#Let's test out forums

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hollow meadow
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@everyone We're conducting an experiment to test out Discord's newly rolled out forum functionality. The server is temporarily forums only. Come try making some cool threads so we can see what it's all about, and brainstorm for some good ideas for future designs for the server that makes it fun and productive to participate in.

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@everyone

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why does the ping not work lmao

drowsy vapor
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what if we make a bunch of posts in a secret channel or forum before making it public and then have like a scavenger hunt through it

compact dome
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so whats the use case for this feature

misty escarp
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I think pinging twice woudn't have been pretty nice for some people anyways. Some people are still working

gleaming oyster
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Yeah

tardy cargo
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hiiiiiiiii hiiiiiiiiii

wraith harbor
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hmmmm

echo notch
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hideous

hollow meadow
echo notch
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this is worse than the webforums of 2003

willow edge
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omg…..

errant tundra
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so this is like everything is a thread (from a channel)

spark cave
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thread!

misty escarp
errant tundra
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opening thread 🧵 1/?

echo notch
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why is it a third of the screen

errant tundra
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you can "open in full view"

echo notch
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this isn't any better

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my god this form of communication is inferior to even the usenet mailing list

astral kraken
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Hello

burnt wharf
astral kraken
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How is this different than threads

hollow meadow
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this is threads

gleaming oyster
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Why the focus on implementation?

compact dome
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this immediately got noisy

hollow meadow
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i have no idea

ruby fossil
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how is this different from a channel?

cedar flint
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bruh general is gone too what

tardy cargo
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This is such a mess lmao

hollow meadow
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but we are empirically minded here and so we are gonna test it out

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this is actually not a very forum-like experiment

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*experience

errant tundra
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this is like a lot of themed chatrooms

cedar flint
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crey im so saaaaad bring back general

tardy cargo
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When I'm older I should make a website forum and blog that would be epic and cool

dusky stag
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pog

tardy cargo
compact dome
cedar flint
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pleade wtf so sad

compact dome
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or the yahooligans ones

tardy cargo
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I cry so sad

ruby fossil
errant tundra
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we should make a new general

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general thread!

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chat thread!

tardy cargo
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So true

errant tundra
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General Thread 🫡

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Private Message 🫡

compact dome
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ok i made it

cedar flint
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...just bring back the old general crey

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what about all the old pins

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all the old messages

hollow meadow
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its ok they're all there

compact dome
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if i cant see them they arent real

hollow meadow
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but im committed to testing it out for several days up to like one week

crude vector
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this is so cool

thorn frost
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I wanna write heady things about the mechanics of memes

cedar flint
hollow meadow
tardy cargo
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The forums feel clunky

cedar flint
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this makes me sad

burnt wharf
novel pewter
ruby fossil
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jesus so many new threads

tardy cargo
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These things feel so janky to use

cedar flint
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idk if i will use the chat this way but i will try

compact dome
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i strongly dislike how many conversations it feels like im not a part of

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not in a "its all about me" way but like, in a traditional discord server, all the channels i can see notify unless i choose to mute them. theyre opt-out. forums (and threads) are opt-in, and thats weird

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i like to catch up on the discords im in linearly, channel by channel. this feels like it makes that harder

errant tundra
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FOMO creeping in

compact dome
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yeah thats a better way to put it

errant tundra
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I think what might happen is like, there's "too many threads" and it becomes noise

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but I guess we'll see?

compact dome
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theres already 17 (!!!) but i know itll slow down once the novelty wears off

drowsy vapor
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that is already happening

cedar flint
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i want forums and channels

misty escarp
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Yeah, it doesn't seem like it'll go well

misty escarp
cedar flint
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i didnt think everything would get swept underneath my feet

boreal stone
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and you can only see 4-5 threads at a time on a lot of setups

compact dome
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but at the same time, i prefer the more natural organic method the old system dictated

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where you just say what you want in an appropriate existing channel. feels more conversational

boreal stone
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not a problem if not many are active, but is if they are

compact dome
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forums feel a lot more formal

cedar flint
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yeah i want forums for more serious directed conversations

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where i dont want ppl spamming while we're having a good convo

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but i also want the speed of channels

boreal stone
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yeah, that i agree with

compact dome
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agree, but threads already serve that purpose

boreal stone
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hybrid would be ideal

compact dome
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since it sounds like those conversations are taking place already

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so then you splinter off into the thread?

cedar flint
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threads do feel less visible than forums imo

misty escarp
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I think threads probably work better, but the forums start a conversation DIRECTLY

compact dome
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yeah if you dont see the thread you have to notice the icon, that is true. although now the on-hover on the channel shows you active threads, so its better than it was

misty escarp
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it's weird

compact dome
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server admins, are there perms on who can start a forum post?

