General thread

[finite orchid]

En fair enogh I'll sight research for the mental sex thing

[slate dew]

Good idea!

Citations always shine up an argument

Even if they're irrelevant haha

[finite orchid]

Your right I have a ton of trouble writing a lot

[finite orchid]

Trolling

[slate dew]

Not really. Your job is to make them look relevant

That's writing

[finite orchid]

@shy coral oh and I forgot to say this but thank you for the help

[shy coral]

you seem very succinct in your ideas - it is good, it's nice to be able to synthesize ideas into shorter sentences

[gaunt junco]

Are you guys talking about mental sex? wtf?

[shy coral]

but sometimes you'll really want to bleed them words dry

[finite orchid]

So true

[finite orchid]

For sure and give lots of examples

!!!!

[slate dew]

Especially for intro and summative conclusion

[finite orchid]

I'll grind more on it

Thank you all for the help

[jaunty crater]

cyber sex is over

[finite orchid]

Direct mind link is now available!!!

[shy coral]

np lil gremlin

writing is the bomb

[slate dew]

One trick that always helped me back as a lit major was to always rely on my paraphrasals (lmfao) of the citation to explain my argument to make it look a lot less new because I always talked like a crazy person when it came out of my own brain

[finite orchid]

I just realized I love writing in that style

[slate dew]

Frankenargue

[slate dew]

You're a stream of conch, like me

I'm also good at titling, naming, etc

[finite orchid]

Fr

[slate dew]

Makes being a monkey worth it tbh

We already have our Shakespeare

Lmfao

[shy coral]

i like both. shorter-heavy-hitter sentences and longer-flurry-strikes of many words

[finite orchid]

I'm only 17 I hope when I'm older I can get better!!!!!

[shy coral]

for sure you will

[slate dew]

I have to use both in my prosaic, but poetry affords me a comfort in the heavy hitters

[slate dew]

You got mad skills, give you that

I was more of a hemingway at your age. Run ons.

You already have the jucier skill

You'll get way better.

[finite orchid]

I hope so!!!!

[finite orchid]

Thank you<333

[shy coral]

do post it in some art thread/channel sometime, id love to see it

[long flint]

Nooooooooooo not at all

[finite orchid]

I take that post back

I was wrong

[long flint]

This was ironic, we're the worst sometimes

(most of the time)

[shy coral]

Lmao

[long flint]

Glorious French ppl

[finite orchid]

Real

I am French

I knew a French guy online he was a creature

Would bug me and all the other guys for pics of them on in dressed he would say it in the funniest ways

I blocked him tho

Tbh that's a W

[full fog]

i was always off-put by the concept of exercise, but recently ive started to just jam out to music i like and dance to it and work a sweat and it's much funner than i expected

like i had a pretty shitty day today cause of beurocracy but i danced after i came home from work and worked up a sweat, sometimes dancing, sometimes running in place, but it made me feel a lot better

especially now that im after a shower

[winged shadow]

I’ll give your essay a look after work

[jaunty crater]

new word for pedo

[random tusk]

You should totally give dance dance revolution a try!

[random tusk]

I've been in such a weird mood today. I woke up late and missed the bus to get to my physics class so I was bummed about that but I got to spend the morning wjth my gf and went on a bike ride, so it was nice, but it was difficult for me get up and start doing tasks.

[pallid nebula]

Have some drugs they help

Coffee alcohol cigarettes

Btw, what happened with the submarine?

[random tusk]

Still printing it

[winged shadow]

@finite orchid I read your essay. I agree with your thesis and think you make use of some interesting constructions in your writing. The major issue is that it should probably be longer. Like one of the other people in here said, sources should be there for each side of the issue, as well as an explanation of how you digress from each side and a factual synthesis of your own. The conclusion could be lengthened, too, and the summarizing thought should probably be reworded. That part where you make a plea to consider everyone’s feelings might seem a bit weak and hand-wavey from an academic standpoint. Perhaps change it around to something along the lines of, “Given that this is a highly nuanced issue, the subjective experiences of all people are arguably analogous to data points themselves; thus we should be skeptical of dismissing anyone outright” or something like that

Also, your intro with the Hegel quote (which I thought was really cool, even though I’m not familiar with his work,) seems like a combination of an abstract and an intro paragraph (a quote like that wouldn’t usually be seen in an abstract) But since this is your personal project, it’s really up to you in regard to format

[pallid nebula]

Yeah I know, but what happened with the thread?

[sterile cave]

etymological word of the day
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tetartohedral

[winged shadow]

Tart

[full fog]

How can I invest in STDs? It's a real market bull.

