

Damn, thanks

Mind if i borrow that slot script?

[stark path]

it doesn;t spin properly

but i think i figured out what was the issue, stay tuned

[echo oyster]

Hmm

Aught

[stark path]

GAMBLING IS BACK

@median mason Let's say I have multiple mov geos and i want to move them by the same offset at the same time. I thought that I can use the same instance of movestate, since it basically just specifies the offset.

But it seems that if i call setMoveState for different mov geos but the same movestate, only the last call will be actually executed. For example:

SetMoveState(701, 802);
SetMoveState(702, 802);
SetMoveState(703, 802);
SetMoveState(704, 802);
SetMoveState(705, 802);
SetMoveState(706, 802);

Only mov geo 706 will move

Is it intentional?

[stark path]

there are a few things i still wanna improve, also it isn't just a script, it's like 30 objects

i'll get back to that eventually to cleanup and refactor, so when you ll start to work on casino let me know, i'll share what i got

[stark path]

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also i think there is still this thing with "phantom movable geo" where sectors stop moving but then some black shapes are moving instead. Happens after you restart the level, fixed only by restarting the game

@teal axle knows what i'm talking about, we were talking about it here like a month ago

so yeah, need more effort to make it good

but still. it's working

[teal axle]

the poor barber 😭

[teal axle]

thing is im not even sure what causes this issue since i got it somehow working later on?

[stark path]

yeah I don't think I saw it while working on reference either

[teal axle]

i guess it only happens if you make a pretty much basic level or something of the sort, weird tbh

[teal axle]

im pretty sure you know this but if many sectors use the same movestate you can just set them to the same tag

im guessing you want them to use another movestate later?

[stark path]

do you mean mov state or mov geo?

[teal axle]

if several sectors use the same mov state they can have the same mov geo tag

[stark path]

sectors are not linked to move state, no?

oh, I misread

yeah, each icon is a separate sector and I'm not sure if I can reuse the same mov geo because at some point a part of sectors should stop while others should keep moving

[teal axle]

hmmm i get that yeah

had the same issue while opening double doors through a script with them set as separate tags before i realized i could set the same to both

[stark path]

yep if sectors always move together, one move geo for all of them would be enough, true

[teal axle]

doesnt seem to only be happening with move geo, i was using the opendoor function

so i guess its a limitation or something

[stark path]

now I got lost and not sure what are we talking about 😬

[teal axle]

my fault 😭

oh nvm i got it all wrong, seems i couldnt open two doors with the same tag

but yeah it's all kinda confusing

[stark path]

is it possible to spawn loot from script?

[gray marten]

I was gonna ask for you to add a wager to play and a reward for winning

[teal axle]

in the hideout's setupGadgets script there's a Despawn function so im guessing there has to be a Spawn one

[stark path]

i thought so as well

[teal axle]

it may use tags?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3273776117 try using the id's from this guide maybe

[stark path]

so far i only tried placing loot in editor, adding tag to it, then despawning it when level is loaded, then spawning it from script like Spawn(123);

nothing happened in that case

i'll check the guide, thx

[stark path]

yep, i saw in the other channel

at the moment it is not clear how to do that

[teal axle]

try spawning the id, which is 18041

[stark path]

nothing happened, maybe i'm doing it wrong

Main()
{
ShowNotification("win", 1);
Spawn(18041);
}

[teal axle]

lemme check how its done in the hideout

yeah i have no idea 😔

[stark path]

what if you place hidden goon behind the slots and make them drop inventory when you win

literally this

[teal axle]

LMAO

thatd be great

[echo oyster]

Civilian would be better, no voicelines

[stark path]

barber just got new job

[stark path]

i spent way too much time on this

[teal axle]

not him throwing it at your face 😭

it's amazing hope you spend more time on it

if you dont wanna go the npc route you could maybe have some platforms that lift up with the loot

even though its not the best thing

[echo oyster]

the barber's pissed off and out for revenge

[echo oyster]

maybe have a door in the slot machine open or something

that would almost make sense

[teal axle]

yeah that too

[echo oyster]

that would make it one time use, but oh well

[stark path]

oh my god

yes

[echo oyster]

anyway here's what im doing

[teal axle]

vibeyy

are you close to release it?

[stark path]

yeah we will still have the issue that number of wins would be limited to how many loots i'll put manually in the editor

same issue with NPC though. Although I saw Give function somewhere, maybe we can give loot to NPC inventory and the make them drop it

just so we have the joy of picking the money up

[echo oyster]

couple of days maybe

pretty close

encounters are pretty much done

even put in a secret tommy gun somewhere

wyoming ass landscape

[stark path]

i misread

i thought you meant the door in the slot machine opens and then there is an NPC that throws money in your face

that would be joyful experience, but yeah, kinda difficult to do - i have to put them high because of the way they throw 😦

[echo oyster]

have the slot machine explode and get destroyed when you win

the moeny just kinda gets spewed out

[stark path]

yeah, that's familiar move

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and now is the moment when devs appear and say "you can call this simple function and spawn shit" 🪄

[teal axle]

hopefully 🙏

[gray marten]

Prak

[echo oyster]

anyone of ya fellas know what the "dynamic" property does?

it appears on cars

[gray marten]

Honestly no clue

[echo oyster]

Saw a lot of strange palette choices for enemies in custom levels so I think that we should all agree that:

glassheart Armed goons use palette 6

throttling goons use palette 5

and molotovs mook palette 3

Makes it way easier for players if we all use consistent palettes

oh and benedetto armed goons use palette 7

[echo oyster]

yikes

[shadow dew]

really excited for this

[echo oyster]

hey uhh, what's up the waypoint's special parameters?