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or is it everyone or no one

misty escarp
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I made 2 threads, so I guess it's everyone

compact dome
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yeah its open here but i mean like

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can it be more controlled

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my servers dont have access to the feature yet so i cant check

misty escarp
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we'll see

echo notch
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bring the full experience of e-dictatorship to philosopher's meme

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each user is allowed one post an hour

compact dome
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this is VERY strange to me too

echo notch
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if the post is a philosophy or a meme then they are allowed more posts

compact dome
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if youre looking at the list of forum posts, you can see when people are typing in them. but when they post the message, you dont see a preview of the latest message (like you do often on traditional forums)

echo notch
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if the post is not a philosophy or a meme their posting will be... curtailed

compact dome
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it just says the time and how many new. gimme a preview smh. it makes me feel like seong is always the last person talking in this thread

drowsy vapor
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this uhh reminds me of when an egoist nuked jreg's server after the admin position passed between a few ideologies :|

compact dome
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also discord already has threads and forum posts are traditionally called threads with individual messages being called posts. so wtf are these called. forum thread vs channel thread?

errant tundra
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a channel where you can only make threads

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that's why it's like a forum

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to communicate in a forum, you must start a thread/post

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then make a reply post/comment/message

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it's not just an endless chain of messages

hollow meadow
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yeah i gotta say this actually feels terrible to use atm

errant tundra
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yeah

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maybe forum channels could be better instead of individual, one-off threads

novel pewter
errant tundra
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but idk if like this is epic

hollow meadow
drowsy vapor
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there was one long time ago

hollow meadow
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by the time i joined the server was named "Poland" and everyone's name was chaned to jreg

drowsy vapor
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i don't remember that era ha

novel pewter
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yeah honestly even semi big online communities shouldn't have discord servers without the heaviest moderation. especially if its anything political

cedar flint
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can forum threads be pinned

novel pewter
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they always get nuked 2 death

compact dome
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it looks like discord calls them "forum posts"

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so i guess these are just individual messages

cedar flint
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can forum posts be pinned

drowsy vapor
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i think i inspired the "state with just me in it" video from some jokes i made in the server but not sure

misty escarp
cosmic vortexBOT
compact dome
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oops

hollow meadow
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what is the big deal

thorn frost
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welp, that was fun

hollow meadow
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i dont get them

errant tundra
drowsy vapor
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it's just a channel you can only make threads in
edit: said forums instead of threads 💀

hollow meadow
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*threads

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yea

errant tundra
hollow meadow
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but you know

errant tundra
hollow meadow
cedar flint
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what if we just took the philosopher's meme discord server, and pushed it into threads?

hollow meadow
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so there's not even that

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it already existed

errant tundra
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what if we made a recursive channel

hollow meadow
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this is just a new UI on top

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whats that

errant tundra
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a

cedar flint
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thread in a thread in a thread in a thread in

errant tundra
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that's what she said!

compact dome
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i tried you cant make threads in here

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literally 1984 BC

errant tundra
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we have reddit at home

misty escarp
cedar flint
drowsy vapor
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I don't think it lets us make recursive threads unfortunately

compact dome
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i know

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so we cant

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literally 1984

hollow meadow
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literally

drowsy vapor
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or fortunately

errant tundra
hollow meadow
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literally 1984891

errant tundra
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no you can't add that 891

drowsy vapor
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lets make a calendar where it's always 1984

compact dome
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the circular nature of this conversation is becoming recursive anyway

errant tundra
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because you canot put a thread within a thread