[sterile cave]

bruh

https://www.roblox.com/games/5846386835/RetroStudio

they really made roblox in roblox

this is not Roblox Studio bruh

this is Studio fully recreated in Roblox

I am amazed

I guess it makes sense that it's doable in principle but wow they did that

[jaunty crater]

they should make roblox in roblox in roblox

https://tenor.com/view/inception-deeper-go-deeper-we-need-to-go-deeper-leonardo-di-caprio-gif-16756828

[finite orchid]

Thank you I will write more!!!! And follow the advice

[finite orchid]

I had it there to give a idea of the project of the essay

[shy coral]

what is the project of the essay anyways and what is the escope [[if you mean to publish it

¿

[finite orchid]

Make a new model of gender

[pallid nebula]

I wonder if someday we may be able to become dragons or other animals with crispr

[finite orchid]

That would be so epic and cool and I could finally wolf rp in real life

[pallid nebula]

It will be like fallout 3 too, armies of mutants made by the government for wars

It's funny I miss that green dude who followed us

[shy coral]

i wrote my intedisciplinary bachelor diricted project on it lol

in 48hours and got an 8,0 on it at the end

[pallid nebula]

What was your conclusion? That is really cool

[shy coral]

i designed an experiment for treating a genetic condition i have, thats it ;B

[winged shadow]

zuck's crispr-troglodyte army

[finite orchid]

why do people feel the need to comment on my height irl

[pallid nebula]

Go ahead I am listening

[shy coral]

i can send it if you want, it is pt-br after all

[pallid nebula]

Because they are horny, maybe it's like my hair

Sure

[thin jacinth]

short ppl get these too

(assuming you're tall bc Climbe)

Nobody's allowed to just have a body anymore. If you're hot it's a thing, if you're ugly it's a thing, if you have secondary sex characteristics it's a huge thing, if you have hair that's a color old ladies ask if they can have it to make a wig. We all ought to wear these things

[finite orchid]

It makes me feel dysphoric

I'm 6 foot 5

[thin jacinth]

yeah, that's really awful

[finite orchid]

:///

[thin jacinth]

it's hard enough to come to terms with your own body, why do people have to draw attention to it

[finite orchid]

I don't know

And when I say I don't like it I get lectured about how I'm so lucky and should be more grateful

And yeah that's actually happened before

[sterile cave]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrate_Bisexuality_Day

https://tenor.com/view/flag-waving-windy-trans-pride-flag-gif-16799582

remember to eat hot chip and lie today

[pallid nebula]

Well, maybe in your position I would just turn on the fuck it and start to do my best to make other people uncomfortable about saying that, kind of making then reciprocate with your feelings. Say something like I am even taller when I am naked, want to see that?

Ask yourself, what would diogenes do?

Maybe that is the way to go in life

[shy coral]

maybe they do it as sort of compliments or something else they might admire about you etc

[shy coral]

get arrested speedrun challenge

[finite orchid]

I don't like to do that I like to be nice and have fun

[finite orchid]

Lmfaoooo

@shy coral I found your profile pic

[shy coral]

yep it's an AU dipper

[finite orchid]

Yeah I found it on your profile

[brisk patrol]

god my mother both hated my hair but was like “im going to cut it off and make a wig of it”

[shy coral]

wdym which profile

[finite orchid]

Your discord one

[shy coral]

oh couldve been the pinterest one, figures

[random tusk]

I had a good studying session this morning and I remembered how fun it is to code

Happy bi day!

[pallid nebula]

Oh shit congrats on your pregnancy

[shy coral]

Bison

[sterile cave]

YES

[sterile cave]

general thread is the general thread

[shy coral]

general the first of it's name

[sterile cave]

can we generalize this?

[shy coral]

general [first] generations

[cursive basalt]

hey @shy coral do you know anywhere to watch Brazilian tv shows/movies

[shy coral]

with proper subtitles only on stremio/torrents and even still might be some digging

i recommend this one, it's a classic gem adaptation of a short-story about trickery, hell, good and redemption

[cursive basalt]

dude thats what im trying to watch

[shy coral]

its very kino

[cursive basalt]

all my torrent sites dont have anything from brazil very sad

idk what kino is but i will know soon

which addons do you recommend?

[shy coral]

these are the ones i use

[cursive basalt]

ty ty

[shy coral]

for series you can catch some on netflix, i also rly recommend "invisible city" (urban fantasy) and "3%" (dystopian sci-fi)

[cursive basalt]

is 3% really good? and a netflix original?