[echo oyster]

BLOODRUST'S OUT!
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3494382380

[stark path]

well,

this time i didn't even finish the first part
even with save scamming & cheesin

but with god mode and infinite tommyguns it was very therapeutic experience

also map lookin fuckin good

---

and i do wanna see how someone completes the map on hard difficulty

[echo oyster]

I'll make a video of me beatin' the thing on hard i guess

[stark path]

i think i saw a couple of issues with textures, can do a couple of screenshots if you wanna

[echo oyster]

oh yea sure

[stark path]

you simply have to now

1. seems that water dripping sector is solid, can't get through it
2. missing textures in control room
3. can see through wall in room with exploding bridges if jump on the door

also if you stay in this spot and look somewhere in that direction there was flickering sector with default texture, but i couldn't reproduce it when i was taking screenshots 🤷‍♂️

that's all i got

oh, also, when you in malone's room, before you pickup suitcase, somebody starts noticing you through window

[echo oyster]

ohh yea that's the gambling addict

i removed him already, yer probably on an old version

[echo oyster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RB-6l8haf4

[halcyon cargo]

IMMACULATION!!!!!!

[stark path]

watched whole 20 min

damn, okay

[echo oyster]

oh hell no!!!

who the fuck is evil bingass

[echo oyster]

anyway to get rid of this dumbass glitch where inverted sectors on top of each other don't render properly?

[echo oyster]

FOUND A SOLUTION!!!!!

just turn on underlay in the sector's settings

[echo oyster]

wait no it was actually something else

just make sure that the bottom part of the inverted sector isn't beneath the floor of a normal sector

[tawdry parrot]

Make sure that sectors aren't touching and set underlay to off

[echo oyster]

huh, works fine with underlay on for me

as long as th sectors ain't touching each ohter

[tawdry parrot]

Yeah that's the main thing. Make sure sectors aren't touching otherwise z fighting happens.

[median mason]

You wanna try and keep underlay on or set to auto as much as possible. If a lower floor is rendering over another you can set the higher floor's sorting order to a higher number

[rapid sable]

how do you make a script execute as soon as the player loads in?

[gray marten]

Idk, trigger placed on top of the player?

[rapid sable]

ill try

it either doesnt work or i cant script

what does "path" do?

[echo oyster]

just have it trigger on event 0, that's it

[echo oyster]

that's where you put in your script's name

(the name of the txt file in the scripts folder)

if you don't have a path your script will just not work

[rapid sable]

thx

you seem to know everything

[echo oyster]

i mean i was in the early testing and i map a lot too

if your confused on scripting consider checking out my bloodrust map as reference, it's VERY script heavy

[rapid sable]

oke

[echo oyster]

or just any official map works too

[rapid sable]

im trying too make good maps but im pretty shit at it

[echo oyster]

you'll get better, trust me

i mean hey here's how my maps used a month ago compared to now

[rapid sable]

i wish i could upload a screenshot but i cant

but my map looks just like yours a month ago

[echo oyster]

hey makes sense if yer a beginner

don't excpect to make masterpieces immidietly

that's just how it goes with every skill

[echo oyster]

(also if ya wanna make sure your levels look good definetly take inspiration from the official chapters)

it makes a huge difference

i looked at how the gate booth in chapter 2 looks and used that to make a house that looks like wayy better

[echo oyster]

i can give ya some feedback on how to make it look better once ya publish it if ya want me to

[rapid sable]

yes pls

[echo oyster]

awesome

[tawdry parrot]

Some advanced advice how to make better looking buildings and maps I would give to people is:
-Don't have buildings be flat boxes, use layers and have different do-dabs, indents, slopes or whatever to make your buildings more 3d.
-Make sure your windows and doors have door frames
-Don't stretch out your textures to the point they look smeared and ugly,
-Having trouble making a specific piece of furniture? Just copy and paste elements from the main campaign (they are free, nobody is gonna yell at you)
-Make sure everything is to scale. You don't want doors and desks made to look like they are for a 8 ft tall person. Best to put an npc down for scale reference.
-Ambient sounds and lighting add a lot of atmosphere to maps
-Don't make your maps too dark. It's nice to have hiding spots for the player but nobody likes stumbling around, getting lost in the dark. Place lights where you want the player to go.
-Have a strong landmark in your map so players can remember where things are ( put something memorable somewhere in the map, that stands out so players can orient themselves and not get lost)
-Have verticality ( Aces uses a lot of mantling, have lots of high up places the player jump up to, put beams, bridges and catwalks)
-Avoid making a big maze or rooms (have each room and area be distinct, have rooms be different sizes and shapes, avoid making everything so boxy)
-Pace out enemy encounters, give some breathing room for players to explore a little and not get mobbed by enemies.
-Certain textures look better with each other than others (for example certain brick building textures look good stacked with other brick building textures)
-Think of some other ways to deal with enemies other than punching or shooting them. Have some environmental things to set up to kill em. (Electrical boxes, high ledges, fire barrels, oil puddles, water, big crates etc.)
-Don't mob your map with mobsters (Same as before, don't stick 100 goons in a small room for Mike to fight) More than 5 in a combat zone is pushing it
-If you have an area, have your main way to enter it. Have at least two or three other ways to get in. (some ways can be hidden)
-Have a decent amount of weapons lying around. (Aces has a ton of weapons) Part of the flow of combat is picking random things up and using them as weapons, pepper parts of you map with weapons. Have less weapons or health items when you want certain sections to be tougher.
-Reward exploration by having health, armor, ammo, cash if you there is an empty area or area outside combat that is worth exploring.
-If you have a scripted enemy encounter have a few ways you can deal with it. (Enemy busts in a room when you grab a medkit, maybe you can shootout the lights making you invisible, maybe you can throw a banana peel on the ground, maybe there is a window you can jump out of)

[rapid sable]

how do you make shadows the player can hide in?

[tawdry parrot]

you have to set the sector brightness to 0

[echo oyster]

0.5 or lower brightness - partly hidden

0 brightness - hidden

[rapid sable]

thank you

sorry i ask so much

[echo oyster]

I mean the sdk guide is basic as shit, i dont blame ya

[tawdry parrot]

We would add more to it but we're all pretty busy making episode 2. We just covered the basics

[echo oyster]

also while yer active here trey, can i add a custom map to my level somehow?