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so no fun allowed

hollow meadow
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nooo

compact dome
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forums are just a channel where you can only make threads

cedar flint
drowsy vapor
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i liked the idea of having a bot give different roles depending on reactions and people navigating between them by reacting

hollow meadow
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nooo i dont wanna get brainwashed with a rat and succumb to totalitarian oppression of the individual human spirit

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big brother is alright actually

drowsy vapor
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*navigating between channels

errant tundra
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im getting deja vu

compact dome
errant tundra
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mandela effect

compact dome
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that sounds amazing

errant tundra
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vuvuzela garmonbozia

misty escarp
compact dome
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jamais vu

cedar flint
drowsy vapor
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hmm

errant tundra
misty escarp
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MORE PENGUINS

boreal stone
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4891

gleaming oyster
cedar flint
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guys check out this realy cool bread #1020127883131375717 message

hollow meadow
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i can see some use cases for forum channels

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for example, exploring a specific resource like a link list together

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or for running a self organised event like a game jam

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or a "help" board

errant tundra
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I think it's just way better than self contained "threads" within regular channels, for many uses

hollow meadow
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yeah

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i think it's probably good for stuff that you don't wanna keep up with as a whole anyway

misty escarp
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It might be better for only people with admin perms to use it then

hollow meadow
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do you guys know what AwesomeLists are on github

compact dome
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i can see me using them for situations where im currently using temporary threads and channels, but for something more temporary than a channel dictates, and with more visibility/permanent than a thread

hollow meadow
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they're massive lists of various resources related to a theme

tardy cargo
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whats the general consensus about the forums

compact dome
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for example when GDQ rolls around itd be good to have a forum post for it instead of a thread in a gaming channel thats gonna scroll up and be hard to see, but doesnt need its own channel

errant tundra
hollow meadow
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right yeah i see what you mean

compact dome
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ive seen some, i used some for studying for system designs interviews. i dont know that i saw them called awesomelists though

hollow meadow
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yeah so awesomelists, they're so long and kind of daunting to go through by yourself, but fun if you have someone else

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gamedevs do similar stuff with massive itch.io collections

tardy cargo
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will these stay??????

hollow meadow
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no

tardy cargo
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ah alright wild

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this formats growing on me i think its cool for what it is

cedar flint
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cant rel8

hollow meadow
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this is but a fleeting festival of forums

tardy cargo
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although i think its weird on discord id rather have a web site

hollow meadow
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it will be shut down soon

tardy cargo
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alr

crude vector
gleaming oyster
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Thats why everyday among inch time foot gem

gusty portal
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you know what's super annoying? clicking on threads, someone sending a message, and the thread display jumping around

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meaning you either need to hover your mouse back over to the correct thread, or the click just doesn't register while the jump occurs

hollow meadow
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i also dont like the screen split

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it's normally fine for sporadic threads

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but when it's all threads it's a pain in the ass

gusty portal
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I didn't really use this for much more than like 10 minutes in total, but it happened multiple times. some threads got bumped, and the clicks just get eaten up by the ether

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but yeah, won't be an issue I guess. it's just kind of weird how this is just threads v. 1.2?

hollow meadow
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yea

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we've been noticing that it's basically nothing

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it's somehow worse because it only lets me pin one thread at a time in the channel

crude vector
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I love the forum model; I think if you kept the spammier threads static (meme shitposts, general) and had the topical threads forum style it could be nice

errant tundra
hollow meadow
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yeah i know that but im having to do that for the dozens of threads i joined

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i guess normal users would not do that

errant tundra
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Yeah it's painful

crude vector
hollow meadow
hollow meadow
boreal stone
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so there are channels

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that's good

drowsy vapor
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hmm what if we make a role for seeing the forums

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that people can turn on and off themselves

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as a workaround so people are able to hide/minimize the forums

hollow meadow
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good idea

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earlier we were discussing the idea of turning different categories into different districts that have different ways of being operated

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kind of like like political systems

boreal stone
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The Pseud Section is a Platonian Aristocracy

crude vector
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secretary?

