#fats and proteins in the AM, carbs and greens in the PM

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vestal tendon
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This is my scientifically informed superstition about when to eat what. My reasoning:

  • fats are important for producing hormones and neurotransmitters
  • proteins are dopaminergic and eating more encourages muscle synthesis
  • carbs are too good an energy source and makes you slow if you eat them earlier in the day
  • vegetables can tell the time of day and switches over to energy saving mode in the PM so you have to sneak up on them to steal their complex carbs
rancid zenith
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The great part about carbs is that they're fast to digest, you can just eat more of them when "slow" and you can store the glucose in your body for later.

Proteins are harder to use as fuel source but can be anyway, though they take longer to break down into glucose than carbs.

Fats obviously have more calories per gram but not very effective for brain fuel. Very important for fat-soluable vitamins (Vit. K, E, D & A) Trying to live off fat is like drinking sea water for hydration, it takes more than it gives you to use it. (or like current nuclear fusion)

With this knowledge we should decide to eat mostly Carbs AM for energy, mostly Protein PM before sleep when you enter a metabolic state good for repair. Fats can be spread evenly throughout the day I guess?cutehaha

vestal tendon
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shots of olive oil

rancid zenith
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Not what I had in mind but if you're into itlmoa

shell wharf
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Need amino acids from proteins to make your own proteins. Fats and carbs are good energy sources but proteins are the building material needed for your body's enzymes, which are needed to chemically change anything into anything else. Proteins are only nutritional source of nitrogen, so the bit about surviving on only fats requiring your body to do nuclear fusion or fission isn't far off ha, at least if you also were not getting nitrogen from the atmosphere either. (Spoilers for Project Hail Mary) ||iirc this is implied to be how astrophage gets nitrogen and other elements heavier than oxygen, but don't remember for sure)||

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I would have beans and rice with some kimchi and oil and vinegar in mornings and then have oatmeal with peanut butter and banana at night for awhile

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And some pumpkin seeds in there too

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Was missing something but wasn't sure what

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Definitely felt better when I had some potatos for dinner, but ants got into my potatoes one time and it discouraged me from getting them more often :'

buoyant tide
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sneak up on the buggers

latent hamlet
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If carbs give you energy the fastest, why do they make you feel sluggish/food coma’ed right after you eat them?

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Is that just what the initial energy investment to digest food quickly feels like? Whereas fats and protein are too spread out to be noticeable?

shell wharf
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Ants traumatized me one time I ran back to dorm between classes for a quick breakfast after skipping it to get to class on time. Pour first cereal into bowl, fine. Pour second cereal into bowl, it is filled with ants. I am out of first cereal. That building had an ant problem. I forgot what I did for breakfast after that bu I did spend a bit of time sitting there feeling bad ha :/

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Wouldn't have had this problem if I stuck to fats and proteins in the morning tho, you know?

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Forgot if i switched to the beans and rice after that or what

severe marsh
vestal tendon
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yeah it's for bulking and getting swole

severe marsh
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I'm not super convinced about many of the bulking methods I've seen people use. they often seem to go very far with the excess amount of calories, and then having to cut back

vestal tendon
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i think a lot of the benefit comes from literally just eating more regularly

severe marsh
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not only that, but it doesn't seem like there's a difference between moderate excess (something like +200 kcal) and the huge amounts of excess that people use

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probably yeah, just having everything available

latent hamlet
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It's one of the many things that makes sense for professional powerlifters, but not for the average person who just wants to look hot and carry their girlfriend/golden retriever/50lb sack of flour around

severe marsh
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that's kind of what I mean. but I'm not talking about the average person going to the gym occasionally, because I'm not aware of them doing it. I'm talking about actual gym rats who keep going through cycles of bulking up and cutting

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this group also has significant overlap with another group, which uses PEDs. but the PED group will have far fewer effects from excess caloric intake

latent hamlet
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So they can and should bulk way more

vestal tendon
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people typically go by grams of proteins per kg of bodyweight because high protein diets are better for lean mass gain

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also it's much easier to cut at the same time as growing on beginner gains (or roids)

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simply eating more is anabolic (actually idk enough about this to comment)

severe marsh
# vestal tendon i think those are broscience numbers from 2010s

yes but information doesn't propagate instantaneously. and more importantly, plenty of the bro things work. they just tend to be suboptimal compared to cutting edge. however if you built your base around broscience back then, individually or as something else, you would not necessarily even seek out anythinf new

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case in point, older than broscience. Rippetoe. his stuff works. plenty of people still flock toward him. but it would be hard to find an individual to whom this method would be optimal

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I'm not sure if getting proteins is new though. what I do think is new is the ratio of consuming grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight being way higher. which also seems to have some scientific support behind it

violet fox
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This is probably me just being a bro speaking but I gained some 8kgs of muscle mass through the summer eating about 1k extra daily calories in carbs + protein, aiming for 100-120 daily grams protein and training 6 days per week, minimized fat intake to bare minimum, no sweets, 1 cheat meal per week

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(I feel so intellectually behind in this server it's intimidating to chat here)

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but yeah, didn't get fat or lose abs, still have them relatively visible without contraction, under decent lighting

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it's not necessarily a pleasant or easy experience to give up on a lot of things that I've been used to all of my life, but you get used to it fairly easy after a rough first month

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There are a couple things I could be doing to optimize all of this, but for my current financial situation this is the best I can do.

vestal tendon
violet fox
severe marsh
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that really is absolutely ridiculously good progress, damn!