[tawdry parrot]

You do that with the spritepacker

[echo oyster]

aight, thanks

[echo oyster]

anyway i was trying to make custom consumables but the game doesn't want to load any levels now, what am i doing wrong?

it's stuck like this

[echo oyster]

this shit making me jump salty

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/752224678369820685/1391761338803556472/3dgifmaker52635.gif

[median mason]

What does the consumable definition look like?

[echo oyster]

the numbers, ya?

put in 18099 as the id

here's the txt too

wait no that's the wrong thing

hold on, i'll try to get the right one, my pc memory is kinda a mess

ok found it (im using a custom placeholder sprite, that's why the name's like that)

tried using apple sprites, still don't load

[median mason]

So if you delete the definition it still won't load?

[echo oyster]

hold on im kinda confused, which part is the definition?

[median mason]

That whole actor block

[echo oyster]

i'll test it out real fast

[echo oyster]

yep, still doesn't load, even when decorate.txt is blank

is it possible that i fucked up the sprite packing?

yup, it's the sprites, it loads after i deleted them

[median mason]

Yeah that'd be it

[echo oyster]

weeird, i'll retry the sprite packing

[echo oyster]

@soft surge i did a thing

[halcyon cargo]

mike has to go through a pistol mook every morning if he wants his breakfast

[soft surge]

oooh delicious!

he got the pancakes!!!

[halcyon cargo]

it legitimately says waffles are you blind

[soft surge]

i know i was just jocking 😂

i've drew the waffles hehehe

i wonder how the waffles works in mike's inventory

i'm so happy to see my work fits well in Fallen Aces 😂

mike if you are reading this, i swear, feel free to use the food i draw for your next animations!

[soft surge]

I still love how this is taking form.

But i wonder this will replace the food sprites or add new food?

[echo oyster]

Brand new item

[soft surge]

ah gotcha

still i love it! 😄
Great work 👌

maybe i feel better i see to add new food

there are still few things i want to finish

• pickle
• sausage
• pretzel
• moonshine
• cake
• jelly
• carot
• onion
• lasagna
• steak

yup that's the list 😄

[soft surge]

there will be a lot of brand new item for sure

[soft surge]

now it's time for the popcorn bucket!

[halcyon cargo]

theater level like song of the caverns thief

[soft surge]

or sold by every street vendor next to hot dogs and cola

[tawdry parrot]

Congrats!

[plush sinew]

reccomended maps?

[halcyon cargo]

mikes night out, high life, bloodrust, im sure theres plenty more but

just look at the page

crystal radio set

[plush sinew]

ok

[echo oyster]

with those new eating animations on their way, will it be possible to create original eating animations for custom consumables in the future?

[rapid sable]

How do you make rain only appear on the outside?

[echo oyster]

two main ways to do it

either set up a plane trigger that fires an event that makes the weather stop when you cross it and place it at the door

or just use the weather stop thing

[soft surge]

would require new frames to draw 👀

[echo oyster]

quick reminder REMEMBER ABOUT AMBIENT NOISE IN YOUR LEVELS!!!

it adds so much immersion, seriously

[echo oyster]

how the fuck do i even design a proper open ended level

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/752224678369820685/1391761338803556472/3dgifmaker52635.gif

this shit hard as hell

[tawdry parrot]

Make it a circle

[plush sinew]

lol

[fiery tree]

you know that image of a cow that says "the illusion of choice"
try doing that to start out

[echo oyster]

damn i did not notice that before

[fiery tree]

now do chapter 5

its like that but there's like 50 paths and you have to go back afterwards

honestly works every time

[lusty prism]

oh i had never actually considered this for open ended levels before this is insanely good advice

its crazy how simple the '''solution''' for level design problems can be sometimes

[plush sinew]

This is also good advice for levels with backtracking

[echo oyster]

this whole level design shit kinda easy, i just made a very fcuked up circle

i honestly doubt anyone other than me has any idea what is going on in this image but still

[wind prism]

💀

[echo oyster]

fallen aces vodka

(replaces the bull tonic)

[echo oyster]

how do i get rid of this shit?

nevermind it's gone

[echo oyster]

making staircases in aceED is very fun

[manic swift]

i respect anyone who can make a map in aceED this is so confusing

[echo oyster]

ehh it' simple once ya get the hang of it

hammer is way worse

[manic swift]

well ive used hammer so i find it easier

[vestal musk]

it's like Ultimate Doom Builder, but more convenient if you master it. Mainly due to layers like in a graphic editor and normal support of 3d and multi-leveling

[manic swift]

id say what made hammer easy is the 2d and 3d view at all times in any axis

[manic swift]

and how do you make stuff like this? do you just mash a bunch of sectors together until you have your map geometry?

[echo oyster]

i use inverted sectors

when a sector's floor is higher than the ceiling it becomes inverted

basically a 3d cube

or whatever other shape

i put a bunch of inverted sectors together and tweak their heights

[vestal musk]

but there is a lack of the ability to actually see models and fixating textures so that when you copy some object made of sectors to another place, its textures do not move to another continent

[manic swift]

ooh

[vestal musk]

it's easier to make one sector of the required length, and then cut it across few times. it's faster than smash ctrl+v in order to clone one step i guess

[echo oyster]

i mena yeah i cut them a bunch

[echo oyster]

made some custom ambience for my upcoming map, what do ya think?