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LMAO

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is there a way to lock threads when they are completed? should that be a feature to the one who created it to reduce clutter/lingering

hollow meadow
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i think mods and admins can archive them yes

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yes, some districts will have elected leaders

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perhaps others will be merit based or competitive

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others could be based on lot like jury duty

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the possibilities are evocative

vestal rivet
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not going to bother reading the 200 some previous messages but just thinking if we had a bot auto prune threads we could create a mini image board of sorts

hollow meadow
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hahaha good idea

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i wonder if you can do that in one channel

compact dome
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lol

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i mean threads by default auto archive after a certain amount of time of inactivity

crude vector
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Bot commands maybe instead of auto prune?

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or maybe make it thread dependent

compact dome
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doesnt look like forum posts do though, but you could do that without much effort with a regular channel and threads

crude vector
vestal rivet
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it would be pretty hilarious if forum posts auto deleted because it would actually just be a mini 4chan at that point

hollow meadow
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yeah lmfoa

compact dome
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its not quite as anonymous

hollow meadow
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we might as well just set up an imageboard

vestal rivet
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discords innovative idea stolen from 2003

compact dome
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memebooru

hollow meadow
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i wsa thinking we could do meme time chambers

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where we all pile into a private imageboard and force memes

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and it expires after a week

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that's something ive got slated for further down the track, more as a research tool

crude vector
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we should have it capture that thread and delay email us in 3 years

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wouldn’t that be fun

hollow meadow
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loool

vestal rivet
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I was in a group some years past that just existed to force memes and fake information on 4chan

hollow meadow
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hahahahaha

vestal rivet
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it was all silly fun though

hollow meadow
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that rocks

vestal rivet
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The guy running it was the guy who also created r9cute some years later

errant tundra
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Called the astro surfers

vestal rivet
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at least from what I was aware

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just an insane internet human

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I was kicked from the gang for basically just not contributing enough while we forced memes, everyone else there was a bit off their rocker in various ways

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one day I just found myself banned with no explanation

hollow meadow
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hilarious and powerful

vestal rivet
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there's certain types of things that spread really well

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rumors about upcoming events, lost media

hollow meadow
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tell us more

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also we should make a forced memes channel

compact dome
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whats a forced meme exactly

hollow meadow
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it's a colloquial term for memes that are consciously designed instead of arising accidentally from other activities

vestal rivet
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it's basically like pumping a stock but for memes

compact dome
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hm

cedar flint
vestal rivet
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with memes there's this idea that it's all statistical and no one actually cares

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so if you have enough people posting enough garbage eventually it will catch on

hollow meadow
vestal rivet
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that's one theory at least

hollow meadow
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better content that's good obviously do better, all else being equal

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ambiguous content does well too

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they're versatile

vestal rivet
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Ya I think sometimes people call a meme forced when it's just a small group of people who really like it and a bunch of people who don't really like it

hollow meadow
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yea

vestal rivet
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or sometimes a community sort of gets too in love with itself and laughs at jokes no one else thinks are funny

hollow meadow
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a lot of it also comes from anonymity and assigning weird motivations to other posters

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or as defensive paranoia against actual astroturfing

compact dome
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memes are just inside jokes

hollow meadow
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we're well past crying about forced memes in 2022

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it doesn't do enough to protect subcultures and everybody does it now to grow new subcultures

compact dome
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true

hollow meadow
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so it's not clear why it's bad even

compact dome
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well from 4chan days

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it was bad because the reason they were being forced was that nobody wanted to use them

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unfunny, inflexible, redundant, etc

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so i think by your definitions of forcing, its not an inherently negative property

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but the connotation got negative because there was a reason they were being forced

vestal rivet
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it's very easy on 4chan where all the content just comes from the recent posts

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and you can post on small boards

hollow meadow
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yea

compact dome
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oh i guess its also possible they were too common, like the volume was too high, and people got sick of them before they "caught on"

vestal rivet
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and the small boards culture controls the bigger boards culture

hollow meadow
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must be harder on twitter or tiktok where content spread is really granular in how it's distributed to each user

vestal rivet
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I think the equivalent in the modern era might be posting on discords that have influence but I have no idea what any of those might be

hollow meadow
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100%

compact dome
hollow meadow
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they're hidden away and stuff

compact dome
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like a lot

hollow meadow
compact dome
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ok