[shy coral]

tbh i cant say "really good" because the later seasons fall a bit short, but its above mid and actually is an okay extrapolation/representation of current politics --- also it is a netflix original yes but its been adapted from a yt solo pitch back from ~2015

[cursive basalt]

oooh alright cool ill check it out. i did try watch it before but the dubbed english ruined it a bit

[finite orchid]

For what?

[cursive basalt]

hello grem : D what addons for streamio

[finite orchid]

Ahh

Uhhh im not sure sorry

violentmonkey is good for general use

You can find scripts for sites and download and use them with violentmonkey

[cursive basalt]

thats a good idea thanks, does it only work as a browser extension?

[finite orchid]

Yeah I think so

[cursive basalt]

ty ty i will use it well

but anyway my powers about to go off byeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!

[finite orchid]

byeee

[gaunt junco]

this is a forum now?

sad

[acoustic fern]

@finite orchid ooooo ill read your essay later today

[finite orchid]

<3333 keep in mind its not done, I can't wait to see what you have to say

[acoustic fern]

@finite orchid ok i put your essay in a google doc and added a lot of comments

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h9p6msrsjoKVnZIy8bYUrCCdhiLSwIeBkLHCW9Tfupo/edit?usp=sharing

Broadly speaking, in addition to what has already been said, I think you need to justify and reason through your arguments more. Right now this essay reads like a series of independent assertions, which often don't seem to have any clear relationship to each other; it's good for a bullet list of the topics you want to cover but it doesn't cohere at all in prose.

Also, a lot of the sentences are kind of repetitive. There'll be one idea, that's then backed up by a restatement of that idea. This problem is more pronounced in the preface and closing sections.

Finally, I'm curious what your audience is, and how long you intend for this essay to be. You mentioned before how you might want this to be your college essay. Are you still aiming for that, or is this a more general thing?

As for the ideas, I'm still not quite sure what you're trying to say. The dialectical theory of gender for instance -- is the dialectic between "gender" and another concept, or between male and female, or essence and appearance, or all of the above or something else?

Here's my best guess for what you mean, let me know if this sounds right: objective concepts like mental and physical sex are created dialectically from subjective gendered experience, via language. one's mental and physical sex can be misaligned, which manifests as transness. As such, transness is based on objective sex, not just cultural gender, but objective sex is itself appearance.

[finite orchid]

Na I'm not interested in submitting it to collage

[torpid solar]

gremlin intends to force hegel himself to read it

[finite orchid]

Kind of, mental sex is underneath gender, mental sex only exists in any meaningful way if you go though gender. Also gender is its self both opposed to its self dialectically, and also is indistinct with in its self.

Essence can only be accessed though appearance

[finite orchid]

@acoustic fern thanks for the feed back I'll rewrite the second paragraph to make it more cohesive tbh this draft is a good stepping stone

[blazing wolf]

"The experience of some gendered experience appears to be a part of the human experience"

It does need some work.

I would like to hear it go into the significance of gender as a part of human experience and the role of gender roles in defining the characteristics of the genders.

The essay, though, covers a lot... More than a conventional essay would.

Generally, when writing an essay, if you want to focus on something, you laser into it or you keep it all general.
Intermingling the general and specific can be confusing/disorienting unless properly signposted.

I would keep it all general but still show the direction you're going in.

And if you want to go into specifics, forewarn people so they know when they're entering the wormhole.

[finite orchid]

I don't like the last paragraph I will likely delete it and rewrite the whole thing

[brisk patrol]

id say that gender is psychological sex characteristics. obviously the way we talk about it is shaped by culture (probably why autistic people are more likely to come out as trans. less likely to conform to social norms)

[finite orchid]

Na gender I think is much more then that its socially built, and I would probably describe psychological sex characteristics as mental sex

[brisk patrol]

i think there is a point where it is impossible to parse the physical from the cultural. unfortunately we require certain frameworks to even interpret physical phenomena

[slate dew]

The odd thing about mental sex as an idea is that in ideal ideas, we'd all agree to its constituency

Like i don't think we all have the same conceptual margins for mental sex's parameters

So you'd need to apply it to a certain procedure's nominal variable.

[brisk patrol]

oh certainly

[patent dew]

. .

U

[winged shadow]

i agree with your thesis in terms of social constructivism and reductive bio-determinism (in context, "gender" is a vacuous concept outside of bio sex) being wrong. what ten swords was saying above about unclear parameters was what I got from your conclusion, but I'm not sure if that's what you meant. Looks like lilian has a more specific formulation of the problem in mind

[acoustic fern]

rise and grind folks rise and grind

[finite orchid]

I think to some extent it would be some what naive to claim that brain chemistry and genetics don't play a major role in your gender and how you think about it

Honestly this project might have been to big for me to take on a this age

[winged shadow]

i agree

[finite orchid]

And in my current head space

[winged shadow]

ALL RISE

FOR THE HONORABLE JUDGE JOE BROWN

[slate dew]

I wanna see a ufc fight planned between all the daytime tv judges like Joe Brown, Judy, Mathis, etc.