[manic swift]

thats pretty ambient

hard to rate ambience because its just noise

[plush sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/real-talk-truth-what-is-the-gif-12508289

I tried learning hammer to make tf2 maps

its so fucking terrible to learn

[halcyon cargo]

i used jack a little

reminded me of roblox f3x, still had a hard time with it

i should probably try to give AceEd the time of day but nah

[echo oyster]

" yikes, how am i supposed to guide the player whilst keeping their immersion intact???" the humble light:

[fiery tree]

good old valve taught everyone the spotlight trick

no really, play half life 2 for instance and count how many times you see a big ass spotlight pointing exactly where you need to go

ravenholm is the best example

[echo oyster]

custom consumables (also ambience i guess)

[lusty prism]

ol reliable

both half life games are incredibly good to do game design studies with valve really knew what they were doing lol

[echo oyster]

how do i line up a shitting goon properly?

[median mason]

You might need to adjust his direction to face away from the toilet in the editor, but otherwise it's probably a bug

[echo oyster]

gotcha

almost there

[manic swift]

Don't worry he's the goon who invents bluetooth shitting

[median mason]

I think you gotta move him to be directly in front of the toilet in the editor

[echo oyster]

how could i turn off a point light using scripts?

assuming it's something like Disable();

[echo oyster]

would it be possible to cause an effect similar to the something like a tv getting damaged by scripts?

or have some kinda workaround so that enemies get zapped in a different way?

i wanted to make a custom tv to fit my level better

[echo oyster]

pre baked lighting can look pretty cool sometimes

[stark lagoon]

Finally finished and posted my very first Fallen Aces map!

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3526013432

I wanted to make something that was small, told a story, and provided multiple ways to traverse the level and deal with obstacles. I hope you guys like it, and I welcome any feedback.

[echo oyster]

niiceeeee

[rapid sable]

MY FALLEN ACES MAP IS GONE!

I ACCIDWNTLY DELETED IT WHILE TRYING TO DELETE ONE OF MY OLD MAPS!

[echo oyster]

did ya post it to the workshop in order to playtest it?

big mistake if so, always keep you wip maps on your drive, not on the workshop

[rapid sable]

I had my wip maps in my drive, I just had a lot of test maps so I decided to delete it all and I forgot my actual map was in there so when I did CTRL and A and delete then emptied recycle bin its gone

Atlesdt it was only 7 hours of my life on there...

[echo oyster]

damn...

[echo oyster]

data can still b3e recovered

as long as you don't download anything new it's there

might wanna look up how to get it back

[echo oyster]

yeah there are programs you can use to get it back, just google it or something

and don't download any new files, the data will get overriden

[rapid sable]

Okay I'll try

[echo oyster]

AND MAKE A BACK UP!!!!

or two

[rapid sable]

IT WORKED

I finna make big backup

[echo oyster]

also uhh, how closed to completion is the thing??

excited to see some new things on the workshop

[half ivy]

I believe I put this in the wrong chat before , I believe I’ve screwed up the chapterID and or the file structure, I’ve copied to my best ability what file stuff was on the Guide, but if anyone could explain it even more for this Goon that would be mighty helpful thanks

[echo oyster]

mind sending me images of yer folder and chapterinfo in dms?

or just send the level folder preferably

[half ivy]

Yeah I can send you the level folder if that easier, tho you can’t not make fun it or talk about how rough and bad it is lol

[echo oyster]

i mean it's a first level it's gonna be shit

that's how it goes

[half ivy]

I’m hoping I strike gold on the first hit haha but yeah I’ve never made a level so it’s very rough at the moment

[echo oyster]

don't count on it, unless you do a shit load of polishing

[frank flicker]

goon pallete by number

[halcyon cargo]

weird how similar 1 and 7 are

[echo oyster]

1 is for unarmed benedettos, 7 is for armed benedettos

[halcyon cargo]

i thought the bennies were all the same but appearently not

[frank flicker]

tried to add more depth to the room in throttlin gooning

[rapid sable]

Sorry I never responded, its like 40 percent done I have not alot of motivation to do it since i don't know how to do scripts and that and I hate asking on how to do stuff

[teal axle]

thats what this channel is for

dont be afraid to ask

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/752224678369820685/835639177445376070/818056502526083092.gif

[frank flicker]

bulletin board

[echo oyster]

real nice

the lighting is a bit boring tho, adding some color could look nice

[tawdry parrot]

That looks really nice. Some door trim, beams and pilasters, slanted walls go a long long way from keeping rooms from feeling very doomy and square. I might recommend using the door frame texture to have your door frames look more detailed.

Also, suprised nobody has tried making a ship map yet. Sharks on got used once in episode 1 and level 2 is the only level with a fair amount of swimming.

[half ivy]

Hey how do you make inverted sector is it literally just dragging the floor through the roof, or is there a much easier way lol

[vestal musk]

When you RMB any object or sector or whatever, a settings window appears.
There is 🔃 button here that swaps the floor and ceiling coordinates, making an inverted sector from a regular one and vice versa.
You can also manually enter numbers and if the heigh number of the floor is bigger than the ceilings, the same thing will happen.

[half ivy]

Ah yes, that makes more sense now lol, i’m not gonna say how many hours I’ve spent building my map without knowing that, but what I will say is thank you for your knowledge

[frank flicker]

boombox

were these a thing in the 30's?

[echo oyster]

yea sure whatever

the grooving goon

do you think that this elevator ride is anxiety enducing enough?

[frank flicker]

was this always here

[echo oyster]

oh that's from bloodrust

[frank flicker]

huh

[echo oyster]

some guy asked for me to hide that somewhere in the level in exhcange for playtesting

[frank flicker]

bloodrust lore drop

[echo oyster]

don't forget about PTISZKA.bin

[frank flicker]

can you keep it down

[frank flicker]

i wonder if it's possible to make it do the electrocuting thing like when you break a tv or a vending machine

[echo oyster]

Maybe make a decal with the front of the radio and give it the same properties as the power box decal?