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well

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theres a ... im not sure how similar of an experience it is

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but there are kind of forced memes on twitter, except its the algorithm doing the forcing

hollow meadow
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i find that there's an incredible sense of urgency to everything people post on twitter but they're like almost never actually the earliest to anything

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very stressful and annoying

compact dome
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people hate them, but the posts are viral for a reason

hollow meadow
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oooh i see

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like an algorithmic front page

compact dome
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a lot of it is low effort relatable (but not bad? content)

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there was like a 2 week period a few months ago

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where every day there was a new super viral tweet on everyones timeline

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that was legitimately like "food when youre hungry hits different"

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150k likes

hollow meadow
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hahahaha

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terrible

compact dome
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yeah

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but it formed a kind of stand alone complex

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because they were doing well even though nobody wanted them and they werent an actual format

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it turned into a format of people aping them

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ironically usually, but sometimes shamelessly for engagement. it was pretty funny

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its something i see a LOT on twitter. i will see both sides of the same coin equally viral

hollow meadow
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lmaooo

compact dome
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"god i fucking hate all those relatable tweets!" x 10, and then 10 x relatable content tweets

hollow meadow
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yeah thats funny as to hear about

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ironic memes started off as parodies of bad normie memes

compact dome
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but also about any like political or social idea or like anything. equal amounts of people complaining about a thing and then also people praising/engaging in thing

hollow meadow
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it's such a reliable formula

compact dome
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with some exceptions. like running up that hill was 100% (on my tl) people complaining about people complaining about people finding the song via stranger things

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but i never saw anyone complaining about people who found it via stranger things

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its fascinating

vestal rivet
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there was an interesting thing that I saw some weeks ago where a number of only fans advertising / egirl accounts on twitter for some reason all posted "who wants to see my pokemons" and random lewds around the same time, and then as far as I'm aware it died in like 2 days, it was a pretty weird meme spike

compact dome
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whoa lol

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i never saw that

hollow meadow
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wild

compact dome
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ooh theres another linkedin esque non-meme-meme going around thats really obnoxious too

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the format is kind of like

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youtube is the most well known video delivery service on the internet. it has 500 bajillion channels, and everyone uses it. but not everyone realizes how much free education you can get from it
here are the top 10 channels for academic research on youtube 🧵

vestal rivet
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some vague post about it

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it was never super large

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(4 pictures)

compact dome
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almost verbatim, but for every major website you can imagine

vestal rivet
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I messed up the quote

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but you get the just

compact dome
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yeah

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trends on twitter catch fire really quickly and die out really quickly

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legitimately "memes" like this can have their entire life cycles in 2 days. i really like it

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that might be why things feel so urgent seong, it might not be because things originate on twitter, but it just moves so incredibly fast, and the volume is super high

vestal rivet
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4chan is well known for it's slow boil where it truly fully cooks the soup before it's released to the public and dies out

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which I think is just due to it's somewhat small and tight nit communities, and the fact that due to stuff being deleted people need to be in the know and constantly browsing to even participate

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so they kind of obsessively look at every little thing and try to remember it because it might be referenced later

compact dome
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that makes sense

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my experience is kind of the opposite though

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for whatever reason

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id idnt spend that much time on 4chan as a teen but i was around for so much iconic shit anyway

vestal rivet
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I think it depends a lot on the board

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I spent basically all my time on s4s

compact dome
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whats that

vestal rivet
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which is maybe too new for you depending on how old you are

compact dome
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yeah

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i stopped using it like maybe a year after r9k showed up

vestal rivet
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"shit 4chan says", joke board moot made april fools day 2013

compact dome
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oh jeez

vestal rivet
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2013-2016 or so it was honestly the best content I ever got to see on the net

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although also probably horrifically caked in racism and misogyny that I was kind of desensitized to

compact dome
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yeah same

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i saw really hilarious shit and a lot of it was only hilarious because i was a total edgelord

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and a minor with a "shock value = good" sense of humor

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like i saw a guy fuck a vacuum on /b/ once

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but i pretty much dont care about any of the stuff from then now. some of the formats sure like greentext is okay i guess