Oprah Winfrey is the announcer but the sportscasters are all like, Maury and Springer types

Dr. Oz is on deck to treat all injuries in the fight, of courae

And everyone has to be evaluated by Doctor Phil in the prelims to even get a title shot.

[brisk patrol]

theres already evidence that hormones in utero can influence sexuality (the more older brothers there are, the more likely the younger brother is gay) so i wouldnt be shocked if there are similar findings down the line

[torpid solar]

move on and write something else. Put the reps in

[sterile cave]

you're better to recognize it earlier

my undergrad papers in philosophy were pretty bad and i thought i was good at writing

it's not that they didn't have content necessarily, just that they were a bit too lofty and i found myself stretched thin in my arguments

it's good to carefully construct things that are very solid but relatively simple

that goes for a lot of things

[finite orchid]

Ong that's what im doing with my current essay. I posted about it in #1023276437404385401

[sterile cave]

by this i mean at first; after a couple of years of undergrad i was getting better (i think)

[finite orchid]

I think I'm a descent writer at least for my age its inevitable that I'll look back and see how bad it is

[winged shadow]

most of what you do starting off will miss the mark in terms of style, yeah

in school, you don't even really learn how to write well

[torpid solar]

don't obsess over each output for long

[finite orchid]

I'm going to grind this winter and spring on my writing

[torpid solar]

learn to move onto the next piece

[finite orchid]

Writing to me has a element of spontaneity to it I don't enjoy dwelling on arbitrary things

[slate dew]

Of course a lot of information will seem obvious at first, but you keep finding new ways to learn stuff from the same old thing.

[torpid solar]

think of it like sets of exercise, like it's good to get a form check but you won't get stronger by doing one perfect rep

[slate dew]

Lmao right. Accuracy over precision.

[finite orchid]

[torpid solar]

one of the patterns you see with people who are too smart for their own good and have dogshit taste is that they take each of what they make too seriously and don't let go

you see this sometimes with noob artists working on one drawing for like months

and you look at it and it just sucks ass and they should have spent the time sketching new stuff

[winged shadow]

huberman lab actually did a segment on this (i haven't watched the whole thing yet). part of why reading helps improve your writing so much is that oftentimes you move your tongue around while reading, which encodes constructions and elements of style, making them available for retrieval.

[sterile cave]

this is right, although to offer a cope, I'd say that it's hard to know where to draw the line sometimes

[finite orchid]

Balck well says that his rule is if hes debating on how to word something he'll leave it for a few days and come back to it

[torpid solar]

yea thats like a meta thing you have to learn as well

[finite orchid]

And when he comes back to it he generally forgets about it and sees how arbitrary it was

[torpid solar]

takes self awareness thats way way harder to learn than the apparent skills involved

[sterile cave]

with my neural rendering project, I felt like I hadn't "really finished it" and I kept making it better and better, and it was getting better but also there came a point where I just said fuck I don't know where to stop

I just wanted something to feel finished

[torpid solar]

this is one of my weaknesses and im working hard on counteracting it too

the thing is that the best work you can do rn will probably pale in comparison to whatever average crap you can whip up after a year of not trying to do that (and engaging in deliberate learning instead of arrogantly trying to make every output perfect)

[sterile cave]

the hard truth

[torpid solar]

@finite orchid trust yourself to get good by practising and trust us to let you know

[slate dew]

There's also the idea of cadence and metre

Time is so important to delivery

It makes jokes funny.

[finite orchid]

I will have faith

[winged shadow]

i'm sort of the opposite of you guys. I spend so much time idly thinking that I haven't gotten around to even finishing a project yet

i want to start up my blog soon

[finite orchid]

That's awesome

[winged shadow]

even if it starts off low-quality

[finite orchid]

Not in the slightest.

[sterile cave]

Doing is very important

[slate dew]

I never finish anything. Apparebtly its a symptom of something i have but i dont want that to stop me, D.W. Style.