[frank flicker]

ill check it out

[vestal musk]

I don't know what happened, but for some reason, any levels, even vanilla or workshop levels, stopped running while there are custom sprites in the sprites folder.
The loading bar freezes at 0%. The AceEd also can't run the level that uses these sprites (BUT can run any other), also freezing, only this time at 100%. Everything starts working again when I delete the folder. Everything worked just fine before, I don't know what changed today.

if there is some broken sprite here, I don't know which one because they all worked before.
And I don't know why it breaks even levels that don't use these sprites. 🤔

[echo oyster]

Had the same issues, the sprites aren't packec correctly

Repack them

[vestal musk]

already tried

Oh, I found out, I'm a dumbass. I wrote the wrong folder directory when I packed it with texture packer 🤦

It should be "Sprites/Folder with new sprites/", but I wrote the path directly to the folder with new sprites.

[frank flicker]

quite an epic entrance

[rapid sable]

how do i add a hole in the wall that has a pipe thingy?

does it require scripting or smth?

[frank flicker]

place this decal

that's all

[halcyon cargo]

lmao i love this

[rapid sable]

Thx

[frank flicker]

Does your floor look way too bland? Do you wish for it to have more depth? Fear no more, introducing mankinds latest invention:

POTHOLES!

Both outdoors and indoors, these beauties can really change how a level looks!

Just use the cut tool to make a hole, change it's floor height, and voila! You have a pothole!

[manic swift]

this would go really well if you could put the wall pipes on the floor

[echo oyster]

You can

Its a decal

[manic swift]

oh

i assumed it was aceED's equivalent of func details in hammer

[frank flicker]

how about sector pipes

[manic swift]

looks great

this could be great for a rundown building style

[echo oyster]

These literally carried BLOODRUST's basement

[sudden thicket]

hi

[frank flicker]

hi

[hallow wagon]

Love the wanted poster 😭

Cool shit

[plush sinew]

i cant wait for yall to make eldritch horrors with aced

[frank flicker]

tried making a bathroom

[viscid tinsel]

bathrooms are very eldritch

[manic swift]

i want someone to make a fallen aces map and everything is normal but theres a really high quality realistic toilet for some reason

[hallow wagon]

reserved for the one and only shitting goon

[manic swift]

Who shall also be insanely high quality

[echo oyster]

imsim fans when they are informed there'll be nonsensical vent layouts at the function

[lusty prism]

OH BOY MY FAVOURITE!!

[gritty frost]

we need a goon cosplayer to have their footage of them shitting

[manic swift]

thats quite a goon request

[echo oyster]

thanks to @viscid tinsel for helping with creating custom textures for my upcoming level, work is way easier with multiple people on board for the project

[frank flicker]

it's talking to me like the green goblin mask

[viscid tinsel]

ohno

[gritty frost]

https://tenor.com/view/green-goblin-norman-osborn-osborn-spider-man-mask-gif-24772759

jokes aside its your choice to do follow up on this bit

[gritty frost]

oh no...

[manic swift]

When you put it on does it say "Whats tha plan bos' "

[echo oyster]

behold, the giant kebab meat block

[proud night]

Really wish the level editor had a more accessible tutorial because I have no idea what the hell I'm doing :/

[fiery tree]

Theres documentation with a basic map guide

Its in pind

Pins*

[void shell]

It’s like a reverse trap door

[echo oyster]

Random AceED tip of the evening : When creating lit up windows make sure to place point lights in front of them to make them really pop

No point lights

yes point lights

[echo oyster]

Got something cool planned for to celebrate the first month of BLOODRUST 1.0 being released

[tawdry parrot]

You want the ultimate lighting trick? Make the area behind the window an open space and put a light behind the window, then make the window interior non visible so then the lighting will shine through the gap and make light on the ground.

[halcyon cargo]

IS THAT COMMENTARY

[echo oyster]

Yes

[echo oyster]

heavy umbutchers vibes

[echo oyster]

got to work on the dev commentary

[oblique python]

Howdy, modders.

I trust it's alright to ask a few questions here and there as my mapping project develops.

[echo oyster]

ueah ueah sure

[oblique python]

Swell. Well, I can't seem to post images yet, so I can't share previews. I assume that's a new member restriction. In any case, I've completed the first zone of interest in my map, which is a classic imsim style open world space. I'll be excited to move on to scripting objectives and such, but building the level out and making it look good is my priority for now.

Look and feel good that is.

I'm struggling with enemy spawn logic though. I thought I had understood it, but now that I'm adding neighborhood patrols and such, I'm realizing that I don't. So that's the question I'll start with.

When placing an enemy, it has the spawn on normal and spawn on hard boxes checked. It will spawn on all three difficulties.
If I uncheck both boxes, the enemy will never spawn on any difficulty. If I

check the spawn on normal box, it spawns on easy and normal. If I check spawn on hard, it only spawns on hard.

I feel like I'm missing something, because it seems like there's no state where I can just increment spawning the way I want to.

I placed three guys in an alley. On easy, I want one of them to show up. On normal, I want two of them. On hard, I want all three. But in testing the check boxes, that seems impossible. On easy and normal, I get the guy with all boxes checked, and the guy with only the normal box checked. On hard, I get the guy with both checked, and the guy with hard.

[echo oyster]

yeah, that's just how it works

normal and easy are grouped together, no way round it

[oblique python]

Truly strange.

Why not just have three boxes, for the three difficulties? I'll just have to adjust plans accordingly. Thanks.

[echo oyster]

ask jason, items have options for all difficulties

[median mason]

Easy was originally just going to be normal but you take less damage, but later we wanted items to have an option to spawn differently on easy, so items got that option. We'll add it to enemies too once we update the editor

[oblique python]

Aces! Thanks, fellah.

[halcyon cargo]

Fallen... Aces.

[echo oyster]

details!

[frank flicker]

potholes......... my favourite

[oblique python]

Never enough details. Always room for more details.

Fighting the compulsion to detail more is a tough'n.