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and i still use pepes i guess, because twitch used them a lot

vestal rivet
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there was some based concepts on s4s like replacing the term f*g with "fig" so they'd call everyone "newfigs" and the concept of "not being rude" was big but in a kind of tongue in cheek ironic way

compact dome
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the fig thing to me is like

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sometimes euphemizing like that isnt really better

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i preferred newfiend or even newfriend to remove the pejorative entirely

vestal rivet
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ya idk I thought it was funny

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a lot of humor was derived from like inverse trolling people from other boards who would come and be edgy and then telling them to stop being rude

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while also simultaneously posting horrendous threads with like 100 posts about some schizophrenic bullshit

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the point kind of ended up just being generating memes that didn't make sense and convincing other people you are no sane

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it more or less is still like that today but is kind of a shadow of itself

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you can get a taste if you still go there but it's not what it used to be

compact dome
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yeah i was gonna say "schizo" memes are kinda widespread now

vestal rivet
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kind of a different style I think

compact dome
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im in a group for explaining jokes

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and like 35% of the content is people posting a "schizo" meme and people being like "yeaahhh youre not gonna understand this one"

vestal rivet
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so like my all time favorite meme from there was basically these two guys on the board would roleplay as neo from the matrix and the lead singer of the flaming lips, wayne coyne

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and the story each time was roughly they'd go to the matrix and eat a hamburger or something

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but they'd make like day long threads with hundreds of posts playing this game

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the prose they developed was insane

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they had really consistant personalities

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I was never sure if it was the same guy each time or not even

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you have no real idea

vestal rivet
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bringing back some painful memories here

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most s4s memes were basically just trying to take the stupidest most worthless thing and force it into something that would exist for years

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an example of one of the really long lived ones is you post this picture of this random monkey in a new thread and the only text is "introducing"

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or the same picture of jean luc picard with the text "tea. earl grey. hot."

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just really nothing there

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it was sort of a game of trying to worship the most useless object

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I think one of the most leaked s4s memes was bury pink girl who was kind of the s4s mascot but I see her around more places these days

compact dome
gleaming oyster
compact dome
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i sorta like

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having my own little cubby of topics im following

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i wish i could reorder them though

gleaming oyster
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You can if you unfollow

compact dome
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o tru ty!

merry musk
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Update haven't rolled on Arch yet so I don't know how it looks on desktop. I hope it's better than on phone, not a fan at all for now

gusty portal
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not sure if it's my phone or what, but the thread scrolling literally doesn't work. so it's only possible to select the current most ~5 threads on the top

wind shale
crude vector
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get it?

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bc ego

wind shale
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ye id actually love it

crude vector
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im pretty sure thatd be my special hell

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im probably co dependent

errant tundra
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i think im like gay

wind shale
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same energy

unknown.png
wind shale
errant tundra
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no i'm pretty above earth

wind shale
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I struggle tbh

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I hate men

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((Mostly... Unless... 0o

errant tundra
wind shale
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🏳️‍🌈 ?

errant tundra
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🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍🌈 🏴‍☠️

wind shale
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pirate forum when

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ah, wow

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I remember a damning realization I had/have

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Pirate Ships are pretty much Egoist Unions

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Really

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(I fucking love pirates

crude vector
wind shale
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yes i am aware?

crude vector
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usually derogatory but if you got the pass then it’s different ofc

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oh you put a ?

errant tundra
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GaaS (gay as a service)

crude vector
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LMAO

wind shale
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the "🏳️‍🌈 ?" expression is a meme as well, often paired with "pass stare" or "gay-radar" types

errant tundra
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if I stop paying i become straight again wojpixel

crude vector
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ohhhh*

wind shale
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Gay For Free For All

gleaming oyster
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I once co-adminned with an egoist lutheran who basically filibustered me off the page.

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Man those were quite the extrapolations. I miss em.