[sterile cave]

but I fall victim to it as well

[slate dew]

Daoism should be called Do-ism

[finite orchid]

How kids get good at drawing is making shitty worrier cats ocs

[sterile cave]

I have things on my list that I don't have the energy for, but tbh life situation makes a big difference ;-;

[torpid solar]

try writing into #1023130394532524103 first so it's low pressure, then copy it out into the site after

[slate dew]

Well like, you need to develop muscles to make visually impressive strokes

So like yeah you need to work out you mistakes

No swordsman can perfect a flourish in a year

Usually takes like 2 or 3 lol

[finite orchid]

@torpid solar maybe we could have a monthly essay contest

[torpid solar]

not even the ten of swordsman

[slate dew]

The ten of swordsman? 🤣😂🤣

[torpid solar]

good idea, maybe we can publish anthologies of the submissions on the site too

[slate dew]

Here he lies

[finite orchid]

Yeah I like the idea of having a monthly prompt

[torpid solar]

when the weight of unfinished projects gets you

[slate dew]

100 of swords

[finite orchid]

Because having a prompt is a good little push to give you ideas

[torpid solar]

we could make a philosophers guild in the server where people read and write together, like a separate category

i mentioned the idea of a conceptual engineering channel in #general-3 and it would also go nicely with it

no access

[winged shadow]

conceptual engineering is an area i'm interested in

[slate dew]

A lot was just chinese mythography mixed with Alchemal theory and martial forms suited to particular shaolin dyanastic developments in mma.

Lmao a normal saturday for me 8 years ago.

Or 6? Time is funny

These actually fit the sever mood better

[finite orchid]

Maybe a forum

[shy coral]

i liked the dream surrealist short story, whoever wrote it and deleted it

[slate dew]

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/physics-needs-philosophy-philosophy-needs-physics/

[slate dew]

It and the sequel were posted to the Art forum thread

Both are short and structurally identical, reccommended both for max surrealism

Thanks

[acoustic fern]

ya ive been feeling this too and its hard to navigate between this and wanting to make something long form

serialization kinda helps. like w a comic each panel is quick and low commitment, but you still get the chance to make something larger

or like, writing a longer essay in parts

[sterile cave]

some projects are worth continuing i think

but good to do other things too

and hard to know how to find balance there

[finite orchid]

True Hegel's philosophy will only be fully developed with the maturity of physics

Hegel left physics indeterminate

[torpid solar]

you've helped me with snapping out of the mistaken urge to grind on one work before, namely with getting the forum up and running

[winged shadow]

how seriously do you guys take hegel here? just curious. I haven't read much into him, but it seems that a lot of people had a negative opinion of him during his time

[finite orchid]

???

[acoustic fern]

hegel good marx good

jk we’re heterogeneous

[finite orchid]

he died the most celebrated philosopher in Europe

[winged shadow]

i'm unfamilar with a lot of areas of continental philosophy

[acoustic fern]

kanban boards 🤓

[winged shadow]

i've heard some negative things but i need to read more obviously

[finite orchid]

There are a ton of myths about him out there

I head some one saying he inspired the Nazis

[winged shadow]

lol

[finite orchid]

I've heard it a lot but I'm sceptical

[shy coral]

hegel is one of end bosses of phil

[finite orchid]

I've never head of a Nazi Hegelian only anti Nazi Hegelians such as Adorno

[winged shadow]

even then, anyone can read their own interpretation into a philosopher from a different time period

seems like a silly criticism

[finite orchid]

It is

[winged shadow]

unless his ideas themselves were closely related

[finite orchid]

You can get almost anything out of a difficult text if you try hard enough

[winged shadow]

my knowledge of philosophy basically entails philosophy of mind, philosophy of math and science, and some logic

have read little continental philosophy. haven't even read much antiquity philosophy, either

seems like most people do that as a stepping stone

i'm just weird ig

like with what you said about hegel being celebrated, i know little about his life or anything like that

[finite orchid]

Fair enough

[torpid solar]

i have a real board that i pin index cards on now!!

[finite orchid]

Blame evola for Nazism

[blazing wolf]

ebola or e coli?

[shy coral]

i hate julius evola and his revolt against the modern world trying to be punk

j.evola stinks!!

[finite orchid]

So true father of modern fascism

[random tusk]

This is one of the things I noticed last semester when I didn't take any classes and just idlly drew things as ideas came and over time I noticed myself looking back like I did this wrong and iterated some more

Also making my first game I tried to make everything perfect but it was too ambitious and frankly it's dog shit and should be forgotten about

[torpid solar]

I tried to advise you about that not so subtly a few times

[random tusk]

Thank you for the advice. You're a good friend Seong

[frank kite]

https://youtu.be/DGqdIxt59dw

[torpid solar]

lovely

[slate dew]

General thread

[rare kayak]

Generally thread