[echo oyster]

Anyway, BLOODRUST'S devcom is complete fyi

[echo oyster]

decided to remake BLOODRUST's logo for the anniversary update

[halcyon cargo]

now it says rlooo rust /j

[echo oyster]

masterpiece

[halcyon cargo]

bleadrleadst

[echo oyster]

the three human BLOODRUSTS

[halcyon cargo]

what is blood rust devedm

[echo oyster]

developer commentary

i ramble on about some shit regarding the level basically

little gift you could call it

[halcyon cargo]

WATER

[gritty frost]

Holy bloodrust lore

[gritty frost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1265450041020121106.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=chappy

Blood is very peak

[gritty frost]

I think the word "rust" looks a bit too shiny

It needs to be repulsively rusty and rough I think

[echo oyster]

i should probably change it...

on the other hand im kinda fucking lazy

[echo oyster]

BLOODRUST update very** very**

[echo oyster]

The BLOODRUST anniversary update is out!

Features:
-Developer commentary
-Visual upgrades
-Bug fixes
-LEAD

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3494382380

[echo oyster]

BLOODRUST was quite the journey and i learned a ton while making it, but I think that it's about time that i move onto bigger projects

Decided to make some comparison screenshots between the first ever workshop release and version 1.2

[oblique python]

I guess I'll have to play it again. Interested to hear your thoughts on the development.

[oblique python]

Ooof. Just as hard as I remembered. The fryingpan was a lifesaver.

[oblique python]

Tinkering with enemies today. Something I've been curious about is their engagement logic settings.

Using restriction zones is fun, but at a certain point in the level, it doesn't make sense. Some goons are set up to engage on sight, so they should start brawling if they see Mike, but I have an odd edge case - a goon watching the streets from the second floor windows. If he sees mike on the sidewalk, nbd. If he sees him in the restricted alleyway, he'll tell him off, and engage if Mike doesn't listen. But if Mike walks into the building, goes upstairs, and is spotted, the lookout really should just start punching without any warnings.

I'm curious if there's a way to change an enemy's engagement logic with an event, or some other trigger. So the goon would patrol as desired, but once Mike has stepped into the building, all bets are off, and that goon becomes an engage on sight guy, like the other goons in the building who can't see outside.

Y'know. Imsim stuff.

[echo oyster]

ok so in order to change an enemy's engagment rules you 'd have to use the SetEngagementRule(X, Y); script function

x is the enemy's tag
y is the engagment rule number

engagment rules:
0 - default
1 - Attack on sight
2 - Restricted
3 - Ambush
(at least i assume so, that's how they are layed out in editor)

[oblique python]

Writing that one down. Thank youse, I'll see how it goes.

[echo oyster]

(oh also if yer wondering how to post images, just send like a lot of messages until your name turns brown)

[oblique python]

Matter of time then.

But I'm sure

I'll get there

eventually.

[wind prism]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-yakuza-4-like-a-dragon-like-a-dragon-4-masayoshi-gif-17342267780484915203

Sorry, accidental ping

[echo oyster]

just say some dumbass shit like EAT LEAD every once in a while in general, it'll go by quicker

or participate in the absolute nightmarish brainrotting hellhole known as #fallen-aces

[oblique python]

Architectural term of the day: Corbel.

[echo oyster]

hey uhh, how are ingame cutscenes handled exactly? i see that there are reference points placed down for the camera, but im not sure how the camera knows what points to follow and when to start

there's nothing related to the camra script wise, as far as im aware

[teal axle]

cutscenes as in first person view cutscenes or actual cutscenes?

chapter 5's got CutsceneCamera("startPosition", "endPosition", "lookatPosition", "duration", 1);

i'm pretty sure you have to use a reference thing (i think?) with a tag

[echo oyster]

Wait wait what script is that

I might be blind

I did NOT see that

[teal axle]

onPassThreshold.txt

[echo oyster]

thank, thank ya

that is very useful

[teal axle]

npnp

try using ReferencePoints things, those are the only ones that worked for me when setting a point for mike to move and look at so i'm guessing it'll be the same for the cutscene camera

[echo oyster]

yea, already took a look at how it's set up in editor for c5

it's really simple

[teal axle]

yea

[oblique python]

It's getting so much easier to build things. If I weren't such a nerd about details and interactivity, I could really get some things done with this engine.

But you know, it's an imsim. I just want there to be as many options as possible in any space that I make.

Like buttah.

[gritty frost]

New bloodrust looks really cool

I finished it on hard today

Took me a hour again because I backtracked a lot

I memorized everything about it now

burning cop car at the end was nice

I didnt know there was a homeless person in the trash thats cool

I looked for the middle finger secret that we discussed but wasnt able to find it

New forest looks much better though

it has a river and everything

New notes are nice

[echo oyster]

Fuckk, forgot about that

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/752224678369820685/1391761338803556472/3dgifmaker52635.gif

Guess that BLODRUST ain't done yet

[gritty frost]

no problem

[frank flicker]

im trying to have a goon shitting but the script doesnt do nothin (at least the shitting part) am i doing something wrong?

[oblique python]

At a guess, and not encourage this sort of thing, but is the goon tagged properly? Is the throne?

[echo oyster]

When does the shitting goon spawn?

[frank flicker]

not tied to any event, he just appears normally

[echo oyster]

Huh

[echo oyster]

i noticed that the hideout has a bunch of these dust particles flying around, any way i can add those to my own level?

[fiery tree]

These arent exclusive to the hideout

You can find them all over the place - level 3 has a crapload

They're just sectors with a moving texture

you can copypaste them in your own level for ease of replication

[manic swift]

i love how everything in fallen aces is just a cube

[echo oyster]

HEY we got advanced slope technology, we can make different kinds of geometrical shapes!