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They were highkey highly heretical but I don't think they could see it through their confirmation bias lmao

errant tundra
gleaming oyster
wind shale
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God's Light can be blinding too

vestal rivet
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I'm actually starting to realize this is better in some ways for the interweaving parallel conversations we tend to have which is sort of interesting

hollow meadow
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good, the experiment is working

wind shale
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"interweaving parallel conversations"

errant tundra
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lelw

cedar flint
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still just waiitng for channels to come back

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this format only works for certain things

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when everything is a thread, everything has to be hyper-directed

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like why

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i just want to post something and see where it goes

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and im tempted to make threads representing certain topics, but then im just like... ok thats a channel

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i have no clue why it was necessary to completely uplift channels

errant tundra
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just as happens in image boards (essentially temporary forums), threads arise with directed topics, in that case one requires the creation of "x general" to talk about x topics in a more casual or general manner

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which yeah, it is circling back to channels as they were

crude vector
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So how about both

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philosophy general with a secondary channel with philosophy forum style threads too

hollow meadow
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one of my metrics for whether the forum testing has run its course is whether @cedar flint spots any cool uses for forum channels

hollow meadow
hollow meadow
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we should collect the cool ideas we had about the forum feature into one channel and have one last discussion about them

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perhaps as threads

cedar flint
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i do see cool uses for them... in a world where they and channels coexist

crude vector
gleaming oyster
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But that idea REQUIRES channels to work.

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Idk if we can tie in forums somehow or not, maybe for more private issues of topic concerning metagaming the debate idk

hollow meadow
gleaming oyster
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Yep.

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Thats what I said day 1 of forums.

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Hour 1, actually.

hollow meadow
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yea good

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i wonder which ones tho

gleaming oyster
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General stuff

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Easy to compartmentalize.

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Subgrade.

hollow meadow
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things that benefit from being divided up clearly from the start

gleaming oyster
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Yeah. Cause you can host lil blurb forums in a channel

hollow meadow
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also things that benefit from focused chatter that won't get lost

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yaya

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i like the little "OP" tag too

gleaming oyster
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Also, the idea that we need a room for dropping stuff in

hollow meadow
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people could set up lil labs where they do their own work

gleaming oyster
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Somone brought that up

hollow meadow
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whats that?

gleaming oyster
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Like "maybe check this out later idk" would be better for channels

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Forums are more realtime and based in surefire discussion

hollow meadow
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those would be better as forums actually

gleaming oyster
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Nah forums fade naturally

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I mean something you'd want someone seeing next week.

hollow meadow
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thats no prob, they dont get deleted

gleaming oyster
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Ah

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Nonissue then

hollow meadow
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we might benefit from a reminder bot though now that you mention it

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they can ping you in a channel at a set time

gleaming oyster
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That sounds useful for lil groups of people who know when theyre up/online, nice

hollow meadow
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ya

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im excited to try out the districts/huts/villages idea

gleaming oyster
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Would need a real team force to get it rolling but if we wall up, it can boost activity and a sense of belonging

hollow meadow
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it could be super fun and productive

gleaming oyster
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Yeah

hollow meadow
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fun and productive is the way to be

wind shale
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but like what are you thinking

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i actually think the actual "philosophy" section would be better as forums with a "general philosophy" thread or something, and then all be wilding in their own spirals and web-weaving

hollow meadow
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im not actually sure yet so I'll have a proper think and also start rolling out some of the old channels either as they were or as a forum

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i think they are two separate ideas we shouldn't lump into one

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too complicated

wind shale
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sure boss whatever ya say chief

errant tundra
hollow meadow
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blogging

errant tundra
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yeah

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essentially a pre-blog

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a look into the WIP

hollow meadow
errant tundra
hollow meadow
wind shale
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"quality time" q

crude vector
errant tundra
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don't read it, it will rip your soul out

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I think Capt is working on something AI/ML/NN so it's some very strong avanced math shit which is why it looks so strange to a fool like us

errant tundra
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"I'm working on implementing an algorithm from a paper called "Deep Unsupervised Learning using Nonequilibrium Thermodynamics" by Sohl-Dickstein et al"

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dick

frigid salmon
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i probably spend >50% of my research time trying to come up with the ultimate zinger for "Sohl-Dickstein"

cedar flint
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not as good as Cox-Zucker

frigid salmon
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Also regarding my thread, i'm enjoying having a little public repository, but i did notice that it ends up constantly occupying one of the top spots in the forum despite being filled with content that almost no one will engage with. if it gets annoying lmk and i'll stop posting and start yelling all this stuff out my window again