[manic swift]

a slope is just a weirdly cut cube

[frank flicker]

is it possible to add a custom combat track

[sly steppe]

So i followed Serezha's way to end level guide, but i dont know what is the clear problem with my own level not ending even after 'copying path' the folder that says Scripts and the 'EndLevel' txt document

there is event on exit

[frank flicker]

you don't need the whole path, just the script's name

[sly steppe]

You are a damn life saver

the answer to my problem was behind my eye socket

[frank flicker]

[viscid tinsel]

with a title like this this sure looks promising

[tawdry parrot]

lol good oneliner

[sly steppe]

im sorry to say this but this ain't going to be promising, nor its going to be something ground breaking.

however, i might make more custom levels, with one being heavily inspired by one of madness combat episodes.

but this isn't a pinking promise so I have to see

[sly steppe]

Another answer to my problem that was behind my eye socket, to delete something i have to press the Del key

Not Backspace

[sly steppe]

For some reason when subscribing my own custom level, its not appearing in the workshop episodes

here what my files look like

[frank flicker]

you're forgetting one folder

the game thinks that the "Mike's LSD dream before chapter 1 level 1" is the folder for an episode

uhh idk how to explain

if you want, you can send me the file and i'll do the work

[sly steppe]

yet again you saved my life

[viscid tinsel]

it doesn't have to be anything groundbreaking to be worth something yk? your contribution is already good in spirit think

[sly steppe]

oh

[rapid sable]

I've just got back into making my map and I wanna know when I log off and back into the editor I have to find the textures again for the walls and stuff how do I get the textures again easily if that's possible?

[frank flicker]

you can click on a line and press ctrl + c to copy it's texture, and then press ctrl + v on another line to make it have the copied texture

not exactly what you asked for, but is a good substitute

[rapid sable]

Atleast it's smth

Thx

[compact helm]

Hello, I really want to do a nice level but I might or should need help. Because, I don't want to make a Big one like the docks... But its true that alone, sometimes, it can be the worst idea.

The level I want to do is one based in a very old creepypasta. With I will search for references and other stuff for make it a better look. Also, its for creat a liminal space feeling on the player, knowing there will be enemis.

[oblique python]

Look at the texture you were using. In the bottom left, the infopanel tells you the texture name. Write it down.

[compact helm]

You can talk with me if you want help

[rapid sable]

No offence but I giggled when you spelled which as witch

[compact helm]

Yeah... Its I usually have that mistake

Thanks

[rapid sable]

Shit I feel bad now sorry

Sorry triple Jesus

[compact helm]

Nah... Don't worry

[compact helm]

I hope so, someone its interesting

[sly steppe]

Has anyone ever tried make a sewer or underground room by cutting a hole on the ground

im having trouble doing that, espcially when trying to follow the process of making a sewer system through Ace Ed

for context, im attempting to re-create the layouts of madness combat 2 with the character Hank passing out a grunt and dumping its body in the sewer

in this situation, im trying to make the sewer a explorable alternative entrance to the building

so i used the Cut T/B on my layer 0 (The Green textured area) then still make a entrace way in the underground

okay the ceiling of the sewer is blocked

now im really gonna go postal

[sly steppe]

alright seems right

[teal axle]

im pretty sure you can just have inverted sectors for underground rooms

im not sure how you're making it

[rapid sable]

Can't u make platform's that can go down when u press a button?

Does that require big brain scripting?

[echo oyster]

I mean typing out SetMoveState(); isnt exactly big brain

[rapid sable]

It is for me

I dont even know how to put my own music in

[sly steppe]

its small, infuritating to look at but thankfully i figured out how to make a basic door hindge

since the building i made is very small and takes place outside, im planning on just making this map as a intro level, then ill make a another level or episode where it takes place INSIDE the sheriff compound

designing the inside in one level is straight up a nightmare especially when the building is small of course

[sly steppe]

this means this idea is scrapped

[tawdry parrot]

You gotta use more inverted sectors brother

[sly steppe]

So, I need to stop grabbing the bottom and raising it up?

[teal axle]

that's an inverted sector

just as a tip, you can press the little arrows icon and it'll do that automatically

[sly steppe]

anyone know how to get rid of the freezing loading screen

even when i played fallen aces (Not AceEd) its also freezes the loading screen

I didn't add any new sprites, only new audios

i removed the two audios and boot up the level and its still freezing

[sly steppe]

turns out its also happens to load forever when playing other custom levels

[sly steppe]

after reinstalling the game, the custom levels and normal levels load normally except Madness Goonbat 2

[sly steppe]

Somehow it only happens when I put external audio and maximising it’s range

[echo oyster]

Why would you maximize the range? Just make it 2d, much less janky

Also, where did you add the audio

[echo oyster]

The audio file i mean

[sly steppe]

its just this

oh wait audio file

i put it in the ambience folder

[echo oyster]

Found your problem

Its an mp3

Must be an ogg or wav file

Convert it

[sly steppe]

oh

thanks

[sly steppe]

you by any chance know where the arrows are?

[sly steppe]

The plane Options for wall, floor and ceilings made things easier

▢ Visible
▢ Solid

[teal axle]

right in between the flor and ceiling values

[sly steppe]

oh

thanks

[sly steppe]

totally nothing behind that cat Alf!

[oblique python]

Alf's back; in PNG form!

Real question, how are you adding custom textures? I mean, are they decals?

I ask mostly because I can't get mine to work. The texture packer crashes out everytime I try to export.

And also, because if they are decals, I'm curious how you set them up that way.

[sly steppe]

so in the fallen aces folder or SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Fallen Aces\Tools\Texture Package Generator, you will see texture package generator

what this does is it turns a folder filled with png/jpg images into a .bin folder

so here, There 'New Textures' folder, thats the folder you want to 'copy as path' and paste it in the 'Input path'

But before doing the 'Copy as path', you need to make a sub-folder with the same name or new name, mind for instance is 'Meme textures'

and also the 'Memes textures' or your sub-folder in the 'New Textures' folder must have PNG/JPG images in them, Webpm doesn't work

Desktop screenshots come as pngs' which is nice

Now once you got your .bin file, you now have to copy and paste it in two files
AcesData\Texture Packages
and your custom level file that has Texture packages in it

wait a second you're talking about texture packer crashing?

like freezing?

The sub-folder in the 'New Textures' folder should now appear in your Texture Picker

once open you can see the images mostly pngs and jpgs appear in the folder

pick texture then use scale to fit the frame

Position
Y Axis controls height

or use properity menu

Make the height different to a negative, which makes invert sectors, sort of like a box except theres nothing inside

This is just how to make a poster in a custom level

[sly steppe]

Gotta love lockers man

[echo oyster]

UNALIGNED TEXTURE SPOTTED!

That rightmost locker's off

[sly steppe]

fixing

[sly steppe]

.ogg and wav for whatever reason is still causing my levels to load forever

the console says invalid path when pasting
Ambience\Ambient Metal Extended.wav
Ambience\Ambient Metal Extended.ogg

these two audio files are in the Acedata and Level audio folder

also Audio player is in 2d

[frank flicker]

not sure if it'll work but did you try removing the spaces in the name

[sly steppe]

alright

idk if the problem is really fixed but here

So if i see a path invalid in console, i have to load the level again and then paste the audio path to audio player so the invald path in console doesn't appear

Dont really know, console is probably acting bugged

[oblique python]

Extremely thorough. Thank you. I'll see what I can manage today.

[tawdry parrot]

all audio files have to be OGG or they won't work properly. If you are trying to have it as looping background ambience set it to ambience and then set the effect to 2D. When naming your files it's prob best to use_underscores_like this to name them so you don't mistype spaces

so it would like this

if you wanted it to play in the world it would like this

[compact helm]

Well, if you want to help, let me know

[rapid sable]

What's the best number for grid snap?

[echo oyster]

It depends on the scale your working on

I keep it at auto most of the time

[oblique python]

1

Always 1. Make perfect lines. Stack vertices on size 1 grid intersections by the tens. Become obsessive about it. Lose sleep over it. The grid controls you now.

[sly steppe]

https://youtube.com/shorts/1dSpNV4iOs4?si=LKkydp1cjPInyiBn

Imagine making this in AceEd

[sly steppe]

https://youtu.be/osnTrEcUONg?si=VllFVZzFRVLdg11g

its done

[iron valve]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-steak-mark-omni-man-gif-13811417561747005942

[sly steppe]

whoops

[vestal musk]

Is there an easier way to apply textures to sectors?
Applying a texture, for example, of ammo boxes to a cube is sometimes too difficult because the texture is too much tossed back and forth during scaling and I can't align the edges of the texture with the lines of the sector

Because now I just randomly move the mouse around and pray that texture will fit in one moment. But maybe there is a normal way to do it.

[echo oyster]

Use the strech button when you have the line with the texture selected

Stretches the texture to fit the plane

[compact helm]

I been seeing some exemples of the buldinbgs I want to do. I will show you how I would make the map

[compact helm]

I want to make this in my next map. How i should make the cu?
A big square and make a cut like the lake or no?

[sly steppe]

You can create a inverted sector in which you can stand on and being able to see the skybox

For the lake I’m guessing make another inverted sector then you use a cut out tool to lower down the sector, making a pool or some sort

[compact helm]

Ohhhh ok

I will try it

[compact helm]

You mean creat a cube and invert top and bottom?

[compact helm]

And later make the same to the lake?

[sly steppe]

when you make sector, press the height diff to make a standable floor on top which you're able to see the skybox

To achieve the pool, you use the cutout tool

right click to cut

click on the cutout box, press Position mode and Y Axis control height then hold right click and drag your mouse down

if you want to make a deeper hole, go to property menu and type what negative number you want on the floor height

However if you do that, you get this when you look outside

plus the ceiling in the hole is blocked so you have make it visiable and non-solid

[compact helm]

Ok, i think i can get it correctly

[compact helm]

I hope so its not to much big the map I want to do

[compact helm]

How i made the circular zone?

[echo oyster]

What circular zone???

[sly steppe]

A circle? When you make a shape you can press left click to make a dot, like drawing an actually shape

[outer pond]

I uh made a thingy.
https://youtu.be/9zTx44PDuyU?

It's just a texture/sprite replacement for Fallen Aces yk nothing too big

[outer pond]

idk if this counts as "self promo" but for those who want it, here it is ig.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3553518557

[sly steppe]

backroom soup

[compact helm]

I want make the map as big the chapter 2, how i should do that?

[echo oyster]

Draw a big shape???

[compact helm]

How big is my question. how mych big

[echo oyster]

Take a look at how big chapter 2 is and make it that big

[compact helm]

How i do that?

[echo oyster]

Open chapter 2 in the editor and look how wide and long it is based off the grid

[compact helm]

Now my question its how I mesure the map with out making a mistake.

[compact helm]

Because if i do that i will sadly destroy a chapter...

[echo oyster]

What?????? How

Count the freaking squares on the grid

[stuck hazel]

Copy the level and open the copy then?

[compact helm]

Ufff. There is any tool for mesure? Thats bad

[echo oyster]

No.

Jeez dude, just eyeball it

[outer pond]

i have a feeling you've played the complex: expedition before.

[sly steppe]

Nope but I am planning on getting it once it’s on sale

Btw have you seen this before https://youtu.be/Lx9VYzpT9Nk?si=8necMl3j-nZmwmYG

[outer pond]

oh yeah, i remember seeing that one from like a year ago, i think

[outer pond]

it is very decent for a backrooms game, i'd say waiting for it to be on sale is the better choice, it's definitely long and has tons of content, but after the first area it kind of lacks a little, but at least the soup guy/RayRay is in the game, and it follows you

[sly steppe]

https://youtu.be/4iqHjLLJ9wU?si=BLlHND9518GSdDYX

[manic swift]

Nice to finally start seeing tutorials for aceED

[sly steppe]

Trey did it first