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it's less invasive than spamming a traditional channel, but it's still occupying limited resources (space at the top of the forum)

cedar flint
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wdym, who wouldnt engage w this

unknown.png
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(just kidding it's a valid thing to say and it's nice of you to be considerate)

merry musk
frigid salmon
crude vector
merry musk
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If I find interesting probas calculations on my way I'll tell you about it

errant tundra
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rdj this is a cutting edge discord on philosophy, memetics, comsputer science, etc.

crude vector
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idea

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can threads created be put into the feed forum style

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then we can browse as if its a forum

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maybe people will make more threads

hollow meadow
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i think you can see it by going into the active threads thing but it's annoying as hell to use

cedar flint
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ok it's been a week

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can we go back to normal now?

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channels are so much better

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we can decide what stuff we want to add as forums as well

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but i just want channels back bruh...

crude vector
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jk i think both is best

boreal stone
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personally, i would keep the forum section, under the condition that threads need to meet certain quality conditions: no gen chat, music-sharing, shitposting, etc. (low effort, short-form content) since there are channels for that already and allowing stuff like that would clog things up

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the forum format on its own is the worst

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but the old discord didn't have enough activity

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a hybrid model is probably the best for encouraging discussion while also maintaining cohesion

unique meadow
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I like how you can easily jump into and look back on one conversation at a time with this model

crude vector
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im more likely to jump threads

wind shale
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also metrics-wise id say most "average threads" generally cap at around ~100 ± 50 (see a lot of ~75--125 ando also many ~50--150) replies, very conveniently seems like normal distribution -- what i mean by average are threads were about half engagement is from OP

cedar flint
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i dont wanna make a thread for everything, a dedicated post to a given topic is much preferred imo

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but dedicated posts are just channels

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unless theyre hyperspecific

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/ warrant their own separate box

boreal stone
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that's why a hybrid model would be best

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long-form content is for threads

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then there are channels for general and/or lower quality things

crude vector
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the threads reign my weird brain in

crude vector
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the general threads and channel special interest is like the reverse of what I was hoping for hahaha oh well just glad to have a hybrid

hollow meadow
cedar flint
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OH comrade mikey said exactly what I was thinking but didn't say

crude vector
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oh i figured a shitposty channel general and threaded specific channels

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but i mean this is cool too

hollow meadow
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ok we try that in a week or so

cedar flint
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okay

gleaming oyster
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Alright

crude vector
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im just happy to be experimenting

cedar flint
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this isnt bad but it just seems like the academic ones should be the more focused ones XD

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like bro why is blogging a forum XDD

crude vector
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I love blogging being a forum kinda

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feels myspacey

cedar flint
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I agree tbh

crude vector
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like i can pop over and be like whats laura been up to today

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its recommendation media vs social media dilemma seong wrote about

cedar flint
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awe yeah I agree w that! :,) tbh I just liked the channel where the inner community chatted

gleaming oyster
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I hate myself so i cant start threads

cedar flint
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and the open general for ppl to come in and chat, but i'd be willing to part w that more so

crude vector
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ima draw this out gimme 30 minutes

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brb

crude vector
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something like this

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allowing both communal and personal spaces

cedar flint
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LMAO i just peeked in here to check

crude vector
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hahaha

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i had to finish the application first

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im allowing myself some goof off time before i begin the next

cedar flint
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that would be epic...

crude vector
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so glad

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i think maybe we can have fewer channels because it could bog down

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so maybe consolidate all OC

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consolidate special interest by discipline (stem, social science, humanities, recreation maybe)

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keep thread zones for each topic maybe?

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im brainstorming though feel free to uh narrow it

hollow meadow
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could put them into categories by topic

hollow meadow
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i wonder if we simply don't have the numbers for a lot of these cool ideas to be viable

hollow meadow
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ok how about this pipeline?

  • new channel ideas workshopped in forums
  • make into channel
  • split active channels by adding forum channel
  • cluster channels by theme over time
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i think i need to elect some chat designers

crude vector